 Welcome to Toffy TV and joined by John Blane, chairman of the shareholders association at Everton Football Club, Everton Business Matters podcast and regular on Toffy TV, although it hasn't been on for a few weeks. Never asked me. I want to talk about the manager situation obviously will be... Duncan. Duncan is the manager at the moment and we will speak about Duncan in great detail in a minute, but just with what's going on at the moment we'll be probably doing updates regularly till we get the new man in. But before we go on to any one candidate. Roedd y gallu gyd gyda'r cyfnog os y cyfnog chi yn grannu gwirionedd gyda'r cyfnogaeth o'r cyfnog? Yn y cwm, wedi bod yn cyflogu cwm arall eveid i gyflogu'r cyfnog yma, ac mae'r cyfnog yn gyfrannu gyrddol. Roedd y gallu'r cyfnog yma, o ddim yn rhywbeth pan oedd hefyd i gyd yn y cyfnog yn cyfnod oedd o'r cyfnog o'r cyfnog o'r cyfnog? Beth yw'r cyfnod o'r gyfnog o'r cyfnog arall? er mwyn y cynllun yn hyrch yn fawr. Ty, mae'r byd yn yr oed yn social medio. Mae'r rhai bod yn ni wedi'w'n gwybod, lawer, sy'n ddiolch yn ei gweld yn argrif, oedd yma am y bydd ddiffwn i chi. Doedd yn ni yn rhan o'r brans ar y byd. Felly mae'n cael druk. Rhyw meddwl i'r gwahanol, ac rydyn ni'n gallu meddwl i chi am dod nad oedd gyda ei bod yn ei hunain o bobl ar hyn arian. Mae'n cael ei wneud, mae'r cyffredinol e fobyddol i'r arsyng. i'w ffrifio ffordd i'r llunio. Mae'n gwybod i'w sgai beth. Felly, mae'r ffordd o'r ffordd, mae'r ffordd o'i ffordd, bydwch, mae'r ffordd o'i ffordd. Felly, rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r ffordd, a'r meddwl i'r meddwl i'r ffordd o'i meddwl i'u meddwl, i'w ddiadau i chi ddlef yn gweithio. A'r ffordd e'n mynd i'r cyffredinol, mae'n meddwl i'r cyffredinol, Allaeth ymddian nhw'n cydwyr a ddod o'r ffordd ymlaen iawn i'w ffordd y bydd yma. Ond ydych chi gen i'ch gweithio'r llwyddo, roedd cyflawn yn fawr yn rhoi'r plan. Mae'r ddysgu'n ffordd. A mynd i chi'n gwybod o'r pwghaffaethau, ddod o'r pwghafffwyr a'r pwghafffyr i'r pwghafffyr. Rwy'n meddwl am flwyddyn. Mae'r ffordd yn rhaid. Felly, mae'r ffordd yn y pwghafffyr. ac ydy Gwynedd, maeeth chi'n gwybod a'r llwg i'r gwasanaeth, nid ydyp yn gwybod yr un sgol yw yn ddigid. Llewn i gyd ddweud ond mae'r ffordd yn ei chyfeidio gyrdennu ei ddweud yn ei ddiwethaf. Felly mae'r ymdau yn eu gyrdwys bai fel i fod yn ein gyrdwys. Mae'n hyn y gallodol rhai nad yna'n gwybod am y gallwch gynhyrchu pedfyn yn rhan, hanes hynny'n cael ei sylwyddiant, rhan o herfodd yma'r hyn uchydigiau am ymgyrchentachol a fydd. A dwi'n ffordd, a chos Mashiri yn ymdweud â'r ddweud, rwy'n meddwl. Rwy'n meddwl, Mr Brands yn ymdweud i chi. Rwy'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl. A'r ddweud yn mynd i'r Mashiri yn ymdweud. Ond yw'r gweithio'r gwaith, mae'n golygu'n gweithio'r Mashiri, yna. Felly mae'n gweithio'r gweithio. Felly mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r proses. Felly rwy'n gweithio'n goli tytu ma gwaithau'r gweithio. A i bluetooth hyn'n gallu amser ma lang. A- Grow, 0 theyf ddech twins ironically The job he does, and people are like wow, Eat to go back, and some people will go know the passion and I'm like it could be another club but you'll never know what kind of person you are. But then on Saturday when I was on my way to the match I realised it was there,...it wasn't it, big man was there so he was in charge. He's the manager, he's there to be shot at. Yn dyna f burial mewn commercially new y dyna, he put himself there to be shot at. Mae'r ddawyddiad, mae'n cael i sânch i, hwn na f Georgi cornu. Ond nid ddweud equity eraill, dyna'n gyfrans amddangos Leri i mi yn rhan fydd, a wedi cael ei sânch yn gwneud i gyd ac rydyn ni wedi'i eu penderfyn i. Mae'n ddweud i ddweud i ddweudio'n gair hefyd i Leryeong. Mae'n ddiad i ddweud i awr cael ei maen nhw, dwi ddweud i ddweudio ei ddweudio'n ddweud i ddweudio. Yn fyddio'r Coating yna maen nhw i'n gwybod i mewn. ..on the way to the match. Everything is here now. There's a question. It's not theoretical anymore, it's reality. So, there's a question for you. What? You see his team. What's your first reaction? I'll be honest, I've seen Schneidlen and Sigurdflen, I've seen him centre the park and I went dunk! What are ya doing? But everyone must have had the same feeling. For me, I can, Schneidlen's a good player if this set up. Is alright with it. Is alright with it. He's in front of him and it's a bit like Michael Keane. .. sought it home, but if it's all in front of a meal, when all the head is and stuff like that. Sigurdtson I just didn't believe it should have been anywhere near the team. So like you, what? Have you seen the tea? You're old you bet. But you disappointed with that. You've got the people who wanted more is keen to start. And then you go, oh, I'm going to me. Oh, it's a Steclaenberg. There's, you know, little things. Some little change. So he's a product in some respects. Duncan of the managers he's played with as much as the ones he's coached. dwi'n ddweud, dwi'n ddaw ymwysau David, y cyfnodd, eich cyfnodd ymwysau, rwy'n ddweud i'r byddau, dwi'n ddweud i'r byddau, dwi'n ddweud i'r byddau. Fe oeddwn i'r ddweud o'r ddweud, oherwydd mae'n ddweud yn dweud. Mae ydych chi'n gwybod, sy'n ddweud o'r stasiwn o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Felly, Tom rwy'n ddweud. ..y'r ystafell ar gyfer y cyfnod, a'i dod i'r Cyfysgol. Yn gwybod, ond hefyd, mae'n gwybod fyddwn ar y le. Ar y gweithio gynhyrchu, ychydig fod yn fwy gwybod. Yn ymweld, mae'n fynd i'r cyfysgol gyda'u tynnu. Ynna fyddai'n byw o'ch cyfysgol cysylltu'n gwybod. Yn gwybod, mae'n gweld o'r cyfysgol yn cysylltu'n gwybod.. ..y'r cyfysgol? Ac rwy'n gwybod, mae'n gwneud o'r cyfysylltu. y bwysig yn gallu i'r pwysig? Felly mae gennym i'r rhaglen. Felly mae gennym i'r rhaglen. Mae hi'n credu i'r ffórmau i gael! Ac nid i'r ffrindiau'r rheiniol. Felly mae gennym i'r rhai gael. Mae'n rhai gael i'r fanau i ddweudio. Ac mae'r ddunkan eich ddweudio'r gweithio. Mae'n ddyn nhw'n gael i gael gyda baen. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r ffordd i'r mirinio o clarp, rhan o'r ddau. y gallwn ei gwaith o'r cyfrifiadau o'r ystod, a wedi bod yn dweud i'r cyfrifiadau. Felly maeen o'r cyfrifiadau i'r byw, a'r byw'r byw'r byw yn fwyaf. Mae'n dweud i'r bod yn siaradau i'r cyfrifiadau i'r byw. A'r cyfrifiadau, y gallwn yn gweithio'r gwrdd. Mae mewn gwirStart y gall, mae'n bwysig, gan y Laddd yn cyfrifiadau, byddwn i'n bwysig o'r ddechrau yn gyfrifiadau a'r ysbyt yn ei ddweud. SR Etnidegaeth Addodd, ac oes ble iawn? Mae'n rôl, gyda cores insultwyd callur ac mae refined yn y examen. Yr regon Elidgan-ŵreon yn b Perdog. Mae nu i ni sylfa ar ôl时. Mae wneud ar dros oes, oes peirion eha, ac mae yn lle oedd yn falch unig ar wneud. Ac roeddwn i ddechrau'r cwmaint o'r pwysig yn fy modd. Mae'n gwaith a ddim yn rhan o'r cyffin iawn. Rwyf yn cael ei wneud yn digwydd i'w wneud yn rhan a fan i dda. A dda nhw'n iawn am eich bod الfant. Rwyf wedi bod yn dal yn y cwmaint cyffin eu mewn cwmaint. Rwyf wedi bod yn y cwmaint, a i dda yn y cwmaint. Ond yna wedi bod yn troi, os ond roedd chi'n yn edrych. Mae'r cwmaint ar y cyffin iawn ar y cyffin iawn. Ond mae'n ddweud am wych. I ddim i'n enwedig i ddim i ddim yn ei ddweud yma, mae'n ddweud eich bod yn ei ddweud o'r dweud. Fe'n ddweud o'r ddweud, byddwn yn ei ddweud. A oes ydych chi'n ganddol yn ddweud? A oes ydych chi'n ganddol yn ddweud? Ac mae'n ddweud o'n ganddol yn ddweud, yn yr 0, ac mae'n ddweud i'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Prifoddau iawn yn ddweud, Felly, rydw i wedi bod e'n ddod i chi'n gwneud o'r cymdeitio, oedd e'n ddysgu, oedd e'n ddysgu. Felly, ym gynghreifft yn ei ddweud oherwydd yn ei ddweud oherwydd. Ond yna, mae'n gwybod. Mae'n ddod i'n ddweud? Mae'n ddweud oherwydd yn ei ddweud oherwydd. Mae e'n ddweud. Mae e'n ddweud oherwydd yn y llag o'r cyfnod a'n gweithio'r cyflwyno. Yn cydedeb, mae'n ei ddweud oherwydd yn 48 gyrnod. lyei eich ardal a oedd unrhyw go ond iawn. Brindwch, mae 36 yr ystyried. Mae'n rhan iawn, roedd y ddweud yn y casg. Ynw'n mor elsod, mae'n rhan i. Mae'n enw. Mae drwsio arall. Ma'r ysgol adnad. Mae'n gweithio i'r ffb Llyw. Mwneud am unrhyw'r unrhyw arall. Mae'r tyw arddangos iawn yn rhan i ddechrau. Mae'n gweld iddw i'r cyflwyno iddynt. Dwi'n rhoi radi weithio arall. Mae'n gwneud am Cyflydd. o'r rhwng yw, dyna yw gwrs ar ein bwysig, neu fel yw'r rhwng yw. Ond mae'n bwysig i'n bwysig i'r rhwng yn ei oedd hyn, a'r rhwng yn bwysig fel yw gynnig. Wrth gwrs mae'n dweud yw'r argyflwyneu, mae'n oes i'r bwysig o bwysig, ac mae'n dweud i ddweud yw'r awgau, mae'n dweud yn holl yng Nghymru. Mae'n dweud i'r llwydd. A oedd yn ddweud, mae'n dweud. Mae'n dweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Ac wedi bod ydych chi'n dod i'n gwybodaeth, byddwn i chi, roi'n gwybodaeth nhw. Ac mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r ffordd o y bwysig. Mae'n gweithio'r blaen o'r rhain. Ac mae'n gweithio'r blaen o'r blaen, mae'n gweithio'r blaen o'r blaen. Ym ymgyrch yn rhoi'r blaen yn Llesbyn, rwy'n ei wneud y ddod i'r ffordd o ddefnyddio'r blaen. Mae'n mynd i'n ddigonio. Mae'r ddod i'ch ei gwybod i'n ddod. fel ddeallu drafodaeth i'r Llywodraeth, ond byddwn i'r lleidol eraill a'r bobl yn ymgyrch mwyn iawn. Ond o'r bydd yna i angen mwy o'r ymgyrch. Ond cael weithio'n bwyd yn erbyn yn gynu'r gweithio. Credu fod hynny'n ddiw i fynd i'n ei ddweud... ... mae'n gyd yn dystod i wneud. Mae'r gwlai yn ni'n meddwl, fe wnaeth â'r hollwch yn 36 oed. Felly mae'n ddwy o'r modd agarod yn eu drannol wedi'u i hyn. I must have been high as a kite till the early hours of Sunday morning and then wiped out when the adrenaline pump got turned off. It must have been. Well, he did a bit of big fun, but it was like a shame. He's tremendous. He stood up on the fact that... He's proved himself, hasn't he? He proved himself. Without a shadow, he's proved himself. And what he did do, certainly for... I mean, me and Peds said this and loads of comments, we had thousands of comments about it. He gave us everything back, didn't he? That, to me, felt like everything used to be. In fact, the way everyone was in it together for a win. You know, we've had good days and good performances under other managers. We've won really good games, but the crowd was buzzing. Everyone was bouncing. We had a big win over the team. He was doing well and we haven't been doing well. And it just felt a bit more like everything to me. We were up when I written. I think it probably showed maybe far-ad-mashiri and maybe Marcel Brans, people who might have experienced that kind of win. Well, he's probably given Mashiri a problem. Cos I would imagine, you know, we've sacked silver. So a load of Portuguese guys have gone, okay? So... And it was interesting around the timing of, you know, Richard, Alison and Extension and all that sort of stuff. But I'm sure Mashiri and Bill were sitting in the stands, you know, when Denise was there when she and Brans and the others and Sasha will be around as well. And they're thinking, right, okay, we've put Duncan in perhaps in a way because there's no one else, that type of thing. Because Unsworth had it last time and didn't do it this time. So Duncan's the man. But it's a free hit because there's no expectation. And we're going to put in new manager next week. Yeah, yeah. Cos they must have some things in train. And then he does that. And Mashiri, I remember speaking to Mashiri and the first time I met him, he talked about he's never experienced the atmosphere that you have at Goddison. Cos he'd come from the Emirates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a bit, you know. And it's gone up another level. Cos, I mean, we're talking on our podcast today and I think Paul was saying, you know, that's the best atmosphere since Chelsea's day, you know, in the FA Cup. And it's funny that they're both Chelsea's, I think. But this was different level altogether because it wasn't just the fans getting behind the team as fans. There was a, you know, a palpable. We're all in this together. You talk about stewards. You can imagine, I don't know, people in the lounges, the servers, chefs, security men, whatever, whatever, whatever. All have been massively beaming grins on their face and players as well. Simply cos this guy just, it was a fan being the manager. Yeah, that's what I felt like most. It meant so much to him to, I guess, to have the chance to actually be announced as the manager and stand on that touchline in that little box with his suit on, you know, and still having the bloody sweatband and all that. And then he's just so hyper. But he'd done the hard yards in a short amount of time. He must have done because they were invigorated. Now, if it was a flash in the pan, and you can't repeat that, then we've still got that memory. But to me, he's proven, he's much more than a man who puts out the cones. Now, the pros knew that anyway. Yeah, of course. I mean, I was listening to Five Lives last night before the Champions League and the one with Kelly Cates on it. And I don't know who else was in the studio, but Pat Nevin was there and Nevin was telling stories from the old days when he played with Duncan for Scotland and stuff. But he was saying, you know, the perception of the man is 20 years out of date. And he is, isn't he? He's a quiet, reserved sort of guy. He's thoughtful. Nevin was talking about him being both tactically and technically really good. And this is Nevin. And I have a similar conversation with Neves Southall, actually, in the Winslow. And the same sort of thing, but he's not been given the chance. You know, this last manager clearly made it a mistake and not embracing that and using that to fuel things and all that kind of stuff. And he's had the chance now and he's bloody nailed it, you know? So he's going nowhere, is he? No. So whoever comes in, it's just what role does Duncan have and you've got to use it because whoever comes in will have seen that. They'll have seen that passion. They can look at his CV with all these UEFA badges and all that sort of stuff, none of which Franny's got or Tim Cale's got or whoever, whoever who were at the club at the moment. And he's got all the official stuff that says he can do it. The highest coach and bad team. And now he's done it in the Premier League against a rising managerial star in Lampard and looked like he's worlded for an apartment when he was interviewed after the game. And it's always refreshing when a club plays Everton and they talk about all the mistakes they made and how they couldn't stand up to this and we were just not on our get... We didn't let you play. Yeah, that's the whole thing about it. You know, they've got talented players and United have got talented players, but our away fans will be terrific on Sunday, just like the home fans were last week. And I know we've got a number of injuries and stuff, but if they're put in the same amount of effort, we will put, you know, man United under pressure and we'll take chances. You know, and I was at the City game, you know, last week and that was more to... because I went straight from Everton's game to City's game. OK. Because my mate had a spare. That was as much how poor City were at the back of me than United were fabulous. I think... So let's do it again. In some respects, though, for Sunday, regardless of the results. It's a free hit, man. It's a free hit. We've got injuries, we've won the home game and whoever was in charge at this weekend, it'd be a big ask because just because we are carrying, we don't know whether well cut's going to be fit, we don't know whether yeti mean is going to be fit and how Mason Holgate wanted to come off at the weekend, cos he was carrying a knock. You know, we could be three or four. Luke Aden. Luke Aden went off with a groin. The bands he dropped in. So no, no, but what I mean is, we're not going to have our first-year team, so what we have to do is, but if Everton go there and put the same amount of effort in and have a right good go, I think people will go, well, yeah, fair enough with that. And earn the right to play off as well. Because Duncan has, for me, Sunday is neither here nor there because if he's in charge for Leicester Arsenal and Burnley, which I'm not sure he will be because they might have a new manager in by them, but if he's in charge for them, they have to be backing us over them because of the way he is, because of the way he gets gooders and bouncing. But like you say, whoever comes in, I think Pearson needs to be the assistant manager. But let's move on to just a couple of names who are out there. Carla Wanchillotty. Brilliant CV. Three times Champions League when the championship, four times in other countries and, you know, being around for whatever. Get sacked a lot. Whatever. It does. But, you know, he's had some, basically he's managed some of the biggest clubs in the world. Won the Premier League, of course, with Chelsea as well. So he's got experience here. What are your initial thoughts about Carla Wanchillotty? My initial thought, in fact, while you were talking, is it's the sort of manager that Fahad Maishiri would like, which is, you know, it's a bit like when you invest in stocks and shares, you know, the value of your investment may go up, but it may go down as well. You know, and catching a manager like that who's on the downslopes, cos he is, you know, going to Napoli was not the same, you know, and there's something going on there about why they've dismissed him, I suppose. But what is the last three? Real Madrid, isn't it? Real Madrid, by Muno. By Muno. The players went on strike effectively, didn't they? But apparently when Paul Clement left, wasn't he? I haven't read too much into it. So then you're into, he's a more old-style manager who's about managing, and he needs good coaching people as well. So your argument of, well, Angelotti and Duncan Ferguson might work, something. But do you not be good, if it was that, if Everton, cos he, don't forget he inherited Paul Clement, then he took him everywhere, but because he was impressed with him. If that was Angelotti and Duncan, would that not be good for Duncan's development, though, to lay him off a manager like that? I think Duncan's probably laying to hell of a lot, cos he's worked with quite a number of managers in a relatively short period of time recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't remember from your interview whether you talked about Allardyce, but, you know... He talked about it. You know, we raised at Allardyce as being, you know, you forget the playing style, but as a man and how he... Well, he reshed the... He works with people, and he technically knows his stuff. He just chooses to play the wrong way, as far as people like us are concerned. Angelotti, I don't get hugely excited, I suppose, is the answer, right, to be honest. Yeah, that's fine. I'm not going to lose any sleep or point him. What I would think, though, is if we suddenly wake up tomorrow and Angelotti signed a three-and-a-half-year deal with Everton, my subconscious view is that just means the cost of getting rid of him is going to be even higher than it's been for the ones we've been burning recently. He's got a great CV. The last three jobs is when percentage has gone down. He's been sacked from all of them. So are we catching him at the right man at the wrong time? Is when percentage is still quite high, though? Well, it will be the clubs he's been at. Even at Napoli, though, Napoli's 60%. Yeah, but the clubs he's at, yeah. But anyway, I think his best days are behind him. But again, that might be he's a well-respected coach, good reputation, and he could work with a younger coach, like Duncan, and hook up people around him. Tim Kale as well. And I don't know if he comes with an entourage, and like Silver and others, they bring it all, the usual backroom boys. I think it would be interesting to give him a point of manager, which might be consistent with the director of football model, which is just the manager comes. And we put the backroom in. Because our continuity is going to come from the backroom staff, really. Well, I think that's how it has to go. Hence why I believe that we should be groomed and Duncan to be the next manager after this. Give him the opportunity, absolutely. Definitely. Yeah, to prove himself if he comes to a fair, you know? I mean, I would think personally, minimally. I mean, he's first team coach right now, or he was until Silver got sacked. Well, whoever comes has to use him as a first team coach. Well, have to use him, let him. Yeah, so he has to take sessions, he has to do this, do that, do the other. Not just big, the co-man. Yeah. And I don't think it depends on what happens Sunday, I suppose, because fans can be fickle. But I think he's already done enough to prove that he could be on that journey with either a, I don't know, a first assistant or a second assistant. I mean, it's like bloody directors, isn't it? But basically, close to the people who would decide how are we going to play, you know? Being him, having an input into that. Having an input, and if the manager doesn't like it, he tells him. But not having this, you know, all the Portuguese guys are over there having a chat and the one English guy or Scottish guy is over, God, it killed me, wasn't he? The one Scottish guy is over here going, you know, no one's listening. Well, no one's even asking. Well, take an anti-lottie aside then just very quickly. Is there anybody else's name you've seen mentioned who you think? I wouldn't mind him, actually, because there's not many outstanding candidates and there never will be in mid-season, but not many people grab me. Those ones that you might want aren't available, are they? No, so I've done much. So of those mentioned, and almost asking for the job on TV, and Benitez, for example, I don't think many fans would have an issue notwithstanding the previous places he's managed with him. I don't think he personally would have an issue, he could have been hated more than he was at Chelsea, could he? No, not at all. But also you have to look at, and I was rereading Socronomics' book, and there it is in black and white, his legacy at their place was saved by that Champions League thing, where they hadn't got a good return on the money spent and all that sort of stuff, and they hadn't really performed in the league and then they'd go and win the CL. But that doesn't matter, because our director of football does that here. So you're back into, if the model is established, then we should be following it. Which means the man who's designed on the next manager is not far ahead, Mishiri. You're kind of pointing without him being happy. No, of course. It's Marcel Brands, and I think at the moment... So he's a younger model then, isn't he? You would think so. So there may be... Maybe they'll distill it down to a couple of choices, where one is, maybe it's an enchilote, an experience, track record manager, or the next thing, really. But it's got to be someone who's earned the right. Let me throw two names at you. Feel free. Both with Everton Connections, and let me know how you feel on both of them. Michael Arteta. He'd qualify as that next big thing, wouldn't he? Look at the chooser he's had. Everyone's talking about him, in the sense of Arsenal might want him, and all that sort of stuff. If it's in with Brands as Model. Him and Duncan, to me, could be a really good partnership. And Cale would be in as well. Michael Arteta. If you're going to take a chance, on a so-called unproven manager, like Silver, for example, would you prefer to take a chance with someone who the fan base adore? Predominantly adore. I have issues with how Arteta left and stuff like that. But he's a different man now, I would think. And if you watch that, he's clearly a good confidant to Pep. Pep himself might be ready for moves and stuff like that. I think if the club were to appoint him, then the fan base are going to melt down for a while, wouldn't it? But it would be a risk. Watch the art just very quickly for us to give you the second name. Watch the difference between him and Duncan Faggin. Cos when people throw Arteta at me, I always go, is he any better than Duncan? He's sat next to Pep Guardiola as an assistant manager in the Premier League for a couple of years. He's had the opportunity that Duncan's not had. If Duncan had been sat next to Silver for the last 18 months, or the other manager before that, and he's been the one saying, I think we need to do that, as Miquel Arteta does, then you might have some probably not. But we wouldn't be in this situation if that had been happening, cos we might have said already, natural, or assistant manager. And the other name, David Moyes, it's one that continues to do the round. Talk to the hand. What I mean is he's been the favourite, and then he's dropped, and he's been a favourite, and then he's dropped. Where do you think this has come from? I've seen people on social media, I've seen journalists who aren't well connected with Evan, saying that it's Bill Kenright pushing David Moyes. You're the chairman of the shareholders. What's your opinion on that? Cos I know that you've spoken to Bill in the past about David Moyes. I just do not believe that Bill is pushing David Moyes at all. It hasn't come from because for whatever anyone thinks about Bill, right, he's old school. And I've been in Bill's office when David Moyes has rang up. And there's no doubt they have a great relationship. There's no doubt that Bill, probably in Bill's style, loves him and all that good stuff. But Bill also knows he's the wrong man for the job and therefore wouldn't be pushing it. Do you've shared that opinion, do you think he's the wrong man for the job? Absolutely, don't you? I don't know, it's the real answer. Have I asked you a week ago, you decided we need somebody, won't you? Again? Has Ferguson changed you? Ironically, the way Duncan did that at the weekend was made David Moyes seem more appealing. More? And I'll tell you why. Only slightly more appealing. But what I mean is it reminded me of that being a... because what David Moyes did do very well for all of his faults was he was able to get everybody on the same page at that period of time, wasn't he? He produced good sides with very little money and there was a lot of steel about his teams and there was a lot of steel on Saturday and there was a motive. All on Moyes was known to run up and down and jump around. So I suppose it just gave me that feeling again of well at least I know every one of them walk off that pitch giving everything. So that's why, but I accept everybody's reservations, times gone on. I didn't like the way he left the club. I didn't like the... I didn't have any issue with the way he left the club. I felt it was the right time for him to go. I didn't have an issue at the time. The way he did it. He kept a bird in the hand. He knew he was going and he was still telling people publicly I'll decide at the end of the season when he'd already decided. But the thing that really got me was the bains and filet and stuff. If you just pay the right money. The knife for a gun fight. The knife for a gun fight was big in himself. Everton fans are disgusting. But we did hammer him. Well listen, I'm not the fender. I'm just saying. I'm saying that's what happened then. It's history. He's been gone six years. Not just he has changed because he's had a number of serial failures since then. But our football clubs changed. Still madly got the best win ratio since Alex Ferguson. Which is mad. But the clubs changed. He had for 10 or 11 years a chairman who gave him everything he wanted. He was the most powerful man at the club. And a bit more probably. He ran the place top to bottom. Now he'd just be the manager. And come on, there isn't a massive queue of companies of businesses. Football clubs lining up to appointing. As long as he'd been out of work now. And we'd get Alan Irving and all that sort of stuff. And he'd be, oh we're getting the band together. And all that sort of stuff. And he's not it. He is just not it. Now it would be an indictment if we end up appointing him. Cos it means we've paled on every avenue. And we're not prepared to take a risk with someone like Duncan Ferguson. That's what it would be if he ends up getting appointed wasn't it? That's fair enough. But he's sitting by the phone isn't he? At least probably waiting. And I suppose you're waiting for people to check off the list aren't you? But I suppose the interesting thing just finally there was that report the other day that Bill Kenright wants one man. He wants another. Farad Masheery wants another. Which doesn't come across great if our board's split. Do you believe that's the case? Or do you just think or do you want to think that they're methodically going about this process? Or do you actually believe that there's three of them over split? Okay, there's four on the board. So Rhyslan said he doesn't have the view apparently cos he never gets a mention does he? You just have to Is Marcel Brands professional? Yeah. They pay him a lot of money. Him and Bill get on really well. So why would they be at odds with each other? Denise perhaps of the three has least input you would imagine. And meanwhile you've got a bit of off the wall character who happens to own the football. Who will have his own views. So it would not at all surprise me if Farad Masheery was running his own pattern of let's be dismissive sorry Farad. Cos he does watch. He's off looking for his Hollywood name and probably Bill and Brands with a bit of Denise and a bit of Sasha doing what kind of play, what kind of manager do we want, what stage of the career do we want them to be in and so on and so forth. And so that might distill down to those two managers or maybe three whatever it is where we have to you've come up with the names from different roots Farad wants some guy he's seen some day in the past who's had a chat with on his yacht and seems like a nice man and all that. And Brands will have his very structured methodical we're thinking of the project sort of thing. In that sort of dialogue Moise can't possibly appear on his thing. But if Farad insists on somebody and Brands says over my dead body and compromise kicks in you can end up with a left field candidate can't you? But it's when Cos the games are going to come reasonably quickly now. We've got three and six days so that there's almost not a good time to drop a new manager and is there? No, because I suppose the biggest break we've got is between the Arsenal game and Boxing Day but then you've got Christmas. So I suppose we've got United Sunday Lester Wednesday I've got to say is a Tuesday or Wednesday I can't remember what the day was. So we have to have the managers don't want to do two games and that's all he's going to do. The manager needs to be ready to go. Yeah this week sort of thing and perhaps I don't know Cos Allardyce got to sit in the stands didn't he? Well I was going to say I suppose me just off the top on the head thinks if we're going to appoint someone maybe he'll be in the stands for the Lester games so Duncan will still have Lester City in the corp as well and then that manager and that's where I was going that Duncan might have two more games but get harder after that to when to drop him in and then really I think it's the 26th and I think it's the 28th Newcastle so a couple of days off the box and then we've got City and then we've got the Derby in the corp so it's like six or seven games. First Derby went for a long time that's going to be isn't it? Well great for the new manager and big Duncan jumping down the touchline and I'm filled with the victory of the year. Can you imagine Duncan as the manager I'm filled there? I'm winning him and clop. I honestly think at some stage he could be like a clop to us in terms of not the same but that passion that he brings and the love which it is of the football club and understanding what we want as fans which I think Duncan's got more than. That's got to stay close to the players. It's easy to say the players responded after the Derby defeat but they haven't responded like that at any other defeat so I sort of get... The stuff right now must be really interesting because you know undoubtedly I guess just because of his availability and if a billionaire says do you fancy a coffee then Mr Ancelotti will go and have a coffee won't he? But you know he might rather fancy Arsenal so we'll play that game of being a stalker knows and getting one set off against the other and all those sorts of things but when it comes to it they have got to they have to end up in a situation with a new manager who knows for sure that Ferguson has got to be close and active with the first team so a real first team coach who's involved in stuff and maybe even a glorious you know whether Duncan wants it or not but a glorious assistant management type thing but being right at the centre of it all because the players love it and a team like that rubs off you know and he will have coached some of our younger players when they were coming through the ranks as well you know your DCLs and Tom Davis Mason and John Joe all those guys so he's just he's earned the right to be treated properly I think Perth always says it about inspiring being able to inspire and I think we saw that he was able to inspire people who had been very uninspired unless we honest the season and he done that in 36 it was one game but it was no one can ever take that away from him or us we had that game his first game against the top four side and we beat them three so that's that for me is why the fans count as well the fans massively the fans count were amazing if you're going to away like I go to away games and stuff and you see as I have seen Sigurds are not turned up for four games in a row when he still gets picked your confidence falls off as soon as you see the team now when we saw it the weekend with Albert Duncan and now we've seen so certainly there's no what I don't expect anyway but there's no negative side to our fans going to Old Trafford the media will talk them up because they've beaten recently but our performance against Leicester was okay the shite one was just that and then we've done Chelsea up until recently have been on a really good run so free hit it is a free hit a free hit for everyone but don't turn that into a defeatist thing and Duncan can't we go, have a go and see what happens and then get ready for Leicester and if we have got those injuries then that makes it even more difficult but then it gives other people an opportunity there's nothing to go and put yourself about it and put yourself in the manager's eyes but like I say I'm going to finish by saying he's done more than enough in my opinion through the assistant manager's job and I think if he was the assistant manager with a Carlo Ancelotti or even if it turned out to be Michael Arteta and you're uniting a fan base as well because you're having that there they can see him, he's allowed to get up and physically do what he was doing the other day and no manager's going to be looking going what are you doing, sit back down kind of thing and I think that helps both of us but very very interesting it's going to be interesting time to have we're back being optimistic Evertownians again we are, change the perception in 36 hours it's all good big thanks to John for joining me we'll be updating as and when if there is anything to update I'm sure it may have changed again tomorrow it might be Chris Wilder by tomorrow, who knows make sure you subscribe give the video a thumbs up join us on Patreon if you want more videos don't forget to check the link in the description if you want anything from our shop or if you're buying anything from Evertown Direct like this lovely train and stuff the link in the description is there that I've currently sales on so if you get stuff for Christmas click that we get a couple of pens but you save money so there you go, thanks for watching see you later