 Oh, wow, new stream. Oh, MoDog. Brand new beginning of the stream. Hello, everyone. We just got here. It's our first stream of the day. Nothing happened before this. No, sir. Nothing has ever happened before. Oh, sorry, Bob. Well, this is the big bang, is it? This is the beginning of the universe. Well, this is the big bang. Well, this is the event that caused the universe. Ah, so MoDog precedes the big bang, is what you're saying. MoDog spoke the first words of existence. So is this 225 now? Did we go backwards in time? Is that what happened? Wait, who is it? Oh, is this supposed to be 226? I don't know. I was just asking. Don't confuse me right now. I'm sorry. Hold on. Oh, fuck. Looked like I already got a chat to fucking work. Thank you, YouTube. There you go. We just wanted us to show off our MoDogs. That's all. Yeah. Just wanted to show my MoDogs. So you need to fix that. I'm going to get the bread away. You have to change the dumbass URL every time you stream. That's kind of something I miss from Twitch chat. It's just the same from your channel. You don't need to change it every time. Wait, but it should be 225. No, we did 225. That was the one from last week. So it's 226. What was the one we did last week? It was the... Dude, look at the thumbnail. And the thumbnail says 226. It's 226. I ask again. What did we do last week? It was the re-upload. The catch-up. Oh, that's fine. Oh, wow. The visual in that is the Halloween. MoDogs not on a Halloween outfit. What do you mean? I think everybody should go to Halloween as MoDog. How do I get a... How would that even work? How would you make an inflatable sort of thing? Oh, yeah. The scale with your little body. Like your... Yeah, with your little arms and legs sticking out. Yeah, I guess you can do it like that. Like have a really big mechanic or suit and then have like just little legs. Or like a big inflatable... Yeah, exactly. But almost like you're on a blimp and your little arms and legs sticking out. I guess the difficulty is you would need to create some sort of like propulsion system to have it levitate, which that might be a bit of a challenge. Or you could just have somebody like flying up in a plane with some strings dangling out, you know, like a... You just need to make sure that the plane is coordinated to make sure that you can move around the party comfortably. And the house that you're going to doesn't have a roof, of course. Obviously. Okay. So Rags, do whatever it is you're up to. Before we started our stream, we were talking about whether or not Ant-Man Quantumania was... Or is this called Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania? I like how you call the Ant-Man Quantumania and highlights how like little wasp has like anything wrong. It has everything to do with the wasp. I was just asking, yeah. I paused because I was thinking, oh yeah, the second one was called Ant-Man and the Wasp. So is this one going back to that? Or is it going back to Ant-Man? No, it didn't. Cheers. So we were considering... Quantumania. We were talking about whether Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania was the most numbing of the MCU movies that we have seen. Yes. For some of us it seems to be. For a few of us it seemed as though this was like a particularly... You know how people will say they're not doing, but they usually being, you know, dramatic. It's like, no, this was a pretty... My mind felt numb when I laughed. Yeah. You walk away and your brain just doesn't seem to feel. You don't really have any thoughts maybe or you just don't care about anything or you're super apathetic. Yeah. I have had more with what kind of forever as well. With this one I just... I went on my little bicycle. It's a normal bicycle actually. It's not a little one. I don't know why I said that. I was like... I just started to think about the movies like oh, this is awful. This is bad. This is really stupid. Like I just started flooding my brain juices with all the things that are dumb. With Wakanda Forever it's like I just want to go home and go to bed. Yeah. I think for me it was Wakanda Forever with me as well. And I think it's because I had that really long middle section that I feel just absolutely just destroyed any sense of pacing or consequence where I feel as if this one at least seemed to keep me more engaged on just a purely visual way. But I would say that it probably is a very close second because Thor 11 Thunder made me angry so it wasn't humming. There's a little bit of that in this. We'll explain that. Yeah, a little bit. But for this one, this one was mostly just like colors, images, things. A retort I would have is I was quite bored watching Wakanda Forever and it was quite mind-numbing. I don't know, this one felt like hyper sludge. This one's got a lot of hallmarks that were hitting me and I was like ugh, this is fucking time. Maybe it could just be down to how we felt just us when we watched these movies. Well, not exactly, of course. Like that day I was just feeling kind of meh, so whatever. But I guess the point of the exercise is to highlight a certain sort of frame of mind one might leave a Marvel movie, like a current modern day produced Marvel movie. And it feels like there are many, many, many factors that explain why from writing to production like it's, I don't know, it's just like this sludge, like it really is. It's just a pipe and there's sludge just constantly coming out. And then what happened was it closed for a little bit and it's like ooh, phase five. Ain't that exciting, new sludge coming your way. And it opens just the same stuff. It's the same viscosity, same color, same odor. Just pumping out of that pipe. Oh, they definitely were like, this phase four to five, which previously was not at all the change over, this was just, this was clearly Facebook. But guys, things will change now even though all of the films that are coming out for the next like year and a half have already been shot and are already in post-production and were written a while ago, meaning that any changes that manifest in the way that Marvel makes movies won't appear for a while. You feel they might still be being written even in the post-production? That's true, that's true. That is very, very true. Who knows what kind of re-shoots they're going to be doing. Well, so we've got the genius behind this film and Michael Waldron are giving us the Avengers films, right? Yes, so this is the writer of this, the writer of this film did the Vat of Asset episode and now I'm left to think about what happened because Vat of Asset is one of the best episodes of Rick and Morty and this is, you know, and yeah, Michael Waldron is right in the secret horse. Man, Dan Harmon must be a good script editor. Maybe. I don't know, yeah. But I mean, look at this, this year, things are slowing down a bit. Stuff has been delayed. I think it's only confirmed that there will be two shows this year rather than like four or five like they've done for the last while. Disney, like we can only lose so much money, okay? Well, I mean, Marvel's been laid by like four or five months yesterday. It's meant to come out in July now. It's coming out in November. It's like everything's getting spread out to give them seemingly more runway for whatever's coming next, which probably a good idea. Yeah. I would imagine that Disney and Marvel are not happy about the feeling that they have to scale things back because it's less money. Potentially, maybe it's more money. Maybe each of the films make more money, but... I can't imagine the shows were making them a lot of money like because all they have is subscribers, not tickets. Well, clearly not if they lost the DeShed billions. They lost subscribers. They lost like two and a half million. That was in India though, wasn't it? Specifically that they lost them? Oh, it wasn't? Yeah, they lost like a deal with some company and loads of content was removed in India and India and like loads of their subscribers there left. I think it's the story. Well, I mean... But we think Indians are real people, Jay. So that's still pretty big loss. Pretty big loss. Well, I sorry, I didn't realize there was an SJW podcast. What kind of podcast? Oh, little digital. It stumbled right into our trap. Our Modoc trap. You saw the Modoc heads and you were like, oh, this has got to be an NSJW podcast on account of all the Modoc heads. Well, the thing is though, is that if the Marvel shows were getting them tons of subscribers, why wouldn't they try to keep up the pace? Yeah. You would. It's because they're probably not doing well enough to justify how much they cost. Yeah, it's okay. They can admit it now. Like it's all right. We all knew anyway that this was all a really bad experiment. Uh, yes. To rely maybe on the movies more so is becoming something of... I will be curious about the box office for this and certainly of the Marvels. I think it's already made a hundred million dollars this one on opening like a couple of days. That is to be expected, yes. That's going to be the interesting part. How many people come back? Because I don't know, man. Is anybody after watching this going, fuck, man. I got to go see it another time. That was crazy. And better yet, in a couple of years, like let's say even two or three years from now, who's going to go, man, I really want to rewatch Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantum Mania. Got to get that on Blu-ray and watch it. Yeah. Only people who are trying to collect all of them would do that. Then I can actually rewatch it. Like the M.C. movies like Pokeman. Well, I was going to say as well, these things, they really are becoming a matter of like we all get together and watch the new natural disaster happen. As in like you pull up some chairs and it's like there's a volcano this time, tsunami this time. It's actually just a huge asteroid. You're like, oh, wow. A chemical spill. Yeah, for example. Shitty trade tracks could lead to all kinds of results. It's kind of sad though. Like before there was like, oh, let's watch a new one, see how okay it might be and maybe get some good character stuff here and there. I was loving it one spot at a time. And now it's like, let's see how bad this one is going to be. Maybe there's some, it's a good scene. Like one. Well, I thought as per every one of these, like, I mean, you know, could surprise me. It really does feel like they're all in the exact same way. Really sad. One of the big broad problems I would talk about is like the whole volume screen thing. Nobody feels, you knew this from the trailers. Nobody feels like they're where they are. It's the, everything feels fake. Sorry here, because it's like this of all, you know, if you went to watch Ant-Man 1 you'd probably be like, oh, there's like a lot of like you're in a lot of real places right now. Like, you know, like you're actually outside in a backyard or, you know, you're actually out on the street somewhere. But because this film is taking place in the constant realm, it's like 90% of the shots are like some crazy CGI background. Yeah. Which isn't necessarily a problem. I mean, because like there are plenty of films that make it look like they're actually there, but not this one. I don't know. This is one of the fakest movies I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, the setting though is like such a bizarre place that's like there's no precedent for what it should look like. They had all the possibilities in the world available to them for, you know, aesthetic choices and this is what they went with. They just chose all of them. Yeah, kind of, yeah. Depending on what part of the realm they're in it's just completely different visuals. Like they just go to an artist and said, go nuts and they're like, okay, and they make crazy beautiful things and then they're like, what are you going to do with my work? And it's like, we're going to put it in the background somewhere. Yeah, so maybe they fly through it for a second. And then, yeah, you get what you get. Big shark boy and lava girl vibes in terms of the scenery. There have been comparisons to such things. Never. I think people may have seen this image. It's rather amusing. It's just the state of Marvel, you know. Oh, wow. Look at that. Never considered. I have MoDoc at home. But which one is MoDoc at home? I was about to say which one. Which one is the at home version of the other? Is it some fucking spy kids movie from 60 years ago? Or is it this multi-gajillion dollar massive DC production? Like, I don't know. There was no prep to be given for MoDoc that would work. This usually shows up. You're just like, what the fuck? It's fine. I should probably tell the story about the Randy's that sat next to me who talked about She-Hulk. I think I told you about that mutually. So I was in the cinema. I was like half an hour early because I was a fast boy. Got a little popcorn, got something to drink and just kind of sitting down. Then a couple of us sat next to me just chilling and then some Randy came up and then they kind of got their seats arranged because they mixed it up or something. It doesn't matter. And some reason they started talking about, like, She-Hulk. I was like, uh-oh. Like, I'm just listening. I'm not part of the conversation. And then they said, like, oh yeah, it was kind of bad. I was like, oh, interesting, okay. And then the guy, of all things he could have said, it's like, yeah, I didn't like the show but I really liked the ending. And I was like, what? I mean, I didn't say that but in my mind I was like, what? How did that happen? Well, it is about family and that's what's so powerful about it. You should have interjected now. You can't explain yourself. You can't let strangers have bad opinions. You must correct them. Excuse me, I think you better say the whole thing was awful. Please do that. I'm actually... I think he says, like, oh yeah, because this was kind of like the fourth wall and whatnot. And I was like, the Kevin Feige board was kind of fun. I was like, Jesus Christ. I'm just going to shut my mouth. That was kind of a baffling experience. I didn't think that was possible to hate the whole show and then not the ending. That was fine. The beginning was alright where it's just a guy walking down a street and you're like, oh wow, it's just a guy walking down a street and it's going to buy a coffee. Especially at the end when you think about this is where we were at one point it was a guy walking down a street buying a coffee. It's just so relatable. So normal. So approachable. And then, you know, an hour later you're just in this nightmare world where nothing matters and everything is always and everywhere and you're just like, oh my God, what's even happening? Go back to the real world where you could buy a coffee. Yeah. I really felt that, you know, that setup could have led into a totally different movie and made way more sense. I just want a movie where maybe he goes to drink his coffee and someone steals it and he spends the whole movie getting coffee back. That would be fun. No, we need a new realm to put in our multiverse because we're not confusing enough already. No, but this one's outside of space and time. No! But you have to shrink down really small to get down into it. Unless you have a portal, then you can do the portal as well. That's true, the portal. Which I guess has to change your size. Oh yeah, does the portal change your size? I don't know. I didn't even try to think about that. Yeah, we're going to have to talk about that. Instantly, yeah. We're going to be taking a minute to get down there. It seems to be instant when they go back and forth through the portal. They should have used the portal. The portal seems to be the way to go. When I noticed about my audience and I think this is a reality of the thing we talked about with these movies in terms of the emotional rollercoaster, not quite being a rollercoaster, more like it's shaved off the edges quite a bit so that we never go too hard in any direction. The emotional sounds I heard, right? So I think there were three jokes in the whole movie that the audience that I was surrounded by had any kind of reaction to that I was like, oh, I think some of them found it funny. That's like one half per half hour. Yeah, that's really terrible. I think it's a two hour movie though. Oh, that's like four during the whole movie. It's clearly a comedy movie. Yeah, they tried real hard to be funny in this movie. Real fucking hard. Well, so the point I was going to make was this less funny than Love and Thunder? Ew, I don't even know. I don't know. I chuckled once. I didn't chuckle once. You know the movie. That's true. Yeah, I did chuckle during this a couple of times. Also, fucking hell. Thank you, Jay Mac. I'm just going to fill the whole damn chat with the gift and things like spam. What I was trying to say was the whole audience was making some noises and they were making me think. For example, one of the jokes would happen. We'll get to which ones these are, but it would happen and then you'd hear like it's just like, yeah. Okay. And after you get during just normal conversations with people every day in your life. Yeah, kind of. The one that was most curious to me was one of these came up, one of these moments came up. I don't think it was a joke. It was the reveal of Modoc's face. Oh, yeah. I guess it's supposed to be funny, but it's weird. The audience was literally like uh... Yeah, that's a bit confused. Like is that supposed to be funny? I think the guy next to me was like uh... When I watched this movie, I went to a theater in India to see this and nobody in that theater laughed at like anything. I guess it just doesn't quite translate. So I had to catch a flight and hop back over here to the States real quick. That whole like... That whole theory about how like nothing is pushed to any kind of extreme or no experience is properly crafted. It's all just a general experience. Yeah, everything just seems they just sort of just threw stuff out into the wild and whatever happens was like you got an emergent laugh here. That's neat, that's interesting. It feels like if you throw out a million jokes you're bound to get a couple of chuckles. Yeah, some will be amazing. But again, it's almost like people don't know how they're supposed to react. It's like Murdoch's face is revealed and it was almost like my audience was like wait, is that like a joke or am I laughing because like it looks ridiculous and terrible? Like it's almost like you don't even know. Confused laughter. Yeah, it was very confused laughter. Yeah, are they laughing because it's funny or are they laughing like they're in a straight jacket and they went a little... There you go. You're having a plate and it's like here are two chicken nuggets, five fries, a quarter of a burger. Here's some salmon. Yeah, okay. This is some sauce, a second sauce, a third sauce and gravy across the sauce and you're like, what is... Hey, I have a word on the street is that's a normal meal for an average person. But it's just like a very small amount of everything I guess and it really felt like I heard from the audience where maybe that is why these have some level of success where it's just like, ah, this is movie film. I come to building to watch movie film. Moeller, before you continue, could you put a new MoDoc on screen? I don't have them on hand quite for all these things. I wasn't planning, I was only going to... Oh, you know what, I can put my... No, wait, this was my one, now we'll do Fringy's one. It's pretty funny. This is the stream we can get different artistic granditions of MoDoc. How many millions of dollars went into the creation of MoDoc? Probably at least one. Yeah, at least one. Yeah, but they ran out of money during the phase so they just stretched it over. Does it cost millions of dollars to run a sweatshop? I don't know. Well, this will be a sweatshop. This is the Disney CGI dungeon. Yeah, the bathing. I suppose they're comparable. And I feel like, you know, as soon as the workers are being whipped with chains, I don't care what I'm calling it. With chains. Classic. So, I suppose we should start getting to it. This is going to take a long time. This is the same shit as Ant-Mat... No, that is this one. This movie is anonymously dense and empty. It is just like... It's right in with MOM and Thor Love and Thunder this one. Well, that's a good question. Where does everyone rank this one? In top five worst MCU films, I assume it's in everyone's top five. This is the smallest of the MCU movies. Oh, I can... How would I rate it? I think it is worse than Wakanda Forever. We can at least say that. I think so, yeah. It has to be. I'm trying to think how I compare the two. Or is it my starting point? I don't think it's as bad as MOM. Right? Absolutely. I would agree. This one builds on the sort of... There's some things in here. There are some things. I will say that. And there's a genius move of some... There's at least one character in this film where it's like they literally did nothing with them and so there's no damage. So it would be... I think it could be number three from the bottom. Maybe four of them in the film, right? Because what's worse? Multiverse of Madness and what else do you say? Oh, well, 11th Thunder, I think is probably worse than this. Is it? It does deal a lot of damage to Thor. Which is... The characters are annihilated in Thor. Does this do a lot of damage to one character? There's one... State of the world? Yeah, but all of those films do massive damage to the world. Really, it's a character. There's one character in this film which just says one character in this film who suffers pretty substantially. I think it's after Thor. I think it's after Thor. What do you mean? After? Okay. Multiverse of Madness, Thor, 11th Thunder and... What else do you think has a chance of beating it? We did have Black Widow, but it feels like a movie like Black Widow can't come close to these ones because of the added world-building shit. We're just insane. Eternos does have massive world-building consequences. But the problem is that I can't tell you much about that film at the moment, so... Yeah, so it's probably food waste? Probably. Yeah, because every other film I'm thinking of that would have come out is just like... Like, Shang-Chi isn't even close to... It's funny, right? Because that feels still pretty bad. But I guess it can't compete at this level. Yeah. This is the Olympics. This is a different week class entirely. Yeah. And then, I guess, overall... because then you've got a factor in the shows and like Loki... Oh God. Yeah, I wasn't including shows, I guess. Yeah, because Loki is his own monster. The point that's sort of being made here is that one of the biggest problems that Marvel has had over the last couple of years is disregard for world-building and the consequences of the stories that they're telling in this world. That they keep adding new places, new dimensions to this universe, and they don't put in the work at all to try and juggle them properly and develop any set of coherent rules for these worlds. It's like they all had their ideas during Phase Four. It's like, we just gotta vomit them out and then whoever comes after them, we can deal with it. Yeah, like, they didn't talk to each other about these things. Also, yeah, we have another secret society, that's true. At least this one doesn't control everything. Oh, this one's even worse. Not yet. If you have a secret society like the Not Atlanteans and Wakanda Forever or things like that, they're normal-sized and it's one of them. But if you go down to the quantum realm, we can only assume that these civilizations in the quantum realm exist all across of the quantum reality. Don't even... We must legitimately have introduced trillions of civilizations on a subatomic level. Yeah, no, the quantum realm is like the size of the state of New York. Why? In this movie it is, yeah. The state of New York, what do you mean? This is why this will take a long time. Like, one really big city and then there's some other places out there in smaller places. But like, that's about it. What's a face? Old Wasp said you will kill trillions of people when you destroy a timeline. I already thought she was underregging it. Yeah, Trillion went on about it. Like, isn't it more like, like, like quintillions? I think it's a general crutch and the reason why it almost hit me when she said that was like, fuck, that's why I've been referring to it gradually a lot of the time. But for so many movies now, again, the fucking stakes are the highest possible. Trillions of lives. I know what the stakes will be in the fucking Avengers movies. It's gonna be the same thing. All the multiverses again. They do the marketing stick of like, see Kang is an Avengers level threat. It's like simultaneously no, but also yes. And that's bad. You need to stop. We just have a wild card threat where I guess you could beat him with some ants, but you could also like he could end the multiverse. So it's kind of like, yeah, I don't know. Well, isn't it crazy? Avengers Earth, Age of Ultron Earth and then Infinity War Endgame, the universe. And now it's just multiverse, multiverse, multiverse, multiverse, multiverse. They should have gone back. They should have left those big peaks for maybe the Avengers if they were going to do it at all. It's like you finally have the big ensemble movie at the end. Now we could say it's the universe. That actually, since Phase 4 is over in this beginning of Phase 5, it might be worth like the stakes of these stories. Black Widow was like taken over the world and then Shang-Chi was going to destroy the world. Eternals was going to destroy the world, the whole thing up. Spider-Man was like going to do all this crazy stuff with multiverse, shit and incursions. So that's universes, I guess. And then multiverse and madness was the whole multiverse. Thor Love and Thunder was the whole universe. What was what was the one after that? Oh, we're kind of forever. That was the whole world, potentially. At least that's small stakes. The whole world, you know. Relatively speaking, that one was probably a lot with stakes. And it's still about the whole world. And then don't even get started on the TV shows. A lot of them anyway. And what's next, Guardians? Guardians with the stakes for that will probably be a normal story, won't it? Probably be a lot. Yeah, they probably will. That'll be nice. As much as the stakes may be big, it will likely be a normal story. That'll be crazy. I can't wait. Well, I mean, you know, last one, there was a god who wanted to cover all of the planets in the universe in game. Not everything is about comrades. Yeah, why'd you have to make it weird? Gosh. We're there, man. We're already there. I'm making a lateral move, if anything. You guys want to get to the whole like, I talk about an event in the film and then we talk about how it's really good. Thor, I can't wait to get to that part. Yeah, there's nothing really stopping us from doing so. And it's so exciting. Just big warning. There's so much to talk about. It is insane. I'm going to have to move subjects around, I think, because there's some stuff that becomes more clear in terms of what the criticism is later than earlier, if you know what I mean. You know how if you were going if you went into the middle of the ocean and you just jumped in and looked around, you're like, wait, there's nothing here. And then you realize, oh, wait, it's just like trillions of gallons of water. Of course. That's like what this movie is. Mm hmm. Well, some of it is like, do you even remember like, Atman the Wasp because there's some stuff that's taken up from there and it's like, nobody does. How could you possibly expect the audience to do that? I didn't remember who like the the Modoc character was. I just didn't remember. I was like, Mahler, who is this? I don't remember. I've seen this movie. I swear to God, I've seen this movie and I just do not remember who this person was. But luckily, the film also knew that no one would remember. Yeah, I gave you a literal previously out of the middle of the film. It doesn't help that his face doesn't even look like that guy's face, though. Yeah, I kind of feel that way. I wouldn't recognize, well, I didn't recognize him when I first saw the sort of like leaked screenshots. Yeah. Okay. So our story begins on a dark and stormy night. I wish it's a dark and stormy quantum verse. It's, um, if you remember when they pull out the mum, she's like, oh boy, I've been down there for 30 years. Do you remember she has quantum fleams? She like transfers quantum energy into ghost. Yeah, I've been reminded of that. No. Exactly. I brought this up. I think I don't remember that. I think I said this to Azz and Gary and they were like, what? You're lying. Exactly. Everyone thinks it's a lie. What did she do with it? It was a particularly hilarious plot point. It was a ghost as a bad guy in that movie as a person who like loses randomly out of time or something. It's to do with quantum. I don't know. And the reason she's like attacking is because she needs to fix it. And she's after our heroes for the whole film. They use, she wants their machine. They use the machine to save Michelle Pfeiffer. And then she's like, I'm still all fleamy. And then Michelle Pfeiffer is like, don't worry. Don't worry. I can save you. And she just like puts her hands on her and it transfers quantum juice and it just saves her. Michelle Pfeiffer. I saw her. I watched a movie. I watched Lady Hawk with my dad a few nights ago. And that has Michelle Pfeiffer in it. Batman Returns as Michelle Pfeiffer. She's good. I will give it to you. It had Rutger Hauer as well. She was given performance. She was going for it. She was like, yep, I'm in this movie and I'm an actress. Here I go. I just feel bad when I see that. I'm like, oh. That Matthew Project. They're here to do a job, I suppose. In any case, that's Batman and the Wasp and stuff. And so we knew that she's been in the quantum for 30 years and it's like, oh, what does that entail? And I guess we're getting our answers. In this opening scene, we see her. She's made like a little hut. And she has a source of water. And I immediately was like, fuck me. None of this makes any sense. I don't know how they drink when they're smaller than particles of water. What even is it? Is it water? Is it quantum water? The quarks, right? That's what atoms are made up of? Quarks? Well, so I think that the thing that this film would rely on is, well, we don't know. So whatever it could be. This film relies on pocket. Believe me. If we start this conversation, we have to go like, oh, so what are they breathing? They're smaller than actual air right now. And the thing is, when they were small but had their suits on, you could at least be like maybe a gas canister in there or a filter of some kind. No, this is film done in nanotech helmets. Everybody's got to have their nanotech helmets. I hate it. I hate it. When it gets broken, he can drop it. And it's like a thing. Even in the middle of fight scenes, they're taking off their helmets. And it was just a visor that he could slide up and down. Now it's like little like nanotech helmets so that you can always see the actors' faces because why would you let Ant-Man wear his really cool looking helmet? His really interesting looking costume that's this cool retro futuristic still kind of almost approximates an ant almost like it was intentionally designed by the comic book artist because it looks cool, but now that would get in the way of making sure that you can see the actors, the famous actors' faces. It's just like that uncle's mall. You could see his fucking eyes in that mask. Yeah, you could. That's not good enough. It's not good enough. It's just this general thing with like air and different worlds. We introduce all these multiverses at realms and dimensions and the writers just assume they all just think they can breathe there. It's fine. They think that they can breathe there. It's like multiverse. There could be a universe that has acid air. It's like, no, no, no. No, it all works out. It's actually kind of safe and comfy for a lot of people. Yeah, it's like, man, you really think your audience is really stupid, no? Remember how in the first film you're just shrinking like forever? You're just like in a place where nothing, like there's nothing, nothing makes sense. It's just weird abstract. Ah, that's the voyage ring. They do address that. And don't forget the layer of subatomica, of course. Very helpful. Very, very helpful. Is that actually a name that they said in the film? I get there. I remember that because I love it. Yeah, she's just, she's carved out her own little living space and I legit am like, if she went in there as wasp and she ended up on like some spit of land. This isn't even civilization time. This is just some rock surrounded by weird swirling, you know, colors and stuff. How did you, where'd you get water from? How did you make the hut? What is this? What is happening? And it's just like, shut up. And why is this here? Why are you not chilling somewhere in those big cities or something? You just decide to live here instead of checking out all the other people that live down here that apparently get to know after? It looked like a kind of a night. There's people around. Wait, the geography is so important, alright? Where she is at the beginning of the film is not the rest of the film. It's a very different place. Yeah, okay, I guess. Because they don't do a good job of explaining shit all. But I've been trying to make sense of it, okay, it's real difficult. Because she makes reference to how she was alone until she met the person who's about to crash land. And it's like, but I thought there was a whole civilization. But then she had a whole history with the people in the civilization. But if she didn't meet anyone there before she met Kang... But I think she also has a bunch of weapons in that scene already that she didn't have before. So she must have gotten them somewhere, right? Exactly. So why is she a hermit living in a hut out on the wilderness? I don't know. She can fly. I don't want to give you a clear timeline because she was there for 30 years. It's like, was Kang there for 30 years? Probably not. When did he show up? It's like, I don't know. When did he show up in the timeline there? Well, yeah, I guess that's the next thing, right? So Kang crash lands. You may know him from Loki, but this is a different Kang. This is just one of many Kang's. He's a bad Kang question mark. Well, to be honest, we as the audience are like, oh no, Kang, but she's like, oh hello, persons. She gets attacked by some spooky quantums. Good thing that he landed right there though. God damn it, he landed anywhere else in the quantum realm. This whole boom doesn't happen. Yeah, and to be fair, she's like the only person in the quantum realm that could have helped him. Everyone in that civilization couldn't have done shit. Well, yeah, because she is aware of a world beyond the quantum realm. Like she knows that there's a world out there. This is the thing though, like multiversal travel and quantum travel apparently is just like, there's just this big crossover in understanding and technology. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to go into it now. Yeah, that's true, actually. All we get in this opening is that they meet. But, you know, I guess now is safe enough to say, yeah, it's just fucking insane that those two would be able to meet. It's so funny, the story starts and it starts off with an astronomically insane coincidence immediately. There's so many of those to come. Of course. One without which the whole story doesn't happen. And they even have the small ones. So many of those to come. Yeah. These creatures want to kill her apparently and one of them de-cloaks in front of her and then attacks. And it's just like, that seems like a pretty good thing to not do. Maybe that's how they were. It's like in Halo when you move really fast or run, you lose your Atom Camo. It's still when he un-cloaks. Oh, I don't know what that's about, yeah. Yeah, he's invisible or it's invisible. I'm not even gonna fucking go there. It's invisible and then it un-visibles or re-visibles and then it splits. Whereas I would have just stayed un-visible the whole time and then I would have jumped on her and I would have used my claws and maybe I would have bitter with my teeth. I would have just... Well too bad because Cam shot it. You see, that's why step one is stay invisible. Very important step. Do not overlook step one. All steps, they are branches of the first step. She kills one and then the other one somehow is almost defeated her and then Cam grabs her pistol shoots it and is like, where am I? And that's your big old cold open and being invested in this like, oh gosh, that piece of information is gonna change my whole... What? The big question you'll get almost immediately is like, I don't remember. You can cut it, nothing will change. Oh yeah, but the whole point of it is to make us go, ooh, that'll come back later probably maybe. But the reality is that it only immediately starts the question of... I don't remember who mentioned in that. Yeah. Yeah, but she never actually mentions anything ever, so... Basically it, but... She signed an NDA. Thank fuck, they have good reasons for that. Oh, man. Can you imagine if they didn't... It will be a lot ever so bad. Anyway. And then we get to the real open in the film, okay? Where Scott Lang is having himself a jolly walk down the street just talking about everything's pretty okay even though everything makes no sense. Which I think in a movie we like would be kind of fun, but in this one it almost seems like a crotch, especially when you hear him say the same thing by the end. He's just like, the world just doesn't make any fucking sense. And you're like, yeah, yours. Yeah. He goes to get a coffee and he gets it for free and then the guy who's giving it is like thank you, Spider-Man. You like that. But it was because it was like the accent. He was an old man with a weird accent and he called him Spider-Man. And those things were just like... That was a joke that the audience I think had the reaction that the writer was hoping for. So that's... Pure surface level. Funny old man. That's one of the drugs from the trailer as well. Yeah. Oh, they doubled it on that one then. They knew. Yeah, they knew it was some of the best content in the film. We got to reuse that. So the test audience laughed at two jokes. Should we put both of them in the trailer or just one? Absolutely. Once we get them in the theater, it doesn't matter. We got their money. We got to get them in that theater. And yeah, so they're going to update us on what's happening with everybody. Scott is he's chilling out from having saved the world. He's going to hang out with his daughter. He's going to be a father. And he's written a book about his time. And he's doing a book tour with it. Which I think I remember I guess a leak came out a while ago when we were talking about the leak I think had a bit of editorializing where it was like he's gone super ego driven and he's obsessed with making money or something. I remember us being like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it's not quite that. We'll get to it in a second. I'm just going to summarize the other side. He talks about Hope. Got all Elangeline Lily. I don't know if you remember who the Wasp. The second Wasp. She's taken back her dad's company. Which I need to check into to see even the fucking I don't even know the state of Hank's company at this point. Well, I remember the headquarters got destroyed in the first year. I didn't even know who owned it as of the second film. What was the state of it? Well, yeah, because I imagine it was the dude, the evil guy yellow jacket and then it got destroyed. Like I said, I don't know what it's doing in the second movie. I don't remember. I don't know. In any case, they say she uses the PIM Particle for global change including reforestation affordable housing and food production. Do you remember in the first film when Hank said that for as long as he's alive nobody will ever get his formula. I guess he's changed his mind. He's much more open about sharing that analogy. And I was like, this isn't just revealing it to the world. This is like actually applying it in factories or whatever I'm assuming. Well, I'm using it in ways that other people may well be able to figure out how it works and create their own PIM Particles. Stupid universe never cares. So that means going small and going big that's just commonplace now, right? I'm sorry, every time you say PIM Particles I can't help but think that this is a prostitution magazine where a PIMP is writing articles about how the business is impacted. I can't not think of that. It sounds like you're saying PIMP Articles. I would read those articles. It'd be better than this movie. I didn't actually see either the previous two ant movies. Will you remind me what the PIMP Particles do? They ruin the end game. Yes, they do. They're like the core energy that supplies the ability to do all of the crazy things that are shrinking and growing basically. It's the key to all of it as a science. It's why Hank's got the pattern and the control of it and in the first movie he's worried that if it falls into the wrong hands it'll be the end of everything. I think he got over that. How does that help solve affordable housing? Because you can grow the houses. Remember how food? I don't get reforestation. Grow the trees. The PIMP Particles actually make them mature instead of making the seed massive. Instead of having fewer forests if they're big now we're balancing out. They show us. I guess that's the thing if you're using PIMP Particles to make small food and make it big food there is no... I guess that solves it then. Wouldn't PIMP Particles be more expensive than a lot of foods? How would that increase the food's nutritional value? It's still the same amount of food that's expanded. Here's the thing, Jay. These questions none of us will have the answer. I was thinking about the pizza when it gets expanded. Now it's just a massive instead of the tomato being however big now it's don't even try to think about the actual properties of these things when they shrink and grow. This is a simple world where everything's nice and simple and easy. I do not understand how this helps with either food or affordable housing. I think it's been a problem since the first one. Parents just keep or lose their weight when they're small, depending on the winds of that moment. It's something that happens in this film where they actually change their mind on something they said in the first film. Remember how in the first film they're like the whole shtick is when you're small it localizes all of the power of you into a small point. Yes, the density goes up and then you can jump higher. That's how you get the superhuman powers when you're small and get to jump that high. It's a special little thing. It's kind of ambiguous, but it's fairly easy to understand. Your power gets condensed with you. It's like, okay, yeah, I'll buy it. Then they kind of change their mind in this film. They explicitly say that it's like, no, you've got to emerge big to punch people. Do you remember in the fight scene? Yeah. I checked on some stuff. The power thingy. This is just from the MCU wiki. I don't know how accurate it is. Apparently that simulates the superhuman strength because of the momentum or something. So you have to do it over and over again so you get the power for this one punch. Okay, this is what I mean. It's not even trying to figure out how any of this works. Yeah, that's the way they wrote it there. I don't know, that's the best I could do as well. So like the Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center. That makes sense. But I mean, I guess that's the thing is we're just sort of left to conclude that that's the state of affairs. It's like, yeah. Hope is running this company and then actually leveraging PIM Particles in practical. Isn't it crazy to think about how technologically advanced the world that they are in actually is? Yeah, they have some crazy shit. What's been the average day-to-day lives of the regular person in that world? Exactly. The Avengers and all the alien technology and the Asgardians are here now. It's been a while. We'd be pretty on to that plus whatever Wakanda wants to get. But anyway, there's all kinds of stuff that we should just sort of have. God damn it, at least in Independence Day, whatever the second one was called, they were like, yeah, we got space lasers and shit because we study the alien stuff. I'm like, yeah, I guess that makes sense. What? You're saying that Roland Emmerich's Independence Day universe is more well-thought-out than the MCU? And ironically, it probably is. There's only two of them for starters. I didn't do that in Far From Home. Not in Far From Home. I'm smart. Three for three. What were they trying to do? They tried to do the, oh, we studied the alien tech and now we have new things and no fucking homecoming. Yeah, that's right. I'd say that they reasonably succeeded it sort of making smaller sorts of guns and gadgets and stuff. Yeah, I mean, they succeed in that movie but then forget about it subsequently. Well, it's because the technology or whatever they introduce in terms of world building or mechanics only exists in so far as it services the goals of any given film. But then afterward, it's often forgotten. Well, that's because the MCU forgot the cinematic universe part of this cinematic universe. We've had this problem for, I mean, gosh, years now where this universe is just not connected. It's called as a connected universe, but it just isn't at all. Well, the only connection that seems to be maintained in these films is character showing up. That's it. But like as for... And even then, that's a little bit reshaking. Yeah, like it acts as showing up more so. Yeah. Well, especially in the case of Jonathan Majors, right, Kang, it's like this is not the same Kang. He's just showing up as different Kang's all the time. Which I guess maybe that's fun for him. But it kind of it's almost like that's that's what's... Well, well, because in this film it's like it's something that's worth talking about, I guess, with relation to this opening scene. Scott's acting a little bit different than he normally does. Just a little bit. I'd have to go back, but... I don't remember. It doesn't feel like a Scott Lang move to be like, I'm going to write a book. No, it doesn't. I could buy... I think it's more so like a matter of where his priorities seem to lie, because it's like something that they try to establish is like a thread in the earlier portion of the film is like Cassie is like trying to be proactive in helping people and Scott isn't. And that's a little bit odd considering that Scott might be one of the more proactive heroes in this universe. Yeah, sorry. What I mean is I'm going to write a book in lieu of everything else. That's what comes across to me as the strange part. We think he's got enough time in the day to hammer out a couple of pages, you know, for his book. I'm trying to think though, his spare time in the first two movies, I don't think he did that. I had like interest in that one. I guess all I'd say is I just like that doesn't strike me as odd that he might want to write a book about his adventures. Cause that's the thing, right? You could say that about everybody could want to write a book. Don't need much justification. Yeah, exactly. Just never came across to me as something he was interested in sort of like sharing his story with the world about saving the world. The part where he's like I want to spend time with my daughter completely by that would be 100% with him. But I guess that's almost highlighting the point, right? Is that in having to do all these book tours and going all over the place, it's kind of like putting a wedge between him being able to spend that much time with her. It's almost like, you know, having lost several years of his life, you'd be surprised that he'd be doing anything really that would be getting, but maybe that's the point that they were trying to go for. Yeah, that wasn't even in there. Well, I guess what I'm saying is maybe that was like something that they were going to go for in the early draft, but then it got lost in the all the quantum stuff of like the notion that maybe he doesn't want to be going out and doing hero stuff because it would put distance between him and his daughter. Kind of like what's happened every time that he's done the hero stuff in the past. You watch him in the first two Ant-Man's and you see his appearances in the other films and then this one starts and it's like, I've written a book. It just feels like, oh, okay. I guess that could be the beginning of any of these heroes' stories, I guess, in their new movie. This doesn't feel like that is something that he was going to do, but that part's not really the problem compared to what Fringon was just highlighting with. He's getting absolutely shat on for this life choice. Yeah, and I don't know why. Yeah, so if I can clarify, I'm struggling to find out whether or not I think he would do it. I have no issue with someone choosing to do it. Yeah, it's the same as it's a reasonable thing for a person to do. Yeah, well, I think for me, it's kind of similar to the whole thing of like cap choosing to retire. It's like a lot of people would say, well, he's done the right. Like, look at all the crazy stuff he's done throughout his life and all the sacrifices. Like, yeah, he probably has done the right. I don't think he would though. I don't think he would make that choice. It's the same here, right? He's got to save the universe. He was a huge part of the reason why like everything got fixed. But he has always seemed like a very he sort of jumps into situations to try and help. Like he's a very he just wants to help people. Yeah, he'll always be around to do what he can. Yeah. Yeah, to the point that he even, you know, went off to help Cap in Civil War, even though he knew that that was going to have consequences because he felt like that was what he needed to do. And then of course, like, you know, yeah, but it's like a joke, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't they bring it up like to try and like shut on him a bit? Well, yeah, because they're like they said he went to fight Captain America, which is like, I feel like you wouldn't make that mistake, right? Like, you would know that he didn't go to jail. You know the reason why he went to jail, right? Why he was on the house arrest in the last movie or we forgot what happened in the last movie. Well, part of that I'd say as well is that I think it was supposed to be a funny joke where he goes I fought with Captain America and fight Captain America. Good old Marvel humor. I'm not insane. Awkwardly stumbling your way through something that is also partially like a meta-reference. Yeah, I think that was just meant to be like fight Captain America. Wouldn't that be nuts? It's almost like every time there's a joke they treat as independent of character motivations or like what they would once or what they know. It's like the world kind of ceases to exist for a bit. Just have your little joke annoying. I don't actually remember any specific examples, but I remember thinking it so many times of like that's not funny and also that character wouldn't make that mistake. Yeah, it's like the world ceases to exist. That was one. I've got a reference for it when the fucking guy is like, do you have ants? Do we have ants here in the little place? It's like, you knew this woman for like a long time, right? And apparently she spoke about this a lot. Yeah. Is he just fucking with him when he says that? I guess maybe. I guess he must have been. That's another weird character, that one, in terms of figuring him out. Yeah. But you don't get it for five seconds, so. Yeah, it was like an, oh, hello. So he says, because we're going to go over again, what we're kind of alluding to there, but just before he says the pretty good world, I'm glad we saved it. Will I be there when the Avengers need me? Absolutely. But right now, the only job I want is being a dad. And I'm sorry I missed so many birthdays or some birthdays. I mean, it's like. What a nice guy. Yeah, it's just like, the problem with watching a movie though is that I listened to the deliverance and I'm like, that's fine movie. You're not making a point against it, are you? You know what I'm saying? What are you doing, movie? You're not going to shit on what you just put. Is that your movie? Yeah, you know, you just get a bit of a hmm. But that's what he's up to. And in the montage, they show him hanging out with Hope, and I actually think this has plot relevance. They show, he turns up with food to her work, and then they both nano-suit their shit on and go hang out and stuff. Yeah, with the hype and nano-suits that are crazy that manifest in maybe four or five frames out of 24 frames during a second. Is to be like, see, they'll have them when things go to shit, all right? Hmm. Why do you think it is that like Marvel has become so motivated to have everything be nano-tech? Is it because it's less logistically complicated than just having him put on the suit? Maybe. It's less restrictive for whenever they want to do anything in the story. Annoyingly, it does give the universe more cohesion. I mean, I guess this technology exists now, and it's really widely available so the characters should have it, I guess. What does it look like if you do that? Another JL. What is the nano-tech being leveraged in other applications like medicine or like in computer technology? Space travel, right? Yeah, but it's only ever used for the suits. So the only thing you can say is that there's a level of cohesiveness in the older suits in nano-tech, I guess. Wouldn't it be interesting to if he actually, well, fine, but I'm going to say it anyway. Wouldn't it be interesting if he always had to wear the suit so that if he needed it, he had it and like the helmet and everything, and like he constantly has this all the time with him, and it maybe starts to like annoy like some people he's around or something, because you're always wearing the suit all the time even now. Oh, yeah. I do have a new face. She was really upset because he had the big chest thing for the suit. Oh, yeah. That's the only time they've acknowledged that the suits in nano-tech versus not being the suit. And also, by the way, something that was neat in that film is that when he put on the suit, the jacket that he was wearing was like a jacket that could be turned into a tight suit so that it like actually was fit properly under it. Isn't that so funny? The first time around they're like, yeah, we probably need to account for the fact that he is wearing clothes. Like if he's wearing clothes, they need to be able to fit inside the suit. Now they just don't care. It's just like, no, it's magic. You just put it on and it's not like you'd be with like your suits underneath this extremely tight costume. We saw this when Jay referenced far from home. I mean, no way home. I mean, homecoming when he steps out of the suit when he talks to Peter and he's got like some clothes on. You're like, oh, yeah. There's a guy in there like wearing clothes. It opens up and everything and you can walk out of it. Well, the thing that was, because the only film I can think of was the nanotech stuff that also did it was like no way home where his suit looked like shit afterward, like it was all circled up and looked. Yeah, but otherwise this is a nitpick, I will admit. I just hate the nanotech stuff. It annoys me. I don't think it's a nitpick. I think that's a big thing, especially when they're just discarding it and making it appear again and when they can always have it no matter what and considering that she needs the suit at one point and he has to like give her the thing. I think it's a totally fair criticism to be like, well, they should always have this 24-7 because it doesn't seem to have any sort of you know, it doesn't seem to impede their daily lives in any way. I guess what we really walk with though is like you kept it in your pocket and when you got your wallet out, you accidentally dropped it and you didn't realize it and you're like, oh right. I was having a joke at the Simpsons where like Homer took the dude's knife when there was scouts, you remember? When they were the river cruise they went and where it was like Homer, Barton, Ned and Todd and then he stole the dude's knife and he needed to face down a grizzly bear and he's like, don't worry kids, I'll like take down this bear with my trusty uh... No, just like Homer's using it to fuck with like his teeth or something, is it? Yeah, exactly. But imagine if that happened with Ant-Man when he was falling into the quantum world, he's like, don't worry Cassie, I'll save you with my trusty oh shit he finds out that he dropped it in a restaurant somewhere that'd be real awkward sorry, I just had to get a Simpsons reference in there. That's fine. We have one for the stream. In any case it ends with him saying, weird of advice look out for the little guy and you can't help but be like, is that going to be the movie? Is that the theme? Yeah but you will forever wonder exactly how to apply it yeah he says take chances, because if there's one thing life taught me is that there's always room to grow oh I get it, because it's a small, big Ant-Man that's right it's not bad, you know, it's not a bad line no, that's fine I think the movie thinks that his writing kind of sucks, but then this movie's writing kind of sucks I don't think the writing actually sucks though I think it's really fine no, I agree I just think the movie thinks his writing is kind of lame accidentally wrote a good thing when they were trying to write a good thing I'm pretty sure that that book is available to purchase by the way, the book that he wrote that's a book you can actually buy that's fun, I guess I think that's neat more product placement movies product placement for Scott Lang's autobiography terrible you know he's probably incredibly wealthy imagine the royalties he got from that book he had a trilogy of movies I happen to know that Avengers don't give a shit well, Scott Lang's right yeah, Hope does have a whole company I think they're fine well, it's just that surely they're very wealthy the point is Falcon needs to write a fucking book yeah, if he wrote a book he'd sell millions of copies he'd be sorted what's funny is part of his book inexplicably a lot of people might be like, well, but you know Scott saved the world, what's Falcon going to write about? it's like, I don't know how he helped being a vigilante with Cap for several years like yeah, that would be super interesting pretty interesting oh well so Jail calls Mr. Scott and he has to go to well, to Jail Jail call it would seem his daughter who has all grown up and you're like, whoa, record scratch how old is she? and you're like well, she was was it six in the original film? he was six in that man according to her in this film and then that would have been 2015 and I think this film was like 2025 which she don't look like nah, she looks 16 she looks like she's in her mid 20s yes and she's a wonderful new character fan favorite I would say well, she's not a new character I guess, she's one of their older characters I suppose in the pantheon think about all the new characters that they've introduced in the last like two years well I want to think about it shouldn't she be 11? no, she wasn't dusted yeah she was on her own she aged regularly noob yeah, and we find out basically that there was a a protest happening to prevent the police from moving the homeless away from an area that they're trying to just set up a camp in because everyone's displaced and she tried to defend them by I guess doing ant-man things including but not limited to shrinking a cop car that's a very good idea if shrinking and growing things is common enough that they've got like a whole industry going for reforestation then why aren't the cops like, oh, you shrunk my car, you're staying in jail yeah, that's destruction of property you've rendered a cop car useless well, having kids growing things is such a big industry, surely they'll be like wow, you shrunk a car, that's inconvenient we'll have to grow it back again with our technology what happens if you throw one of those things in a car and someone's in it, does it just crush the person, like they get small as well, right, I would imagine I think so, like it works with the suits well, here's a whole other question I have that I don't have to really answer for so isn't the whole point when you shrink something down the density stays the same they've changed their minds on that as heavy as the car that's magical that is an ant man and the wasp problem because they didn't they did have a building oh, they did, didn't they wasn't that terrible wasn't that terrible well, one of the relevant parts was that if that's the way that it works then when he like made the Thomas the tank engine toy like explode up yeah then that should it would be potentially if you had like a tank when he shrunk the tank down it would potentially like sink really far into the ground because all that weight is being in a much smaller area so it's like a spike imagine if you dropped one of those and then it shrunk the earth does it know not to do that does it know not to do that it's like a star trek phaser or something when it disintegrates a person don't hit the ship with it don't miss yeah so and then there's yeah of course probably you know the world-building elements of like this is a thing that people have like access to oh shit this changes everything like storage and like your house like if you just shrink your house whenever you're not using it or you could just shrink food whenever you're not using it or anything whenever you want to store anything ever or oh what's that we don't know how to dispose of all these I don't know turbine blades or whatever that's fine we'll just shrink them down into nothing and chuck them in a hole and it will just literally never remember yeah all the landfills in the world you could just shrink the trash shrink the landfills yeah so definitely change everything forever much like every single movie in this fucking franchise would change everything forever and I don't know why you wouldn't especially if pimp particles are cheaper than pizzas everyone's highlighting the tank he has in his keychain in the first movie yeah it's like that would fucking fill through his pocket man jumping on people's shoulders it would be like having a heavy like a bullet pretty much going down imagine what it would feel like if somebody jumped on your shoulders all of a sudden it's like a spear yeah I was gonna say it's even worse because it's all focused into one spot imagine someone just was like rudely interrupted me was imagine then having that localized into a tiny portion of your arm just repeat what I said I said a bullet yeah but that wasn't what you said before you interrupted me and rags interrupted you first actually if you paid attention yeah that's true rags why would you do that I was adding on to your point your point was made better by my interruption I added on to you your interruption was just the point that I was gonna be making anyway I think it was later look at that it's incredible it's like someone used to pimp particle on my argument and they made it just as good but smaller even more powerful like a bullet that's right I don't know why you're on your shoulder imagine if just like a person jumped on your shoulder bring his icon now just matches him hahahaha hahahaha um yeah it's a it's totally a bubble human thing of like and tee he he is your car back I just love that there's like a rest to arrest her yeah you feel you destroyed slash stole police property you know how much fucking trouble you're in yeah yeah apparently not that much apparently none she walks out of the building and there's no repercussions whatsoever the police guy isn't the police I also you might have said that and I missed it's like doesn't he say like I know you have it give it back like like he knows you have it in her and go through her belongings you have reasonable suspicion that she has stolen police gear in her backpack then you go reach in there and take it you're the police you have the authority to do this okay she's the main character well but in universe would it be like ah see ant man bailing out his trouble making daughter he doesn't have to follow the rules like everybody else like it would give this idea of like oh there's there's a special class of people the Avengers and all of their relatives and she could go out and she could do all this stuff she could use Avengers tech against the police yeah when she gets caught no worries one of the Avengers will break will just pay her you know pay her bail with his unlimited monies and then life will just go on and fuck the rest of us we should have had Avengers parents yeah it would absolutely this is the kind of thing like they they drop the sycovia accords and this is kind of in the spirit of that where you can't just have Avengers doing whatever they want because this is a small version of that the reality that matters it kind of when you see it used in this sort of application it's like so pimp particles have to be like hyper regulated right surely yeah that's really like incredibly regulated thing I don't know if it'd be regulated as like a substance or as a potential weapon or something the way you slid into the frame look at his face it's so funny good only jelly jelly mo doc mo doc mo doc mo doc what were we talking about it was something we were talking about that pimp particles should be regulated but the sycovia accords don't exist so I guess you can just do whatever you want with them can you imagine being a fan of like civil war as a writer and being like oh I'm right in the next thing and maybe it's the captain falcon thing and you're like I'm gonna you know include that I'm gonna develop the laws a bit gonna do some will-building it's like no she-hug said it's gone yeah out of all the fucking shows she-hug says like in a sci-fi yeah she-hug the legal show I lost my fucking mind yeah and then you have people like yeah but they were stupid anyway it's like no they're not stupid stop it oh god they're less stupid than not having them are my favorite one is well they never used them anyway so I'm glad they got rid of them it's like no that's not how you solve your writing problems stop it I think what we see in this film would be like an interesting example right because I guess they're almost like jumped super far ahead they use some crazy technology to communicate with the quantum realm and then get sucked in and then they have to stop a super duper duper like big bad guy from escaping from the quantum realm and potentially destroying the universe just imagine like what a government would think about all of that is like my god like this this shit can just happen like that what is the apparatus with which we can try to even manage any of this and seemingly there is none because they don't want to deal with it it's too hard being the president to find out the multiverse almost died 17 times this week and you wouldn't even know at what point is she just like whatever then whatever literally what even kind of like everything is out of your control life is as mind numbing as this movie is well I mean it would be I guess it's kind of like that that episode where the president and like he couldn't accept that Rick was more powerful than the United States and so they have to develop more and more technology to keep up and try to fight him well there is no shield shield was an apparatus could you imagine if like the FBI just like disappeared and like didn't get replaced with anything or like the CIA well dude imagine not only that but they got disbanded because turns out they were Nazis and be like what sorry guys turns out sorry it turns out they were Nazis the whole time so the organization has been disbanded and we're like really like some functions that it served right have they been adopted or replaced by any other branch of the United States government or just hasn't just been left like nothing yeah the EPA is kind of taken over the shield responsibilities but speaking of world building that they clearly think they've acknowledged and dressed but they haven't at all the blip when she's talking about oh I was trying to save the homeless from the blip but it could just be regular homeless people and it would make no difference at all well they said that after the blip what they say about housing like after the blip there was no place to live when it was like it's the opposite of what would happen so the thing is that after everyone's returned right yeah so I think what she's saying is there were homeless there's a lot of homelessness because the blip and the snap and all that it's like well yeah that probably would have had a lot of people displaced and imagine the economy in that world like what does that even look like you know what happened with inflation what happened with like the implication of everyone coming back and creating incredible homelessness would be that yeah all the people who came back would be the homeless ones unless they want to make a world where you could be they don't even hmm how even would that how would they even fight to deal with that well remember that's what they said in Far From Home right that May showed up and there were other people living in their apartment it's like yeah thanks Avengers good job guys yeah but I think it's worth pointing out we see Scott walking around the city and everything seems fine so it's not like there's mountains of homeless people yeah isn't like a lot of homeless in San Francisco population drop for San Francisco of course yeah yeah and so homelessness is bad enough where they are already that it's kind of meaningless to say that it's because of the blip she could just be trying to solve regular homelessness oh well I think they thought that was world building that's what happened they were like they thought it was world building just like She-Hulk thought the Sikobi Accords out they're done now they thought that was world building too when I say population drop I meant initial drop but also drop of population with the blip return and yeah San Francisco should if you want to portray that there's almost hellscape of everyone running around not knowing what to do but they never wanted to get anyone near that it's kind of funny being the opening is so idealized like that's part of the joke and everyone smiling and is happy just like do you remember what world you're in like yeah this is a world where remember how like in one of the films a giant celestial entity was like emerging from Earth and nobody knew that that was something that could happen how is everybody in this world not living in a state of perpetual crisis yeah every day they say their prayers because at any second the multiverse could just collapse and they'll be dead before they even know what happened in fact that would be the merciful end is everything just stopped existing for you I think I was talking to when Molly and I were watching it because he came with me I said man Jesus like it would be like living in this universe is like a nightmare world yeah because they talk so casually about entire civilizations just being destroyed and blipped out of existence or multiverses and timelines being destroyed and like fucking hell 99.99 then it's just like I'm gone yeah 99.99% of all the lives in the universe have just been unceremoniously destroyed in the MCU like it's actually quite a hellscape we're just focusing into the one universe timeline slash dimension slash world slash realm slash reality where everything just sort of kind of works out and we're not going to talk about all the other ones really the timelines that just get destroyed timelines, universes, dimensions realms realities realities exactly I love that about like people always refer to it as a quantum realm so it's very different than the others then you go to his description of the first movie he says well the quantum realm is a reality where this is like fuck come on I guess what I mean Ork was excited quantum realm is a realm it's like yeah I got that like they could make a joke out of that yeah they could have actually yeah you know what that sounds like a bit of a marvel joke but if like one of the million child prodigy scientists they have in this universe was like writing their dissertation oh yeah because past is a genius but she's writing her dissertation about the differences between realms and worlds and realities and dimensions and timelines the reason I brought up with the homeless people though is to basically just have a wedge for it to be able to be like you suck dad I help people you don't which is like oh I thought it was like I'm actually really good I think that was uh oh yeah like you're still bringing up that time when you saved trillions of lives almost single-handedly like years ago who cares hey that's the dinner table I'm still in the car I was still in the car the dog saved your life what has he done for me lately I think I was a wicked morning joke you know what has he done for me lately like a reference to God when he's criticizing her she's like what did you expect me to do look the other way and just like well wait are we doing the thing where Superman is selfish for every second he's not saving someone is that what's happening that's what she's doing for sure because clearing out a homeless camp in the middle of the night we have so little context for any of this I'm assuming this tragedy is like all over the place right now in which case either it is tragedy enough that Scott should be doing something or it's not enough in that she's being an asshole but we don't know I don't even know what he can necessarily do there's probably so much legal red tins around these kinds of issues he's trying to get all the homeless they don't think of as much room well if they could all have one pizza it'd be fine that's right he can just buy one pizza and solve the world with a pizza all you have to do is buy one house shrink all the homeless and then put them in there and they can live together could you just shrink the homeless and not grow the house well okay we can do it your way gather all the doll houses in the world and then just make a massive complex this is kind of what I'm getting at being like super rich they've got loads of resources they're actually doing humanitarian stuff I'm assuming that they are trying she's like you guys are doing anything isn't that what they are doing though presumably she can't say that to hope if she's running a business that's doing a massive amount of humanitarian work well I think this was only pointed at Scott not at home at all wouldn't Scott be involved in this in some ways or is he not in this world I have no clue maybe he has absolutely nothing to do with the business hopefully contextualize what I was trying to say about the book it's like they're saying the book is everything he's not doing anything else it's like really he's being a dad apparently not he's missing out on the shit that's happening with his daughter this is all a surprise to him but she's in prison so is that and I guess again to hit at the fundamental I don't know one of Scott's biggest motivators was like his daughter it might be it might be his most fundamental motivation is protecting her making sure that she's happy and basically proving to her that he's a good person that's one of his core motivations and it's kind of like for some reason it seems like that's been diminished to a appreciable degree during this early portion of the film in terms of speaking to what he's been doing for the last few years of like busy going out with his book doing tours and going out to you know events and stuff because I think that what the movie wants to tell us is that he did save the world he did something great and he's gotten complacent and doesn't need to do anything else now he's completed his tasks sort of thing the fact that he says like hope is saving the world every day right she's great I have the peepo sus face of like he's saying he did it once and she does it all the time and that's why she says later on do you remember when he's they're all making fun of him for saving the world and it cuts to hope and she says yeah how was that for you scott what like I don't get why they make these new female characters just such unlikable cunts it really annoyed me because jumping it slightly but like when she says that I was like are we actually shitting on him for say he's the quintessentially most important component of saving the world he did the most he's the one that figured it out suggested the idea because he when he got out he was the proponent of trying to use the quantum realm to do time travel shit and then just to have the writer tell me yeah well hope saves the world every day like fuck you I guess well I think I just said it's like it's not a competition yeah they're on the same side and then you really want to convince me something really fun with characters who genuinely treated something like that as a competition and you could do some really interesting character work like that actually good but it's not these characters these characters shouldn't be doing that well as part of the the the films thing is like scott needs to get back on tracks with saving people it's like what the fuck why is he off track what do you mean if he's taking a second to reestablish his time with his daughter and to write a book about his experiences that doesn't make him a bad person yeah let him do a good person actually I mean we've got nothing about kind of like what his daily life is like we just got like a day where he got a coffee and says hi to people and if people want to take pictures he does it and then he pays his daughter's bail and she fucks up with his technology think about this right so he did the the the film is saying you know he's doing a bad cuz he's spending his time writing things rather than helping people um it's writing for seven well it's possible but it's possible to spend your time helping people in the real world but um well this is my question the people who wrote this spend most of their time writing like Scott that's funny dude what do you mean they spend five minutes with these scripts that's true actually this is the thing it's like even if he is writing a book he's got other time you know writing a book and dealing with Cass he can't be the only two things he's doing in his life and since he loves hope that is his girlfriend slash why I don't know if they married at this point whatever um we have no idea what the his daily life's like he's probably hanging out with her and probably helping her with all of the pimp particle like reforestation environmentalism work right is he not saving the world too I can't imagine that that hope goes to him it's like hey and men persona pretty popular can you like do some I don't know ad stuff with a charity raising and stuff yeah that's a great idea and I don't think Scott would be like fuck no get the fuck out of here I'm gonna write a book bitch sorry I'm busy with my book they can't show that because they know that would well I mean you think that they would know that there would be a violation of Scott's characters who actually show him being like no I'm not gonna help people I'm busy writing my book but yeah that's what he's been doing off screen because you know if we don't see it then you don't get that knee jerk reaction to it Scott wouldn't do that but he's still he's still telling us the film is still telling us that's what he's doing I hope they like half commit I think you're right about like they go as far as to have people criticizing for that vague assessment but they'll never show us like you said a scene where you like see someone in pain or danger or something and just goes nah I'm writing a book also I think it's really lame that everything hope is doing it's just unambiguously good and is working yeah I mean like it could be much more interesting if she's struggling to bring about change and do the things she wants to do setting up in this opening would be way more interesting if they actually explored it in the fucking world it's not part of the film though it's not part of that film because they need to go to the quantum realm to do like crazy shenanigans there then why do it I think that they think that they're doing establishing right establishing material for their story well I'd say it all pays off having all this stuff about whether or not he stands up for the little guy or that you'll make a you'll take action when he could just avoid it which you know like right the end right that comes up Kang is like get out of my way and then he's like no I can't do it I think Kang literally says look the other way which is the only way that's some brilliant writing right there him focusing on his relationship with his daughter is not looking the other way to the evil in the world he's like it seems like he hasn't even done that even though that would be like his main because one of the things that they're doing in the film is like oh yeah we've lost time you and I me, Kang, you, Ant-Man it's time that you can't recover like wouldn't it be nice to recover that time and it's like but yet that doesn't seem to inform how Scott has conducted himself in his regular day-to-day life before that point he's spending as much time in the world as he could with Cassie trying to you know catch up on all the time lost and trying to sort of guide her to a good future but it just doesn't it seems like to the point that he's not really interested it could be really interesting he could be kind of like suffocating her almost trying really hard there's something there and then he would be so focused on that to the exclusion of the things that are going on in the world that like he's not paying attention to people who need help but I think that's like but he doesn't even know what she's working on I know anything about it I don't even know how she does that in secret That's the thing, I get the impression that somewhere when they were coming up with the ideas for what were going to happen to these characters in the story that was the idea with Scott and then they just didn't do anything with it or they think that they succeeded in doing it by having a couple of lines in the film because otherwise I'm not sure what you would identify as like his through line in this movie but like there's not enough material to support the interpretation that I think would have made a lot more sense that he is kind of having an adverse reaction to the time that he's lost to a degree that's harming her and is harming the world in the sense of inaction I think someone might try and argue part of it is like him learning to get stuck in, get involved just because a problem isn't happening to you, doesn't mean it's not a problem which is like he's always in that way he's saved the world several times technically speaking he's treated as though he's given up after Endgame Yeah Yeah, also but you also run into that Superman as an asshole if he's not saving everyone constantly problem Yeah, it's like maybe Scott could take a bit of a break, you know like His daughter is telling him how to be a superhero by the way in the car drive he's like stop telling me what to do and he's like I'm not telling you what to do and then hope is like you are telling you what to do away from jail Yeah He got you out of jail, he could have said you know what, you're gonna learn a lesson and plus I'm an Avenger and this is gonna be in the news everywhere and if she is 16 it's like yeah, I'm still your fucking parent stop fucking around stop going to jail kind of throws him under the bus there Yeah, she's an asshole it's funny because that's already like 20% of his contribution to the movie he's probably a part of this film I felt like she was she probably cut or just never put in Yeah, and then he's like I promised your mom that you'd only use this stuff when one of us was around it's like first of all why is she using this stuff why does she have access to it, period yes, this is insane technology he brings up very good arguments this happens a lot in the film where arguments are brought up and then they're not addressed he says what if you had lost it what if the cops got it and it's like first of all that was a great argument for it back in the other films but then I was like it's official now yeah, it's like functioning if you have a whole company running with it in terms of reforestation and food banks in the equivalent of I'm guessing you literally I mean they show it later but you take like a normal piece of food and then you expand it that's something they're doing on the consumption and on an official level without testing without like government approval probably there is a government in this world right I think so the idea that they're like oh we've got this experimental technology that's literally gonna cure fucking hunger worldwide it's like wow we might need to test that what are the long-term effects of eating like enlarged flume food I don't know might not be that great nobody has this technology still and they're protecting it it's like don't even bother what do you mean? you are not at bad one you can't get away with this anymore you've already hope saved the world and it's like okay but by establishing that with all that tech that means the whole world has growing and shrinking technology now you know that right no shut up which is the plot of the first film is preventing it from getting out of Hank's hands basically oh well yeah and then she says what I didn't lose the suit and he's like you have a suit and yes all of us are like you have a suit you have a suit why yeah and then so like you got all that then she goes I know how to take care of myself gotten pretty used to it by now well then fuck off what really pissed me off is the he's like oh wow and then she says oh I I didn't mean it like that and it's like what did you mean it like what like God pretty used to being on my own it's like you went on your own though you would have been taken care by somebody you were fucking what she would have been like 1211 when the blip happened somebody would have been looking after it so like the idea that she's just been on her own taking care of herself rag tag misfit in the world I was like shut up in the wastelands of earth also it's not like he went to go get cigarettes and never came back he didn't go fucking trapped in the quantum realm like oh well let's go get quantum realm juice and never came back quantum realm juice and it really does feel like she kind of holds him against it against him in the film but it's never really properly addressed or explained it's just sort of like yeah you kind of you know a lot of lost time dad another thing that will be interesting to explore if she resented him for that but like it explored how that's not actually his fault I guess it's not necessarily reasonable but you might feel them anyway movie does that a lot where they just start something and then it's just forgotten well so something I would say I think that you're right Jay that would be an interesting thing to explore the problem is that in some sense it almost seems incompatible with her like reprimanding him for not saving the world enough because like the reason why he got separated from her was because he was doing like science that could potentially you know save the world in the future like you gotta pick one right is he a jerk because he wasn't around to see a jerk for not helping enough like right now you could have a conclusion to this where she's like I was holding you to an unreasonable standard I'm sorry and then him going yeah but you know what you've inspired me to try to do more anyway yeah but instead he's the only one who has to learn anything yes he doesn't he won't learn anything in this film he comes the closest to learning anything in this film but most people don't change nothing really happens the movie thinks he learned anything the movie doesn't think she needs to learn anything no just cringe so we have like a little family food me and dinner yeah and they have like this tiny pizza and he has a droplet of something onto it and it turns into a big pizza yeah that alone is already enough for me to be like hmm and then Janet says your Nobel prize is in the mail and Hank says I just saved eight bucks now was that I was I don't believe you that only cost eight bucks it's not like when I heard him say I just saved eight bucks that's one of them everything goes black and white and the weird catastrophe is just on screen and it's like what why like extrapolate he's saving resources in the form of money by doing that eight bucks to be clear like did you if have you solved world hunger have you actually yeah exactly it's such a small is a joke it's like my small pizza is now a big pizza it's like bro there are starving people in Africa who could really use some pizzas right now my dude I think Pizza Hut made an enormous like hundreds of foot pizza thing and I was like if you drop an expander on that will it become like a planet pizza it's a planet hey it's just I like they really have gone this far with the expanding shrinkage it's like do you know why they didn't before because this is catastrophic for world building it changes everything forever just like everything else does but like you can't do this you can't just go I can just make infinite food really it's like another thing that's catastrophic for world building is apparently growing a pizza is more cost effective than buying a bigger pizza like that that pin particle must just be asking free yeah that's specifically what I'm referring to before he'd said that I was like I was could be a fun little science thing but it's insanely you know inefficient but when he said I've saved eight bucks I was like oh fuck well but Mola have you considered that he was memeing I guess we're gonna have to hope he was fucking memeing that could be a funny joke if they're like exactly yeah the implication I got was the implication I got is that's why he was doing it though he's a frugal man yeah yeah it should be that he does this as like a party trick and then everyone's like oh wow why don't you do this all the time he's like it cost me a few thousand dollars to do that just now it just rules out the thing of it like ever being used in any sort of real way it would be so much better if the line was like I just saved eight bucks with one five hundred dollar pin particle would be funny way better yeah this one thousand dollar pin particle just saved me eight bucks yeah that's a decent joke fucking hell he did it himself a weirdly so it's not like he's an idiot it's kind of like a flex isn't it then like you're so smart and cool that you would you know he would waste a thousand dollars yeah but he wouldn't do it for his family you already know that it's an experiment and that it's getting cheaper and that maybe one day this will be an efficient use of the technology but you know they don't want to deal with that but that's not dealing with it that's why it's a good change because it's not dealing with it it's like we want to show you the cool visual but we also don't want to destroy the world so we'll throw it in line to make sure about that do you think that even considered the whole world hunger angle do you think that was ever something they literally have they're talking about solving hunger earlier but while these people are stupid that's really because this is another reason why I don't think he's lying or joking because they do it reforestation affordable housing and food production it's like food production food production means something very specific it seems doesn't it why would they talk about them doing food production if it wasn't if it wasn't related to the PIM particle I'm assuming they wouldn't mention it it's like all the company is doing it this is why we're kind of joking about it but I assume this is how it works they create giant trees giant houses from small trees and small houses and probably the same for food I guess I don't know or is she just pumping PIM like money into everything yeah maybe that would be so much better as an explanation maybe they're using maybe they're using the PIM particles to make big money and then they can buy more things big money look at this giant dollar theoretically they might be able to do that with like gold yeah maybe I don't know everything is flimpy in the world but it's fine because that's the least of our issues soon enough someone in chat just wrote PIM particles on PIM particles to make more bigger PIM particles oh god don't even like I know it's a joke but stop don't give them ideas were you going to say something for me you said now that I guess no I don't know which one of the models is Friggy he's the blue one yeah that's right I'm in the blue mode arc it sounded like you were going to say something but I did it I wasn't saying anything we can interrupt you if you want you definitely were you forgot me if you want well I've forgotten then that Friggy is lost to time that's a rare Friggy right now every Friggy is lost to time after every second or so I guess he's gone and now that one's gone welcome back I like that one we get a line that is going to be basically the foundation of why this plot could even happen in the first place she says hey no pizza in the quantum realm and then Janet's like no no nothing and she says you know you can talk about it and then she's like I spent 30 years down there I just want to be a mom which might be like which would be like okay well if there was nothing there that I guess nothing to say yeah nothing to talk about down there that's cool man I hope that's not going to bite her in the ass that she said that see and that's what makes the interest so interesting you know that she met Kang down there so something that's storytelling that's what do they call it mystery mystery mystery nice yeah and then Hank is like you make any friends in the slammer this time honey it's a line like that and then she's like oh grandpa and then because he said this time I mean she's been to jail multiple times and obviously she got a suit from Hank and at this point I legit would have been proud of the film this would never happen but how cool would it be if Scott was like you got of the suit and he's like yeah and he's like and you've been given to the particles too he's like yeah like been teaching her to fight I'm guessing because that's like the whole package with that man and she's been to jail multiple times and you haven't told me Hank do you mind if we have a little conversation quick in the other room and then he just fucking yells at him or does a very stern conversation about how like she's my daughter not yours like what the fuck is this you're going behind my back you're giving her like insane technology that could easily kill her which by the way I'm pretty sure that's why you gave me it in the fucking first movie because you knew it could kill me and you didn't care too much about it if it went wrong in that way you didn't want to hope to use it yeah it's a whole big payoff that he basically says like I don't want you doing it because I don't want to happen to you what happened to Janet and it's like oh but you will for Scott and it's like oh he doesn't care as much about Scott wasn't that problem shrinking into the quantum realm which they've now are able to alleviate there's no way the no not even necessarily the nature of getting someone back out of that is incredibly complex and like it still fucks with you in some way and there's no way that that's like a guarantee but besides that's like one of the many problems that yeah think about what happened to Scott he got trapped in the quantum realm just a few hours and think about it imagine if through some like freak accident that happened to Cassie and the fact that he didn't feel compelled to tell Scott like yeah I'm letting her dabble in very experimental well so I think it's had a character for Hank Hank first of all he would he knows what it's like to be a fucking dad so he'd be like oh you want to do quantum shit you want a suit you want this you want that it's like speak to your father it would be that simple that's the kind of person Hank is but nope he just does it all behind Scott's back and Scott is such a spineless little shit he's like oh this is fun cool cool beans and it's just it's so annoying because it's especially with Scott he cherishes him all in anything the idea that he's like yeah go fuck around with the cops in an ant-man suit that's great end up just like your dad the life that I fucking regret getting put in jail yeah like it took me away from you but yeah go ahead just do it honey yeah it's really annoying but it sets up the plot so whatever well that happened yeah all you have to say is why didn't you tell me and then she says because you'd react like this it's like I'd react like this to you going to jail like yes you know what you predicted me on that one you got me so annoying I'm upset at this can you imagine and then like Hank is like I would have just broken her out of jail because we know that's that's healthy yeah that's just how that works yeah and the one thing that Scott says that actually does kind of work on this scene is like why is everyone so fine with this like everyone just seems chill with the fact she's regularly going to jail like oh yeah that used to be like a bad thing in movies yeah especially if you're an Avenger and this is going to be like front page news everywhere the daughter of what's his name Scott Lang is in going to jail all the time going to jail multiple times and not even father not even for like it's like graffiti or anything like that no like fucking around with the cops well the movie thinks the movie thinks it's no big deal at all because she's doing it all for a good cause so yeah we get shit fuck them whatever for the right well and funny enough his argument is like I get that you want to help people but you're wasting your life and I'm guessing he's referring to the fact that she'll spend lots of time in jail yeah I would say so yeah and in removing opportunities by doing that it's like oh you're it turns out that he was wrong because she was building like the quantum like Hubble telescope which he didn't know anything about why exactly he didn't know because she's able to do that secretly from him I guess it's just he has to be a genius like oh yeah I guess we can we're almost to that introduced is just there's a bit more to the conversation that drives me nuts we've kind of covered it but just to get the actual quotes it's you know he says that about wasting your life and then she says at least I'm trying to do something with mine which is like what man that's like oh if this was the 60s you'd get slapped so fucking hard hysterical did not sit down deny you got a different rage he says I literally saved the world that you have Hank being like did you you never mentioned that before hey this guy saved the world which is like okay yeah okay they did the same joke in Age of Ultron do you remember when Tony's like anybody remember how like I flew through a wormhole like saved Earth and never is like no no never mentioned it they just did the same joke again that's actually true yeah well at least in that one it's more of an awkward like yeah true you did do that so we should probably be a little bit less of a dick to you while in this scene it's shut the fuck up Mr. I saved the world yeah it's like what Janet even says Janet also says oh you should write a book about it this is where I mean I don't get it like the one that really annoyed me was hope saying it's pretty funny with Janet it's like dude they saved you from the quads of Rome especially after this movie it's been a shut up forever well maybe it's yeah definitely maybe it is a competition as to which quote is the worst cause hopes for me was the one that pissed me off when she says how was that for you Scott like as if what he did wasn't incredibly special yeah if any one of you saved if any one of you saved the world and just kept on bragging about it forever I'd just let you have it you get to have that one we're cool you can brag about it totally just keep bringing it up forever you want another beer by the way you want something to drink I'm very grateful you exist if you think about the context too right he's trying to say don't throw your life away by being in prison and then she says yeah well at least I'm doing something with it and he's like this feels weird I'm the guy who did the thing basically he did the most important thing ever like with his life and then everyone says like shut the fuck I'm shut the fuck yeah you shut the fuck it's like oh okay it is especially awkward when again Scott went to prison and he lost a lot of time with Cassie from that and it was his big motivator to become a hero was to make sure that like he could actually make her proud so if anybody is in any position to say you need to be aware of this and like the consequences it can have like he's really in a position to do that and so this is this is the quote that sort of brings it home about the whole book thing right because he's like yeah you're all welcome for not being dust and then she's like what do you do now find books aren't you the guy who broke into Vistacorp aren't you the one that went to Germany to fight Captain America that gets clarified of course to fight with him but the fact is that according to this character then all he's doing in his life is signing books that's it that's all he does all the time like it's like no that doesn't really or do anything else it's just it's just no way that doesn't make any sense why would Scott Lang just be signing books that's all he's doing no let's say he did you know what sign your books you saved the world a few times sign your books for a few years go ahead have fun enjoy the success that you've earned especially because you don't if something would happen and he's like hey Scott that's like shit going down can you like help out he was like fuck yeah I'm gonna help out well he does yeah he does actually mention that as soon as he's cold he'll be there yeah so it'll I think it's all confused in terms of trying to be definitive on what they because they know it would be too out of character to make him an asshole like that doesn't care about people that would be too insane but he's kind of there if his summary of his life is that he's signing books and that's it and I don't mean to be I don't mean that he can't do that and be a good person because you definitely can it's that it's just not the guy from from the MCU that's not what he would be doing he's he's he's like well Mr. must save people man a lot of them are yeah yeah I don't know um but the thing is like that's that's quite big right you've got we got to deal with the fact that she's fucking around with that man technology she's ended up in jail a lot all of them judge him for not doing enough almost quote unquote with helping people and so he says like oh yeah well you know what are you what are you three up to and they're like or he says like what are you doing and she says we are like save the world or make a difference and he's like who's we and it's like all three of us are making ant science and he's like I don't believe you and then they show him the thing and that conversation we just had is all gone nobody nobody has anything to say about any of those things anymore they're going to jail all the technology we gotta get on the plot the plot's happening now it's like so many deep-seated issues are there everyone's judging him for like his character the technology is bleeding out into like children almost and you've got her going to jail regularly how is this not something that needs to be talked about it's like no we got a cool thing to show you that lights up I hate that shit and it happens in these movies all the time and that's kind of this the sludge aspect I think when you're watching these you're like this shit again and it's like this is a different writer a different director but it's the same fucking format every time you just have that thing there and you just want to grab it's like explore it please and it's like no there's a funny joke also look at this new tech it's like no also there's a new realm stop just stay here for a bit and talk about it please scene opens where Scott is looking at ants they've made like an elevator there's loads of little lights coming up and he's like whoa you know what are they building are you doing this and he goes actually no they build their own tech pretty smart ants okay that's something we can introduce as a throwaway line and not address more before talking about what it means can I just say what a shit line of dialogue pretty smart ants they build their own tech pretty smart ants those are pretty smart ants we are in agreement yes chat you heard correctly he has an ant farm and they're building their own technology including elevators yeah chat you're not ready it's it's the kind of thing we just like I'm sorry rewind it's rewind time it's rewind when did ants advance from whatever comes before the first age in civilization all the way to the information era how is this happening gave them a little advice like here here's a little fire go nuts and they were like whoa they needed to come in civilization and you'd be like you could ask all of the questions you could ask every single question possible and the answer will every time will be pretty smart ants yeah those ants are they're pretty quick this is what we would call chekov's ants that's exactly what I called it as well chekov's ants keep them in mind these ant fellows they're going to be really important remember never set up pretty smart ants in the first act if you don't have them do do something pretty smart it would be super weird if they just showed up at the end and saved the day that would be really strange if only chekov knew how many jokes he would have facilitated for me wait several hundred no he's not that old he's not as old as Freudian hey look look leave me alone I feel like we're past that right we all accept it it's fine that's a factoid the ants they're real smart yeah they probably have guns already why not they're already having war inside the little ant tank do you think they've invented the pimpascal yet it's only a matter of time it's a little bit of time they'll get on to it they're just guys if ants get this smart we're in some trouble we're in trouble do you think they've made any cinematic universes oh god no they're not that smart no they're not that stupid they're too smart to bring me and see you they've got like a Kevin Feige wearing a baseball cap I think I said either to Ragsofring about this movie I was like the one thing that I will give is it's got a writer with slightly more brain power than Michael Waldron instead of leaving instead of leaving holes on the ground to be holes forever there's some lines that are like you know the kind of thing with a writer would suggest in the boardroom and then we're all like oh shit you actually want to put that in there that doesn't solve the problem that just makes it slightly better and he'd be like that's good enough now there's a question that everyone should have and that is Cassie was never involved in ant stuff what is going on why is she not only using all the ant technology and she's super familiar with it but she's also apparently designing something incredible related to quantum stuff when did this happen she was just a normal girl doing normal things she has nothing to do with ant stuff oh that it was a secret even from us even from the writers it was a secret that's how secretly she did it well she gives us a line she says when you were all gone those five years I read grandpa's old journals and I got really into the quantum realm alright well we get it everyone pack it up move on to the next thing you know all this stuff I learned it someone just said pretty smart girl so in the last crusade Indiana Jones and the last crusade I can believe that really archeologists like Indiana Jones and Elsa and people who are really archeologically minded could read the journal the diary figure out how to find the holy grail I don't think you could just hand that to any random person and then they'd be like oh yeah I found the holy grail cause I read the old yeah the grail diary we've already skipped a big problem Hank was hyperprotective of all of his information why could she just get his journals that's just how charismatic she was she was able to convince him to just no Rags he wasn't there well that's where you're wrong it's actually it's just like the framing device for the princess bride she was sick and so grandpa came in and instead of reading her a story book he read her his journals on the quantum realm and then she said oh grandpa can you come back and read it again to me tomorrow and he'll say as you wish and then he did that five years straight this isn't gonna be a kissing journal is it no unless you're talking about particles kissing you have to imagine she's 11 years old the blip happens she's screaming along with all the other children and then she's like oh no one of the people who blipped was my whole family on scotside and all the people I've met through that that sucks I'm gonna go to their house look around 11 year old again by the way and be like oh look at this journal about quantum physics this is interesting I'm gonna get into this inconceivable and it's like you shouldn't even have access to those but apparently that's how they're explaining it in that five year gap she just got super familiar with all of it cool what do the notes look like? do the notes build up a basic understanding of like physics and then build it up from there so that you can begin to because if you handed if you handed me a bunch of notes from like a Nobel winning physicist or like quantum mechanics what am I meant to do with that it's got all the steps along the way at the beginning it's got like basic mathematics addition and then subtraction just in case somebody who isn't me reads this building blocks of physics so that you can build up your knowledge from here it's in a multiplication complex then division things are starting to get a little bit difficult but we got this division if you handed like a 10 year old a book for arithmetic pretty small girl pretty smart girl she is the ants the ants are behind it all the ants did this the ants are like we need that 11 year old to get into the quantum realm which is where we definitely want to go so they stole the journal sometimes I wonder about like why they even bother if they're going to have the right in that shit that raygun you made that could zap intelligence into people grandpa and he's like yeah I found it and used it okay oh Jesus I hope it wasn't anything bad so something that I find a bit frustrating about the way that like the marvel cinematic universe looks now in terms of its characters it's like can we just have some like normal people who are like pretty good at some things no absolute genius they're good at pretty much everything and also they're insane geniuses on what they need to be especially when the characters who were brought into the world not on the merit of their abilities but on their connection to events in some other way like she's there because she's Scott's daughter that doesn't like mean she's not you see it reflected in Scott right Scott is a regular guy in a sense he was really good at stealing stuff and that's why he got embroiled in the story how many people are geniuses like what percentage of the population are like above 140 IQ 94% well let's see I mean obviously all the six of us are pretty smart pretty smart apes oh my goodness I can't believe I just read his journals and now I'm a fucking quantum insanely intelligent genius quantum physicist she's invented something unprecedented that when you understand it you're just like how could you invent that she creates something that Hank describes as essentially a subatomic Hubble telescope and she built it on her own and the goal of it is to map out the quantum just all of it really I was about to say quantum realm but I need you to understand she's planning to map out all of it so I'm curious how many people worked on the Hubble telescope like over the course of five new pretty smart well there was well there was Hubble well if Hubble had access to his grandfather's journal then it's just to put things to perspective like the Hubble telescope examined a very very small portion of the sky relatively speaking like in terms of the amount of space that there is to look at the Hubble telescope like was basically used to examine a very very very small portion of the sky and how much how many smart people had to work on that how much money went into the Hubble telescope as a project over the course of its lifetime well at least that's dealing with physics that we actually have familiarity with we actually yeah exactly it's like three billion dollars and one journal I picture like she zooms into like layer one of the quantum it's just goo and weird shit everywhere it's like all kinds of colors and she's just like alright yeah okay this is progress I am understanding this I can map this the Hubble space telescope was 1.5 billion just for the construction of the telescope and then the launch not including all the research and all the planning infrastructure and all the time and money that would have been dedicated to actually gathering and interpreting the information that it gathered wow that's almost that's more money than it costs to make rings of power whoa whoa that means it's way worse right? how many people are geniuses? number of geniuses I need to know you should have a number of pretty smart people so Forbes says that about one in every 250 people have an IQ above 140 which is generally where I think geniuses wow the chances of all of us getting together on one podcast that's insane it's astronomical how do we do it oh my goodness it's just everybody in the MCU it's every single person who ends up being relevant when some of the reasons why they're relevant is through their connections to other people just end up being really really intelligent and able to excel in a very specific field that would be relevant to plot points in the film you might call it convenient or a stretch or a whole but you'd be wrong because you mentioned the journal yeah I was all set up in Ant-Man 1 where there was a grandpa who had a journal well I think she mentions she can read or something so that's kind of a setup well we have to make a little bit of a leap and accept that she can read but once you do that then it really all just falls into place I think it's great yeah Janet is like wait why didn't you ask me about all this and then she's like I tried to mom but you didn't want to talk about it and I was like wait did you try to talk to her about yeah but that's not the same thing this would be the equivalent like if oh right why didn't you tell me you were working on this project if rags were on some movie set with some kind of misfire with a gun and it was a really awful horrible experience and then I'm like hey Rags let's talk about it and you're like no I'd rather not and then I invent a gun in my garage made of several guns at once it's incredibly dangerous and then one day I show him and he's like why didn't you tell me about this and I go well you just never want to talk about guns it's like no that's not the no because when you're talking about exploring the quantum realm as a concept with technology that's very different than tell us what happened to you in the quantum realm well because remember especially if you're making an invention yeah the goal with the telescope is to apparently map out the entire quantum realm which by the way I don't know I don't know it's like the universe multiplied by trillions oh that is low ball and I would say it's by a number that I don't even know how many zeros would be at the point doesn't it just keep going shrinking and shrinking and shrinking shrinking and shrinking forever do they know this at the time don't they think it's just some random place that's what Hank thought okay uh I guess the thing is that look alright I don't know quantum physics alright I have to imagine that if you try to map out what like the whole universe on a quantum scale I don't know man seems like impossible to me but hey I can be totally wrong well doesn't Michelle Pfeiffer say that there's nothing down there she says there's nothing but that's the that's because she's a liar she said there's nothing and would never talk about it which is insanely suspicious that would be funny she was like oh sorry see I was trying to build a telescope to map it but if there's nothing down there I guess I'll work on something else especially if you say there's nothing down there you were there for 30 years you survived came back and you won't ever talk about it it sounds like there actually is stuff down there that you're still talking about because you see I might be young but I know what lies are so I'm going to keep building this thing well I mean a pretty valid question you were there for 30 years what did you eat and drink we saw it in the opening she had some space micro water yeah like imagine Hank being like wait there's like subatomic water that's insane you tell me that there are like you might think there's life at that point if you were able to survive there for 30 years then other things could survive there for 30 years potentially even longer no but there's nothing just the fact that there are compounds that can actually form in a place that's smaller than quarks like isn't that it's not even that like who's saying that there's nothing and being awkward about it it's like okay clearly there's trauma here but we need the information love so think about everything that could change in terms of our understanding of science which is something that Hank explicitly says here in the film hey but at least there's no some incredible horrible monster down there that should be aware of so that's fine I mean it's a bit weird she's like traumatic about what at least that didn't happen right I have a question so I haven't seen the other movies was she down there for 30 years of earth time so time doesn't move any different she's older I'd have to say she's aged exactly the amount she was gone from earth time so it doesn't move any differently down there except when it starts except what it does is the ads of that gotcha so yeah he explains it's a thing that's going to be scanning all of the quantum realm and she's sort of chill she's like hmm don't think you should be doing that when you know for a fact that she should already be panicking with the information she has she told them there's nothing down there and they're mapping it out so they're about to find out there's well more than nothing she's going to be like no it's my secret oh and also this is a line worth noting Cassie says like if I built something like this or when you were gone I could have found you it's like well but I mean so wait did you get into the quantum stuff because you thought that you could you thought that Scott was dead like you thought he got dusted the only way to make sense of it is that they are fucking with our perception of time right now in terms of their hope I think they want us to kind of be like oh she got into it because that's how he disappeared it's like well she didn't know that she didn't know that because well and just like in terms of because remember when he went to the memorial they had his name on there as like one of the people who got dusted so I think it would save to assume that like she thought that he got dusted which means did she just get into quantum stuff just because she wanted to for no reason at all and then this is what I mean it's kind of like like it's cheating she's saying like if we had this when you were gone I could have found you and it's just like oh that's why she built it that's cool and it's like but she only knew to do that for what months if that that's how smart she is, pretty smart kid it's insane and it's the only way that they could justify it's like because think for a second that if she didn't have that reasoning why did she build this well I I guess just because she was interested in it because I fucking can dad well I think the best based argument you would make as well I mean her dad was involved in quantum stuff so maybe she wanted to carry on you know that even though Scott wasn't really a scientist Scott wasn't involved in it really at all but you know like I guess I just think that that's not as good when it comes to the opportunities you have as a writer but the problem was you can't change the history right like what happened why can't you just fuck with all of it that's a good point just do it pussy they need more balls through it's legitimately true in any case they're like so how does it work and she's like it sends a signal down collects data sends a signal back up and then Michelle 5 was like sends a signal she nukes it if you've seen the trailer you've seen that part and it's like what's the matter Janet and she's like it's time I told you a secret oh my goodness before she could tell them the secret oh no this crazy stuff happening with the machine it's just before it's just crazy because we haven't gotten to any of the insane insane insane insane stuff really annoying me that it's like none of this makes sense you guys you managed to keep it a secret from Scott that you were building this thing for no reason at all and you managed to keep it a secret from Janet because what you only ever asked vague questions like hey you know about quantum stuff she's like no okay imagine if you started with hey we're working on scanning the quantum realm we were going to ask you for some favors like if that was the question none of this would have happened none of this would have happened exactly absolutely not so annoying but whatever and yeah of course the big one we'll get more context on as we go Janet oh boy so they get the thing opens and it sucks them all into the quantum realm should we save it for later to talk about the mechanics of that for the mechanics once we find out who did it even though you don't get any additional information you literally just we could talk about it now okay so something that's what so they get shrunk down and sucked into the quantum realm but the big thrust of the film is that Kang doesn't have any means of basically growing to get out of it so you have the means to shrink them down but you don't have the means to grow yourselves up and how did you acquire the means to like grow them up how did you do that well with what you don't have pimp particles we do discover that it's modoc is behind this and I think that the film wants us to think like yeah he's familiar with growing and shrinking stuff isn't he but I mean if he's familiar with growing and shrinking stuff then what's the problem yeah why can't you grow why can't you grow that's a very good point I think there's some pills you can take for that that's true it's actually it's really not a big deal it happens a lot one in three men deal with that it's like going bald it's like it's fine nothing to be ashamed of one in three men are trapped in the quantum realm to hell that's true that's why you're trapped in the quantum realm so um yeah the total information is modoc hired by Kang to get pimp particles he's going to get pimp particles by shrinking down the ant family and dragging them into the quantum realm at random he does not know where they'll end up there's so many parts to that they're like how did you do any of that and all we get is he could detect the signal but then there's like scanning for at all times I guess so and also I guess it's a good thing that they sent a signal good thing that was them instead of anybody else imagine if it was some random scientist at like Harvard or something doing some crazy quantum stuff and he gets sucked down well and then that same guy fucking lads there's some weird alien eats him but that's it you know like and then that's the end of him how many scientists have unwittingly been sucked into the quantum realm and eaten by somewhere in some dark basement in the world there's all these all of these machines that had actually been invented years before and they just got sucked in and now they have to live in the quantum realm they can never come back if only they had grandfather's story yeah that would the idea that the protagonist group is the they're like the 30 thousandth person to do it they're just the ones where it worked out for them yeah so anyway anyway we need a new background new modoc welcome to daily modoc doc he's cringing look at him he's cringing this is a deep try here I go I'm cringing so let's compliment the movie here I go this is worth complimenting as the portal thing opens and they're all getting sucked in Janet is the first to lose a grip and fall in and they clearly show Hank spots that and drops himself to go after her and then Hope looks at Scott and then looks down at them and suits up and goes after them and it's like good good job just a little bit just a little bit of character but it's nice not only did you do something that wasn't total shit it was actually a character related thing that you did nicely it was really really simple as well it's just yeah I want to say that person it's like they stopped and asked themselves so what were these characters doing this situation and then after everyone else reels from the shock of that question being asked they do like actually think about it the character do what context what are characters are they going to make a joke is Iron Man going to show up it's like no stop I'll give him a few movies he'll be here great by Tom Cruise nice Cassie falls in and Scott goes after her as well woohoo we did a role in the quantum realm now but now we've already got a problem that's about to arise in this sequence well it's probably worth mentioning right every time we see anybody through that sort of environment they're always suited up yeah but I guess in this case it's all chill even though you're like trinking without a suit on you're fine you're cool yeah you see they are all shrinking without suits on much like Pandora the world seems to have become a lot less dangerous than last time we saw it it's so much more approachable accept hope easy to put character there something that uh I'd go for a medal no to mention that because the movie actually tricked me I didn't even make that connection that they were shrinking I didn't even cross my mind that's right that has to be shrinking because we're on the quantum realm yeah of course they are I don't know why I just didn't make the connection it's because the film doesn't really treat the quantum realm in a lot of ways as just a place that is where everybody is but smaller it almost treats it like it's in a separate dimension it's an alien planet it's basically an alien planet um but oh by the way the ants the super duper smart ants got sucked in yeah but they're not gonna show up in everybody else's they go somewhere it's very exactly it's super duper important but they're going somewhere else we'll see them later they're busy check-offing which is weird that they would I don't even know why you would say that they'd meet because even if they were like a millimeter off being sucked in that portal they would be thousands and thousands of miles away from everybody else good thing that the quantum realm is like the size of the state of Illinois like I thought it was New York he said it was like New York I figured I'm just gonna mix it up every now and then yeah comparable size states I think you're an inconsistently written character that's what I thought he's consistently inconsistent you wouldn't be we covered the whole no suits so they should just be dead thing but also the whole traveling down this amazing pool of all these colors happening and they go in like like shrinking every time like it's so funny we're talking about how they've done away with so much context of how that's supposed to work but when you think about the end of the film they just walk through a little portal also by the way they're just free falling into the quantum verse very fast and the only one who really can break the fall properly without any it's a shenanigans as wasp well and she grabs them yeah because what happens is aunt may he suits up and he catches Cassie and then like I think he grows big basically in like bands and it's like oh but you might still be like in serious trouble dude like you what is the nature of the distance that you fall in relative to how big you are yeah like are you not goo but also Cassie has a suit why didn't she put it on why doesn't Hank and Janet have suits they are like they're little like hockey pucks now that you can just put on your chest exactly if you can just put it in a little hockey park then why don't they all have one and then of course they age on and Janet are very well versed in the suits like they both were the same the same the same the same in the suits like they both were the original ant man and wasp and the age long question of excuse me like why doesn't ant man have wings why doesn't everybody why does he have wings because remember the biggest because this film discards a lot of like what ant man had before remember how like in ant man they actually did a lot in terms of playing with size and like the things that Scott could do because he could shrink down and grow back to normal size and then later on like growing really big and and more importantly leveraging ants to help him do things he's separated from his ant Civil War alone yeah exactly he's constantly gone big and small and big and small but like here he's got no ants so like what is he because the ants were how he could fly remember he had Antony and then he had a bunch of other ants but without them he is not ant man he is just man regular man remember when fucking Don Cheadle calls him regular size man I thought that was funny yeah I do remember that someone just reminded me in chat as well yeah Hank does have a suit in the previous movie he wears one but obviously that was plot relevant so never mind well I look here see here's the thing the person who mentioned that is the only person on the planet who remembers the point is just that not only if they actually they should have suits but they actually did have a character with that suit at that point it's just like why doesn't everyone have them they're fucking nanotech, hockey puck amazing not only are they good for like the whole shrinking growing thing but they're incredible for armor the amount they can block for no reason at all intense laser weaponry that's decades ahead of our technology can be blocked by these suits and at the same time he doesn't put any of their lasers on his ant man suit and it just doesn't do anything because that's right because hope has not just the wings she has blasters her suit is so much better I have it on good authority that hope is the thing with wings that is a poetry callback hope suit is way better yes hope suit is way better it's like a poem or something pretty small girl anyway, Janet gets you know they're all sucked in and they get split up you got two groups it's good old Scott and his daughter and little hope with little Janet and little Hank Hank in their way through little hope is so bad that's right it's that game right ew I guess it's theoretically a game it's like there you go we've gotten into the movie now this is the the fun part where we get to go to the quantum verse for an adventure is everyone excited and how long did it take I am very excited I think that's what I guess before I watch the movie that it would be like 10-15 minutes before that happened you can tell they don't want to waste time being in the normal world the stinky normal world would you rather why not just do something experimental why not just like start with them there and then explain how they got there through dialogue or something not even like expository dialogue maybe as can infer how they got there that could be fun that would be slightly unconventional though Jay well it's crazy to think that after seeing a movie like this that there is nothing unconventional about it as crazy as it seems to be actually the most generic Marvel film I think it's one of them yeah because like you could I could picture them being like what do you mean we took risks look at Modoc and you'd be like what the fuck was that yeah making me hear character a joke is such a subversive risk in an MCU film yeah as they travel through the Quantum Realm something that I did kind of like was like wow are we in a place where there's like zany wacky aliens and stuff like you never get to see this much in like Marvel everybody's a human but then it's like not all the important people are humans yeah for some reason like even ones who aren't like who are supposedly from there they just look human for yeah why and that would be I guess a smaller example for as much as you have like zany wacky aliens and these crazy backdrops and stuff like that and this apparently crazy civilization fundamentally the script is like it's so like common I guess you could describe in terms of like what its objectives are all of the set dressing is all that you could look at to try and say that this film is unique because fundamentally it's a very generic and safe like film yeah and so what it's trying to be yeah I thought basically everything in the quantum realm was horribly unimaginative overall it has like the veneer of alien yeah exactly it's just everything there's nothing unifying about any of it it's just the rings around tangs like um thing that kind of look like shang qi's like rings oh I didn't see that oh you're right that was the one I was asking you questions about yeah well I think that's all that you get by way of like ah see we're building something up what because one thing kind of looks like another thing is how important it looks like in marble at this point you know the whole like hope puts his suit on before she goes in why the hell didn't they make skull do that I don't know how he goes confused because I think they wanted him flying around super disoriented in the quantum realm for a little bit but he's he's not stupid though no he's not so but they wanted him floating around in the quantum realm he takes a while to actually he's like oh wait I have this disc in my pocket I should probably use it the film has a cap on how much you can have ant-man fully suited up it has a big old cap on that I was just thinking by the way all hope does in this movie is save people's lives I think that's pretty yeah in terms of anything and it's like you'd be like what's the criticism it's like no I mean it's just weird that's all she does she doesn't say much of anything she doesn't do much of anything she just saves lives even though she has she's a title character and eventually Lily has second billing but she's probably the fourth or fifth most important character in the film she's less important than Moodog yeah I think she's less important than Moodog she might because if you were to actually probably be ant-man then Kang probably Cassie or Janet would be like between those two and then you'd probably have Moodog and Hank might be more important than Hope was as well because oh because of all the ants yeah so she's what the seventh most of all of the characters you get billing in this film the only person who's less important than her is Bill Murray I think oh that's something we'll get too soon as well Jesus because if the ooze guy wasn't in the movie then jeez what a fucking mess we'd have oh we haven't gone to the ooze guy yet yeah so um yeah and that's the other thing by the way they we find out later Janet's suit has been fucking updated to nanotech in the past it was like so why doesn't she just fucking have it why doesn't she have her suit she had it when we met her in fucking out of the wasps she confiscated it from her imagine if she was so paranoid that she could potentially get sucked back down there again that she always has it with her to the point that it might even surprise Hank it's like wait what are you what are you so afraid of you know that could be an opportunity yeah well and that's the thing it's funny if they were all about to get sucked into the quantum realm and then you have Hank like shouted everybody like get your fucking suits on like we're about to die all of us like seems like a missed opportunity for the big final well potentially final ant-man movie to have all of the ant people you know yeah to have Hank and Janet and you can you know Michael Douglas doing all kinds of crazy shit because it's the whole suits on you don't need him doing almost seems like it would be worth because as I understand it Janet is very important in like Marvel comics like Janet is super duper important more so than she isn't and so is so is Hank as well because Hank created Ultron he was one of the founding Avengers I think Janet was one of the founding Avengers as well it almost seems like would be an opportunity to kind of like you know almost pay tribute to like how important those characters are in the comics but I guess they just didn't give a shit someone said one of them doesn't get their glove on in time and now they have a giant hand people imagine the whole film it's just Hank walking around with a giant hand talking about the payoff of having the ant sort of family it's like why was their payoff of the classic ant man and the new ant man both like punching someone dude imagine if he had his suit and it looked like the classic ant man suit like the original one with the antennas on top and then you have like Janet as well just seems like a good opportunity to just be like look at the ant people working together all five of them well yeah well I know it seems kind of lame to not have like Michelle Pfeiffer kind of well I guess she gets a little bit of an action scene yeah well anyway we have a really awesome joke they're walking through the quantum verse got all ant man and his daughter and he's like it's okay it's okay it's okay we're okay we're okay it's gonna be okay and she says you're saying okay too much and he goes okay all right okay well it's because we're okay I feel like Paul Rudd is working really hard to inject his natural charisma into this charisma script it's the dot dot line face I think the whole audience had with that one it's like all right yeah well like I mean it sounds like we all had a similar experience of very few laughs because one of the ones that got laughs was that spider-man one and there's one more that's coming up soon that was the other one that got like a real laugh and that's it more or less sometimes you wonder like was that oh shit that was a joke and it's like Jeff you wrote Vat of Acid which is really funny why'd you do this to us it's unharmed wasn't it then you go I mean it's getting harder it like because it's the same with jessica gals she wrote people shit on pickle rick but pickle rick is a good episode and she wrote she wrote I thought I said pickle rick you could have but I swear you said have you seen the meme where he turns him over as a pickle and he says I turn myself into a domestic abuser it's like not so inappropriate anyway there's another amazing joke a woman got punched for that joke so you better laugh that's what we call edgy humor and rick and morty will probably not have much of it anymore well actually won't people are saying like it's going to lose its heart and soul and it's like it hasn't really been but as it sounds like he hasn't been involved for years it sounds like dan harmon was really the creative voice behind that show and that's also putting some I mean to some extent right the contributions of those writers some of whom have gone on to write shit like surely they brought something to those projects plus all the animators and artists and everything it's like it's a big production we shall see well I mean I don't care anymore I'm not interested in that show then you got the joke of it's like we're camping we love camping because we've never been camping we've always talked about it that's another one of those good old marvel jokes isn't it just kind of like shitty like camping like we always talked about you know that could be better dialogue we're finally camping we're finally doing the thing we set it up earlier with like a reference to it maybe um cause we really felt like we're walking across this thing we've gotta tell a joke maybe to if they've never been camping before I don't believe he would say we love camping you know it just doesn't make sense yeah also that well his life doesn't make sense yeah he said that at the beginning and the end he says the world doesn't make sense got me there so then a giant sun jellyfish attacks ant-man yeah yes that just happened modoc is like I'm a dragual here to get what I want and it's like hopefully you won't get killed by the many many many many hazards in the form of the environment and the creatures of the world you know I read like it he nearly just gets fucking outed by a jellyfish thing and it's just like I don't know why he didn't die to be honest with you I don't know why his suit is able to defend itself against that thing it looked like it was actually really hot and fiery but he's just kind of gets grabbed and then he's just yate and it's gone I wouldn't want to get touched by it and then it gets eaten by like a giant manta ray and then it starts coming for them and they're like oh god run run run and she's still this whole time doesn't turn his suit on why I don't know when ant-man goes huge to defend it it wasn't in grandpa's journal you could you could you consider a life-threatening situation and she in a light-threatening situation later goes huge like why isn't she doing that now why isn't she doing that we're saving that for later well the giant creature nearly kills them but then it gets lasered and blown up by quantum people so the head man the guy it's kind of lucky they're there I guess because you think this place is pretty big no it's that's not very big it's even bigger than it's basically like space on steroids almost like you get that idea I just when she says like oh my god there are quantum people I just like sigh and I'm like what does that mean of course there are big for that to be people in the quantum room why are they all basically nothing basically nothing about it is really all that different from the regular earth and space well yeah because they're all humanoid more or less gravity works the same oxygen works the same I like the goons they like made an effort to actually make them look like things that are small and then just some of them are human though it's like yeah it's just everything is thrown in they were vaguely like cell-like or they look like like little viruses and bacteria and parameciums it's just really lame I don't know it is a pet peeve of mine in like science fiction stories it's like I like aliens and I like to see aliens be like major characters in the story it's one of the fun things about mass effect is that you have like a team of aliens who are part of your squad and who when playing mass effect is like yeah man like garrus you know garrus is alright but what was it Caden like oh yeah he's the he's the real interesting yeah or Ashley like nobody no don't you remember Jacob yeah exactly it's like everybody likes the black guy whose father would rather stay stranded on a planet than go to his son don't you remember the broad point is that one of the things that was cool about mass effect was that the aliens were like prominent characters who were important and that the alien civilizations had their own story going on that had nothing to do with humans like that humans in that world are important but they're not like the center of everything that everything revolves around god forbid other things happen that don't have to do with humanity it's everybody likes chubacca and it's like yeah he's like an alien who's hanging out going on adventures with everybody it's like I just like having some fucking aliens just be like major characters in a story they're broccoli head like yeah but he's just there he did for two seconds yeah of all of the quantum people that they need all of the important ones are people because you got Bill Murray you got the lady and then you got the mind reading guy but like all of the other crazy aliens are just there for little throwaway jokes they don't get to be important you don't get to have an alien be like an important character it's lame yeah I really yeah I definitely enjoy that certainly in oh sorry door carry on so it is one of those like do I even bother trying to figure this out Hank even says like oh my god this changes everything we know about like life and evolution it's like yes it does Hank it does but who cares right but then again does it if it's its own secret realm or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be it has to yeah we have rules and understandings about like how all the systems we currently use biologically came to be how the fuck are they down here oh okay yeah and imagine thinking about cause there's got to be quantum realms in each people imagine that it's like oh I've got like a whole sentience of civilization living on like my pinky finger you know like that's got to change everything surely the thing is I'm confused now what the quantum realm actually is do you just go to the same quantum realm when you go somewhere else but just in a different place it's presented if I like that it's just a couple of cities and a few like fields yeah and free all shrink hardcore where we are right now we'll all end up in the quantum realm and we can all visit each other and like fucking Bill Murray's restaurant I guess it doesn't make sense we should be further apart than ever before yeah yeah cause you're smaller than ever before this movie is an unfathomable fucking distance as well yeah this movie thinks that the quantum realm is just outside of space and time not a very small part of it beyond time and space even though it has space and time in it I hate that she combos that up with underneath our universe beyond time and space like if it's beyond time and space got nothing to do with our universe at that point because she says it's beneath it's like well no it's in it like it's in the universe they use that line from the previous films well that's what like that's how Hank describes it I think is it's like beyond time and space that line is the previous film we've got to carry it over but they don't actually do anything with it like the quantum realm is very much just a tangible realm that you can touch and works pretty normally time and space seem to work pretty consistently in it what we see in the first outman is that when he is in the quantum realm it's just this weird place with a bunch of these like weird shapes floating around like it does seem to actually be a place that is um confusing and odd whereas here it's like oh there's like just people living their lives and like the passage of time and everything like day and night seemingly you know it's just a planet from guardians of the galaxy like that's the whole that's all it is pretty much that's what it feels like it's got more floating shit yeah but that doesn't make any sense because gravity works the same for everything else except for random rocks sometimes shut up yeah um so yeah catching up with the other team like they dodge a thing I don't really care to talk about it I just want to move on to when she's like um they're like hey what the hell is going on you said there was nothing here there's clearly loads of stuff here and then she says we don't have time to talk it's like yeah you do I swear to god if I was one of the characters there I would not accept no as an answer I'd be like you better fucking tell me what's going on I don't care if you literally have to melt to tell me what's going on I don't know what your like your hangups are or your trolbor is just tell me what the fuck is going on fuck is going on here in this world and it takes like it takes like another half an hour in the movie until she actually tells them what the heck is going on it's insane I don't have time just sum it up I'm trying to pretend there's a couple of um Darth Vader Kenobi level lines in this in this movie you know the you've come to destroy me thing that are just so funny and she says why didn't you listen I told you to stay away from here it's like no you told us there was nothing here yeah why you shouted us like that you didn't say fuck oh yeah you avoided the whole cover fuck you like what are you shouting us for this you just been neglectful and now it's cause loads of problems and you could be like hey she's angry and stressed it's like I know I know it's just fucking lame lame lame dialogue wouldn't it be great if we can see the way that angle would affect her character and no shut up she's angry it makes sense for her we don't do character with it look we have the scene where they got sucked into the quantum realm that's your character it's done we finished it and then of course this is what I mean about there's so many lines like this like we shouldn't Hank know about all of this and so he says I studied the quantum realm for basically my whole fucking life I haven't seen any of this and then she's like you couldn't see through the void or the subatomica okay the what the things I just described and was able to see through in five years just reading your journal yeah his daughter cracked it remember she wasn't working on it for five years she she started working on it when Scott was back I guess because that's the way that they justify it so cool she cracked it real quick there old man smart girl and yeah there's a world here time and space beneath ours I was like Jesus Christ of course it is but yeah her saying the void and the subatomica I think these are the void is where Ant-Man ended up in the first film when he went super small and subatomica I'm assuming is where she was when she met Kang I had her and then there's the quantum realm below that or whatever I agree Mahler exactly I feel this way too I am like what the fuck is the when she said you couldn't see through the subatomica I was like shut up shut your mouth what even is that so yeah editing fun Ant-Man and his daughter for some reason they see the quantum people there's three of them one of them shot a laser it's like oh jeez and they grab him up and take him away and you're like oh he's Ant-Man yeah do something he's in his suit he can go small and big he can do whatever he wants to him he can jump tap oh well I guess he's cool and it cuts to him being dragged around and being like where's Cassie yeah where is Cassie why are you arriving at different times they capture at the same time what happens that's so dumb and then he sees her in the distance and she says dad drink the ooze yeah don't say what the ooze does just say drink the ooze this is like no I did did anyone else assume a translation ooze no I have no idea what why would I assume I was about to say I did I thought it was going to be translation ooze but only because it's a movie yes purely meta there's no reason for it to be but yeah it's super annoying because I was immediately like she should be saying dad the ooze translates all this to English I can't believe they found the dumb version of the little babblefish from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy yeah the babblefish is like this is clearly supposed to be dumb but on some level it makes sense in a way it's a fish in your ear whoops out words you understand essentially this is just drinking ooze and I'm like whatever you didn't even try well here's another question why do they have this for what so they can all understand each other and is it specifically just him hang on the thing is when they all chant a thing when we're still in the position we can't understand them they all chant the same thing that's a good point so they clearly speak the same language and now they have some random that's actually a really good point in terms of attention to detail what Scott should hear is like they all chant different languages they all chant the same thing so they all speak the same language so why are they have translation ooze so what you're highlighting is a mistake Mel it's just a mistake that they thought it does seem to be a mistake because I think they would agree like oh yeah they should be all doing that differently but it sounds cooler when it goes from to drink the ooze I would have thought it would be way cooler it would be complete madness and then it just yeah I think you're right yeah if it was just chaotic horrible monster noises and then it all clears up into drink the ooze I guess it's also a really good thing that their lips start matching the words too that's a psychedelic psychedelic effect that's actually a thing translation stuff in general it should always be like a delay if you would do a completely accurate yeah it's like it would be a lot funnier I don't know why they didn't do that that would be funnier if the whole movie was like that would probably be a nightmare to watch though I feel like really weird how many characters who are from the quantum realm who get that many lines would be like a thing for five minutes wouldn't this movie where they all have like weird different languages they all just go nuts they lost the ability or at least they didn't take opportunity to have scenes that weren't really from the point of view of the characters but were sort of establishing shots or when they meet with Bill Murray later spoilers when you're kind of on the camera sort of at the table as if it's from the perspective of all the characters there they can understand everyone but it like pulls out to maybe a shot of the whole bar and then it's just weird noises that we hear and then when it goes back to the character's perspective then we can understand the words again that would be a thing that would have been a thing so I was thinking about why he gets separated from Cassie and I feel like the only reason is that she can be like drink the ooze dad and he can go what? I've already done this you just gotta trust me he gave it to me real quick there's several instances of characters having a chance to say a thing and they don't say the optimal thing they say the mysterious thing it fits in to me with the idea that she doesn't really have anything to learn he has the arc to go on she's already cool how nifty would it be they obviously know these outsiders don't speak the language they gesticulate a bit where they give them the ooze a goblet of it or whatever and they point to the ears or the mouth or something and try to be like drink it so you can sort of hear it one of the human characters drinks it in front of them and then hands it to them like here this is for you it's not like the weird liquid from Indiana Jones and the temple of doom that turns you evil just drink it it's fine the way that they do it is so incredibly inefficient and nonsense but it's funny it's like a ceremony it's like this huge thing they put in them everyone's excited it's like why it's a religious ritual you see later when the other three in the bar there's a little shot of the ooze and it's fine they just pour like a leader of ooze in Scott's face it goes everywhere it's just wasted we did it with rags when I did it with rags oh my they force his mouth open they got this big jug of literal nanoverse goo that could be anything and they pour it in and it's like he still has to swallow you can do a thing when your mouth is filling up with stuff you can just not swallow madness I don't even think they close his nose Scott always swallows whenever something goes in my mouth I swallow if it's good enough to go in the mouth it's good enough to go all the way but it's super specific about that he's just like well may as well swallow really dude I think that's the reason why they split Cassie and him up I don't think they want to show us how they held down by possible people getting ooze poured in her face it's luched in the face by the ooze man mmm it's good I see what you mean dad I swallowed the ooze it's like you did what then in the new country for 10 minutes for starters I think it is already kind of lazy that they just have an ooze that means everybody speaks English now but even beyond that I don't think there's any meaningful difference paid to try and distinguish between how people communicate down here or different cultures you know everyone basically communicates like a human it's kind of the most annoying thing they were clearly inspired by something like the cantina and star wars as everybody is but nobody ever seems to remember what that is the collection of different cultures all coming together in a watering hold for transport exchange smuggling all kinds of things right it's like a hot spot or at least one of many but this is like that but there's no places everyone's from everyone's from here yeah why is everybody completely different I don't know it's a very diverse group you know you think there might be one sort of civilization or different civilizations you know it's a very well take for instance right cause we don't even explain the mechanics to this like what is this goo everyone's drinking you'd be like well maybe it's a goo they invented that can you know translate or whatever but it's like no it comes from one of the alien guys that there only seems to be one of and he keeps referring to it as like did you drink my ooze it's his ooze comes from him and so it's like wait so if he didn't evolve to just be here the one of him does nobody get to speak to each other yeah and then of course the most important question I have to ask did MoDoc drink his ooze yes did Kang where's that steam see in my head can and they have like like a facility where they enslave a lot of these goo people and just take their ooze for their usage it's a price of civilization free the goo pool I don't get it I don't get any of it it doesn't make any sense it's super duper hyper lazy it's the memory store just with a different thing and the more you think about it the way is to guess I think this goo is generated by that one alien I call him an alien he's he's actually not an alien he's from Earth it's true he's an earthling I don't know he's called Bab Bab yeah so fuck it that's done now this is the other joke I laughed at in this scene yeah I mean I was actually gonna say it goes back and forth between the A and B plot but we'll go back to hoping others later you laughed when he said did you drink my goo no I laughed not when he was like do you have any holes when the other guy's like he has seven holes and then there's a pause and you're wondering what's gonna say next and he's like that's right and suddenly you realize that he was counting the holes in his head that's the movie's joke that's the best joke in the whole movie that's the part of the movie I enjoyed that got a laugh in my cinema it did get a nice laugh and it's kind of a clever joke it's like you're almost catching up with him it's like oh yeah well because to most people seven sounds like a lot and then you're like oh yeah no it is okay how many does a vagina count as just in general one or two three I guess two I could say go in either way maybe just a matter of subjectivity I don't know can't be objective discuss it in the comments comments but yeah that's the reason why that joke did seem to come across as working because a lot of people will do the same thing and as soon as jay put it you realize what's happening it's like good job and you get that spark in your heart of like man entertainment you know I like entertainment it's pretty cool pretty good the whole movie had jokes of that quality I would probably have enjoyed it I hate to do this but I don't think the joke works too well though no I don't think it does either most if not 99% of the creatures in this world have seven holes oh yeah there's all the humans there shouldn't be humans everywhere and so why is Veb so fascinated when he's got the most boring amount of holes well the guy even quite a quasi well to be fair the guy didn't quite point it out he says a lot of us have holes he didn't say all of us have seven oh yeah maybe the humans say like don't have buttholes or something maybe because worms yeah they're like two holes there's just one on each end so who knows what kinds of creatures and holes there are here he's just a whole appreciator he seemed amazed that he had holes at all which is strange yeah it is strange if there were all goo people here it would solve so many problems if there were all goo people like that guy it would be such an improvement I think that this got a little cringe as well because it felt like do I say stale rick and morty humor where it's like holes yeah like oh you have such interesting holes guy in the background let's torture them no we're not going to torture them why are you here are you a spy let's torture them stop saying to torture them and it's just like I get it lots of people are saying things and there are lots of goofy zany wacky things it's like a rick and morty joke if it wasn't revised and edited and tweaked that's how it comes across to me yeah it's like the first draft of a rick and morty joke I find them annoying as comments as well because are you a spy we should torture them it's like both of you are redundant you have a mind reader right there yep oh yeah as soon as they established a mind reader I was just like well this scene is going to have awkward and dramatic things for no reason at all now and he's like who is San Francisco I think that was supposed to be funny nobody is just dead in my audience just like yeah I was just like okay because that's almost like not that shouldn't even be a joke really I mean you make sure you wonder what he's reading from his head because if he's reading like maybe we've got to get back to San Francisco and then he's like who is that but it's like why would you assume it's a who why would you think that way anyway you would probably think I want to go home I want to go back to San Francisco the city I live well yeah but that's not even the main part he wants to fight, he wants to reunite with the others first as well right but yeah then tryhardlady arrives who come from above like him so he is hunting you and he will burn the world to find you and they're like like who and she goes the conqueror it's so edgy I hate her, she sucks oh yeah, me too by the way I'm assuming I'm not alone here in saying that the favor is Vab, like yeah he's such a little goofball who's trying to have some fun he makes jokes about polls I like his design too and I like that in the action-packed scenes he's doing his wibbly wobbly run and he's probably the closest thing to what we were talking about earlier like an alien having an actual effect or relevance because everyone has to be humanoid and arguably he's humanoid but you know I think he's pretty alien he's more alien than most other things in this supposedly alien place in this realm that redefines how we understand life it's worth mentioning we cut back and forth like fucking five times and this is the scene it's like scene two in this area where she says he is hunting you and he will burn the world to find you this lady, that's when she says it it's about 20 minutes later that she says this again and demands that they leave because of it, it's so fucking annoying she's lame, but we'll get there if we go back and forth or not, we just stick with the ant-man stuff I guess we can sum up pretty quickly she's like we need a transport to get to my old friend and a bunch of like randoms arrive rags, I think you just like they're gonna do the thing where he's super intimidating or whatever and then they're like we're totally friends and you may have thought for a moment you were wrong but then you were right they killed each other, no it's such a cliche it's boring as fuck it's also again very very convenient that they just stumble across people she knows she knows everybody there they make a joke about that it's kinda weird, what are the coincidences in the quantum realm that you just landed next to these people quantum realm is very small clearly, you're right, it is very small it's like a street really she bumps into them all and you might think at first we'll have to go from it from her POV she knows that these guys will be her friend as long as she can prove she can still fight them in one on one I guess and so hope is like getting ready to fight Hank is worried and what does she say to them like stay back or something let me handle it or something like that what the fuck are you doing what do you need to tell them I gotta fight this dude and if you try and fight them they'll kill you so let me just don't but the thing is when she starts fighting them they have a reaction shot of hoping and it's like no hope would put a mask up, go wasp size and fuck up the guy that's what hope would do but you can't show that cause that would fuck everything up so nevermind in any case she wins they're traveling at incredible speeds through the the verse whatever it is and like diving down and stuff and they're all just sort of hanging on it's kind of like I think all of them would probably be dead from this technically they're hanging, they're traveling phenomenally slowly not relative to them shut up relative to you maybe relative to these nodes yeah they arrive at place and Hank is like there are intelligent beings down here this changes everything about life, evolution in our place in the galaxy holy shit that guy's a broccoli that guy's made of broccoli extremely funny yeah it's just kind of like you can't just sad staring at the screen it's broccoli the funniest thing you could think of for a character to look like and distract Hank holy shit that guy's made of cum it couldn't even eyes just hearing him say cum would have been funny but they couldn't pick something like oh he's a Volkswagen logo or oh he's a I don't even know they look like Jeff Goldblum which is way funny oh yeah it's an alien that looks like Jeff Goldblum but it's just Jeff Goldblum saying hi and then that's the scene I don't know it's something I would have laughed that's the really dearly episode isn't it Jay? it is memory yeah she just says drink those with the shots of the ooze and you're like does Veb supply this restaurant with ooze? that's what it meant I think it's just Veb's people I guess well that doesn't mean there's not more we only see one spotlight head man that's my whole issue is that there seems to be just one of everything there's so bad faith Mahler we already established all their juice to the bars of Quantamaniaville we already established we've seen the street of Quantamania that's all this is there's nothing else street of Quantamania but in any case I don't know about you but if I got moved to this place and then she was like drink these might tell me what this is by the way oh sorry no that's it okay first she knows the language apparently to get one of these ooze thingies well I guess she lived after 30 years and also she apparently needs to drink one as well I guess that that doesn't hold on forever the ooze wears off oh my god so it's Veb right he has to just be persistently supplying yeah he's loaded dude I mean yeah he's probably rich no wonder he wants hold unless he's a slave he might be a slave that's why he wants to the revolution so that his people can be free and they can go back to the old days where no one fucking understood each other at a time so they start asking her about what the fuck's going on and Janet says well like I was a freedom fighter voices like you were free to fight and she says or a terrorist depending on who you ask I thought it was such a weird line considering it's everyone in the quantum realm versus Kang MoDoc and a bunch of robots so why would you say like according to them I'm a terrorist really are there Kang sympathizers here in this world I guess there probably would be one or two or three or four exactly is that what Bill Murray is he's part of the Kang Kang Kang we have no idea why Bill Murray is doing what he does and he only implies that there's a very good reason for it he's just said Kang's persuasive that's it but like that could mean so many things but we've decided he's evil what if they have his daughter no I guess you guys couldn't relate with the whole you know doing things cause they got your family I just mean like that's exactly what our man does in this movie he works for him to save his daughter so you know what I mean but we're like no Bill Murray's evil fuck him getting me thrown around by an alien or whatever I don't even know what happens to him the tentacle like moves him over to the right and then he just isn't part of the movie anymore well it's poetic justice cause earlier he ate one of those things but now a big version of the thing eats him it clearly doesn't eat him maybe it can be ate him off screen because that's what all of us thought exactly what would happen but they just didn't do that and instead he just sort of goes off to the right and like I don't know yeah maybe he didn't maybe he's just old and he's gone I assume they didn't want to show up why are you dragging around the mode on I'm gonna have nightmares every time I click back to this tab I see a big modoc face staring at me I have the six little modoclets down below he's about to be in the story by the way we're almost there I have the stream window on my big television there's a huge modoc face staring at me at all times now beautiful okay so yeah you have another weird... so he arrives and he's pretty chill he's super civil and apparently he's the one that's going to help us be able to save Scott right and so he says oh you must be hope she talked about you every day and then she says strange she didn't talk about you at all why would you say that why are you being a prick it's one of hope's three lines of the movie and I just wonder why they had to say it I don't understand you get so few lines we have to make her more of a cunt I think when we're watching this it's like but why? what did you achieve by doing that are we supposed to... I think the writers think that's a clever thing to say well they did mention you but the thing is Bill Murray recovers it he's like well you know what I wouldn't have talked about what we got up to anyway you know like in a normal civil conversation where someone's an asshole to you and you try to recover the fucking atmosphere you're like hope you're tanking it you know I just don't know the point of that line was exactly maybe it's to imply like mum you should have told us more about what was happening here asshole but it's like that's probably something you should bring up to her not to imply to him that he wasn't worth talking about yeah it was much more directed at him yeah for some reason I guess back to back to Ant-Man Reading Thoughtsman says they don't know anything about anything and I thought that was fascinating I was like you don't care to find out anything about the world above no I really not you just not give a shit about any of it even though wouldn't they be affected by the blip that's the question no this is outside of space and time oh fuck off outside of space and time that doesn't make sense it's not funny that doesn't make sense about being outside of space and time and just like having a normal movie just generally all of it no yeah none of them seem to give a shit they're all like really excited when they arrive and then as soon as they find out they don't know anything about Kang send them away these are your first visitors from like upper earth but okay yeah the place that Kang is from which is by the way a reason for them to be panicked that's what they make clear by the fact that they're from there because he'll be here soon yeah they clearly understand the significance of the place they're from and then you have whoa is that building alive and then Vebs like yours are dead and uh we're never alive in the first place so they're not dead either I get the jerk we've already seen loads of normal buildings in this world yeah yeah it's like again Kang there's a whole bunch of dead buildings we see them get killed in the movie too so you must be able to have dead buildings I guess they feel weird about living in those ones or something well Jay do you feel bad about living outside of a skeleton I don't live outside a skeleton yes you do no my brain is where I live and that's inside the skeleton that's actually even worse is it yeah that's even creepier I think both of those things are morally neutral each and every one of you you live inside of a skeleton I think that it's morally neutral so you live in your skeleton rent free is what you mean to say no I pay rent I gotta feed this bitch I don't know what you're talking about I miss things gotta eat and shit man oh and I got like mental breakdowns oh man so annoying I've always liked the whole flash mac thing but the skeletons watch mac if you die your flesh just opens up your skeleton pops out like from a little mac or something oh god it's cold out here so there we get another example of just this hideous dialogue that I absolutely hate Scott says look we're just trying to find our family do you have a map all we want to do is go home and then try hard turns around and goes at least you have a home I'm so cringe Jesus I'm sorry I swear to god if I was there I'd be like what does that have to do with what he said like what is with you I'm sorry but I think I don't know I don't know you exactly you could be a psycho terrible person maybe the conqueror is like a really stand up guy oh that's no one with a nickname like the conqueror would ever actually be a good person but that's his enemies calling in that actually rags all people have perfect perception of reality that's true wasn't he called Mr. Rogers the conqueror or whatever he was a pretty cool dude Bob Ross the conqueror I think that's he's a real chill guy so yeah I disagree dramatically with this yeah she goes on to say he burned our homes he will paint the rivers red with blood you gotta paint some red little rivers here I'm gonna make some happy little rivers oh a happy little red rivers don't ask about their full off it's not important but it's important that you have and join yourself don't worry about it she says he burned our homes our stories he burned your stories really weird to say that your stories like your libraries specifically he really burned, he really hated why why though especially what we learned about Kong or Kang later it is a moment right you mean your histories not the actual books but the knowledge of who you are as people is that what you mean it could be a cool line to visualize if you had something like world building and you had a character who you know you find out the culture perceives like the city they built as like being representative of their histories and their stories and then you go back and watch it it's like oh I understand that line now you rewatch it it's like no actually it's just a strange line no it's a strange line she says he built his citadel on the bones of our people and I was like he just asked where he is that's all Jesus Christ woman that doesn't seem like a very secure foundation have you ever seen poltergeist I don't know if that's like gonna work I'd love to see a comedy a comedy about this a comedy with this character where she then goes on to the next person he's like uh yo uh I need to go to the bathroom where is it and she's like let me tell you about Kang at least you have a bathroom hey she's like and I'll have you know that you know gears may not seem important to you but entire wars have been fought over now she'd say something along the lines of ah you seek a relief that my heart will never know at least you have seven holes at least your bladder is full unlike my thirst for vengeance beautiful lines your bladder is full yeah she says we uh ever said that she says we gather who we can to fight never enough and um before you can even comprehend any of that insane nonsense and repeat the question because she didn't answer it fucking Cassie is like we should help them we can help and it's like shut the fuck up what the fuck are you talking about woman anything and then this is why it's so painful and man Scott Lang he's like we don't know how time works here we don't know if we're passing time like further now than we are up there all the problems that happen without with earth we don't know whether these people like the fucking we don't know these people you actually don't even know if they're the good guys or bad guys in this conflict we don't know what the fuck bone citadel and you open your mouth and you need to chill this we don't know what this place is we don't even know if we're hallucinating we don't know uh if we're dying we don't know if we're safe something could have been in that weird pizza alright that's all I'm saying and then we don't know where Hank and Hope and Janitor and then the last part that's really important he says like you may never see your mum again like she's still on earth we don't know if we're traveling like a thousand million years per second or some shit here it's like he's he's appealing to the idea it's like you remember this happened to me and it stole the most important years of my life from you like you for me like I'm trying to get you back to your mum as well as all the other things and then she just says don't use that as an excuse you just don't care yeah it's like fuck off fuck you wanna slap it but the film was like yep she's right yeah especially the whole thing where they don't even know if they're the good or bad guys immediately had to think about God of War 2018 and Ragnarok where they have this long ass setup where it's like we need to help them and because like well we don't know who good or bad people are here or if they even are any and then you get the pay off all the way back at Ragnarok when it's like wait I thought we helped the good people but the guys are still war and it's like well it's not that easy well you mean like the opposite of Wonder Woman yeah we helped the good people and now it's over I think that would be a really cool thing to explore here as well where she just kind of learns like hey you probably need to wonder like hey maybe you're not actually on the good side here right now but no we everyone just accepts like no no it's a conqueror we all know he's bad don't worry about we're fine he says when she says you don't care he says I do care but it's not our fight and it's like that's not even that like it's not that the other points you made were way better I don't understand anything about this place we need to leave it's all the stuff he already said that was all perfect and then he changes it to it's not our fight it's like Scott no that's not exactly yeah the theme barging in and fucking up the dialogue and then asshole says she's disappointed in you by reading minds and I think what I was watching I was like so inappropriate they're talking to each other at the moment stupid because it's stupid to be fucking disappointed saying what I said and then unethical get the fuck out of our heads asshole yeah get the fuck away piece of shit but he just he just like I can't believe it would be seen as fun and cool to just turn up and tell people what's going on in people's brains like get the fuck away from me like you'd be the most unpopular person here right Lee value the freedom that they have in their own mind and the privacy of their own mind and yeah this guy is just like whatever high ball was the bad guy I don't know if they remember all right well well they didn't play God of War right that's what they needed they needed to play Ragnarok oh wait we need to rewrite this guy whoopsie just just keep all of that in mind right everything we've said and then in the middle of conversation they mentioned Janet and then try hard says van dyne she shouldn't be here just like oh god what's about to happen now and then she basically says like if you're looking for Janet then that means he's looking for you yeah you said that they said that at the beginning they said if you're from the surface he's looking for you it's like well if they're looking for you if you're looking for Janet well he's definitely looking for you it's like what more said than before now he's looking at us more fuck it out anyway back over to Bplot they're like what is the editing it's really choppy as fuck this portion because you're just like why aren't we staying with okay fine and um bill Murray is like I totally forgot you call yourself humans up there and then oh are you not human and he goes not technically but yes in the ways that matter what does that mean alright that is a very complex discussion that this film is not ready to know I thought the idea was that they would try to make the joke of him saying yes no because they can't answer that question they just don't know how not technically but yes yeah why even bother with that what does that accomplish it just makes everything more confusing oh I know I understand the joke that he's talking about that he has he can fuck with the I'm talking about like the actual realities of are they human yeah it's a stupid joke though I don't like it so um he just makes you wonder but yeah then he gets all serious on us and he says to Janet you left all of us with him you didn't tell them about him did you anything about what you did how many people died because of you does your family even know who you are and then it's so funny he says all of that and it's like super interesting and they just cuts to hope and she goes you're a liar alright then thank you for that input randomly can you please stop making everything worse all the time it's just like oh what did you achieve with that hope you're a really little liar dude nice yeah and so we're getting more and more of the story I'm gonna leave it for a little bit still the Janet history until she gets to her exposition dump we can talk about it then sure in any case he's like Kang knows the way the other people are and he sent his hunter hope goes what kind of hunter what hunter you have no clue about anything right now I know when we were watching this movie you're in this weird place with weird people you don't know what the hell is going on or what's happening nothing is familiar of all the questions that you're getting inquisitive about it's the nature of the hunter that is being sent after you I feel that is a pretty good question to have I guess the problem I have with it is that she has just no bearings on anything the fact that she would pick out of everything that's been said what kind of hunter the reason she's saying it is because it can set him up to say modoc basically yeah it feels clunk as fuck to me I'm seeing things to be concerned about well she's a hunter so that's already pretty bad but like not knowing it's probably with asking who the fuck Kang is why is anybody doing anything right now these different things but she's just like what kind of hunter more questions should be being asked but I don't have like it feels like a pretty good first question what kind of thing is coming after us well he says it's a it's a mechanized organism designed only for killing like oh oh is that in? you're ready yeah and then she says what happened to you we fought against him it's funny that she said that right after he said you left all of us with him like this clearly like he's implying that things went really bad when she left yeah and then he says he can be very persuasive and that's the most you get and I couldn't help but think like I wonder I wonder if something horrible happened to him people he loves you know but it doesn't matter because he's a goofball no clue we'll never know we will never know nope oh yeah they're going to a big ol fight everyone's shooting blasters everywhere but our main team are fine of course yeah even though Hobe pads like her super duper suit and she can fly around and go small and big she just stands still and shoots people it's really weird like they ran out of budget yeah they ran out of money to have her actually you know flying around and doing stuff just stand there just shoot it'll be fun by the way during all this conversation there's like this thing that they had the sexy times and it's like a whole thing well I say a whole thing it's like a sideline that's supposed to be funny but I feel like it's definitely not acknowledged when they're in the ship later in a bit but they acknowledge it but they don't give it the attention it deserves exactly yeah because one could interpret that as she cheated on him yeah pretty easily but she just says I had needs and then it gets really weird because that's something and then he says well I got needs too I had dinner with someone a few times didn't work out and then she's like what went wrong and it just awkwardly cuts and he's like she wasn't you baby yeah both of these people just realized that they weren't faithful to each other during that time he thought she was dead right oh it turns out not only was she alive but she was also cheating that's kind of what I'm getting at she knew he was alive oh yeah so he's he's in the clear and she's not the question should be she should have been like yeah I never thought I was gonna see you again I thought I was stuck here she said I have needs yeah she should have said some long lines I was down here for years I thought there was no way to possibly ever get back they wanted to make it a joke rather than sort of deal with the trauma because it's like these two are supposed to love each other they value each other a lot and Janet got stranded here on her own it's like well yeah it might be interesting to think about the psychology that she would have but it's just like oh I have needs it's like and they're funny I feel like you could have actually done a bit more character building yeah because she also doesn't acknowledge it oh that she says that he says like oh it wasn't you baby it's like you couldn't do it still you couldn't be unfaithful even though he thought he was dead meanwhile she was fine because the scene ends after that when he says it wasn't you baby and then it's never talked about it again and I find it really annoying yeah the issue's resolved what else is there to possibly talk about it makes me think though it's just like if you did all that for the joke because you could have just written it so that she didn't do that and it's like and what's the big payoff it's like she wasn't you baby like that's all you got that's it what does that even mean he didn't get that far he just said he had dinner with her he wasn't you eating dinner with he didn't eat dinner like you baby no it's just his heart is reserved for Janet yeah that's all pretty straightforward honestly it's just like he didn't click with anybody else yeah there you go and they escape and yeah it is it's just really funny to watch Hope just awkwardly stand there until they can leave and yeah Hank this creature thing and it just grabs Bill Murray and throws him and like we said I don't I guess he should come back she wasn't even wearing a helmet in that shootout I think why would she why you don't wear a helmet yeah but these are trained soldiers with weapons they're familiar with so they could never hit her when she's standing in front of you rags who wins several mechanized trained personnel equipped with sci-fi weapons or one science boy one old science boy it's always science boy where's the helmet let's put it on no it protects you from dangers you need to do with my acting what it's her you can see their faces though when they're wearing the helmets anyway yeah no what's the problem or a CGI do you think they even had helmets built for this film I don't know Ant-Man's helmet gets fucked up when it gets destroyed yes but they actually have the helmets built they must have built them so they could have them right there are a few scenes it's extremely obvious that the costumes are CGI you could have built that really easily why did you not the best guess I have is they haven't fully figured because a huge amount of what would probably inform the decisions they make in terms of costumes and stuff is merchandising and they may well be like focus group testing all of this stuff while the film is being made and always making little tweaks every now and then and so at some point they probably just decided well it'll be easier we just do it all in post that's gotta be it it's incredibly lame you can't make movies like it feels like a bear's repeating Avatar 2 was in post production for like 4 years and I'm pretty sure that it took them like 2 years to do like back to back shooting for both of those films I don't know man those films looking real good I don't think the writing was very good but like there's no denying that those films Avatar 2 looks incredible meanwhile what are the results we get here in this film that has like budget that's certainly said like I want the 9 hour cut to be fully complete for CG so I can toy with it and he probably has that was gonna be what I was gonna say he probably has that kind of clout now that he can just demand that Avatar 2 was now the third highest grossing film of all time passed my expectation I don't think it was gonna make that much money does he made a deal with Satan cause something's going on I will exchange out of your writing talent for money Satan doesn't sound like that he probably sounds really charismatic again to repeat myself I do find it immensely annoying for reasons that are kind of hard to substantiate I think the designs that were created for these characters like in the comic books they're very intentionally designed to give each of these characters a certain look and you can see that like with Ant-Man he's got an interesting sort of retro futuristic kind of aesthetic like especially with the helmet and I'm pretty sure it kind of almost in some way kind of looks like an ad he's got a little antenna there a little thing for the mouth it was all intentionally designed that way because of course when you make in a comic book you don't have to deal with the whole thing of like yeah but we need to see the act of space like the marketing and stuff and cause that's what people need to see because it's just like the character that exists in that world but here it's like it's worst in terms of just like constantly taking off the helmet constantly taking it off putting it back on taking it off putting it back on and like it's so weird because in the first movie they had it where he could take like the face part off like you press a button but he was still wearing the helmet now they've abandoned that and it's like that's a healthy compromise if you want to show his face but like they don't even want to do that anymore well yeah they just had a little yeah super duper nanotech helmet I hate it it annoys me yeah so we got another Vader line it's really really funny when she says the whole she's now made it clear like three fucking times that the bad guys are going to be coming for you but again obviously Scott and Cassie have no clue what's even happening and they've been held captive here for a decent amount of time and now they're just like can you give us a map that's all they've asked for and then she gave them their life story about the fucking war and then there's like a silence and then we hear there's people arriving enemy people and this fucking the triad lady goes you led them straight to us what you stepped back so many times you kept us here I don't know what to say it's so weird like what do you mean we led them here you had like a damn party gave us the goo like what did you do yeah like you led them you captured them I actually love to see Rick and Morty as the main characters dealing with these situations you captured us okay possibly blame it was actually distracting for me just to hear us say that let us into a swamp you're coming here to kill me writers what are you doing why do you do this to us why can't you just imagine yourself in the characters shoes that you're writing just briefly why can't you do this well the character is cheap it oh oh they can't even write good stupid characters I feel in a rare moment by the way I can't believe I'm doing this but I have to you guys will know why we need to go to watch together what okay what do you mean watch together this is not a 24-7 modoc stream bullshit I hate it I don't agree with that we're going to be looking at it because we're at the point in the movie where a clip is there's a couple of clips we could show but this one I have to show because it's HDs we're missing one hold on let me jump in there when are we going to do a review on the on spring coming on days part one two and three in big buck bunny just go to schedule it man we're going to have to go crazy e-fap style naturally with this can't play it for longer than like three or four seconds but context is of course they're attacked oh no and everyone's it's all they're faceless they are they're faceless that means we don't have to consider why they're doing any of this or who they are we do later find out that they have minds because mind reading man is able to robo minds doesn't count but don't think about it I like how it's all just in an attempt to make them almost seem like they're not alive at all like that they're robots but they're not alive I really thought they were robots and then there was not robots okay and up to this point by the way Cassie has not used her his suit it's a big meme to reveal it and of course oh yeah and by the way they were running away and then they randomly spot several of the people they've met along the way getting captured and the way they do this kind of annoys me Scott's looking around he's like you know what we should probably help and then he's like Cassie you wait here oh she's already gone and she's doing hero things but she's quicker on the ball than me on that one just like this is the thing he's going to come to learn by the end of the film is to actually care about people more than he does because that's what he needed to learn that's the lesson he that's how he needed to grow during this movie that's what his character needed oh you gotta time the pause so that we can see the I've done it beautifully so you may have heard of this you may have get around these films they get crunched and thrown and sped up into all kinds of horrors in terms of production and some people just don't get the time they need to be able to animate slash really polish those shots Avatar 2 had years and years and years for them to get all of the little details right but this film probably had a year maybe a year of post-production maybe less than that and of course you'll be sitting there thinking like what then like all the fake backgrounds some bad CG you know explosions like well this one made the rounds and I can't believe they chose to release this because it's like well should we just show it I guess we'll just show it first yeah let's show it it looks like it looks like a placeholder from a like a demo or something you've made in it oh no it's so floopy why is she if she's trying to cover distances why is she small why would she go small because she's an idiot she has to run like 30 times the distance look at how floopy the running is her arms she has the arms but like did it have to be could they've just had her running and then trigger down yeah well I mean yeah exactly just get her in the suit have her run and then just and even if you didn't want to do that couldn't you just get like a real person in a mocap suit to like run instead of shooting it like this what is that if I saw somebody running at me like that I think it was like a ghost or some sort of a specter oh no it is otherworldly creature I'm hallucinating it it looks really bad yes which I guess in a way because every scene in this film I feel is like CGI to hell and back yeah it's kind of crazy that this only happened kind of once uh I mean I said they're really bad yeah there's a lot of wonky shots the shots we're just looking at the character wearing a helmet it's like that helmet is obviously CGI yeah didn't need to look like that guys because the helmet it's difficult to track it exactly one to one like totally even though the texturing on it and the lighting on it didn't quite look real it's not even that it was probably tracked you know look at how muddy this is like what why would you compose your shot like this it's so I can I can barely see it's really depressing is that the cinematographer on this movie is the same guy who did the matrix it's just gonna be that like they get the cinematographer but like in terms of them being able to inject their own visual flair into it it's like well especially well it's yeah it's like how how much time did they get to do prep for this how much of it was already done in pre-visualization before they'd hired anybody to work on how much input at all did they have in the VFX part which is most of the movie and how many times did they change their mind on the shots that they were doing to the point that it's like oh shit we've only got like a few weeks to finish this oh crap all right what what okay so we just saw it why did she fling her anyway like the rebellion lady she just kind of go like so she can I thought that she didn't know what was happening and she just jumped off her hand well it looks like her hand just goes up immediately kind of yeah she kind of now she flings her up she like lifts her up yeah well I guess she understood the situation faster than those people well and what's funny as well those rules and I do think that Ant-Man breaks this as much as the second and third but you're supposed to have the weight that you still so when she lands on your hand that'll hurt like fuck they're already extremely small so shouldn't they have like so much fucking weight that they like yeah that's true basically formed a black hole there she is why would you take it off why what do you even press a button to do that or does it just I read your mind does her hair does her hair get cut whenever the helmet no no see look if you do it fast enough you don't have to think about just the physical and see she him is small which in the first one will knock you the fuck out but in this it doesn't yeah god it's it's going to change the rules even though the rules were already fucking hot enough to pay attention to it was it's a long way to fall I just read this how awful this actually looks look at this like this looks so off shit when they do a lot of the whole like hit when small pushes you into me yeah yeah so bad so rough yeah I want to see that again god damn I don't want to see that again oh no I have to see it again like come on looks what happened why can't you just have him just have the actor come and tackle another actor no no but like and man the first one looks pretty good it does looks pretty good it's something's gone wrong it's very wrong why stop taking your helmets look it's the worst in this movie look at that it looks like it's where it headphones or something yeah yeah it's doing a fucking crossfade with it basically so what is this dumbass dialogue ah I have a suit oh the dialogue fucking sucks I noticed while the whole film but especially with this scene they kind of presented like he didn't know she has a suit even though we did that already that she has a suit the question is why the fuck haven't you been using it up to this point we'll be just doing ours of course yeah actually from of course that you okay I have to careful with it but we'll try and get through the whole thing eventually but yeah it's super if you keep an eye on the background there are people doing executions there's screams there's explosions there's fire and they're all just fucking arguing over like whether or not she did the jump that properly it's very fun jump tap thingy it's not even a serious like emotional argument that they're actually invested in it's like it's a meme it's a meme marble humor argument jump tap oh do you and like especially with the characters they set up already she should be like dad we need to focus on like those doing the stuff and helping the people yeah the people dying everywhere yeah so arrogant I missed up on the timing jump kill me that rags a boat is perfect right now which one I have so many what I think I know which one you're talking about all right look at that the flute helmets come on it's coming in look at his flute face oh there oh look at that look at that amazing when you slow it down it's so rushed yeah get it off yeah they have the helmets on but don't they have microphones why do people like that no it's airtight in there they can't even breathe on the helmets on because when samus is fighting ridley everything should like every time it's just like get that helmet off like so that you can just sort of gawk at him with the helmet off and put it back on no also this actress by the way there was a different actress in endgame right yeah they changed their mind because she's got more of a profile who is this girl again Catherine Newton you know where she's from I think she was in detective Pikachu oh nice great well I think I read it in a tweet can't say I know it's 100% true but as far as I'm aware the actress who played her in endgame found out she wouldn't be reprising the role in the form of a social media announcement about the cast that she just wasn't in that's cool well yeah I got half in a marvel movie as a character who is like a superhero in the comics that means I've potentially got like a few movies under my belt oh no no you don't well I mean imagine you know talking to friends and family like I'm cast as Ant-Man's daughter and they've aged her up now so that she's gonna be like an important role and you know quite possibly be Ant-Man when uh when Paul Rudd's done with the role it's like wow that sounds amazing like on TV it's just like here she is you're like oh yeah no I'm not damn okay you're like this small I jumped into act I hate that response because what he's trying to teach her I mean assuming yeah it's a pretty simple basic move like you can use this move over and over it's really useful you should try and she's like I can't see what you're doing you're too small oh it's like he literally said you go small you jump you go big and then you punch him it's not that complicated so when you're jumping go big yeah and the momentum of getting big I guess helps with the punch I guess that's the idea so many people in the comments this video are talking about just like that Rudd though yeah that Rudd is good it's uh it seems like the main thing that betrays visual effects a lot of the time is the animation rather than like the actual like you know models or the textures like it seems like we're pretty good at high fidelity but like making something move in a way that looks real is a lot harder both of these things are extremely weak in this film yes yeah the suits look like they're from like a PlayStation 4 like those things you see in the cinema and you have to stop yourself from going like like out loud a lot of it is the a lot of it is the compositing the compositing and like the rotoscoping or whatever it is for like green screen it's it's like you just look very blurry like you don't because it was something I was impressed by when I watched Avatar 2 it's like the humans kind of they really look like they're in this place um whereas in this film everybody's a lot is really blurry around the edges like where the green screen would have been where some poor guy had to that or whatever it is with the volume and like how well they actually leveraged it I don't know it seems like Mando was the one that actually used the technology well everybody else has been fucking it up oh and the Batman yes it's just a matter it's the same as it always was you just you have to implement it properly you can't just use it you have to understand the technology and use it effectively yeah um yeah by the way pride in your work it feels how does that mean it feels pretty inconsistent to me that she's like hyper intelligent cracked enormous amazing quantum technology but she can't seem to grasp that when you're small and you jump and then you hit something the momentum carries through hmm that seems like the science angle of the thing if you jump small shouldn't the movement be way slower anyway no because you go super fast you jump really fast and then it's you knew how quantum mechanics worked you've never even been to the quantum world that Mordok face is real that Mordok face is real funny look at him my god it's full of stars oh shit next note I've got next note I've got is the arrival of Mordok oh my god hey guys Phantom Mordok in the comics are you guys happy are you pleased you satisfied don't say anything we know it's yes we know this is the greatest Mordok that could ever have Mordok he's a fucking genius idea genius character love seeing him on the silver screen I couldn't believe it I think he's going to be having his own tv show in movie probably because he has his own tv show I think he does have a tv show sorry Patton knows well every one of them he's going to get guest starring he's probably going to be an avenger in avengers all of the avengers I hope he doesn't die so as you can see we've been donning the incredible illustrious visage of Mordok throughout this stream he's been a meme we've been sharing pictures of it I couldn't fucking believe they went this direction I want to highlight that when this was first released there was people who had very bad brains they had temporary brain thoughts that said wow I love it when they do comic accurate stuff no no no no his head is big therefore comic accurate no that's like spider-man suit is red therefore accurate because you got it you got to show him a picture of Mordok from the comics oh well yeah I guess I could do that but I assume those people knew and I'm not even that familiar with the you know the comics but Mordok is hyper stylized and to be honest with you I think seen in limited context for the comic kind of creepy and you kind of makes you wonder like oh is his thing like is he like a horrifying experiment gone wrong and that he's you know it's fucked him up as a person as well there's a thing I don't know Mordok's story I assume it's not Darren that's my assumption this is what it was all leading up to probably do I pictured him more as a movie bob type character super villain so got some got some images yeah this is this guy does that look like the guy who's all avatar right now let me go ahead and say new you see the it's like a fucked up face just like distorted and uh monstrous basically yeah and the idea that you just put a guy's fucking face here did they do it because they wanted the actors face is it even the actors face maybe they just wanted it to be funny funny I think it probably is the actors face but fucked with you know it's been fucked with so much it doesn't even look like him anymore I can totally believe they got a different actor to play him no it's wow yeah but it is the same guy so it's like what what happened the guy that actor has a pretty long face and so when you smush it up it just looks so funny why like I just never thought this would happen why would you do this we are now everything's possible I know that when the first images were shared I think I was on real BBC and everyone in chat said it's a troll it's not actually real like you guys you make a mistake this is obviously made by someone to be funny like it's not actually real obviously no one would ever do this and then someone said it's from the trailer and I checked and I was like holy fuck it is from the trailer it's a split second of the trailer you can see him really yeah he's in the corner oh shoot I didn't see that yeah when they're with Kang walking off to like the edge so yeah this they gave us this and it feels wrong it feels wrong I don't even know what you would do if I would I think what I would probably do I would have the helmet always be like like mate like do you know the Fringy do you know Halo Reach the haunted helmet which is the pilot helmet but it has like the skull inside of it they probably should have had like where the front is like a visor and inside of the visor there's like a face and it doesn't have to be real sized it's like a digital representation of a face and that could be big because that seems like it could be stylized too like it could be like clearly like a digital face or it could be like a single like mono colored like it's lit and it would be way better than this this is the worst thing you could do is that they had a lot of options that could have been really cool and creative and they for they just they decided not to use any of those opportunities does this look like does this look like a desktop background that you guys like cool desktop background and it's like ah damn wrong resolution I guess gonna use it anyway and it's just stretched out if it was really well written and like he was clearly supposed to look goofy and that's just the decision they made I would be very happy with it I'd be like that's fine she'll make him goofy I guess that was the point he is goofy look at that everything about it is undercut again and again even if he was super well written and everything if he looked like this there would be an element that's like ah man well I mean the thing is that if he is actually goofy in universe there's almost like a tragic element to it that like the other characters that he knows that he doesn't look intimidating you can do stuff with that misfits just stuff with that all the time where a character would be like unglamorous but they'd still have like they'd have to deal with that fact that they're a character who went mad because no one took him seriously because his superpower was involved with milk and that episode is kind of bad but it's still good I guess something that seems bizarre that they didn't really like Scott really should hate this guy because the reason why all of this happened in the first place that he turned into Modok was because Scott killed him or tried to kill him because he was trying to kill Cassie but like it's almost like that element of the history is like ignored of like oh yeah Darren like went insane and tried to kill your daughter like wow feels like there's something worth doing there but it's like they forgot that element of his history completely and then of course him where it's like dude like do you know how fucking painful that was like getting squished and you know grown and everything and then getting shrunk down to the quantum realm like these guys should probably have like they should really hate each other but they don't it's all a joke it's all a meme yeah so yeah they really went the direction of wanting to they wanted to make you know from the beginning that we're laughing at this guy throughout okay like he arrives he's killed a whole bunch of people he is the weapon for Kang that gets shit done he arrives and then he's like I am Modok and he starts explaining his backstory and introducing himself and then like Amon goes Darren and like the music like cuts out whatever it is a sort of just like Darren oh yeah and by the way we have another joke at the expense of the name of the character because we can leverage them for marketing and to make money but we'll still make fun of the work of other people whose work we've taken and fucked up so tired of that joke now yeah because they did to jump ahead because it's like mechanized organism designed only for killing and then Scott's like oh well that'd be like Modok it's like shut up like shut up you didn't make this you took it someone else made it you want to make money from the merchandise I don't even know what it was originally but I know you ruined it pretty safe that they're fucking like they did this joke so many times yeah it's a compilation of it I can't remember the one I remember is fucking Otto Octavius in Norway Home it's like guys yes comic book characters have a lot of silly names can we do goofy names while we make money off of them that's what it always means it's like in She-Hulk oh yeah your costume is like red and yellow that's funny it's like you're making money off of it you're selling toys with it and you didn't make it it's someone else's work what's wrong with yellow and red yeah I find it really annoying considering that I think that it's like I certainly prefer the full red suit but like it's kind of a it's a cool it's kind of a cool combo maybe I like it a lot because of like the earlier stories associated with the like dead of a yellow so question why did Kang have to turn him into this to save him why Big Head he did turn him into this yeah he did what is the nature of his like anatomy he's got a massive brain the same thing the bowler I said imagine the skeleton inside of him and a little dinky heart so he was shrunk down awkwardly and that's why he's Big Head well so in Ant-Man when he like fights yellow jacket he was meant to be dead they changed their mind his suit like grows and shrinks in different places all at once it's like crushing him and expanding him and this is apparently the outcome basically his entire body got shrunk but his head was big maybe because his was his head in the helmet at the time or was his helmet broken so it didn't quite like the whole suit was broken I don't know why the fuck I'm even trying to rationalize this don't try it's yeah forget I said anything look at the funny head man yeah pretty much like I said earlier those MoDoc fans they're eating good tonight MoDoc originally a Captain America character I think that's what I read he's not Darren yes AIM is which is not an organization that they have here because AIM is not being humans right? oh I thought he was like an X-Man no no but he's also not Darren he's not Darren Cross that's for sure no he's like a big different character yeah totally different person again everyone's 6 out of 10 I guess we're thinking yeah apparently AIM was in Iron Man 3 what happened why haven't they done anything with AIM then wait AIM was in Iron 3 AIM was the flute people with the extremists that was they were AIM? damn what a waste because I remember you had hammer industries right with yeah fucking hell didn't I that means that he's actually more of an Iron Man villain damn whoops that's too late for that I guess well put him in iron heart that'd be great it's kind of crazy how much they've blasted through so much of the potential of comic book characters is insane well yeah all those stories there's sword now right they're meant to be but they've always existed we just never heard about them or anything yeah and then they like villainize I love it when that happens yeah it's great yeah and so you think to yourself like oh guy from M1 wow and then he's here and then he's like called him Darren and he goes Darren is dead there is Odley Mordok he does his scream that he did in the first movie well and he the angry face there it is this is when he's like Mordok that's it you gotta filter through all those spaces a lot of Mordok here and I swear to God it's hard to explain but when you're just watching him you're just like I'm here this is life they made this they spent money on this lots of money I'm here sitting here on the big screen in front of the big screen I mean and it's like it has a big head on the big screen and uh yeah it's hard sometimes to know fiction from reality you're just like I wish I could just go back on my bicycle and just is this real life no hopefully not this is fantasy what is reality glass onion reference yo is that a glass onion reference it is is this movie better or worse than glass onion well much like glass onion this movie ends with him saying nothing makes sense so shut up alright then I guess they're exactly the same Brian Johnson ghost wrote this movie maybe um so anyway I hate it more if you did he captures them the aunt people he just captures them they're captured now yeah you might wonder why I have no answers they can go small they can go big little arms they're just tired they just need to they just need a nap because later on in the film when modoc battles an aunt person they just beat him to fight yeah they kick his ass oh yeah maybe there was like when these rebelling people kind of dicks let's go with them for a while maybe they're better it's just so um annoying this film has a lot of people escape capture and get captured for just no reason at all just what has to happen for the story now so shut up okay so they captured that face what are you gonna do yeah that's real shame I hope our hope our heroes make it out okay the things are all right it's like oh boy uh you know what mother you'll you're uh you know what what's going on we still gotta save the the people and she's like you know explain a minute we will and then they have this like shot of hope where she goes you're still hiding things from us like she's figuring it out as opposed to the fact that she told you this several times she's gonna explain stuff to you later not now it's so cringy like it's really hard not to find hope to just be a really annoying character because she's got so few lines and all of them are stupid I think you're you're doing you're doing naughty things it's like yeah there have been the whole time I don't know if you've been listening at all Janet stop it um but then I think we go back to yet just another conversation with MoDoc and them and and he arrives in his suit and he's got the big mask on and then he just flips up and he's like and you're like oh why what are you doing why are you showing us that he has this cool mask just let it down and he says his story is like you know he got got crushed by uh by the thing and then Kang saved him and I think it only makes sense for Kang to save him if he knew he specialized in uh quantum shit why would you care about some weird flimpy creature that just dropped onto the floor why would you like to save this guy good question he took him to a surgical reconstruction center and everything I know what you're referencing I can turn you into MoDoc yep they did wouldn't you and then as he's explaining more and he does the MoDoc joke the man goes I just noticed you have baby legs and he's like no I don't those are the baby legs oh man it's supposed to be the bag yeah you got captured by the way I didn't fight back so you better shut the fuck up he beat you with those baby legs you fool he just kicked him a bunch I can imagine whenever he needs to take off running he's like the uh the the Flintstones and one of their cars and then they take off so he says I found your signal Cassie couldn't have done it without you and again it just makes you think like wait wait wait wait wait so that how did you know it was hers? that means that in the seconds that that signal was being broadcast yeah it meant that MoDoc had a device that was ready to capture that signal from essentially a different universe yep and use it so that he could turn it into like a black hole that would suck everything in and he knew that the people who would make that signal would be people that he would need to bring down but he brought them in at like a random spot he didn't bring them down anywhere like useful he'd have to go and hunt them down someplace and he was just ready to have all this happen I guess no problem I just want to make sure that we're on the same page that makes total sense to me you have such a strong understanding of it because they so well explained it in the film yeah none of this was me trying to connect dots or anything like that I was just I was just doing my best good job I'm proud of you just trying really hard to understand what the fuck was going on nothing about this movie made sense was there one line of dialogue where we were like yeah was that bit where they were all falling in and they do make the character decisions they say they say twice it doesn't make any sense oh that made sense yeah not so bad it's not the worst wait apparently apparently there was a trump modoc I would look very funny that would look funny it had his voice and everything that would be amazing I would watch the whole movie it's just modoc when you grow a red hat that says modoc on it people are really you know taken off with all the memes with like Biden and Trump and everything all the ai stuff and dig off her is popping up for whatever reason so they need to do that they need to just make a trump well Jordan Peterson Redskill right gotta get that in there as well I would love to see Jordan Peterson Redskill do it do it you I'm posting this in the discord and I'm thinking like the bottom left one like that's like I'd believe that look at these creatures there's so much more like god the so intimidating it's almost like a hideous experiment that's gone completely wrong mechanized biological thing instead of just guys head stretched out from left to right also an actual bald head I don't know man they could have had like a see through what is it where you have like you could see the brain up top and it has like a cage or a glass dome around the top and his brain like emanates waves or something you can't just change from the cool ones back to normal what I'm looking at is oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so um yeah we get we get the back story the big old back story and things are about to get real fucking bad I know I know change a crazy change so it turns out Kang and Janet they're both randomly sent into the into the nanoverse flea and they both bumped into each other just fucking wonderful we knew kind of that already so going from there we find out Kang was banished to the quantum realm um because it's the only place that can hold him because it is beyond time and space okay and I can't help but think that my immediate question would be why didn't they just shoot him with a gun so I have no ability to infer anything here other than I guess they didn't want to kill him they wanted to banish him but not kill him it's like okay even knowing what kind of power he was capable of doing and everything there's like nah we're not going to kill you we're going to banish you to a whole realm you have a whole realm to play in isn't that fun well he's here eggs that doesn't matter most people most people go their entire lives in only one single realm so we're just going to do we're going to do that to you we're going to put you in a whole realm yeah take that idiot and not only will we send you there we're not going to send you in there with nothing really small we're gonna we're going to send you into this other realm with your special fancy space chair that can control time in space but we'll take the batteries out okay that's right good we don't take it out we just break it so you have the opportunity to maybe fix it yeah we wouldn't even just like push you through a portal or put you in a little box and mail you there no we we also by the way considering what he builds I feel like he could have fixed it at some point by himself it's like banishing Hitler to another planet but also letting him have like Germany too it's so weird if you were the cags and you're like this guy's getting out of control he's killing timelines we got to do something about it but it's some other cags like yep but we can't kill him it's like okay so first of all take his suit off him done now what what power does he have he's just a guy oh we need to we need to make more stuff out of that suit yes but simultaneously can we just put him in like a cage like yeah yeah we could no he'll break free of the cage we must put him in a place there is no time and space to store him why don't we just why don't we just kill him can't do that that would be inhumane and so therefore it's okay to send him to the quantum realm where he very likely would have been fucking eaten by the creatures that he encountered when he landed there if not the fact that he happened to grab Michelle with his gun so what the hell and then yeah like it's funny you get all of that out of the way and you're like how did they repair his stupid ass engine what resources are they using well see they they have like this little stick device and they suck some energy out of the the glowy stuff and that didn't work they did some science stuff and then they poured it on the thing and that didn't work then they talk and then it took a long time and then it worked can't believe they banished him with the potential to destroy everything they banished him of all the chairs in the universe to not send with him they chose the chair that could have him travel through time and space why did you pick that chair you should have chosen a different chair yeah that chair is really good they should have gone for like a normal chair maybe they were just trying to send him with a chair and they forgot like they just that was the chair they picked by mistake oh that's one of the time traveling chairs no no no no well we already decided we drew straws we picked randomly it's also the one with the suit that you can only use put on when the core is in but you can still use it when it's not in anymore I guess art just appears at that point multiversal glove box that's my suit man we should just got like one of those wooden benches from outside Jerry's house he's got that nice rust cabin up in the mountain ah man I hope nothing bad comes of this yeah so it's like okay well anyway help me fix Lima and it's like alright we'll do it let's go um and they as Mel just said they fail a couple times and then have a little chat about how time is a cage and it does everything it can to break you but it's not until you break from it that you see how small it always was yeah I don't really know what that's supposed to assist overall I guess just his character I I realized I could do time stuff and now my own time I just mean that there's nothing for us to draw about anything from other characters with that right it's just him he sees time as a bitch it's it's I don't get it I just don't understand what he's mean what he means what do you mean Kang would mean that time does like a thing and it makes you think things like what do you mean I don't know what that means he wants to control time again once you go time you don't go back okay can't you go you go back to time through time before they exiled you and just been like no that's probably what he's gonna do he's gonna fuck it well you know what we'll get you could have just waited here and gone back in time and then like said hello to your old self that's being pushed here and then you have like a buddy that understands you and you could like well it gets weird because yeah oh oh yeah now it gets weird I'm talking relatively right so whatever we just had that was the normal stuff that was pretty pretty easy to digest that was normal stupid Janet says it was fine it was nice to finally have someone to talk to and it was like wait you just told us that she was keeping a secret that she spoke to like a whole civilization what and then I had the thought I was like wait is she in the subatomica or whatever the hell she said and that there's no way to talk to there but then she ends up in the quantum realm where there is people to talk to I guess no wait hang on I'm hanging that can't be because the core explodes there and it's in the place where they are true the core the core explodes in the quantum world is that true because they use a portal to get to that she didn't have a gun and like a house yeah but maybe you could make houses in subatomica well they have their house thingy oh god okay everyone you're gonna have to stick with me for this we're gonna do some geography in our heads alright because also they get there with the ship hang at the other ones calm down so we start with place we won't have a name for it it's gonna be the place where she detonated the thing cool and then we have the quantum realm and then he teleports with the portal to get ant man from his prison cell to that place and then he portals out of it back to his citadel okay but what about everyone else as you just mentioned they have a ship but then there's also the army of ants no either this place has to be really far away from the quantum realm for what she said to make any sense but not so far away that it takes forever because remember when he's like sorry I'm late with the ants is that the implication that they were super duper far away like actual geography like a bazillion miles away like to the point where it's like Newtonian distance or whatever like geography however that's even like explained like feet and inches when the explosion happened at the subatomica the place that Hank couldn't see past then it can't be that the realm is real close to that in which case how the hell did you like as ant man walk the rest of the way or whatever I don't know it's getting so hard to even keep everything in mind we'll just move on yeah I think it's better for us Sanity so later on when he goes to get the core thingy with the shrinker mattock where is that that's not the void not subatomica maybe but if it was but he went down to subatomica subatomica and void would be above right they teleport above it and then he jumped down okay sure sure yeah I could have sworn that earlier they said that Hank couldn't see the quantum realm because the void and subatomica blocked it so I guess they're above it speaking of making sense some of you here who haven't seen this film and so this will be funny no she's helping him build his ship even though we the audience if you've seen Loki I don't trust this guy pretty sure he's a bad guy this Kang but unfortunately Janet doesn't know that she's a good man and she's no Janet it'll be bad so like how is it going to be given away now you might be thinking much like the memory store from MOM is it going to be dialogue is it going to be that she says like I can't wait to get back to my daughter and then he says I can't wait to you know and like he looks angry maybe and he's like what so and then he's like look someone destroyed my life and I just and every once in a while they have some conversations that just start to chip away that there may be something a little unhinged that he wants to do yeah eventually figures it out however the writers came up with something way more cleverer yeah way more cleverer oh good for them so she's repaired the ship it's all working and it charges up and it's it's neural linked that means that she touches the ship she'll experience all of his memories and find out he's evil memory store 2.0 yep it's so late she's like oh wait you're evil you're horrible oh um yeah and the funny part is Kang realizes that and it's like oh yeah right that was a thing oh well I was gonna let her see it they almost have design flaw yeah well first of all who builds a ship that lets anybody who touches the access all of your private memories that seems pretty stupid it's an interesting ship they sent him with yes and then secondly if he would have known that because it's his ship why didn't he tell like don't touch the ship when it's powering up because it could kill you yeah just I got this it might be unstable step back a bit but something reasonable no no problem no it's a storage of memories you might even say a memory a memory storage uh and then of course there's a scene and I thought for a moment it might be good I was like wait because she's doing a freaked out face and he seems to understand mechanically what just happened so and he's kind of already like resigned he's like ah you know this is a reality that you've just gone through and it's like it's time to be honest I guess or at least try and contextualize it do something and I think he just says like let me take you home yeah it doesn't look like for a moment I was like oh is he like skipping the part where we have to do all of the bullshit like not lying not anything he's just like the important things you need to get home but um before we carry on with that I will say it annoys me that he didn't try to cover his tracks at all or explain what she just went through as anything other than what she thinks it is for example you're just seeing a collection of visions of my brother my other selves my past lives or something that hasn't happened yet yeah it uses the multiverse it's not me it uses the power of the multiverse and infinite blah blah blah probability and other Douglas Adams reference so that's what you saw you didn't see me well what if you said evil hallucinations he's the one that did this to me the one you just saw in that series yeah that because she says like I delved into his mind it's like you couldn't know that that's just something that like you're seeing a bunch of crazy shit you've got all and and he can contextualize it any time he wants it's like you just you just interfaced with like the newer link of a multiversal spacecraft thing it's like I can tell you anything about that and he's so calm and they've been working on this forever he could just be like do you really think like a series of random visuals you just saw has anything to do with like anything groundable like that was just that's the ship starting up that was just a bunch of garbled nonsense you just saw by the way she doesn't see the counselor Kang's at all you don't see any other Kang's how is that possible seems odd seems like it would be on his mind the Kang's who banished him here yeah think and I mean again it probably bears repeating why does the ship work like this that's how it is really weird way for the ship to work but why couldn't he just say yeah I'm killing people I'm destroying timelines do you know why and then she could be like because you're a monster and he'd be like if I didn't every timeline dies yes I don't take any joy in this I don't want to do it I feel terrible every time I need fucking sleeping pills but if I don't there's going to be yeah and you know what here describing this bullshit story to Hank and hope if she said you see his ship was neural linked I'd be like what the fuck does that mean to you Janet like when did you deal with spaceships that were neural linked when is that how do you have any concept of any of it why do you think we do what does that mean neural linked like it's drawing all of it's like it's like their helmets with the nanotech it's neural linked whenever they want them to come up they come up whenever they want them to go away they go away she went missing helmets you would learn everything about their life instantly she went missing in the 80s the 80s yeah people in the 80s they were really forward thinking she saw Tron and then you you start to realize the huge problem coming up she's not she now just to stop him because he's going to destroy everything that's what she's decided his goal is it's like Janet why why didn't you tell everybody crazy yeah this is disastrous for Janet he's going to destroy the entire multiverse if he gets what he wants and he's down there as far as you're aware he is a threat worse than Thanos and you didn't tell anybody you didn't tell Scott who has connections to the Avengers you didn't tell Hank you didn't tell anybody because you didn't enjoy your time down there fair enough but like this the fact that you were willing because what she does after this is basically strands herself in the in the in the quantum wherever she is leaving the fact that she was willing to do that to potentially never see her family again to stop him but unwilling to tell them about him yeah seems pretty incongruent isn't that confusing yes I was like what kind of a person are you you're willing to like walk the walk but not talk the talk I don't get it what's weird you're weird and it's it's incongruent because it's a danger to her whole family and that's the motivation to protect them it's like you have to tell them because it's just a matter of time before he'll get back to you give the people a chance to build a contingency or something they don't need to there's like somebody who can do with it maybe she tells them there's like yeah there's nothing down there but there's like this crazy conqueror that I met and that's why I stayed down there there is a literal crazy clown man with like a hundred years better technology than any of us on earth and he wants to kill all of us just FYI Tony Stark maybe you want to check that out at some point or build some contingencies or something or maybe don't fuck around with the quantum verse it's a bit too dangerous and then she maybe she doesn't tell them that there's like people down there and then she keeps that a secret and that's why they say okay let's just keep it there just keep it there we build some contingency then in some other Marvel movie like someone fucks around with quantum verse and finds out there is people down there and then someone goes to Jen's like you know what the fuck there's people down there we have to help now so they kind of have to open the portal themselves down there to that would certainly be better yeah so they like their Marvel hero stuff but this way the more you think about it the more it cascades because if there's public work being done with Pym Particles and more science and more people studying it that means that there's just people all around the world that could open the portal up for Kang someone's gonna do it eventually better right we have technology it would make her panic Janet would be like you cannot under any circumstances make Pym Particles available to people and then they'd be like why and she's like alright I guess I gotta tell you about this thing I really don't want to talk about for no reason at all it's awful it's really really bad but like as if it wasn't already just terrible he's like let me take you home and then she says and then what what are you gonna do and he says he like looks for a while he just goes win and he activates like everything and you just sit there like what are you doing why would you say that that's like the worst thing you could say why don't you say well I'm just gonna go home I'm gonna fight my family I'm gonna stop them from killing blah blah and make up some stuff if you need to and then she says how many worlds will die and he goes not yours why not why not mine actually well first of all like I don't understand which is she lucky enough to be in the timeline he wants to save I guess so but secondly why would you say that why would you just say I'm not gonna destroy timelines we're gonna try to stop what I like make something up my dude Kang is a horrible communicator and talker he has multiple instances in this movie where you can explain what the fuck is going on with him and the multiple things that he never does he's always like says some cryptic bullshit that doesn't help at all how would he facilitate drama though metal if he didn't say cryptic bullshit well you can have nice conversations for example like hey you're doing all these yeah real dialogues like wait okay so you need to keep this balance but you have to kill trillions of people and trillions trillions whatever your number you want to take see the thing is this is the this moral discussion you can have between the characters and it's like yeah there's a lot of can do but no we just gotta be like oooh what we have here in this scene is the beginnings of the complete another waste of Kang the Conqueror as a villain in this film not only is he not very threatening in terms of like what we see later in the film as like a villain but he's not very intelligent which is you think that that is that the whole thing with him being the kind of person who could essentially galvanize like an entire army forge it from like whatever circumstances in to enact his will would be very persuasive like very good at manipulating people both individually and in large swaths but no he gives up when Janet sees the thing it's like he's sort of resigned to like oh well I guess I'm fucked you'd say it's the opposite in terms of he's saying it someone might defend him as being like he's saying this because he knows he's won there's nothing she can do to stop him and he literally says you know what do you think you could do to stop me which is such a stupid fucking thing to say to the woman who helped build all of this repair all of this and has like I'm assuming at this point she would have told him about all the wasp shit right why wouldn't you have we also considered real quick what an insane coincidence that he happened to land next to someone who had the ability and skill necessary to help him repair that oh yeah I got it he landed next to the guy who could repair him and he knew yeah it's all insane yeah she's the only one in the entire quantum burst that could do anything for him not even what's his name could have repaired it like she can yeah that was incredibly lucky um but yeah that's another vader line it was really funny I guess in terms of just like what do you think you can do to stop me and then she stops him and then he's like ahhh stop stopping me it's like what were you practically asked it to man um yeah and uh it's like easy for her to do it as well um she so she packs four of those things into his core which blows it all the way up and uh it doesn't destroy it though it just makes it really big and unyieldy and then she goes super small to evade the explosion question mark it's like that's just going to make you more vulnerable to it because now you're slower in terms of getting away from it I don't know about that I think the implication is she jumps off the edge and she ends up in the quantum realm after that place for the civilization I don't know I'll never know I is there even any point in trying to figure it out well and after all of that after all that crazy nonsense the one question is why the hell didn't you tell us and she says I spent years hiding from him running from him and then you found me I unleashed a monster on this place and ran away I'm sorry I never told you I just wanted to forget I wanted to be a mum again I'm sorry but like you have a responsibility I don't think you need to make that argument it's just not in a character she would tell them to protect them if she was willing to strand herself there to prevent him from doing it she has enough of a spine to just tell them what happened also I guess she just stopped caring about everybody down there well yeah right because and she made friends there but she it's weird that she didn't mention any of this it's an ant man in the wasp it's kind of weird it's almost like this is invented this is new history what? well you know when they came down and found her you'd think that Modoc would have been like oh the signal got it but nope apparently not and uh yeah just the reality is that she has the same reason that she wouldn't have told them is it reason enough that she would have but um and so when Bill Murray says you like ditched us down here it's like yeah she kind of did she just didn't care about the livelihood of any of you hmm pretty fucked up Janet is what we would say is has been destroyed by this film yeah and she wasn't really much of a character to begin with but she is not stopping them she's been obliterated significant amount of damage to Janet so anyway good ol' Scott is in prison and Kang started to talk to him now and he's like you uh you're making a mistake pal I'm an Avenger and I've called all my friends and they're on the way and also before we do that Kang has a stupid nanotech helmet that doesn't track properly with his head this will be called a universal constant yeah there are a lot of shots where his head is moving within the confines of the helmet in ways that don't make sense like physically um I don't know why they didn't just give him like a thing on his head they still wanted to make him blue with like visual effects that's fine but like I don't know why you didn't just give him something he could wear sorry continue yeah you could have just made like a really cool like filter that just tracks over the visor over his head but his head is part of the you know what are you uh what you eating there rags oh did I that come through whoops I had I had a little bit left next to my tooth I did not came through I was what but still what have you been eating oh I had a piece of pizza all right what's up it was uh it was I got I got it's Marcos I think they're just uh I don't think they're only no just Marcos uh it was uh bacon uh chicken and spinach and that's an interesting yeah grilled chicken bacon and spinach yeah I'm that's right spinach isn't bad I don't know spinach isn't bad it's good um I want some spinach I want like spinach so I can be like Popeye and then I ate him like oh I want some spinach it didn't make me super strong well I think the problem is that if you have like cheap ass shitty spinach from like a can or something yeah as opposed to good yeah but and and then you're like oh actually I can have fresh spinach that's like a spinach salad and it has like a nice dressing and maybe like salmon or something on it and you're like oh wow this is actually really good yeah it's just that when you get spinach because that's what Popeye does he grabs it and then the music plays da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da and then he always looks at his muscle and I don't even know I just uh I just uh ate my Brussels sprouts put them in the oven that would be weird yeah the consistency of Brussels sprouts does not sell well to pizza actually one pizza I've never seen anywhere because you'd have to take like the individual like leaf layers off and at that point like what are you doing yeah why are you doing this to brussel sprouts you want to eat like because to the simple way to eat Brussels sprouts is to have them right and then cover them with olive oil and then put them on a pan just a bit of salt and pepper maybe a little just a little bit of this and that and then pop them in the oven for a bit and they're quite good I like to fry them Brussels sprouts taste like death I have them fried but I probably ought to yeah my dad hates Brussels sprouts but I love them what is our opinion on asparagus I know that's the one that gets the bad reputation is asparagus but I think they're okay I like all of these are good when they're cooked well that's the source yeah what about nevermind what about what now Wombo I was I didn't realize this is a fucking cooking show I don't know I just came back well you know what maybe the fucking is so what were you going to say yeah when's evap cooking starting first guest tunel you got an eta on evap cooking I got to talk to tunel about it I wouldn't want to go without him he knows I'm no chef it could be the evap cooking it's just us watching cooking shows oh yeah that's true watch hell's kitchen that would be great kitchen nightmare how did you allow the kitchens to become like this but there's just black tar underneath the grill it's raw it's raw it has a lot of other have you guys there's a there was like an episode of I can't believe I've forgotten his name the guy who trained him I can't believe it I never knew his name not Bob Ross not Bob Ross no damn it I cannot believe that his name is just oh yeah Marco Pia White that's his name it was like a show from the 80s and there's a scene where it's like them cooking ravioli and you got little 19 year old Gordon Ramsay there and the only thing he says is a very timid yes when he gets asked a question by Marco it's really interesting he's just totally silent humble beginnings well I mean it's funny you say because humble beginnings is him working in like a super like Marco Pia White was probably like the first celebrity chef so like it is humble in the sense that compared to where he's at now but I mean yeah it's kind of like that's the food chain right in the cooking business nice yeah it's not bad I don't even want to think about the food chain in the quantum realm who eats oh yeah we saw the sun jellyfish is eaten by the manta ray that is blasted by the laser man it all makes sense yeah microbe so he's like you've messed with an Avenger bro and I've called my friends and then he says an Avenger have I killed you before which I always took as like a line of I bet the right so that was really badass but what a weird question to ask somebody who has no concept of like multiple him he doesn't know what that means well I mean he does his answer is obviously no what do you mean what I'm alive maybe you've killed atmans before that's a question for you my friend would it be better if he was like Avenger kind of thought to himself and then maybe he was like kind of like almost a abused chuckle like yeah maybe that was somebody that I encountered in my travels rather than specifically like asking him he did follow up with a banger line that he did it together after a while like sure but wouldn't it have been better if he didn't say that and he just reacted in a way that implies that he's encountered Avengers before no I like the metal line making fun of the shitty movies I like you all blow together after a while like even I like the concept of it I don't like it I like it as a concept I think I think I would always prefer having him act in a way that implies that it all has bled together and he's not impressed by that yeah rather than him saying it I think I'm strictly gunning for the matter I'm laughing at the silliness of all of it all of the films do bled together after a while don't they yes and he says that you know you are apparently a really good thief according to mo-york and he goes to like that's how he introduced it and then mo-york says yeah he stole something from me and what and then he just fucking tosses him across the room to speak when I am like not in the room and I was like what the fuck Jesus mo-york gave you the information invented the technology completed the task and that was giving you extra content when you fucking like oh extra context sorry when you prompted him to and then you're like I'm evil why are you being mo-york why are you being mean to mo-york like that yeah and it's just dragged into the ceiling and going something he's just like don't speak while I'm in the room like okay then I guess he spoke when he was in the room when he told him about Scott Lang but he asked mo-york a question but he was like steps outside of the room and shouts the answer so yeah then things get weird he's like I need to do a thing for me I want you to do a thing and if you don't stop what's coming then if you want to stop what's coming sorry you'll have to help me deal? because you do want to stop it what are you talking about well that's the thing that annoy me Scott just goes no deal and is like no what are you talking about ask more questions wait wait wait the guy who was earlier complaining that he didn't make decisions why can't people behave like they are in the actual storyline and things have happened if you were Scott you'd be like okay so I met a whole bunch of people who said that you've like killed them and you know done horrible things and now you're saying you need me to go and steal something for you in order to prevent something really bad from happening so I need information that's what I need I really need information the reason why he said no is so that it gives Kang an opportunity to go I'm a villain I'm a torture you now I know I'm electro by the way for the thing he wants him to do him being a thief doesn't matter at all by the way there's nothing to do with being you need to steal it back even though it's like right there and you don't need to take it from anyone and also you need me for pimp particles and not for my thievery skills yeah it's like oh you're a world famous jewel thief yeah I've been wondering what stocks to buy yeah like specifically jewel stocks I figured you may know you're good at like getting things right so what stocks should I get I've been a known to acquire things from time to time I saw it highlighted like how dumb that he doesn't take them of their antman suits and I was like it's fine to leave antman with his because he's going to need it to complete this task that's very dangerous but that I can kind of understand you're right with Cassie she shouldn't be able to keep that suit she shouldn't be able to keep it pimp particle things they should just take all of it off especially because Moda can study it and use it and quite possibly get them out of the fucking quantum realm with that but oh well they let her have it and of course she escaped several times because of it so someone in my chat yesterday mentioned that she apparently got the disc from from Scott when she hugs him she got the word from Scott but she just had her own anyway that's what I thought as well but apparently they took some away but she had to steal some back from him I didn't catch that they let her keep her fucking suit so I just assumed they let her have them too it's a nano thingy suit she has clothes underneath it you wouldn't even have the problem of you could replicate it I hate it and nobody would let every villain these days let's the heroes keep all of their tools tell me we need to have we need to have like like an EFAP I think I said that before like a school for the nefariously minded where we just tell people we've seen movies if you're going to be an evil world conqueror or whatever basic steps when you capture the heroes ask yourself do you really need to capture them or would you just vaporize them on the spot if you need to capture them strip them down to nothing run them through the x-ray clasp them in space irons or something don't let them just walk around with all their gear and don't check them or anything like that if you do that you're just asking to fail don't be that guy don't be that guy so to get them to the place they need to go Kang opens up a portal straight there and you realize at this point he can just open portals to anywhere as long as it's in the quantum universe I guess like why didn't he open one up when they knew where Scott was yeah just portal right there he can freeze people in time too or rather he can zero point energy them like syndrome he can do that why not open a portal to Scott grab him and then why did you send modoc it was busy with uh stuff yeah okay it's not like soul thing that he's working towards wait don't be the guy who eats chicken on pizza listen chat grilled chicken on pizza is really good chicken on pizza is fucking great yeah this Adam guy what the fuck what do you mean absolutely chicken is a thing chicken is good on like anything that's chicken's quality is it so good for everything you upset the chicken elders now chatter this is you will be you will be gross chicken podcast alright absolutely what a bizarre thing to say but you think I just like diced it up raw you wheezed it over the top no this day your penance is to your penance is to have one good opinion and then post that later to post a picture of him eating a chicken pizza yeah with a big smile the thumbs up like you know this is pretty good you know what actually you guys were right I'm sorry you know what take back what I said about the chicken on pizza this is pretty good this is pretty good especially considering that you could make the chicken like any flavor that you want before you put it on the pizza you know you could season that chicken and sort of grill it up and get it ready any kind of way anything from leaven pepper to teriyaki to buffalo to just really simple stuff it's up to you you do anything with that chicken the world is your oyster no we said chicken not oysters oysters are good oysters might work on pizzas oh I don't know about that we're risking it it's risky I'm gonna say that the only way that you could get oysters to even come close to working on a pizza is if they're fried what do the chicken elders have to say about oysters on pizza I know it's not the specialty but I appreciate it the chickens would like oysters for sure oh yeah because an oyster goes with very very little um like maybe a little bit of hot sauce a tata lemon something like that but you want the oyster to just be the oyster when you just slide it down good stuff though love me some oysters fried or off oysters on a half shale total power total power uh they they do the portaly thing and then you find the core and it's pretty big and it's scary and it turns out they tell them the job is to go down there and throw one of the shrinkies at the core to shrink it down to a reasonable size that is the job and you think to yourself like why why don't those mo-doctors do that you can fly his head too big I genuinely have no idea if the idea is just it's risky so we'd rather you do it ant-man I don't know like he cares about modoc exactly it's really like contrived I think to be like this is a specific job that we need you and your suits and everything this just has to be you it's like okay then no I don't know and yeah modoc is like you gotta do it fast because the longer you spend in there the more it'll fuck with your mind Scott because he's really smart says what do you mean specifically by that and then they explain it to him the however is an alternate reality where he just says okay and moves on which is I mean not the one that we live in no I don't even know how modoc knows all these things from down there are you not familiar with the paradox of probability or whatever the fuck he said storm probability storm yeah like we all know that it's not literally unprecedented in the fucking universe excuse my in the multiverse yeah if it's possible it's happened an infinite amount of time you have to shrink to get down there he can't do that they've got full access to all of this technology now they can just take it off them I don't understand why do we pretend as though only people like only the ant family can do this shit it's like no it's not everyone's fucking shrinking and growing now you guys remember you guys remember shrinky dinks you guys remember those no that sounds funny though they're not no they're like they're like little things like little stickers and then you just sort of like color them and then you put them in the oven and then they would like shrink down and it was just like the shitest toy ever that sounds pretty shit yeah it's really it's really garbage and that was just like a thing I didn't know if you guys knew about shrinky dinks I did not wouldn't it be funny if you called it dinky shrinks dinky shrinks I could be like a detective in a 1920s story detective dinky shrinks I'm pretty sure he introduces this by the way he says that's my call Janet blew it up it's such an open thing for him to be like why why'd she do that it's still kind of there like half blown up in time it's just kind of stayed mid-explosion for some reason I don't quite understand that did you guys talk about that while I was gone for a bit how she made that happen well she put full growers on it yeah and then this happened somehow I don't know why I just throw four times in size don't get it this is a bigger core don't understand okay and I think it's funny too that he's like baffled by and then he's like oh you didn't tell you guys about me huh and he's like I guess that makes sense this is like no if I would be Scott at this point I was like you know what I don't know man maybe it doesn't make sense maybe it does I don't even know if you're the good or the bad guy I'm just gonna jump down there now um yeah and then and then she says dad I messed up and hugs him and it's like yeah you did you did big time and then he says don't worry my life happened because I messed up but the only thing I didn't mess up and then everyone in the audience goes was you and he goes was you was you yep he said the thing he said the thing and then everyone's just like falling asleep sort of thing yeah um I figured the probability still might be a good halfway point because it looks like we're doing the same with this as we did with Multivisimandus and Love and Thunder it's so dense it takes all it is it's so dense and yet there's nothing here too it's weird because I was about to say I think we are I'm in like halfway through the film wow so only took us five hours yeah which means grand total 10 10 I think to get through the whole thing all I was going to say I don't want this to be a 10 hour stream so we're going to cut it in half and sure enough at about the 5 hour mark we're about halfway through well that's the thing I got to get sleep so that I can get not only to drink as ketchup tomorrow but also prepare for the last of us the next episode is coming out oh that's right it's like minute bound but we shall also have to return to this insane fucking thing uh yeah we're basically halfway through the film which I don't know if it felt that way to you guys in chat or not with the amount of things that have happened I don't know if it feels like halfway through but um hopefully you've gotten to this point and thought yep this is just the ant-man version of all those the other movies that you've talked about there's a Thor version there's a Doctor Strange version the Spider-Man version was way better than these mainly because the characters weren't pee-pee what? is that even allowed? I was gonna say I went with pee-pee to avoid the adult words Urine? like poo-poo? Garinor can we die yet no nay more sleuth though it's worth mentioning we've got Guardians coming up eventually that might be a movie that might be good maybe you guys don't know hopefully um and we got a lot accomplished today the pizza conversation specifically I think a lot of it was a cheat yeah pizza dime yeah um grasping to try and make sense this film is a difficult subject but I think we've done a decent job so far you've still got your incredible third act war between armies and all kinds of explosions and a big boss fight between the main bad guy and the main good guy to come oh yeah some twists and turns and then of course I can't wait to talk about the after credit scenes oh my god one of them set into this movie because I didn't see it yeah you got two of them one of them sets up low key season 2 yeah wow damn it that's like everyone's favorite show wow so yeah ants as well the ants we did set them up so hopefully they'll pay off normal bill Murray already so yeah no worry get down old ass out of here he did his job but um you know hopefully you enjoyed the modocs who knows what we'll return next week who knows who knows maybe we'll just who knows I might just not change it who knows I'll be a modoc forever modoc forever modoc commander how do they feel so bloated yet so empty I know right it's crazy isn't it yeah always the same bizarre it is no modoc ass oh yeah we did actually that was the thing that happened um next time I suppose I'll keep people excited to come back you can see modocs ass we know how to get butts in seats I'll tell you that good fucking content but before we go everyone here talk a little bit about their butts being what they're up to in life why don't we just do the simple left to right capital O opinions what are you doing why are you here why haven't you left well I'm here because you bullied me into watching this movie you said thank you so much for telling me to watch this that's what you said I did not say that you said it seven times he said it but he was like crying while he did it I think it was just to get away but he did say it so what I'm up to I am currently working on a certain Halloween themed eFap movies series I don't know if that's been announced what those movies are but I don't think it is looking forward to that and then also devs yes Halloween spy kids of course and also devs episode 4 is gonna be a thing soon stay tuned for that if you like bad things wow alright excellent exciting link in the description J what video are you making I know what it is you do know what it is it's a long boy about an old eFap topic I'll leave it at that you guys are gonna you guys are gonna see it you're gonna be like oh my god I know what that is and you'll like it because you'll be like I remember this topic and it's a fun topic kind of yes it's something that's been covered on eFap and you know eFap varied in depth coverage but on eFap there's not the time to do background research while you're still watching the video but I've gone and researched lots of things lots of stuff and made sure I've got loads of tight references for stuff and all that so I am intrigued on the eFap intrigued is there an ETA within the span of a year this year I hope it's this year the fact you so hurriedly said no it's like oh shit two years down that's not an ETA very well fine metal what about you Maudak I already did my Ant-Man coverage yesterday if you want to check that out that's over on the 4J that happens with Mark that was fun stuff and yeah just working on stuff and next forge will probably be Atomic Heart that's gonna be a thing to play hopefully it's gonna be good I hope so too I like good video games they are kind of neat like that Dead Space one except for all the work stuff yeah that was great I just want to make sure just working working away well excellent as for the world of eFap next week we'll do the second half of this week after that will probably be Atomic Heart that gives everyone enough time to actually play it and then following that Mando will be starting up whoa that's gonna be a day every week and around about then the last of us will be closing down obviously both of them will be happening at the same time as trying to get actual episodes out we're still running additional scheduled hatchups for Superchats they'll be coming out weekly as well so don't you worry about that what else is there I commented recently but we are over halfway toward the next anniversary now isn't that fucking insane that is insane didn't you guys just do the other one who's done this who's fault is this father time time is this what what's his face Kang was talking about yeah he's a cage he wasn't lying time's a cage I don't fucking know what that means whatever but playing more things on the way you'll see me on obviously Real BBC and Open Bar and catchups go on to I think the after hours channel for Drinker but of course if you're watching moola you'll pretty much be getting a new video every 2-3 days at this point there's just coming out there's a lot of stuff happening that's why the e-faps will be a little bit shorter but I think we might aim to have e-faps be around about 5 hours that seems about normal we'll be nice and say we'll never go shorter to the point of making them like consistently 2 or 3 hours like every other podcast that's ever existed we'll keep them long long good but simultaneously we've got loads of other stuff coming out so I think it all balances out but yeah I'm working on bigger things as well chunkier videos more vague I am the better anything you guys wanted to say fringy rags? nah I don't think so it's just the same thing I'm working working away alrighty well thank you all so very much for hanging out hope you have a good rest of your eve I don't recommend this film no stay away well modoc I suppose modoc okay bye bye everyone modoc alright