 Okay. Good morning everybody once again. Welcome. Thanks for joining in Right, I hope everybody online are doing well. Good to see you very good morning Let's pray and we'll get started father. We thank you for this time. We thank you for the stay Lord we we thank you for your mercy that is that I knew every morning Lord even as we're looking to Studying about you and your word from your word Lord. I pray holy spirit. You will come and breathe your breath over us I hope you are the spirit of wisdom Lord help will give us the wisdom to Understand your word your teaching. I pray father. We submit and surrender our hearts and our minds to you Jesus name Amen, okay So we've only had Two hours of class this month that is I think Jan 18th. I'm sorry The week before that last week what we were in at CLC Christian leaders conference and so Okay, let's do a quick recap of what we covered in the first two classes and then we'll move on. Okay So a couple of key points that we looked at. Okay, if you're writing your notes or something separately It'll be helpful for you to write you know as key point and then make these notes So two key points we looked at when we started off first one is this miracles healing and deliverance is not in the process But it is in the Person thank you. Okay, so miracles healing and deliverance is it is not in the process Okay, that means a methods in other words, so it could be Laying down on the hands, etc, etc Okay, I'm also having a little bit of allergies, so please forgive me if I'm sneezing So the first key point is that Miracles healings and deliverance is in the person and not in the process Okay, the second key point we looked at was that everybody can do this every believer can do this Right, so that was a second key point. We looked at Then we went on to look at eight different biblical reasons as to why we must minister in supernatural healing and deliverance Eight different biblical reasons Can anyone name the few? What's the Miracles, okay I'm sure there's more than miracles We looked at eight biblical Miracles reveal God's greatness Yeah, thank you Right, so miracles healing and deliverance reveal the reality and nature of God, right? That's the first one miracles healing and deliverance reveal the reality and the nature of God miracles reveal God's Greatness miracles demonstrate God's Compassion number four miracles have a powerful effect on people Especially on those who do not believe and the fifth is the importance Jesus gave to miracles Number six the kingdom comes with power the gospel is to be preached with accompanying signs Miracles encourage people to believe for more of the supernatural So those were the eight biblical reasons as to why we must miracle minister and healing and deliverance and then we went on to look at why are we not Demonstrating why are we as in why is the church the global church? Not demonstrating enough or more of God's power What was the first one? First one was lack of knowledge First one is why are we not demonstrating more of God's power first one is the lack of knowledge Right and the second one is wrong teaching Thank you wrong teaching concerning the supernatural I'm just reviewing okay kind of summarizing what we did in the first two classes and all of this is in your notes Leaving the miracle ministry reserved for an elite few replacing the supernatural with modern substitutes Unwilling to present till we see more of power displayed Other roadblocks to the supernatural not stepping out in faith depending on methods instead of his presence discouragement of past failure and improper motives So if you don't recall any of this Please revise all these points when you can All of this is in your notes as mentioned Okay, so this is where we kind of stopped at in the last class is The last point was improper motives But let's continue from where we left off Another important question that we need to address Okay, everybody online are doing okay able to follow great. Okay. Yeah, thank you Great I'm having allergy on high definition camera. Sorry you guys All right, one of these questions that commonly is asked is don't demonic powers also demonstrate supernatural Okay, what is the question don't demonic powers also Demonstrate supernatural. What do you think? Yes Also performs supernatural is it okay, so what is your response to it? So in your notes, it says goes on to say a common contention against us believers Emphasizing healings deliverance signs and wonders is the point that even demonic powers through false teachers Practitioners of witchcraft also perform supernatural signs There's a scripture in your notes second Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 9 The coming of the lawless ones is according to the working of Satan with all our signs and lying wonders Okay second Thessalonians Chapter 2 verse 9 Okay, I'm not giving you the page numbers of where I am because I have a very old edition of this book and So I was told that the page numbers are different from your text book as well, so please follow along. Okay, and So second Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 9 said the coming of the lawless one who's he talking about who's the lawless one The one without the devil right is according to the working of Satan with all our signs and lying Wonders, okay Now remember in the last class we spoke about there are two kingdoms at war One is the kingdom of God and the other is the kingdom of the Devil, okay, so just as we as believers can tap into the supernatural power of the kingdom of God People can also tap into the supernatural of the kingdom of the devil That's why witchcraft and all of this exists. Okay, it is a reality But it is a lying wonder as the scripture says okay the powers and signs are there so You know, there are so many examples from the Bible we can look at the immediate one that comes to our mind is magicians in Egypt Isn't it so God asks Moses to throw the staff down But magicians could duplicate that or replicate that right? And then they went they could do two more of You know, they could turn the water into blood and all of that would happen But that was it that is all they could do now if you remember God did not panic Right God did not panic is like, oh, no these people are also doing miracles science and wonders no God's power was far superior Then the power of the magicians in Egypt, right? It is limited that is all they could replicate or duplicate You know it back in Egypt But then we go on to see that there was so much more than God did in Egypt that nobody else could stop God from doing that so Yes, while The fact is that there is the power of darkness that can duplicate all of these things that should not stop you Okay, that should not stop us from continuing to minister in healing and deliverance. Are you with me? Yes see one of the famous examples of How to fit is is through fake currency, right? So how do you does anybody have a currency 10 rupees 100 rupees anything I'll give it back to you Anybody, okay Google pay everybody's on Google pay nowadays. Oh You do okay, so you all know the example that I'm about to give, right? Thank you, okay, so here I have the Indian currency of 200 rupees Okay, so How do we know? So people who identify who are trained to identify the difference between a fake currency and a genuine currency How do how do you think they study? What do they do? How do they become a? Master in identifying fake currencies What do they do? Sorry, they know about the currency right, so I mean Let's say so I am the master of this my profession is to identify fake currencies right counterfeit notes Am I going to sit and study all the fake currencies in the world? They could be hundreds of different, you know 200 rupees notes. That's not the genuine one Will I have the time to sit and go through all of them? No, so what the people who identify the counterfeit notes is they don't study the fake They they study the genuine one really well You understood Right, they don't study all the fake currency notes, you know like hundreds and thousands of it They don't you know, they can go it's just a lot But what they do is they study the genuine one really well from the thickness of its papers to everything What is written on it the print a? Lot of details that goes into the genuine note they studied this really well and That's all they need to do they don't need to sit and identify or study all the counterfeit notes Are you with me right and so the counterfeit will The counterfeit will exist, but it shouldn't stop us from learning from the genuine the authentic Are you with me? Okay, so You can go through the notes your notes where it talks about Moses and the magicians in Egypt Elijah and the prophets of Baal or Baal. What do you want to call it? Okay? Another question we'd like to address is is asking for signs wrong Is asking for signs Wrong in the PDF. I'm in page 25. Okay. Let's read a few scriptures. Shall we? So Matthew chapter 12 verse 38 to 42 It says then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered saying teacher We want to see a sign from you. Okay, please pay attention to the scriptures as I'm reading it, okay? then some of the scribes and Pharisees scribes were people who Were the wise people. Okay, they were in charge of writing the scriptures down. Okay Sometimes even translating scriptures. So they were very smart or very wise people So some of the scribes and Pharisees answered saying teacher we want to see a sign from you But he answered and said to them an Evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the Prophet Jonah For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a great fish So will the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth The men of Nineveh will rise up in judgment with this generation and condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah And indeed a greater than Jonah is here The Queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it But she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of the Solomon and indeed a greater than Solomon is here Okay, one more scripture. Let's read Matthew 16 1 to 4 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came and testing him asked that he would show them a sign from heaven He answered and said to them when it is evening you say it will be fair weather For the sky is red and in the morning it will be foul weather today for the sky is red and threatening Hippocrates, you know how to discern the face of the sky, but you do not discern the signs of the times a Wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the Prophet Jonah And he left them and departed. Okay, so I can go through Scriptures of the scriptures from the notes where it talks about signs and people asking for signs and Jesus did not really give them a sign the No, let's come back to that original question for us. Also Is Asking for a sign wrong why did not why didn't Jesus? Respond to them saying yes, I will show you a sign Testing yeah, okay, so the people who came to ask him for Asking for signs and wonders no Okay, there's something that you need to learn. Okay, there's a difference a very thin line between asking questions and questioning Okay, I'll say that again. There's a very thin line in the difference between asking questions and questioning Okay, what is the difference? It comes down to the motive of your heart Okay, asking question is you're genuinely asking me a question. You put your raise your hands up So I don't I did not understand this. Could you explain one more time? Questioning is How do you know that's true? You see the point, okay, how do you know this is true? Who are you who gave you this thing? Who are you to tell me etc? What are you doing? You're questioning, right? I'm not saying questioning is always wrong. I mean we got but That's why I'm saying there's a very thin line Right and it all comes down to the motive and the intention of your heart Now Jesus could see the people's intention when they asked for a sign They were challenging him or questioning his authority Right and that's why Jesus did not Jesus kind of rebukes them in the scriptures that he tells so Asking for a sign is But the core of it is not really wrong unless your intention and your the emotive is in the right place Okay Okay Okay Boy, I am so sorry guys. My allergies are pretty bad than it is usual Hence the constant sniffing Okay Let's go to the section called the Ministry of Apologetics in your book Ministry of Apologetics It's in page 30 of your PDF Okay, so the Ministry of Apologetics, right? So what does the word apologetics mean? Defending your faith right to defend an auto reason okay to defend your faith if anyone says okay. Hey Bible is corrupted Bible is not credible a Bible is not authentic You know You are able to give a reason and defend is like no, you know, this is why I believe Bible is not corrupted This is why I believe Bible is is authentic and credible. Okay, so apologetics. It simply means to defend your faith Okay, if someone quest come on comes in questions you saying why are you a Christian? I Don't believe in you know in religion. I don't believe in God Are you able to defend your faith? That's what apologetics basically is okay, and I think you have That subject apologetics second year Second year Alright, so look at and one of the famous scripture that is used for explaining Apologetics is from first Peter chapter 3 verse 15 That's Peter chapter 3 verse 15 any person who gives Who says apologetics is important will begin by using this scripture It says Peter saying here, but sanctify the Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give a defense Okay, so that word use there is apologia right to everyone who asked you a reason for the hope that is in you with meekness and fear Okay. Now again just coming back to that word apologetics here The way the world looks looks at apologists is they're they're very highly intellectual Isn't it you heard of the name like nobil kureshi? nobil kureshi, okay Frank Turek so all of these are men who have a ministry in apologetics That means their ministry is to defend the faith or give Arguments about why I believe in Jesus. Why is the Bible authentic and credible, right? Why Christianity is is a true Religion faith, etc So there is this perception that okay every apologist is very high it highly intellectual like super smart People because they have to study a lot, right? But when Peter it's you have to remember who's making this statement over here. It is who? Peter isn't it he's saying always be ready to give a defense Now, let's look at another scripture in Acts chapter 4 was 13 and 14 Acts chapter 4 was 13 and 14 Okay, it says now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John and Perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men Okay, let's pause there for a minute. So when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, what did they see? They saw the boldness it doesn't say that they saw the intellectual brains of Peter and John, you know They marveled know it says the boldness of Peter and John and perceived that they were Uneducated and untrained men they marveled who were they they were fishermen, isn't it? They were fishermen Peter was a fisherman In John chapter 21 when you know, but when Jesus is dead and gone and The disciples don't know that Jesus has risen Peter so discouraged and disappointed he's almost at the brink of depression. So he says I'm going fishing It's there in John chapter 21. He says I'm going fishing Because why when we go into disappointment, we go back to the very thing which is familiar to us Okay, now Peter going fishing is fine. I don't know why the tax collector and I'll say I'm also coming with you Okay So the point is Peter John these were Uneducated and untrained men according to the society then right and they realize it just continuing to read here and they realized that they had been with Jesus and Seeing the man who had been healed standing with them. They could they could say nothing against it Okay So the point here we're trying to make is It is very important that you are able to give a defense for your faith Okay, but apologetics Must be supported with demonstration of the power of God as well. It just only cannot be reasoning Okay, this is very very important. Okay apologetics without demonstration of the power of God Will only be a time of debate and argument Can I say that one more time? Apologetics without a demonstration of the power of God Will only be a one hour of time of debate Okay, so, you know, you have one hour you come in person a will come and present why they believe in God Person B will come and say why they don't believe in God They will have a wonderful, you know time of debate Person a who is a Christian will give wonderful points, but at the end of the one hour Person B will still be an atheist or a person from another faith would not have really been impacted But so that's why it's very important that You do the ministry of apologetics you learn everything about it yet It has to be supported with the ministry and the demonstration of the power of God. Are you are you with me? Yes, because Paul Apostle Paul he demonstrated he reasoned and demonstrated Apostle Paul he defended the faith, but he also demonstrated the power of God. Okay, so let's look at the scripture Acts chapter 22 verse 1 it goes on to say Brotherhood and fathers here my defense apology before you now And then acts 26 24 acts 26 24 says now as he thus made his defense Festus said with a loud voice Paul you are beside yourself much learning is driving you mad So it those are verses just to show that Paul was a very learned man Okay, Apostle Paul was a very learned man The Christian scholars of this day and age say that Apostle Paul had an equivalent of 20 PhDs During his day and age. There's some of you. Yeah, that's no big deal 20 PhDs, you know Some of the Christians call us claim that the intellectual standard of Paul was equivalent to 20 PhDs of our day Try getting one PhD. I dare you And so but it is the person like Paul, you know, who's right who others are testifying that hey You've learned too much and it's driving you mad, but it is the same person that who so well learned also demonstrated You know in the power in in moving in the power of God that acts chapter 13 and Romans 15 you can read all of those For your references Okay Are you all with me any questions so far? No questions Anybody online? Are you all doing okay any questions? Okay So please go through the notes of every of the section that where Paul Demonstrated and defended his faith in your notes. I'm not going through it because there's quite a lot of it Okay, once again, I want to remind us that we are you know We're using this publication as a point of reference to go through so the idea is not to go through page by page by page of it That is for you do it Okay, we're just going to look at very important points and then you know go through the notes Okay, so let's look at let's move into chapter two and Look at God's word on healing God's word on healing Chapter two. That's where we're going to start off Okay, we're going to look at the section talks about the source of sickness disease and ailments okay the source of sickness disease and ailments, okay, so let's go back to the beginning book of Genesis When God created the world he created the world in an Absolute perfection right everything about what he created was Perfect right say perfect Perfect everybody say perfect. Okay. Good. Thank you Right, so everything what he created was perfect unless man disobeyed Right and so and that gave way to Sin Are you with me? So what what did sin do? Gave the license for the kingdom of darkness to come and rule and reign in Art in our dimension in our realm. Okay because of man's disobedience The DK came in so let's look at some more scriptures. So At the first point there talks about man's disobedience a natural process of DK and corruption Set in since the fall. Okay DK and corruption Sets in since the fall so because of the fall all of creation was subject to a process of DK and Perruption that first statement is very important because of the fall. What is the fall? Man's disobedience Okay Due to this process of corruption and DK we have many other conditions such as birth deformities and defects and so on Our human body normally undergoes a process of wearing away These are not God's design or God's original intent But as a result of the sin DK and corruption that prevails overall overall of creation a Time will come when creation itself will be delivered from the corruption It is being subjected to at present. There will be new heavens and new earth Okay, so that whole passage is simply saying that it is because of the fall that we are all become subject to DK and and and sin and corruption. Okay, let's look at Romans chapter 8 was 19 and 23 19 to 23 It says for the earnest expectation of the creation Eagley waits for the revealing of the sons of God for the creation was subjected to futility Not willingly but because of him who subjected it in hope Because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption Into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Okay, let's slow down and read verse 21 again Because the creation itself Also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption. So what does that mean? But it means even creation has been subjected to corruption since the fall Are you with me? So it is not just you and me Because of one man's disobedience The decay and corruption set into all of creation That was that is literally the the strength or the power of sin that it gave license for death Wages of sin is what? that wages of sin is death, okay, so and That kind of set into all creation verse 22 it says For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs to get there until now Not only that we also have the first force of the spirit even we ourselves grown within ourselves eagerly waiting for the adoption the redemption of our body Okay Everything strayed away from God's original design Yeah, I want to ask you this question. How do how would you define sin? Define sin doing anything against the will of God. Okay All right, Sanjay says separation from God. Okay disobedience, okay What else? No, sir, I don't know anything about sin. I don't sin. I am perfect. What do you say for sin in Hindi? Okay, see which is out of our weakness in our flesh. Okay, right, so There's something that you need to understand is there's a difference between a state of sin and acts of sin Okay. Now the day that the minute that I submit and I gave my life to Jesus Okay, at that moment I have eternal life Okay, when I say Lord, I'm a sinner I repent of my sins come into my life I give you my heart come and be the king of my heart. So what what happens? I'm praying the sinners prayer right at that minute. I am saved from the state of sin Okay, so from then on I'm no longer a sinner because Jesus is my righteousness Okay, however, because I'm still living in this physical body. I still have the commit capacity To commit the acts of sin. That means I can still murder I can still take a knife and kill you. Are you with me? Are you with me? Okay, so there's a difference between the state of sin and committing the acts of sin So what we are talking about is how the whole of creation went into the state of sin Because of one man's disobedience all of creation went into the state of corruption and decay Okay, the whole this whole fall kind of begins very very dark over there and so And that's literally where we gave the devil the license. It's like yes, please come in Please come in and destroy our household. You know all of this is yours Okay, you have complete license. That's what sin did basically we strayed away from God's original design Okay, when we go against God's design, that's basically sin and there's a lot of definition for sin and all of your answers are right Okay, and so there's no one particular answer that is right person And so because of that we see that Satan is getting involved in the second point of chapter 2 It's a Satan's activity and direct involvement of demonic spirits So act chapter 10 verse 38. It says all who are oppressed by the Devil act chapter 10 verse 30 it says how God Anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power who went about doing good and Healing all who are oppressed by the Devil for God was with him. Okay, so that's very important that it's very clear that all of this oppression and and and in possessions and in sickness and In pain was caused by the devil So we need to get one thing very clear one thing very straight is God is not the source of sickness Okay another very important key point of You know for you to get this deeply rooted in you know when you knew is that God is not the source of sickness Or oppression. Okay If scripture is very clear about that Jesus went about doing what he did and setting people free all who are oppressed by the devil Okay, so there's a question here from Sunday. That says just a thought we all blame Adam and Eve But would we have done any better in their place? Would we have done any better in their place? I? Don't know about everybody else Sanjay, but I don't think I would have done any It's very easy isn't it for us. You know when I get to heaven. I'm think I'm gonna have a word with Adam But yeah So I'm just going to continue reading the notes the section that says while we know that all sickness are due to demonic spirits Okay, while we know that not all sickness are due to demonic spirits typically the following would be recognized as due to demonic work incurable diseases birth defect deformities unexplainable diseases Symptoms that get worse after prayer and ministry symptoms that seem to move around to different regions of the body during the prayer and ministry Right Shani you have a question. Let's see you raise your hand. Yeah, I just don't understand that It says what we know that all six are due to demonic spirits the following of due to demonic work I don't understand that Okay, yeah, thank you. So let's go through that point one more time Okay, so from we'll go from the previous section where acts chapter 10 verse 38 It says that all who are oppressed by the devil for God was with them. So Jesus went around Ministry setting people captives free You know all who are oppressed by the devil and then goes on to say that while we know that all not all sickness Are due to demonic spirits not all sickness are due to demonic spirits means That question is kind of answered in the next point, which is the natural causes Okay in point number three So for example A simple example would be that Let's say I am eating constantly Without any workout or exercise I you know if I just Call I'm constantly consuming sweets and whatnot and then eventually that leads to obesity and or diabetes It's very easy for me to blame the devil It's okay. This is because of the devil and not take responsibility and say no, it is because of me I did not eat healthy. I did not take care of myself So that is the point that was trying to make their show is that While the sickness and the source of sickness and oppression is from the devil There is a certain responsibility on us as well because we are living in this physical body We need and and it's corrupted and in it and it is you know position to DK Right, that's why we age and that's why things get oh, you know, we get old and all that It is very important for us to take care of our bodies and not you know That's one of the examples and I'm hoping I'm getting there and just give another illustration let's say that I just got healed from an ankle Ligament here whatnot and you prayed for me and I am healed Right, so my ankle is absolutely fine now My ligament is strong whatnot right but I'm not going to be foolish enough to go and jump off a big tall High wall and hurt myself again and then blame the devil again for that right it was I Climb the wall and it was I chose to jump off the wall and hurt myself again and so And that's what that statement actually means Sorry, so I hope that makes sense. Okay. Yes Yeah, okay Right, so thanks for that question because that's what's leading to the next point and will probably stop with that is Re-emphasizing that point is a personal physicals problem physical problems could be because of other natural causes such as neglect lack of proper care of the body or mind Improper diet use of substance such as alcohol drugs smoking or due to accidents Okay All of this can happen, right I mean you don't take care of your body properly lack of proper diet improper diet, etc. Etc. Our users of alcohol drugs and all of that has a direct impact on your body, isn't it? But the good news is that Lord Jesus Christ came to be the complete remedy for the fall for sin He came to redeem us from demonic oppression and he by his mercy and power reverses even the effects of natural causes And Lord Jesus came to be our savior healer deliverer and redeemer Amen so that's where we're at I'll kind of stop here and I'm actually thinking I'll take the next hour Off and we'll continue with the following week Because I'm constantly slipping. Sorry about that guys. I hope that's okay if you have the next hour break and Yeah, apologies. I know we've missed a couple of classes already, but Yeah, I don't keep sniffing and sneezing here Okay, thank you all so much for joining I want to encourage you all once again to go back home and Go through these notes and revise them again. Just so your foundations gets stronger All right. Thank you all for joining. I'll see you all next week. Bye. Bye