 Jordan, how are you mate? All good mate, yourself? Yes, it's a real honour to have you on the show. I think, I think you're the first actual boxer we've had on the podcast. Let me know, I appreciate having you mate, listen, I'll talk about you mate, so, some man, some man. Yes, well we do our best, but, hang on, I've got a fly on my bloody screen. Goodbye. No, I'm really honoured mate, I'm really honoured. First off, congratulations on everything you've achieved. And also, putting that to one side, the message you're putting out for young people, especially young people that might be, you know, going down a pathway that they're going to regret, picking up a knife, you know, doing the drug thing or whatever. You're a good man, you know? I'm going to do medicine for the next generation. We've all come through hard times and what not. So, you know, others are nice people on our journey, you inspire people, you know, inspire others on the way. So, at least I could do medicine, I love where I come from and it's the way the world's got me. I want to pay a big part in building people up. So, yeah, I think it's key, I think it's key. Yeah, and it's similar, isn't it? Tyson Fury, he always puts a good message out, doesn't he? Yeah, now, yeah, he's with the spotlight and he's gone through as well. You know, he's a living proof himself that you can turn your life around. And it's the same as me from my estate. It's not come from quite a rough estate. It's just proven that I'm one of the most talented. I started late, but I worked hard, kept my head down. Made the right choices. They did take my future. And then we're here. So, you know, they can go, okay, it's too early for me, I can do it. Excuse that, people a little bit. It shows that it's possible. Yes. Did I hear you grew up in the same estate as Tommy Robinson? Yes, yeah, yeah. I know Tommy actually is very well. Yeah, he's just had a new documentary come out, hasn't he? Yeah, I think the rape was great. Yeah, I think it's part two of a, well, obviously a two-part thing that he's done, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I've listened to a bit of it. I've just listened to a speech you did and life was a bit rough growing up. And you, we probably shared the same thing that you've had a bit of childhood trauma. Can you tell us a bit about it? Yeah, no, listen, mate. So, as far as I stop, mate, because it's mad like growing up, listen, we're coming from rough already, do you know what I mean? My dad's and all his brothers, they've all done long, long prison sentences. So, I mean, all five of them. So, it was brought out rough and tough, you know, they were all kids. So, it was always like, my other cousins are always like in the back garden and my granddad's always having like the gloves on at young age, fighting for the half himself. So, like, they were quite good memories, I mean, as a childhood. I was always sad and very upset is my, I lost my dad. Well, I said I lost, he's still alive, but he had to drink and drugs, mate. He ruined the, ruined my upbringing, he ruined his life and his marriage, he lost the house. Traumatised my mum, like, this is my mum. I've seen a lot of things growing up, mate. A hell of a lot, mate, from both sides, from, you know, abusing my mum, just, you know, waking up to see my mum and I bought my bed, you know, my bed and booth, my house was in the ambulance, so it's a different way to, my mum's, you know, throwing her chairs over with her dad's head and, you know, I've seen, you may have seen some mass stuff, mate, honestly. So, I don't want to get too deep by this, it's all character building. You can use it, I'll use it as a positive motivation. Oh, I had to be the man in the house already. So, it was going to be that hustle, you know, we had no money, we lost the house, we had no money. I was, you know, going around to shops, far through the night, you know, getting by sweets for a pound, two pounds, sitting in that school, making 10, 50 pounds a day because I knew that would pay for my school dinners and, you know, that would help out at home, do you know what I mean? So, always forced outside the box, but, yeah, like, this man was like, even growing up and all my dad done and my mum done that, it's, my whole, even my family always say to me, I think, you know, I think we're just going to have a dad and one last thing. What was in my future dictates to me? Do you know what I mean? I used to map that one. Yeah, it's a big map, because you know, even now, like, it's been 10, 15 years, I'm still finding out things now and like, oh, mate, like, a few years I was told to hate my dad. It's just mad, it's just been a mad, you know, mad, it's mad, it's sad, but you know what, like, through boxing, kind of releases hate, and I started to be a little bit silver, because all of that, you know, see him do well, you know, it's just two sides of the story and whatnot, so I've been a, he rang me a few months ago, actually, and he broke down crying. It's the first time he ever, like, rang me and crying, and he was like, I want to get stopped. I've been trying to help him through rehab, had a name for him again, on the weekend, and he said, he was found unconscious the other day, last week, in town, but I was just like, you know, people send me videos and all that, fucking hell, like, it's horrible to see, do you know what I mean? It's just, it's an illness, you know what I mean? It's an illness, and it makes, it's very hard, it's heartbreaking, honestly, it's horrible. So, I was just now trying to get him to rehab every Saturday, you know, to talk, but he's very old school, he's like, I've done what he's done, but when he's in prison and things like that, I've done all these talks and whatnot, so in his head, I'm like, he needs to wonder for himself, do you know what I mean? And like, he wants it, but it's so hard, do you know what I mean? It's hard, and like, I've been, I've been having conversations with myself, right, and to adopt those, I was just going to get a hotel mate and just lock him up with me and drive him out, but I can kill him, I didn't hurt him really, I was lucky, you know, I was lucky. So, but yeah, I would do, it's just a hard one, mate, because I just want to concentrate on myself as well, but I've always kind of tried to, yeah, it's a bit of a lousy one, so I look after my mum, look after my dad, support my sister, it's just mental, mate, traumatised family, mate, it's mental, but it is what it is, isn't it, it's a matter of some mad stuff, but I've gone on there, I've seen some mad stuff, but we're all from the council states, we all share all the bad stuff, you know what I mean, so I'll have to make sure we break sure. And do you think learning to understand your dad's situation, where he come from, forgiveness, do you think that's released you to go forward without the bitterness and the hate? I'm saying, mate, you can't hate, you know what I mean, it's my old man and he's always like, you can't blame him, you've got to blame his dad and his dad, what happened, you know, what happened as he was a kid and what not, so I mean, I love my granddad, my brother used to be a best friend, he was an old school man, he used to sleep back there, he used to be a bouncer in London, he was old school, he was quite heavy handed imagine him being heavy handed to his boys, do you know what I mean, so there must have been something going on in that child with all the brothers, I'd say three or four out of five who I call Holic's me, do you know what I mean, so yes, it's the upbringing, mate, yeah, it's been mad, it's mad, it's mental, but listen, you've got a lot of full pizza on myself and I just want to crack on myself, I just wish everyone could be happy, do you know what I mean, I'm getting married next year, so I'm like, I'll be engaged in December and I'll be with a realist, I'll be with the wedding it's that real, I'll do nothing but that's going to be a lot of fun but we need to try and just have something where we can all remember, you know what I mean, because every time I've been away as a kid with my family and whatnot it's always traumatic, but there being my mum, my mum, my dad, it would be good just to I end up leaving home when I was 16 but I just want to run the family in Essex to keep away and where I've separated myself, I've seen nice things it's possible, these big houses I can't do that, I've done a lot for myself and I'm still on my journey it's still a long way to go, I've been through 400 years and look after my missus, look after my nephew, I go out to my restaurants, I'm doing alright can only laugh to be different, so I'm grateful but I kind of want to give my family, I'm going to pay for my family and I want to show them more than the estate come on, you know what I mean so like, I take him all the way to Mexico, a little island called Holbos, and I just want to show him that especially my nephew, he's young he's just sitting in a stooping like a mackerel, you know what I mean so you've got to listen to his life experiences, if you're staying in the estate too long, you get caught up in bullshit, you know what I mean you watch the movie and it's nice you get fucking brainwashed I'm glad you said that you end up wandering around Tesco's with your underpants on your face yeah, yeah, you know yeah, it is mate it is, and that's that's the whole other thing again that stay off that because I want to highlight your story but I'm glad you said that I don't understand anything, I was in Italy when all these videos were coming out I was like, mate I'm in Italy, it's the worst place people are on the news where's that got it's mental, we won't go down that hole anyway I was in Italy as well when all this kicked off yeah, I was snowboarding over there it was all pine it was pine, everyone was fine everyone was fine it just shows media, the fear it's mental I think it was just a test mate how many people they controlled because fucking mad mate mad mate, yeah everyone will give if they think it's for their security they'll give their rights away and then you're gonna look back one day I was gone mate people going, I love my country freedom of speech my freedom is long gone mate you was told to stay in the house for the last two years mate I had the best lockdown ever mate I was travelling all around being a missus best spars, no one was around did you know what I mean it's sad mate it's gonna be a major that's why I'm quite passionate about the next generation mate because it's a viral time for them even with the social media people are like, it's not good for them not good for them but it's hard because that's the way the world is going you've got to evolve as well do you know what I mean it's hard one mate it's good though mate, it's good that young people have got there I say role models like you and me to look up to because who are they gonna believe you or me or Piers Friggin Morgan you know some lily-livered coward who's done pretty much nothing with his life except gossip and scandal about other people and goes on like he knows how it is when he's brought up in a very posh school down between me silver spoon and he's about 10 years behind of it anyway Jordan tell me did you have any boxing films when you grew up that inspired have you ever seen one called The Champ The Champ, no I haven't my boxing film was one about Rocky Marson I used to watch The Bull was it Rage and Bull I used to watch that obviously Rocky Balba was the big film I used to watch that now for a bit of motivation did I lean and there's another one mate he lost his job or something like that he broke his hands he's a development oh yeah okay yeah yeah yeah then I have to give that a little watch to The Champ oh look at that The Champ for people like well there's a bit in it right he's played by John John oh my god my brain cells are dying off at a rapid rate I'll think of his name in a minute but he's got this little boy that loves him right I don't think it's his son it's just this little kid and The Champ goes in for like this big fight and the kids there you know cheering him on and all this sort of stuff and he gets knocked out and he dies and then there's this bit in the film where the little boys trying to tie his shoelaces I can't remember who the other character is at this point but I'm just getting upset thinking about it he just looks at him and says I just can't tie my leg just that bit you broke me man you know it just broke me he loved The Champ oh look at that yeah Midnight Cowboy John Voight is the guy he was in another film called Midnight Cowboy which is an absolute classic as well so yeah boxing films have done a lot for boxing haven't they especially old Rocky yeah because they condensed down 12 rounds into like you know a lot of it is through laughing it's how it is you know what I mean it's always a backseat story it's always someone from the block you know what I mean so we can relate to it it touches people when did you first go into a boxing gym I went to I did tie boxing for a bit I was actually fat chubby kid so I went there for a bit maybe 12-13 done a bit of tie boxing yeah I had a few fights actually I just don't know I was rather hanging out with my mates to be honest with you and then I was like 16 when I first like went to the gym and I had a spar I thought I could have it with everyone so I went to the pro gym I was in a lot of trouble so I was like alright and I was 16 I was shy so I went to the train and I said let me spar you know I had the box mate I said yeah let me just fight him he's a pro in the ring I was like come on and he just put me down and I threw a full towel so I thought fuck you know but that there made me love it and then ever since that day I never left the gym I lived in the gym I ended up like taking care of school and just like working there 10-10 and then I just excelled mate from there I went to Westam sent my country and just excelled mate in the middle so yeah like I always there's that tough time like just like go swallow it do you know what I mean do you know what I mean that's what made me to sleep right and that's never gonna happen to me again did I hear you spent a bit of time in Bromley yeah I threw that out yeah I was I ended up moving to Stratum I started travelling to Bromley that's where my books out now anyway yeah that's where I was born that'd be nice to wear as well yeah I haven't been there for years and years and years we left it when I was a little kid so I kind of feel like it's my roots and I don't I'm always fascinated when I have a guest knows Bromley Bromley sound mate yeah do you remember your first like actual fight yeah I remember the first time I was in Leeds I went up there and I stopped him in about 30 seconds mate and that's when I was like my trainer was grandma and I think that's where he was like alright I kept fishing I didn't fight I did gym for a few weeks it was a pro gym so like we had to send you to an amateur club to be affiliated so I remember stopping him and I was like yeah I stopped him in a book again it was a proper one like the ABA one it was in Stevenage Stevenage Nightclub and Lewis Calvert I still kept chatting to him Lewis Calvert's name was and the thing I stopped him in the third round my old member that last fight there I was out of the feeling in the dressing room because I was like I could have just walked out and went home I was so nervous I was so fucking scared so scared mate do you know what I mean I'll bet Kendall mate so yeah but yeah I remember that I was yesterday mate I remember all my early fights I'll tell you like what I used to do is called milling right they chucked you they chucked you in a ring I think you've got gloves and a headguard on and then you have three one and a half minute rounds with someone who's about your size and I got this lad and I thought oh brilliant I've got the smallest lad in my troop right yeah I didn't realise I was the smallest lad in the troop he was bigger than me and we batted each other I mean we just did not stop win-milling, throwing punches and before I knew it it was over but I can't remember a single it's just a blur there was no skill or art or any Queensby rule batted each other I think I'm interested to know how do you sort of stay calm and stick to training it takes years it takes years you're in there for a job you're in there for a lot of books some of the ego and then the ego gets in front of them so it's all about taking over ego cool competition you're in there for a job, the game plan and you've got to be calm people think you've got to be angry it seems like that so yeah, it's a clear mind work on what you need to work on and just breathe it's a state of mind clear mind it doesn't matter because sometimes it gets hard but you've just got to relax it's all about being relaxed trust in your ability keep behind your shoulders and trust it because there have been times in the early days when I got into the Olympic team when I went to Germany the first day I boxed unbelievable mate being a very good lad and I boxed a German kid in his back garden and he called me for a couple shots and just like just like and just like it's like I went back to my old like my trauma, my childhood and just like something made it closer than it was and I'm losing it, I want to make the decision it just proves like it's all in your mind mate do you know what I mean? everything is anyway, my 5% of stuff my 5% of everything is in my mind 5% is physical I believe do you know what I mean? yeah it's an interesting old thing I think, because in my childhood experiences something in my mind wants to shut off when it gets, you know when violence comes in I think it's just from you know, learning not learning, but survival mechanism that your brain just shuts it down because the horror of it is too much to you know when you're a toddler you can't deal your brain can't deal with it you know yeah trauma, trauma mate it's mad like whoever and ways of cooking and stuff it's mad to have this great it's mad I'm fucking mental I've already like things have happened I've already like planned everything out I've made a video of my head before anything could happen it's the worst scenario I've gone boom boom boom mental it's fine it's fine it's mental mate yeah I'll get that I'll get it I think a little bit of what I bring in it's the trauma growing up it's the survival mechanism but yeah just a mate like if you use it you can use it to have a violence as well you know what I mean yeah do you ever think if you didn't have these childhood experiences there's so much that you wouldn't know now or you wouldn't we'd be different people wouldn't we I think we'd be society mate yeah we'd be we'd be scared of the bogey man yeah yeah I feel like I'm I'm hungry I don't know I think I think it sets you up like my sister is the opposite to me a little bit as she is but like it's mental but I feel like I'm hungry I have to make it Jordan can you tell us about the Olympics you were on this team for a few years were you not yeah how many Olympics did you go to no it was just the Olympic circle so it was running team I think I had like 12 fights I won all my fights I was the undefeated coming to the captain got a trial for the Olympic team and then yeah go on so three or four years with him I travelled the world with Kazi start book books the best way sometimes on a day notice I was like yeah go on anyway at least the worst happened I get knocked down I don't even care this is my apprenticeship me and I like books of Kazi, Russians, Ukrainians all around the world American great pedigree you learn a lot life cultures are out there so the last year on the Olympic team was my best year unbelievable I enjoyed it the most won every gold 4 or 5 tournaments one on one and then I won the gold in Belarus I was going to fight 5 fights in a week you go to Olympic qualifier and I won a gold but they ended up trying some other fellow who I beat the GBs they sent in to test him out so I was just thought I am going to win more so I turned pro and then COVID here anyway and then everything was delayed for them anyway I was still boxing so things always worked out for me mate I've always had my career before every breakthrough something mad happens a week before I went to the Olympic trial one last show lift I ruptured my long-headed bicep I was fucked everyone on the team had big 20 come on I can't straighten my elbow still cracked down then I turned pro then I turned pro then that year I said it was the best year I stepped on my disc in my back so I had to fight for a whole year no one saw this yet I had to fight for a whole year I was going to Sheffield people don't see this I was on the way to Sheffield just standing up for 2.5 hours mate because I couldn't sit down I was fucked so I had a year had that year done a fucking mate I just walked great year boxing when we would have gone then then then Covid came I kept on turning pro before my debut I would get a fucking brain scan thing come up I was like fuck so I could all test get through that have my first pro fight then Jan Arden then I stopped my other fella then I had my big breakthrough my 4th professional fight big breakthrough come in I've done over 610 years week before my disc still tendon surgery out again now I'm back but now things are happening to me now I've been chatting to a few people it's mental mate easy to swallow about a week off dwelling cracked on me kept in the gym working outside Robbie Chapman was your first professional fight you'd had 100 fights at this point 112 fights 112 amateur fights so what a nose mate um yeah it's one night in Bangkok in my case literally one night in Bangkok won't be doing that again so 100 fights that's a lot and was your first professional fight all you thought it was going to be yeah like it was quite deep normally boxed probably when you've had an A-9 pro fight it's tough durable mate if you can win it win he's a strong man and it was at middle weight I'm doing super I'm doing like middle weight so yeah I showed everything I showed my boxing skills I showed how to punch I showed everything the next fight it's all about taking the boxes mate early it was tough durable game I had people southpaw completely opposite me I put him down about three or four times in the far after that was Italian head so taking the boxes still got a long way to go mate still got a long way to go mate but I'm doing his time it's going to be a big year mate how many pro fights have you had now three who's your next opponent so I'm just obviously I just have surgery you know so I'm in recovery but I'll be boxing in about a month or two and I'm going to talk in terms to get signed up with Sky Sports so we're going to see we're going to weigh things out at this time now I want to make sure I'm prying you know this game's a business and you know I want to talk about my big tickets that I made you know I'm selling five or six hundred tickets just from wider mouth and my own social media when I get a big TV behind me it's going to be like Ricky Handes that's all for me listen there's these belts that's fucking egoistic don't get custody mate I want to just I can do my people proud mate make a few kids go boxing in America mate bring 7000 fans Brits over there that's what I'd rather do talk about making a few kids yeah and talking of money how is there enough money in it for you at the moment I mean do you get sponsors and this kind of stuff yeah you have sponsors I don't even have a sponsor mate because I don't know I lost about 43 grand from November to now I had a big 10 week camp in November got to the fire weighed in he didn't go on his flight from France so I was like fucking hell they didn't get paid nothing so I thought I want to go away to Mexico get engaged I had this big opportunity in February so I was enjoying myself stay clean travel around get engaged so that was a few kids got back week before they had a fucking 12 grand surgery bill I was like one more graft of me I was back working making drinks and stuff doing this time mate I don't have a sponsor mate I don't have a sponsor mate people dropped me anyway when you were back boxing I was like when I am back during this time I have been meeting people so when I am back on the big stage mate if you can't be with me in the hard times they are not there I don't know I will graft me I will work hard man I will always do alright man I don't have to make a few kids sponsors help push up your shoulders if I need it but I will do my own thing mate tell us about the 50's music and the dancing that's class remember obviously I am a street lad I grew up in UK that's my music country music 50's music it's just good stories good stories that relate to country music I don't know it's my music mama just sit down mate just zone out zone out it's just a story mate I love country music I have always been fascinated by the dance most of the old music video films I don't like it I want to try that now I am engaged to the professional dancer she does all that I am attracted to it mate but I like it mate it's just a long story it's good to be individual Jordan listen we have a lot of noise coming in now can you explain it Spanish yeah see that see that that's what I meant no it's okay basically the choir room the last thing I wanted to ask you mate was was about the cold water immersion because this is you know this is this is all like new technology or new knowledge it's all been hidden from us for years and Wim Hof came out and started to spread the word now it's massive and it's incredible I tell everybody it's just I tell everyone if you can just do one thing in a more well there's a few things very very simple things but one of them is hot shower cold shower every day it really sets you up but of course for injury cold water is good as well right I think yeah I think for your mental state control control and stress because the first thing you do it's not trying to bring it in even though I'm trying to go to the gym so I want to try to bring this in do ice baths in the morning the first thing you do is ice bath fucking your panic control your breath and your breathing even a clear mind and trust in it and just dipping down because it's all good mate it's all good for your mental state for your immune system I can do it I've been afraid of that mate I've never will I've never will mate I always catch up cold so don't jump in the cold water mate you've had your cold my little cold lake swims I've been mate so the benefits yeah I'm high and you know what even saunas can be a lot of saunas and the doctors don't ever tell you this but if you have a saunas a week once a week mate you've got to learn a little bit longer mate because the best details um I'm literally halfway through building one in the garden now should be should be finished this week I've just had all the electric put out the back and it's cost me a pretty penny I didn't think it was I thought I was going to do it on a cheat but there's no getting away you've got to have the right word and the right electrics and a good heater and all this sort of stuff but I love it like you said I absolutely love it Jordan I just want to finish on a positive not that this whole chat hasn't been positive but what can we say to young people out there that might be you know they want to try their hand at the noble the noble art of boxing but maybe they're a little bit nervous about you know going in a gym on their own or what can we say I won't even say boxing or what not just find something you love and go for it and stick out make that right choice go on the lonely road instead of going out with your mates they're always going to be there they're always going to be at the shop they're always going to be there every week and doing the same thing take a risk it's always there potato risk sacrifice make it there mate just go time up with your day and stick to it and that's it the war is over so stick into it mate and I'm guessing the gym environment it might seem quite daunting to some but I bet everyone's really friendly there yeah 100% it's always there I don't know how to feel about it I went down to London I was training by myself when I was 16-17 years old I was speaking to myself it's intimidating it's intimidating but you know what police have had a comfort zone and if they know there's nothing good it becomes easy so just go with it and you'll meet some of the best people in your life out of the gym just take that step take that first step brilliant Jordan look we're going to let you get back to your training massive thank you for coming on the show we'll put all your all have a look at the TV behind you oh I fell hey folks we're bringing you it all on this podcast right? yeah it is yes no mate just massive thank you thanks for your example that you're setting to people Jordan it's really appreciated you can pick up a knife and then end up doing 12 years in prison and lose all your all your young years or you can step foot in a gym and actually really even if you don't have a single professional fight you can really make some of your life can't you it builds them fundamentals in life discipline, marriage and more if you don't do anything business stuff with us 100% definitely we're going to put all your links below this video I hope one day I can come to the gym and you can teach me a few moves yeah I'd love that mate I'll bring my GoPro whatever and we'll make a video and go for some food after or something and listen you're always welcome back on the show anytime we can help you out if you want to come and promote your next fight come and let us know how the training is going and how people can get tickets and all this sort of stuff yeah no worries Jordan don't stay on the line because I know you've got stuff to do so I'm just friends I much love to you all thanks for tuning into another episode of the board of t-shirt podcast if you can like and subscribe folks that would be wonderful and we'll see you next time thank you