 Nigerian still breath under President Numbu's administration will find out. Baista state, the battle for the Baista state governs intensifies as political parties prepare for the November 11 governorship election in the state. I am Bola Orba, I'll face its plus politics. Nigerians from across the country are lamenting their ships in the land, crying out for urgent measures by the government at all levels to mitigate their suffering which they said was becoming intolerable. They want their failure to genuinely tackle the myriad of difficulties and deprivation. The citizens are suffering, they inflict their consequences on the country in no time. They are joining me live in our studio to dissect this is Aki I Fatunke Eskwa. He is CEO of Konekla and Associates Communications Consultants. Good to have you live in the studio. I'm very happy to be here with you, Bola Orba. And I'd like to say good evening. We are in evening time in Nigeria depending on where you are located. It's a global broadcast. People watch live on YouTube. And so the idea of... In time zone differences. But I haven't said that. It's good to have you. State of the nation. I'm so happy to be here. Yes. Let's start with the issue of this yacht. It seemed to me the endless of the president must have made a major snuffle for such a ridiculous line item to make its way into the supplementary, the proposed supplementary budget document. At some point the presidency came out and denied study doubts. Why would an item make it into the budget when ordinarily according to one of the presidential spokesperson at a meeting that it was not included by the presidency. Then the National Assembly, the lower chamber of National Assembly, National House of Representatives claimed that they rejected it and passed it. To the students known for. And this morning a prominent senator was on a live TV show and said that indeed the vessel or the craft had been delivered and that they only needed to approve the fund to pay for it that it had been delivered. And one is now left in a situation or at least Balaba is now left in a situation where am I the one who does not understand what it takes fortunately you are a chartered accountant. You even worked directly with the president in his days of mobile before. So I'm thinking am I the one who does not understand anymore the meaning of budgeting or has budgeting been taken to another comedic level in the public governance in Nigeria. Please help us. Again thank you Gola and in all what you have said you don't have to be a chartered accountant for you to have common sense. You don't have to be a chartered accountant for you to see reds and you want to call it it goes by exactly what it is accounting budgeting is exact. It's either written in English or written in some other language that can be interpreted to you and then you have numbers. The numbers must die. The description of what you call in in budget heading cost accounting heading management accounting now means properly described. I am going to be very honest with you because at this stage of my life Mr President now what about in competence is deliberate to do some other rigmarole is yet another thing. I do not believe that we are being properly administered at all levels. I don't know where that faults at the end of the day one is going to be able to situate it. But in private sector voila. A thing like this will cost some heads to roll not only roll will not come back. The way it happens is aching to you wanting to fly a plane. Ground troops, the engineers, studied of all the dotting of eyes and crossing of teeth must be properly done before you take off. Reason being if you take off that is not where you are not going to be arguing whether it is A or B or C or D. Anything goes wrong there even if it is cosmetic. In the first place the supplementary budget is more than due. We knew we are running into this. Libor was going here and there. Subsidy is gone, it's back and all that kind of thing. We know that we are bursting at the seams. It is at that point that people begin to put the numbers together. And numbers are developed both of them down the line. And when the navy, the army, whether the budget office itself, whether the chief of staff to the president and all that will have shifted all through, signed off at any point in time. So if you are going to be giving me a document, you will just give me what you call casting. You the computer to do the arithmetic, you put some little controls here and there those numbers are driving. And there will not be numbers who just stop slot. It's late from the bottom number and what have you. I am constrained to believe that somebody, somebody somewhere, and I don't know who that person is. The only person I know is Mr. President himself. The box stops. It has to bear this kind of warmth. I think you trim a bit under the table and I like it. I like it. I'll tell you why I say I like it. You said I worked with Mr. Bola Chinumbu then back in Mumbai. He knows very well that this kind of mistake did not happen. It's not possible. It's not going to be acceptable now. Is it therefore possible humanly speaking to make a mistake? Such mistakes will have been detected ever before It got into the presentation of the National Assembly. I am telling you that mistake will have been discovered at much lower level. Yacht. Is it looking funny? Is that what you mean? Mr. President, it's not... Because it's sense of... Mr. President, if you say it's looking right to you and I don't think it's looking right, can you put your hand down in paper that you have said that this is looking right before I finally load it in? It goes through such a level... Bola, we are talking about insensitivity. There is nothing that you can compare to the kind of trust deficits that this has gone through. If it is now going to be the house of reps and the Senate that will now begin to juggle around and then try to save face... No, come on. As an accountant? I am not... Let's even put aside the fact that you worked for quite a while, a long while, in an IOC, the National Life Company. You people subject yourselves to best practices and the best of standards, be it in engineering, accounting, management. Let's take that aside now. I was shocked this morning when a ranking senator of the upper chamber of the Nigerian legislature said that they approved the budget for vehicles to members of their chamber without asking for which specific brand or model of vehicle that they were going to use the money to buy, that they just approved the money. Bola... Maybe something about me, maybe I am losing my... You are saying and you are right, you are headmaster. You know the rule of headmasters? Headmasters mark you so harshly that you go out there to fly and nobody can... can even find a way to bring you down. Budgeting approved something and yet you said in public that you did not bother to link the price to the brand model. You just approved. Bola... The long I shot of this is that we are not being administered. We are not being governed. That's the truth. Isn't that a bit too heavy? It's not heavy. But that's the result of what we are seeing. Now, it is idea the ranking senator and that's possible. He's coming to give us a fee. In other words, he's come to exaggerate. That's possible. Or he's not exaggerating. He's merely put a mirror to let us look at the way we are. But Bola, I happened to know that in our public and civil service over the period me working in private sector and interacting with private... with the public sector, I know quite a number of things that happen that you will never believe can happen. Is that not an embarrassment? No. We don't necessarily consider Bola, that the ranking senator is right or wrong. Don't you think... It's not the case of being... it was his own account. If you look at the body picture and stuff like that, you know something, it's amaze. When you have Ali Baba and the 40 tips, yes, Ali Baba is Ali Baba. The 40 tips are 40 tips but you hardly find any of the 40 tips going to squeal on Ali Baba and vice-versa. They have a way of covering their nest. Something is not going right and so, what am I going to do? If I'm not getting it my way, I'm just saying, I will just find a way to top it. To now perhaps look right in the eyes of the public. But not for crying out loud. What do you think happened in Judiciary when Musa Dalijo was living? He made some comments. Quite right. Jim is not yet out. Whether on his way out, he decided to put a bomb on the rest, which means he's been carrying some things that he was not happy about. Maybe he's carried for so long and then the only thing is to do a kind of thing. Go out there in the plane, look for a bomb and let the old house come down. The bottom line at the end of the day, bola is simple. We are not being governed. We are not being ordered and we are not structured. It's showing on a regular basis. What happens in the private sector that you will never have something like this? If it becomes to the four, you are going to be giving some training down the line. And if you cannot shift in, you will be shaped out. And if you are not fit for purpose and if you know that you don't have all the honors and you are not cleanable, then you get out of it. I want to tap richly into your pedigree and your antecedents in the oil industry decades long and please permit me. I'm sitting there now as an IGN who exists in a country where my president while delivering his inaugural speech said subsidy was gone. Ordinarily the following, the pump prize of petrol immediately reflected the reality of his pronouncement. And along the line as a result of some international situations and our own cesspit of maladies. I don't know why Nigeria is the only major oil exporting country on the face of the earth that does not have a functional refinery. But that's a topic for another day. It became obvious that the international prize of crude kept going up as of today AGO that is diesel that is also equally deregulated is selling at about 1300 naira per liter and yet petrol is selling average now if you look at the prize in Lagos around 580 if you look at the prize in Yobi around 670 or 700 somebody was saying yesterday the average is around 650 so we are in a situation now where NNPC if there is no subsidy why is that major differential between the pump prize of PMS that is petrol and that of AGO can you help us? we cannot be told the truth because we cannot be told the truth we cannot be told the truth because of the dramatis personae in and out in economics there is something you call a lag lag too has its own differential effects on the prize we are selling today or tomorrow now AGO automotive gas oil has been deregulated over time the thing has picked times people already have what you can call a back stock that has come in over time and so you could easily draw a line and say yes this is likely to be the demand this is not what we have with petroleum motor spirits petrol petrol is being speculated and it is highly very political unlike AGO that has not been deregulated suddenly there has not been or has been deregulated for so long that has never been deregulated AGO PMS has not been deregulated and suddenly Mr.president now then came and said subsidy is gone subsidy is gone on the ordinary meaning of it if you look at PIA and if you knew that there was no provision no appropriation of subsidy after 30th of after 30th of June it gave the speech on the 29th of May if not then it's like saying Nigerians get set there is no appropriation anymore for subsidy subsidy is like gone yesterday but in public communications especially in stuff surrounding policy you must be very very very careful the way you smile don't forget like I said there is a lot of politics of surrounding PMS the smugglers are there the kidnappers are there the bad boys are there the navy and every other person is there they already have a bit of a a backlog one of the things they are going to do is to start to hoard subsidy is gone May 29 if I hoard now I know I can always get an increase in price the following day and so the you think that very afternoon from that very afternoon some filling stations because down the line the chain the retail outlets they have stock and they know this is like a super normal time for them to make profit but I don't sell as much as whatever it is so that you can you begin to speculate speculation then comes into it my thinking is that you cannot you cannot by way of a commonsensical reasoning look at AGU look at JTA1 the one that flap and then look at you know kerosene which is like a sister product to JTA1 you will naturally notice the prices of those ones will move but it will not it will not be as much as you have in PMS PMS is hot product it moves along the plant in the course of food people begin to sit down and speculate if the dollar if the plant in the course of food is going to move in the next 2-3-4 days it pays me to just keep whatever it is I want to say so that why they think now they are most a bit of a scarcity and then able to make a kill what we don't have generally is that sense of patriotism and sense of what you call it now the sense of compassion and when they announce this even women selling ogis will say her ogis also will link the dollar and all that that we unfortunately unfortunately I really have to ask you this seemingly simplistic question answer them down is there subsidy now in the pricing of PMS petrol but no but your opinion is you know the answer I know the answer and in between can play politics if it costs to you if it costs you 100 Naira to buy a product you are selling for 18 Naira and you decide to sell for 15 Naira so tell me there is a leakage somewhere government magic government magic they call blue into red and all that kind of stuff look okay so a much more serious note government and NNPC cannot face the likes of me and say there is no subsidy subsidy is being returned certainly from the back though is being returned perhaps at a relatively lower level I was talking to you about stock you cannot lie to yourself and play and put the price down you always talk about at the friendlier price before which is a hot cake remember you have also done me a favor and I think may be helpful to my audience and that is the fact that you are basically saying if my deduction is right you are basically saying that subsidy is not only back from the back though but as it is now as it is now that is why it is only the NNPC and still the major importer of petrol because no other person can import those who are supposed to import don't forget probably to the financial account don't forget all needs the books are now being opened they first of all take their own operation costs and your operation costs will be Bukorai Bukorai that will make you to know them as modeling now in case if I am in control of all these things I know I can make a lot of money smuggling and I can continue to just smile to the bank while I am borrowing a lot of funds to say that I am I am the one that is bringing it in don't forget in between I will go look for contaminated product bring it into Nigeria commingle them you know the story many that on the houses I will have computed my subsidy fake subsidy on them I will take my deduction away from I am just telling you the practical I will take a lot of these things I will bring a little there and then everybody begin to scramble for it still then the labor will not then say it has to be at this particular price we run to the right we run to the left and then the thing will be so scarce we will not then say we are going to align the plot is going up anytime the plot goes up it is not a very good tale now there is something you mentioned just now there are so many other inefficiencies these months we will just be wondering why we have refineries and all that kind of stuff we have run all those down another subject for another thing people that says a protocol reference is going to come in December and all that that good thing was supposed to have come in so many other things excuse now is that there is no supply of crude no they say they have started to supply crude there is so much of pickness there is so much there is no transparency transparency international and I think Femi Fala know had come, has been on this for quite a while has come to say look we know who these bad boys and bad girls are but the only challenge is that the bad boys and the bad girls are the ones that are supposed to be policing the whole thing and the ones that are in the corridors of power actually for Tunke I cannot but bring you back on your your wrap up message now on the quality of governments that some of the facts that we have addressed in this very brief session on the quality of governments that needs to be put in place for at least a modicum of progress sustainable development to happen Bola if you are the father in this house one of the things that I will be looking up to is if I can trust you if I cannot trust you Bola even if you have the best of the best intentions even written in paper you won't go anywhere you give me food you give me three cross mail I will still feel that I don't trust you the trust deficit in government is huge and wide and everything including where we started from Bola I mean yachts office of the first lady billions look at the national assembly you just mention it why will anybody believe you if you told me that there is no food in the house and I see that you are also cutting your coat I mean you are not eating you are not going out I am coming to look to and then asking me to I will not I will not behave like labor I want to have my own now too so what we need to do therefore in my honest opinion are low hangers look other aspects about physical policy monetary policy having a kids spending tax net going into marine economy going into justice system and all that is that Nigerians expect my former boss I am not ashamed to say that you need to calm down and calm down in said yes I am going to buy this because if you point at what the ministers are about on and all that is bad Mr President we need to see a bit of seriousness in cost cutting we need to see a bit of seriousness in you obeying the rule of law another opportunity is coming December 15 well I hope you know I will remind you and I remind Nigerians the supreme court on that day will make a pronouncement on whether or not the canon should be released or not whatever the supreme court says at that point in time Mr Latif forgive me please that's the attorney general please look at I am telling you this fact back in our days in Mubio Bola had equal sacan he can tell you to go to blazes for the cherishes people who tell him the truth we tell him look this thing that you want to do we don't think it's right it's going to have some side effect he can ask you to get out he will talk about it 10, 15 minutes later the way he goes is if you say what you should do if you say this is what you should do let's let's smile use wisdom Mr Bola Tinungu please can you put this down sign it it's implemented like yesterday it will storm out thank you with you now but as soon as it raises around the point you've given him if he knows that you have given him good wisdom will come back to you sometimes apologize or even if it doesn't apologize you may even get a promotion my point is the rule of law we need to lead by example yes we have overblotted 45 or 50 people in there look you must not only deliver and if you cannot deliver you ship out I think Nigeria can still work I think that work has to start with him with the element of discipline discipline and good I think he's listening house worship house cleaning he needs to clean the house and make sure he punishes wherever it is and rewards this you are one of the people that is telling the truth by what you are asking we really appreciate you we thank you for coming to get to our studio I can't but appreciate you thank you when we are back we take on the next segment