 Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. So we are broadcasting. We are recording today is April 22, 2020. This is the emmer's conservation commission meeting. So we have our normal agenda. Obviously things are going to be a little different tonight via zoom and we'll all work our way through that. So initial comments from me. I just hope everybody's surviving as well as they can. So besides that, nothing for me. I, Dave said that he, as Aaron said, he is not going to be here today. He will be here in two weeks though. So with that, Aaron, the floor is yours. Okay. So I just wanted to, I see that we have, I can't see the attendee list right now, but it does appear that we have some attendees from the public. And I just wanted to note that there were two requests for continuation. For tonight's meeting and that is mostly just not to waste people's time. If anybody is on for the Winston court repaving project that is going to be continued. Well, we are requesting, we will be requesting that the conservation commission make a motion to continue that hearing until May 27 that 7pm. So when that hearing opens, we'll, we'll make that request of the board to do that continuation. Also, the 745 hearing, which is for the Shootsbury Road. And then we have the Manrad abbreviated notice of resource area delineation. That one also has a continuation that came in literally at 3.34 o'clock this afternoon and that's due to the fact that there were some, we've been working with a peer reviewer and very closely with a peer reviewer who's been doing an excellent job and some of the revisions that were requested didn't make it on the plan and also I had requested some changes to the plan as well. Working on some additional plan revisions and the request would be of the board to continue that hearing until May 13 at 8pm. So just so everybody's aware of that right off the bat and isn't sitting around waiting for hearings for the whole meeting. And Aaron, do you want to give a brief tutorial for people on how they can participate today as well and how we're going to be dealing with the hearing specifically or would you like me to do that? I mean, the only comment I would make as far as like members of the public who might be in attendance. So my name's Aaron Jock and the wetlands administrator. If you have a question for the board, Brett is facilitating Brett Butler is the chairman he's going to be facilitating the meeting. If you have a question you can click the button to raise your hand. And when you do that Brett can during the public input portion of the hearing can call on you to speak. Other than that, you know, you have to be called on to speak. You can't just speak. Members of the board who are panelists can speak. Just try to, you know, we'll try not to talk over one another so everybody can hear us. And this will be recorded. This is being recorded and so everybody should be aware that any comments that you make to the board or on this proceeding will be recorded and possibly will be broadcast. So just to be aware of that. And also for once we get into the into the hearings for tonight for those people who are here to present during those hearings we will promote you to a panelist at that point so that you'll have free access to speak and present materials as well. But we'll get there at that point. Yes. Yep. Okay, so I think that's about it for logistics Aaron. Okay. We'll have some time before our 730. Yeah, so the first thing I'd like to do to talk to you guys about is. I'm going to jump into a PowerPoint presentation. Can you guys see the PowerPoint. Okay. Last week, early in the week, I was contacted by Jason Skeels of Department of Public Works, who notified me that on Southeast Street and Mechanic Street nearby that intersection. There is a large diameter culvert, which carries an intermittent stream. It is not a perennial stream. Looking at the flow, it's primarily road drainage, but it does have flow so it's considered intermittent under the Wellands Protection Act and under our bylaw. There is a sinkhole that's forming in the roadway right immediately beside the road. So there's deterioration of the culvert from below. It's causing the roadway itself to collapse. And so Jason made me aware of the condition of the road and the public health or safety elements of this last week. I went out to look at it. I informed Jason, you know, we kind of spoke, I was unsure at this point whether or not it was going to be a filing or a request for an emergency certification from DPW at that time. As the week closed out, Jason was trying to track down materials for the replacement prior to proceeding with any administrative process with me. Then Monday was Patriots Day. So we were closed for holiday Tuesday I was not at work and basically Monday morning I got an email had come into my email box from Jason saying DPW is requesting an emergency certification due to public health or safety issue. And they're going to be replacing this culvert within the next two to three days. So I basically found out about this this morning. And as I found out about it I was told that the head walls were already taken off of the culvert. So just to kind of give you guys a general timeline of sort of how this has panned out. I would have liked to have had more warning. I would have liked to have, I have not issued anything on this because I wanted to present it to you guys first to render a decision as to how you want to proceed. But when it's a public health or safety issue, generally speaking, if the DPW engineer renders that it's a public health or safety issue. I would feel negligent not to acknowledge that and proceed as indicated by him. I would have liked to have had a little more lee leeway and also I think that we need to do more in terms of communicating with DPW on monitoring these situations to address them before they happen but that's kind of a side note. So just to put that all out there to everybody. They've requested the emergency certification I think at this point the work is underway if not already done so my recommendation would be just to issue the emergency certification at this point so that they can finish the work and we can outline conditions. This is the plan that was submitted with the application and then the email that was submitted with the application. So I will turn it over to the board to discuss but I just wanted to present this to everybody before. This makes sense I mean this is something that they're going to need to do. I mean, and I'm with you Aaron there's no reason that we would want to interfere with this, especially if there's some safety issues involved. I have no issues with the general approach that they're going for I assume that they're doing appropriate erosion control I assume that they're going to be doing monitoring. Those are just be my sort of general questions. Yes, and I did one of the things that you can see from the photos is that the culvert is perched on the outlet side. And one of the things I had requested was that when they replace the culvert if they replaced the culvert this was in discussions last week that that perched structure be corrected so that it was no longer perched so that the substrate was on either side of the culvert. Anybody else on the commission have any questions about this. No, I think it sounds good to me. Yeah, I think. Aaron you were talking about that you are. You want to discuss the heads up you got from them. Well, you're saying that this came like they started work before you got them even the notice. Well, yes. So Jason sent me so you can see that. Well, I guess you can't see the date the date on this email was Monday morning at eight o'clock. But I didn't get this email until Wednesday and part of that is because I'm part time and the town hall was closed for the holiday and I, I mean, I would have liked to have had more time if he felt like it was an emergency and it needed to be addressed, then he really, if it's a public health or safety issue I don't think. I mean they have the right to render if there's a safety problem and address it so that no one gets hurt. So I have to yield to them on that. In the future I would like to, you know, work with them a little more closely so that we can address these things. So they're not such an emergency nature but that's, that's just an aside I guess I don't want it to impact how you guys respond to this specific situation. Yep, I'm sure they would like to avoid these emergency situations too. Yeah. I think it's an emotion that we approve this with the usual conditions on having it done properly. So do you want more specifics on conditions there Aaron. I mean, that's the general sentiment no doubt though. Yeah, I mean so the in the discussions we had said erosion controls. I think it's the perched perched culvert and also to monitor for success. Is there anything else that folks need feel we need to add for conditions in the motion. Reestablish vegetation post post replacement. So anything else anybody wants. Okay, so we just need a second. Okay, all in favor. Hi. Hi. Okay, all opposed all abstain. Emergency cert is set. Wonderful. Okay. So let me just get to bear with me just a moment. So, I have been monitoring a number of sites. Why is this not showing up the site was it photos. I guess it's not letting me. Look at the photos. That's interesting. So, just to give you guys a couple updates, I've been dealing with a couple complaints and also a couple sites that I observed myself. One of the sites was on Henry street. Well, there was a couple sites on Henry street. One is the, the coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. The coals. I've been in touch with them over the last few weeks. I was really concerned about the condition of the roadway. Cause there was quite a bit of sediment coming off of that hillside. There's three catch two catch basins and one drop inlet, which is a lot of sediment coming off of that hillside. So, they've been doing quite a bit of material and they've also chewed up the road shoulder pretty dramatically on either side of the, um, the driveway. I called the service forester because I couldn't get in town hall at the time to reach to get the forester's contact information. So I called the service forester. He reached out to the forester. I had some back and forth with the forester. They offered to put some straw down. And I was like, I don't know what to do with that. Um, I think that the sentiment was basically, um, They thought maybe I was, I was being a little overkill, perhaps with my response actions, but I, my concern was I wasn't sure where those outlets were flowing to. And I know that there's a lot of wetlands that are around that site, particularly sensitive wetlands. Um, So they did put some straw down and I did go out and walk. Um, and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I went out and I requested from DPW where the, um, structures outlet too. I went out and I looked at the outlet. The outlet was clean. I also walked the wetlands themselves and the wetlands didn't have any indication of sedimentation. So I haven't been able to find any impacts to wetlands. And so I'm not pursuing that any further, but just to let folks know that it. My it's on my radar and I'm paying attention to it. Um, I think that's a good point. The other one on Henley Henry street was, um, Um, Let me think. It's a little further south of the coal site just passed the, um, utility right of way. Um, There's a house that's up on a hill and there, doing a bunch of invasives, clearing out a bunch of invasives back there and cleaning out junk. I think there was like an old junkyard back there. So I saw that there was some work going on. I pulled over to speak with them. I pulled over my car I was driving by and I got out of the car and I spoke with them. They were very nice, very agreeable people and they basically said they had no idea that you know it was it was considered to be a wetland. They just thought it was like a drainage swale and I asked them to seed it and put down straw immediately which they are. They're also planning on putting in like a terraced garden so they're working on that. I'm in email communication with these folks right now to try to just get the site stable. I wasn't super I didn't feel like first of all I looked at the stream there was no sediment in the stream so I don't think that there's been any drastic impact to the stream and I didn't really feel it was necessary to respond with enforcement because they were so responsive and they they hadn't realized that they'd done anything. So I'm in communication with them via email and trying to help them get the resources they need to stabilize everything but it looks much better if you drive now by now you'll see it looks much better. And they're fully aware that if they do additional work they need to at least get into contact with you. Yes. Yeah. What are they doing? They said they're gonna put terraced gardens like when you drive by it looks like he's like clearing it and getting ready like sell like a house lot or something. Yeah no they so the stuff on the hillside they were planning on doing putting in some retaining walls and putting some literally like a vegetable garden kind of along that south facing wall there. But the stuff in the back there you might notice there was like an old greenhouse back there and I think the person who owned the home previously they said they were pulling out TVs and old car batteries and all kinds of stuff from that area up on the hill. I don't know if it was like an old sort of like dumping area or what but they said that primarily what they were doing was just trying to get that material out and also there was a ton of they had a ton of knotweed and a ton of bittersweet growing up on the trees and stuff and so that's what they were trying to they're trying to eradicate a lot of invasives back there and poison ivy as well. That's what they explained to me. So yeah I agree that the hillside is my biggest concern at this point but they do have material down into the form of mulch at this point which I think will slow things down quite a bit. Cool and then in terms of the logging job with coals there sounds like you went through the right avenues to contact people. Another thing is so if you don't think there's any wetland issues or anything like that but there is concern about mud on the road I think maybe I need to talk to the road boss or something. Yeah I did talk to Beth. Oh okay and it sounded like DPW. I mean I've worked for Amherst is the fourth town I've worked for as a conservation support person. Any town I would have worked for previously they would have gotten some kind of warning or enforcement or fine. I was really surprised that there was basically just a no no problem kind of response so I mean but at least I've passed the information along it's I think that's the best I can do. Yeah sounds like you did your due diligence sort of the wetland stuff I mean mud on the road mud on the road. Right. That's like the road boss gets mad about it whatever but sounds like you went through the right avenues to make it figure out. Okay I've had a couple other very minor complaints and I'm following up on them it's a little tricky these days to follow up with people because of the COVID situation so I've been trying to be sensitive of that and and make the rounds. We've also been getting flooded with emails so I'm trying to respond to everybody and address everybody. A lot of the emails have been related to the Shootsbury Road and Rad and you'll see if you look in the the link that I shared that there are quite a few correspondents over the last few weeks with folks who are concerned about that and the delineation so we can you know maybe address that one cross that bridge when we come to it. Let me just double check something on my notes here. Oh I'm not positive whether do you guys probably remember that I think the last meeting we had in the town hall Ron Keith had come forward with a request on Potline Lane. He had wanted to put in a deck that extended into the 50 foot and the commission had said they weren't going to approve it they wanted to kind of see have him come in and explain it. So I did let him know that he may be joining us at some point so we'll want to keep the heads up if we see Ron join the call at some point he may want to present that to the board. From what I understand the plan changed and he pulled back the deck so that it was no longer extending into the 50 foot but I think one he pulled the deck out of the 50 foot but he did have to put in one footing is what I understand so he kind of adjusted it based upon the commission's response but I'll let him address that with you guys if he joins the call. Yeah we have one person online whose name is Ronnie and then an R somebody so I'm not quite sure if either of you are the person who's being spoken about right now if you want to just raise your hand. Okay let me just double check the agenda and make sure there was nothing else okay I can just do a quick since we have a few minutes just a quick update on our monitoring reports just so that we can kind of cover all the other business right now. I've been looking at monitoring reports for all of our sites the monitoring reports from 40 and 70 university drive a couple maybe the first thought we had I had noticed that there was some really nicely stabilized areas that still have that black filter fabric up around them and I was thinking of migrating amphibians and so forth and so I mentioned to the monitor these specific areas that are fully stable I would request that you guys consider taking these sections of erosion controls down for spring migration and they were receptive and they took erosion controls down in several locations they left them up in a few locations where they it had not yet been stabilized but there was several locations where the erosion controls were taken out for that reason the other thing is that we did receive a dewatering plan for aspen chase they have they're the ones that are over by dominoes on route nine and they have a pretty significant water problem on the Hadley side of the development and what they're doing is they are dewatering on the amber side in the uplands they're using they're pumping into a silt a silt sack essentially to filter out the turbidity and what I had requested was that they put a staked put the the dirt the filter fabric or the they're calling it a dirt bag that they put the dirt bag inside of a ring of staked tables and that they put a stone crushed stone on the bottom of it so that it will slow down any water that's coming out of the the bag so yeah that site was always a crazy site to be developing on and it's a very large development for that piece that's so small and it's like two feet to water table anyways I'm not quite sure what it was but it was super shallow yeah so that's not surprising but yeah those pictures look pretty scary I mean that was a small pond yeah yeah I know I know Janice has been really on them about that as far as tracking it though so from the Hadley side so that's good and and Brett just to give you a heads up because I know it's just about 730 in the attendees list Dave Picard will be one of the temporary panelists he'll be presenting for 152 Logtown Road and then Neal's Lacour will be presenting for the UMass site so I can or I think either of us can promote him to panelists I can actually do it right now promote Dave Picard to panelists if you'd like so that when you're ready to open the hearing he can present that sounds good and we do have one question from somebody in okay so why don't we okay so David Berson yeah you should be able to talk at this point hi I just hi David Berson here from Bacon Wilson I just wanted to step in and also just say I'm here as well I'm also here on behalf of Elsie Fetterman on 152 Logtown Road I don't point on speaking tonight I understand that Mr. Picard is very well prepared and was the one who actually submitted this application I just wanted to let you know I am here if you have any additional questions that should be addressed to me relative to the project thank you very much okay that sounds good I'll go ahead and make you a panelist at this point anyways just in case you do want to so so just be aware that as soon as you're a panelist your video comes on and everybody can see you as well and I apologize for the state of my home office it is a functioning beat as you can see so you can turn off your video if that makes you more comfortable I think it's probably better for everybody okay um so I do have 730 so I'm going to officially open this um so this meeting is being held as required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 the general laws of the Commonwealth and act relative the protection of wetlands as most recently amended and the town of Amherst protection bylaw this is a request for determination determination of applicability for 152 Logtown Road so Mr. Pickert the floor is yours if you would like to introduce the project we have seen the materials but be great to have an introduction and if you have stuff to share either you can share it or Erin can share the materials okay thank you for the record I'm Dave Pickert I'm the owner and principal scientist with ecological resource consultants and I am representing Fetterman Family Trust slash LC Fetterman on this filing which is for an existing single family home located at 152 Logtown Road can I share my screen at this point Erin just by hitting share screen yes and you and you can select what you want to share I believe once you get to that point if you want to pull up the plan or photos okay so this is the site can everybody see it yes okay so uh this is uh route nine logtown road extends to the north and this is the first house on the right it actually used to include the land right at the corner that has that pond in the middle of it but the owner requested that the town take that over because she was concerned about the liability of that pond we'll get into that pond a little later as far as uh wetland resources go let's see if I can switch to another one there is a swell that runs along the back of the property up against the edge of the woods uh it's really no defined channel associated with it until you get just off the property into the town of Ampersland to the south and I think if you go further to the north and east it's turns to the east and goes to a pipe that trains from the landfill it's very intermittent we were out this morning Erin and I and even with the rains the day before that were pretty heavy there was no flow in it and like I said it's pretty much a vegetated channel um we GPS the the center line of the swale and edited to this plan show you a couple of pictures of the swale that's what it looks like looking from the backyard towards the swale which is uh about the few feet down from where the leaves are falling on the ground and the shrubs and the herbaceous species are popping up this is what the swell looks like on the property immediately north of 152 logtown road so you can see it does convey it has the physical capacity to convey drainage and it does have a hydraulic gradient um we investigated all the areas upstream and found no weapons I also was told anecdotally that uh someone may have made a filing upstream or upslope of this property and the commission determined that it was not jurisdictional um your bylaws a little unclear about upgrading streams it says it's kind of looked out on a case by case basis and I can speak to that a little bit this is David Berson um so uh a year and a half ago approximately um Elsie who owns the property to the north of 152 um built a um handicap accessible structure adjacent to her current home for the purposes of potentially one day moving into the excessive you know handicap accessible structure um you know having a home care facility in the main house that sort of thing so as part of that process um we had um looked at the at that section of the swale um and I believe um Mickey Marcus sent an email at the time to the conservation commission saying it could not appear to actually be a resource area uh and I believe that they allowed us to continue with our planning board and special you know zba portion of the application upon that that finding so thank you um and then uh what I call the base and this is what it looks like um it appears to hold water most of the year um based on the research I was able to do it it existed in the late 80s I'm not sure if it was formed out of an old gravel pit scar this area was once all a gravel pit and or it was created as a wash pond for the gravel pit or whatever it is encircled by a 10-foot high chain link fence so we couldn't actually get in there and do much it's also almost an impenetrable barrier a brush along the edge of it as well but what we did was for the purpose of seeing how close it was to the work um we uh took the limits off of a high quality aerial so the plan load that up a little bit so here's the edge of the basin in blue and here's the center line of the swale what we added to the plan was the 30 foot offset from these features and the 50 foot offset those are those brown lines the proposed project consists of putting a deck on the back of the existing residents which will be accessed by stairs um from the edge of the driveway the deck will be over the top of an existing concrete block patio the other aspect and the deck will be supported by like pilings um so there'll be limited ground disturbance to to get it in place there's also a concrete walkway proposed along the southwest side of the existing residents the purpose of that is i understand it david you can correct me if i'm wrong is uh they're ultimately going to change this into a two-family dwelling and to do that they have to have at least two points of access to each the one of the dwellings will be on the main floor the other dwelling will be in the basement and the concrete walkway will lead to a doorway that's going to be installed in the side of the basin it's on that side of the house that's proposed because the elevation is much lower there and they won't have to do much digging to get a flat concrete wall to walk to the door as you can see the deck is fully outside of your 50 foot no build zone um the concrete walk will extend slightly into about two feet into the 50 foot offset it's uh that area site is maintained lawn the tree line's a little um inaccurate there the the branches from the trees go almost to the edge of the house but they can put this in by just trimming the back there their arbor v day essentially and they're quite overgrown so they can trim the edges to get enough clearance to do the work they won't have to do anything to the the trunks of the trees and the plan is to put a barrier of stake straw wattles around the limit of work that would be maintained until it's done and uh all areas have been stable us the walkway is in maintained lawn and the slope of the lot in that area is actually towards the swale not towards the basin and uh so we filed this request basically asking one or two things um are these resources regulated under the wetlands protection act and by law if they are can this work proceed without the filing of the notice of intent um i think the swales you know up to you folks if you want to regulate it the basin you know when you get into the late 80s it's very clear unclear whether basins created for stormwater management are regulated or not um so it really doesn't matter to us if you take jurisdiction it's what we're hoping for is a negative determination that the work can go forward and the last thing i would add quickly is that when erin and i looked at it this morning there was a recent large pile of leaves that actually goes into the swale which could block flow if we did have a very strong rain event and we discussed that with the applicant who was there and she is willing to pull that out and not have her landscape company do that in the future and that could certainly be a requirement of a condition of determination as that get pulled out and you know maybe some kind of markings get put in to prevent that from happening in the future and at that i'll leave it there and let you ask me any questions thank you erin do you have some pictures to share from today um i i can share with you what i have um let me see they're actually so the the camera that i used today i didn't have the camera cord because it's at town hall so i wasn't able to um to upload them but um hold on just one moment um i have the pictures from the original application which i think are pretty um indicative of what's going on i've never seen pictures somewhere yeah so um the picture on the left here is the back of the property um showing where the existing patio is and where the deck will be right up against the house um and then if you're standing from the same vantage point it just turns slightly left this is the vantage point of what the swale looks like it's pretty well forested behind the property um the the photo that um that dave shared um excuse me the photo that dave shared is if you basically turn 180 degrees and take a photo behind the neighbor's house it's more of a cleared um i mean there's no there's not as many trees and things in it as there is on the behind this particular house so those are the best photos that i have at this time unfortunately okay thank you erin yep and as was mentioned i think we should probably approach this as a two-step process um and so the first step of the process is just trying to figure out what level of jurisdiction we have and so obviously there's two potential resources there we have the swale uh as you're calling it and then we have the the pond um and as you know very well the why they're there doesn't necessarily matter in some of these regulations and so um so that we'll figure out how germane that is and the other piece is even though that up that piece that was upstream that mickey was dealing with before that even if that was not necessarily jurisdictional one downstream could be because potentially of a larger catchment or something like that i mean useful to know that but just agree yeah so yeah and i mean i think from viewing the site i think it's safe to assume that um it's jurisdictional and they're not asking to confirm the resource area boundaries with this request for determination just whether they can um do the work without a notice of intent um so just to kind of put that out there i think the assumption is that um they are jurisdictional yeah because that's a different set of issues that we have to kind of deal with and then there's also nothing and you're not asking us to confirm boundaries or anything but that'd be another set of issues as well um personally yeah the work itself it's not a big deal it's the jurisdiction that's a slightly bigger deal to me yeah so so if you issued a negative three you're basically saying the works in buffer zone but does not affect the resource area and that would be perfectly acceptable to us okay yep so that's definitely an option um so what's the other commissioners have to say or what are your feelings seems like the negative three determination would make sense in this case because it is showing that jurisdiction but the work is permissible and makes sense yeah and mickey i do see that your hand is raised and so i will get to you and after the commission gets a chance to weigh in so anybody else on the commission any strong feelings one way or another yeah no i think i just have a question um when you guys were doing the the walkway did you consider um pervious material at all i know that you're planning on on concrete yeah um again that's going to be kind of like a has to be a readily accessible access point to the dwelling you know that you know potential emergency services could get into our stuff and that's why i understand they're posing concrete there it'll be easier to keep clear during the winter and things along that line okay thanks but does that actually connect to something it looked like just kind of a small piece of walkway didn't really seem like it was connecting to anything yeah no it's basically just going to provide four foot wide flat surface leading up to a new exterior door that will be put in the basement at that location okay yeah and then with the deck that's being proposed seeing that it's already above a pre-existing slab or something like that at least not all of it but almost all of it i don't really have an issue with it if it was because not above that i'd want a little bit more discussion on it but seeing that it's above impervious anyways i personally i don't have much of a problem with that i concur with what Brett said okay um so i'm gonna so mickey you should be able to speak at this point well mickey you're on mute though i'm gonna unmute you yep so um just to say just to confirm uh what Dave Picard had said uh you know i looked at this a couple of years ago commissioned at the time probably more than three years ago and uh it looked like that swale was just built for surface drainage for all the backyards but there was no upgrading well and then i just wanted to confirm that so thanks hi mickey Brett you're you're muted thank you so are there any more comments from the public on this one no okay so um commission again we have sort of a couple of options here i think that the easiest one probably is a negative three um and so erin does that make sense to you are there any conditions i mean so we do see that there is um erosion control that's going to be there that looked satisfactory to me yeah i would just say you know erosion controls and just making sure that any disturbed areas are revegetated before erosion controls are removed with those would be pretty much my only recommended conditions here as well as a condition that the grass clippings and leaves that are currently being discarded into the um swale are removed and composted outside of the resource area yeah i guess that was the only thing that sort of caught my eye erin so thank you was i mean in general we like to have a 30 foot no touch zone and so if we do consider this a resource area and again that's kind of up for debate we would want them to kind of stay out of there and as you were suggesting potentially putting some sort of markers so um boulders that's kind of the easiest thing to do and then yeah the landscape crews are just kind of keep out of there all together and for whatever values that resource is providing it would be protected this is dave berson here from bigan wilson just just as an update on that i did speak with elsey today um because she had mentioned the and kind of we had discussed the the site visit and she did mention she already contacted the person who maintains her alon to notify him not only to move what was there but also in the future not to leave any clippings there so i mean i think monumentation certainly um this you know makes sense um and we are you know you know proactively at least already aware of the of the issue that sounds great and yeah a lot of these monumentations really for future owners rather than current so that's one reason that we like that and boulders they're just nicer than some of the other alternatives okay so the only other thing i would add is um for the for the vote i would issue a positive under the local bylaw and then a negative and so excuse me positive under the local bylaw checking box five and a negative under the wetlands protection act checking box three with the noted conditions okay okay so at this point we are looking for a motion i'll make that motion to make this determinant negative three determination on what was the address for log fogtown road g2 152 that one um and what we're going to have all with the conditions that we're going to have though like you said you showed the erosion control and don't put the clippings and stuff into the resource area and the monumentation and a positive determination under um amherst bylaws thank you i second that i second that motion okay thank you so we are now voting so all in favor i i so all opposed all abstain so we are good um erin one thing i guess i don't know how we're going to be dealing with our signatures at this point yeah so what i would um i think it's going to be the easiest thing i'm going to be going into town hall on friday printing out i'm going to be draft you know drafting the document and printing it out and i think the best thing for me to do is really just to bring it to you guys for signature and almost do like a interdepartmental mail type situation i'll leave it on your step you guys sign it give it back to me i'll take it to the next person i think we're gonna have to do it that way because um unfortunately just temporarily i think it's gonna not be terribly and if we can issue more than one at a time then it'll save us the trips so all right yeah and is it possible i mean i guess you'd have to talk to town council about the potential for doing e signatures i know at umass we're doing those for our official you know document so it is yeah it's whether the tone will accept it and we use doc you sign or and it works very well hi yeah well i am uh serving as agent for two other towns and we're dealing with these dilemmas what i did for those towns which db hasn't complained about yet it may be precluded by the wording in your bylaw but i modified the determination form and put a line over the signatures that said the following individuals voted on i've had a public hearing on this date and i'm happy to send that to you erin if you'd like it yeah i mean i could run it by town council i'm for just for the sake of having a permit until we get a uh uh determination from town council or from dp i would really recommend that we get a wet signature on it just because you know that's kind of in the process all along but um i will certainly look into it with town council and dp and um if we can get around it in any way then i'll definitely explore that but um assuming that we can't i'll just plan on making the rounds i'm fine with that whatever works for you i mean i've done quite a bit of research on that issue and dp did uh or excuse me the attorney general found that wetland permit permits do not require original signatures interesting i mean i would be more inclined to support that for a determination than i would for an order of conditions it's being recorded at the registry but we can cross that bridge when we come to it and i'll definitely explore it further so seems to be given the circumstances we shouldn't make things more difficult yeah well i also say i can't i deal with wister county and they confirmed it right into me that well in permits do not have to be they can be electronically signed and recorded okay and fair enough to come in from somebody in um in the public so uh lc you should be able to speak at this point well probably should unmute her i am trying to and won't let me she might be muted lc you might be muted on your side because it won't let us unmute you are you talking to me okay so yes and lc you you might have um you might be called in in two places and so you're getting an echo um if you turn the sound off on your device so that it doesn't reverberate then we'll be able to hear you you just have to turn the volume down on your device when you speak i just want there you go oh i just wanted everyone to know that i already called curb to curb lawn care jason edwards to remove any cuttings in the back of the house i did i'm 92 years old and i had not realized there were some cuttings and i called him after nine o'clock this morning after we met the site visit and he will take care of it right away thank you all see yeah thank you very much okay okay so um i think we are all done with that unless dave or dave if you have any hey um bratt looks like there's another hand raised jason edwards oops thank you you see that okay jason you should be able to speak at this point but you are muted and you'll have to unmute yourself on your side we cannot unmute you okay you should yes um so i actually went out today and looked at the site what i i was sort of thinking if i just take the little grass clippings and some leaves and just rake them back up up the bank would that be sufficient yeah and particularly if you can get them out of the 30 foot that would be ideal well my thing is is i i yeah i can get them out of the 30 foot i did see there's like one pile and then this sort of looks like i don't know i i think if we just bring them back up just so they don't erode and like don't really disturb the area much just rake it back up is that yeah jason i'll just if i could just comment on that there was an area that looked like there was some erosion um immediately above where that pile was and you could use those grass clippings kind of as mulch to cover that area that's sort of what i was thinking yeah yeah because there's there's like an exposed grass area there next to the swale just use that as a mulch around that area i would say the best thing to do with it is kind of compost it in an area that's not gonna you know cause damage to the wetland so right and i yeah i sort of see where the sort of little there's like one pile that's sort of right in sort of blocks that could block water yeah so if i just bring it all up we'll we'll make sure that that's all done tomorrow okay excellent thank you very much any questions get in touch with her okay thank you okay so thank you so i am going to demote hopefully that doesn't sound too awful the two davids but thank you very much yeah take care appreciate it you okay so now we are back in yeah i think we're back to where we're supposed to be at this point the next thing on the agenda is our winston court but i believe that this is going to be a continuation is that right erin yes it is um so i was um bucky sparkle put this application together and he actually um made he made the best effort he could to try to get the um the a butter notices sent out but there was all kinds of problems with coffee copy places being closed and not being able to get postage on and stuff like that so he was a day late getting a butter notifications out and he is requesting that the commission issue a continuation um to may 27th at 7 p.m and just as a reminder this is also something that bucky came to us a few months ago i guess um and yes and gave us a heads up on it so correct yep so i think he's doing very nicely on this yes we have a motion for continuation to may 27th i move to continue this to may 27th uh what time erin 7 30 p.m 30 p.m second all in favor i i closed all abstain okay so we are good okay so moving on to the next item that we have on our list i'm gonna start thinking brightly as my sign off i love that i love it too it's amazing so good love that guy i know wait that's no you can't say that we're recording love his positive sentiment thank you okay so i have eight o'clock so we're fine to start our 7 40 which is a notice of intent which was continued from january 22nd um so i thought i saw neils on here somewhere there you are you are now a panelist and i thought you were okay so neils you are on um we'll put mickey on as well because he's also working on this i believe okay and yes thank you erin neils or mickey is there anybody else who should be on as well no i think we're gonna do it uh for tonight because uh basically we're going to be asking for a continuation i believe mickey sent an email earlier today to erin uh noting that we're still in a master ep's um q for getting this reviewed unfortunately it is just one guy in boston and i'm sure his life has been disrupted like everybody else so again i thank you all for continuing to do your job and uh and uh carrying out the town's business so i appreciate that so we're going to ask for a continuation because uh those permits still need and we still have some other permits that we are uh going to be filing probably in the next couple of weeks to the army corps of engineers as well as the meep uh stuff that's going to be required and a um notice of project to the mass historical commission uh one of the things that we are doing at the moment is working with uh joe larson and preserve you mass at at at uh through you mass to make sure we address all of their concerns for the historic landscape that is the campus pond so uh that's part of the reason why it's still taking us a little extra time to file some of those other other permits so we're just trying to make sure we do it all right and we'll we know it's a long process and we'll get there someday but uh so basically i think mickey mentioned probably asking for a two-month uh continuance at this point so um we have a a meeting on june 24th does that seem um that's two months from now does that seem like a logical continuation time i will defer to mickey on that uh yeah no that's so that sounds reasonable erin it yeah uh so uh last week uh defi said we're still on the queue we filed with them in december they haven't even you know opened our application so i it doesn't make sense to waste everybody's time really getting into the nitty gritty of this project until dp boston finishes their review okay so um three background there mickey yeah i love it got the pond perfect amen so um if we could have a motion to continue that you mass dredge project to june 24th at 7 30 p.m. let us have one question before that um do you guys have a general timeline of when you think this might actually happen obviously it's dependent upon getting permits well yeah we are hoping uh for the summer of 2021 that's kind of what we have been targeting we know that once we get the permit it is good for five years so we know we have some um ability to if we don't get everything together by the summer of 2021 but with all of the other work we're doing on the campus core right now with uh redoing a lot of landscaping and things like that it would i mean it's going to be such a huge improvement for the campus pond but it's going to be a very very messy process during the actual dredging and dewatering so that's not going to be pretty smelly so we are planning to try to do it during the summer when there are fewer people on on campus so uh that's and then again who knows what's going to happen to budgets over sure the next bit but that has been our thinking to this point okay summer 2021 yeah so thank you i had some detailed questions but yeah i'll obviously save those until we have um some more time are there any questions though from the commission and again we're just doing a continuation are there any questions from the general public at this point okay so i am not seeing any okay so as erin was saying we are looking for a motion to continue to june 24th and do we have a time erin 7 30 7 30 oh move i'll second thank you all in favor hi thank you all now i believe we're also sticking around for a little another discussion about our orders of conditions for our conference of notes of intent as well so yeah sticking around for that um so if if you guys want to stay on as panelists um just while we continue the next um and there there may be a moment of you know i don't know how we're going to deal with public stuff on the next hearing but um just to put that out there okay we'll sit tight okay okay so uh why do we move on to our 7 45 which is a anrad for um the property on shootsberry road and they asked for a continuation on this uh is there anybody here who would like to speak about that i know that there was material submitted so there may not be i don't i don't think that the um applicant is going to be present for this um item they just submitted something to me in writing and i'll put that up on the screen so that you can see that yeah and if you can also just um i looked at the materials erin but if you could just kind of summarize what's been going on because it does seem like there is a lot of discussion and yes i would be we're just not quite there i would be happy to thank you erin so i spoke with emily stockman who is doing the peer review for this project and she has walked the site she she did one walk through with the gentleman who did the delineation recommended some flagging adjustments um they had some discussions about some other areas where there was disagreements um some adjustments were made they went out a second time to look at it again there were still disagreements some of the adjustments had been made some of the adjustments hadn't been made um they finally came to some sort of consensus but there was remaining questions for me and for the board um with regard to specific areas and so i'll come back to that but basically um where things were left was that trc was going to get us a revised plan prior to this meeting so that we could go out and look at the areas in question and give them some guidance as to how to proceed well the plan came in today and i responded to the applicants representative with some guidance which was after speaking with emily um from what i understood that the issue with regard to the disagreement was that there were wetlands on the site that they did not specifically want to flag and the reason they didn't want to flag them was because they were not going to be areas where work was going to be explored down the road so it was kind of like they wanted to delineate part of the property but not other parts of the property and my response to that was this i recommended if you're going to apply for an anrad to delineate the property delineate the entire property for whatever the resource areas are that you want to confirm or you're going to have to identify on the plan the specific areas where you're not confirming very very conspicuously and also hang flagging in the field that indicates this is the edge of wetland flagging for this anrad so that when we're out in the field checking flags on the ground that there is no confusion with regard to what we're confirming and what we're not and in an anrad or in a um determination of resource area applicability that it would be very clear what was approved and what was not the response i got from the consultant when i so i sent that email the response i got from the consultant was the areas in question they are going to call wet they aren't going to delineate them in the field they're just going to call the entire area wet because they're staying away from those areas and it doesn't really matter to them whether they are delineated or not so calling them wet basically would just save them time and we would just assume they were protected and stay away from them so that was kind of the end result of that but they still have to get that on a plan for us and i still want to walk the site once the final plans come through and i want to give you guys a chance to walk the site before the plans come through so that's the update with regard to the delineation the other thing is i have literally been getting dozens of emails from the public on this project photos from people walking the site and i've been trying to upload those to one drive so that you guys can have the access to those photos emails phone calls so just so that you guys know there is a very active contingent of people who are very interested in this and i know they've been monitoring it and they have expressed interest in following the project so just to kind of keep you abreast of that and i've been referring people and trying to just keep them knowledgeable about the fact that this is just confirming boundaries at this point and that any work that is proposed will require a separate filing so that's kind of been my message to everyone but i've also been just trying to make sure you guys see all of those correspondence that is all great so thank you very much erin and just to reiterate to people from the public who are on here we are doing a third party review and that is the consultant that erin was referring to so this did come before the board before the commission before and we said this is a large complex property we want to make sure we're doing our due diligence and so that's when we requested um this third party so that's coming through now obviously there's a couple more issues we as a commission will go out there again and then we will have this discussion and again as erin was saying this is only for the delineation so before we do a vote is there any questions or comments from the commission was there anything from the public after what erin was just saying i assume that's why most people are on today oh okay so one sec tim okay so okay tim you should be able to talk at this point uh can you hear me yes we can um i just wanted to um confirm with erin that when trc gives you their revised plans with the whole areas marked out as wet will that be up on the website for us to view prior to the meeting yes as soon as i receive that i will upload it to the conservation commission webpage and right now right now just so that everybody is aware for communication purposes on the conservation commission webpage in the right hand column there's a new link which is called current applications and that um i am uploading any documentation that comes in from applicants for hearings so people can have a chance to review them prior to meetings since folks can't come into town hall right now is there a way to be alerted or do we just have to check you know every couple of days so this is what i would recommend i mean if folks want to send me their email address or just shoot me an email and say please let me know when these plans come through i could send a group email with it as an attachment or a group email with a link to the plans online that might be the easiest thing to do but if i had a list of everybody's emails it would make it a lot easier for me because i'm getting emails from so many folks that it's it's hard to kind of keep straight and i don't know who wants to hear about updates and who doesn't so if folks could send me an email just really clearly saying please please email me a link to a plan once it's uploaded to the website i will be glad to do that once it's all set another option would be for one of us to um agree to be the the conduit so you'd have to tell one person and then we could tell each other sure and i'd be happy to tell you tim because i know we you know i have your contact information and if you if you'd like i can notify you and then you can kind of communicate with your neighbors i'd be happy i'd be happy to do that and if anyone doesn't like that then they can tell you and you can put them on the list absolutely great thank you tim okay any other questions or comments tim i know okay and so i do see we have one other person who's listed as bridge water and so uh bridge water you should be able to speak at this point hello um we just lost her oh okay oh sorry about that um okay i'm here can you hear me yes you are back again so yep my apologies no problem at all um my question has to do with whether or not the entire property gets properly delineated um because what is to keep someone well into the project from saying well that was never delineated as wetlands um and then just going ahead and doing what they wish to do yeah so that's a good question and that was what erin was referring to that we need an updated plan and so on the plan it's going to be very well demarcated that past this line that is all off limits for any work unless they come back and we go through and delineate it and so all of those pieces that are not being delineated no work is going to be allowed in those areas okay so does that answer your question did i get that right erin yes so if they mark it as wet it will essentially be protected as if it was wetland regardless of whether it's delineated or not um and also just to to piggyback on that our determination of resource area applicability will be or our um anrad abbreviated notice of resource area delineation will actually um be recorded at the registry of deeds and will be valid for three years so that means that um it's set in stone and they can't just do what they want that plan is um a legal binding document that they have to follow should they come forward with any plan designs okay and if they want to do something after three years then they either have to get an extension or they have to start the whole process over exactly so and an extension would involve involve new public hearings um if they to get it to get it extended would not it would just be a um a written request of the conservation commission to extend it so extending it meaning extending it in its current form not with any changes exactly correct no changes at that point okay um i have another question if i might please to what extent does anyone understand what the process is of a solar installation impacting groundwater all of the people around here have wells nobody is on town water any kind of disruption in that area may be a disruption to the groundwater that impacts our drinking water does anybody understand anything about that has there been any study of it yeah so i appreciate the question um and this is going to be sort of a two-step dance that we go through at this first stage all's we're talking about are where this wetland delineations are truthfully we don't have anything formal in front of us about what they're going to be doing with these lands after and so our current discussion is only going to be focused on that then when they actually come forward with the proposal that's when we're going to be able to um ask those more detailed questions about what are the potential impacts on the on the resources as well okay so it would be recesses such as the groundwater but also the wildlife that is there our specific jurisdiction is related to the wetlands those other ones can definitely come up but you know we need to make sure that we're staying within our within our jurisdictional boundaries as well very important questions i agree but you know we only have so much leeway that you know are we're permitted to but we can definitely ask those questions and that second phase is going to be a completely new hearing and so once they do propose something they will need to go out they will need to do another round of a butter notices and you know all of that will be noted and all of the materials will be submitted at that point and who would do the a butter notices the last time it was done it was done in such a vague way that nobody all only one person took notice and actually went down to the town hall to find out what was going on it was vague um some people thought it was some kind of crank postcard it was not clear it was an official it was a notice of an official event for our neighborhood yeah this comes from the applicant not from us i mean we do have some verbiage that we do suggest but i i haven't seen exactly what they sent last time erin so i don't know if you have any comments on that yeah so the issue was that they um were vague about the i believe the time and place of the public hearing because it's not required that they actually provide the time and place of the public hearing only that they um provide information on where that information can be obtained so that while i don't like the fact that that information was not provided and ordinarily applicants do provide that information they're not required to under state law so um my guidance to neighbors would be pay heed to those notices if they come to you if you have a postcard that comes um that requires you to sign for it just pay attention for those and also um to the other comments that were made with regard to groundwater you know groundwater is one of is is one of the interests of the wellans protection act and so if if you have concerns you know should you receive a future about a notification should we hold a future public hearing on um if the proposal ends up going forward you can always come as a member of the public as you are right now and encourage the commission to do another third party review of the project when it comes forward to determine what potential adverse impacts there might be as a result of the work thank you um i have one other question which is more a technical question having to do with the virtual meeting um if we were sitting at the town hall we could all see one another and we might not know each other's names from sitting in the same room um but is there some method by which all of us are signing in to this meeting and uh will that be part of the public record i mean so this is going to be recorded and the recording will be available but i don't know if on that recording erin if it actually lists all the participants and also for a lot of the participants there's a name there but it's not a whole lot of detail we don't really know nobody's verified on who they are right and the other the other piece of that is that if somebody comes in and they want to sit in a public hearing um during a public meeting they don't necessarily have to disclose who they are or what their name is um i understand that i but for instance sitting here i have no idea how many other people are at this meeting right now um you should be able to hit i can't i'm not sure what you're looking at there's a total of eight panelists and 16 attendees at this point okay so you might be able to hit a participant button and see that but maybe not i'm not sure i don't see any button that says participants and um there there will probably be a link to this um this proceeding so you can watch this after the fact on if you follow a link online and you'll be able to view it and see who was in attendance on the participant and attendee list okay that's that's very helpful thank you okay any more questions or are you good at this point i'm fine okay thank you very much thank you okay so we are looking for a request for continuation at this point um and do we have a date for that erin i thought we did yes um may 13th at 8 p.m looking for a motion and a second i'll make them nope you go it's all you i'll get the second i'll make a motion to continue the uh t r c solar array at w equals property for on may 13th what time again 8 p.m 8 p.m second thank you so all in favor hi hi so all opposed all abstain okay so we are good and again for those in the from the general public who are here there's not going to be another notification for you um we don't know sometimes they these get continued multiple times sometimes we know ahead of time sometimes we don't but you're always free to get in touch with erin who might be able to give you a heads up on that okay um so why don't we move on to our next order of business which um goes back to neils and mickey so this is to discuss uh you mass end of year update yeah hi thanks again um i want to thank the the conservation commission for allowing us to go through this very complex process of a comprehensive notice of intent it is a slightly different way of uh doing business and uh we're doing a lot of things on the campus and in our workflows and uh business processes to make sure that we stay in compliance with what we're trying to do we're trying to to be the better citizen uh i know some some of these things have been ignored in in the past but um we're trying to adopt better business processes to make sure we uh won all the staff know where all the resources areas are and what the order conditions are and what we're supposed to be doing uh and and uh but then also uh but unfortunately uh getting our final report hasn't been one of the things we've uh completed yet but we are doing a couple of things to remedy that situation one of them is uh working on extending an additional contract with uh mickey marcus and swca to help us out with preparing those annual reports and things like that um i think one of the reasons why i had initially asked for some of the delays and and doing this is i had wanted to put our online gis together so that we could show you again how we are trying to do better uh in terms of uh documenting where the resource areas are where what the order conditions are where they are on the map and and what's involved with them and uh since uh the end of last year we have launched a new uh gis initiative for our facility and campus services and so while we had done a lot of work to get that set up in our our current uh web gis viewer uh we decided to put all of that effort on whole because now we're shifting to a different system which actually will be a much uh nicer user interface and be much more accessible to more of the campus community um so we kind of put a lot of that effort on hold i have to say uh i know everybody's lives have been disrupted by the whole uh coven 19 situation but one of those silver linings is actually an it uh project where everybody set up to work remotely already anyway has actually kind of been a blessing in disguise and that uh a lot of our gis team has been less uh distracted by a lot of other things uh to get this job done so that's moving along really well we're hoping to launch the system in mid may and then i know it uh the conservation committee the viewer is not the in the first initial uh implementation piece but i'm uh going to make sure that it's the uh first priority for the second uh tier so um having said all that i guess basically what we're saying is uh we haven't really got a formal report for you and would like to uh ask you for your continued patience and allowing us to uh work on this new uh business process that we have and uh i hope and when we look forward to giving that to you in the future i don't know if mickey wants to add anything to that statement yeah so just uh to refresh what everybody um may or may not know but the uh order of conditions for operation maintenance requires the university to give the commission an annual report so uh half of 2019 hasn't been reported to the commission and basically what we're trying to do is just get the systems in place so all the university departments are part of this new gis system which isn't in place yet so i guess what we're asking is um to combine uh work done in the latter half of 2019 and 2020 to provide the commission with like one report for a year and a half worth of work so we would bring a report back to you uh the following win this coming winter okay end of year yeah and so um yeah i can although we are likely to be reporting on some projects that are going to be moving forward in them so for instance some of the category two projects that we have to provide you notice with those will still still certainly becoming for before you uh and before the report ever comes out okay so thank you and just as a little bit of background for the other commissioners who have been around quite as long as i have um this is actually light years ahead of where we used to be and umass is doing a really nice job of being proactive the idea of this sort of bundle coming before us and yeah trying to do this this is much different than how it's been in the past um and so as niels was saying being a good citizen uh even better citizen uh i think is really showing and i just want to say thank you and i think um i think it's showing thank you um yep and so i appreciate the delays you know obviously it is a little disappointing but i'm sure you're disappointed as well absolutely and so you know we would love to see it and yeah i am okay with the with the delay but what's uh other commissioners or erin what do you guys have to say on this i don't i i don't have a problem with it being um being you know continued to so that the years are combined i think that that would be fine under the circumstances of the kind of large infrastructure management changes that are underway i'm happy to answer any questions that you guys might have in terms of the kinds of things we're doing um we we know a lot of the things that we want to try to do and get done um uh it's just a matter of putting all those pieces in place but happy to answer any questions if you guys have any i know one sort of continuing when niels is obviously umass is a large complex area obviously um and one of the challenges i think in the past has been trying to communicate between different departments and so remember in the past there's people who are mowing in places they shouldn't be mowing in all of that do you know if that communications is going better at this point uh we uh certainly hope so um again that's as a gis guy you know why i want to get that stuff on the map because and allow people to see it so that's why i'm really excited i don't know for the rest of you um i helped put together the gis system for the town of amherst and i'm so proud of the town for stepping up putting the investment in place to allow uh people to use that technology to keep track of what's going on and uh finally it's been wonderful for me to uh finally get the the backing to to really invest in this technology as a um enterprise tool for us to manage how we how we do business so um uh uh we definitely that's a key integral piece to it but we are all uh are also already communicating much better between departments because we have formed a gis group that meets on a weekly basis that talks about all of the different things that physical plan is doing as well as design and construction management as well as us and campus planning so um that communication is already improved dramatically in addition to some of the the initiatives that we're undertaking in our quest to be a much more sustained you know to uh uh what is this saying learn it live it you know teach in terms of being sustainable um we are doing this urban habitat initiative so we're creating a lot more of those no mo low mo zones near resource areas again we want to make sure we get those on the map and that everybody knows where they are um but there's a lot i don't know if you've noticed there are a lot of signs out for that along the wetlands well you guys may not know but on the other side of the stadium and Hadley there's a lot that those areas are are posted to help out with physical plant folks that are on the mowers themselves but uh there's a lot of those kinds of initiatives as well that are going on so it's kind of a neat synergy of different efforts that are combining to I think hopefully uh you know plus we are now also working to conform with the municipal storm waters sewer separation MS4 regulations that we now fall under as well so that's another driver for a lot of this mapping efforts that we're doing because we have we have to do it anyway for for the MS4 requirements but I'm excited because it just makes so much sense to have it in a easily accessible format for staff to be able to see and use for any any project planning purposes that they do so as soon as they start planning a project they can you know go online see where the wetland resource areas are and figure out okay well that's something we're going to have to do with thanks for just to add uh so the different department folks are communicating like is this a project a category one exam can they just go do the maintenance or is something a category two where they need a conservation agent or the commission to act on so so I know that there are projects coming up that we've uh suggested that um the ability to be a written uh comment to Erin to let her know that these projects are coming that are a little more substantial than just a mowing or maintenance okay excellent so any other commissioners or Erin any comments for the group for the UMass folks no okay so um obviously I'm sure we'll see you before the you know the end of year yep so thank you for the update and yeah good luck with the new system look for great thank you all very much take care thank you for having you too bye bye okay so uh we are back in just our session we still have one or still have a couple of people who might be attendees in the public so a couple more people out there we are still officially recording so just let give folks a reminder about that um so Erin is there any other business that you wanted to go over no I mean I would just reiterate that um you know I've got a couple complaints that I'm actively following up on just to speak to people so um I'm not gonna like you know give out addresses at this point I'm just gonna try to initiate conversations with people and see exactly what's going on because I haven't had a chance to look at properties yet but um it's it's been very busy from a email standpoint like I can barely keep up with my email on I think people people are home and people are out in their yards and people are keeping an eye on their neighbors now and I think people are also doing a lot of yard work and stuff like that because they're home so so just to note that but um but yeah I'm trying to just really um keep on top of those things and communicate with people and but other than that I mean most of the all of the pertinent business I've already updated you on and reported to you um and there may come some situations where Brett in particular I'll need to reach out to you if I um need guidance but um I'll be in touch with you if that happens yeah that all sounds good and yeah people nowadays they just have more time to write emails as well so yeah yeah one thing I gotta say is it was really nice the technology today Erin I think worked very well so thank you to you and thank you to the Amherst IT department and there are some benefits to it I think we probably had a few more attendees tonight than we might have otherwise we're like 19 people here yeah absolutely and I have to say I really enjoyed seeing um Anna's dog laying there that's amazing she crawled on top of me but I don't think anyone was looking so that's a recording thanks experiencing issues every time I turn on my video my internet like freezes up is that happening to anyone else it's a big issue because everybody's online so you're doing the right thing by turning off the the video yeah no it's been okay on my side Laura so I assume that's on yours must be those potholes on conquered way yeah right sorry that was a sort of subject so Erin any other topics or are we good for today um I think we are good to adjourn at this point so that means that we are looking for a motion for adjournment so moved second so all in favor aye all opposed all abstained so we are officially closed and recording is