 The budget work is the pieces of the budget that we're going to go over tonight, and then the school pieces, the schools looking to see if we may want to take over the planning of the school again. Okay, wait. So the budgets are this stuff. You guys are going to do it. We're going to do it, yeah. Do you talk about the budget of what it would take to do all that stuff? No, no. I had just budget work there, and then this guy, Bob Gray, calls me after I have the agenda done. And he says, if you ask the select board, they would do this. Jan, this is why I just put slash. So why don't we do this? So it's not school, the school finance committee is number 10. Yeah, okay. School finance committee is number 10. Thank you. Yeah, sorry about that. And then the budget work pieces we'll be going over. I don't know if you want any pieces, but we'll be looking at the revenues and then possible operations. Yeah. We'll tell them the sections. Or I can write them later. So I won't be accepting the agenda as amended. Well, just a quick question. We have a couple of minutes. Yep. I got minutes from Cali today. They're not done. They weren't done. I didn't get them until late. And so I get a chance to finish editing them until today. So you've got a 10, 19 minutes for the joint board, but 10, 12 is coming in the next back. What was the 10, 12? That's what you're the only one thought. Okay. I'll be just the joint board one after the other. Yeah. So it wasn't, it was. I thought it was going on. Yeah. We're just testing to see if you paid attention. Oh, you got it. But that was the deal. You got it. So we will add that. I made a motion. Second. All in favor? All in favor? All in favor. All in favor. All right. Public comment. So if there's anything that's stopped on the agenda for this evening, does anybody have to bring it up? I think it's perfect. I'd like to hear it. First, first on the agenda is the, Andy Bellini as we know, he wanted to step down on the planning commission as of the beginning of last year. And kind of, he kind of stuck around a little bit to get us through this, a town plan. So now he formally has his letter of resignation. So I would just entertain a motion to accept his letter. And we'll say that, you know, it's unfortunate that we're losing somebody that's been around for quite a long time, but also allows others to get on commissions as well. So now we have a lot of used knowledge. I appreciate his letter. Yeah. Tell Cloud tricked him into that. There you go. I was just thinking that. Like, that's a new technique I'm going to try. I was having that laugh. I just need a motion to approve his resignation letter. So. Second. Favorite. Like that. And then with Andrew off now, what are we at number wise? So now it's myself. It's Kyle Cartwright, which you'll add soon. And then it's. Gene crops. What? Gene crops. Yeah. Gene crops. Oh, yeah. And then, um, Wayne County. Wayne County. So back to, well, Wayne County. Yeah. So three. So we're still really deep people for the plan. I'm hoping that next. Your next meeting is the town plan. Um, so hopefully people get some people here. They'll be good time to let people know. Hey, you know, and Kelly has gone through again. Um, for the second time through anybody who had much to say around the Dollar General to say to them, Hey, you weren't interested then. You know, now it's the time to get interested in that. So far nothing. And we did schedule a meeting for a joint board meeting on the DRB and the PC. Because I did ask Rick Benson, if he would basically give up his role as the DRB chair and become a PC chair for a year just to get everybody on board. And he was, we did talk a little bit about seeing if we could. He's going to trick them. Apparently. Well, he's going to trick somebody into being willing to be the chair of the DRB. So we kind of talked a little bit about it, but we have a joint meeting of all of us, both committees on the 17. So we're going to have to try to hack it out to see what we're going to do. Because if not, you were once upon a time had one committee. And then you split to PC, DRB, and you know, you don't have people you may, but we're going to be working together for a while anyways to get through the zoning regulations because we'd always planned on, I plan to be there as the zone administrator, not as a PC member too, but for now, we'll get, you know, we'll get people going. So I'm trying to convince Rick to do it. So he's longed it over some part of it. Trick somebody. I've done that. That's a new thought. I'm going to figure out how to trick people to join. You don't know? I'm not tricking. I'm not. You don't have to think about it. You can join something. You might be bearing the board. I'm on there. I'm not tricking. Yeah. No, Carl was involved a few years ago. He was just grabbed one of our phones at night. I know. Well, I was trying to get Joanne Marshall, Joanne and Doug to join us, you see. You can just make a motion for Doug to join us. I figured Joanne would join. That's why I'm showing you. That's why I'm showing you. That's why he came today. Yeah. No, no, no. So we figured Doug, I figured Joanne would do that. Those cats right around, but so far she's just, I'll have to wait till she's been retired for a little bit. And then she's ready to abort on Scout House. So, let's see. Okay. Next on the agenda, we have two appointments to the equity and inclusion committee. Everybody should have gotten the letters and packet. I did receive an email today from Laura Bress. She couldn't be here tonight, but really wants to serve. I'm sorry. She couldn't make it tonight of the family thing. So she was, but still very much interested in serving. And we wanted to say thanks for appointing her in advance, but she couldn't be here. Nice of her. All we'll need is just a motion to appoint. We have Laura Perez and Tristan Brown. So move. Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. So how many individuals is that? Let's see. So now we have Laura, Tristan, Owen, Jesse, David, Christy Fry. Six. Six, right? Right, six. I'm probably going to be the biggest, the most well-staffed of any committee. So I think you're, I think that's a six, right? I can't think of anything else. So yeah. Good. And I've not received any more requests like in my email or anything. So do you know if, do you think, you think you can get your cap for right now, Owen? And it is? I think so. Okay. I think it feels good to you. All right. I'll email you this week or next. I'm about setting up a date to get started. All right. I'll leave myself enough. I'll get started like an email chain to see, kind of settle on a date that works for everybody. Oh, literally staggered terms? I think, well, we'll sit, yeah. We'll have to talk about it. Yeah. To see what we're going to do. But so I'll have Kelly, because like you and the rec committee, which doesn't have any terms. So I'll have to see, but I'll have Kelly email the committee and circulate the date. And try to figure out which works, what day of the week works best for them. That could be solved. When they have their organizational meeting. Yeah. I mean, you couldn't you, one and two year terms, they wanted to offset it or something. Yeah. I mean, it's an annual appointment. Well asked, but it won't be. You're the one with two tickets. You're just trying to get enough people to be on. I know. That's it. All right. What would you do? Well, agenda item number three. So we have the appointment, individual to the planning commission. So since their husband and wife, she, so Kyle will be the appointment. And she'll be the alternate because she's saying one of them will be able to be the small kids. So they might have to trade on off. So her and I exchanged emails and I said, I don't want to exclude anybody. Would it be, would one of you like to be a regular and one and alternate just in case? And she's like, yeah, let's do that. I'll be the alternate. Thank Kyle. The regular member. And they have three year terms because the PC is termed. Are they all three year terms? They are, I would have to, I'll have Kelly send the letter based on who he's replacing. Not that really matter. Not at this point. It doesn't. Yeah. And at this point you have so many seats to fill. Right. But we'll pick up. So three plus you now. Yeah. So we just need a motion to point Kyle as the, the regular member, acting member and Zoe as the alternate. So move. Second. All in favor? All right. So ideally, I mean, I've seen them nine and it worked really well. I mean, especially when I know, I don't have nine. Thank you. I would love without myself being on there. Five would be great without me. Yeah. What I'm hoping for is maybe some, I would, I would actually like to see one or two members leave the DRV, go to the PC, because they have an understanding of it. And then put new people on the DRV. It's easier to interpret the zoning regulations. I think then the town, you know, during the town plan and the PC is always rewriting the town plan or the zoning regulations. So I'm hoping on a 17, I'll bring cookies and food. Get them to come into that. Number four, we have a motion to approve the liquor license for simple sandwiches. Isn't this a different form than we normally have? Yes, because he's a new application. That's fine. Okay. The next one is will be like more computer kind of stuff. Okay. Well, I didn't know that, that there was a change in ownership with the shop there. I said the trees, I feel, you know, down, you know, the sandwich was there. Oh, that's because, yeah, he's been trying to sell it for a while. So is he selling or just, yeah. He was selling it. Selling the business. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. I think it's longer because it's first. Yeah. And this is just to, just to sell and not serve, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So we just need a motion there to approve that. And then we'll try the farm. Second. Second. All in favor? All right. Make sure you sign in the group section. I'll make that. I just tell them what to do. Oh, okay. Tell them what to do. Remember, it comes on. It does that. You're always going to be that person. No, it's fine. I'll take it over. I'll take it over. You're doing it for us. We used to have to make tobacco licenses with them. Yeah. So if you had one, Doug Hork, Thank you, ma'am. at a very simple time, he would deny the, always, he would always be at, because he was totally against smoking. So he would always say no to the tobacco. Let the liquor license go. We always say no. Always say go, wake up, you know. You know, Sharon, they devised that form to eliminate any tobacco products on faking products, and you might have stuff coming down completely. I wonder how they, they must have done a good work on it? Yeah, they did. We don't want to make Bethel a dry town. Some people don't know. Dry town, they think it was too long ago. Yeah, there is a couple up in the northeast. We got to get back to our five miners. Bethel and his heyday at five bars. Yeah. Where were they? There was a club. The Hotel Emory. Yeah. The Red Clover. Yeah. There was two on Main Street on the other side. Mm-hmm. And there was one down where Audrey Turf is. Oh, yeah. Oh, there. Huh? Oh, there. Mama Bears. How many gas stations? There was, one, two, four. Usually that's, the end of the bars are gas stations. Yeah, it's funny. You're like, quite broken, like with all the gas stations in the bars. That's funny. My uncle used to run the Red Clover. Yes, he did. And I graduated with him from high school. Yeah. He's a funny, small brother, isn't it? You know some old women. Did you know all of the bar names? I believe I got kicked out of all of them in one night, then. I was glad to see the ownership. They're probably glad not to see me again. Oh, that's funny. All right. Next item is to talk about the acceptance of the sale on Sugar Hill, $459 Sugar Hill offer of $56,000 that we received last week. So that's the same folks who bought built-tops. It's that the same three people, Ian Nagler, Michelle Gavrio, and Robert Newton. And so they currently own $840, and so they bid on $459. Yeah, we actually have, obviously, that came up with a better offer than any of us expected to. They were the ones that were here last meeting? Yep. Yep. So we ended up having, you know, some bidders present, but there was two, and there were two in the end that were bidding against each other. Which is where we ended up. So if you, he asked me, he's like, well, do you think there'll be a problem? I said no. I think we just left four to accept the offer. So they'll put out like 10, 60 more amount of notice anyways. And then, and obviously he, they knew they had 60 days from tonight when you accept the offer to get the financing. And then what did we end up fixing for a time to clean up the property? Six months. From the closing? Yeah, that's right. Okay. So we just need a motion to accept that? So moved. And second. Okay. Everybody's moving. Okay. Okay. Second. Home and day kind of thing. Yeah. We don't need to be in the property. The ownership doesn't seem like. There's a lot of things we don't need to be in. Well, we're out of that one. Okay. One of them. What do we got? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's been a while. Yes. Oh, we're not that old. Three years. I think it was really three years. No. Well, he had already been in that. No. Yeah. Because you bought it before I got there. It was a year before we did it before Keith left. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's been a while. Maybe four. Yeah. It was like in the mid. Well, Keith is here for like three years. No, two and a half. Two and a half. It was probably a year in the Keith deal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then next up discussion regards to engineering loan to start talking about San Hill and Crystal Drive and Highland Avenue, Grand Street, Bicentennial. So it's just like what we did before the water project in Main Street is to start the initial process of performing engineering services through Aldrich Elliott. They had given us a quote to start the initial process with some timelines on. Yeah. So they, so we're kind of going to be, in a way, we'll talk about seven to eight as you know, we have the master plan for the water and the state approves, goes through that. Obviously, one of the things for them, you know, we had those things to address. Obviously, the 2.8 million dollar project was a big one. Crystal Drive was there. And they gave you deadlines on this stuff. So this engineering loan is just that. It's just for San Joe, Crystal Drive, Highland Avenue, Grand Street, and just a looking at something on Bicentennial. A lot of they agree because obviously we don't own that line. They do. But I think it's just something to do with the connection. And so we'll start this process. And then if we borrow and a borrow construction money from that, they wrap it all into it just like they have done for the 2.8. So you end up getting this for no interest. I know it's really early on, but is there opportunities for drinking water to fry it? Things like that. We assume so. But it's really going to depend on what the federal government is doing at the time and how much money they have thrown in infrastructure. We're hoping that that's obviously something that they do is if we can start planning then after the presidential election, you know, depending who's president, sometimes some of the things they'll do would try to get the economy going as infrastructure. So if we're in a position to take a hero money or anything like that, like they did, you know, this would be good to have our ruin another way. Now is the goal to do all of these at the same time, or are we looking at these individually? I think we're going to end up doing them at the same time. Because Sand Hill, well, Crystal Drive is going to be a different thing because that may be Wells. So that may be that we certainly are going to do some engineering for that. And then to figure out where we can put the Wells on properties, that sort of thing. And then Highland and Grand and Bison Center, or Highland and Grand and Sand, we probably will do one project. But I don't have the cost yet. And it'll take a year. So we're talking about construction spring of 2022 or 2023 at this point for planning. And because there's a timeline with drinking water money, let me say I think they work for it. So, you know, as much as we'd like to think we've, you know, which we have tackled with a piece with a 2.8 million, it's still, you know, it's got to start from the next phase. And it'll take a while. So what's the state deadline for us? DWSRF. DWSRF is rolling. The loan program is a rolling loan program. But the deadlines we've had originally until December of this year to come up with a plan for Crystal Drive. And I think he gave us a little bit more time on that. So, you know, they're not going to let any graphs grow on our feet. Now that they know that we're, you know, tackling this stuff. Not much. It's a problem for us. So the preliminary engineering report is then going out. And actually, this is what the design of the project is going to look like and the estimated cost. Yeah, they give me a little scope here. So they, yeah. They sort of give us the engineering report. They let us know what that is. And then obviously we need on-go assistance and the environmental information document sources is something certainly for the state. So we're going to get, it's going to consist of project planning, existing facilities, water needs, our alternatives, being here, what they offer you. And in our case, it's going to be no mains and stuff. And then there's pressure issues on the water. Yeah, so during the 2022 or 2022 construction, construction service, a potential on-go in 2020, if you need more, it just is going to depend on what's out there for financing. And that says just water. Is this water as well or no? No, this is just water. I mean, we will end up, I think we'll just end up engineering ourselves. Unless I'm going to get it down here. Opportunity to do it together? Well, you can if you want to. But we're hoping. Like I said earlier. Yeah, definitely. If we're going to have them look over our proposed design. Because here what we end up doing is we just design these systems on-fly with the construction of GFK drone and worked out. But yeah, they know what we're going to be doing. For Sandhill, especially, they know we're going to own into a lot of them. So he said if you want to look at our numbers that we have. So if you see an emotion, I'm specifically asking you to specify it that way in your emotion. It's because I'm also looking for grant money down the road. And for me to find grant money, I'm going to have to say that we adhere to our purchasing policy. So that's why the motion is a little bit more wordy. Because otherwise they could just fall by us for a moment if we can follow our own procurement policy. So we'll need Part A to be a motion to hire a contractor in LA to perform engineering services as outline in our discussion for the Professional Services Clause in Bethel's purchasing policy. And then Part B's motion to authorize the town manager to sign professional services agreement. And DWRSF loan documents. The movies. Alright, so we're going to do A first. It's a little bit in the palm. And I was going to tell you that the Professional Services Clause in your purchasing policy just allows you to hire them. It allows you to hire someone that went through the whole big process. It doesn't make sense to put up someone else who doesn't already know your system. Alright, so you've got only in the palm on A. All in favor of A. Aye. And then... I'm sorry, who's the second? Paul. Thank you. And then the motion on the B. It's over. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. When did they tap that information in file? So does that look like it's there? Whatever. Step two of this process. I know they talked about a construction of 223. He has big... He's told... He has to have... They changed the time, so they have to have a design file to buy. I think it's going to be December of 2021 that he has to have that. The formal? And you have to do more now before you set it up. You're not going to have to have the whole report completed by that time. So I believe it will be in December of next year. It gives him a year to... So... But they'll be back just before then. Oh, I'm sure. I would think so. So you're saying by December of 2021... They will have... We would be going to like... Well, they're saying right here... You look at them, they're saying they could have your current unfund over 2021, March. So they would have to have... That's what he wrote here on the introduction. So we would have to have a December 2020, I mean, I'm saying between... Yeah, it would be December 2021 that he would be have his whole report and everything done. But obviously we're going to talk to him again before that. That's just the final product, and then we'll vote here. If you needed to vote, it depends on what's available. I just wanted to thought that it would work out that soon. Yeah. This is 90% complete by... Well... They say 115, 2020, but I'm assuming they mean 2021. That's what I think too. Okay. I think that's a misprint in there. Okay. Good assumption. Since they're already late, you know, by a lot. Any further discussion on engineering piece about for the next phase? Mm-hmm. All right, we have a discussion of grant application where it's to work with those who stand on the hill. So this is just the grant application. I was talking with Theresa. I believe right now to do... That just includes the storm water. Yup. Then? They include the water to the half of it. So it's just the storm water. Oh, because it did, it did. Because Tim was doing water. You were doing pavement and you were doing storm water. Yes, that was a whole... So upgrading storm water, water, and redoing that road back down the gravel and, you know, ditching and things like that was... And you paid. It's estimated about half a million to do that road. This grant application for VTRAM is for 300,000. So based on the 3,000... or awarded to 3,000, then we would have 20% of 3,000. So it would be 75,000 that we had to come up with there. But, you know, right now we have to budget 200,000 on our end of that project. And right now we were kind of anticipating doing this work in the 22,23 budget cycles. So not this one that we're working on, but the next one. So that means that we're going to have to budget 200,000 between now and then. So we have two budget cycles to budget 200,000. How does that interplay with the water main work? Is it an add-on to the water main or is it totally separate? As far as the work or the water. Yeah, well the work. The work will be at the same time. So that's why I'm writing... I want to write this grant because if we could get this, this will do the removal installation and the engineering and the roadways. So we do all that for the storm water that obviously helps us on the water side. And if we got this and we would put it towards Sand Hill. So that's why we're kind of... I'm just trying to attack from all angles because we don't... If we got this, great. If we don't, at least we applied and we still have the option of financing through the state. So if we didn't get this, that amount would definitely have rolled into the bond vote. That was my main thing. If we need to bond vote because right now, if you look at the capital plan that we did on roads, and we leave next year, we just do galeade where we leave the apron or we do part of the apron but then take that back to dirt, that was 45,000. So we have 115 from this year, 115 from next year. We haven't had money in that capital fund budgeted to do that work. On Sand Hill with... I had a little note on the side that we're going to try to get a payment grant. Yeah, I didn't think I'd put 175 in revenue up there. So we'll have to look and see... The only challenge we have with the state... The state has decided... So they didn't do any of the grants this year because of budgeting. And next year they cut the grant program in half. So the likelihood is that probably if we do qualify, it wouldn't be until the... Not this season, but next season, that they're going to get a grant of that size. The only good... What they did do is they gave us an additional state highway of 38,000... That we end up getting another... Oh, right. 38,908.92 in the state highway 80. So my note down here for later was for us to move that also into the capital fund. So we don't need it. We should put in the budget we have because we didn't budget for it. So let's put it right in. And then that already cuts now. A map we may have to come up with. So maybe we have to borrow them, but maybe it won't be as much. And then again, if you get this or there's some infrastructure money from the federal government, then you may have more opportunities if they keep using this galvanize. We just don't know. So I'm going to try to... We figure we have a data reservoir. We know we can apply for there. We'll see what comes out for the fed. We'll apply for the state. We're just going to apply for everything. See how much we can get to offset. Exactly. Because we have sand mill and we also have the lower piece of Christian Hill and then the lower piece of the Bethel Mountain. And we'd start those out for paving. For paving. Right. Yeah. So we did... I had talked to Chris Bonfoot a while about Canteraw and just, you know, I'm like, this is a federal highway. Is there something else out there that we could, you know, for money? But that's going to depend. So yeah. And then we had a structures grant on offer because I applied for a structures grant for the bridge on Woodland. And but I asked... I did write to Chris Bonfoot today and said, hey, it says in this email that anybody in the queue to receive money will still be in the queue when you're getting money back. But I'm like, look, we don't know if we were awarded the money. Well, you know, can you find out where we stand on the stuff? Well, the good thing is if we can have things engineered to break Hill on the shelf, then we're more at the receipt money. Plus, we've been working well with the state. Yeah. You know, so... Yeah. And that's a lot. You don't actually need a motion for us on that. You have the authority to apply for grants and stuff, right? This is, yes, but you part of your grant... your grant not worth of policy was that basically that you guys know what people are applying for. No, I don't think I can give you that. Okay, then that's fine. Just so you know before. Right. Okay. I think we just have to know about it. Okay. Because that was the point where... I can't remember... it was one identity, was it... Was it the better connections that two people with two different... Yeah. Yeah, there was something where we didn't know what was going on and all of a sudden we had... Yeah, because I... That's fine. Because I have a different grant policy with right this year because I said the stuff we need to know right in the stuff we need to know. Know what to know. Yeah. So no motion. No. That's fine. I'll name that one the town manager. Okay. Make it easy. Okay. All right. Any further discussion around? And we have the Bethel Rolton Transfer Station Budget. I would like to thank Teresa for all the work she's put into this formulating this budget. Oh, you are welcome. I figure it helps protect Bethel's interests because they owe us money. But I'm also happy to help. Sorry. All of it it didn't make sense. Thank you. Her help. So this budget went to the BR... BRTS? Yeah, the BRTS... And we approved it. And then first on of me, you have the other piece of paper on your desk. So I wanted to see if it was... how the Gen 9 came up with the revenues. Because Chris was asking me about the 900,000. I told him that that was not what Gen 9 came up with. So we asked me for that. I mean, I guess my concern is, you know, we have a really nice spreadsheet here of every line item cost. But then all of a sudden, you know, the cost ends up being, you know, 1.1 million and then they just have a revenue like 1.1 million. I mean, it's so easy. I mean, that's the issue right now is that because they came up with the thoughts and said, okay, we're going to have our revenues equal that. And then every year it's like, you know, you're 100,000 dollars on your revenue. So... That was how the previous budgets were formulated. You look at the expenses and then make your revenue match it. Isn't that how it works? That's a good budget. On paper. So the piece of paper that you have, it says kitchen bag rebound. So I tell you, this is how Gen 9 had come up with our number to figure out what, you know, we actually went back and looked at historically what she was bringing in and we tried not to focus too much on the year, last year's number because of COVID, because it was so inflated, you know, multiple days of doing $9,000 separate, $9,000, it was not normal for that facility. During the week, you know, she could have a $1,500 day. She didn't see any of that during COVID. So we, Gen 9 strongly urged them to kind of almost ignore some of the revenue for last, you know, for the budget ending June 30 because of COVID. So we went back and looked historically at, you know, what she had been bringing in, not her jet because of Gen's kind of energy since COVID. And so we had come up with a proposed, with a budget of $836, $396. And then there was a couple of members from Royalton that felt we were actually being too fiscally conservative. And we, you know, we were just like, look, what, you know, we wanted to err on the side of caution. That's what Gen 9 felt. And she didn't want to be put in the position where they were saying, you know, you're going to make all this money and she just didn't believe she was going to make it because everybody and their mother cleaned out their basement, added garage. They're not going to do it again if we get the warranty again. So I don't understand her hesitation. And then two of the members from Royalton said, we're being too fiscally conservative. So they wanted to put last year's number in the mix. So then they looked at a couple of years and they decided to come to high 800s. And then the other guy just said, why don't we just call it 900? Gen was like, why don't we just call it met? But, you know, the only offset in charge Gen has is obviously the tipping fees will be less. So if the revenue is a little less, you're going to see those come down a little bit to her expense for, um... Well, that's the theory of the event. Tipping and calling, yes. But that hasn't always happened. Right, but that's, you know, that's what kind of what we talk about. And then obviously we've done all the recycling numbers and stuff. But this is what they came to. So Mo, as the board talked about kind of having their own little capital fund there where you put us aside so much a year so that when you have these projects it doesn't, you know, we won't get that. Okay, we need to buy something that's $10,000. Well, I've been trying for that for five years and it hasn't worked yet. And this is such a tight budget that if we have a surplus, it'll go into, you know, an account. Well, the other thing I was thinking of is I know that from talking to Trees that the idea was, well, one, to pay back back all the power money. So that was why the budget was sort of tight. But even if you establish the fund and put, let's say, $8 in it, we should have fun with it, right? That ending can move money, too. And it does say that. At the end of this day, it's about one more put in reserve because they do have a little more in reserve to close the transfer station, but their last estimate for that was $20,000. So she wants to make sure that's correct. And then what I'm saying, and I'll tell you exactly what the authors are going to say, why would you put money in a closure fund if you're in a deficit position? They're going to tell you, no. No, no, no closure fund. Well, because right here, you already have a closure reserve account. But that's just for the landfill. That's not for the transfer stations, not for the landfill. No, what I'm talking about is capital expenses. So if all is done, I don't know. That's what they talk about. We need to replace the scales. That's what they talk about. But the only way we're going to do that is if we've got to increase our revenues to make room to budget for that. And they did say that. Short-term, right. But long-term, you know. So where it says to put in the reserve, they meant start a new reserve for capital, put men or capital in something. But it's just going to depend how it turns out. This budget does include some increases. Yes, it does. They increased the scale fee to 160. And they also, there's some miscellaneous things like couches and some things like that went up. They increased the alliance fees 10%. And Bethel and Royalton used to get a deal. Bethel and Royalton paid less per capita. They took that away this time. So that everybody pays the $12.19 per person. $12.19 per person. And so there was a 10% increase for all towns. Bethel and Royalton are a little bit more because for some reason we got a lower rate last time. In the past probably because we were the co-owners. So that's increased in here. The other thing they started charging or they're going to start as January 1st is $2 a gallon for compost. That's exactly what Randolph is charging. And $3 of flat fee for recycling. So if you come in with one bag or three bags of three bucks every time you bring recycling, it's $3. So how do they do that with tickets? So when somebody's standing there, they know more or it's $1? The honor system is what Jen is saying. That covers cardboard, flash, everything. Does the minimum still stay at $20 a go to the scales or does it change to $20? Okay. So, and we took that. You can see with the math here. We were saying 277 people a week at $3 to come up with $43,000. We think that number's higher because there's a lot of Saturdays. We see more than 277 people. But because it's new, we didn't want to overstate it. So that's how... But you think they're seeing less people. And we might hold on to recycle one more week. And they might. So that's why we tried to be reasonably reasonable about it. We basically had two options. To do with a flat fee or charge people per volume. And to me, that's... The flat fee was a better. Try to figure out volume. Right. I mean, you'd have to go by it. Right. And there's a lot of people that probably won't pay anyways. So that's how those revenues were determined. And with the expenses kind of to keep it resolved unless you have a... And then I think... When we were at the special meeting, it was talks about that the Closure Fund had, I don't know, like $50,000, you know, you only need $20,000 or $30,000. Is that extra amount accounted for in this budget? You know, they were having a conversation about that. Jen is going to be out for a little while. But when Jen comes back, she was going to double check to make sure that the closure cost of the transfer station is still the $20,000. And then the BRTS Board could move that $30,000 into another fund. Or they could pay down the metal. Or, you know... And then, you know, there was some talk about it, but there was talk at the other meeting about a line of credit. And then they moved straight out. But I wasn't sure who was doing what to whom about that. So we didn't do anything with it. And BRTS... So what we had done is, I put enough money in here as a placeholder so that BRTS could pay better. Like, half a percent interest at the end of the month on what's been due to you from that they couldn't pay. And then budgeted in a payment of, I don't know, $15,000. And then if there's more, maybe they could pay. And they didn't like that idea so much. Well, let's head back. But, well, a couple of them did because they were like, well, half a percent is better. I said, look, it's a placeholder. You owe us 80 grand if you get a pay sometimes. But I also felt if they're meeting with Cassell on Tuesday, why put... I don't want to figure out which way you're going first before you try to tap all the line of credit. And then, if you're going to talk with Cassell, that may become unnecessary. So at least we have a placeholder in there who will get some money and figure it out. So, maybe you got that. Tomorrow? Tomorrow, yeah. You and the representative from... David. So, anyway, so that's how the... What's the problem with this? This paper that Trish handed out has got all of our revenues and expenses. The food waste is not included in this. And that's about between 800 and 1,000 a month that we're losing there. So that's, you know, roughly $12,000 a year. We're losing on food scraps. Yeah, because there was combos in here in 6600 for the revenue for that recycling piece. And we had just started. Because that one was in July. So, I mean, that's most right. But she's paying anywhere from 800 to 1,000 a month for disposal of it. Yeah, by the... Yeah. Yeah, and who knows, right? I mean, you know, we don't know what the crystal ball is going to look like. As far as what are people going to do, are they going to... Now that they have to pay $2 a gallon, are they going to do their own composting or... But, like, Momay, at this point, I think at that meeting, was like, so what? If they hang out to compost, it's less of an expense. If you're not losing money with this, I think it was the point Mom was trying to make, I don't remember anything. And I'm hoping that enough of these facilities are going to complain to legislature that they mandated this with no... And there might be some grants available down the road for this, maybe. To help cover costs. Maybe. How many tons of trash do you have every year now? Well, you have to look here. Right. Tons of rice. 4,000. Because you have 4,023... I have 4,023 ton at the 170. So you're doing just over... you're doing 4,500 ton, I guess, right here. Yeah. Every day, they ship a tractor trailer out of there. And the gross weight is like 92 to 98 thousand pounds. So you'd have to deduct the weight of the truck and the trailer out and see how much... Every day? Every day we're open, yeah. So that's like 25 tons. Well... Yeah, that's a 25... Because your net load is probably like 50,000 pounds. Something like that. I mean... But when they leave there, scale weight is anywhere from 92 to 98,000 because they can't be over 100,000 on the road. So it's... Anyway, so we had... This was what they had to kind of originally came up with at the beginning, but... And they think... There was a lot of expenses that they didn't question, that they didn't question, but... You know, we didn't go back historically, they had genuine gains and stuff, and she combined some things that made sense to her, like the way houses waste works and what they're going to pay for there. So we went to scratch just like we did when we started with Bethel's budget, you know, a few years ago. Because she also started coding things herself, and she might have been doing it differently than Chad. So... But anyway, so this was what they... I'm not sure I did a percentage of what the increase was. So she had cut money out, so you're still... It was still 2.7% less than last year. So it was a reduced budget. I didn't hear it as excavated, but it paid off in this budget. Right. And she's been doing a lot of equipment maintenance, and you can see that she put, you know, money into that, so... And actually she's cut about $54,000 out of this current budget already. She has, yeah. And I know one of their complaints was the overtime, but she's cut their overtime down significantly. I mean, Wayne's maybe doing 14 or so hours, but... Basically, yeah. She's looked at her time. She's been working in insane amount of hours. So... Which the Lord's going to find out without Jen being in there for four weeks, and I'm going to see what it amounts to to cover what Jen is doing to meet specifications for the state ones. So what is this? I've actually seen you guys having budget in your packet, but I don't remember you guys ever taking any action in the past. Did you normally give it your blessing? Or... That's the same thing. So does the Intermoto really just says what? That the BRTS board will pass it on to the slack word for their... Right. The two, just Rolton and Bethel for their approval. And I'm wondering if Rolton doesn't approve it and we did. I mean, hypothetical. I'm not telling anybody. But what happens then? Does it throw it back to the board? They're probably going to go back to the BRTS board, but you would think... The other two months of that... They do think they should pass it tomorrow night because they got what they wanted. Bethel, in my opinion, we gave a lot of concessions that... I was... Yes, we gave concessions. Yes, I mean, they better pass it. And like I said, if it wasn't for Trees, it would have been a... we'd still be at it. It was the... The bodies in the room? It was contentious. It was. It was tough. I mean, so... It's a good thing it wasn't recorded. Well, it was. I got it. It's all down to the... No. But anyway, so you guys... Apparently you need to take action. You need to accept it or approve it or whatever it is. I'm going to abstain from the vote on it. Well, I mean, it's kind of an odd thing because, you know, states and the intro local agreement have you know, the day-to-day activities at the facility including budgeting is done by the manager and the joint board. You know. However, you know, then another private says that every year's budget will be approved by the joint board and then the joint board. So it's kind of... I mean, I think we've always kind of done it as more of a pencil whipping, you know, more of a informational like, okay, here's the budget and we'll move it along. Because it doesn't affect the... So maybe you don't approve it, maybe you just make a motion to accept it. Yeah, more accept it than approve it. Yeah, maybe you just do it and we'll change the word. Does anybody have any questions when I look through it, I can think of one of the things. I think what I did, I made a mistake in what I heard but did you say something about we're going to start paying for recycling Yes. and compost? Yes. I thought when you started that, I thought it was something that was kind of free to Vermont since everybody would have to recycle and compost. No, when they passed that that act, I said 148 143. 143, thank you. It basically said that so say you had someone pick up your trash to sell or anybody else pick up your trash they couldn't charge you separately for recycling and they had to build it into the price so your bag and price ended up going from three to five to six bucks because they were mandated by the state that they had to pick up recycling and so they could build it into your bag and price but the funny thing is while they mandated transfer stations they did take food scraps they did mandate haulers so it was another one of those sort of unfunded mandates because now all of a sudden they're coming to the transfer station they don't have to pick up a deal that people like oh that's fine I'll do it for free and you do have some residents who pay to have their trash picked up but they brought their recycling to the transfer station because it was free but it's not free recycling costs they're losing about 70,000 a year on recycling because the markets you know the whole country's one were taken for recycling and now they're not so yeah so they're going to have to do a flat fee of three bucks for your recycling no matter how much you bring and two bucks a gallon effective January one of this year this is through Bethel and Wall Street's state that the state is requiring us to be you know Bethel and Wall Street the transfers they didn't lose money for a while so they realized that they had to start doing something more with their recycling so they if you go to a lot of facilities you're paying or if you have to pick up your trash you're paying you may not know you're paying because they just completed your bad price but you're paying to get ready to recycle well I was talking to a manager down in Rutland I'd like to pay for some of my members to the dump and pay for it and he told me that they don't pay for it and he said there's a few other places to say that they want to eat it we pay for it and then the hauler comes in and they don't need the hauler pay for that which also helps subsidize the losers the ones that like the zero sort alone cost almost $2,000 a year costs $50,000 so if you're making a little more money on your site or say the metal I mean making money on metal plus we're getting paid to deal with it because we also have to handle it then it helps offset that loss of the zero sort of 50 grand a year so actually Doug the only time you really pay for metal is if you've got more than a cubic yard which is still I mean a lot of people come in with arm bowls and just throw it for nothing I mean I had to even buy this if I had to even talk to them before too to get rid of the ground houses I was kind of surprised that they would pay for that and it was the most I wouldn't weigh it that they all would get paid to do but I was kind of curious about it and that's why until just recently we were a break even our pain to get rid of our scrap iron but now the price has come up a little bit so we're getting a little bit for it and recycling over a year each year it used to be you were pretty much breaking even it used to be cost in, revenue in balance it off over 5 to 10 years now the recycling isn't as valuable to what we were buying anymore actually I was reading I was doing some research then supposedly there were some countries like China and some other ones that actually were buying and recycling from the United States and they stopped doing that for the last couple of years now recycling in their own countries that they don't need anymore so what's happened is now we have a lot on the market we have all this recycling there that's not worth anything one of the reasons China quit taking it because it was 80% contaminated and they had so much they had to dispose of out of what they were buying that it wasn't worth it and what we probably should have done probably over the last X amount of years we probably should have started to collect something at a small level as the demand or the prices went down we probably should have been collecting something we haven't for so long but at the same time it really hasn't been looked after as closely as it should and now all of a sudden whoa wait a minute there's some items that we're losing big time now the transfer of state should owe the town a couple of money so we're like hey people with some money you know some kind of those things so they're just trying to balance it out plus we've also there's cases of people that come in from outside the area so they may live in an area where that charge for recycling right now and they come into ours don't recycling that for free so that you and I that go here we're kind of paying for their stuff so the idea is that they want to come from outside the area to drop their recycling then at least they're going to have to pay something for it which might deter them which down the road might make it cheaper for you and I you know because one way they may cause the thing where they don't want to do they pay quite for the trash and they pay for the recycling well we didn't that was one of the things that Jen had kicked around kind of looked at initially her idea was which I actually was in agreement with you paid the same whether it's 3 bucks a bag whether it's trash or recycling and if it's a 30 gallon bag then it's 5 bucks if it's a contractor bag it's 8 bucks because I'm a big believer you generate it you pay to get rid of it that's going to be the easiest way so we did actually talk about that idea so that was one of the things we talked about originally was you generate and you pay for it and then everything is the same price that nobody could complain about well I had this recycling or start throwing it together it wouldn't matter if they moved together and I think Moe touched based on it but they also have gotten very picky on the recycling so the people that like Cassella the people that purchased some of the product now like even like if the Cardboards have some leftover pizza on them it goes in the trash not the recycling so it's got to be the can has to be washed so they're really picky on what they collect now because what they'll do is they'll just take that and it'll end up being a trash thing and then they'll say okay well we're not going to pay you for this stuff we're just going to pay you this stuff in another year you might just see that the only plastics going to be recyclable was number one and number two and now we're taking up two to five that's going to be the people that do the zero so they're going to cut down all we want is number one and number two plastic and that's it well something else I saw too was the Cassella Boyle Ables roots discontinued cellulose especially like Lepus was born so that whole area was eliminated so where were they going? well we heard it was they only bought certain roots that's what Cassella told Jen just the stuff on the main road basically yeah just the stuff on the main road they're drugs they don't want to whoever now the other people are going to either have to hire someone else good winds or someone else or bring it down themselves it depends who else serves out there good winds or somebody else on this one yeah so yeah that's what we heard we just heard that they'd bought certain roots but and we haven't seen been able to call how much more we're generating because of that yet because it's just took effect I mean so how does that as a customer when we go to the transfer station when this goes into effect how does that so if I come in and I have you know like I'll have say four bags of trash then I'll have cardboard well you'll go across the sky metal and glass and then I don't know how do they know how much I have Jen and I have been talking about that and we're thinking of how people come in one way close one of the big doors everybody's got to come in and pay before they dispose of I'm just thinking it's going to probably be a lot more for somebody to do there to get a track you know then there's going to be cycling where we've got some you've got to come through and you've got to pay before you dispose of anything and you might have three or four different things I thought you were doing that already I thought you were doing that already I thought you had to I thought you had to pay before you do it some people do some people don't because right now what I do is I'll have like two bins of cycling stuff so I'll usually what I do is I'll go over the scale and I'll take my bags because it's cheaper to go over the scale with multiple bags than those big bird bags so I'll go on the scale throw my bags in the trash and when I come back over the scale to 4K then I bring my recycling into the doors but now you're going to have to somebody's going to have to keep track of that exactly more than they talk about you know it seems like it's going to be it almost sounds like they almost if everybody was honest the honest system would work better for you but not everybody's honest you're right I think you just walked up and said I had three gallons of compost all those two bags of recycling through your trash and you'd go to different lengths and they'd leave it at a beat just like this I was looking today at all the bigger facilities have like these punch carrots so if you buy X amount of punches that goes for like you would say trash to your recycling and you know it's easy for somebody to do but then bigger facilities have got 15 people working in them oh yeah and then we don't have the money in the budget for people we don't have the money yeah all right actually there is a proud time person in that budget yeah so we have a motion to a motion to accept the this would be the 21-22 budget for the Buffalo Roads and Solid Waste facility so move second all in favor this would be a grand deal where we make it money at all because it sounds like there would seem like there was a $8 or something like that but when I thought there was a grand deal it was like it was like they make their own money they work their own equipment they run their own servers and they make that money they make it they always work they always have their own money to spend and both Royalton and Bethel they bought a piece of equipment they couldn't run at home both Royalton and Bethel they had to sign the but now you see they didn't make any money I don't know how long I don't know how long I can tell you that several years they've always owned Bethel money at the end except for one year out of maybe five and sometimes it's just the way the cash flow is for them so I couldn't say when you ran a landfill if you made money at the landfill that was pre-90 and Bethel and Royalton each had their own separate landfill and they joined down there to Royalton but a majority of the money that's owed to the town was acquired that way in this past year and a good example of something that has been missed in the budget was the recycling that was a big piece the recycling was a negative 80,000 90,000 item but we made money at it we do the bookkeeping we do the AR and AP so we pay out the bills and we pay the workers so what happens is sometimes just the way the revenue comes in or the cost goes out sometimes they don't have technically enough money to rate the check and they're tracking accounts it comes out of our account until they can pay it it's the same as the water and sewer department that's the cash flow same for the town that's why the town gets a tax anticipation note because you have a fluctuation of 4 times a year when you collect and collect it's other times then you took in this is not a question I need that I need Donny it'll come back maybe next week sometime that's right alright so we're good with that the next step we had to go with the which one do we have first Lisa the budget the budget so we have new budget seasons we start off with usually that comes first as we talk about revenues which the revenues is the easiest most consistent piece of the budget from your year and then tonight we're also going to be talking about funding and parts and public places and this is called office and town hall and government operations so this won't be like tonight's not the night double two everything's in stone for the budget this is one of many times that we start looking at each component in our budget and usually what will happen is we start putting together estimated budget numbers basically hearing from the department head what has happened in the past and then once we get into some of these sometimes you know the fire department will come and you know they can either constable or maybe some of those will hire the department so I haven't done the highway I started the highway budget but you have to get that and then sit down and see what's up there so we can do that but I started it and then the fire department and listers and rec and so I told you three this week or so listers and then they'll look at it see if they have any changes fire department will shoot off Dave and Gary and then they just sit down with them if they have specific questions or tweak their numbers and then the bigger one is obviously highway because it's the most money and so we'll look at that easier ones to go through so first we'll just look at the revenue pieces which this is just the local revenues so that would be anything that would be taken in through the town clerk the fees or some of the state state and federal highway monies that we collect so under local I had the court fees I talked to Pam a little bit and it's been kind of funny because COVID they were really slow and then they were getting hammered now all the lawyers and stuff were really busy and there was a big boom in the real estate so it's hard we decided to leave that one alone the one that dropped the most here is town hall revenues because we obviously have not been renting out the town hall we might rent this a lady who wants to do morning yoga and she's agreed that she would clean it and just use one bathroom for her five or eight people and she could do that in this space so we're looking at her but it seems I just don't see us really renting out right now anything that was at the town hall the town office we picked here for meetings and BRTS is meeting here because they didn't have you're too small at the Royalton's town office for a long time so that's the big reduction there I don't know everything else oh the tower these went up because they had another carrier so that was nice I guess one thing I had a question on is the recreation fees being well I guess if everything's good I'm gonna be back on on track obviously we're probably not going to collect anything unless unless you know if we open back up you do start selling pool passes in like May and June so we could we just don't know maybe just don't think about the work we'd be off there which we won't but we also have savings in that budget so there was that so that was the tower release what is under miscellaneous local revenue there's the item other insurance reimbursement it's usually the insurance company it's usually insurance claims it's something something really don't really don't know no so nothing huge really there was oh I know that's on the last page was and the tower release is that accurate I know we budgeted a few times for it but it's never no that's right I talked to the guy and it is because they added Verizon so they ordered so now that's what they are monthly carrier prices and did I miss it did I miss the money that we get from Green Lantern it's miscellaneous under the other sign it's 1500 and then oh here it is new enrollee so I talked to Judy and Louise about land use under property taxes because that had been running higher than we budgeted and they had some new enrollees so we were able to increase that so budgets are up revenues are up over last year about only .28% and part of that too was budgeted for the general fund reimbursement of sewer and water and the auditor said don't budget for the revenue because you need to take it it's the only way it's going to reduce what they owe you so don't put it in as a revenue anymore okay I know when it comes to the combination of the link with taxes and interest we've been trying to add that down in the last couple of years so I didn't see any numbers in there like how are we doing in your data well it's going to be different this year because see how in the previous it's always super high well this starting this year July 1st we started doing taxes different so all their budget was on on a cool basis but your taxes were on cash so we moved to a cruel so now this is going to become one number now it shows if you look at your balance sheet it shows your taxes are reasonable so it takes everything that you build and it subtracts out of that so you're going to have a better idea at any time what your number is so we fixed that this year that was one of the I know in the last couple of years we used to have as much as $50,000 yeah and I dropped it by $35,000 to $35,000 and so that's what I did this year we had said in the past we were going to drop it $5,000 every year so I did and it's funny because you could come in and pay and we say yes your November payment and you were late so when you come in once you've charged interest the system will call you delinquent but you're not technically delinquent until you miss your May 15th payment when you assess your penalty but it will be a little cleaner once it starts coming out of one line and we'll start budgeting probably just a number for taxes but I did drop it by $5,000 and you said you wanted to do every year and do we have any other properties for tax sale we currently I'm not in the process of putting a tax sale right now so no anticipated tax sale maybe I just can't tell you because it's a study but Deetre just came on we've been obviously doing the interim and then Deetre came on now she's doing some collection so we know there's a couple properties that we will probably wouldn't go for tax sale we're gonna hold it right now but she just have written all the letters to the banks and then called the banks back to see if they've taken any action so we're starting to get some things wrapped up and some people paying off because we've got some pressure with some of the banks and we cleaned up I mean you put 40 some on it for tax sale the first time and apparently we do it down the way of 11 and I sold nine out of it so I don't know I don't want to budget for it because I don't know and if we do probably won't be until the summer or early fall before we do the tax sale where is the revenue we anticipate to have on the sugar ale problem where does that go? beyond the current budget on the rough land well what I would have to do is to deposit that money into your capital in your capital but you did require a year the only thing we spent on that I would go back and look at the bills that you've paid this year for legal out of that and you're 20 bucks a month for electric so we can take what you've spent it out on this fiscal year put it in as a miscellaneous draft I would say take the rest of the proceeds and put it in your capital building fund with the state of town office and the town garage you'd be smart to save that money where would that be? ah sure that would be my recommendation anybody else have any revenue questions? I know the revenue is usually easier piece of budget because it needs to have a change of a lot I'm going to show you do it I'm going to show you the expenses I'll just raise the revenues do you see how we do that? each one is laid out so we don't have the revenues all equal they'll just stick in there another one that'll look fun so yeah we've got the constable's department so I see that's slightly down I didn't monkey much with it frankly it just took the existing same budget 20 hours a week workers comp the insurance I dropped the cruiser a little bit because from 3,000 2500 because I figured you'd have it's newer so I knew they had done regular maintenance everything else I kept the same no retirement? he doesn't need retirement because he has already participated in a retirement program in royalty once he went there full time they called in the state and they were like wait he can't be in beavers and users I'm like well what do you want to do here so basically she just needed him to agree to go into one and he was like aren't so that's why but if we do bring in a second constable you know there may be a little bit there but I don't know it depends where he works because if he has a full time job he has to do it somewhere else because Oscar made an appointment to bring he might be interested in the second constable and I said bring him in before they even fill out the resumes see what we got we don't pick no sense in the way it's in there so we'll see you obviously had the price for the VSP last time so it really depends you're either going to have a constable or two constables or you're going to have a VSP either way you're going to you're going to continue the police that you're going to have you know 40 you ran paying somebody so I love the cruiser funder because you were already on a schedule for 5000 and we put that in the town court last year we have a status update on the other crew yeah he has he's he has an offer so he's bought, he has anyone whoever paid for he's picked it up it's a shirt and he has, I think he's going to sell the other one for 5 grand so that will also get back in the month so we're almost getting back what we paid you paid 74 I think it's not bad we're just throwing this one in right it's like on a boat alright any questions on that one places so this one changed this is 0% oh no I guess it worked out to be the same it wasn't weird I think I went back twice so this was a changed in Richard's a little bit in the scope kind of looked at how it actually had worked over the years over the year to see originally we started with X amount of hours when Morgan took this position started this position and Greg had agreed it we had X amount of highway X amount of water, X amount of parks and then we kind of had to figure out what are they actually working where we can move it around in a little bit more fair representation so that's why this one majority of this budget had changed street lights were down a little bit and maybe because of the wattage bulbs or something maybe I don't know we've got a reduction in street lights certainly they're rating drop didn't you change some of them over to LED? I thought they were to change them all but that wasn't supposed to we weren't going to get this type of light well they won't I don't know they might throw it out for street lights the lights that green out power change so if you each pay a black fee once they're sold a wooden pole street lights on the down the street you pay for the electricity because you won't and I draw the flags and poles because the only person I would pay out of here is Neal Fox and he's kept his bills bent about the same he just orders one from someone and brings me the actual bill there's no mark up on it so yeah it ended up being the exact same budget I think there was a mistake and so that was kind of a fluke what part of the budget were we putting the the garden work into that's in the that's no I think yeah that's it he's right yeah yeah that's a funny thing that was the lady gentlemen so we love that we didn't do much with it this year because obviously we had a street format and the other thing I had a question maybe Linda knows but so the banners that we have on the light poles now I know the banners that are currently anyways my daughter's probably found one that was on the ground so we brought looking at it it's great I know we had two sets right yeah so we actually we had gotten two sets the first set they're supposed to be you know fade fabric the first set faded within six months and so we went back to the company showed them how badly they faded and they gave us another two sets so now there are you might have found one because I know there was one on the bridge that went off it's called the original set and so if it looks super old they're not actually that older but it looks pretty good so I can throw that one out so I didn't know where we had to point to Dave Sanborn might have set the kinks down and one of our thoughts was like to auction them off as a fundraiser so we could I mean if it looks really crummy because it's been blown blown around and driven over it's probably not worth keeping it but it's really crummy I could check with Dave I think he had kept the original set that was super faded to come next spring we should be able to put one of the new sets and the idea is to trade them out because they actually fade faster if they're just sun exposed all the time so you can kind of give them a rest and so I think it should be probably figured out with the road crew of like trading them out once a year or what how much does one set of those cost that's a good question did you ever no, no I did a brand that got them I mean I know I've gotten a lot of good feedback over a couple years with them so it seems like people in the town would like to see those even whatever won't run out of any sets of them but it would be maybe something to have information on how much a set does cost and maybe put something in the budget part of me is thinking maybe around $1,300 but I might be making that number up but the two sets and it's 16% I believe it's 16% so I think it was right around there but I'll check it why we did also we had when we were waiting for those to come in we had local kids make a bunch of holiday ones they're not like they're just sort of generic wintery themed snowmen and snowflakes Rebecca might have those but they're around we have a set and I put them in a tote because somebody brought them in and they're in a tote and I'm pretty sure that we have them because that's the other option those could get traded out and then the other new set goes up in the spring and just trade them out that way they're around I think it came down to we just didn't know how to get them up on the full without quietly giving ourselves we were not supposed to I thought that they borrowed somebody's boom truck or do you know we're open as a boom truck very well and then but did you do it when you were as a volunteer I feel like you did it as on a Saturday or something you know the construction going on this year you know we didn't make the crosswalks you know a lot of things just be nice to make sure we're all set for it next year when you get back to normal in the downtown so we're going to have more construction but not as much right we made it as far as we're going to make it for the year which is right here they did the connection to Janice Punter and they were waiting when I talked to him this morning we were waiting to hear from the CEO or whatever of the credit union because when they done that they found two package lines coming out of that building on which nobody could anybody know so they were like alright we just need one service line going in but the credit union needs to do that work because they're on that side of the curb stop so was it one for the apartment building or one for the we don't know but they only need one connection so they're waiting for them to say okay we'll do the plumbing on our side and then connect on yours it was trenched open still but those will be the final there's a lot of smarts we're going to pay this year and obviously we're paving the pavers supposed to come Wednesday and do some preliminary work I have two questions on the parks and public places so one was the stone wall out here was in pretty rough shape last year looking even worse now I'm just wondering if we're considering budgeting repair of that I mean it's starting to now just look derelict yeah I've been trying to find someone to do the work you haven't estimated cost to do I don't because we were waiting to get through there because of the vibrating bucket vibrating wall I wasn't sure what it was but I tried to get somebody to look at it it was a gentleman that did the one too small of a job he didn't want to look at but I had a Johnson store okay I can also I already went down this route I can reach out to a couple but I have somebody else too that I could get but we were waiting because and if they're going to be running the vibrating bucket and the vibrating wall again I just wasn't sure if we should just wait until it's done what are these new gates and that's been honestly thinking like cost you had somebody come in to do the work on that wall a couple years ago a couple years ago a couple years ago so the the nice stone wall like the whole section by the staircase is just falling out from under it so so we could have some more money in there for that and see if we could get some of it done maybe over two years get some of it done because at the same time when they were down here digging right out in front of the building Tim had pointed out to me he was not usually standing in front of town hall but they noticed that the mortar out of your brick so it needs to be re-pointed in a few places so I was like okay thanks so we pointed that out so we could re-take care of that so we could have some money in here for that get some sort of ballpark estimate on that and we can talk about either doing it one year or over two years can you that little bit of stone wallage between the longer map and the old Richardson's building you know that little space that's pretty much falling out and that's just a dry-laid wall that's private property yeah that's a dry-laid wall it's not like this one okay so that big bit of land isn't town property I don't think that's a town property well the other thing too is you have three thousand I think it's whoever owns the well that's the the longer map so that was the Ryan probably the other thing too is we have three thousand in the park specification this year which we know we're not even going to use by June so maybe we'll see how much it costs to get some of that re-done out there maybe we can get a little repair this year normal next so I have, maybe you could have emailed me the names you had yeah I'd have to reach out but I have a whole network of people through yesterday and there's definitely Masonry classes there that I can reach out to the Masonry folks in Vermont and just see who they come up with because I know there's a guide and a guide which is a little clue that when I have a little project well because that's the other thing, sometimes yesterday tomorrow I was looking for projects that's where you got our building re-pointed because they needed a brick building to do some restoration work on well you can tell now you have two things you have a brick building who does those classes is the state brick historian he still does classes they have to actually fill for them to run a class so this year's got canceled obviously but he's always looking for projects nice so yeah you can reach out to him and just let me know yeah maybe we can yeah all you have to do is put up the students and feed them it's easy my other question on this was and it's sort of still also related to the parking lot but I think it's not exclusive to the parking lot which was when Morgan was doing like a regular mowing and things this whole section looked a lot nicer and I've noticed this year and a little bit last year because it's not noticed frequently people just chuck trash into it and so now it's just full of trash and so it's one of those I've noticed an uptick in the amount of trash just generally around the parking lot area and so I'm just kind of wondering if we want to think about it we're trying to do a lot of the revitalization efforts but I think a lot of that has to, we have to put in some energy to keep it looking nice so this kind of thing is often well that was my question was if it seemed like it was Jason if you know because I was thinking it was part of this budget but I wasn't really sure when when Morgan left and you know it was like I wasn't sure how that all so clean up trash around municipal parking lot because I don't think they ever had to be back at all so no right it had once and it was relatively recently it was like whenever the town mowing oh well he came up and did he cut some brush over here and maybe he did that he made on mail maybe because if he wasn't told to do that he wouldn't have been able to do it so I'll make a note to clean up the trash so the municipal parking lot he mowed and trimmed in the future but we also, Chris and I talked about the fact that we're going to have to redo this parking lot and he said something about it well at some point we have to but I can talk to them about him about that for the spring so he knows that he needs to maintain it because we did have a gentleman who was watering the plants and doing things like that this year and Paul was fixing up a bench for the prevention and parking lot we don't do something here in the next couple of years and we're going to get to the point where we'll have to take it down the dirt right now it's at the point where it could get overlaid and be nice and functional and on cost as much we can blend it in with something else could you write me could you be able to give me shoot me an estimate on what that should be maybe I can pack it next year with these guys coming back to town like I said before I would try to group it in with where can I be like so if you have a pavement you want to group small where or big where come in next spring to finish the water project when we want a price from them I think the price would be too high even as they're here to do the water project I think you need to try to only do some let's say you didn't see a hill so we'll look it back because we're going to do a lead to sand hill grand and that I was just curious how much that would be can you just email me how much you can do yeah no I can do this we're like he's just so I can add it to my capital but I'll make a note that to clean up trash on this should I not be moved to the back side this current one here is 100% elder responsibility does the bank have any responsibility in that current one I guess I don't know I think they gifted that but they had only gifted that so it's 100% the town just part of the agreement was that they get some of this part of it so I'll make a note on here too about the because I'm aware that we just were kind of gone when I forgot about that we decided we weren't going to deal with it this year because of the construction and now could there be that I'm not sure maybe we could when they're done but I'll make a note stone wall if it could go in September didn't we have somebody that was going to do that and up on Cherry Hill that stone wall up there wasn't that a couple years ago well I don't know about that I know who did the money in for Cherry Hill the cemetery but I thought there was a discussion about this doing both projects I vaguely remember trying to put some money in to build up some money because it was going to be so expensive I think the price we get at that point was so great and the cost was just as high so we put some money to start building some money in the we put money in the cemetery line and so Cecil's going to work on and I think if he's found somebody local he's going to approach your health because he got some prices and he said it was so ridiculous to rebuild the whole wall and he's like I'm going to rebuild the whole wall I just need to do this section so he's going to try to do it because he knows his money goes way from 30 because that was in the cemetery so we'll try to get someone down to see what we can do Tim when he was over here he sent me a picture of it and he's like hey is they going to fix this and I'm like yeah we'll get done but not until because what would be the point here if we had a parking lot so thank you for that I didn't know that was not happening or that it even happened so we'll talk to him so do you have anything else on parks and public places well I don't think so anybody else so then there's the municipal office I don't building maintenance I dropped it because we have there's just, it's all that I have no room in this public town office except except that we have a great electric wall and I got the price of that insulation coming on the 20th and I got the gentleman there and now there's some work to put in the new door and stuff but I got the bad news that the doors that are open to this big tank I was always told it's a 10,000 gallon fuel tank so they smell fuel because those doors have been shut for a long time and then they're open they got a little bit of fuel so when they came and Tim was like look trees this smells like raw fuel this isn't burnt fuel so we called Harper environmental they came down and checked it out and said look don't have a leak but what you have and we got a portion of it open so they could see Virginia kind of hold into this top things it was so rusted you couldn't get in with and he said look it has sludge in it so you have three choices choice number one is leave it alone and wait for it to leak and I was like and I love that two ways to air open cut open the entire floor cut open the tank clean the tank and you leave it there or three is pulled tank out so none of this needs to be done tomorrow but when you add that into the bigger picture that now that we know that all the fat all the esophage that is rotted the deck of the roof is rotted and we know we need to strip the sides so basically now we know that the town hall office needs it's fine we think that garage for lack of a better term but it was originally it's a mess anyways it's all rotted you can see the old metal siding under there Tim wants to move that you know we had a talk about he ever did that which was to tear the whole thing down we got to make a parking there so now we're looking at a whole different thing now we're looking at we need new roof we need new siding we need to pull out our shell the hill that needs to be redone and we need to pull the tank out the tank out the ground so the good news was yeah it was leaking but so I said forget it I'm just going to draw all the maintenance because that's not we're going to have to look at I got the engineering part of the town garage all our number one priority so I have that and then we have the town hall I just need to get through both and look at the capital building and kind of look at what we're going to do next so I said why increase this budget because it's crazy you know I can't do anything that I need to do for that so I just dropped it and just dropped it and wait you see what when I pull the rabbit out of my hat and it goes so that's why I ordered it so what are we anticipating the increase in the health insurance benefits so yeah I still I did the same as I did last year so I have the new rates so we know what the actual rates are and I think it was this year 7.9% increase and then the actuals for 6 months and then I increased the body I think we've done 12, I did 12% and for the other 6 months also the HRA changed so which we have come up with a plan it was 2700 last year for a family and 1400 if you were single this year it went to 1500 if you were single and 3000 for the family plan it increased also so this is a representation of the increase in the HRA and you know a possible increase in health insurance for the last 6 months I also had gotten beginning I only funded the HRA liability at 70% but I had gotten so in the last couple of years like 2 years for the whole HRA liability which is just saying everybody spends the first we grant that way there's a little extra so we get but I think that they have gone to the state with a bigger increase I think they got 7.2 I'm sorry I don't have a number but so that's how I budgeted the health insurance and then I finally got someone from Greenback or Remakeville reached out to us finally we reallocated the money from the that we pay each month so when I said June B equals that's what that is Greenback or that's our percentage of workers come at least in the copy it's a 1.36% increase over last year so if you're like anything we just go through it and then once you see the bigger picture we can go back and go through the whole thing at once so of course Town Hall which is down building repair I dropped a little bit because we budgeted for some stuff that I think we can still get done in the spring out of the six grand like getting the windows washed I think Paul and I talked about that so I think that's really the only only oh and the heat yeah I think just the price of heat we'd save money so I dropped that building in the last couple of years savings and heat and building the pair and we have a contractor may I come over here he should be coming government operations up and the reason there's a couple things here I've talked to Louise and Judy we talked a little bit about the reappraisal and the reappraisal coming so you can see I decreased because we hadn't been using it and then so I increased from $5,000 to $20,000 which is obviously the whole budget but the reappraisal is coming so five grand is nice but we need to put more away how much we got in the kitty now I can't talk about my headphones I didn't write the number in here but I'll tell you next time what's the what's the projected of the reappraisal oh I thought you were going to spend I would say $250 or more okay I was just looking for something well we just started it actually I started the reappraisal last year yeah and then you had the reappraisal so you could put it in your app whatever money in it so that's in here I left the capital improvement reserve under the capital building but I left that alone for now until I can figure out the town brush then in bold you can see where it says energy committee seven grand discussion regarding options here that is the better connections grant and my advice for this coming budget is to forget about it so she said you can get the better connections grant but if we're going to be next year finishing this water project we'll be planning on sand hill but we're trying to go for the transportation or for this other grant this $300,000 we're still going to come up with our match there she said look you can get the better connections grant any time and part of that you know is I think they were looking at whatever their original looking at it was off the table and Nicole we're talking about other things and we certainly have we've got to deal with the infrastructure three or four years in a row so my thought was take it out even if you were going to do pedestrian improvements for us that's great and I want to see that done but right now I think we've got to fix what's in the ground we've got to deal with our infrastructure our storm water, our painting and then we can do some of those and my suggestion is take it out of the budget as much as I hate to say that because I was originally thinking I could write the better connections and use it for safe routes to school to be released from Church Street to the school and put in signage for the trails and kind of package that all this one thing so people can park at the school day to park and if there wasn't a wreck and you charge for the trails but then when I we started looking at sand hill and all that this is baby steps like what's the priority would be the road and the storm water and the water versus and the town barrage versus the sidewalk from there's a note in the energy community minutes though about the 70,000 no grant they're going to apply for it's about connections and I had told Nicole and Rebecca and said look I think that we can use this for for a safe route to school but we're looking at alternatives and then so I mean it's seven grants and it's so for me it's like if we're going to apply for the three we can put it toward the 75 that we have to come up with if we get that or I just feel like there's higher priorities right now and I hate to say that but that's my opinion I don't know how many I would take it though I mean it's just but I had a couple of questions so why on legal and I know you know we you know we got all screwed up there about four years ago we went through that big legal battle with the water stuff so that's when we kind of said oh we got a budget more money and legal and things but would it be and since then we you know not use legal much I mean would it be wiser because it seems like legal is most of the time it's nothing and all of a sudden you have something big that pops up and the way we're budgeting right now it's only for a a budgeted year so if you budget if you agree and that's just 15 grand for that year and the next year all of a sudden you have a big legal battle at $60,000 you're going to have this huge spike I mean would it be helpful if at this point the legal piece we somehow make like a legal fund that we can move that money from one year to the other and we use a budget legal so that all of a sudden if we have a large legal battle we can deal with it without having to increase the tax rate or I don't know I mean just was thinking that because if you look at the other ones you know $3,500, $2,000 you know so it's well under but at some point we might need that one if we have to yeah because usually if you're um for the most part if you're dealing with a passive and you let them know what's going on and take advantage of some of their services they'll cover a lot of yourself in your case once it's the water they don't cover that but I don't think that's a bad idea you can't you know it just it'll happen and then you gotta defend yourself that's a good idea I don't think of course it isn't going to be a good deal if it's gone yeah exactly and you can manage it if you had a fund there I'd say I don't know ten years down the road we have $100,000 and you want to decide to move some of that money into something else you could we should have something or maybe leave that as a secret I was like I was like I was going back and I was looking at that I went back to all the town reports that I had we only had two times 14 years ago we had a larger legal thing and all the other times it's kind of small yeah because you have one for water and I imagine you have one for gala general because you would have had to go to environmental court and they're not going to cover that so it makes sense that you would have those are the two I can think of I think that's a good idea and if you have that build up reserve you could budget less than a given year absolutely I like that idea and then I had the other I was going to pick on trees and I think I know the answer so we had the audit services where we were at control gear for a while and then we got the three year agreement with them which was $20,000 and then all of a sudden I see it rising up and up again and I know some of this because wasn't the agreement we had was like a three year deal like a fixed amount it's a fixed amount when they were doing additional bookkeeping they were going to charge you for it so 3926 as he came in June he was only here for a couple of days and he was very happy but don't let us not forget that we have to pay the seven at least we have to have a single audit because of all the damage in April plus we had the DWSRF which is this money that we're going to have and puts us in the position where we have to do the single audit which is not budgeted for because well we had tried very good thought we could get the money out of Femont or Crackle Highways and they both said no I don't know of DWSRF if there's any in the $2.8 million that was going to cover any portion of the audit if we had to have a single audit but so that's not here this year so far we're good I'm not sure if budget was not budgeted it is what was 229.65 I'm not sure I had the right number if that would have been 20 maybe that should have been 21 something but 22 then we're at 3926 and I have to find the contract and then on the so on the revenue side we didn't budget for any tax sales but on the cost side we budgeted costs for tax sales well tax sales not going to give you any the revenue the revenue for tax sale is we're just going to talk about this reimbursed tax sale expense is that what you're I don't budget any money for that anyways because I don't know what that's going to be let me look under property tax yeah there's no we don't budget a revenue for tax sale because this just comes with it costs you money it costs you money I'd like to do a tax sale over that calendar year so within 2122 let's just look at some of the previous years costs we haven't really spent a whole lot of money no because we only the year that we did do a tax sale it was almost five grand and so then this year I don't know between this year and that we will do a tax sale in here and it may and it won't be probably as much because I won't anticipate column up until I have 40 someone property and a few but you don't budget a revenue because the revenue would be doing the taxes that we get back um they're outstanding now so but one thing I did see in there that we may want to take a little better look at is the advertising if you go back and look at advertising you pretty much have beaten our advertising budget we have and I would say you know we're still looking for an advertisement and then there's all those pieces that will come up at some point and that's exactly what happens we may want to figure in just a little bit more into the advertisement yep we do and and then what was the actually finding my notes Shane wanted me but someone had come to the board asking for some monies conservation commission wants to grant or no Mary came on board fest you don't see that but I did no it's in the but yeah she came so I guess we want to make that five for advertising well I was going back and you know I think the year prior to that we had like 55 it was like close to six I think one year back there was like seven of course you know we had like town manager searches town manager searches for probably the most and we did you know we did two of those in a three year span so that was kind of painful I'll put 5500 with the question mark and I'll take this and we'll add it somewhere later on the contract and then I'll make a note reserve fund for people capital and then I don't know if we have to balance and we freeze the fund and then based upon what we have for you know going forward with the public works building and or this will go see where that capital improvement funds number I have found things because I did get the report back from Karol Islands and I don't know how to read it yet so I do have that. I mean one would assume that at this point if we were to report with a a new structure or rehabilitated structure that that would probably come up with like a single vote. Yeah but probably some of these issues with the municipal building to get through the next 10 or 15 years and probably come under this department. Yeah, so they both yeah so we'll look at it because he sent me a couple of emails and then I got his report and he found some interesting things like I thought a piece that didn't go back where the previous people built so that's not I guess that wasn't like a full proper slab it was just like a five inch and like so that would come out and be even better. Yeah so that's that but so anyways we're going to take a look at I'll read it and then have a better idea of what we're going to do. Yeah, I mean I would assume that whatever we do with the building up there would have effect on this budget here because we would probably go a lot more. Yeah but whatever needs to be done on the municipal building you know would be carried over to that point. We'll have a better idea for you for the next meeting and then the thing about the town of Roddy kind of looked at the package and then the possibility of putting the additional bay as like option A to see how much the whole thing is and then this is option B pay so we could maybe sort of do it separately but I don't know we have a couple of questions out there too about the we need to have a static pond and out there so that this year is not done yet. But I'll read his report and we'll have a better idea and we'll do that too in the packet and we'll see what's going on. But that's still my micro means though. So what piece will we see next time the rest of it? I don't promise anything I just want to get it on the record. I I I hope to have fire and creation maybe. I started all these numbers and asked them some questions and I tried to give them each everybody a draft budget I'll be a fire wreck and public works a draft and then just kind of do these expenses and see what does the appropriations committee have to do to start the process. Everything is due first of December so all the time is efficient. So we'll see so my hope is we'll see the rest and go so Anything further on the pieces you mentioned you looked at today and the last item for the evening we've had the school had reached out to us in regards to thoughts of the town of Bethlehem taking over the flowering and winter maintenance of the parking lot. Yeah, it was a Bob Ray is that a name is that a name? Yeah, so he called and he's on May and he asked if they had a contract I guess they put it out to Beth and they had like a $58,000 contract and so he asked if he's like well it would be nice if the town would take over a flowering school and he asked to suffer and I'm like yes but I would say probably no and I'm like look the manpower to take over doing the school and what he's like well it's the same budget I said no they're not the same budget you have a different budget than they do and so I said I don't know if I'll ask the school but maybe I think in the past we've done it Did we ever float, did we ever do winter maintenance of the school? Oh yeah, we did we did do the school but the agreement that I understood that if we did we charged the school every time that we've done it and again we got turned in and we kind of did so eventually faded away from doing that but we had done it in the past the flowering and so on but that was when all three trucks would go down at one time, knock it out and then we'd go to Iraq and then one truck would come back in then they would knock the path off and then we just kept rotating back and forth but every time we did we had to keep time and turn it in but I don't know if that kind of turned in and then I did question about that the time was not turned in you were receiving it and receiving it sounds like it doesn't turn it in they were also going to ask where I'm going to take over the world in school and you were saying too they can absorb something like that well I think the first thing right now we're a person down at the public works building anyway so you'd be taking on more responsibility with the less person to begin with so I guess that makes it kind of difficult and why would you want to take on the liability of plowing the roads we own but why would you want to take on the liability of plowing the property that's described you know you know we had enough people I mean we've turned 58,000 people to do it I'm sorry I think before this you can only do the part where I basically might do that one time and then the small truck would come by and try to seek the path before the bus before doing a whole try and you know so to say consolidated as Dave said his private property now it doesn't have anything to do with the town of Bethel yeah so I told him I wouldn't get his hopes up so hand it's all I can see the road to the one that you looked at it's not in the budget it costs this budget anyway I would pay no more well I mean I guess you know the thought would be we were in a good position and had enough manpower that we couldn't charge the school he was saying you know your time is whatever X amount of hours or whatever but we can charge you 59,000 well I don't care we'll be 57,000 he was looking for us to do it for a purpose well they shouldn't consolidate it then well the thing that I was telling Teresa the difference is if you take $58,000 into the town's budget you know that will make your you know your tax rate you know two and a half cents more now if you take $58,000 and you put it into the school's budget you wouldn't even see a penny difference you know so because that budget can absorb it so it's such a bigger budget right so really as a town if you look at the numbers of townspeople it's better off being the school budget it's not going to affect your rate as a government group if you moved it of course I think we all know that everybody's going to get affected today you can't hear because of your tennis I guess it's why they formed the finance committee I think for audit committee or something I don't release it on it so we're just going to because then how are you going to take care of all of them oh yeah I'll plow it for you I made my little truck with all the kids down there it's your PE time there you go I'm going to tell Bob that is a good idea there are kids that would be thrilled to shovel instead of sitting in a classroom that's right hey when I was a kid you got in trouble at school you had to do it like you would see kids out on lawns you know you went to things that that's what we're doing wrong I think I would be on if I did something wrong you went and did some labor town manager report we have anything we haven't covered just with us taking that additional state of $38,992 and putting it into the capital or funds well hey I'd stay for the same purpose yeah it gives it so we have longer to spend it basically if I leave it in here you're just going to take it well no because the strings are unfun the fact that they're cutting how much grant we're going to get next year they're making promises so that's what I would like to see done with it is to move it so that we have access to it after June 30 I just want to make sure you're all in agreement with that yeah sounds like that yeah very good we have these what for minutes from the 19th which is a special meeting it was a joint yeah we're all done so the other one will be our packet yeah I just finished 12th yeah and they're out on the website you brought but I just need to send it to Kelly so motion to approve those so move second okay field reports and there you've got a writing on the superintendent said you could have town leading at school class 4 road committees oh yeah class 4 I didn't know that Don had gone to the class 4 road committee prior to the meeting he went a couple of weeks later oh because the late 7th year is that he had attended and then he was going to go to the select board it was just two days yeah I was kind of reading yeah I had to do it without checking the dates yeah it was yeah it was after because we were doing our budget meeting and he was yeah so he went there and then what I talked to Carl today he said what he thinks are going to do is that the class 4 road committees are going to make they don't want to make recommendations for policy information not just there but other things and I didn't tell him he might want to call you to keep your brain a little bit because it said no had some insight because that calls speaking about a foundation for the camp and Don had said that so I said you know we might know more about that and I've hunted in there and I've never seen what the original stagecoach road is in there and I've never seen where that went through so I didn't tell Carl that today most of us seem to have the most knowledge about that actually Gary Slackwood because they own land in there and of course the camp is annoying but and he may have reached out to him I don't know but he knew what he knew about the foundation and I know where that is so we talked about that and that was it I think we mixed that by hand I told I said we couldn't get a snet truck in there so we had to mix it by hand yes I did I've got a request some a lot of the reports we get like the water project and like in class 4 mode every day is in 292 Main Street or town 999 and that will go into some of the record so we had to go 292 Main Street is the town hall I love where it is town 999 is Slack Hill I don't know where that is along with 99% of the rest of the people in town town 999 is the one near Harvey Davis's we have that I do know where it is now I had to do some research where somebody just said I would know I would know on that thing where town hall 6 I would have what is that Marshmallow, Berry Grove all the signs are going to cut off well let me tell you about that that's true they know and somebody found out the lady who owns is a Lincoln just Lincoln firearms I guess she called and said these signs and that was Lincoln so that's where I think they are but yeah they cut that hole and last year with a saw saw just tie that's right where you like well they had greased them we talked about that last time we used a plane on a tail full of cement at the bottom of and they cut them and then we talked to one of them at one point we talked about greasing because where I came from we had this one sign in particular in town and it was tail wrap and the roe form was like this is every kid in this town must by God would have a song with their name on it by now and so finally it took this kind of greasing maybe Jason knows where it was and we said they put it on and they said you touch it it was like glue and he met some kids and he said I can see all over that kids shirt and he goes I just smile and play and we get back on but I said now he said he and AJ had he took this old used bucket of grease and I said hey get out of here at least they're going to have to steal it try and grease on the thing he did and he was like I'm talking but it made somebody call so I mean what do you even do I know I know you know you can say you can do it sounds like illegal feels is going on yeah it will be fun now it's so good that's right well the interesting thing was that they cut off what do you do about that I mean some of it they covered it in grease they you know they wanted they wanted I guess I think I can tell the game cameras we didn't talk about that well are you as well facing for the sign phones for the kids well yeah but anyways it was bad and it's not cheap because of the new sign requirements how they have to be those suckers they don't give them away and the labor of people putting them back I know they've tried several trends so I think we have anything else coming for the board I move we adjourn second bye