 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast Baloch 2023 special right here on Plus TV Africa. We're glad to be joined by a guest who is a public affairs analyst to look at the electoral process on Saturday and Sunday with emphasis on electoral violence. I'm glad to have honorable Dr. Oshino Ibrahim. Dr. Ibrahim, it's been some time and nice to have you back on the breakfast. Thank you. It's nice to see you too. I miss you guys. Yes, yes. In a nutshell, let's start from here. In a nutshell, what is your assessment of the 2023 election so far? Generally, good morning Nigeria's, good morning viewers. I believe I like as underperformed based on the guidelines, based on their processes and, you know, the high level of, you know, exorbitant promises they've made to Nigeria's that the result will be veering in life. Immediately, you know, you vote after voting. The result will be uploaded. I can tell you that most of the polling units where results, elections are concluded and results are yet to be uploaded, 38 hours after the elections. So most of Nigeria's are highly disappointed in Haine and we expect them, we expect them to do the new few as soon as possible. I listen to my dear brother and friend Maristafestos Okue for the first time to see the man struggling to address Nigeria. He's unable to, you know, go deep and explain himself in the usual manner. The reason why results are not yet uploaded, from a high level of field statistics, but by law, I need to deserve and reserve the right to upload the results. Real time for Nigeria to view the results of the election. So apparently, I would say I'm disappointed in what is going on right now, but I need to do the new few as soon as possible. This is a very keenly contested election. Most of the results from the not are yet to be known, not east, not west. Possibly a set could be and probably a few states from not central. So we are watching, we are watching, we don't know what is going on with Haine, but we urge them to do the new few before 12 o'clock the results show. I would be in a budgetary test by before that time, so we are watching, we are telling what is going on. So I am disappointed, I am disappointed personally as in Nigeria. That's what I can say for now. I mean we have seen the results from the state coming first to be returned by the returning officer from the state right there to the National Coalition Center in Abuja. But other states like you say are still trying to put their acts together. One of the major reports we are hearing is voter suppression, voter disenfranchisement through the use of political thugs. We have for instance, legal state and river state as cases in point. What are your thoughts on this? Because the opposition Labour Party has called for the cancellation of the presidential election. One of the things, excuse me, they are citing is the use of thugs to rig the election. And they are saying that most of the results that are coming out are not reflecting the true will of the people. So what do you say to this? I wonder who is complaining about, is it Mr. Peter or me who is complaining about the thug? The voters, the voters out there, you know. The voters out there. Unfortunately, you know, the samples that we are trying to, you know, show does not reflect on the present results in legal state for instance. If they are not fearing election, how on earth will Peter or me who is trying to protect and pay the six months, will come and prove, come and rule showing the retirementment? Will we in our show and rules put him in a cage? The failure, the capital of the Labour state. So if they are not fearing, so who is using thug? I don't know about thug, I've worked on the Labour's and I know what is being done. I don't understand who is complaining about who. Most of the elections in the state have been legal results have been released. Where are we that is complaining? I don't know if it is in the air, if it is in the air, this is the whole complaining. The dust of fear, that's vicious if it is complaining and is willing. So who is using thug? In our power, most of the PC members will be in a handball to deal with them to vote. So these are the reports we've done that. So who is complaining about who? So I need to know who is complaining. Who are the voters that is complaining? I don't know about PDP, I don't know about the MPC, I don't know about the Labour Party. So who is complaining? You can see there is a lot that is coming off of Labour's head. It shows that the Labour Party members, it's fair. So who is complaining about the voter suppression when you are leading in the state capital? In a show or show, can you imagine that? So I don't know, you can tell me who is complaining. So basically you are saying that you are a resident of Lagos State, you are a voter in Lagos State. Then you went out to cast your vote peacefully and there were still incidents of Thugry and violence. I do notice that, not because I was sitting online, but these days I know that professional journalists have known me for a while. So I know you don't take all those social media reports so serious, except if your channel can bring down the footage of where you see. And you have to identify where the people, you know, this is a national election. There are a lot of a few frackers who come up, but where are you voting peacefully at large? Nothing like of such a point. Alright, there is something called user generated content. You know, even in the media we take what we call eye witness reports from time to time. It's one of the ways of getting information and news. So even in print media they would always leave their phone number for anyone who wants to, has anything worthy of note to give to them. CNN, BBC, they use user generated content from social media. Of course I have been asked to give my content. So we have these social media reports, we rely on them. You know, we can't be everywhere. There's something called citizen journalism. So let's just take a look at some of these reports and then I'll come back to you so you can talk some more about them. Because these are serious reports, I mean, and we've seen them in full color. So if a PCR is ready we can just throw that and I'll come back to our guests. Alright, do we have the video clips ready? Okay, so can we just roll the tape and then have some perspective to what we're talking about? Well, what are we getting set to roll? I'm going to check. I'm going to check. Go ahead, go ahead. Don't cry madam. Don't cry. Even with blood dripping on your face. Dripping from your face you're still voting. She cannot be personalised. She will vote. Vote Lord and sweat. Vote. On top of work. She will still vote. Well, that last one in particular is the one that really got the attention a lot of people. I'm a doctor, you know, the woman who had a stomach stab on above her eye, right eye, and got some treatment and still was able to come back to vote. It's just one of the many incidents and reports of violence against voters in legal state. What do you say to this situation? I mean, you didn't see it in your polling unit, but there are widespread reports that thugs chased away voters, burned ballot papers. These are verified reports I'm talking about. Stole, you know, ballot papers, threw them on the roof of some of the buildings where the vote was taking place, told them, cut them away and all that. I mean, we can't deny that this happened. Doctor. The, you know, the first one was probably from the nuts. Then how do we identify who are the aggressors? Who are the people who are making the trouble? I'm saying that the reports, the verifiable reports, or the verified reports of attacks on voters by thugs, hired and sent by politicians, they are verified, they are documented. These are just ex-excepts. Do you know that most of the APC polling booths, I mean, you know, most of the APC polling agents have been attacked. Are you aware of that? We're talking about all of them. Doctor, we're talking about all the violence, whether on APC or PDP, we don't care. The complaint from police, there's a complaint from Labour, there's a complaint. What I'm talking about here is that the level of security deployment is over 400,000. We are the security men and women. We are the officers. We are the military. We are the DSS. We are the SDC. We are the, we are all these guys. So where else to build ground? You go to some polling booths, you find that there is no security personnel. You find that there is no body around the polling booths. So it's a security failure. So the security architecture, the inspector general for this, should have his major, major, major mechanisms. He has failed. For more protecting the voters, it's his job. We can take the level of mobilisation and funds according to these agencies for them to provide sufficient. People, the National Security Advisor, confirm and assure medias that the elections will go scot free. They will go eat free. At the end of the day, you can imagine the young, the women there. You know, but we have to give it to such filters. People have been battered and she'll still have the, you know, F-100 capacity to still come out and vote. That's where the corporate truth is in. So the, the bulk of the blame is on the DSS, the general police who is the chief, you know, coordinator of this exercise. So where are the policemen? How can those policemen handle such crowds? It's a polling booth. You have 400 voters, 500, 600, 600 voters. So I told police officer, we expect military to be, you know, to be around most of the polling booths. So these are major issues that police needs to come. We want our military to come out and address all these things. So we're not going to blame anybody for this, except the police. You know, few issues can happen between, you know, the agents, the polling booths, even the voters who love one party to others. It should always happen, you know. Look at, let me say like process, like the series, you see that issues happen at the polling booths. Okay, so Dr. Shinobi, you're just saying, Yeah, so are you now agreeing that there was, there were the widespread violence, you know, attacks on voters, thugry, in legal state during the election? And, but you are saying, yes, indeed there was, but it was on not just a liberal party or PDP members, it was on APC officials as well. What we're seeing is that we are seeing that voters, irrespective of who they're voting for, because they don't have their passing signal on them when they're voting, that the thugs are going for the ballot papers and the BVS, BVS device, you know. So, but you're saying that the police is squarely to be blamed and you're calling out the IGP. We have a... We're calling out the IGP. We have a... It's not doing a wonderful job. You started by saying there was no violence in Lagos although you're not aware that there was violence in Lagos state. You're not saying Lagos, Lagos, Lagos. Lagos has over 300... Yeah. Is it about 350,000 polling booths or something? Yeah. Over 300... You have so many polling booths in Lagos state. You can use a section, a vote, a polling booth to justify over 5,000 voters. You are voting simultaneously at the same time. So are you still insisting on voting? Are you going to measure that? If you're saying there's a fight in order, there's a factor in one polling booth, are you using that to justify almost about 200,000 polling booths? Do you understand? So on what scale, on what premise are you going to pull that? So you're going to determine what grade, on what level, what capacity, am I saying there is a wide spread? Wide spread is huge. It is huge. There is a wide spread. Wide spread is not the right word to use in Lagos state. Lagos state has a large piece of it. It has wide spread. I can tell you, all people will not put such votes. Make to make in Lagos state. Make to make. Okay. Make to make. Yeah. All people is really in... in... all people is really in a together with almost at the same time of votes. That is if... So how can you say there's a wide spread? So what does... So what does Lagos figures are coming out? So what does the wide spread... Wide spread because it's... Lagos still lies on the high GP to do his job. Okay. So you're saying that we didn't have many incidences of voter suppression and electoral thugry because OB is winning. That is the proof. But it's neck and neck in Tiddies Coast Lagos. But the point someone could make... If there are widespread, you will not see such results. Okay. The point that someone is making is that it will be a landslide. A total landslide. Boa Matinibu will be disgraced in his own state by Pete Obie if not for the thugry. These guys going around and chasing voters away, tearing the ballot papers that if everyone was allowed to vote, you would see a landslide. It will be neck and neck. You actually will see a landslide. It will be neck and neck. Okay. Let me check each one. That's what you're saying. The reason it's neck and neck is because of the... All that change. All that change. There are results. I'm not allowed to vote. You're not allowed to vote. No, no. But we're talking about Lagos. Okay. Let's bring in our... I'll come back to you, sir. I'll come back to you, sir. What is it? What is it? No, no. We're not talking about... We focus on Lagos. We'll look at all those places soon. We have to think it's a general election. We have to look at... I will, I will, I will. So are you saying because it's happening in Enambra, it is right for it to happen in Lagos as well? Is that what you're saying? I'm not saying that. I'm telling you that there is no widespread voter suppression in Lagos. You are seeing a good pooling over almost 500,000 votes. You are seeing a good pooling over 100,000 votes. That is more widespread. Okay. Because some of them are fighting... At this point... We have two beers of drink after a vote, and they start fighting, and you say that it's widespread. That's not widespread. Okay, fantastic. I want to bring at this point another guest who is on the line. He's in Lagos. Adei Misaka is a public affairs commentator, a political analyst. Adei Misaka, good morning to you. Thank you for your time. Okay, I'm told the guest is not on standby. So I'll come back to... Honourable Dr. Shinoa Ibrahim. Honourable Socialist, yes. This talk of the results being neck and neck. What do you think the aim of these thugs? We have several pictures, people of centres, their own reports. What do you think the aim of these thugs is? Is it to make sure that those areas that have a large population of voters who may be sympathetic to a particular candidate will not be allowed to vote, by reducing the votes that those candidates or that candidate could have gotten. Is that the aim of these thugs? I'm not going to speak for any talk. I'm not a politician. I'm a professional. I'm not a thug. But I can tell you that just a particular party, the government party, Lagos, believes that they have suppressed their votes. Those places that you are mentioning, they have to have gotten huge votes for their party has been suppressed because they are the governing party and they don't see well for people of labour states that this is another allegation coming from another section that the particular party that doesn't start a campaign less than six months are suppressing voters of the governing party. Who can not say that? That's why I ask initially, who are the sponsors of this talk? Do you know any party who are sponsoring? You have to do what we guys call investigative journalists to know where they are coming from. To know who sent them to... The governing party in Lagos states has claimed that there is voter suppression because of where their candidate needs to get the most buck of the vote. Actually, what they need to get the most buck of the vote are being suppressed by all these guys. So, how can you? I explained my discussion to Anambra and you ignored it. In Anambra, in Anambu, the reverse are not allowed to vote. The people have votes. The ESM, they are on the make of these guys. They can't come out to vote. Whereas Lagos has two renters, we have. Obvious, pulling almost 500,000 votes and you are saying there is a voter suppression. Where is that coming from? If suppression is coming from, what journalism is all about? Where is that coming from? Actually, it can be so accommodating. It can be so friendly to allow fear and fear. So no, no, it's so fair. And some people still have the right to suppress some entities of Lagos people to vote. You are complaining that... That's why I ask you to mention the people who are suppressing you. Who are the people suppressing you? Okay, we have a day, Mr. Akka on the line. Mr. Akka, can you hear me please? Good morning. We were talking about, and thank you very much for it. We were talking about voter suppression in Nigeria, particularly in Lagos state and electoral violence. What are your thoughts on that, please? Okay, there, Mr. Akka, we will try to patch you on properly. So please, just stay by your phone. Try to patch it properly so we can hear you better. Just stay with us. Mr. Shino, back to you. You were talking about the southeast. But we were talking about electoral violence overall. So why do you think that despite, you know, this electoral act 2022 that has been passed and people have prospects for it, you know, there are a lot of prospects for written expectations that we're still seeing violence in elections despite the passage of electoral act 2022? You know, I said earlier that I like this to be played and we have to do what we call, what we call post-credits of this election. I have got billions of millions in advance to prepare for this election. But, you know, a lot of complaints from civil society, from international organizations who see that there is a huge failure on the part, you know, of I like, you know, I believe that they are, they have over promised Nigeria's they could not do what they're supposed to do in terms of the result delivery 48 hours after it all happened in Kenya. The result was declared less than 24 hours after the election, you know, and they did the same thing. So what is going on? Most of the political agents, most of the returning officers could not pose their results online. So there are a lot of issues across the country. So we need to question Professor Mahmoud. The same thing in 2019, the election was postponed. All right, Dr. Shinobu. This issue of questioning Professor Mahmoud is a very important one because the previous guest, we talked about the challenges with Bivaas, you know, and all that and he also pointed at I-NEC. We will crave indulgence to go for a short break to bring our news at nine and we'll come back to you after that if you don't mind so that we can just conclude. I know you have a lot to say. Thank you very much. All right, still the breakfast, Bala 2023 special right here on the Plus TV Africa we'll be right back. Let's take a news brief and title clock and of course in the latest of what's been happening as far as elections are concerned and when we come back we'll continue the conversation on the 2023 elections and the violence that came with it. Please stay with us.