 Thank you for staying with us. We're still on the breakfast on plus TV Africa and it's time for our second hot topic We're talking about the planned restructuring of TCN and NLCR said it's dangerous I mean we've seen cases of TCN trying to restructure. We've seen cases of them Well, there was the power holding company and then there was the distribution companies and now TCN says they want to restructure However, NLC is saying it's quite dangerous and they are faulting that restructuring and saying, you know We should have more policies in place. There should be policy reforms, but Joining us to give us some insights on this and his take is comrade Ayo Obisoya He's from the he's a legacy chairman at the National Union of Electricity Employees NUEE. Good morning comrade Ayo. Thank you for joining us Good morning Same thank you so much for joining us. Okay, so NLC is saying that this restructuring is quite dangerous and TCN shouldn't go with this. What is your take? I mean you are the legacy chairman of the National Union of Electricity Employees I'm sure you have a lot on this issue on this case. So what are your take? What's your take? What are your thoughts? In the first instance Whenever we talk of privatization At the government doing it in a good way That's not our privatization script But as they really privatizing the company to the right people that they supposed to privatize it to and privatization is a competition between the government home business and private sector So who are the private sectors that the government are willing to sell it to? The one they have done in the past Does it work? Is it favorable to Nigerians? Do we see the light? Now they want to break the shame of production By saying that they want to sell TCN Selling TCN, privatizing TCN Is it going to work for Nigeria? It's just like in When you have a production In the shame of manufacturing the product And you break in And tell us that we don't need the old sales Transmission is like the old school And why we are having this But are they doing it in good faith? So what does this privatization mean? For TCN. What are the changes that we would see? And are they good changes or are we changing for the worse? So what does that even mean? I think a lot of people need to understand What privatizing the TCN would mean We are changing to the worst Because TCN is as warm What TCN is warm And when you break the monopoly You are thinking that you want to break the monopoly There is no way you can break the chain If you break the chain Which means some parts we don't have light Like today in some areas you don't have light Why? Because the people who bought their pure business man They don't care about you What has changed have they bring brought into the system? No change The monopoly transformers, the monopoly Is going into a sensation that has been through it And TCN is the only chain that we have now And TCN is giving supply as we speak today TCN gives supply but distribution Refuses to dash it out They are not giving it out They will only give to people they believe they can pay it So the same thing we have put And we are paying more and the injurans are paying more And if TCN goes to the end of private As we speak we are going to pay more So the injurans are going to suffer more Have you seen light? Have you seen the electricity? Have they given you electricity? They have promised they are going to give you four hours electricity But today we are seeing darkness The darkness we are seeing today And we are paying more for the darkness We are paying more for the darkness Okay, let's just hear your response to what some people are saying It's not important here Okay Some people are saying it's possible that they Your organization is just worried for your jobs Because they are comparing TCN or electricity or power The power sector to the communication sector And they said if it could work for the communication sector Where now everybody can buy a SIM card, buy a phone And be making calls Something that was reserved for the elite in those days Then it can work for electricity or power generally And whatever you are saying is just because you are afraid for your jobs Is that what it is? How would you respond to that? Thank you We know this has happened in the last 12, 13 years before private education When the union that are inside Inside that are telling Nigeria that Telecommunication and power industry are two different entities They are not the same You can prefer to use power upkeep in communication But in electricity Onion must touch iron before you have electricity Onion must touch iron You must connect wire to wire Before you can have electricity And in the respect of this There is a big difference between electricity and telecommunication Electricity is not a thing that we just said that We want to do it this way We want to have it that way If they are not part of it If they are sold distribution To a competent hand Who will be speaking top of what we are saying today If we have HL brand ABB there We have other companies We they can sell distribution companies too But they sold it to their friends and their colleagues And today they have not improved on anything And what we are having today in electricity industry is backward And ask these people how many stations have this built If you don't have it built in the sense of stations You cannot give life This is a basic issue How many have they built They have not built anyone Go and ask the electricity How many in the sense of stations have they built To improve the electricity No Ask the co-distribution No Ask the battle No Ask any one of them No You cannot be a banker And come into this industry And you believe We have the market Red made market in the care for electricity industry The red made market How do we improve on it How do we give people life Now we are having a band That is the reason CNN is having problems The distribution of band A Band B Band D Band C band D And they will tell you They will give band A 24 hours life That is the major city Where they know the digmonds are residing Go to the rural area Go to some area They don't have life Not that the light is not being provided by By CNN But they refuse To collect And when you refuse to collect If band wants to transfusion Transfusion will have what Have things And when there is problem You will have system collapse And that is the reason we are having system collapse And the network that transmission has today If distribution has it We are going to On light in Nigeria At least for 20 hours Out no problem But distribution fail The same thing we are doing If the privatized Transmission Because all what they will be out Therefore Is to make money We are making money in the electricity industry Where we are making the distribution company Making 90 billion era in a month Making 20 billion era in a month And you will still tell us that there is no money But wouldn't that Wouldn't that Wouldn't that If TCN gets privatized And they are making this money that you're talking about Wouldn't that be revenue for the country Isn't that a way for us to make money as well Let me tell you We can make small money We can make more than that If they do the need But the needful is not being taught But all what they are after is to make money So what is the needful to you To get full is to improve Is to improve in industrial solutions Put more transformers More transformers in all the In every locations And make sure that all the area That you did not have You see this is how it works If I generate If I generate 4,000 megawatts As transmission I have 4,000 megawatts And distribution did not ever wait for that 4,000 megawatts I cannot produce another one And I cannot keep the right I can't hold it That's the simple term I can't hold it I must give it out In the process that I'm all trying to hold it And we have system collapse That's why we are having multiple system collapse within a month Because the people supposed to evacuate Are not evacuating They are not giving the supply They are looking at the money they are going to make Without giving people supply You are making money without giving the supply I mean I was just going to ask that Because a few days ago I think it was It was on Monday That the national grid collapsed So if TCN is not privatized For instance If TCN This is our understanding If TCN is privatized And then they are generating all of this And then they are working with the The distribution companies and ensuring that People can have adequate electricity supply Wouldn't that be a good thing Because all of these transmission companies Are now generating even more than we require Yeah Yeah See what we expected the government to do Let the government talk to the stakeholder In the electricity industry Let them partner with the union We should be able to tell them we wait for work We know the way forward We will be advised And tell the government we wait for work But for someone to be down out there Just come and tell us we will be happy We will be happy That's on paper It doesn't work That's on paper It doesn't work It doesn't work Let them partner with the union We are partners in progress We'll be able to tell them Where the problem is Where we have the problem Let them see the gray area See where we need to work on See what we need to do See the area that we need improvement These are issues These are critical issues It's not an issue that you just see down somewhere We believe that if you privatize TCN If you privatize TCN today The same problem we are having In distribution companies With the same problem we are going to face Because they won't be controlled by the shop They will tell you You are the owner And if you are telling me that you are the owner Let me tell you my sister Governments have They have patent pages in distribution Who is the person representing the government? They should come up and tell us Who is representing the government? Nobody Nobody And the same thing we have put And sold to their friends Who are not technically inclined in this business? They are not I think that's what we're going to leave it here My advice would be If you're saying you can partner with the government And bring these reforms I think you should find a way to sit down with them Even if it means writing to them Sit down with them and show them these reforms And how it would work For the electricity companies in Nigeria Anyways, I want to thank you Comrade Ayo for joining us Thank you for coming to Shedlights On this topic Thank you so much Thank you Have to see you God bless you Thank you All right We've been speaking to Comrade Ayo Obisoya Lagos State Chairman National Union on Electricity Employees NUEE And we're talking about the privatization of TCN And NLC is saying it is quite dangerous Anyways, we hope that they do the right thing And ensure that everyone needs power We only power even just to feel good To turn on your aces and have like a chill drink There are critical things that the government must not Just leave in the hands of private sector Education, health, power But these are things that Yeah, housing These are things that the government Should pay close attention to And whatever they do They should monitor as well And make sure that it works Like he is complaining That if we sell it It will still be the same thing So the government should look into it And see what they can do about it Instead of just selling it out It's not everything we should sell We should sell Right Right Okay, I think that's where we wrap it up On the show today Thank you for staying with us We'll see you again tomorrow My name is Roman Paulsen My name is Nyangol Agadi Have a lovely one day to weekend See you tomorrow Bye