 Welcome church family to our Friday night moments with Pastor David and Marie and you know every week I look forward to seeing you guys I know you guys I don't see you really but you see us and so I enjoy this time together And we have Pastor David and Marie joining us with this as always this Friday evenings. How you guys doing? We're doing good. Good. Good. How how's the week been nice and quiet? It's good. It's been good, you know busy. Yes, we're always busy even in the midst of all that's going on We're always keeping busy. So I We're doing all right You're trying to see the we're seeing it even in like with the church attendance or seeing it It's kind of we can't put a thumb on her or you know like a regularity on it. It's just it's Ebb and flow it seems like you know, I think that people right now John are simply afraid They're afraid. They don't know what to do and they don't know what to believe And I can't help but believe and this is my personal belief, but I think it's correct that the That's part of what the enemy wants The enemy loves confusion Satan loves confusion. God is not the God of confusion But the enemy is he creates chaos and he uses fear and so I I see it as having spiritual components This this Sunday. I'll be sharing on the weapons of our warfare You know, they're not carnal but mighty and God to the pulling down a strongholds casting down Imaginations and every I think that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bring it into captivity Every thought to the obedience of Christ and that's what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 10 and I believe that there is a a strategy of diversion and confusion and includes the things we see of violence and fears of disease and the church has a tendency of going with whatever the world says not to say that there is no wisdom in Taking care of your health, of course there is and and all of that It's just that I think sometimes because there's so much so many voices that are shouting for attention and a lot of the believers don't know their Bibles very well, they're not reading them many are not really Not to the degree that at this time probably would demand that they do and In the lack of fellowship the avoiding of fellowship and all the other things I think what we're seeing right now In the church is really a critical moment that not everybody in the church is aware of from rising up to That causes me great concern, but it also reveals to me the the task at hand and also You know the necessity of prayer Because quite a number of people seem to forget that prayer is one of our cardinal weapons and spiritual war And so I would think that some need to remember the power of God the God who answers prayer So what are we seeing right now? We're seeing a flux Fluctuation people are coming some aren't come they come one time. They don't want to come again because of fear sometimes and and I think we're also seeing People's in general Where they're where their faith really is where where the commitments really are And so I don't expect members every member of the church to be here They never were anyway except on Easter. They have their schedules and and I respect the fact that some have to work on Sunday Some can't come on a Wednesday, you know We can't be as committed to everything as we'd like to be and many people would like to be more committed but they can't and I love them for that and God bless them and Those who would be here but can't you know our heart and our love and our prayers are with them But those who who are not coming simply because they're Dealing with whatever, you know, I really pray for them to that the Lord will will strengthen them and make them Make them value the things that perhaps they can value if they took the time to But I especially thank the Lord for the online presence that we do have because I didn't go online so that So that I'd have thousands and thousands of viewers The only reason we went online is to try and minister to our church And so I'm grateful that we have people on Friday who are choosing to watch our broadcast You know and getting to know Marie and me in a different level a more personal level. I like that and so You know, we're we're in that season, you know, but It's you've got to keep our eyes on the Lord and I want to keep looking up, you know, because my redemption does draw an eye And it's drawn near and near We're getting every day closer and closer to that I wake up in the morning I was like, okay Lord, we're one day closer to seeing you, you know, one more day when we're one more day closer You know, I've been blessed Disgusting different topics of marriage with you guys with both of you guys and We've been discussing at great lengths the different challenges that marriages are facing Especially in the Christian marriage We've discussed the dangers in the Christian marriage of neglecting one or the other not respecting not loving one another And and the husband and wife not giving to one another the things that are needed spiritually especially in the Christian marriage, we've looked at that we've discussed the pitfalls that we discussed last week the three different areas it was money pride and and Women right or intimacy intimacy. Yes, and how those are Can destroy a marriage and then we also looked at how do you know when a marriage is in danger? We looked at those in great length. So I want to switch directions a little bit and and want to hear more From you both about the blessings in your marriage, you know what? I thought that was interesting is one of the guys was sharing with me that You had shared something I don't know what it was specifically that you both did and they were like wow We we never knew that about Pastor David and Marie early on stuff, you know And and I think they really appreciated that and we're able to learn things about you guys And so this evening I'd like to ask some questions that are centered on that And I would like first to ask if you both can share about the blessings That have come your way because of your marriage to one another I do have any Well, first of all And I met my husband. I I don't know if I would have been saved That's a huge bless so that in itself. I just happened to be asked to go to a Bible study And I showed up and he was that's when and he began to teach the Bible study for his brother and And He gave me an invitation to go and I thought why not? Oh, I have nothing else to do. Why not and And I I went and I I I heard the gospel that that day and So I wouldn't be sitting here Would you ever thought Marie that going to that Bible study you're gonna meet your husband? No, because I was I was really a devout Catholic I mean to the core. I went to church. I went to come me. I Went to confession and I always told the same sins over and over again to the priest And we had to have Tom, you know, it was just so predictable Just going into confession and all that for me. So it was a routine exactly. It was the routine and I I was empty. I was empty and I and it was the Lord that drew me Because I would normally would have said no, I'm not I I'm a Catholic. I'm not gonna. I'm sorry, but I I Don't want to go to a Bible study, but but for whatever I really believe the Spirit of God just drew me there That evening That's the big blessing that's come well and it became it that evening it began to change my life. I Really heard God's word the Bible we started becoming real Because I never read a Bible. We had a Bible, but but we never read it. It was a big Bible It's one of those big But I never read it so What a blessing Pastor what about for you? Maybe it's even like more of a takeaway of some of the blessings that you've had Being married to Marie that you've seen in your life that can even be counted maybe even tangible in some ways I would say that the iron sharpens iron scripture is very Real with Marie and me Because being of such different backgrounds in terms of our way. We were raised in environment and temperaments Marie has served to be a person that rubs off the the rough edges of my life and has Over the years had the influence on me to to awaken a kindness in me that I always wanted but never really had and She's awakened in me a desire to be not just a a good Christian, but but a good leader There are a variety of things that that you learn from your wife that That idea of scripture that says that to become one. Well, Marie has filled up those gaps in me that that were surely Needing to be filled. I've done the same for her. I would think I've helped her become stronger in some areas and all and And she's made me Through through our marriage want to be on honorable person She's encouraged me to be a hard worker And she's blessed us with children and those children have helped me on a personal level to to learn to express love to others beyond my wife and And all the lessons you learn from raising children So, yeah, the word of the Lord speaks concerning the fact that there are gaps in our life and That we do become that one flesh and And we we do learn from one another and we do encourage one another and So I would say that I know this for a fact in every human being Everybody who's married can say the same thing. I would not be the person I am right now If it were not for the person I'm married to And that's obvious. I mean had I married somebody other than Marie I would have adjusted to her the way she is how she thinks how she feels what she does I wouldn't be the same person. I am right now. I would be a different man Perhaps a woman I might have married could have been a stronger will woman So I'd have had a different way of leading and all so I'm very very grateful for the person God gave me because in in relationship with her I've become the person I want to be and I wouldn't want to be any other kind of person other than I am because of her influence and So, yeah From the day I met her from I can remember the day she walked in I can remember my first impression of her as she walked past me from the door and sat down and and Bits of the conversation she had with her roommate and a phone call that came in and hearing her On that phone speaking to a man who wanted to ask her on a date And her not coming the next Monday because she went out with this guy And then she came back to the Bible study the week after and never left. I've never she has been with me That way since the second week of meeting her. Yeah, so we haven't been apart For all those years John we became romantically interested in one another later But we haven't been apart from one another since then since November Of 1974 it was truly a divine appointment It really was It really really was It really was I was in college. I could have gone different ways in my life I could have been way out there. Who knows? I don't know But it was a divine that that night was a divine appointment and I've been blessed with a man who who took me under his wing and and encouraged me and loved me and and read the word to me and and Has given me children And and in Christ Which is precious And um He's taught me a lot. You know, he is my mentor He has been my mentor all these years And I'm thankful thankful for him I love him No, thanks for saying it I haven't said it in years That's not true You know pastor you you both you said something interesting that caught my attention If you would have married anybody else And you use the example of being strong-willed Then your life more and likely would have been shaped around that, right? But to think that the lord knew that you would guys would be here going almost on your what? 49th year in ministry Next month for me. It's um And I said I started teaching in 1973. Okay, so ministry as a teacher 47 47 years So for for the 47 years that the lord knew that 47 years later in terms of ministry that you'd be both to be sitting here today That he knew and this is what blows my mind that he knew marise Her nature And her in her giftings in her character We're going to shape you into the shepherd for you to be To oversee this And that that that's amazing to think that that god used those qualities from you marie Because when you said that that made I think it. Wow If marie was strong-willed would would would there be a calvary chapel chino valley or would there be Any of the ministries that you had the bible study, you know that started off many years ago What would that would that have taken place? Maybe I would say no And I'll tell you why the only thing that brought me to chino was her Well, you know my my my brother was living in ontario and um I I was only concerned with the one the lord taught me something john Let me share something that might help in our conversation and that was um Jesus was one who was and this is what I've learned from From my studies and all and my ministry life. Jesus was interested In men and multitudes individual men and multitudes He would feed the five thousand, but he would seek out the one lost sheep He has ministry like that right and so for me Ministry was was never was never especially at the beginning about multitudes It was about individuals and so my brother frank got saved and He needed discipling And I lived in norwalk, which is a 40 minute drive or so From norwalk to where he was living in ontario at the time So it was for the one it wasn't for a church. It wasn't for even a girl It was for the one that I came I came for him so I could minister to my brother That's how I still am I think the one needs to be cared for I can't always do that God gave me more than the one So jesus cared for the one, but he cared for the multitudes So there are five thousand plus who need to be fed So he gave them the word he gave them a meal So I've seen that in ministry. I I am more attracted um on on the feeling level to the to the person in need and but I'm thrilled When god gives me the opportunity To speak to the larger group too so Jesus did both He would speak to the one You know to the matthew But then later on he'd speak to matthew's party He would speak to the one and the many and One is not better than the other Because I can as a pastor I learned this to john that I can influence one life Who can be an influencer of many Because as you you've been with me. I think you've seen this Uh, perhaps if not you've heard me speak of it Now I've been at pastor's conferences And and someone will approach me who is a pastor of a church And I get letters sometimes of this nature who will say Uh, you I've never met you personally, but I was in virginia And you gave a mens conference I got saved and now I pastor a church in colorado I've had more than one person say I have a church here or I have a church there It happens fairly often not all the time but fairly often and So you never know who you're reaching you never know, but if you reach one person That person can reach others And so I I am not caught up with the desire to Only speak to the multitudes because in fact all ministry is really to one person One person even if there's five thousand I want to speak to that one person and that's That's our ministry my wife's the same way We can speak to I can speak to numbers of people, but God gave me the ability to make it seem as if I'm only talking to that one person Because that's really what I'm thinking about frankly when I'm teaching it's It's the one person and so Marie and I together That's what we became so I I came to Ontario for one person or my brother But God had other things in mind And that's why this girl here came to a bible study that She wouldn't have been interested in I mean what she's saying is is absolutely The Marie I know and I met She only came because she was invited And nothing else to do and certainly wasn't impressed with me at all She wasn't impressed with me when she came to the study She came just because she was invited It was me who looked at her and knew this is going to be my bride. She didn't have that feeling She just came and met the bible study teacher who at that time was 24 years old You know just a kid just sitting there learning to To communicate and only there because my brother needed somebody To teach him But from there I met a girl from chino A place to me that was foreign because you know those who aren't californians won't won't understand this From a californian perspective But we we who are in LA county. We looked down on sabrina dino county We do we was kind of like po-do you know, it's like out there in the cow country I mean, why would I want to go out to the flying capital of the world? It well it was the largest. Yeah the capital of Darry's in the world So why would I come out here? I mean I have no interest in it. So the holy spirit used the hook of my brother to to help me to develop a Uh presence In this area And then the hook of a young lady whose family is Is entrenched in chino A little chino girl marie's only been out of chino in her whole life For about a year and a half Maybe two at the most when we moved to roland heights and then at my parents house And then we moved back to ontario And she's never really been out of this area that much That's right And I would never have thought of coming here. I mean the wages of sin is chino Before I come out of here, you know, but of course, I love this this area. I love the people here. I love this city and I'm very very entrenched here and I've been given opportunities in the last several years to consider at least the possibility Of leaving this church to pastor another place in other places to in particular come to mind And um It was marie's influence at first and initially Maybe rethink any offers that may come in the future because when I was an assisting pastor And I was told by the senior pastor that I don't have pastoral skills and that Uh That he was releasing me from being an assistant In that conversation I said to him. There's only one thing I do know and that is I'm called by god It's just not here And I resigned and I gave my two week notice and And I now without church and without a ministry And I told marie because I have a love for sound lucid gospel And marie doesn't have that much of a love of course. She doesn't it wasn't in Her background it was in mine that I developed an affection for this the city But I had a friend at that time who was working as a manager in a bread distribution company And I told marie I said I could speak to my friend And he may be able to get me a delivery job Where I can work in San Luis Obispo delivering bread And work in the corporate office there or whatever someday who knows And I'll never forget. I don't know if you remember or not, but I remember you said to me You know, you're not called to San Luis Obispo Marie said that she said honey, wherever you go we go But you are not called to San Luis Obispo Marie told me that and I remember looking at her saying I know we're not because she said you'd be running from something you need to stay where god wants you to be So her influence is Is that deep, you know, because she was right and and and all she needed to do is say what was right And I listened to her, you know, and and here we are now You know, we stuck it out But it was because my brother got saved and needed a bible study And it was because god had a little girl that he had in the city of chino The only thing that would have drawn me to this place at that time And and I grew to love her and I grew to love the city And so I've been very blessed to be able to minister here as long as I have That's amazing. Who who was it that invited you to the study? Was it frank? Yeah, my brother Frankie did. Oh, because you guys had they had worked together, right? Yeah, it's amazing to see all the moving parts that were going on at that time You come in from norwalk here. You're invited to a study Yeah, I work part-time there with a catholic background, you know, you you were just like you mentioned is just ritualistic And then look that's isn't it amazing, you know, john when you think about it I think of it like this And you can say this would live you can say the same thing. I say this with Marie. I say Just one second before I didn't know her just one second before the next next second I met her and my life was changed, but it was one second before I didn't know her I got in a car. I drove to Ontario. I got off the car. I climbed some stairs. I sat on a chair You know, I'm there with my brother. There's then a couple people come walking in here come Joanie your roommate comes walking in and then Frankie my brother had wanted me to meet Marie in the past He had mentioned her to me. He said that he really loved her. He said I wish you could meet Marie You know and he invited her So I don't think obviously he didn't realize How significant this desire he had for me to know this girl was Because he didn't he didn't know that one day she would be Her his uh sister-in-law He didn't know that that's right. He just said I wish you could meet Marie. He says I love her she's like Madeline she reminds you our sister Madeline and and Madeline and Marie hit it off Madeline brought her to faith in Christ So that's how that all worked out. Yeah Just one second just one second. You didn't know you didn't know her And then you did and for me and I've never been without her almost almost since then Madeline also kind of mentioned David to me In a cute little way He'd be a good catch David would be a good Even at that time did you think of anything when she had said that to you? Kind of He teased me he was he would tease and I and I teased him back, but I at first I didn't think anything of it to be quite I think she was attracted to that. I think she was attracted to me. I also know it all Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had my opinions and I was not afraid to tell you them And I think she kind of she'd give me that look like what who do you think you are? That's true She would do that. Who do you think you are and I'd say, you know And it just we just got along, you know, and she'd laugh at that because nobody nobody spoke to her like that I did, you know And it's so cool to think of it look back and to just to see this to hear this about I mean just the the dynamic of how the holy spirit just really brought you guys together through just and I don't want to say events that were just by chance but Events that were ordained by the holy spirit. That is just one thing and and look that's what fascinates me about this whole thing You know as we talk about the blessings that you have both described in your marriage for one another How has your relationship to one another complimented you both? You talked about filling in the gaps Oh, yeah, I think we kind of touched a bit on that I can speak obviously from my perspective But I'll I'll put words into your mouth and if you want to bounce on and talk Because marina, you know people may be noticing this at this time. I probably should mention it You know marina likes to let me talk He does He does I mean and people may think oh, he doesn't let her talk. No, it's the way we are together She just likes to let me talk and and I can sense when she wants to say something And so that's why I'll just I'll look in a direction and because I can sense that there may be something she wants to say so I would say with marie that my strength My strength of holding beliefs that are strong and being willing to to go to the mat form if necessary She admires that I would say that she she thinks that's something that as a man She also I would say that my faithfulness to her that that she knows that she never has had to Worry about another person coming between us. She never has even my children She knows that there's only one love for me and that's her And that has made her very very secure. I would say that very secure and when she needs someone to defend her You know that I'll be right there. You know, you don't have to worry about it yourself I'll take care of this if I have to she knows that too And she knows that I would I would work myself to the To their end to make sure she's happy Make sure she's careful. I think she knows that yes things of those natures that nature Of course every everything you said is so true Yes, I trust him with everything And our life has been wonderful. God gave us a wonderful life together and gave us children That uh, yeah, we put up with we love dearly Um, it's and grand babies and our wonderful grand babies many grand babies that that Our uh, uh, we're just so filled with joy and in that and uh and being with our family and seeing them as they grow How would you say that? Uh, how would you say One another has made you a better person We're talking about complimenting each other in terms of what you were mentioning faster and and you Marie What are some of the if you could please share some of the things that has made Each one of you a better person from the other Marie's kindness You know when I was first saved I was speaking to someone and I said to them If there's anything I want to become it's kind because Anybody who knew me in in my earlier days would know I wasn't a kind man Direct and unfeeling Direct and unfeeling Um In a way you wouldn't even you wouldn't recognize really. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you wouldn't recognize it the way Yes, the way that I was was very hard Very unfeeling never cried You know didn't show emotion You know just anger that the only thing I'd ever shown that I felt Comfortable with um, but never would show love didn't even know what that meant You know just was very angry Yeah And and I got saved and when I got saved I started saying To god make me kind make me kind Because it wasn't That's direct and mean And I met this girl here If there's a word that I use for her it's kind She's very kind So her kindness towards me her gentleness towards me It's something I admire something I want So that's that's been I think the If there's anything that marie has really influenced me in It's it's that because people will say that I have a soft heart But they didn't know me before They didn't know me before and had I met and married Someone more aggressive that was really much more who I who I am john Very competitive i'll give you an example if I mean um what I mean When I played sports and I played them for years played sports. I especially love baseball But I can still remember even as a little boy playing little league baseball I can still remember that my goal was to be on second base and if you were in my way You were going down All right, that's a fact and I still remember running To second and it was a force play on second And I jumped in the air probably about 12 feet from the base. I jumped in the air And with my knees I slammed into this kid's side And just knocked him Just knocked him over And he dropped the ball That was my goal And I heard the parents In the in the stands Getting upset at what I just done. I didn't have a clue why they were upset. Isn't the game supposed to be one Is an aggression in the on the base path? Isn't that something that you admire? I remember I made the last out in our last game in little league I I grounded out And it was it was it bounced over the over the middle went over the pitcher I still remember I was 12 years old and I was running to first and I was jogging To first I was the fastest runner in in our in little league, you know, I was I was I was very fast And I didn't even run it out because it was going into center field. I just hit the ball It's going it was going over the uh, the pitcher And I I didn't even run full speed, but the all-star second baseman danny Uh, uh young man named danny danny got it He was a good ball player spun and threw me out by half a step because I didn't hustle And I grabbed my helmet and slammed it on the ground And I put my hands on my head. I still remember doing that and I was crying so loudly and I was so angry That the coach had to come and actually take me off of the field and put me inside the the dugout to comfort me Extremely aggressive extremely competitive You don't know me that way. That's what I was like And my mother said you're just a horrible sport. You're a horrible sport and it would make me upset Because isn't isn't isn't the game supposed to be won Aren't you supposed to play as hard as you can and do anything you can to win? That's how I thought And so when I got saved and went into ministry God had to kill those things in me that ambition to try and have the biggest church to try and be the best known To try and be the most whatever he had to kill those things in me And the way he did it part of it Is he gave me a good woman a good woman who didn't need me to be a bunch of aggressive weird mean She needed a kind man And that's what god has done over all these years john That that that's the man you see now Is a person who says, you know what the Lord's in control. Let's see what he wants to do Let's see what he wants to do but as for me I'm not going to yield to that competitive because it was there and it was very strong Every once in a while you see it rise up and I'll be thinking And I might even say something I don't Because it it takes a long time for some things to die But if I were to say that anything in me that has changed at all for the good It's been it's been marie's kindness has taught me to be gentle with people To be understanding to listen To care, you know, those things that's what she's all about I mean, that's what makes her love me. She she does that to me You know what I'm saying? She's kind to me. She loves me. She puts up with me And it shows me what kindness really is I would have never known that pastor But I don't see him that in the way he sees himself. I'm not that way now No, no, I mean saw himself, you know, yeah, no, no, but I even even Even when we were first together, I I didn't see that you you always had a care for people Wanting to know Jesus you you always wanted more people to know and and the Lord put you in ministry and And it's just been a blessing. You've been a wonderful pastor to the sheep And um, but you've always been caring Don't beat yourself up What would you guys say and and I know there's a lot of it would be hard to pinpoint just one thing on this But if you can please share some of the things that you love Most about your marriage, I I think we've become one I It takes a while for a couple to become one. I think and I think we're there. I think we enjoy each other A lot of all the time I I enjoy just I can sit next to him on the couch and we're fine You know, we're really content and and I and I look back on the years and And they've been good years You go by fast too fast too fast too fast You're blinking. Yeah, but but yeah, I I feel so safe when we're together when we're Yeah, there's just yeah you know we um God has been gracious to us in so many ways john I mean Marie and I will talk on occasion when in the early days early days of our marriage for us, um You know, I didn't have a car that I trusted in terms of its uh Mechanicals and and I didn't have money It wasn't that we were poor poor poor. We didn't have extra funds We didn't have discretionary funds that we could say oh, let's go up for dinner We just didn't have that we didn't have money for vacations and stuff. I actually really did We had to work towards having even enough money for an overnight thing and when we had more children And that that threw vacations out the door. There's really no way that that we could do that So we learned how to enjoy each other just in the other simple things different things, you know That that really I I would say revolved around just us together and so You know, uh, when we could maybe we would go Some place in maybe a date or something when we could A lot of times it was just us, you know, maybe Spent time with the kids somewhere go to a park or go visit family. You know Well, over time the lord blessed me financially. I started being able to breathe better Now I have discretionary funds that I can use for something different And and also being in the ministry God opened doors for me to go places and do things and as the church grew and as my ministry expanded We were given opportunities to to visit other places We went to israel the very first time we went to israel is 1983 And it cost at that time a thousand fifty dollars to go for ten days Pastor chuck invited us to go with him and some of the other pastors and And so I remember john My daughter ana would have been what mommy about three three minutes I can tell you she was three months And so I could remember being in a In a wednesday night bible study and I just was sitting there speaking as I am to you right now I used to have a handful of people that came to a bible study maybe 30 people And I was sitting there and and I just was speaking I said oh by the way I was given an opportunity to go to israel And I told this small group of people in our church. I said I've been given an opportunity to go to israel And then I got quiet for a moment and it was a sincere just quiet And I said, you know, I feel that goddess Wants me to go to learn about this beautiful land I said, but you know, I've I've never been away from Marie the only time I was ever away from her Was when she was giving birth to our babies. It's the only time I've been away from her I said and that's been like one two days or something. I used to be in away from her I said, uh, that's gonna be hard And I said it like that. What was it about two weeks or so later? Yes Was it david signs who did this one of the people they came up to me They handed me an envelope They handed me an envelope and they said to me pastor We took an offering in that little bible study We're paying for marie to go and we're giving you 200 dollars of spending money When you go for the first time And we took my baby ana who was three months old for her first time who went to israel And so we've seen israel and then we then the church continued to grow and And I've I've been able to take marie to england and to germany and to austria and to spain To egypt and So many can south america, you know, mexico, you know various states So we've had, you know, france. We've we've been together in ministry Throughout many parts of the world japan and And yet with all of that If you asked us when are we the happiest? Oh, the the answer is when we're together You know, wherever that may be whether it would be And in some foreign country, which we've been privileged So much to do Or whether it's sitting on our couch at home drinking our coffee in the morning and fighting over the last suite She will eat she will eat and then I have to I did it yesterday She will look at and she'll say you're really not going to eat this And I'll look at She thinks she thinks No, no, no, we're not talking about those two. We're talking about that That strawberry that that uh, cheese stick cheesecake. Oh cheesecake. Yes. Oh, yes It is half of it So she ate half of it And then she saved half of it because I said that is mine And she says, okay, I'm not going to eat it the next day. She's looking at it. Are you going to eat this? I know what she's saying. So I said, oh, I don't even really want that honey. You can have it. Are you sure? I wanted it. Of course I did. It's good but Being the wonderful man Oh, he sacrificed sacrifice laying down your life right there. Oh My calories But she loves it, but I'm telling you and that's the silly part of who we are we um We don't need a lot of things that people today think they need We need each other And wherever she is home is wherever she is I'm content That's a fact My kids know that they think we're just two little old people sitting on a couch But they don't know that we've got many years of life together That has culminated And it's just sitting together together on a couch. They don't understand that it's it's some old movie I told you about john john the mexican couple and And he's had a rough life. I never even saw the movie. I only saw the end I just happened to turn the channel to the very end and because the scene looked like my grandmother's house It was a home in la but it looked like my grandmother's house where he's I looked at it and I said I've been there It looked like my grandmother's house. And so I thought oh, and there's these two Mexicans and well naturally, you know, I'm I'm drawn to to my own culture in many ways and I see that and I go And he starts talking. He says he says in Spanish. He says Can I have some coffee? And that was my dad and my mom all of a sudden I'm seeing my dad and my mom Cofesito, you know and and mama wouldn't Spanish would say here's your coffee. I saw that I that's how I grew up And so I'm just culturally drawn into that emotional moment But I told maria about this. He wasn't in the room but I told her because He'd gone through a lot of bad in his life a lot of pain And she sits down and they have a cup of coffee together, which is us and which is my parents And he says we've had a good life And she says yeah, honey. We've had a good life and I That's me. That's my dad But that's us We've had a good life. We sit with our coffee and we look at each other It's your coffee. See the problem And I say, yeah It's us John. So when you have that Israel's just A cherry on top of that, right and thank god for it. I've been what 27 27 visits to israel Into india. I've been I've been around the world But I am home when I'm with her And that's what god said, right the two shall become one You know where you live, I will live your people will be my people your god shall be my god. That's us That's us. We understand that that's us And I think that's god's design for marriage For us at the very end as they're going a little old and a little more feeble and And counting each step as we walk down to make sure we're not rolling down Helping each other to walk and That's what it's all about I saw a picture of an old couple who were they're about to both go home to die But they're they were isolated in a room and old old couple 90 something But they had their hands reached out across the room holding hands this old couple, you know, and I termed me. I said that's us That that would be us my children know that that if daddy is going home mama's going to be sitting right next to him They know that same with me. They know that and mama has to stay there And that he's going to stay there too because that's us And that's yeah, I don't know a better life than that. I don't Uh, that's so heartfelt but and amazing too Uh, may I ask you guys just some random questions as we kind of wrap things up? Okay Just a couple few random questions. So where would your favorite place? What is your favorite place to spend time? I mean, I know you've probably answered it already But what would be your favorite place to spend time together? That's that's a difficult one It really is Where do you like to be mama? It depends on the season If it's if it's cold that we may want to be in one place if it's a warm Other place we've been a lot of places john. Yeah, that's hard. But if you said Where would you like to be right now? I don't we've we have liked we have liked new york in the winter We've liked new york in december in the winter. We put on warm jackets and go to coffee shops and And go and need italian and unbelievably good italian. So we love new york in the winter Um, hawaii has been sweet to go on vacations where we can kind of rest and take a walk We take a with a couple mile walk in the morning and go on a walkway to a coffee shop that That she and I know about at a at a hotel and we'll sit there and have a sweet and Drink coffee and just visit about our children. It's usually our kids that we talk about You know, so I would say hawaii. We love israel. We're you know, we'll go to israel And now we can go to tacos louis Yes And We love to go to israel together. Um, so i'm usabispo On occasion, we'll go with our friends randy and jenette walls and spend two days three days there and just relax and Go to coffee shops and just spend time with our friends We like that. I'd like to go to javiers marine. I'd like a place called javiers in uh, is it krono mama krono domar? Yes It's a mexican restaurant that it's become special to us. We've celebrated anniversaries there. We've taken our children there I like javiers. It's it's got exceptionally good mexican food. So I like to do that What are the things mom? I think you hit it One of what you mentioned is staying home. It's just sitting on the couch. Yeah, we got to get out every once in a while You know, but when we're out it's you it'll be like that, you know Yeah, for us too john this may Be interesting to you. Maybe not. I love being with my girl, but we're very social So we like to go with our friends places You know, so you know just this last monday marie had a meeting in orange county and with jenette walls And so randy and I met him and uh went to To eat, uh, italian and uh Marginos. Oh, yeah So we you know, so we like to be with our friends Like to hang around with our friends and and I'll we will do that um You know, our life is very orderly I I I haven't had uh, this could sound weird, but it's true. I haven't had a vacation A real vacation in so many years. I don't even know I don't even know the last time I had a vacation it's been that many years Because every time I go someplace it's diminished And if I find a few A day or two That that marie and I can be together that it's not ministry oriented. That's very unusual And so that's that's something I'm thinking we need to start doing Together, I mean I used to have men's retreats Every year on our anniversary week though Every year because that's when we could get the place that we needed to go to and um I you know for years for years. We didn't celebrate anniversaries because of that And and you name it you name the holidays that people are used to having The christmas holidays the easter holidays you can name any of them. We work We're always been working. I've always done what god called me to do And and it's no complaint. It's it's really this who we are. It's no complaint. It's just a fact So I'm thinking now, uh, it may be time for me To try and carve out some time for us To really vacation Maybe we will Okay, here's uh, and we'll wrap it up with this question here So do you guys have favorite song or songs that are you guys? Yes Can you name a few? Unchained melody. Unchained melody is the song that's going to be right at my funeral Righteous brothers I was in a I was I had a mint. Um memory memory loss Yes, and it was it was real bad And they put me in a cat scan. What is that what it's called that machine? Yes I can't remember He could no you can't you could remember they put you in a tube They put me in a tube a cat scan And they didn't know what was wrong with me and I I was in this tube and they said we're gonna play music for you and The music is supposed to you know soothe you. So what do you want to hear? We've got this array of that I said 60s music, you know 60s music would be fine They said okay, so I'm laying there in a cat scan and I'm still not recovered from my memory loss. I'm I'm just They could it could be very severe. I went into And into amnesia. I mean I had total total loss of memory The only person I knew was Marie the only person I would know around me was her You know and she had to come more than once take me by the arm to to To try and help me recover and I was hospitalized and all kinds of things with this And I'm I'm good now because The lord was gracious to be able to help to prescribe the kind of medication that actually has helped me I haven't lost my memory in many years now, but This one time was it was new And they put me in the tube and they played 60s music and they played unchanged melody I got so emotion Hearing that song That they had to pull me out of the tube and the woman said to me She said because they talked to you she said we have to pull you out of the tube. Mr. Rosales because There's something disturbing you very badly. What was the song? That's our song And I have I have a whole catalog of songs that that that I will say this reminds me I've got thousands of songs that are my musical background And you know this about me. I'll tell you that song this song because my whole life is a musical catalog But these songs that if you ask me what is our song is Unchained melody and The second one is you needed me Because that's her she needed me So those are our song I'm not choked up or anything right now you guys Do you guys have easy to I know Even just the other day we're talking right we were just sharing something just when I said you're fired. You cried. I cried They come You know pastor Do you and marie have a life verse Centers around your marriage a life verse that you have for her I have a life verse that applies to her And people won't understand this one once I say it But it is my life verse that I applied all of my life, which includes Um being a good man for my wife and it's I can do all things through christians That is my life verse And it works in our marriage You guys this has been a great time, uh and I want to thank you guys for Transparency that you shared a little more open, huh? Yeah And I I'm I'm thinking that people are going to enjoy this. This was a good Watch right you guys got to watch And so thank you guys and we'll always close pastor and marie with A word that you'd like to speak To the church anything you'd like to say before we close We love we love our church. We love our people very very much very committed to our people and um Trying to make decisions about this this covet trying to make decisions that taken to consideration What is best for our for our fellowship? I miss I miss them a lot I really you know this I miss them a lot. I I miss Being able to even just look at them you know and That's kind of that's my love language You know is to be able to just go out and see somebody Because I don't have to talk to someone to love them You know I'm that way You know all I have to do is see my children just see them And I feel good don't even have to talk to them And so when I look out and see the church it makes me feel at peace So I miss my church and I miss my people that that at one time Called me pastor. I miss them I especially miss them right now with this This covet and and all of that so I want I I want uh, I want to see them again, and I hope that we're able to soon And um, I hope they remember us because we remember them And so that would be my my word Thank you church Thank you pastor david and marie. Thank you for tuning in and we look forward to seeing you guys soon. God bless you