 Boom! What up, fam? Anthony Johnson here today, host of the Redman Group co-founder of the Redman Group, founder of 21 Studios 21 convention, 22 convention, 21 University. We're sponsored today by 21university.com. Go there, check it out, or visit on the App Store. Search 21 University on Android or Apple. You'll find it free app. There you go. Boom. Appreciate it. Now, today's episode of the Redman Group special episode, episode 139, titled The State of the Red Pill. And I have a returning guest of me on the show today, DDJ, Doomsday Jesus from Miss Andrea today. He's been on Redman Group many times, as well as special guests to the show, New, Undead Chronic, and his buddy, Ribby the Party Frog. Excuse me. So without further ado, welcome today's guest to the show, DDJ, Ribby the Party Frog, and Undead Chronic. Welcome, boys. What is up? Happy Friday, boys. Yeah, happy Friday. I appreciate you guys coming on to the end, short notice. We set this up last night, and I think it's been a really great show. Very excited. Yeah, I'm just excited to have an official manosphere, whatever, where someone, the host, had to say, Ribby the Party Frog. See, now that's in history, Ribby. You're being written down right now. It's beautiful. We're all East Leb cancer. So guys, my audience at 21 Studios and the Redman Group, they're familiar with DDJ because he's been on here a bunch of times. But for Undead Chronic and Ribby the Party Frog, what's your guys' experience with the manosphere and when did you find it and YouTube as well? I know Undead Chronic, you've had a bunch of YouTube channels, pretty popular. So if you don't mind going first, what's your background? Yeah, I'll go pretty quick. So this is Undead Chronic 14. It's for the 14. Scrotum Slaps. Susan has given me. They're very painful. They're not very fun, but it's all right. I guess I started off, yeah, I guess I'd say like a midtown red pill kind of content creator. I feel like a lot of dudes will start off like that. But I kind of focus on more of what I enjoy doing, which is roasting. So, you know, the basic response videos and I kind of see the videos I did early on. It's like providing a comedic relief valve for all the people sick of feminism, social justice wars. I got a pretty mixed crowd because if you make fun of feminists, you'll get pretty much lots of dudes agreeing with you that aren't necessarily conservative or red pill or midtown. You know, it's quite the large kind of sphere. So yeah, we did that. The roasts were pretty spicy early on. But, you know, the censorship increased. Couldn't do as many spicy roasts. But we changed it more to just a general, you know, comedic channel. We'll do a lot of Reddit, a lot of culture Reddit responses, you know, like Reddit post number 3008. I found three dudes inside my wife and I'm thinking about making her go to marriage therapy with me. What should I do? You know, it's just like such ridiculous cockatree. You can't help but laugh at it. So I got really the party frog on. You're expanding the war band is the brand that I'm doing. And yeah, we got my boy ready joining the join the crew. And he's, you know, he's his own thing. He'll do responses to but we both disagree on some things. But it's trying to think what the unifying thing is behind the war band. Really, it's just making fun of cucks and feminists, simps and, you know, the usual. I dig it. I love it. Yeah, dude, I was a fan of chronic for a couple of years following his multiple channels and kind of a similar vein. We're both kind of the gym rats, the party guys in college and just red pilled through our teenage years in early 20s. And yeah, dude, I was a fan of his content and I went in. We kind of joined forces and started making it together. So he got me and another guy Taylor. We've been pretty new the last early 2021 getting to the game, but been a lot of fun. You know, so when did you both find the manager? Like, how long ago was that 10 years ago, five years ago? I guess it really depends on like what you, you know, as a man of fear on YouTube is a man of fear like anybody who's anti feminist. Because, you know, we got like the MRA guys who are coming together to try to make legal changes. And you have like big towel dudes who are just like, ah, man, fuck all that shit. And then you have, you know, a lot of people who won't claim men's rights, but they'll still kind of be anti feminist. But I'll say from my experience, man, it's probably on YouTube. I'm trying to think of the years, probably like five or six years ago. I heard some, it was actually Terrence Pop, heard some Terrence Pop, heard some Raging Golden Eagle and some Sandman. I think once you like watch one of those videos and you have, if you stay for a longer one, which for me, like going to the gym, I go lift and then just play a podcast or whatever. You know, the YouTube algorithm back in the day probably really rewarded that. So now they're just, you know, they would send you anybody related to that. Oh, it's interesting story. You know, I get people telling me I was there, you know, introduction to the red pill, the Mansphere, whatever it is. You don't always agree with the first content creator you, you know, you hear, but it's almost like there's a, there's something that pulls them in, right? So I try to use my comedy because I was, almost anybody can laugh at a fat woman, even fat woman laugh at fat woman. You got me? Dude, there's two good. I know. We got Terrence Pop in the middle here and some fat women. I'm so sad. I know, right? No. So maybe you actually did that picture. I thought it was great. Yeah. That's the famous, the cock walk. And when I watched that video, the actual announcement, I held like a gut punch because I was still kind of on good terms with a CGA. I don't really talk to him much or in Terrence Pop. Cause I've streamed to them both before and I saw them walking down this. And I was like, Oh no, is this going to be like the, the infamous, you know, like pickup line, which is basically all these dudes that were in this video are going to be destroyed by the association. I just kind of feel it's almost like a spiritual feeling. I like here is this is the beginning of their, their journey to cockatry. It's like these first steps. And it's so cringe. It was so cruel. Like, oh my, I'm not, I think I roasted you a little bit dream Johnson. I honestly don't remember. I think it was about John Summers or something like that. Speed. Yeah. It's probably about your summit. I'll tell you what though. It's like friendly fire. It's like you're roasting everybody. But the fact that you were down to what I didn't say you ready, I said he was able to take a roast and not stay asked about it. And I think, I think you might be like the first or second person to do that. So mad props to you for taking a roast. But I will also say, I think the video is roasting of you. Like 10 minutes in, it would turn into like a bullcuck mindset video. And I just can't hold. I can't hold. I can't help myself on that dude. So. He dropped that name in one of his videos. He's like, yeah, you go ahead. Call me bullcuck mindset. It's funny, dude. He's speaking of the CME thing too. He missed the trailer filming, I guess, but he's definitely confirmed for that. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Like I've said before, you know, I'm not. I'm going to address my relationship with John and their future in my documentary part two about the sharp mama. But in the meantime, in the meantime, John Thomas is a grown man. His father. He can take care of himself to find himself. Oh, he has kids. Yeah. He's been on the mixtape dictionary channel talking about. He has a child, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But we're not sure if they're his. Well, I'm just going to say. Got to get that paternity test. I'll say this though. Whatever the situation is with John and his personal life, he doesn't weaponize it like Donovan does to make money. Yeah, he's not lying. He's not lying about, you know, getting with nines and tens. That's the thing. I see bullcuck mindset. I felt kind of bad roasting him so hard the first time because like, I can just tell by his eyes that he was like one of those guys that got roasted for like a list or whatever going up. And he, you know, he's been, he's done the gym work. The dude's not fat. The dude's not like a skinny shit. But like it's almost, you know, they say that people who get bullied put off signals to attract bullies, you know what I mean? And yeah, you could call chronic a bully. But all I'm saying is like after the first roast, he reacted in such a way that just was begging to continue to get roasted. Am I wrong, Ruby? Oh yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing, like at the end of the day, the Duke could just ignore me and his problems go away. You know, he could just not say bullcuck mindset and, you know, he could just ignore me and his problems go away. Yeah. So let's get DDJ on this. DDJ, let's actually pull up your video on this. All right. I do want to get into more of undead videos before we do. We've been going with them now for a while. So here we got this pulled up. So first of all, I think this has really opened up the conversation for all of us, but DDJ, you're the first person I heard about a year and a half ago, you said something called the red pill blind spot. And that really comes to mind when I think about guys like Sharp Mama, Donovan Sharp did a video on him here actually revealing the true nature of what he's been doing in his life. I'm going to get this fucking out of the way. But talk to me about the red pill blind spot. I don't think you have a dedicated video on it, but you talked about it quite a bit. Well, I was considering the red pill blind spot as an issue. And again, pardon me. I'm eating. So if I burn the microphone. Sorry, I'm lapping in the picture. Oh my God. All right. Oh, this jubby. Yeah. So here's the thing. The red pill blind spot was something that I kind of discovered or kind of started thinking about, about six months into doing the TFM show with TFM. And this probably would have been right around the time I started my channel. So about October, 2017. And I didn't really think about it too much. But the reason that I considered it is because I noticed that there were a lot of people making a lot of arguments that just didn't, like they were missing information, right? They were missing obvious information. And so like what they would do is they'd take a statement and they would make it out of context. And then they would go, oh, well, you know, that's just the way it is. Well, look, you know, I, I was raised pretty rough and I was, I learned early on not to trust authority. And I also learned early on somebody who says that's just the way it is. Usually that's a cop out or it's an excuse. And, you know, in working in the legal field, it's the same thing with attorneys. So like if you go to an attorney and you say, bro, here's what I want to do. This is the legal thing I want to do. And they say, okay, well, no, you can't do that. And then my next question is, why? What in the law says I can't do that? Or what in the law has, has said that this isn't possible? Well, we've just never done it before. Okay. So it's a case of first impressions. It's not that I can't do it. It's that you're afraid to bring the argument forward. Well, when you take it from that context and you look at it in those terms, you look at the red pill, you look at the manuscript, for example. So like one of the common things, I'm working on a video right now about this in part, you know, the common phrase you hear is, oh, you know, such and such is one low job away from the plantation. Okay. And this is usually talking about people within the MGTOW community. So this is kind of like a, a MGTOW focused sort of conversation at this stage. But the problem is that there are prominent MGTOW in the community, myself included, that have and do date women, not cohabitate, not get married, but we have and do date women. None of those guys are one below job away from the plantation. And we're talking about people like, like Barbara, human, you know, many of the people who've been around a long time, a lot of those people, they, again, you know, they're not one blow job away from the plantation. So I started to look at different things people were saying and different concepts people were putting forward. And I said, look, we have a blind spot. So we always talk about the gynocentric blind spot, you know, where the guy is such a simpary, such a cuck, that this woman will run rough shot over him. And, and the guy will be like, oh, you know, I guess that's just how it is, you know, I guess she'll just peg me again. It'll be fine. It's like, no, fuck off. So the idea here with the red pill blind spot is is that what I saw is I saw a lot of people who they said, oh, yeah, I'm an independent thinker. Or, you know, I can critically think for myself. But then they weren't, they were just, they were just doing hashtag me too. Yeah, that's what he said. And you saw this. So like a year and a half, two years, three years ago, I was seeing different MGTOW disagreeing with each other. And I was watching their fans battle one another. Right. Now some of that stuff was astroturf from the outside. But there was a lot of it happening on the inside because everybody was trying to, at least at that time, a lot of these people were trying to own the quote unquote MGTOW brand. And so you would see these people step forward and they're like, oh, no, MGTOW is this or MGTOW is not, but there would be no rational reason behind it. So it would be like a personal attack or an ad-hom attack or an opinion that had no basis in facts or no basis in science or no basis in even the philosophy. Right. So the red pill blind spot is this idea that we have to look at each other with the same level of critical thinking that we look at feminists or that we look at communists or that we look at grifters or we look at people who want to try to take advantage of the men in the community. Even just women is what comes to mind, man. Absolutely women. In the Manusphere, we talk all the time about watch what she does, ignore what she says, watch what she does, ignore what she says, watch her actions. But guys don't fucking do this with each other, especially in the Manusphere and the red pill and stuff. Right. Well, but that's because you don't even fucking pay attention. Right. But that's because everybody pretends that they're all alphas. Right. And really, most of us, let's be real, most of us aren't. You know, most of us are just average guys who take care of ourselves. We shower every day. We work out. We have jobs. We have lives. Maybe we have some kids or, you know, whatever the program is. We have a life. Right. Hey, you're more beta than the fish I can buy for $2 at Walmart, bro. Oh, yeah. Dude, you're more beta than those night of living dead zombies. There you go. Don't they only go on. Go on. No, no, you're good. I just figured I'd give you guys your interjection. So my point is, is that now all of a sudden, you know, you fast forward to 2021. So like, I took a couple of years off. I only made a few videos primarily because I had to stack some some duckets so that I can buy a house of the one payment plan, which I did, you know, six months ago. But when I came back, I kind of looked around a little bit before I made a return video. And I started seeing that a lot of the stuff that was common knowledge when I first arrived in the Manusphere, you know, in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, that stuff wasn't common knowledge anymore. And everybody's like, you know, oh my gosh, listen, I'll give you the, you know, the elixir of life just, you know, buy my dating course. Right. And you know, for the low, low price of $1,500 for a dating course, it's an online webinar. Right. So it's one of those scenarios where you're like, well, shit, do I get dinner in a restaurant first? Reach around anything, you know? And that I started seeing like a lot of these people who were like, especially more prominent voices, not just in the Migtail community, but in some of these other communities who are misrepresenting what they were. And one of the things that I've respected and appreciated about you, Anthony, is that there's no confusion about who you are. There's no, there's no misrepresentation. There's no dishonesty as far as what the 21 convention is. There's no dishonesty about what the purpose of your channel is or what the purpose of the red man group is or was. And, you know, there's not this idea. You get these people and they, they, they turn into these, these victim blaming or, you know, they become victims themselves. Oh, YouTube demonetized me or blah blah blah. Give me more money and e-bagging and bullshit like that. And don't get me wrong. I think it's completely appropriate that people, you know, get compensated for the work they do if, if their viewers find it a value. You're never going to hear me complain about that or say something about that. But the guys who constantly e-bag everything and, you know, Staphon Mullinio, I'm looking at you. You know, it's that type of thing where it's, you know, before the video, during the video three times, after the video, and then, you know, everywhere else. And again, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the point. I'll start and interrupt. We're going to say it becomes more like for me and chronic, we're a little spicier. YouTube shadow bans us like unsubs or subscribers, whatever takes us down. Not looking to make a lot of modernization of money. Like we have other full-time jobs. This is our kind of in-between hustle where we have fun with it. We do it because we want to get the message across. But I 100% agree. I think CGA, what was it? Coach Greg Adams, chronic, right? He'd be like, if I'm getting enough likes and donations on the stream, I'm going to shut it down. Yeah. It's like, dude, you're acting like a chick now. Yeah. You're going to validation points and likes. Like you're here to get the message across. Yeah. Let me address that real quick. So I like to refer to that as the free anus lifestyle. And what I mean by that is, is that if you don't have enough anus, you're going to leave. And, you know, or it's like that. You remember South Park? You know, you see Cartman. He's like, God damn it. I'm taking my toys and going home. Who wants to fucking touch me? Right? Well, hang on. Hang on a second. I'm pulling up this video because I think this is a video that specifically does exactly what Ruby was talking about. Oh no. For the first time ever, I've seen Coach Greg shame and guilt men into what you're liking, subscribing and giving money. Like it's bizarre. Here's my assessment on a lot of these dudes. Dude, do you want to guilt man and shame them into not giving you money? You've become a woman. Congratulations. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think a lot of I think a lot. Go ahead. I was going to say, I think a lot of times. I think Coach Greg got on. So when he started his channel, I think he was actually just trying to do the coaching stuff. And then he found his way into McTowell Red Pill because that's what the likes were. But if you show your face and you hold women responsible and you should know this, you should talk about this dream. You're pretty much excommunicated from the majority of the career fields to make any money. So that's why I don't show my face because I'm in a career field that makes a lot of money. It's not a job. I have a career. So what I would say that people who just like have to live streaming shame. I really look at Coach Greg Adams and I show him to my black scientist friends who have PhDs and I go, Hey man, what if you were 4045 and your job was larping like an alpha on YouTube giving getting advice? Like all of us young dudes are laughing at him. Like this is it's just it's so cringe. It's funny. Well, let me let me kind of interject there. I think that you make an extremely valid point. And this is again, this is something that I've been wanting to talk about for a while. You know, there's a lot of people out there that hold themselves out as like experts in this and experts in that. But they're but they don't have a life, right? They don't. They don't like you're like, OK, so you had an expertise. What have you done in life? Like I've been I've been in law for 25 years, right? You know, I've got four kids. I've got two grandkids, two divorces, because I had to make the mistake twice. You know, don't hate. But my point is that is that you know, it's exactly that. But there are people out there on YouTube and and they're they're projecting a false image. And and what we see is and it's funny that you mentioned the whole idea where Coach Greg Adams was getting his his views for from Migtow first. Look, I can tell you right now, I can think of six different YouTubers who were openly Migtow when they started streaming or started doing their thing. And then they just walked away from Migtow once they got their user base. And they and that was the plan from day one. I guess I was guilty for like the first channel. But then like, I guess after you had to make three or four videos and I wasn't outright make to like, I don't know. I mean, it's just the first channel. I remember the first time I made the videos like I'm not Migtown anymore. Yeah. And the issue. Yeah. And the issue here is this is that about six years ago, everybody started having these extreme definitions of what Migtow was and what it isn't. And and while some of that stuff made sense and was supported by logic reason and facts, there was a lot of it that just was like people were trying to create their own cult of personality, right? And and they wanted their e-shekels. And like you said, when you get so successful, you get to successful to a certain level to where you're doing just fan service because you just want to make money or you need the money. Because again, you have no life outside of thing like you're larping as a successful person. Now all of a sudden, you know, you're you're at the you're at the women, your fans. And and more importantly, you're no longer helping men. You are regurgitating in an echo chamber in an effort to please the people you have in hopes that somebody else will be there. And you know, pandering like a politician for a vote is pandering. Well, it is. And honestly, one of the first people who did that that I've seen on a large scale on online on YouTube was Sargon of Akkad. And Sargon like I like a lot of his content. I like the way he does analysis. I don't necessarily agree with his politics. But that said, you know, there was a time where Sargon for a long time, he started and he went down this path where all he was doing was competing to his fan service. And then like when he would debate somebody, he wasn't trying to win the debate. He was trying to pander to his fans rather than trying to actually participate in the debate. And so he ended up he ended up getting wrecked multiple times as a direct result of that. And and and then he had to go back and he had to reassess what he was doing. But but he's one of the few people that is humble enough to say, oh, shit, I fucked up. I need to go fix that, you know. But but a lot of these a lot of these people who run around they call him, oh, you know, I'm here to buy my sex toy or do this or do that, you know, or buy my dating course. And you know, that kind of shit. Yeah. Well, dude, it's a great point to DJ kind of like in my mind, every YouTuber wants to get big enough. It comes to a crossroads. It's like you have the ability to sell out like basically throw away everything that you that your channel and your message was originally stood for and cash in or you don't. And I think CMA is just CME is basically like, yeah, we're cashing out. And that's kind of all it is. But then go going back to having a life like, dude, it's going to sound sexist help. And I don't really think you boys care. If Donovan Sharp, if Donovan Sharp pulled up to the club in a freaking Corvette, like we're in like a dress like a pimp. And he was getting sloppy toppy from an 18 year old Instagram model. Well, he had two more in the back and he came rolling out and he had like money out of his pockets in a six pack. I'd be like, all right. I mean, this guy's still a scam artist, but he's talking the talk and he's walking the walk. Like I could see that like, okay, maybe I could see him crushing poon and being a legendary player. You know what I mean? Now, whether or not the advice would be valid. I don't really think so. If I were him, I would literally just say find a way to get money, hit the gym and get Jack. End of story. You don't need to pay me to grant for that. Like that's it. But he, meanwhile, an ex-con fell in fake name formerly obese in his 30s in his best year. Pretty sure he may or may not have gotten light bow taking testosterone because he's like naturally too low. Has like a bit, has like a bit ass estrogen voice and has committed to a chicken or forties post wall thought that he admitted chronic guy did a video yesterday. He admitted she took tons of long and no. So dude, this is the authority on red pill and masculine. A formerly obese ex-con who's committed to a post wall sausage ridden. Forty year old. What it is. He's the master of menopause. Right. They used to be master. Right back in the days. The master of menopause. He's going to be the menopause master in a few months. She'll be his wife will be 45 years old in August. August 6 1976 is your birthday. He's going to be 45. 76. Dude, that's decades. Well, Ruby and undead chronic existed. We're like she was in college. She was in college in 1994 in Florida. I was in fucking kindergarten in 1999. I wasn't even born. Yeah. I was born. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're floating around some seminiferous tubules. Wait. I hope I don't see any cuts today. Well, I want to address something. Hang on a bit undead said earlier. So he mentioned me and I want to respond to it in a good way. Positive way. So you mentioned that these dudes like coach Greg and like myself and Aaron Clary actually blogged about me years ago like way back in the day like 2010 2011 or something about. He came. He made a blog post like number one or number two. Me. Because of all the content I put out even back in the 2000s and the early 2010s right. The 21 convention and all this stuff right. Pick up artists or you know that. So what I'm saying is I don't mind at all at the respect that you guys do to conceal your appearance and name and stuff. You're fully anonymous basically. DDJ is a little bit different now but still basically fully anonymous right. What I hate is the guys who come out in public like Donovan with a fake name and a face and they want millions and millions and millions of people to fucking watch them right on purpose as many millions as possible. If Donovan or anyone else even better about you for example. I don't have any particular beef with a problem with necessarily but you guys are free to go say whatever you want. But that dude like what's his real name nobody knows right. But he wants a million people a day to watch his videos if he can. I think it's snap his fingers. He would have a million people a day. He would have 10 million subscribers right. But he doesn't want to put his name out there so they want to have their cake and eat it too and that pisses me off. I put my real name six I think. So fucking you know 14 15 years and I've been putting this shit out. These people want to like they want to be anonymous like you but then they put their face on camera and they bitch about single moms and bitch about feminism and bitch about women right. Even if it's legitimate and they want to hide behind this this like it's like it's like they're half pregnant right. They're pregnant or you're not. Yeah that's that's an interesting situation because like let's just talk about better about sure I've seen I've seen I've seen his face. I haven't seen his videos so he's not using his real name but his face is out there. So like I don't know like if he I was trying to think if he was in my industry he actually wouldn't get the job like people would know his face would get his face and it's kind of like the biggest the biggest pull you get from showing your face on any kind of platform is you get to show your facial expressions and your you know your verbal so like you know like a third half a communication is nonverbal. So your fans interact with you. They would much rather see actual undead chronic moving his hands around throwing his head back and laughing at cucks right because that's more engage you feel like you're in the room with the boy but you can't so like they're getting that they're not using the real name but bro you're still like gonna dock yourself so for me it's just like it's like a job it's like it but like I wouldn't I don't see it as like they're a trader they're weak or anything it's more just like it's half job exactly half job. It's almost like a better about she was a brand name and it's I don't know I guess I'm again I guess since I'm fully anonymous it's not as you know not as egregious to me but you know I'm going to I'm going to address this exact comment because this guy's saying because they don't want to lose their careers this is a hobby for them he means better bachelor and anyone Donovan Sharpey from before he got exposed right. This is the issue though you know number one they just don't want to have there they want to have the cake and eat it to they want the half job they want to be half pregnant right yeah here's what they've done they set up a ticking time bomb if you want you know Donovan sharp is 13 million views a better bachelor probably has 20 million 30 million even more right like it's a ticking fucking time bomb you put your face on camera and you bitch about women right or wrong you're going to get fucking swarm and someone's going to find you eventually oh yeah it's inevitable right but here's but here's the thing hang on then they get docs though they get docs and then they bitch it's like what did you expect 25 million people have seen your face I think the people working at Walmart don't have a fucking YouTube app on their phone like this is stupid not dream that's a good point like to do that you know there's no going back it's like it's like trying to decide to do porn and then being shocked when you don't find it exactly these are the Mila Khalifas the Mila Khalifas or the Red Pill let me just say something that was a great point let me just say it right now for the fans making Red Pill content as a man is like getting your pussy beat up on camera as a woman so thank you to all the male porn stars like what Jim Johnson out here doing the work thanks man I appreciate that dude well yeah and well here's the thing too the only thing dream that I might say the reason why I feel like alright screw it I feel like the average guy of the CME the average age of the CME guys is like 40 or 50 so it's like if they're creeping on retirement soon anyway and they got some money stashed and they know they could make decent money off their subs they might say screw it you know what I mean but for us if you're a younger crowd totally different story like if you're in your 25 as opposed to like 50 or even 55 late 40s like you get up and you might you might be like well you know I could afford to do this it depends on how you've lived your life I've known guys that are 50 that have less equity than either one of the two of you so yeah yeah well actually I got $300,000 in debt because I just wanted to buy enough weed for the year at the start there you go so they probably have more money than me right we got a room in his apartment it's like a screwed McDuck pool the final thing before we jump on to the next thing and that's you know these guys who were showing their faces and they're not using their real names right and they're just trying to get the stage name type of thing right look nobody cares what the real name is if really the only jobs I've ever had are shit like gas stations and you know yeah and stuff like that like nobody cares about that dude you've been found guilty of fraud you know and you can't work in a job you can't work in a job where you're in finance right if there's fraud there yeah you never get I mean you can kiss any kind of job handling money or working with securities or working in finance or working in any trusted position at all ever in life and the other side of it too I think you guys also made a good deal with the issues going on oh yeah yeah so here's what I want to shift the focus to next guys you know since our fans haven't seen your initial takes yet I just want to get your initial thoughts and what was your initial first impression when you saw the CME thing that you're obviously roasting here first we'll go with Undead then Ribby and then DDJ we'll get your thoughts on it too so what was your initial response when you attended to me I was asleep because we have a slight time difference and I saw it as soon as I woke up actually I put it on my TV like I had to watch it I had to watch the puppetry in full HD before I sat down on my couch got a coffee cracked it open on like a Friday morning and just laughed my dad was looking at me she's like you okay I was loosing it dude I was laughing so hard so my response was like seeing all these first of all I had like the interviews cut in it's actually minus some like stock footage and like some of the sounds it's a pretty decently put together trailer like they obviously found a camera room and had some editing together I didn't know most of the dudes though so like my initial reaction was like I knew Donovan was cucking around so I was just like okay I'm just gonna roast whoever I see and yeah like I went to look at the information of everybody who's been invited to this conference we got like black supremacists we got a dude for pussy like look at the fresh and fit dude has to pay bitches for pussy and then pay them to come on his show it's the funniest thing it's just like you know you got a tall Arabic scent and then a short really fat African dude it's like they like it's a Timon and Pumba right and they pay boards to go on their show and talk to them about how they're so alpha it's just like like if you if a dude can get bitches off the street and then talked about escorts and not even good escorts either like fat nasty white escorts like white pigs like look at this Arabic dude his dad's abusing thousands of Arabic families back at home to send his little bitch ass son a bunch of money just spent on white horse that is very that's not being a good Muslim bro why are you spending money on white that's for wrong these fat white women are pigs dude another Santa cut did you go to that one guy the old dude with the beard looks like I'm pretty sure I saw him on a he said we'll teach you how to be gentlemen and that's all I needed to know like get charged $2,000 for Mr. Boomer who quite literally stood around twiddling his dick while the USA was ripped in half what do you do there's another part where one of the guys is like it's not that we don't want women it cuts to this guy in the beard and he's like oh yeah he definitely do and I'm like that was this guy oh no yeah so I don't know like all of them are like two I can't you know and well your dad gets too drunk out of barbecue and he's trying to flex on like hey check this out son I get mad poon look at these guys look at those you know what they look like they look like like the want to be expendables the expendal cocks yeah the expendal expenses it's like oh since 11 and a half except they're missing a trivia that some of you may not know, especially some of the listeners, uh, what race has the highest level of membership in the gay community? Was it black? Yep. Oh, dude, I remember hearing that somewhere. What do I win? Rivier wins a beer. All right. There you go. Drink up. So the reason I bring that up is because, you know, a lot of, a lot of African-American communities, you know, there's a well-known thing called the undercover brother. You know, down low, right? Yeah, exactly. They're all on the down low. And Atlanta used to be the land of the undercover brother for a long time. Oh, it still is. I don't want to know, chronic. I don't want to know. It's called the tight. It's a place called the bull. I think it's called the tiger. Yeah, it's called the tiger. It's a bar downtown Atlanta. And every time Clemson, the Clemson player, you know, Clemson Tigers, oh, it's a Clemson bar. They walk in, they walk out real fast, real white face. Right. Well, my point is, my point is, is that, you know, I'm sure that a lot of these African-American men and CME, I'm sure they've been with some women. I'm sure that some of them have been paid, you know, they've paid for some of these women and some of them, you know, came for free. I'm also sure that they've got their testosterone injections, anally and orally. And when you look at this kind of thing, you're like, oh my God, and don't get me wrong. Like, look, you know, I'm not going to cap on everybody going to the CME, but the CME is very clear. And let's be really honest. It's a cash grab, right? Yeah. It's not there to help men. And let me kind of explain it. So I looked at the CME's website, and to get a standard ticket, it's like $1,500, and there's only 50 slots. If you want the VIP, you know, treatment, including the reach around, that's 2,000. And so now you've got a max seating of 75 people, okay? Each and every one of these people has a bigger audience than 75 subs. Each and every one of these people has more than 75, you know, patreons or subscribed stars or people who donate the money to them. So, you know, and let's take an example, Terence Pop, right? Terence Pop has retired our army ranger. You know, he served a couple tours in the military overseas. He's a combat veteran, decorated combat veteran. He's got over 100,000 subs. You know, he's got a lot of connections in a variety of different communities. He's very well known. He's not just known in the big town community. He's known in the veterans community. He's known in the comedy circuit. He's known in the real world, right? You're not extending your reach by going to an event for 75 people. There's no reason to do that. Oh, this thing has the dirt on what they got paid. They all got bought out, basically. They all just kept rioting. You're going to laugh and you're going to hear the amount. You're going to laugh. Please. Here's what they sold their souls for, right? And by the way, I was offered like a shit ton of money to film this event. Guys don't even know they have to find that out in part two of the documentary. Wait, what's that? Like filming like in his hotel room with other men? Oh, I was listening. I run 21 studios. Our filming for our events is amazing, right? I do the best in the man's sphere. Oh, Shade, do Jackson's call it that? The gold standard, right? I will say, you got some great camera work for sure. Thanks. And Donovan wanted. He told me it all comes from gay porn. Hey, that's where you learn it, man. You learn from the best. He asked me twice to film this event and I walked away because I, you know, we'll get into the reasons why in the documentary, but I walked away with a lot of money on the table. I walked away. I didn't need it. I didn't want it because I knew this guy fucking serious problems with lying and all this bullshit. Here's the point though. The speakers got paid a measly less than Joe Biden paid them. They're Biden's stimmy checks or more. They got paid a thousand dollars to speak of this event. That's it. A thousand, a thousand, a thousand. Now they get commission if they sell tickets. They get a lot of commission. They get half, which is unusual. And that's why the tickets are jacked up by the way. The tickets are so expensive to fucking facilitate a super. 50% on ebook is normal because an ebook has zero fucking costs. It costs like one penny to fucking send it, right? We talk about 50%. I get 70. Whatever. The point is though, the tickets have a super high fucking commission rate for a physical event ticket. Like if you go to a Grant Cardone event or some other event with an affiliate system, they don't offer you 50% commission. It's too fucking much because the conference costs money to put on unlike an ebook or some grifter course on the internet, right? Physical events have hotel rooms, conference spaces, all kinds of event staff, flights, hotels, like kinds of fucking shit. That costs tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes six figures easy. But anyway, my point is they got paid a thousand dollars. That's it. A thousand dollars to sell their soul to this fucking fraudulent scumbag. Dude, that is cheap, man. I didn't know what I thought the price was. I was thinking somewhere in like anywhere between like 10 and 20, like a good chunk because dude, and the reason I thought that is because the tickets are so high. I did the math of what, assuming everybody bought two K ticket, like the primo, I think chronic said they had sold 40. I did the math. Some quick math. They already made like 300,000, like between three, almost four, I think it was $380,000 like back when we saw how many tickets were sold like early on. They're going to, they're selling from what I heard, they're selling almost nothing. That's why Donovan's making new, but ticket tiers and ticket. Oh, he's making all that fake crap. He's making the tickets now. Yeah. I wonder what you got to do, like a large fry with that? No, I was like, how much do I got to pay to park my Chevy and his wife's puberty? Because I know it's big enough. I know it's big enough. Look, I've been, I've been building Manisphere conventions for 15 fucking years now. It's our 15 year anniversary. I've done more than anyone in the world by far. I know what I'm doing better than anyone. Donovan is a bumbling dumb fuck. He has no idea what he's doing. The event is in less than 60 days. It's in like 45 days or some shit. Do you know a fucking tight of a time on the list to sell tickets? No one's going to go and no one's going to buy. Especially people aren't traveling as much now. Like he showed up either waited to do this or like you said announced it like a year ahead of time is very well. At least four or five, six months, like something more reasonable to make plans and fucking timing. Yeah. People got like families and shit. Like, well, but I think there's something, there's something important that really needs to be brought to to the forefront of this conversation. Okay. If you're, if you're selling your soul for a measly G, right? I mean, a thousand dollars, let's be real, you could trip and fall on a thousand dollars, right? Dude, most people, that's a lot of weed, man. Biden money is more than that. 400 dollars more from Joe Biden. Right. So there you go. You could trip and fall in a thousand dollars. What that should tell you, even with the commissions for the event tickets, right? What that should tell you is that these men are not who they say they are. They aren't. And to that point, look at the amount of subscribers a person has on their YouTube channel and then look at their views. So like I just came back. So my views are a little bit low for a channel of my size. And the only reason I publicize my subscribers is because I didn't want to manually upload all my fucking videos to Odyssey. Odyssey will do it for me. They're in the process of doing it. That's the only reason I showed my subs, but there are people out there with 100,000, 200,000, 300,000 subscribers and they've got 5,000 views on their video. Or, you know, they've got like, you know, maybe they've got a lot of views in the videos, but all their comments look super generic. So you know that they're buying their views and they're buying their comments and everything else. And it's all astroturf. So, you know, but above and beyond that, if you're trying to make, you know, like this is your side hustle and you're trying to make a little bit of money on it at the same time, whereas unlike me, I just want everything I'm doing to pay for itself. I want, you know, my web hosting for my website to pay for itself, some of the stuff that I've done for my channel to pay for itself. And after that, I could give a fuck. But my point is, is that if you're not making enough money, that you're going to fly across the country for a free trip to Vegas, which by the way, is not what it was before. That's like, that's like going to Paris in 2021, right? Yeah. Nobody wants to go to Paris. Yeah. Nobody wants to go to Paris in 2021 because it's a damn no-go zone. Maybe. Oh, you American? Death to America. And then all of a sudden, you know, you're swarmed by Muslims and you're in six different pieces and you're on a 4chan video. I'm going to screw my helicopter. Whenever anybody talks about France, I will take any opportunity to dunk on France because they're like the biggest bitch. They're literally the guy. You go to raise a fist and he like, he like whimpers and growl away. Anytime there's a big world war, France is like, we give up. Don't hurt us. Well, yeah. And right now you have to understand that like, you know, they're presidents, a child abuse victim who's married to his abusers, like a Mary Kay. Yeah, dude. Hey, we'll be quick on this one. Yeah. McCron, they're president, like his teacher who was old granny pussy, sandpaper pussy, pretty much married him as he's returned to legal age. But I think I think half of everybody's hate is just, they don't really treat frogs very well in France. We'll just say like that. My amphibian Buddhas, they eat the frog legs, but it's all right. Family should eat the frog balls. There you go. Anyway, so my point, well, is, is that, look, if you could be bought off for a for a measly thousand dollars and your Patreon is bigger than that, or you're as successful as you say you are, um, that's, that should tell you that number one, these people can't run their finances. Okay. They can't run their finances. They can't manage their, their personal lives outside of YouTube. And they need the money and they need the platform. And look, nobody needs a platform of 75 guys. You do, you go to an event like that. Like you go to something like, like, carbon sharp life needs a platform for 75 guys to get up to her. I'm sure she's already, I'm sure she's already had it. It's called the brand. So, um, but my point is, is that, you know, with Anthony's event, and I've seen a lot of stuff behind the scenes with Anthony's event, he and I have an NDA and, you know, I've done a deep dive into a lot of his finances and in the way that his businesses run. Almost all the money in Anthony's event goes into the event. You know, yeah, there's, there's, there's, you know, living expenses and things like that, as far as throughout the year and those types of things. But there's no extravagant, you know, I need to shield this so I can go buy a boat. Right? There's none of that. And, and there's none of this, you know, I'm going to do a $2,000 an hour phone call, even though I'm not educated enough to have it. And not a coach. I don't offer coaching anyone. Right. But I, but, but that's what I'm saying. So, so I think that for the people that would actually participate in this particular event, I don't think that those people with respect, I don't think that any of those people are thinking critically if they're coming from a position of good faith. I think that they already, every one of those people that's part of CME has a larger platform than what CME offers. And none of those people need to go to an event like CME to be able to associate with each other. Because the reality is that, look, you know, the four of us are here. We're associated with one another. We didn't have to put on a fucking event at the Holiday Inn or wherever the fuck, you know, whatever gas station they're going to put their event on at, in order to make it happen. We just got together and said, fuck it, let's stream. Yeah, dude, and going off that DDJ, one of the best parts is in the actual trailer when you boys watch it. I think it was like Aaron Cleary, whatever little leprechaun, loudmouth guy is. He's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Fuck Aaron Cleary, but go on. We're going to, yeah, whatever. We're going to teach you how to be frugal and financially independent. I'm like, dude, really we'll teach you that. Step one, don't throw 2000 freaking dollars at PUA pickup posers to try and teach you how to be good with your money. Be like, are you serious, dude? And it's not even like the two grand, like, oh, okay, look, if you say it's two grand, but like the flight and food and your room is covered, then it's like, all right, maybe I'll give him a little wiggle room because that could get expensive. But that's just for the event itself. So it's like, the guys that are good. I think the VIP get a hotel, but no one gets a flight. And there's always more shit, dude. The same thing with our events, like you have to buy a ticket. But Vegas is giving the hotels away because nobody's going. Let's be real. Okay. They're giving that shit away. No, they are. I've been to Vegas a few times recently and they're giving that shit away. And frankly, you know, Vegas is like Facebook. It's turned into a ghetto. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, the thing with Vegas is with the COVID lockdowns and stuff, people started realizing, well, I'll tell you, even before that, the reason why all these dudes want to go to Vegas is because most of them are fucking out of touch boomers. So back in the 80s, how would you get easy, fresh, young, good puniti when you had no skills, you had money. You go to fucking Vegas and buy a hooker. Right. Right. So all these boomer cucks are like so excited about going to Vegas. I'm like, but literally the Vegas for undead chronic is the local college town. I'll bring a, I'll buy some weed and go out there, get an Airbnb, and then just get Tinder, whatever, get random fucking hookup app slots over. Like that kind of party, like who would you rather go to a college party with chronic? You'll get more pussy with me there. You get fucked up, more fucked up there, then go to Vegas, spend thousands of dollars, get rolled over, lose half of your net worth, don't buy some person in town because it's cheap. You know, well, and that kind of, I'm going to tirade a little bit if it's okay. But I think that chronic makes a really good point. And this is something that since I've been back at YouTube and making videos, I think I made a, let me see if I can find it. I made a video called Don't Be a Dysfunctional Lone Wolf and chronic makes an absolutely valid point here. Look, you're going to have a better time. You're going to have you're going to get more pussy. You're going to have a lot more fun. You're going to have stronger relationships. If you get together with people you know, people you associate with, people who you've developed real world friendships with, where you're, you know, where you guys can all get together and, you know, maybe go to a stag party or maybe go to a college town or maybe go do something as a group. You're going to, you're going to have a far better time and it's going to be a far more authentic time than if you go to some prefabricated online bullshit with people who are pretending to be your friends that you're never going to see in real life and when you finally get in their presence, you're like, wow, that guy's creepy. Right? We could have told you that. Doesn't cost 2k. Well, and but the thing is, is it, is it that sort of thing today is rare, you know, 20,000 years ago when I was your guys' age, this is how we associated. This is how we socialized. You know, you went out to the club in the weekend and you'd go see a live band with your friends and maybe you see a crowd of girls there and you'd go say hi. And you never had to worry about whether or not one was packing. You know, because you don't want to cross swords when you get back, right? And then all of a sudden, then you got to, then you got to claim a self-defense or something when they arrest you. I wanted to, I want to pull up something or two. So you guys are talking about the conference, the issue in 2020, we had a huge media explosion with the 22 convention, the one we do for women, make women great again. Oh, that was a, yeah, that, that odd campaign, pretty much 95% of of how much I'm impressed with you is how beautifully you just, because I just watched compilations of women screaming. How dare they make a convention, making women, you know, you got, I think you got on Fox News, whatever, I was just laughing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, that was absolutely weird. Yeah. In terms of media manipulation, you literally pulled a Donald, a 2016 Donald Trump on the pitches and it was glorious. So let me give you a little, that was just beautiful. Beautiful. Thanks man. Yeah. Who wants to give you a little slap in the ass? Exactly what that was. That was one of my finest moments in my life to date. And I'm really proud of it. It was awesome to fucking troll those people. And I learned from Trump. I watched Trump starting in 2016, 2017, 2018, and I applied that to the manosphere and to both my vision and my ideas are for there, you know, what we do. And it worked amazing. It worked better than I ever fucking hoped it would. I mean, I guess you would hope it would go nuts, but it was awesome. Well, you got on Piers Morgan. I mean, they, I mean, granted it was a serious event, but the fact that you just did it as a giant fucking troll was awesome. Well, then we actually did it though. So it is a troll and not a troll at the same time. That's what pissed them all off. Dude, it's like the red pill equivalent of the GameStop stock guy. Like you're literally just trolling it and it actually ends up beautifully somehow. It's awesome. He can, you can use trolling because what you're basically doing is creating like such a, you're basically ripping the collective hymen of the left, right? And so when you rip that, they all scream at the same time. And when you have more than a hundred metric tons of feminist large screaming, it's so loud. Everybody hears it. Like everybody hears it. So like all, there's a bunch of normies or whoever who would like your convention who are anti-feminists that would never have even seen your fucking face. But because you piss off all these little leftist fuckers, now they heard of you. So that's beautiful. I just, it just makes me, makes me want to smoke a joint. I'm just watching a dream on the interview and on the bottom, it's randomly like, three year old boy dies in fire. I'm like, oh my God, damn. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, damn. Oh, damn. And this is why feminists caused it. Right, right. Well, that's the misogyny of the gaps, which by the way was another video that I just did. Well, let's, so we're looking here now, one of the news, and it was much bigger than this. It was New York Times, New York Post, you know, but this is my biggest interview I did. But here's a video I want to pull up from Monday Chronic if I could pull it up. That's way back in the day. Here it is. So roasting PUA is not feminine. So number one, that is the whole issue I want to get into with all of you. But number two, number two, you were, you know, confronting here, Coach Greg, some of the things he said about you and this and that. My point is, though, is like Coach Greg is, now I want you to describe now in that chronic what is in this video from my viewers. But on top of that, I know it's in it. I've seen a lot of it, almost all the whole video. It's basically Coach Greg taking heat or not being happy with, you know, people criticizing his appearance, Atalia, stuff like that, which I don't, personally, I've met him. I don't fucking care what he looks like. I don't know, because I like, I don't think any content creator has ever roasted in for being short. So what that tells me is that, you know, hang on, I have a major point here. I want to make. Oh, OK, go on. You know, the major point is that if Coach Greg ends up on Good Morning Britain, Good Morning America, CNN tomorrow for some video he does, either with 20, either my company or his own podcast and stuff, the feminists in the fucking media are going to go after him for anything they can find. Do they went after, not only me, I was getting death threats and shit. They went after my sister. She's a manager at a major theme park here in Orlando. She's a principal of a school, but you know, recently before that. And so they go after fucking anything they can find, your family, your parents, your looks, all this fucking shit. If he can't take it from you, I mean, you have a YouTube channel, your YouTuber, you have 15,000 subscribers. I think that's cool. I'm a fly. I can't. Yeah, I make fun of him. If he can't, if he can't handle the heat from you, are you fucking kidding me? Like I've been through that. It's serious shit. There's some people melt down. You know, they get fucking too berated and too attacked. And you got, you got to have, you got to understand out of thick skin and like, you know, get through it. But I can guarantee you, if he gets that kind of heat, man, that's going to fucking, that's going to be a new level of roasting for him. That's a thousand times bigger than what you've done. If they can't take roasting from the community, they can't take roasting from their enemies. That's what I mean. What I'll say is this, like the fact that he brought up his height, I mean, I haven't, if you guys see any content creators make fun of me short, I don't think that's a thing people. Yeah. So I think it was some commentary, right? So some random dude without a channel was able to trigger such an insecurity in him. He had to address it as if it was like, you know, one of us doing it. So, but the thing about the, being roasted on YouTube versus what you had to go through, Dream Johnson, look, everything I do is to guarantee I never have to have the experience you had. Right. So like, having someone colorfully explain the different levels of zinc flying in and out of your probably single mother household, like that's insulting. That makes you feel bad, but I'm not going to send a bunch of like black mass dudes to your fucking mom's house. The left will do that. They do that. They'll shoot at you. They'll, again, it's Yeah, go on, baby. Hitting the nail on the head, Dream. Like, Karana and I are just we're comedy, we're roasting. Well, it's like locker room talk. Oh, yeah. Well, we, it's a bunch of jokes to actually go after somebody and seriously like try and cancel, try and mess with them. No, that's like bad intentions. Whereas I feel like if you're a guy that's just joking around, yeah, you can get butt hard about it. But at the end of the day, it's just jokes. It's not like you're actually trying to I have bad intentions. I go after people because I have bad intentions, but it's because they're fucking grifters. But that's because but you also have to understand, too, that like hard. You guys see that song I made? PDJ, like your bad intentions, like, you're not trying to like, you know, have someone assault a family member to scare them into silence. No, we're are bad. It's like chronic bad intentions is to have someone cry cucked tears on a live stream. That's like my that's how I want to hurt someone. Right. There are people being, again, Dream Johnson just has to pull up some fucking emails. There's people out here that aren't fucking around with this that will put a bullet in someone. We had a men's rights lawyer get shot by a dude just as a FedEx driver. Like couple months ago in LA. Okay. I never hear about that, dude. Yeah. I can get about that here. We have no investigations. I guarantee you that dude was a feminist. Well, he died. He died of covid. Oh, yeah. Well, making army come on this field, dude. I love it. You die and you die on the getaway. It goes above and beyond the personal. So, you know, I had the venue, for example, for our 2020 event we did in October, 21 summit that had the 22 convention at it and our men's event too. Right. Now, the venue is hidden until Sunday night before the event that started on Thursday. So as soon as I sent the venue to the attendees, I knew there'd be a fucking bad apple. Right. Some fucking stupid feminist chick would have a ticket. Right. As soon as I said to fucking tip the you just didn't know that that feminist chick was one of your speakers. I don't think so. I think it was an attendee. Pretty sure it was an attendee. Now, here's the point, though. They immediately, the next day on Monday, started calling the fucking venue to cancel us immediately with the event three days out. They're calling the fucking manager screaming at the general manager of a hotel. These people do millions of dollars of business. Like they don't fucking care that much. So then they come talk to me. They're like, Hey, what's going on? Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, Yeah, someone just stupid feminist and shit. Like, you know, we're just kind of like a Trump event. Like nobody cares. And thankfully, they were like, Hey, we don't care what you believe, just don't film the venue branding and stuff. It's some big deal. But the feminist really fucking tried to cancel a whole fucking conference. So set up for a fucking year with like 100 some people flying out. They tried to actually, they were screaming of these people on the phone like fucking banshees, man. They're crazy. Well, I'm actually, I'm surprised they didn't I'm surprised they didn't cut and cancel. I'll say, I'm surprised they didn't cut and cancel. I mean, I'm sure you heard what happened at Tim Pools event. They had to get the close venue down. Yeah. So like, choosing a venue, trying to do this kind of thing. Money talks, bullshit walks. When you have money in your pocket and they don't have your money yet, they'll do anything to get your money. Oh, yeah. So like, Oh, yeah. You kind of hit the nail on the head. The fact that you got it one angry Karen, one woman yelling at them versus a conference where they're bringing in money. You know, it's not hurting anybody. It's just a mean opinion. They don't give a crap. You know what I mean? I was glad it worked out. Although the hotels in Orlando were broke. So I was like the only conference in town. So they all they were always getting hounded to do the event everywhere. And then when you got money on the table, man, everybody's broke. Everybody's hungry. Well, and it's Florida. Right. Let's be real. It's I mean, the problem is, is that like you look at somebody like Tim Pool, you know, he's he's not going to choose the same same type of venue that, you know, Anthony is going to choose. Like I've been to myth con, for example. And I was in myth con a couple of years ago. And they had like a bomb threat. They had to empty out the entire venue during the middle of any of because somebody got upset about a bunch of, you know, what a bunch of feminists to eat Chipotle. She's about to shit. Run. Right. Right. But yeah, I mean, it's just and I've been the target of feminists as well. When my book first came out, feminists lost their fucking mind. Like I had death threats and everything. You know, they thought that they thought that I was the one of the members of the old 80s band divo because I told them I lived in Washington state. And so they found they found a Bob Lewis and while here, Washington state was a 70 year old man from fucking divo. They edited his wiki to add my book and then they started fucking trying to cancel him. And the guy's already fucking retired. He's a multimillion. He's like, go fuck yourself. So he just sent them some cease and desist from his attorney. And they all just, you know, crawl back under the table where the cockroaches belong. Now, guys, I want to move the conversation on to something next here. Actually back to the same video. But I want to focus on the actual title of the video. So not so much Coach Greg. He's he said it. So we can say that others have said it too, though. Right. So I think I think in the video you showed and I've seen Coach Greg say it elsewhere that like fighting is feminine. Conflict is feminine. It's a stupid fucking slander that people throw out. And I'm not I'm not gonna say calling Coach stupid because it's it's mostly in the comments, right? You see these beta, I call them the beta male police, the BMP, the beta male police. Anytime you have conflict, they're like, oh, this is feminine. This is feminine. They don't explain it. They can't contextualize it. They have no reason to actually make the statement. They're just saying it, like lobbing it at you, like fucking dog shit. It's an at home attack. It's an at home attack. So I like all of you discuss is fighting among men is open conflict feminine or masculine? Like what the fuck is going on here? It's masculine and it's necessary. Okay. Yeah, kind of going off that point dream. It's the kind of thing where would you respect a friend more who if he has a problem will go to your face and be like, look, man, we got to talk about some crap or the guy that literally wherever he knows a couple guys are IRL and they'll be like, Oh, I'm non confrontational. So you could have a guy come up and basically do whatever the hell he wants and you're going to slink down in your seat and not have a spine or you're actually going to stand up for yourself and get crap done. So at the end of the day, even if it's two friends, like even if you throw hands with one of your boys, you're drunk. He's talking crap. You punch each other. At the end of the day, you're like, all right, man. Like, yeah, we fought it out whatever we get over it. But to just, yeah, dude, to just act like anything. It's the same kind of argument where it's like undead chronic says a woman with the body count of 50 don't deserve a good husband. He's just an incel. It's like that kind of argument where you're just throwing that out. Oh, you're feminine. Oh, you're an incel. It's reflecting the point with an insult rather than actually hearing it out. I think if you have a conversation, that's a way to do it. You know, all respect the guy in court. If he makes a good point, I'll take some criticism. But if you can't take criticism, that sounds like a J. It's delusional too. When men fight, they don't try to typically, you know, handle it privately if you can maybe. But what is it? What is the old thing, right? If you're out at a bar and someone fucks with you, what is it? Take it outside. Let's take it outside. The fucking group's gonna form. People are gonna be fucking clapping and cheering, fucking your shit face. And you fucking fight. This is what men do. They fight in public, right? They fight in the open. Right. You know, women are the ones who do things behind the scenes. They backstab each other. They gossip. It's all fucking covered shit. Which is everything these little fucking losers at CME talk about. No more, you know, public fight. No more response videos. Let's keep it private. They're a bunch of fucking women. It's pathetic. Well, and that's why I won't be surprised if you see these guys, you know, talking, like doing a video talking about their sphinctioplasty because they've had so much shit in their ass. And to that point, I have a funny aside. So two years ago, I made this video that I was making fun of basically like the trash within the McTow community. And it was called The Ballad of Colostomy Bag McTow. And it was just basically, basically what part of the video it now, I haven't seen it in a while because but if memory serves, part of the video was about how now, you know, sooner or later, we're going to hear about some some fucking retard walking in the McTow community saying, yes. And here's my Colostomy Bag. Well, I'm not going to say who did it, but six months ago, there was a guy in the McTow community who made a video showing off his Colostomy Bag. But that said, I think that you are correct. I mean, look, the manosphere should be with masculine men and masculine men should have to deal with their problems together, whether you're young or old. I'm not saying everybody should throw hands all the time, but look, if you care about your friendships, if you care about your relationships, whether they're personal or professional, you have to be willing to confront them. And if you're doing something wrong and somebody confronts you, you have to be thick-skinned enough and you have to care about the relationship enough to go, okay, I see where you're going. I mean, you know, TFM and I worked together for two years and when I tried to bring things to his attention outside it, it didn't work. So when I publicly aired it, all of a sudden, you know, it was World War III when it shouldn't have been. So, you know, and there's other people that I've had disagreements with online who, you know, I still talk to, but we've had public disagreements and we've figured out a way to work them out. But the second that you try to do this feminist Game of Thrones, communist backstabbing, entry is bullshit. Nothing, nothing works. Yeah, well, the whole thing about being about fighting being feminine is like, what's really being fighting? What these guys are meaning is like disagreeing with us in public, like that's what the fighting is. Yeah, so from my perspective, it just looks like, I mean, what's our issue with these people? We think that they're just trying to steal money from men. Okay, what would a scam artist say? Have you ever met a scam artist? Yeah. I was, I was married to two. Yeah, well, imagine this man, I mean, you see the protests too, like you see a woman walk up and slap and slap and slap and as soon as the man retaliates, all of a sudden, everybody's about the piece, right? So you can see these cucks cuck around, make videos, ask for money. But as soon as someone has a problem, they're like, why don't you just talk to us behind closed doors? And I look, man, it's fucking YouTube. And like, maybe I'll respect some YouTubers, but these dudes larping like alphas like, bro, you're on fucking YouTube. If you feel like a zombie roasting your fat ass, roasting the fat that you get to pay for horse is getting attacked, then holy shit, you're going to have a very, very hard time once this whole crop for public falls. They're going to really, you're going to be attacked, like fucking just, okay, whatever. I mean, I'll do it. Oh, that sharp mama meme. Oh, God, it's so bad. Well, you know what it's going to be? It's going to be like that guy in Sweden. So there was a couple of years ago, there was an issue in Sweden where the immigration was getting crazy. They had, you know, black market weapons being shipped into Sweden. What do they have? They have too many whites coming in. That's what it was. That's what it was. Country, like, come on. Yeah, that's what it was. So they, this politician was walking home from some political meeting. He was like a party politician and he's walking home and he gets sexually assaulted. And yeah. And like, they totally just, you know, turn him out. And so what ends up happening is, is that he used what I like to refer to as the CME problem-solving skills. Oh, no. He refused to identify his attacker because he didn't want his attacker to get deported. No, he wanted us. He wanted a second date. Correct. Oh, my God. Correct. Well, here's the thing. I look at Sweden and my favorite thing is people go, Swedes aren't cucks. Look at this Swedish YouTuber that goes to the gym. It's like, okay. Right. I thought a lot. Well, didn't the Swedish guy marry Mia Khalifa for a bit? Yeah, no, yeah. I respect you. The Swedish cock married Mia Khalifa, you know. I don't know. Let's not get on to that. Let's just talk about arguing and being feminine. No, Dream Johnson. I think that disagreeing with someone in public is, I mean, if you're good friends with someone, you just come out and roast a shit out of them and you don't try to talk about them behind. Okay. I can understand that. But do any of these dudes think I'm friends with them? Like, I'm not friends. I'm friends with Ribi. That's about it. Ribi and Dale, you know, so like these dudes are really just random fucking boomers on YouTube. Like, I'm just, if they cock and I make fun of cucks and that's what I do on YouTube, what better target to roast cocks than a bunch of cocks who are larping as if they're red pill? I mean, this is the best, it's Lily, this dude saying he's going to teach you how to game woman and he's married to a bull vine. This guy's going to teach you how to make games. Yeah. Dude, let me say, I've got to interrupt for a sec. This alpha male. Any man that was incarcerated, he's not obese here. Oh, wow. Any man that blew pill past. Any man that was incarcerated and obese and probably broke in his prime in his 30s, 40s where you think of getting laid and stuff. Just forget about it. Like, if these guys were literally like self-made men, if they were like, I started my own company from scratch, my net worth is this, I'm married to a couple models, whatever, then I kind of understand it. But- Ribi, I have a question. If you went to jail, Ribi, do you get on a jail fat or do you get a jail jacked? Like, damn, dude, who comes out of jail fat? How do you go to jail and not come back jacked? You got nothing to do but push-ups. Yeah, seriously. I don't know, man. Take it, take it, take it, Johnson. What do you guys say here? Yeah, so I'm just going through some of the chats. I do want to pull up something that I thought that we're talking about earlier. We're talking about the tickets, the pricing, how fucking absurd it is, the cash grab, the money that there be, there be these guys are being bribed with, which is fucking pennies. Like, it's nothing, right? But here's what else no one's talking about. I mentioned it a little bit. So in 2020, when the media was after me, they were all going bananas, attacking me, the feminists, the media and shit, they were focused on the conference. They weren't focused on the long-term product of the conference, which is the videos, right? At least in 21 studios, 20-odd convention, we invest like a shit ton of money into filming the speeches, three angles, four camera angles, five camera angles sometimes. It's like a TED Talks for men. My channel has over 2,000 videos now that are free, right? And most of those, a lot of those anyway, are full speeches. They're premium videos that you could otherwise people could, you know, and speakers over the years that pushed me to do that and even shareholders I have, to take the free videos down, put it all behind a fucking paywall, which I think is gay. I don't like that. That's not how I started the company. That's not what made it famous. That's not why it's badass. So I want to point this out. This is from 2009, our event trailer from 2009. This is republished in 2011, but it came out in 2009 for the 2009 event. And our videos from 2007, nevermind 2009, have been free to the world. And no one's fucking talking about that with the CME thing. All those videos that they're going to film are going to be put behind a fucking $800, $900, $1,500 fucking paywall for content that is already available anyway on their YouTube channels. I've seen guys in the chat talking about that, right? It's all free on YouTube channels. Anyway, you're right. The difference is what I'm doing is our speeches are free to the world. That's the point. So they can reach millions of men like we do with our speeches to fucking actually make an impact on the world. And their event doesn't do that because it's a fucking cash grab. If they actually give a shit about what happens, about what happens to men and fathers and boys in culture and masculinity, the videos would be free to the fucking world. And he would defend that to the bone and to the death like I do. I've had so you have no, I've had dozens of speakers and shareholders, a few I have in my company push me over years, multiple times to stop publishing videos for free, just on YouTube and shit. And I say, go fuck yourself. I might hear them out, honestly, a little bit. And then I'm like, no, I'm not fucking doing that. I'm going to keep doing what I love and what I fucking care about and what I believe in, which is free to the world. So their event doesn't do that. And that's how that's another reason you know it's a fucking cash grab and it's fucking annoying. Yeah. And dream, that's the whole point. You're cutting off a massive section, like especially the younger guys, you got like a teenager, kid in college, he's not going to be able to to do that. And you're that's the most important thing, I think, because you're looking to try and, you know, let the new generation know what's good. But yeah, I think these, I think these young teenage Brutas though, they're going to look at two, two pieces of content, right? Let's say they look at this 21 convention stew, or not it's fucking whatever, CME, this Vegas conference, right? And I see like one or two videos and it's literally a 60, I don't even know what it is. It's Santa Cuck saying, I'm going to teach you how to be a gentleman. And then they go and see and then they go and see that the leader of that conference is dating an obese, fat white woman. Okay. Despite being a black supremacist, which is very, you know, I don't square that circle for me. I was a black supremacist wanting a half white kid. I mean shit, Donovan starts basically half white himself. He gets with a white bitch and has a kid. I don't think he can. Who's taking tons of sausage? He's still blind. Yeah. She has no eggs. Her eggs are all dried up. Well, it's not even that. If you take, if you take a lot of exogenous testosterone for years on end, you basically infer, right? But they're going to look, teenage guys are going to look at that Las Vegas conference. I know teenage dudes. They're going to be like, what a bunch of out of touch fucking boomer bitches. And then they look at people roasting them. And maybe that's, maybe there's more of it. So honestly, all these cucks self quarantining is helping me and Ribi make content. So like it's almost like this is like, it's a bad disaster. It's like there's like airplane crashing, but all the journalists are going to take pictures. Me and Ribi are just going out to laugh at the cucks. Would you say that they're showing undead? Would you say that they're showing you their true colors? Like Aaron Clary and Terence Pop. I mean, you were fans of these guys recently, right? I don't really know as Aaron Clary. So I can't really comment on that. As for Pop, I really do think, I really do think his main motivation is he's so one track mindset on not getting veterans to kill themselves that he's willing to go anywhere to spread the message. And this is how I say about that. I'm like, okay, Pop. Spreading this message is like, it's like he's teaching kids how to swim, teaching veterans not to pull the trigger. There's thousands of pools. He could do his own conference. Like if he did his own conference, if he just flew to New York City and interviewed veterans on Times Square, that like hour, two hour stream will do so much more than associating with these cucks. So instead of like doing his own thing or joining someone else or whatever, he's deciding to swim in a giant pool of shit. It's like a, it's a sewage plant. And I'm like, bro, why are you swimming in the sewage plant? I'm gonna teach kids how to swim anywhere. I'm done. I'm spreading message anywhere. I'm like, but why are you staying alongside a black supremacist, bro? You're white. You look like a racial cuck. I don't get it. Well, yeah. And let's take that a step further. Right. How many suicidal veterans are going to the conference? And let's be honest. I'll commit suicide if I have to see these cucks. Yeah. Yeah. And to that point, if you have five or six suicidal veterans heading to the conference, odds are they're armed and they're getting ready to make the news. Maybe you don't want to go anyway. Oh, damn. It's a good turn. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's, I don't know. I think the biggest, you know, because I was thinking on a review like, man, how should we really, could we get a couple of dudes so like stand outside with the cucking made easy signs? How would that do? No, this is what we do. We're running. I told you. Well, we, we got a Kickstarter, right? Every donation goes to renting out a billboard in the greater Las Vegas area. So when they land in for the conference, it's a billboard of Donovan Shart's wife in like a one piece in like a bikini. Why don't you just, why don't you just and then we get a cease and desist from the city of Las Vegas, Nevada. They're like, please, please take the billboard. So the city's going blind. Why don't you just, why don't you just hire a couple gay male strippers to strip it right in the middle of their opening thing? So yeah, I mean, it's all about the cost and like what you actually want to do. So like, do I actually want to send people to crash their conference? I'm honestly, I'm like, I decided no, but I'm indecided about that because I'm just like, man, how funny would it be if I just like, let all the major feminist clubs and all those universities know where that's going to happen. I'm like, look, if you want to mark like red pill, I'm going to goddamn make sure you get treated like red pill by the larger community, right? So honestly, I would just tell pop before I go, hey man, bring some cameras, Ben GoPro, because there's going to be a lot of fat chicks screaming at you as you're trying to get inside this damn hotel. Dude, they love that. Don wouldn't be like, see what I mean, boys? Oh, yeah. You're going to be all the good ones here. I would never wish feminists on my worst enemy. Let's look at, so we're talking about pop and I think this is interesting to hit on because you did bring up, he was even on my channel, commenting publicly, responding to me as well as other commenters, just in general. Let me pull up a picture of pop here for you guys. Here he is. Oh, no, we got the, we got this retard down in Miami, but close enough. Well, we did. Let's see what we got here. You having a boomer moment? What's going on? We got a lot going on. We got the, I mean, here's, here's pop in the middle. Says the old man. Right. Anyway, so the thing that you mentioned pop though, that the single track thing, and I've seen him commenting about that, the issue that I take with that is you can't utilize that to take some sort of fake moral high ground that you're going to have no standards of how you're going to conduct business and who you're going to work with. Like if, you know, if Donneville was a convicted pedophile and just got out of jail for 15 years of being pedophile and actually molesting children, would you speak at his conference? The answer, no. If Bernie Madoff got out of jail and put together a fucking fatherhood conference or some shit, would you go and sign me up? Like, no, you don't want to work with Bernie Madoff. You don't want to work with pedophile. Yeah. So where's the fucking line? How do you draw it? He's going to say, I feel like it's more of just a, just a bad business decision on pop size. It's just like, the cockage is just going to, honestly, it's already for me and for a lot of my subs. The damage is done. Like, it's been, we've been making videos out for a while. I mean, I've never directly reached out to pop, per se. But I mean, like, all you got to do is, I mean, I'll link the video to him, man. Like, Donovan Sharp is pretty much saying that blacks have superior genes. Like. Whoa. Dude, where are you superior genes? The funniest thing is his argument, like, he's like, blacks have superior genes for game. Because look at the NBA. Oh, it's so funny. And ignoring the fact and ignoring the fact that they represent the largest demographic in the homosexual community. But, you know, the thing is, I have a lot of, I have a lot of respect for pop. But I think that the reality is, is that, you know, you are who you associate with. Yeah. Let's talk about the black homosexual community thing, because I think there's a lot of, you can say that and it'll give off a very particular vibe. And you go to some parts of Atlanta, you'll definitely get that vibe. But let us recognize that the majority of black sons, black boys, are raised in a single parent household. Yep. Right. And when you're in a single parent household, single mother sluts, looking for a new wallet, a new chat and whoever. Well, yeah. You know, so what happens, you get, you have a bunch of vulnerable young boys being exposed to sexually mature men who don't care about them. That is the perfect situation for an event to happen that will lead to such child becoming homosexual. So I mean, I haven't looked at the stats, but if you just told me that, I don't know, if you're in a single other household, you're five times more likely to get molested as a young child. And we all know like, I think half of, I don't want to say half, let's just say a third conservatively of gay males who are sexually abused as children. That kind of, these trends will add up just by the numbers, man. It could explain it. You know, I also know that black men have higher estrogen levels than other ethnicities. Right. Well, it's a combination of factors, but I would just, I don't know. Just saying like, oh, we all know blacks are the highest case. I was like, this is the couple, I don't know. I have some stats. I feel urge to explain it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I have some stats. It's 39% as far as the homosexual community is concerned. That were touched as children? No, no, no. That are part of the homosexual community. And I believe it's somewhere close to 50% of the homosexual community decided they were homosexual after they were victimized as children. And as far as the black community is concerned, as far as single parent households, approximately 75% of African American households are single parents. Now, what's interesting is this. Back in the 1960s, when Martin Luther King was running around and doing his little civil rights thing, the African American community had a higher intact family rate than the Caucasian community. The black community was like 70% and the Caucasian community was like 67%. And so, you know, you hit on a really good point because and I talk about this, you know, hashtag shill alert for my book, The Feminist Lie, which happens to be right behind Anthony. One of the things I talked to you about in my book is that if you are raised in a single parent household, you are more likely to have mental health issues. You are more likely to have substance abuse issues. You are more likely to be a criminal. In fact, the single biggest indicator of whether or not a child will grow up and become a criminal as an adult is whether or not they were victimized as a child. And so you have all these different issues here. And even the women. So like if a girl is raised in a single parent household, she will sexually mature faster. And you know how like they talk about how people, when they're suffering psychologically and they have depression and they like take a razor blade and they like cut their arms or legs, you know, their cutters, right? Well, girls in single parent households do the same thing with premarital sex. They basically. No, I mean, I mean, I do agree that, you know, because if you if a woman grows up without a father, the epigenetic signals, basically the signals that control, it's like the way you can control your genes without actually changing, you know, not changing your basis, right? Your body's, the girl's body's telling her like, Hey, there's no men in your tribe. That's a problem. You should probably know, you know. And so, yeah, I think that I think it's on an average just like a year and a half. I think it's 14 months is a woman's raised without a father will enter her first menarch, right? Her period. Yes. But I would say too, man, like women who are raised by weak fathers, it's almost like it's a biology. It's like a continuum, right? So it's like no father, weak father, good father. All these leftist bitches, me and Ribi are really pulled, vaulting into, left and right, all these burning girls on smashing. They got daddies. They just cucked daddies that think that, you know, they should send their daughter to college. And then I give them a reward of a green-skinned bastard. A tip for you boys out there in the chat, if you're swiping on Tinder, some local arts, artsy chick at your, at your, at your college, be like, yeah, what do you think of your dad? Just, oh, I hate my freaking dad. Be like, okay, no gag reflex. I hate the bitch too. Yeah. So guys, I want to focus the, the conversation a little bit. Back action, a video that came out on Undead's channel, to see the day it's pulled up. So you put, why Undead chronic is leaving my man a sphere. Talk to me about the content of this. And more importantly, like, what is your view on the state of the manuscript currently, especially given the grifting and the coarse grifting and the shaming and the guilt for liking and subtracting all this crap? Like, what do you think about where it's at right now versus where it was and where it should go in the future? Well, I think everybody that says the manuscript is faltering or dying, either from our side or their side, it's just, it's grown, it's grown so much. Like we got little, we got, we got teenagers saying simp. I'm fucking TikTok now. That's because of us. Like that's a culture change. That word, it's really because of us. So it's not failing. It's not faltering. Just go through evolutions. Like you had like the old guard, then you go, whatever it is, however you want to just classify them. I think it's more like individual content creators either making decisions to, to cock or leave. And for me, it was like a two angled push. First one was, I've been doing, I try to make it a series, but when you have your channel, you have a channel to lose so many times, you kind of lose your playlists. And I kind of, you know, I just got lazier. So I don't really do any of the professional YouTube stuff. It's a very lazy channel, but I would do like a red pill crusades. And basically it was just me responding to pickup artists that said they were red pilled and they were using it to, you know, this whole conversation using the language to convince people to buy their, their classes, right? And it pissed me off. I'm like, these guys aren't red pill. And I did that so much. I'm like, who are the red pill dudes? Like who, who are the people like pushing forward red pill? And I was kind of like, I saw me, Taylor and Rebbe. And I'm like, if we're the minority here, if there's so many scam artists and not even just that, like if you go to ask most people red pill, they think of the red pill subreddit, right? So they think red pill, emotional manipulation slash seductive techniques, which is, yeah, but that red pill subreddit was pretty much how to get as much pussy as possible. And some of it work, you know, that's not really under that content. So it was a push on the red pill guys who were pickup artists. And then, um, yeah, we did a stream with, um, Sandman and TFM two weeks ago, I think it was two weeks ago, right, Rebbe? And it was a four hour stream. Very interesting conversation. Yeah, pretty much just, uh, that's what I was saying. It made me decide that stream. I was like, well, it wasn't a good, it was a good stream. It was slightly contentious, but I basically argued with these two, probably the biggest, I would say the, there's probably two of the biggest make towel content. I mean, definitely Sandman's call. I would say he's top three, I don't know. But, um, yeah, I argued with them for like an hour and a half about like sex bots and how they want to, I think when I wanted to like project an E, an E thought like an E girl on the face of a sex bot and other person was like saying, well, at one point I got called thirsty because I fucked real women. And at that point I was like, that was kind of like, because I had my boy over, you know, a scientist who's not YouTube affiliated at all. He's actually one of the few people that knows who under chronic is. And my boys like, he's looking at me like, bro, who the fuck are these people, man? And I kind of have the same kind of thing. I'm like, so like on the red pill size pickup artists and honestly on the big towel side, what they choose to do for themselves, like however you want to substitute women, I support you. All right. I just don't understand people's need. It's almost like, uh, well, they have content, you see yourself as a messiah almost. And like, I'm going to solve the world's problems. Everybody needs to get this or use this as a substitute. Good. I'm just not, you know, that's why I'm not made to. I think everybody should have their own choice, whether or not they want to have kids kind of. I'm not going to say no one should get married. I'm going to say marriage sucks. Why the fuck would you get married? I'm not going to, but if somebody was just like, I waited, I waited the decisions. I know all the risk factors and all that stuff. And I want to get married and have kids. I'm not going to tell them he's a cuck for that. That's his, that's his choice. Yeah. And going off that chronic, in the end of the day, sex bots, real chicks, smash and dash monk, uh, we're here to kind of recommend, but we're not going to say like, if you don't have sex bots, if you smash a real human woman, that's wrong. Or you shouldn't do this. You shouldn't do that. You know what I mean? Like we're very kind of keeping it lighthearted, keeping it. You don't have to be so serious. And so, yeah, I would say that I was actually the leaving of the Manusphere. It's just Lily, the warband, which is like me, Ruby and Taylor, me and the two dudes I wanted to start making content with. It's just us saying we're sick of being a, so there's so many cucks in the Manusphere. There's so many scammers in the Manusphere. Like, look, man, I don't need to be called Red Pill or Meg Tower Manusphere to roast bitches. I could really just roast a bit. I could just start roasting random shit that's on YouTube. Probably want to be as popular. I mean, who knows? But that's what we're really here is for comedy. We're not here to like fucking solve the world's problems. But how about you guys just want me going off of it? Yeah, no, no, listen, I think you're right. I think that the problem with the Manusphere, the state of the Manusphere is this, is that you have too many cults of personality and you have too many people who are pushing too many agendas that are based on their financial agenda, right? So, you know, while I know that, you know, TFM is down for his sex doll and that's like his choice and that's great. I also know that, you know, he gets some kind of affiliate kickback for that. So, there's a financial incentive there as well. And I would assume that probably Sandman does in addition to that. But, you know, Sandman, and I'm not saying this is an insult, Sandman has told me, you know, he's schizoid. So, he doesn't necessarily need to have the socialization that the normal male does. So, that's very interesting. I think the biggest, I just want to call on that stream again. I don't want to come off as an asset. I think the biggest thing is, for Sandman at least, he's not really a streaming YouTuber. You know what I mean? He's not. So, for him at least, I just gave him a blank card. I'm like, look, whatever he said to me that I might have misinterpreted as bad, the dude makes solo content all the time. Yeah, yeah. And it's the same with TFM. Like, TFM runs a show all the time. So, he's very used to having to keep Spurge and Locke or whatever it is. Well, I think it was just a poor, it was a poor stream in general, like there's actual mechanics of the stream. Like, it is the first time we stream together also. So, it's not like a full like, these guys suck. It's more just like, no, no, no, I don't think, and I'm not taking that from it in front of you. I don't, if you said that, I wouldn't agree with that. But what I'm saying is, is that you make a valid point in that, you know, if you're on YouTube for a certain period of time or you have a certain level of subscribers or you have a super high level of engagement with a certain demographic of your subscribers, right? It's very difficult to not become hubris. I mean, think about it this way, right? Let's say you had no social life. You were a nerd as a kid. You didn't socialize with anybody as a kid. You came from a broken home. Whatever the situation is, right? And you've never been the popular. You've never been the popular kid. You get on YouTube. You make a bunch of content. And now all of a sudden overnight, you're popular. You're going to hold on to that popularity as much as you can. And you're going to fight for it with your dear life because that's that external validation that we talked about. Strokes your ego. But it's strokes your ego. And I'm not saying that like, I'm not disparaging anybody who goes through that because it's the same thing about the guy who's poor all his life. And then he wins the lotto. Right now, he's at like $100 million. Most of those guys are bankrupt within 10 years because they don't know how to handle the success. The same is true for many people in the Red Pill community. You look at people like Rolo Tomasi. He didn't know how to handle his success. Rolo Tomato. Yeah, you know, but I'm saying he didn't know how to handle his success. And it's hubris got the best of him. OK, you look at Needle Rick Cooper. Same thing. Didn't know how to handle his success. And, you know, now he's charging $2,000 for an hour for phone sex or whatever it is. Is that the entrecrux in cars? Yes. Yeah, I call. Here's me and Ribi Standard. OK. He's here on the bottom left on here. If you have ever dated a single mother, you're not. There's just no respect. Like at 16, I knew I was never going to. Ribi, how old were you when you didn't want to date a single mother? What the fuck is going on? The second I knew they existed. It's kind of like you're watching. I was at a sleepover. I was like nine, 10 years old. And then we're watching the ring. We're watching it. We're watching the shining. I'm like, ooh, this is kind of scary. And then one of my boys goes, hey, Ribi, there's something out there called a single mother. And I'm like, wait, what? And then I'm like, no, bro, no, no, you're messing with me. They get knocked up at 16 and they want commitment from a jet. I'm like, no, no, it can't be. Yeah, my assessment of Richard Cooper is really we have another boomer who all he's not fat, that's about it, hits arms about once a week, maybe chest once a week, uses his I say I call them shitty BMWs because buying that many BMWs, I just feel like as a shitty decision, but that's just because BMWs are a dime a dozen compared to other like actual luxury cars. BMWs are like a meme. Yeah, I mean, again, for me, like I'm more of a biker. So like I drive shitty car, like if you hear my videos and talk about like 1992 Chevy's and I don't care, like I just cars or whatever, probably because growing up a bit poor, you know, when you grow up, you don't really get to get a bunch of shitty cars. You're like, I can't afford any of that shit. But using cars and just his face to get the subs, it kind of proves to me that there's a lot of they're not Red Pill guys or just dudes who are open to guys kind of holding women responsible, right? So I mean, even if he's talking to hundreds of thousands of people, if he's just driving around saying that you guys shouldn't date single mothers. Well, maybe he kind of spreads the anti-single mom message a little bit, but as soon as he tries to act like an expert, as soon as he starts charging people for calls, I'm like, hold on, bitch, you've dated multiple single mothers. It's just like, yeah, I never fucked a bitch you had a kid. Ribi, have you fucked a bitch you had a kid? No, I've never fucked a bitch you had a kid. Well, right, but I guess, I guess where I was going with that, I mean, we kind of went to Tangentville a little bit. Where I was, box. Yeah, no, that's fine. But I guess where I was going with that is that you get a lot of these people out here who, you know, maybe they're acted in good faith, whether it's, you know, a PUA dating coach, you know, masculinity, neo-masculinity, MGTOW, whatever it is, you know, they start out with good intentions, they do really well, and then for whatever reason, their hubris gets the best of them, and they either become shills or they become the thing that they themselves said they would never do, you know? And that's the thing, like you'll see some of these people, like you look at their content from two or three years ago, and they're like, look, you run across this type of person, you run for the hills, right? Well, then you turn around, and two years later, and they are acting in the exact same way that they said they would never act. Now, I understand that as, I see it. I was gonna say, it's kind of like that Batman quote. You either die red pill or you live long enough to see yourself get to die. Wait, can you, wait, pull up the picture of you guys, all three of you standing in front of Twin Studios. Okay, Ruby, I hate it when people, look at this, look at, look at cocking the right, cocking the right, okay. This dude has such little bicep definition. He's got to use the entire thing, so he needs to try to push his bicep up. Well, look at the, look at the skin, the dead skin on the left arm. Well, no, I think he got burned. He got burned as a kid. He got burned some. Oh, great. So he's, so he's couched. You were an asshole, bro, how do you make fun of the girl victims? I'm like, I'm burning this. It's all in the sun, man, I just fucked up. These are, these are my former business partners. They were standing right here. I'm standing right now. I know these guys, they were former business partners and I don't know them really well. They're both losers of women, including, you know, Cooper, I can confirm that from firsthand observation. He's really shitty with women. That's the fraud call. Who's on the rocks right here? Who's on the rocks? Oh, I roasted everybody in that picture then. Damn. Yeah, Rolo, Rolo, dude. Yeah, dude, get them all in. Well, here's the other thing too. Rolo, Rolo's an even bigger loser than Cooper though. Cooper is less retarded. Rolo has like zero social skills. Cooper could at least have a beer and like talk to you like almost a normal person. But Rolo is just a fucking complete weirdo. My sister met, I'm called a fucking alien. Rich is, he's an alien to me, he is. Rich probably could be cool with you. Yeah, Rich could probably be cool with you because he probably wanted to sleep with you. Probably, yeah. Gross, yeah, dude. Well, that's a good thing. The other thing I was gonna say, Donna Cuck, Sharp, loves single mothers. I watched one of his videos a couple of days ago. He's like, oh yeah. And when you're dating these hot smoke show 45 year old single mothers off, yeah, they'll give it up real easy. I'm like, dude, if you have a track record of dating single mothers and you claim to be the king of the man's fear, the king of Red Pill. Absolutely, zero respect for you. Zero. I heard him called the king Kong of fraud, actually is what he is now, the king Kong of fraud. What are the king Kong of single mothers too? That's pretty good. Dude, my grandpa used to have a good expression, right? If I'm part of, from the Emerald Isle, right? I'm part of amphibian. Yeah, you can't bullshit a bullshitter. You know what I mean? Like if Ribi knows he'll talk a lot again, talk a lot of this. You know, joke around, I look at this guy, it's like a snake oil salesman. You could smell his BS half mile away, dude. So full of that. And these guys too, look at him flexing so hard in that picture, pushing the arms up. Wait, let's talk about oils right now, right? So like you guys know essential oils, you guys know essential oil bitches. Yeah, yeah. So basically, Dream, you've met them in Florida. Bro, half of Florida is essential oil land. Got them bitches walking around the dams. That's where Mrs. Sharp, Mrs. Sharp mama came from. If you come from Florida, she's a Florida woman. Yeah, so Florida, right? These people will say that essential oil will cure anything, right? So like Davenchart, my philosophy will help you train a woman and keep her loyal to you. Okay, if I can give a pill, if I told you guys that I had a pill that could, that would keep a bitch loyal to you, I would be showing my face on YouTube because I'd be so fucking rich, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter, right? So this is like essential oils. These red pill pickup artists, scam artists, whatever they are, they're selling essential oil. Well, let me tell you something about essential oil. We just had a study coming out that says 15% of all seizures in the United States is linked to essential oils. Think about that. There's actually billions of dollars of healthcare costs because dumb bitches are selling their dumb bitch friends essential oil. That's what they do. But can you imagine having sex with a chicken having her have a seizure at the same time? I mean, that's like something to write home about, right? I don't know. I guess it depends on like the kind of seizure and whether or not, like, Right, right. We're not getting into what we, she bites down. Oh, yeah, you'd be done. You'd be done. You know, maybe that's why we need the sex dolls so we can like, you know, pour some water on the plugins. They're having a seizure and you're just like, oh yeah, that's the kind of bitch I want, cerebral palsy bitch. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Like, I think that for certain guys who, you know, they're true force loneliness and things like that, I think those guys, I mean, I think sex dolls would be good for those guys. But I think that if you start, you know, treating your sex doll like Wilson from Castaway, you give it a personality and everything else. I wonder about that, like, you know, because not only you create an echo chamber, but I think that, you know, you're potentially going to create other mental health problems for yourself. And I think that that's, you know, in the long term, I think that the ramifications that are potentially extremely unhealthy. And you're still simping for puniti. It's just plastic. That's the only difference. That's right. That's right. I'm more like pro doll for two, I have like three reasons. First reason is I'm just supporting the industry because I know in 20, 30 years, like eventually there will be a sex doll that will get DDJ and Anthony Johnson, like, you know, running out the door. This is the fact, like you can't, you can't imagine it now. But like if you told a night back in the day, man, you're great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson is going to be driving around in a steel horse and it lives off of extracted dinosaur plants. They're going to be like, well, first they're just going to burn you to the state because you're a fucking witch, but it's comprehensible. But the idea, I do agree. There are some like, you could say, it's not like you feel bad for them because you don't want to come off as shaming dudes that are lower value than you on a sexual marketplace. Because what that really comes off is you're going to evaluate a man based on what, whether or not women want to sleep with him. I mean, really, no women are stupid thoughts. So that's a bad, that's a bad standard, but there are due like a prick. I mean, it's just stupid. Well, every, every woman's promiscuous if you catch her on the right day. Yeah. Yeah. And we got a comment. I wanted to hit a couple of us could hit. So I'll pull it up here and I'll read it and then I'll pop off on it. Gary Gunn says, will undead state on streaming and endorse anyone paying 2K going to 21 convention? Will they? So before that, hang on, hang on. First, first of all, number one, our videos are free to the world. If you don't want to go to our conference, I don't, I don't fucking care. Number one, don't fucking go. Keep your money, unsubscribe, hit dislike, leave a nasty comment and get the fuck out of here. I don't fucking care. I don't need you. You don't matter to me. Number two, again, you can watch the videos for free. They're filmed now in for fucking K, super ultra mega HD at three or four camera angles, published for free, right? So if you're patient, you can watch them the whole fucking conference for free paying nothing thanks to me, my decisions, the speakers who work with me and then YouTube even Suzanne Wojcicki who I don't fucking, she's a piece of shit for sure. But she runs the platform and at least for now until we get banned or whatever like Molly knew we can publish the videos for free and YouTube facilitates that for now. So these people bitching about what we do, fuck them. Number two, our tickets open at $9.99, $1,000 and you can bring your friend free. So you pay 500 bucks a person if you want for a four day fucking conference. They see me fucking weirdos, these fucking grifter losers but charging like two grand for a two day event. Our shit's four days long and costs you 500 bucks if you bring a buddy. 500 bucks for a four day conference that's run professionally by me who's a fucking awesome at this. I've been doing it for 15 years. Donovan's never run an event in his entire fucking life. He has no idea what he's doing. He's bumping his, poking his dick around in the dark like some kid losing his virginity. He does them fucking good. Dude, Donovan's never run more than 50 yards in his whole life, look at him. I know, I know. So that's my take on this. But so these people bitching like this is fundamentally different. What I've been doing is fucking awesome and it's all free. Well, let me respond to that one. Yeah, let me. Yeah, my first thing would be like I don't even know the prices, whatever. Second thing is would I endorse anybody paying to go to that? I would never, I mean, I would never pay but that's because I'm anonymous, right? Now, what did I roast to see me for? I think primarily I roasted them for that. I think if they didn't put off that cringe ass trailer and they just kept it all online on the website, I really would have never even heard about it. I'd never, okay. I roast Crockett. Are you guys thinking that like here's the thing, like people, I knew this would happen. I'd go on a stream with Johnson. And some people are like, well, I gotta take the sides. I'm like, I don't even remember what I said but I fucking tried to roast him. Like I roasted him. So like, and he had me on a stream. So maybe if Donovan Shark had me on a stream with him and took some like punches live and responded, it'd be a little bit more fair, but like. Yo, I'm dead. I don't care the use. I like your channel. I like your channel. I think most of what I, most of what I respond, I'm just just wanting to do the cringe. I think, honestly it was, who was this? Jack Murphy. I saw you had Jack Murphy on because he likes to flex like an alpha. And that's what made me want to do it. Because I was actually trying to roast Jack Murphy. And that's the thing that's what triggered me when I saw him on your channel. This guy's got Jack Murphy and Bullcuck. Cause like actually, so I think you did a service to me. You're like collecting all these dues together. I'm like, oh, perfect. I mean, I'll say this too. 21 convention. People think I'm like super vetting the speakers and it's not like that. I should do background checks, obviously. Had I known, had I known. There's some hope on this stream. Dude, I didn't, I look at their channels. I look at their content. I do some like homework people coming on. I got my dick in my hand. What the fuck did I do? You know, I, nobody knew, I think. Not, not me, not anyone else. Donovan had history of financial identity thefts. Like what the fuck? But that was way. I didn't get, I probably had the cocaine. You did your research. Yeah. You were the one, you literally were the one that, I mean, as I said, I'm a very lazy YouTube channel. You were the one that brought all that shit to us. So thank you very much for bringing the evidence forward. I care about the community. I care about the atmosphere. I found this when I was 17 years old in high school in 2005. I didn't start my business as a business. It was a hobby project for like three years. I was running this conference for free and making nothing off of it. Cause I loved doing it. It was a lot of fun. And people were like, hey, you should keep doing it. And I didn't, I didn't turn it into a business. I started it in 2006. Didn't become a business until 2010, January. So for like, you know, three and a half years, I didn't fucking, it wasn't even a business. Well, I went out picking up chicks with fucking balloon hats on like some fucking stupid pickup artists, right? But that's how I got those. But we were all there. It's all right. We were all busy doing shit. Dude, if you could, if you could pick up hammered, making a fool of yourself, not even caring, not even trying, that is true game. Like if you, if you have to study women, study here, these psychological tips so you could try and manipulate them. Like you already failed. It's like, dude, that, that's who cares. If you're Jack, if you're a diesel and guy, if you got game and don't give a crap, you could come in blackout drunk and, and clean up. I mean, if you have it in you. There's some like devious things you can do to like get hotter bitches on your dick. But like, if that's your main, it can't be your main kind of, you know, it's like a side move. It's like a little, you know, you pull it out with randomly. It's like, you know, if a girl rejects you, just like ask for her best friend's number, that kind of thing. Or like, you know, find the best friend, find two frenemy girls at the bar and then tell one of them that the other one asked you on a, on a, you know, to formal, to a formal party. That's what you gotta do. Find a Fremany, say, oh, that chick asked me to the next date party. It's like instant pussy on your dick. But that's like, am I really gonna make YouTube videos about like how to get easy sorority sluts? I get like, I get a couple hundred views, but like people will rather just see me make fun of them. So whatever. There's a million ways to skin a cat. Kind of like Dream was saying, a lot of the good content out there and what these guys are telling you. A, they're not experts in their fields or anything. They're just kind of like random boomer guys. And B, all this stuff is free. I will tell you exactly how to get chicks. Go on YouTube, join a jam, go on YouTube. Let me tell you, I'm gonna tell you guys something I told Coach Greg. I talked to him a few weeks ago privately over email, right? So number one, here's a speech from 21 Convention, his main one. He did two other ones, one for the fathers that's on our channel. And he talked to the women too. And good on him. Talking to the women was different than talking to men. Let me tell you, that was pretty wild. Anyway, here's Coach Greg speaking at the event. This has almost 300,000 views came out in December. And there's even more on the clips. There's like clips of it and shit that has like half a million views, right? Now, like you're saying it's all free on his channel, right? I already knew that before he spoke and I told him after the fact too. Like this speech, I think it's great. It's a good speech. Coach of Savage, right? I'm not happy with his decisions he's making. That should be obvious and you guys are providing your opinions on that. But this is a good speech. It's 74 minutes long. It's a good speech. It's high quality and shit, right? Here's what it does. It's nothing new. It's nothing you haven't heard Coach Greg say on his channel across like a thousand videos. It's a compression and a challenge for him to get up and stage in front of a real audience to compress his ideas into a powerful video that reaches a crazy number of people. I guarantee you like a year from now, this will be the highest viewed video in the world of Coach Greg Adams. That's all, and it's free, right? That's the fucking point and it actually helps men. It's not some paywall bullshit that helps 150 people, right? Or 75 person conference. The point wasn't the people he's looking at. The point long term is to reach a million fucking people which you need like a diamond. Like you compress like, you know, like a fucking, you make a diamond. That's what this video is from. It's his best video that's ever existed. That's why it's fucking kicking ass with views. And it's gonna outpace all of his own videos because the production quality and the platform that he's on, 21 convention. That's the fucking point. Like you have to do this to make a real impact in the world. You can't just do podcast videos forever. You have to fucking compress it and make it really pure quality. You drop pure red pills, right, Undead? You say you drop pure red pills. Fuck, bro. You're just like, you gotta use quality. I'm looking at my own channel. It looks like a fucking like trash can. Undead's coming in stone. Ruby's drunk off his ass half the time. Hold on. We're like red pills live from the college frat house. But that's fine because that's what your purpose is. That's your purpose is to do your own content. But I think when you're talking about this sort of thing, though, I think that the thing that, you know, the common ground that we all have is, you know, we are all speaking about what we know, what we believe in and what we want. And whether our message is, you know, baked into roasting and comedy or baked into a convention or baked into talking about Miss Andrew or whatever the thing is, you know, the issue here is that, you know, do I support some of these, you know, conferences? Not all the time, but the reason that I'm here today, the reason that, you know, I went on Red Man Group initially is because, you know, Anthony and I talked and he's like, we need to unite all the tribes of the Manusphere. Yep. And what was interesting is that the second that Anthony and I know this because I went down to Florida and I spent what, five weeks with yours on shit. It was a while. Goodness, five weeks. Yeah. That's my longest relationship. I stayed at Anthony's house and we hung out and we sat and we drank and we bullshit and we did all our thing. But my point is that the second that Anthony started trying to unite the Manusphere and uniting the tribes in the Manusphere, all the grifters, all the shills, all the dipshits, they lost their fucking minds and they had all these little bitch-ass excuses about, oh, don't involve this person or don't involve that person. And let me tell you something. If you're a grifter, if you're a piece of shit, if you're a PUA and all you're trying to do is take advantage of men at their lowest point, yeah, go play hide and go fuck yourself. But when you're helping people and when you're sitting here saying, yeah, I'm helping people and maybe I'm getting compensated for it, that's a horse of a different color. But the thing is that, you know, two and three years ago, when Anthony started doing this, this was probably about the summer of 2019, I think. When he started really doing this and really pushing this, that's when everybody started showing their true colors. That's when you started seeing all of this stuff happen. And I say this because I've been watching it with popcorn from the front row seat and on top of that, they've attacked me. And it's not just come from the PUA's, it's not just come from the dating coaches, it's come from people within the MGTOW community that felt threatened. Well, I think what is big, even Rollo is a red pill theory guy, right? He's not a PUA and he goes out with me too and he hated DDJ, he hates DDJ. I think what the biggest, it's not like MGTOW or Red Pill or Pickup Artists, I think what it is, is dudes that wish they organized this convention instead of you. It's literally, it's just straight up jealousy. Like I honestly think like it hit the news, it popped off. I mean, I saw like the some random news segment of you talking about it, get like millions of views, right? So these, all these Red Pill, MGTOW, whatever these guys, they saw that. And instead of like, I mean, look, look, if I want to enter the business competition with Dream Johnson, I'm gonna do my conference, I'm gonna brand it and I'll roast him as Wet Dream Johnson. Okay, that's it. Okay, but the, the bit shit. That's what his boyfriend does, you can't do that. That's what I'm saying. It's all the bit shit that you're talking about that they're doing. That's like, they're just trying to bring you down and they're not even offering a, it's just a bad, I don't get it. It's bad. They're not making a product. They're just roasting you. It's just pure jealousy coming out. And that's the, that's the feminine shit. Like don't bring this birthday cause blah, blah, blah. Don't bring the party for him. He drank all my beer last time. Hang on. Look how fucking jealous Rollo is. And 20, now our fans for a long time, there were some of them were fans of Rollo, some were fans of 21. They were confused when there was a big fight, right? We put out a 15 page statement, Rollo did his response, all this crap, right? They, a lot of them though turn when this happened. So in 2020, Rollo tried to do his own conference, right? Rule zero summit. But here's the kicker. At first it was before our event by like a week or two. So in my view, that was hostile. That was aggressive, passive aggressive action, right? Yeah. Putting his own conference. It got worse cause then he had, cause it was a COVID hit. He had to reschedule it like we did to the fall. Here's what he did. He put it on the exact same fucking date. Our event was October 1st, October 4th. What a fucking coincidence. So the attendees see this, a lot of guys who were in the middle, they're like, fuck this, Rollo's obviously a fucking asshole. I'm like, yeah, I told you guys. Who the fuck put the comments? I don't know any of these guys. I saw the, okay, wait, who's Myron Gaines? Oh wait, dude, there's a guy from Ants. He's like- Wait, Myron Gaines, I call him the, he looks like a ringtailed lemur cock. Like a scale ringtailed lemur. Or the Ant for Ants too. Oh wait, Ant for Ants, yeah. Hang on, hang on. You guys know this meme that I was showing earlier? This one, No Refunds to Masi? No, this is the No Refunds. Listen, all right, let me ask you guys a question. Have you ever seen any videos from this online? They were gonna do a physical conference and then they canceled that too and then it was online. Same thing. Are they just doing all their money? Is that what we're saying? Yes, there's no fucking evidence this shit ever even happened. They sold tickets, they sold tickets, man. No refunds. Rollo came out in August 1st or 2nd, 2020. He's like, hey, we're canceling the physical event. We're gonna make it online. Same dates, October 2nd to October 3rd. No refunds, right? We're gonna take care of you with the online Zoom conference. That shit never even fucking happened. It just, they just stuck those dudes in a money. How's it gonna work with $600 for a Zoom conference? I think what they did, I think what they did. I asked for it for a couple hours for that one. It's a scam, it's a scam. That's what I call them. Now, hang on. I think what they did to save the chargebacks, they probably got a few chargebacks and the ones to save the rest, they did one-on-one phone coaching is I think what they did. I think that's what like- Oh, come on. Cause Cooper charges, dude, these guys suck up to them. It's a cult of personality, it's insane. You know, it's funny. You asked a question earlier. You asked about the state of the Manusphere. Yeah. And before we kind of went down tangent lane. But I think that the statements that you're making here, I think they really kind of tie in. So I agree with Chronic in that the Manusphere went mainstream. So like when I quit making videos in 2019 and I was doing my own thing, like I said, I had my head down. You know, I was working a lot of hours trying to stack some cash so that I could buy my house on my one payment plan. I'm just swinging my dick right now with the news, by the way. It's fine. It's fine. And anyway, my point is, is that when I came back in, the Manusphere was mainstream. You had Tucker Carlson saying stuff like simp and cuck. You had mainstream media personalities who were actually discussing involuntary celibates not from the feminist perspective, but from an actual like they were, they were at least trying to touch on the conversation. And there were these, there were conversations that I was having. And specifically, I know that I was having in 2018 that nobody was really talking about at that point other than me and the few people around me. And those are mainstream conversations today. You know, like what Chronic said, you know, he's here and kids say simp and TikTok videos and those types of things. And again, when you're out and about and you're watching, you know, like I watch the news still. So like, I'll watch Tucker and I'll watch, you know, some Fox nation stuff. A lot of the stuff that I talked about wasn't being talked about at the time that I was like, when I was saying that, look, illegal immigration is an issue, but we really need to go after the traffickers because they're victimizing their immigrants as well. Now, a year and a half later, they're doing documentaries on this on the exact same thing that I called out two years before. And so we see this in the mainstream media now, but here's the thing that I don't see. I don't see a lot of non-shill, Manisphere personalities anymore. And like, if you go on YouTube and let's be real, a lot of the stuff that the Better Bachelor is doing is MGTOW content from three to five years ago. You know, like I saw a video of his the other day that had 90,000 views. It was on the exact same subject of a video that TFM had done four years prior. So, you know, those types of things, they're regurgitating old content, which, you know, whatever, more power to them. But my point is, is that in less, with the exception of the people who are trying to do like the CME events or they're trying to do the shill events, the Manisphere people aren't talking to each other anymore. But when I first came online, I first came on YouTube and I started watching YouTube and things like that, people used to talk to each other. The content creators used to communicate with each other. They used to do collaborations with each other, not necessarily consistently, right? But they would cross over each other's audiences and they would find common ground and they would have a reasonable conversation and they would disagree on what they disagreed with, they would agree on what they agreed with and they'd move on with their day. And yeah, there might be some jabs and ribs and roasts and things like that. Ha, ha, ha, fuck you, fuck you too. And then everybody moved off as friends. We don't see that anymore. About four years ago, maybe five years ago, people with the Manisphere, all of a sudden they were taking the estrogen pill and everybody got butt hurt and everybody, my pussy hurts. Nobody cares. DDJ, would you say the Manisphere has become more feminine over time or more masculine? I think that it has become more feminine and I think that the reason it has become more feminine in general is because so many people have so much hubris and they've lost humility and I think at some level, humility is very much a masculine trait. I also think too that, again, steel sharpens steel but if you get into a disagreement with somebody on an issue, God damn it, you better be able to talk it through and if you're gonna do it on a live stream, then all the ad-hom attacks in the world aren't gonna help you. It's about the strength of your argument and the strength of your ideas and your ability to present those things. And I don't see that happening today. What's happening is that you have a lot of people from different tribes of the Manisphere basically saying, my pussy hurts so I'm gonna file a privacy complaint because I don't want the truth to get out or my pussy hurts and I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna do a bunch of hit pieces on you per se and I'm not saying that anybody here has done that. I believe that the stuff we've done. Oh, I've definitely done that, no. Right, but I'm saying that these are you don't have to be mean, man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. Look, just because you're overarching messages, go play hide and go fuck yourself doesn't mean it's not a public service announcement, okay? I mean, we all know that this shit's a fraud. We all know that this shit's a cash grab but how we choose to articulate that is one thing but the motivation behind the videos we create especially the videos we create calling people out is not from a position of ill will and most importantly, none of us is drama marketing. Yeah, I think it's more kind of like general like letting the public know, educating them. It's kind of like if you're gonna go into some meme stocks but you have a buddy on Wall Street behind the scenes and it's like, hey, we're planning to do this. It's kind of a scam. You might not wanna put your money there. It's the same thing with these guys. Be like, anybody actually taking CME interested? Cause this is a big world. I'm sure there's some people out there that are maybe like, oh yeah, I might check that out. We're being like, we're letting you know what's good. All right, I'll just agree in general with DDJ. Not like he's assessments. Cause like, you're looking at a lot of them. Okay, I'm gonna cry and go home now. Oh no, as we all know these things come waves, right? So like we're all content creators. We don't watch that much Red Pill, make whatever content cause we're busy creating our own, right? So like the new giants of the man, so the new giants or whatever, like they're still growing. Like we're just, we just don't, you know, we don't follow them that much. Like I won't really tailor the fiend. One of our protégés is getting more views daily than me now. I'm like, once he makes more subs than me, it's gonna go from like the Undead Cronk Warband to the fucking Taylor Warband. I'm not ready for that, but here's the thing. Like I agree. The old guard is cucking out. A lot of these guys are covering old stuff. But again, I think it's just a, I think it's a problem of vision. Since the mansion has gotten bigger, of course it's gotten more feminine cause you have more feminine dudes going in it. What kind of guy is gonna go on YouTube within the first two years of YouTube and talk about how females are problems? Barbarossa, okay. I wouldn't call them feminine. But if you increase your population of people coming in, yeah, you get some more, it'll become more feminine in general. You just gotta like, you know, it sucks trying to find the diamonds, trying to find good content creators. Cause you just, again, you never know who's gonna hit 100, 150k subs. And then Cuck. I knew Coach for the Islands when he had the same amount of subs as me. And I got banned 14 times dropping my bills. He changed his style to suck with Jockoff's cock to get monetized. And he's, you know, he's made of his job. He's got like 150k subs. He gets super chats. So like, that's his path for me. It's a Cuck's path and I roast Cuck's. So it's just like, you know, it's just, it's just, you can't want a shark for eating. You know what I mean? It's like service. I support him. That's why I share your videos. It's good. We need that conflict. It's good. And let me kind of take a step back to clarify one thing per se. So, you know, when you're talking about red pill content, when you're having the conversation about red pill content, red pill is red pill is red pill. And there's only so much red pill information out there as far as that brutal truth about women and brutal truth about relationships and those types of things. But you know, there are successful churches all over the country and all over the world. And they're all reading from the same hymnal. You know, they're all pointing back to the same verses in the Bible. They're all doing, you know, a book that's been written over 2000 years ago. So let's just say there was a red pill Bible, so to speak. And in some ways there is, you know, and I always refer to the No Man blog from the early 2000s. And, you know, and a lot of the content of videos that have been created is a result of that. But I think that the other piece of that is is that sometimes you'll have a content creator who might regurgitate that old content and that's fine, but they reach somebody that maybe I won't reach. Somebody doesn't like the way I make videos or they don't like my presentation or they're like, God damn, he's a fucking boomer or whatever they're gonna say, right? And so they're gonna go ahead and they're gonna be like, okay, well, you know, fuck DDJ, but God damn it. I like the way Undead Chronic says it because it resonates with me. Now, it's no different than what I've said as far as the core message is concerned, but Undead Chronic's delivery may be more palatable to a certain demographic or a certain group of people. It's just like if you have an African American, Red Pill YouTuber, and they reach that community that maybe neither one of us can reach, you know? And then, you know, the nice thing is like with Anthony Johnson, I mean, Jesus, clearly based on his former business partners, he's done a good job of reaching the gay community. Oh my God, dude. I got a really good speech and then he's flipping on the head at the end, but yeah. I gotta drop a comment here. So, you know, we're talking about, you know, DDJ specifically brought up uniting the Manusphere and uniting the tribes. And I'm glad you brought that up because that's a, I wanna hit on that. That's exactly what I'm actually pointing to in the speech. This is a tweet I'm talking about from Coach Greg Adams in the speech. And it mirrors where my stance actually is. And I think it's where Coach Greg's stance was. Now he seems to have changed it when money's involved and CME's involved. So now Coach Greg's talking about it's feminine to have conflict and it's feminine to, you know, fight in public, which is, I think is retarded. It's completely wrong. It's baseless, it's stupid, it's nonsense. Your video calls it up pretty well Undead. However, I think what's useful where we need peace in the Manusphere is between the tribes, the groups. Men's rights, pick up artists, dudes, dating coaches, to the extent they're not frauds. Red pill, McTow, the McTow versus men's rights, men's rights versus red pill, all that shit needs to stop. You know, people, individuals are gonna fight. That's fine. That's men being men. That's masculine and fucking normal, frankly. And it's healthy to keep the community healthy. And when you have too much shit under the rug and not enough that in public, it becomes corrupt like politics and shit. Because it's disgusting, this shady, non-transparent crap. But it's starting to unite in the Manusphere, the groups need to unite and stop fighting. And Coach Craig used to be about that. He used to be about that. And now he's, now he fucking gave up on it for whatever fucking reason. I mean, I guess you have to define like, what does uniting the groups mean? First, like, you know, you say red pill and McTow should be okay with pick up artists. I have yet to see a pick up artist video that hasn't compelled me to open OBS and let the bitch have it. Right? Well, criticism is fine. I'm not saying no criticism. I'm just saying like, just like, for example, Coach Craig went after Rich Cooper, right? You guys might be familiar with that. That was the first time I think Coach Craig went negative on somebody. And rightly so, Rich Cooper is a douchebag on his best day, right? Complete douchebag. However, you know, I saw finally what actually started that. And that was for some reason, Rich Cooper started tweeting at Coach Craig, calling him a doll fucker, accusing him of having dolls and shit. So Coach Craig was like, I fuck this dude. Yeah, I made a video, respond to that actually. That was my first video, roasting a entrecrux in cars as he called Coach Craig Adams a doll fucker. Which, let's be honest, does Coach Craig Adams still profess to be McTow? I don't think he does. Nobody does. And the reason they don't, and just so we're clear, there were a lot of content creators, a lot of the bigger content creators, probably about a year and a half, two years ago who got together, they had some conversations behind the scenes. And many of them started moving away from the label because there was so much heat coming from it, because there was so much trash in the community. And so a lot of content creators that were actually making good content did not wanna be associated with the trash that was there. Now, all those trash content creators are gone, but a lot of the McTow content creators who were truly there, they're still there, but we've lost a lot of voices within that particular community. But I also wanna say this, while there are a lot of McTow, including myself, who will make fun of PUA's, that's not to say we don't use those tactics ourselves, okay? Let's be real, okay? I mean, if we're trying to get laid or whatever, I mean, you use the right tool for the job, right? So it is what it is. But I'm saying you don't have to be sleazy or anything else. It's just about, like what Ribi said, go to the gym, don't be retarded, shower, maybe brush your teeth, and call it a day. But I think that, you know, as far as uniting the Manisphere is concerned, I think for me, it's about common ground as opposed to, you know, we all need to march in lockstep. We can still be individuals, we can still have our agreements and disagreements. I mean, shit, Anthony and I have our disagreements, but that doesn't mean that we don't support one another, and it doesn't mean that we don't respect each other as men, you know? We find our common ground, we move on there, and then occasionally he fucks with me, and occasionally I fuck with him. That's how the world works. I just guess for, I don't like lying, you know what I mean? I just hate lying. So just given the nature of my channel, Ribi, you've backed me up on this. I just can't declare any kind of truths, because I don't know who I'm gonna roast next, because again, I'll blaze it, turn on YouTube, and let's find some cucks, right? But I mean, I'm not like, I don't think I made a video saying like men's rights as an idea, as a group, as their philosophy is wrong. I haven't made a, I don't think I made any kind of video like dunking on a philosophy. I mean, that stuff's too boring for me. Well, and I'm not saying, listen, listen, I'm not saying that anybody needs to declare a truth. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, is common ground based alliances. It's a scenario where, you know, you talk about the common ground, and yeah, maybe you make an aside comment where you disagree with somebody, and it, look, like for instance, let's say you made a video and you said, hey, you know, I just met this DDJ guy, here's my thoughts on him, and not all those thoughts are positive. I'm not gonna sit there and go, well, God damn it. You know, it's probably like, okay, well, I guess he disagreed to me. Okay, you know, guess what? He doesn't sign my paycheck. He doesn't give me a grade, and thank God he's not sucking my dick, so I don't care what his name is. DDJ stands for dirty, dirty Johnson, because you need to take a shower and clean it. It's only a dirty, dirty Johnson, because it was up inside of you and you didn't clean your sphincter, mother fucker. So come on now. I just, okay, listen, listen, this is the kind of, this is what I don't understand. I'm not even upset here. I'm just like, I don't understand the dudes who use like, you know, the homoerotic joke, you know what I mean? I'll always use that, because I'm old. Yeah, I know, a lot of dudes would do it. But that, I just, I don't know, for me, that combined with calling your enemies gay, I don't know, that's just like, is it good or bad? Like, is he gay? Am I gay? Is that bad? I don't even know. You're gonna confuse a lot of Zoomers out here, man. A lot of Zoomers are confused ever before I ever walked on the scene. I mean, that's what happens when you get raised by a single parent. They were born confused. They were born confused. And they don't have the, yeah, and they don't have the multi-generational male mentorship either. And they don't understand that, like, you know, yeah, the gay joke is funny and it's super old, you know, probably old as I am, you know, but my point is, I get all that, a lot of that shit's tired. So, yeah, okay. I just thought it was, I just thought it was funny given your other comments. I guess it's like, I fucked through the dick. I'm like, wait a second. Wait, I thought we gave it back. Right, right. But I guess for me, for me, when I talk about it like that, you know, I'm, it's how you were raised, you know, like that was the comedy style, when you and your boys had a middle school. I get that. Yeah, yeah. Back when we, you know, didn't have electricity. Back when you could call people slurs and no one really, you know, would cancel you. Right. Trust me, we were way worse back then though. Gay was nothing. Gay was like the very worst statement. We were so much more vicious. Oh God. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But yeah, about the whole United States, I think the best way to do it, I mean, honestly, just having high production value. I think what the 21st year is doing, and I'm more thinking about like, I don't really watch it, I don't watch much Red Bull content. I think it's the best way to do it. I mean, people having little beefs and little spats is whatever. For me, CME is just like the biggest collection of cucks in the past five years. How, it's like when the, it's like when the Spanish fleet were shipping out all their silver back in the day, like they set it out like once every three years and they, they're fucking, their fleet sank. Okay. And all them, all them pirates, all those American pirates, Blackbeard, BlackSan Bellamy, bunch of crazy fuckers went down and went ham on some Spanish gold and silver. Okay. That's what I'm doing. There's so many cucks here and they're all spreading on the little shared bottle of zinc. How could I not roast them? Oh. And, and here's the thing too, guys, like Crown and Knight wouldn't go so hard on these guys. If they were just sticking to their channel, they were sticking to whatever. The fact that they're making a conference for again, one weekend, charging people $2,000, led by an old piece. Okay, pause it, pause it. Go back and pause it where you're in front of them. Yeah, go back and pause it. Okay. 40 year old chick who's taking tons of sausage. Ribby, look, ribby, look at this. I will say, I would roast this. This is when these guys are standing. He's like, we're always oldies. We're always oldies. I don't even know all. Like who are these? I got the fedora. Oh, I love it. Well, we're all, oh no. Yeah. And I think also too, I think it's something that's also, I think relevant. I mean, you know, and again, I say this is the old grandfather type and, you know, absolutely get off my lawn. But, you know. I just wanted the kids to get off. Right, right, exactly. But my point is, is that, you know, because we have a society of children who've been raised by single moms, there is no multi-generational mentorship anymore. And there's a lot of things that a lot of guys of the older generation can teach people. And so like, for example, and I've said this to Anthony when we talked about multi-generational mentorship and the importance of the extended family was that parenting doesn't stop when your children turn 18. And when the children get married, you know, the mom and the dad on both sides are supposed to provide mentorship to the husband and wife children, right? Because they're adults. And when they have their first child, they're supposed to help them, you know, take care of the kid and mentor them and teach them how to be good parents as far as the skills are concerned. And sometimes when you can't talk to your dad for whatever reason or you can't talk to your father-in-law for whatever reason, you know, that's when you talk to your cousins and your uncles and all those other extended family connections. The problem that we have today is that because so many of these families have been destroyed for a variety of reasons, like we can go and we can tangent on that for another hour, but let's not. My point is, is that now we're in a position where we berate our elderly because they're old or we berate those with more experience than us because we don't understand. And don't get me wrong, I think that's the job of every generation because when the youth kind of roast the older generations like your generation roast my generation, for example, I'm a Gen Xer, it forces Gen Xers to really consider what's valid and what's not. And those people, because the thing that most people don't talk about is that as men, we should be lifelong learning. Yeah, we go to college or yeah, we read books and we do certain things, but after we get into the workforce, we still have to learn, we still have to educate ourselves because we have to adapt. We live in a world that it requires adaptation and that's not something new, that's something that's thousands of years old. So I think that the problem that we have today, at least in some portions of the Manisphere is that we have this multi-generational gap where the old people are making fun of the young people and don't realize the great things that these young people bring to the table and a lot of younger generations make fun of the older generation for no other reason than they're old. Yeah, old GDJ. I would argue that from what I've heard, some of the purest, most brutal red pills will come from like a red pill grandpa. Yep. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like the greatest generation in World War II kind of like enlisted when he was 17, had the classic old school. Going from that to looking at the world now, it really is like you're from a different planet basically if you're not far we've come and that's like the classic red pill. If you really look at it like the way things kind of used to be, but- I agree with you from a technology standpoint, but it's funny when you said that it reminded me of the Sam Elliott scenes in We Were Soldiers when they were saying, you guys are all family and Indians and stuff. I don't know if you guys saw the movie, but then Sam Elliott's the grandfather who was in World War II when he's like the sergeant and he looks over and he goes, he goes, any one of you sons of bitches calls me grandpa and I'll kill you. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, it's been a good stream. I think I started winding down. It's been over two hours now. I really appreciate having all of you on the show today undead, you know, both of you guys, everybody DDJ coming back. You know, like I told you undead, like I don't mind getting roasted and you know, criticized and shit. It doesn't matter to me. Either you're right and you're right or you're wrong. So it is what it is. Well, you don't really, I was, I mean the only, it's not really your roast, it's more of a comment. Actually, you know what? It's not even worth saying. You don't make any, of your recent videos, I haven't seen them just like, what the, you know, and again, once you stroke my ego once by saying I have funny roasts, you pretty much bought a immunity to roast itch unless you have some extreme cockatry or some shit. I don't know. You're so funny about that guy again. Shit. He thinks I'm funny. If I, if I earn a roast, please feel free to roast me. Like if I earn it, you know, in your opinion, go ahead and I need to take it. You know, it's part of what I mean is stronger. Usually what I'll do is like, if I'm in a YouTube relationship with someone, me, I stream to them once and didn't like end in a, you know, ad home attack. If they make some kind of like cut shit, I disagree with, usually I'll send them an email, you know, I'd be like, Hey, I just kind of, you know, but um, I think it's pretty reasonable too. And don't do that with me a long time ago. Well, people do. Yeah, no, I know, right? You totally did it. Yeah. I think what the big thing is, especially roasting is if I just focus on just managing, because it's easy to roast any, I ain't gonna focus on anybody, but like if I'm gonna roast specific managed fear content creators, and that's all I end up doing in general, who am I helping out? I'm helping out the left. I'm helping out feminists, right? So it's like, you really got to piss me off some cockatree, but I do, you know, we need to jump back to some just feminist roasts, some thoughts and whatever, but no classics. I think you're pretty cool. I mean, like again, like this, yeah, you've done enough research for me and for me and ribs to roast. I feel like I owe you some Dogecoin or something. Thanks man. Definitely. And here's the thing too, Dream, to have a disagreement to be like, well, well, we thought this, we thought that you acknowledged it and you're like, you know what, these guys seem like they have some stuff to say. We're both obviously opposed to CME and Donah Cuck. So we're gonna unite forces and bounce some ideas around at the end of the day. It's like a real man could be like, hey, we disagree on some things, but agree on others. So yeah, whereas all the CME guys, they're aware of our roasts. Like they just like Greg Adams and a bunch of the others, they'll indirectly reference being chronic in our videos without actually reaching out to us or wanting to have a stream with us or even acknowledging it because they're just buttered about it rather than actually being like, oh look, we've exchanged some differences. You know, we'll talk it out. So yeah. The reason they're passive aggressive towards you like that, not naming you but referring to you is because they're scared of you. They can't handle the heat. They can't handle the comedy. It's literally your roasts are too intense. They get scared of you. Which I think it's just kind of funny because like if someone goes and all these guys making response videos with their cartoon avatars, they're talking about two people. Like who the fuck are you talking about? Come on. Who are you talking about? Is that like an undead cuck somewhere? Making fun of you? Please show me. Well anyways guys, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a great stream. I really appreciate it. I think everybody's enjoyed it too. There's been a lot of chat going on here. Yeah, good job. I'm sure we'll be in contact. Thanks for the invite. Maybe have you guys. Nice meeting you gentlemen. Everybody here is welcome back. We'll do another stream at some point. Maybe when CME falls apart into a roasting flame of. Oh yeah, that would be a hell of a thing. I'll have to raise some alcohol. I think it's just going to fall apart from what I'm hearing. So that's kind of funny. Oh it's cool. You might just try and keep the money and run. They got to watch it. DDJ pointed out, DDJ did a video on that man. It's like they have no refunds even if the event isn't held, which is crazy. Oh man, do they can make anything up then? We'll be like, oh, something happened. We're not able to make it at this time. There goes your money. God damn. Okay, Ruby. Okay, Ruby, let's hop on out of here. We'll take the rest of those dudes tonight. He needs to see his fucking family. All right, thanks for having us guys. Take care, guys. See you guys later. See you guys next weekend on the Redman Group, most likely. Peace out and DDJ, Ruby. Everybody, thanks. Peace.