 Okay, I just want to start by reading the words of the Lord. When you had this conversation with the woman at the well, in John chapter 4, John chapter 4 and verses 23 and 24, I think it's a well-known scripture, Jesus says, what the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. Okay, so the scripture talks about the true worshippers who will worship the Father in spirit and truth. It's qualifies by saying the true worshippers will worship in this manner. So it's not something, while it could be something external, but it's beyond that. It is in spirit out of the innermost being and in truth, which means that there is no pretense, there is no hypocrisy in the words that are being spoken or said in worship and in the condition of the heart and what we truly mean. There's no difference between that. Verse 23 also says, the Father is seeking such. The Father is seeking such. He's looking for such worshippers who will worship in spirit and in truth. So we learn a lot in that. Just that one verse that He's looking for the heart. He's looking for spirit led out of our innermost being or worship and He's looking for worship that is truthful, sincere and not superficial, not out of pretense. Okay, then verse 24, God is spirit and about the very nature of God. God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. So it's like a condition, a command, a qualifying statement saying that this is the quality or this is the qualification of those who want to worship Him, that they must worship in spirit and truth. Just a reminder, even as we go before God in worship, even as we have worship as a lifestyle, it's not just the corporate times of worship but even or not only dedicated times of worship, personal worship but also our life itself. When we worship Him through our giving, through our everything, through our acts of kindness, to our generosity, through our consecrated life, that it's a worship of spirit and truth. So let's pray, let's just dedicate ourselves to God. Father, we thank you Lord that this is the kind of worshipers that you are seeking, Lord. Oh God, may we be worshipers, Lord who will worship you in spirit and truth. Lord, may we be worshipers or God who are sincere and Lord worship you according to what's laid down in your word, God. And maybe Lord be the people who are worshiping out of our innermost being or God and out of our spirit or God as led by a Holy Spirit, Lord. And Lord, may we be people or Father God, Lord who will do this, who will recognize the fact that this is what you want, God. And because those who worship must worship in spirit and truth. And Father God, we pray that we will be mindful of this truth, mindful of this condition, God. Your desire, your expectation is that we worship you in spirit and truth and so enable us to do that, Father God. Lord, even as we draw near to you this morning, Lord, we draw near God as we are Father God. Lord, you know the condition of our hearts, O God. Lord, we don't try to be someone else of Father God. Lord, we draw near in truth, O God, and we worship you in spirit and truth, Father God. Yes, Lord, we just want to declare that you are who you say you are, God. Lord, we just want to lift your name, praise you, O God, for who you are, Lord. That you are, O God, the eternal one, O God. You are our loving savior. Lord, you are us, Lord, our Lord. You are the one who leads us, Lord. You are the one who guides us, so, Father God. And yes, Lord, we just want to thank you for all those times, O God, that you've led us, that you've guided us. Lord, we thank you for all those times, O God. Lord, for all the breakthrough of Father God, because you're all the, you're the God of breakthrough, O God. We're all, we thank you for all those breakthroughs that you've given us, God. And Lord, your desire is that we be true worshipers. Lord, enable us to be true worshipers all the time, Father God. All the time may our life be a life of true worship, Father God. Worshipping in spirit and in truth, O God. May we, may we be authentic people of integrity and truth, O God. May we be Lord proclaimers of truth, may truth be found on our lips and in our hearts, Father God. And, O God, in the motives of our heart, Lord, in everything within us, O Father God. May we be found in truth, may we be found in love, O God. Yes, Master, we, we commit ourselves to this, Lord. We thank you. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Okay, let's get started. So we're looking at winning, winning with people, right? Winning with people. And we saw that, you know, as, as leaders and typically as, as Christian leaders, leaders in church and typically in ministry, you know, people are part and parcel, you know, we cannot lead in a vacuum. We cannot minister in a vacuum. It involves people, right? Yes, there are different forms of ministry where, you know, maybe you can, we can be engaging with technology and so on. But ultimately it's about people, right? So we, we need to interact with people. We need to be, you know, we need to fellowship with people. And, and so once because we are the body of Christ. So we saw that in order to win with people or in order to, you know, lead in a successful manner where, you know, you're leading successfully and the others are also getting benefit out of it. So in order to win with people, you know, there are some, some things that we, we wanted to look at. And last, last we looked at how are in order to get ready to relate to people. We looked at a few principles, right? We looked at the lens, we looked at the mirror and the pain principle and so on. We looked at those. So today we are looking at another aspect when it comes to people. First is that what, what really prepares us to relate. And this is some, this is also something that will enable us, that will help us in relating to people in, in, it is a very important skill for us to have. Okay. A perspective and skill. That is that we need to be others centric. Okay. So what does that mean? That means that our focus, we need to have a focus on others. Okay. We need to esteem others. We need to, our focus needs to be on others. Okay. So we're going to look at a few principles, six principles to, to help us to focus on others. You know, the, the thing is that, well, again, just like in wanting to relate to others and preparing ourselves, you know, these are some things that, that come naturally, right? Maybe it's part, part of our temperament and personality. But again, it could be in a, you know, it could be in varying levels with different people. So it helps to grow with that. Right? So similarly here also, like we could be other focus, we're not saying that we are totally not, you know, we don't focus on others. But, but it could be in varying levels, right? Or maybe we could be in a place where we're saying, you know, because of our past experience and so on. We could be in a place where we're saying that, you know, we are concerned about ourselves. We put ourselves first more than others. And, and maybe it's because, you know, of us, right? Maybe it could be because people, you know, we didn't have much and we have that survivor mentality. So we just want to fight to get things for ourselves and irrespective of what happens to others and so on. Right? So we want to put others or put us first. We need to understand that, you know, by nature, by nature, we are self-centered to a large extent, right? Whether it's for survival, whether it's for, you know, personal growth or achievements and the world system is like that, right? We are constantly fed and nurtured in those philosophies, you know, that, you know, we need to get ahead, especially, you know, in the Asian countries and other, you know, developing nations that we need to get ahead. You know, that's the message that comes through, you know, if you're working in a corporate setting that it's like, you know, you need to kill the competition. You need to get ahead. You need to win no matter what the cost and so on, right? And so the focus becomes more and more about us inwardly rather than the other person, okay? You know, a small, you know, practical example is, well, if there's a, let's say if there's a class photograph or a group photograph in which you, you know, you also, you know, you're also there, natural tendency is to, is to see where we are first, right? If you look at any photograph, maybe, you know, it was a group, group, this thing and you took a selfie or your natural tendency is to look at how you are, how you are first, right? How do you look and then to the others, right? Very rarely do we look at all the others and look at us first, okay? So that's, that's how we are wired, right? We look at ourselves first and how we are doing and are we, you know, are we getting enough? Is there enough for us and self-preservation and security and all that comes to us naturally? Now that's a healthy thing as well, right? Because unless you take care of yourself, you can't take care of others, right? So that's, in the sense, say, if you are not functioning well, then how can you reach out and help others, right? So there's a healthy way of looking at it. But there is a unhealthy way also in the sense that no matter what, I must come first, right? No matter what, my needs must be met first, right? And there's no concept of sacrifice and so on. But when it comes to relationship or teams, you know, when it comes to leadership, we must be other focused, okay? There's a, there's a book on, book on leadership by Simon Sainek and it's called The Leaders Eat Last, okay? I started reading it, I've not finished it, but it's, it's generally about putting people first, you know, and as leaders, of course, we know that he's a secular, you know, author, and so on. But then, you know, these principles we see are from the word, right? Okay, so let's look at the first one, first of the principles, you know, it is the big picture principle, okay? The big picture principle, which means that, you know, like someone said, the entire population of the world with one minor exception is made of others, the entire population, which means that there's a whole lot of people out there and actually, I, me, myself is a minority, right? It's made of others. So we need to learn to look at the big picture. You know, there's a popular cartoon, I was trying to get that, I didn't get around to it. It's called Peanuts, Charlie Brown, and Charlie Brown is one of the characters, and then Lucy is another character, and they are in the playground, kids in the playground, and Lucy's on the swing, and Charlie Brown says, do you know that the sun actually goes around the world? The sun revolves around the earth, and then Lucy says, really? All this while, I thought that it revolved around me, okay? So that is, that is how it is, right? Everything revolves around me. It's about me. This whole life is about me. It's about, you know, me living this out and me, you know, reaching this, and it, and to some extent, you know, it is, yeah, it is true, but then it becomes a whole lot about, completely about us, I, me, and myself, right? And there's no room for anything else, anyone else. And then we realize that having that attitude is a great hindrance when it comes to relating to people, okay? Friendships, other relationships, you know, even marriage, courtship, marriage, all that, it becomes very, very challenging, because you're constantly self-centered, selfish, and there's no room or place for others, and others are not, you know, esteemed, right? Others' opinions do not matter. Others' needs do not matter. It's all about us, and it's very difficult to get along with such a person, where, you know, your needs matter most, or, you know, one's opinions matter the most, if one's needs matter the most, if one thoughts what needs to be given importance, and so on, right? So we need to have a big picture that I'm zooming out, and then I see that there are a whole lot of people around me, there are a whole lot of needs around me, right? So this will help us to begin to focus on others. We look around, we look around at people, we look around at, you know, lives that we are connected to, lives that, you know, that people who serve us and who depend on us as well, and then we realize that, okay, there's a big world out there, right? There are people out there, and it's not just me, and then we open our eyes to see that there are others as well. Philippians 2 verses 3 and 4, let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind, let each esteem others better than himself, okay? Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. So verse 3 says, let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, you know, especially when it comes to, you know, leadership, especially when it comes to, you know, a position of spiritual leadership or even otherwise, let nothing be done through selfish ambition that I be promoted and I advance, and I'm using all the others in order to promote me, right? Promote my agenda. Now that would be selfish ambition or conceit or pride, you know, let everyone else do their thing in order to feed my pride or feed my ego, right? And it's very clear that the rebuke is let nothing or the exhortation is let nothing be done, okay? Let nothing be done, even if we think that, okay, you know, this is a minor thing, it's okay, you know, it's for a, it's okay, you know, to be selfish for a little bit. No, it says let nothing be done through selfish ambition, let nothing be done through conceit or pride, but in lowliness of mind, okay? So it doesn't matter whatever the position or title or responsibility or, you know, the level of influence that we might be carrying is saying let, in lowliness of mind, let each esteem others better than himself, okay? Because there are things in others, because when we put ourselves first, we are actually blind to the qualities that others might have, the skills the others might have, right? The giftings that others might have, right? And we fail to notice them in the first place, and because we fail to notice them, we fail to really value and appreciate that as well, okay? So true Christ likeness, or as we grow in Christ likeness, spiritual maturity, a mark of it is that we become other focus, because the Lord Jesus himself said that, you know, I have come not to be served unto, but to serve others and give my life a ransom for many, right? So that's the Lord's, you know, that's the Lord's perspective, and Philippians again too talks about that, that let this mind be in you, which was in Christ Jesus, who though he was Son of Man, Son of God, he actually humbled himself to the point of death, right? So he humbled himself, made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant and coming in the likeness of men, and humbled himself to the point of death, even the death of the cross, and therefore, God has highly exalted him, right? So to have that mindset, okay? Now it's easy when others are also humble, and others are also, let's say, docile, you know, or others are talking well of us, they are also easy to get along with, and you know, they get along with you well, then it's, then this, it's easier, right? It's easier, but when that is not the case, right? When people are difficult, when people oppose our views, when people look down on us, when people don't agree, are not in agreement with us, then it is, it becomes difficult to practice that, right? To think of others in lowliness of mind, let each esteem others better than himself, and the fact is that the Lord Jesus, you know, he did this under the most difficult of circumstances, right? It was not an ideal circumstance, it was his own creation was rebelling, his own creation was not acknowledging and receiving him. So, excuse me, but yet he did that anyway, he had this mindset, he humbled himself, right? So, so also with us, okay? And the Lord will teach us, the Lord will teach us, do that in the right way, right? Do that in the right way, you know, without, you know, because there's a right way of doing it, right? Without giving up, without compromising on truth, and so on, right? The second verse 4, it says, let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also, you know, there's so much in not only and but also, not only, which means that it's, it's okay to take care of your interests, right? You, your needs, your, maybe it's people surrounding you, immediate family and so on, so it's, it's okay, right? Not only, which means it is fine, but it says go beyond that, go beyond yourself, go beyond your needs, right? Go beyond, you know, what you, what you want, what you need, go beyond that says, go beyond yourself, right? Not only look out for his own interests, but also for the interests of others, there is that, but also following the not only, so let's be reminded of that, okay? Yes, my needs are taken care of, I'm just ensuring that, but there is a but also, right? But also for the interests of others, so even as we take care of our own needs, let's also, let's also be mindful of the others, let's also be mindful of the interests of others, okay? So with this also, this, so this is the big big picture principle, so in the big picture, it's not just us, but in the big picture, there are others, others who are part of, you know, our lives, others who, you know, we are put to take care of others who we are put there, God wants us to serve, God wants us to help, God wants us to, you know, be an example to, and which means that we need to consider them, we need to esteem them better than ourselves, okay? Okay, so that's, that's one. The second one is the exchange principle. Now, this again, practical wisdom, right? To, you know, there are two kinds of views, right? One is the first and foremost, and the most natural thing is our perspective of things. We view things from a certain vantage point, right? And we see others from our perspective, okay? So maybe our team members, maybe our colleagues, maybe, you know, people, neighborhood, everything we see from our perspective. So the exchange principle is be willing to view things or the world from their perspective, because their perspective, you know, it just means that try to put yourself in others shoes, like, you know, the saying goes, you know, try to walk a mile in other people's shoes, right? I'm sure that, you know, when we look at our footwear, it is comfortable, you know, after walking, you know, using that, you know, using our shoes or slippers, whatever, for some time, it is actually kind of because of our weight and all that, it's kind of shaped for our feet, right? And nowadays, you have shoes with memory foam and all that. So it's very comfortable. It's shaped, it just makes that, you know, our walking and running very, very comfortable. It just shapes and allows our feet to fit in, right? And what happens when we wear someone else's footwear? Okay, so immediately you realize, you know, even if you try and let's say, you know, there's a gathering where you need to, you know, take your shoes off and you come out and then you wear something which is, which looks like yours or it's similar, you know, design and color and everything and you wear it and then you realize, hey, this is not mine. It's not fitting me properly or that, even if it's the same size, you know, that contours or everything inside that sole, you know, that's so different and you don't feel comfortable, right? And the thing is this, you don't want, you immediately take your feet out. You don't want to walk in it, right? So the thing is when we try to walk in other people's shoes, meaning their challenges, right, their circumstance, whatever's bothering them, troubling them, you know, whatever is going on in their life, in their circumstance, then we begin to understand, okay, if I, if I begin to even think, okay, what like, then we understand, okay, this is a challenge and then so it's, we are able to excuse certain things, right? Overlook and we are also able to understand, empathize with where they're coming from, right? So it's, it's, it's very important. Like, I know someone who is, you know, who's lost, completely lost vision in one eye, right? So she's a senior person and she's also one eye is completely gone, completely blind and then she has other, other things, you know, with challenges with mobility and so on. So sometimes I'm, you know, I'm like, you know, why can't she just get up and walk and she needs to exercise and she needs to keep herself healthy and all that. But then I realize her age, I realize her, you know, her muscles being, not being strong because of, you know, mis, I mean, disuse rather and more importantly, you know, this, this lack of vision in one eye and so I know the, you know, and tried walking, you know, I tried living with, you know, for some time with this one eye close, it's, it's difficult, you know, you lose peripheral vision completely in one side and that's not a comfortable thing. It's not a comfortable thing to walk on the road or to walk with one eye, you know, you don't know what's coming here, you don't see a hand here, whereas you can see it here and so it's completely knocked off you and then compound that with, you know, age, compound that, it becomes, it becomes difficult. So, so similarly, you know, when you look at others and their perspective, you know, why is that person behaving like this? Why is that person? So, you know, doing this saying this, then you begin to understand, hey, there is a reason for this, right? There is a reason. And then we begin to, you know, we begin to empathize, right? And I'm not saying that we excuse their bad behavior or excuse their, you know, lack of commitment, no, but we begin to understand and from that place of understanding, we can actually address it, right? And I remember meeting someone, and this was actually in one of our, you know, what we have in church as a, as a kind of a lunch for newcomers, right? Where newcomers to church, let's say, for the past three months, is invite them over for a meal. So, they get to meet the leadership of the church, the pastors and leaders and so on, and also interact and get to know about what church is about. And it's a fun time, you know, you just get to know about division and so on. And then during one such time, I, I realized there's this young guy who was very rude in his, you know, in his behavior with, in his whole interaction, you know, he would put people down and it was just a game that everybody was playing, but then he was very, he was coming across as very brash and very rude and so on. So, I mentally made a note of it, you know, this is a rude guy. Then I think over many years, I kind of, you know, because I'm from a different, you know, worship at a different location. So, who didn't really, was not really in touch with this person. And then, and then after many years, okay, got in touch with this person again, and then he started coming there and then got to know about his life, the kind of struggles, the kind of challenges and, you know, everything, the disappointments and the broken relationships and all that. And then realized, you know, the way he is, he's a, you know, he's not been addressed. And so, all this hurt and pain and everything is carrying and therefore, he's behaving that way. So, I was able to understand that. Well, without excusing his behavior, you know, not making a change in that, not compromising on that. Yeah, as far, you know, if there's anything to do with lack of integrity, you know, immorality, we don't excuse that. But we understand, okay, this is, this is the reason. So, I understand that. But, and that empathy gives us, I'm just, you know, I'm just steering off a little bit, but that empathy gives us a, you know, bridge to interact. That empathy gives us, you know, an opportunity to, for conversation and or dialogue. Right. And the person is able to open up because they know that you understand. Okay. So, so this is one thing which helps us to relate to people, even better, right, which helps us to understand people, which is valuable in relating to others. You know, while we are talking about being other focus, this will help us a practical way. What are the challenges that they are going through? What season of life that are they in? And so on. Right. And, and the, and the good way to do it is not to, you know, condone any bad behavior or bad attitude, condone meaning, you know, approve, you're not approving it. Right. At the same time, we are empathizing why they're doing what they're doing. Okay. So, there's a difference. Right. Okay. So, Romans 12 10 be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love in honor, giving preference to one another. Okay. So, they exchange principle. Okay. Okay. We'll, we'll have some time for questions, but we'll just look through the other a couple or more at least. The third one is the learning principle. Okay. So, the learning principle also enables us to be other focused. So, this principle is that any, everyone. Okay. Everyone or anyone can teach us something. We can learn something from them if we let them. We can learn something about them. We can learn something from them in our interaction. If, if we are open, if we let them. Okay. So, which means that we need to have that drive the desire to learn, to learn something that is good from, from life situations. Okay. So, we need to have that openness. We need to have that desire. Okay. And it come, it can come from the unlike list of sources. It need not be, you know, people who know God, no, it can be like Jethro, Jethro being the, you know, for father-in-law Moses who, who did not actually was not a worshipper of Yahweh, right? But he acknowledged that, you know, Yahweh has blessed Moses and everything. And he acknowledged that, but he was not a worshipper. But he comes out with that important principle of delegation in leadership. And he's the one who actually tells Moses, you know, this is what you must do, right? You're tiring yourself out, hearing the people's complaints, and you're just one man. How can you do that? You raise up leaders and appoint people who will take care of tens and, you know, and then the, the delegation principle, we see the Jethro is actually, you know, impartial, just instructing Abraham and Abraham, I'm sorry, Moses. And then Moses goes ahead and does that. So we see that it can come from the most unlike list of sources, right? So, but if we would be open, we can definitely learn. And this also helps us to take our focus off ourselves. And it's, it not only enriches us, but also enables us to, you know, interact with others and learn from others. Okay. And I was just looking back and thinking of people whom I know from the immediate circle. And, you know, if you look at, you know, if you just think, there's something that you've learned from them. I was just realizing that I said, something that I've learned from them, things that I've, they have said, or they outlook to life the way they worship, you know, the way their relationship with God, right? Something that you learn. If at all you, if not, you know, how to do things, at least you learn how not to do things. They can teach you that as well. So something we can learn from others, right? And so humility is required to learn. Humility is required to learn. And humility means being, being open, right? Being willing to receive. I'm sure you know that story of, you know, this, this king was very tight-fisted, very stingy, but, you know, he would, he would not, he was not known for generosity at all, right? He would, he would take, never give, very stingy. And then one day he goes on, he's on horseback and he's riding and his horse stumbles and he falls into this river. And he's unable to help himself. So the minister is saying, oh, king, you know, give me your hand, give me your hand. And then the king is like, no, he's not used to giving anything. So he says, no, I can't, I won't give, you know, of course it's a fictional thing, but then he says, give me, give me. He says, I can't give. Then the minister thinks, then he says, oh, king, take my hand. And then the king reaches out immediately and holds his hand and then he pulls him out. You know, the principle is this, that, you know, we need to reach out. We need to be open in order to, you know, receive something, right? So this principle, learning principle, like, you know, we will definitely gain from a relationship with others. You know, if we have an arrogant attitude, that arrogant attitude is, okay, no one can teach me anything. You know, I'm my own. I can teach. And that's not what, that is not biblical at all, right? I remember meeting a, meeting a pastor who said, you know, he was like a one-man show, right? He said, I just asked him, would he like to be prayed for? No, because there was another person and man of God. Then he said, no, no, it's okay. You know, I have direct connection with God. So he didn't want to be prayed for a minister to, right? Because this was, I think, a prophetic ministry. So then we asked, you know, do you like to be prayed for? And then he said, he refused. So, you know, someone like that, okay, I don't want anyone to teach me, to help me, to minister to me. So that's an arrogant attitude. The very reason that you see five-fold ministry in the church is that, well, people can be raised up, okay, for people to be taught to minister, right? To be all the saints to be taught to minister. And which means that we need to be able to receive, learn in order to give, in order to grow, right? So it's a very unbiblical thing, unscriptural. So it's an arrogant attitude. The other one is a very simplistic, naive attitude that, you know, here you are as a teacher, and you can teach me everything that I need to know in life. That's a very, that's a very naive thing, right? It's, it's, it's not, that is also not, that is also incorrect, right? Well, some, there's a limit to be what people have, people know. And well, God uses them in certain ways. They have, they have, you know, technical know-how or life experience in one thing, but not in all things, right? So it's a very naive attitude to have say that, okay, this person can teach me everything that I need to know. So all I need to do is just latch on, let's just see this person can teach me everything. That's a very naive attitude. A teachable attitude is that, well, everyone can teach me something. Now, that's the right attitude to have that everyone can teach me something. It can, and like, like we said, it can come from the most unlikeliest of sources, right? And the Lord will use such people to bring something into our lives. And we need to be able to, you know, we need to be able to focus on that, be open to that, you know, to receive, and it could be some amazing, valuable lessons, life changing even, right? And I remember, you know, when I was living a very double life, a very carnal life as a believer. And, you know, weekdays I used to travel on work and stay in hotels and so on, and live a completely different life from that of a weekend, right? And weekends I'd be home, and in church. So I remember once that when I came back from such a trip and back, and then it was a vacation Bible school, and it was that weekend, they put a lot of things on display, and with kids that put a lot of things on display, they put charts and paintings, and I think I remember sharing this. So one such kid just looks at me, and then looks, I was asking her to explain, you know, what she drew. And then she went on to explain, she just looked into my eyes and said, Lord, you know, Jesus can forgive everything uncle, you know, he can forgive, he loves us and he forgives us. And, you know, the Lord used her to, I was just listening to her, and I just couldn't stand there, I had to rush out, because I was just, you know, beginning to cry. So, and the Lord used her. So the most unlikely is the sources. It was a kid's thing, you know, putting up displays of, you know, paintings and models and everything that they had done, and during that VBS, and they put that on display on Sunday, and then boom, here it is. So God speaks. So we need to have a teachable attitude. Well, that was a saving moment for me, and the Lord was drawing me closer through those things. So it can be, it can be impartation of wisdom, it can be so many things, right? And we might miss out, and we might close the door on that, if we have an arrogant attitude. We see that the Lord Jesus learned, even as he grew up, when Luke chapter two talks about that, right, he grew in wisdom and in stature, and he learned things as he grew up. Paul, in his silent years, obviously, right, we don't know much about it, but then he grew in knowledge and wisdom, right? And so much learning comes, even as we, even as we have an attitude, which is open, where we say, okay, God, you teach. Of course, we know that, you know, we don't swallow everything. People just put across, as believers, we have the Holy Spirit in us, who, spirit of revelation and wisdom, and the Word of God, you know, in us. And so we can discern, right, and the whole, if you would allow what is right, what is good counsel, we discern that, right, and we receive it. Okay, so as we spend time with people, as we spend time with people of, maybe, who are, who have gone further on, you know, in their life experience and spiritually mature, spiritually gifted, and so on, as we spend time, learning is also, you know, we learn by observation, of course, we learn, but it's also something that is intentional in the sense, in our interaction with them, in our asking of questions, right, in our asking of questions, and at the appropriate time, of course, and in asking questions, there is a lot of learning. Okay, so we see that the learning principle. So why are we looking at these things so that we can be others focused, right? The learning principle also helps us, because if we interact with people and say, okay, what is it that I can learn from this interaction? What is it that I can learn from this person? Maybe we can ask, and then we learn something, and something new, and it becomes a very enriching life, right, and so we don't see people as, you know, people, we don't have to look at people as inconveniences or, you know, we don't have to really, you know, tolerate, but it can be an enriching experience, right? Okay, then let me see what is it about the, okay, we look at it this probably after the break. Any questions so far or anything that you might want to share right now? We looked at three of these principles, focusing on others. Any questions or any personal experience before we move on? Anything? No, I think we have experienced all this, but it's very nice to actually, you know, picture this as learning when we talk about people. It's quite interesting that we can actually learn from this. Right, yeah, that's true. So true, because then, yeah, then we don't look at, you know, interaction with people as inconveniences, and then, I mean, that was the last one that we saw, but also the other two also, yeah, that's true. Yeah, Divya, you have a question, please, go ahead. Yeah, Pascha, I just wanted to share something. Yeah, especially what you just said regarding the humility that we need in order to, you know, even look at others and learn. However small, I really loved the experience that you had that you shared. Yes, I also had a time in my life, you know, when I couldn't, the identity crisis was so big for me, and but, and those times, even if for well-meaning people say things that are good, I couldn't accept it, you know, I would take it as criticisms, like very negative, but by God's grace, yeah, God helped me understand, you know, the right perspective to look at myself, and that helped me in turn to, you know, look at the even positive, like constructive criticisms, get that, and to think what I can change, to look not at the, you know, the way they say or the phone they use or, you know, the mode they have used, but look at the subject or the topic that they're trying to address. Yeah, that really helped me so much. So one great takeaway is that humility is so much required for us to look at others and learn, as well as to look at our own, you know, if there are things that are wrong on our part, even accept it and admit it and just go on, just improve on that. So there's so much of freedom in that, but when we do not understand that, we hold on to those things that really prevent us from. Yeah, so true. Yeah, yeah, so just wanted to share that. Right, thank you, thank you. Yeah, so true. The other thing is humility before people who are not humble, you know, that's the difficult thing, right? To be humble before humble people is easy. To be humble before people who are not so humble, that's going to take Christ to us, right? Yeah, that's the thing. Okay, we'll take a break and then we'll come back. Yeah, thank you.