 معاہد وقت پر حضرت ہی جانتے ہیں۔ ہمارا جو تردیف ہے جیدی باسوز ہے، صدان دینی ہے، اور میرا اس کے عرجون ہے۔ اور سب سے جو آنا جانتے ہیں، اس کے لئے بارے کے نام تتادت مکر جی۔ ہمتاہد اپنی کی آنڈنی روزی ہے۔ عرجون 2011 کے جہدانی جو بہتی ہے۔ ہمتاہد ورہا جانتے ہیں۔ ہمتاہد ورہا جانتے ہیں۔ مجھے آنڈنی کے مناہد اپنی جانتے ہیں، تتادت ہی جانتے ہیں۔ ہمارے بھی سوپر ہی جانتے ہو گئی۔ اگر یہ حیات ہے۔ کچھ سوپر زیادہ بہت زیادہ بہت ہوتا ہے۔ سب سے بہت ہی نہیں ہے۔ بہت بہت پوڈی بھی کہ یہ جو آج کسی بہت نئے بہت بہت دیکھتے ہیں۔ جو آپ کو مجھے آج کا حروہ ہے۔ آپ کو کہتے ہو سر ہمیں پڑھا نہیں چلتا کہ آپ کی بڑیو کب آ رہے ہیں۔ یا ہیڈن سیک چلتے رہتا ہے آپ کے ام بیچ میں اور ہمارے بیچ میں. تو ہم نے بڑی خائی ہے تو میں شپت بولوں گا نی پر آتے ہیں ہم لوگ یہ ٹھیک کر رہے ہیں کہ ہر سندے ہم کوئی کھالاکت ساتھ لائے گے 4 پی ایم بھرذہای نہیں او 2 پی ایم اللی ملک ہے؟ مجھے عادیو لگتا ہے یا بھر Yes اس کیا؟ خیلی دی؟ یا آپ خیلی Yeah yeah 2 پی ایم ہم جو سندے دیگرہاکت تاکہ آپ دیگرہاکتے ہیں جو آپ کی بہنے کھکتے ہیں ایک کافی طایم پہلے ہوگا تھا بچہ تردکشن اپنے پورنرز کے لیگ ایلیگ will of course have 3 plus 1 from the coming season the ISL will have 3 plus 1 from the next season that means the season after وہاں سے 3 plus 1 کا لگو ہو جائے گا rule change as far as foreigners is concerned تتحقت I'll get straight to you 3 plus 1 پہ آئے میں نیشنل تیب کی بات کر رہوں تو ISL کا ہمیں اگر مدن اظر رکھ دیوے ایلیگ ایک سال پہلے ہو گیا 절대 مضحہ نوشہ I'll get direct impact on the national team کیا سردنیلی the fortunes of the team will change کہ ہم نے team foreigners گرا دیئے بیکے عرجان اوگر You're expecting immediately اکی the changes start reflecting in the national team's performance it will not happen اگر انہیں تہیی بڑی because it's the long term game اگر آپ چیزا پہلے دن آگا میں بہتکہ جائے بہتے ہیں کیاند någonting دریو av کارا Oi تو و kennt 거예요 ٹھیک سدري پیش Talent ٹھیک ہے ٹھیک ہے tires Nay تو ا نہیں تک نیست wahrscheinlich جو اُس جاننی کیوں کہ لیکن card You are playing 3 plus one and one and you are not playing 3 plus one. لیکن you know the 3 plus one card will always know that I am going to play for all the 90s because at the club level you are trying to win games and that's what is most important for the club level coaches. drauf ، if you want to really balance the complete comps even though 3 پلس one and give indian play a chance to play more games you need to allow more foreigners to be sent, 5 or 6 whatever 3 پلس one and possibly start with using a number of foreigners from the following seasons اپنے ایک کمانای کیا مجھے بھی جاتا ہے۔ پھر مجھے دوسرا آگی۔ 10 سال پہلے ہمارے پاس اچھے دفندہ تھے۔ آج سندیزنگ اور سمجھر دفندہ۔ اس کے بعد کون؟ نام نہیں آتے۔ انہس کو انہوں نے ریٹیمنٹ سے نکال کے لکے آئے۔ پھر انہس سے پیلے ہمارے جانتے ہیں۔ اگر ایشایہ کے 29 دیتا ہے۔ ایک حال میں جانتا ہوں۔ بھر نہیں جانتا ہے۔ ساتھ آنا پہلے کیا، осی طلب کو خلال کرنے کا تکسی بہت سکی ہے ، بھر ہم نظر طلب کیا، نظر کے ساتھ رکھنے کے ساتھ ایک کامیار میں آپ ایک نظر کے لئے دیکھ لیے مکن آجی ہے جو ایک کامیار میں try ایک جو کوئی کامیار میں دیکھ لی بھی ہے کیوں کہ انہوں کوں میں کوئی کامیار میں could not see that changing in the structural even if you go to three plus one absolutely and that is where the problem is may be in the eye you reduce even more افتر the new structure that has been announced by ASL is occupying the top spot the second tire and the third tire league and unfortunately I league is right now the second tire league based on the announcement maybe reduce the foreigners even more over there so allow players like strikers or defenders to develop in the lower leagues and then possibly fight it out in the top but you know what sorry guys I'll just get you in بہت اتا تاظت اگرومنٹ اگرومنٹ ہے. میں تو آنسلی آپ کو سشمہ بتا ہوں. میں ایک دوز سے بات کر رہا تھا. میں کہہ رہا تھا کہ this whole pandemic that is played out of course and of course you know what's happened is happened and we're really sorry for what's happened and we hope it doesn't continue for too long but it might have a positive impact on the league going forward foreigners are not allowed to enter your country then you might see an all-indian team playing in the i-league and you might be forced into doing it so you might be forced into playing that one season اور پھر آپ کو یہ تو اچھا ہو رہا ہے because ان کی نظریہ سے یہ ہے کہ جب تک ہمارا اینڈین پلیر فورنر کے ساتھ نہیں کھیلے گا وہ امپروف کیسے ہوگا دیکھیں ارنام this is a force change right it will happen in this season I was having a discussion on the ISL teams this week this year you will see a lot of radical changes but these are force changes what is important is the sustainable change in the following years as well اگلے سال پندمیک نہیں ہوگا پھر سے کھول جائے گا تو فورنرز آ جائیں گے تو آپ کیا رول تو ایسی رہے گیا and as a club I will like to take advantage of the rule if it's 3 plus 1 today and not be allowed if foreigners are not coming into the country یہ سال کیا ہے اگلے سال کیا ہے جیتی سر میں تو وہی کہہ رہا ہوں کہ آپ نے اس سال آپ کو force کر دیا کیا ہے for some reason I'm assuming کہ فورنرز نہیں کھیل رہے آپ نے پورا لیگ چلا لیا without foreigners and آپ نے کہا that the league has functioned the way it would normally functions I mean the teams are still pretty tight the quality of football might dip in braces because certain individuals are not playing in U11 but if you realize that look I don't think we need 3 foreigners or 4 foreigners in every playing 11 it might just benefit the ISL کی چھوڑی نہیں رہا کیوں کہ ISL کا گیم علاگ ہے آپ تو وہاں پہ audience grab کرنے کیا try کر رہو who don't even follow football آئیلی کا تو وہ سسٹم نہیں نا وہ تو کئی بادر پوری یا جنگل پور کی جنگل میں کھیل رہا ہوں گے کہیں نا گئی point تو وہی ہے کہ آپ لیگ چلا رہے ہوں بھی سر that is true at the same time see first of all we are discussing about 3 plus one I don't think ISL has got it 3 plus for now ISL has only said they will play 4 foreigners from next year not that they will play one foreigner from the AFC AFC country only it's not that 4 foreigners and they will be recruiting 6 foreigners and at the same time should we at least I will ask that since he was he was also in the All India Football Federation is it to some extent 3 plus rule one rule which has come to the I leak okay let's let's take out ISL out of it to the I leak which the technical committee has taken a decision I think a couple of months ago about it is it a kind of knee jerk reaction how how necessary it is to follow the follow the AFC rules they have said it is up to the AFC rules but how necessary is to follow the AFC rules maybe there are teams in Japan there are maybe teams in other places who play with more foreigners and when they come to the AFC they play with 4 foreigners so this 3 plus one rule in which has come I am talking about I leak especially since it has come this season itself is it a knee jerk reaction will it really help I will not say it's a knee jerk reaction but it's a very convenient rule that has been adopted it's a fact that 3 plus one rule or 4 foreigners or whatever is only applicable when you play at the Asian or the continental level so you have every federation or every football association has the ability to decide how many foreigners are allowed in their leagues whether it's a top league second third league whatever so I mean saying that AFC is following that rule and it is a recommended thing I don't think that's the case and so you can also have 2 foreigners or no foreigners it's up to us so I think 3 plus one has been drastically reduced for the I leak I cannot really say what is the rationale behind it probably it's because the second one team from the I leak has a chance to play in Asia so I think that could be one of the reasons that they are going to play so you should atleast 3 plus one because the argument of ISN is that if you are playing 6 foreigners 5 foreigners suddenly you go to Asia and those 2 foreigners leave so you get tired somewhere پھر تو پھر آپ کوئی بھی فورنر ماتھ کھلہوں سے بھی AFC کے time پر continental level پے جا کے 4 فورنر کھلہ آپ کا quality بہتر ہی جائے گا so it's like this I am preparing throughout the year for the AFC competition I don't know any foreigners and the Indian players are getting great game time and during the AFC tournament suddenly 4 foreigners come and I get the coach has better options but they won't blend in than that I agree so I think there has to be some strong logic why we have to follow 3 plus one the technical rules I somehow don't understand why it is 3 plus one if you really want to develop the game for the clubs as well as for the national team atleast at the lower level reduce it as much as possible I will try to say one more thing Arjun in this that 3 plus one rule has been brought in it has been again and again said it has been done for the development of Indian players which Tathagat was just talking about that more and more Indian players will get is it a way to give Indian players more game time or you should look at things how to increase the number of teams in both the leagues so that the Indian players get more and more that should be the first priority of the technical committee instead of just copy pasting a rule which has come from AFC and say that Indians will get more and more I am sorry this conversation will go on but my brother is sitting there today he is reading the books behind the books because you have made that frame if you were the top boss of the federation and the decision making was in your hand then leave the ISO ILEAGUE and the divisions below کیا آپ کہتے کہ فورر نکالوں no foreigners all Indian teams playing we've talked about how we perceive the whole foreigner situation and that in an ideal situation it should be based on merit کیا کیا اگر آپ کو لگتا ہے کہ آپ کا ایک کسی بھی position میں in your team you have something falling short then you look for players from outside ideally in a country as big as India especially lower division clubs should be focusing on their own cashment area wherever they are based and in their sort of region maybe of course it can't be only that particular town or whatever it might be but in a very specified cashment area so that then your expenses are not skyrocketing you are not bringing in players just for the simple purpose of winning a particular league or just winning some games but you're creating an overall environment where local players are coming through the system getting a chance to play for a local club and fans are then supporting them etc so in this situation that doesn't happen that's when you need to import talent for players whether it's a Chandigarh Club importing talent for Manipur or from Europe or Africa or any other part of the world right so if I were the boss of the AFF God forbid ایسی نوپی کسی کو نہ لے سب سے پہلے تو ہمارا شو نیسی شو بن جائے گا پھر پہلے بنائے گا but I completely agree with what Jadip kind of quickly brought in because I would much rather have a bigger competition with 20 clubs and see that as the way to give Indian players a chance to play more game because even if you have this 3 plus 1 rule like we've discussed so many times the spine of the team will like anywhere you were saying just now as well the spine will remain imported talent and in the case where if in your squad you are only allowed to sign that many foreigners then ideally actually the competition I disagree with Tadagat on that point I think the competition should be from the Indian boys saying that we are better than these foreign signings that you brought in so we want to make a but that doesn't happen mind set sir mind set I guess they have brought in at much higher salaries they have brought in because they have played at a much higher level in their development like we are talking about you have to go back to grass suits then right جو 10,000 گھنٹے آپ کو لگتے ہیں اپنے پرنے میں before the age of 18 وہ ان لوگوں نے بتائے ہیں نا whether they are coming from structures that are based on the European continent or South America where like there is a lot of football going on and people are getting a chance to play comparative fixtures so having a 3 plus 1 rule without expanding the number of teams and the number of games each team is getting is not going to solve the problem and now because of the other structural changes that are coming in where we are creating that like licensing criteria for example I agree that licensing criteria is important to some extent and it needs to be followed because otherwise people will do whatever there has to be some criteria to pick but at the same time it precludes so many local clubs so many community based clubs from even entering the competition if you say that you can only play if you pay right that is always going to preclude tons of clubs across the country from playing football and therefore preclude players from getting game time as well so these are the changes that I mean would try to I mean make see because also there is a ladaai at the top you have to promote the top league so why someone will think about how to increase the league like the foundation how to increase it we are thinking about the top division I am saying what you are saying right now that the team has increased I am saying sir this is for you that according to the current situation tell me the situation is that suddenly your 16th and 18th team is not going to happen because you have the licensing criteria whatever it is you have to spend so much money so that will never happen so we have to decide that we want a television product or we actually opportunity to give 400 professional footballer today in India that 10 years down the line we want that number to go to 4000 it is a very clearly a different set of priorities سپلائی کہاں ہے پھر اور سپلائی میں جو چلنج آتا ہے کلوب اونہs at the end of the day they are thinking about winning the game about commercial sustainability وہ کہتے کہ میں اگر سو روپے بھی دی رہاو am i getting value for that so that is the clubs angle of it so clubs آپ کلوبس کے اوپر توست ہوئے کہ یہ نیشننٹیم کو جتانے کے لئے یا اس کا improvement کرنے کی لئے مجھے نہیں ہو you have to find a balance at the end of the day just by increasing you cannot create a shock in the market can I ask you so when you were of course with the dynamos and I'm just saying so for example 60 players are playing in the isl or 70 players are available in that entire isl thing do you suppose the dynamos ever thought that out of the 70 maybe a total of 100 players Indian players are good enough to play in that level کی صرف وہی پچاس ہیں اور میں بہار کئی جاتا ہوں تو وہ اس level کے لائق ہے ہی نہیں یا میرے کو talent ملتا ہی نہیں ہے بہت چالنج ہے بہت جانا چالنے if you see the dynamos اگر آپ دیکھو گے first season ہم نے draft میں کافی young players اٹھا ہے کافی سارے 121 I think we had 607 because you know with all due respect to Indian players at the end of the day ہمیں دیکھنا ہے کہ what is my ROI when I'm selecting a player ایک کروڈ دیکھے میں اگر player اٹھا رہوں تو I would expect I would get the service of a foreign player right one role in essentially the terms is 140,000 year's dollars which is like for a 10 month season is 14,000 year's dollars that's a lot I'll get a very good foreign player that trick so you have to understand the market economics as well so then you know we analyze and we said fine and he our owners wanted to build a project long so we decided we'll pick some young guys who we think we can more than it becomes easier yes now in that case وہ بیلنس کرنے کے چکر میں a performance is not that great and towards the end of the season every season in 1718 1890 we started doing well it's not only the foreign the Indians also started blending in and it is there for everyone to see last season what a wish I take one point one game away or one win away from qualify so it was paying off at the end so موٹا موٹا جیریف سر یہ ہے کہ it's the coming together of a lot of things a 3 plus one آپ کا نشنے تیم نہیں کرے گا بہت ساری چیزیں ایک تو ڈیمانٹ کے لے سپلائے بنانا آپ کا youth سسٹم آپ کو تھی کرنا پڑے گا local league آپ کو تھی کرنی پڑے گی so that's why how many youth level teams are coming into the system and even now we're seeing because I suppose also the pay-and-play model is one of the few models that people are finding is leading to the kind of economic sustainability that تتہگر was referring to so so therefore the youth clubs are increasing in number and I think the AFF is organizing inspections for for 15 new academies that want to be in paneled in the system so اگر آپ کا اپروچ گرونڈ اپ ہے تو like you're saying of course آپ ایسے شاکنی کر سکھتے کہ آپ نے پرمیر لیگ میں سردنی پاچ نئے کلب دل گئے کھا سا ہی نیو بھی ہے صحیح بات ہے you'll have to look elsewhere you'll have to look outside to bring in that that number of just workforce but at the ڈیلی level at the second division level the numbers can and and because it takes much less to get in at that level also if I own a club to play at the second division level or or a state league level state league need to be encouraged have more teams at the state level and so on and so forth one thing on this 3 plus one thing I think I think it's the rule that we have ایک بہت پر بہت آپ کو اپنے کارای کا حالت ہے کہ ایر Corporation indeی have دیکھ سکتے ہیں because it's a center of finance and the football business and with the biggest clubs which earn and therefore pay the biggest salaries so every ones goes and plays in Barcelona and Real Madrid and Manchester United and all these clubs notice I'm not mentioning the banner club that you have removed from your room مجھن پڑ91 10th place, 10th place this season maybe even lower they are playing the body کروالی کھلنے آرہے ہیں because of the number of people that want to overall go and live and work etc in Europe they had to restrict the number of foreign players and because of EU nationality everyone who is European in any case is a local player these kind of quotas have been borrowed from there without I don't think necessarily adapting them to the Asian or the Indian football ecosystem or environment in any way اوپر سے آرہا ہے تو آرہا ہے لیلیہ ہم نے اٹھا لیا ہم نے ویرول رکھلیا and plus people like us جو چلا دے رہ دے نا کیوں اتنے فارونہ کھلارے ہیں ہم لوگ کو چھوک کرنے کے لئے ہم لوگ کو بھی چھوک کرنے کے لئے maybe ہم تو بڑا پیار کی بولی بوڑھتے سر ہاں جی بڑا ہی سر but now it has become a long term plan actually you have to restart the arrows a few years back again because the problem that existed back 10 years back is still existing today so I think that is a long term project the academies or the AIF and academies itself were a good idea to start them at different regional levels but you know it did not continue for whatever reasons I don't know maybe it was financial or whatever so I think that was a long term game at the end of the day and it still is a long term game with the Indian arrows continuing today if you see the demand of Indian arrows players in the ISL and ID that kind of is a testimony to the success of that that was conceived way back in 2010 a decade ago come into Delhi Dynamos yes there was an element of lockdown planning with the first team yes we had to pick up young players young Indian players and they are producing results they are continuing with the club that is very very important but at the youth level what happened is we had to stay up with Aspire Academy and with Aspire is one of the best academies in the world sports academy not only football so we kept on sending some of the kids over there what has happened on the project I don't know currently with Odisha actually but some of the kids who have come back and they have started joining the first team Shubham is an example where of course he is not our product we cannot call our product himself Shubham is our product but at least after the rejection of the under 17 world cup we picked him up he was you know down completely mentally very down that I could not make it into the under 17 world cup team he was a Delhi boy and Odia so luckily he has fit into Odisha also so we sent him to Aspire and I think he played nine games nine international games over there so far 18 people are watching right now and two people have commented so I'm going to talk about them Kashyap Shahani saying now entire iLeague will be hosted only at one venue number of teams in the league can be increased by 3 to 5 جیدیو سر you want to take this so he has just got the business issues he will be back in a minute okay sir so 3 to 5 وہ کہہ رہے ہیں کشف 3 to 5 realistically کتنے سال میں بڑا سکتی آپ 3 to 5 چلو اس سال آپ کا ایک آپ کا آرے لائسنس کی طرف ایک team تو اگر آپ کو دو آر team بڑا نے میں کروں 3 let's keep a small number تو ہم نیوز 3 more 2 more years اور 1 more year I think they will not take more than 1 team a year I think آہ yeah that so I think it will take it 3 years and by 2024 جن they as far the as far the last year's that blueprint which they gave which of course they keep on changing if we if we if we then to iLeague and ISL both are joining hands and by 24 becoming one week yeah so so we are not sure what will happen in the next 2 years not one league is just a promotion relegation promotion relegation starts as we essentially you're one like like yeah yeah full structure so so what will be the character of the league one that is at the moment will be very difficult to say because league one might might have the character of the current league 2 a second division league also so I think from the next year they will not increase more than one team as far as possibly the only only scenario could be that it's a east mongol کا اِس ساتھ بند ہو گیا if they go away up to ISL then possibly the one more slot opens up and that possibly would be another license lot only it won't be someone coming on merit I'm guessing another another another point point is which is which I thought has become a weak point of Indian football that every time you wanted team you need an investor you just can't make a team and start playing football and play good football and coming you have to have a bit of an investor who has who can spend some money money only but that is also that is also to protect the team sir because as I know not you fold up suddenly at least an investor and money guarantees you that you'll have you know some succession over a couple of number years or something like that but that is true I agree with you but at the same time despite having investors the number of team folded up I think more than the teams who have folded up without investors if you look at it and the latest example is the co-assist one well hello I am not saying that east mongol of course that east mongol has folded up I'll be my house will be attacked I know the partnership but the partnership has folded up but you know you have seen what has happened to some long time we have seen what happened to just city to dame po to mafia club to leader club to mind United so many clubs because we can talk about the entire harood league in Bombay they all had investors not the investors in the current current way but they had their big big big backers copper backers and many of them have went back at least one of them had clearly told me once I am going out only because of the licensing criteria he told me very very clearly he says if I have if I have to have to have a separate separate balance sheet and that is going to invariably that is going to show losses as Indian football is and I cannot go back to my board of directors again and again and show them this what you call my balance sheet and they will start asking me that why are you running this team he said previously everything was hidden I was running the team on the on the on the protect stop it was only a company to me every all the expenses were hidden in it but now I am a separate entity and if the separate entity is not making money if the separate entity is continuously using money then my board of directors has a free right to ask me why are you spending so much on money my point sir so Tataqat welcome back I am sorry guys no no that's okay I think Shubham only cut the electricity at your house no no no I don't think so I think the moment he approached the discussion on cohesive swing he himself switched off the electricity I am very smart before I come back to you Tataqat just because we were taking we were only at two people who commented on the show it's so popular so I must give them that respect the second person is a dear friend of the show Mr.Ani this is for you his name is Anush Gupta my brother you might hopefully let's see if he sees the iLeague or not this season he is written it's important budget sanction for top 10 state association run senior division in this level the 18 to 22 year olds talent should get 30 odd matches which acts as the regional leagues promoted to the second division according to me the success in european and japan model has always been the competition at top regional level and the tier 3 for national level so basically say نیچے کا جو آپ کا جڑ ہے نا جناب جڑ میں پانی بڑا لو بنانے کے لئے اور کیسے مطلب اگر کوئی پھول اکتا ہے یا پتے اکتے ہیں ہوا میں تھوڑی اکتے ہیں جڑ سے یہ کہیں نا کہیں تو جڑ تا لگانی پڑھے گی نا اور ایسا بھی نہیں ہے کہ ایسی انڈیا میں پھر پھر پول کیلئے یہ کوئی مطلب یہ بہت کبھی سیکریٹ یا پہلے یہ نہیں ہوتا ہے لیکن دیتے ہیں لیکن دو دو بہت جو تیم ایک دیتے ہیں تدھاگت اگر بہت دیتے ہیں اللہ بہت جو دو دو دو لیکن دو دو دو دو بہت جو تیم بہت جو تیم اس以 upper than اتنا شوڑت ہے سب پوجانا ہیسے میرے ابھی طرح평 ہوئی�를 چ Geoff rescue پڑھارکای پھر間د ایسا گھر پہ سکرین کو دیکھ کر بولنا آسان ہے پر جو لوگ یہ ٹی میں جلارے اور میں تو کہہ رہا ہوں بہت کم پیسا ہے جو پیسے بھی نہیں دیتے کلنے کے لے بہلے تو ان کو رسپیکٹ دے نا چیے اگر بولو کہہ رہے ہیں جناب ہمار پاس پیسے نہیں ہے ہم ہم کہاں کہاں سے اکھٹا کر کے یہاں پہ دلی کیا آپ نے بات کری بلکل کرنا ہے پہلے جیسے پہلے لوکل لیگز کیسے چاہتے تھے لارڈ لارڈ لیٹ was ڈرن بھائے انسیٹیوشنر لیک جمون کسمی دیلی you know your your audit team for example so all the departmental teams that were allowed now تو انسیٹیوشنر تیمز are not even allowed to play yeah it's not that not in the league institutional league no no not in not in Delhi not in Delhi I'm talking about یہ ہمارے جو ناشن لیگز لیگز آن بے right so yeah so therefore which means that the armed forces where there is for example a culture of physical education physical training and they like to win things I mean they like to show that you know whether it's olympics sports or football or whatever right but they can compete so they can compete at the Santosh trophy for the national championship but they cannot in a league whereas you would remove I mean they would meet meet all your life anyway because they have the grounds they have the they have the financial where with all etc etc right but because you want to take ownership of top level clubs out of public hands and put it into private hands right yes yes the motivation to be in the business is to be in it for a for a profit motive then you obviously you're going to have a clash if you look at second division clubs in Spain Italy France Germany England even how much money do they make they require the championship in England relegated clubs require parachute payments of something with a few sixty million pounds they get a parachute payment I mean that's a figure that can run 10 years what one club receives so like the money تو تھی کہ ہم کرتے رہتے ہیں بات اس پارے میں but there are methods there are ways in which so the minute you've removed why am I talking about institutional teams because you've removed the load of wages from whoever is organizing that club if let's say four of us right want to play in a team we all have jobs we and we get the opportunity to play in a like for example my brother is playing in some new south wales he lives in Australia so he's playing in the third division of the new south wales league right he gets to train plus he gets two games a week now because seasons have been condensed so he's saying matter چاہر دن کھل رہا ہوں اف تھی رہا ہوں تو بات پوچھا ہے لائی چاہر but it's not his job so so playing football is also necessary not just from a professional point of view i think and of course we are talking top level national team بچاہر امپیک پڑے گا but جو امپیک پڑے گا وہ تو ہم کو پتا ہی ہے کہ short term is also agreeing تو سال میں تین سال میں تو نہیں ہونے والا ہے there is there is i think ارزین another thing which i believe but as we are talking about short term planning and which we all are all agree with the which in tandem that there should be long term planning like was telling us which all of us agree that is also short term short term investment in India that is also there because the people who are coming in with money they want they want they want their money back within a within a couple of years sometimes and they are very frustrated if the result is not coming they cannot be told that dustin میں ایک ہی جیتا ہے ایک ہی جیتا ہے یہ ہو نہیں سکتا تو teams will win it is not like 1968 indian olympic hockey team which had a joint captain that happened only once because of politics تو since i will ask again i am coming back to my favorite topic which is a short term investment in the current scenario does it think that indian investors are have any long term planning in their mind جرائیدو ہی جنرالیلئی سا ہم یہ اندن اندن انگیوستر ہم یہ جو ساکتا ہے بہت سبم جو جانوی غروپ جنر لیتا ہم جب تانہ زمانی ایک اندن اندن انگیوستر ایک جو جانوی اندن انگیوستر بلیتا ہے اندن اندن show so fun جب اندن show so fun جو ایک سالا کے ساتھ آپ کو اپنے شاہر کرنے کے لئے ، ایک آپ یہاں کافتا ہے۔ آپ کو اپنے بھی آپ ایک انگیم کے لئے ساتھ پڑھا چاہتے ہیں۔ آپ کو ایک کلیس کے لئے ، ایک کلیس کے لئے ایک ساتھ کلیس کا سخص دادیا ہے۔ لیکن انجای طرح کلی ہے کہ عدیت مدنانی میں مجھے سے بہت مجھے پر محاکہ محاکہ جانا چاہتے ہیں جب بہت مجھے کلوہ تک مہدی میں محاکہ کلوہ میں محاکہ محاکہ محاکہ گوہر ایک محاکہ جانا چاہتے ہیں لیکن سیزن میں ایک ایک ممیوز جانا چاہتے ہیں ہمارے خرابوں کی معنی کریں گے جس طرح گہتے ہیں. نکہ چالی ہمارے بیٹ wagonی کو پرکی ہو جاتے ہیں۔ مجھے اگر اپنی سیار کرنا پہنے کے ذریعہ ہے۔ درسٹیکلی ا Johor بہت شخص ابل بھی درستائی۔ بینجا دلنیای کو پرکی بہت اکنے کو معلوم کردے گا، بہتی اپنے ایک روہ دیکھتے ہیں. پاس، کس کے دور میں کبین کیا آگی کے لئے سویٹس دیکھیں گے اور بھی ایک اُن چیائے گا۔ دیوڈیلڈینٹس is very very critical and they should understand why they are investing if an investor really cannot answer the question convincingly that why am I investing into Indian football whether it is in a club on any other kind of investment whether it's an academy etc. if they are not clear that project more or less is going to fail guys before of course we continue this chat our friend Anush Gupta کو ہم نے کیا ہم نے بیٹ دے دیا اس میں دو اور کومنٹ دے دے گبتہ ہم نے تیرے نام لے رہا ہے but he's of course talking about young talent he's saying that look they need more games and he's saying let me tell you all state run clubs have enough money if it's spent on only domestic players Meenu Joyli has joined us Meenu thanks for joining us even Delhi has a great state league structure get college students 18 to 21 year olds to play 15 to 20 games give them hope of promotion to iLeague's second division that used to be the case for us when we used to play state league they play to play amateur leagues anyway get them into the system football Delhi can conduct a yearly school league for under 16 18 all of this has been thought of all of this I've heard of for a long long time with the pathway a player can also have serious talk at home to become a footballer Ronak Joyli Ronak I guess you're using Meenu's account so thanks for that but guys you're talking about a sustainable structure because you can't ignore it so what we've seen given the proof and of people like Anul Janal and what people are realizing is that football the kids who want to play are growing the ecosystem is going up at least the desire to want to play and put on a Barcelona jersey and go out of an Arsenal jersey 5 years back which no one people are there now but it's there so now I think what everyone should do and this is where your state leagues can help is that every local club should think of investing into a small academy type structure where kids come in because you've all of course played football local players who played football you can coach them take a certain amount of money from them and that money can help you in sustaining a team playing in the state league I think that is the only way forward because it's a proven fact now 5-6 years since academies our country is doing very well at a small scale level large scale level you're realizing they're willing to play in an academy and they're willing to pay to play in an academy so then that money can be used to sustain a team in the state league ایسا لئیسا تو چھوڑا state league کو ہم نے بڑھانا نا مزبوط بات تو ہی ہے Arjun I think again I'm coming back to my favorite topic which I always say I think there is something wrong in the model there is something wrong in the model that one way you are talking about new investors coming in very fine thank you very much all of you are welcome sometimes somebody should tell me why investors who are there for 50 years are going out why Salkaoka Club which was formed in 1955 why Mahindra United which was formed in 1960s why JCT which was formed in 1973 had to go out whenever these questions were asked we received a very straight forward reply from the AFF on this slide of course not officially they had their business problems so they are just taking it as an excuse they have always said we don't see a long term plan so I am not convinced none of us are convinced you are also not convinced so I am saying there is something wrong in the basic model that's why our trusted investors who had been investing in football for the last 50-60 years when football was not such a fashionable games there was not so much money in the game there was not so much television the coverage in the game still they were there and they were also losing money why they had gone out that somebody has to answer for this question that is my question I don't know you guys were very smart either of you can get into this I feel the ISL and ILEAK kill that bullet leave it don't let anyone take it its a system if you want to focus then focus below I agree with you guys you have to play more football you have to play more matches where that system has begun and invariably it will start impacting what is happening on the top yeah and going back to state leagues or regional leagues whatever however you do it now as you go lower down the so called whatever pyramid right obviously clubs will have less and less resources plus also you have then you are dealing with younger children so you don't know to send necessarily like a 10 year old all the way from Kashmir to Kanyakumari to play a football tournament they should be playing where they are because they are not sustainable you have done a trip somewhere outside but you won't be able to do more so in that environment you will have to play and I think right now and what do fans then also put back into the game right so how is the Europeans or like where football is popular how does it work there that fans also buy in and contribute to the financial health of the club whatever it might be right so to achieve that you have to have a very large fan base and why he's been all in Monabagha are the most powerful players in Indian football because they are the only ones that have a fan base because they are so passionate and massive fan base so therefore they can say no this is how it should be and this is how we will do it everyone can't do that if you are going to an academy whose local community or local life there is no connection so how will your fans where will your fans come from for example was a good example of this when they came into the ILE even though there is a local club that's based in one part of IMPAR it managed to or FC go up in the ISL right they managed to get together that all which ATK also I guess had hoped that it would do when that franchise was started and now perhaps at least they've gotten more and more fans so that will help them but unless you have that grounds well that foundation I don't think like nothing is going to happen with the national I mean as much as we might say sitting in our offices in Delhi that we will qualify for the World Cup in 2026 we will qualify for the World Cup favorite subject that's that's that's what Arjun I wanted to tell you this thing only you have played enough football you know that Salgaoka or for that matter or for that matter جیسیٹی had a huge fan base I am not comparing with them with this Spengal or Mohan Mughal maybe his Spengal Mohan Mughal had a bigger fan base okay but these clubs had big fan base you know built over time over time thousands of people used to come what did we get by destroying that fan base fair enough because you were part of the dynamo's and you were part of a new ownership of the dynamo's did you kind of find out why the den network wanted to get out of the ISL let go of football team and thus sought for new owners to buy it I didn't exactly know the reason but you know it's not rocket science you have to find out the reason it's not sustainable what are the losses that they were incurring any misogynous outs it was huge today also if you talk about some of the P&L's of the ISL teams it's not a great reading from an investment perspective from today of course the bleeding has stopped to an extent last season for the first time I guess the ISL teams received the revenues from the central pool were exceeding the franchise fees that they were paying so it was fantastic for the first time how come what they were paying to the league but that was not the situation 3 years back they were losing a lot of money so at the end of the day again that's a case of short term investment they thought that it's going to will recover all the money but it didn't happen but at least they sold it to somebody else they looked at capital gains they did not gain anything possibly they didn't do either at the end of the day that's probably can I ask you a quick follow up to that now that if you're saying that the revenue from the central pool is exceeding the franchise fee then just as a theory why not go away with the franchise fee all together and just let can I take it one more step having worked in the ISL how ever understood the reasoning behind charging a franchise fee not really if you ask me but possibly I think the logic and this is only speculation could be wrong the logic was that to sustain the organization of the league at that level with a lot of publicity better organization maybe you need money at the end of the day and this is again my second reason is the exit barrier if you have a franchise fee which you are paying for 10 years you kind of create an exit barrier for the investor you just cannot wrap up overnight and go so at least it's some kind of a lock in for 10 years that I will be invested of course you can sell it to some other owner but the team will exist in some form so what you have done you have created an exit barrier which is quite high so just by wrapping up and leaving and closing the team I think what happened FC Pune city shut down and they moved to Hyderabad Delhi migrated to Orisha but the total number of teams are the same it did not become 8 from 10 it was 10 10 so I think that is what is probably one of the logic to have that kind of franchise but yes come in to sit down what you are saying not have the franchise fee at all I think it's anyway going to stop after 3 years whether it should happen now or possibly from the next season that is a very interesting question but I think that is very touchy when it comes to money you are fair enough I understand what possibly what you take on the logic is that I am giving you 10 rupees you are giving me 11 rupees back yes why is that exchange happening at all and if we already reached the stage where we are at that point let's say at the where we are exchanging equal amounts or you are giving me more then just say that okay but there is another angle franchise fees basically from 10 teams 15 crore اگر ہوتا ہے 150 crores is a short for FSD وہ تو ایک a short revenue ہے but جو سینٹرل پول سے آ رہا ہے that may fluctuate now for example this covid season I am sure lot of brands whether it is at the club level or even a week level they are going to rework the numbers possibly because business we are in a very bad situation business is in a very bad situation they are not earning a lot of money so marketing spend is the first area that they are going to attack and prune it down now if that is not enough to actually give it back to the clubs to 150 crore اگر ہوتا ہے at least FSD will go so I think that could be a play that's the logic that I can see I think it's like if you use that hashtag you can't sit with us it's the same that you have 10 places on your table so you have to have some criteria because all of the players are big players the most simple criteria that you come up with is who can buy in it's like playing at a poker table but you also have to agree with what Tathagat is saying that this also then means that you can't come in for one year او تیری یہاں پر چالیس کروڑ گئے اور ملا تو مجھے ایک روب ہے واپس تو چلو جی کھانا بند کرو I think that can be done without a you can like in your when you have a whatever your corporate structure or whatever like a league membership you have to join the league you have to I suppose sign some sort of agreement it doesn't have to be linked to money you can when you sign if I sign a contract to be your friend for 10 years and if I want to then sign a contract behind the curtains all I'm saying is there doesn't have to be the money clause to sort of say that to involve that part because like we've seen man you look at even a random club like AFC Wimbledon the number of owners that in their 100 year history or whatever history they might have how many different owners have come because because clubs I don't think die football clubs don't die franchises have a chance of dying because franchise it's like a McDonald's it's an outlet like Mohan Bagani Spengal آپ چہاں مرزی خلا دو ان کو میرے back yard میں اگر آپ خلا دو تب بھی وہ لوگ دیکھنے آ جائیں گے یا جو دو چار فائن جو بھی the club will survive in one form or the other even your ہمارے فرماعہ کیا سکتے ہیں؟ آپ کسی فرماعہ کیا سکتے ہیں؟ جیدی سر آپ تو میں کہا دو آپ نیچے ایسٹ بینگالز لمر نیچے نیچے آخر کیا آنہوں سے 100 سکتے کریں کسی سکتے ہیں کیا سب آپ دو جو کیا سکتے ہیں؟ چیز پہلی جو ہمیں بہت بہت بہت سید اور ایک حکم سامنے گناتے ہیں. نیگرانی کی نظر مقادم ہے. میں محید پر بھی کردار گناتے ہیں. ایک حکم اس وائن ہے جو مطار ماتیاب حکم ہے جس کے لئے جو لگتے ہیں لیکن ایک چید چیٹ بیکن سانی کیا ہے کہ مح資 زت کے ساتھ کھول ہوا ہے یہ لئے مقادم ہے جو ایک حکم جانتے ہیں لیکن ہمارے مح資 زیادہ کیا ہے؟ اور یہ محصورا کیا ہے؟ اس سے کھول جانتے ہیں اللہ ہمارے محصورا کیا ہے؟ حقیص لیکن ہمارا بہتر سکتا ہے کہ مارمونا لگا ہے ان میں چیزا لائی ہے انہیں بہتر حقیص لائی ہے انہوں ایسی اور جو ایسی حیت کے لئے حیرت اپنےutta نہیں کرتے ہے جو آپ سبوڈیں ہیں اور اب میں کے لئے بہتر اپنے طرح اپنے طرح سکتے ہیں انہوں کو اپنے طرح سکتے ہیں اپنے طرح سکتے ہیں ہمیں بھاک ہی بھی بھی صعدان نہیں اسی بین لگا ، اگر کہ آپ کی آئے جو سید میں، حبتہ ہے کہ ای자 سیل کے ساتھ آئے چیز کو ہمامتی ہے کہ شانج پہنچایزی لوگوں کے لئے لیکن ایک آپ پہنچ پیش جائے، اور اس بیٹھو کیا کسی جانتے ہیں۔ ایک ٹارک گوائےLeague میں آئے ہیں۔ مولاگا سے ایسیلوں کو ایک ساتھ ہوتا ہے۔ سیلے کوکلائے تھا۔ اوہ تو جیساً کو بہت لوگ سے کبی ہے جب کسی محبت کو پر بڑی نہیں ہوئئے And probably their experiences that they had recently with Quest they felt that, you know, if you give control to a third party, they will not run the team well. ہمارے اواری آگا دائم ہوتا ہے ہے ہے جو تو اپنی جو اٹیر ہ ہی پڑن کو بہت تف기 اچھا کیا ہے لیکن اس میں بڑا بشاری ہے ہمارے ہوتا ہے ہمارے اسی مرار ہیں کہ یہ بہت مجھے بھی آنج سے مفيمہ پڑھا جلی جائے اندہ تک تک آجارگا۔ جو ایک کچھ از امر میں جو امر شاہ کرا ہے پتا ہے ، تا تی رسول Turbo ہے۔ سوال کے امر میں کوئی بیٹنی گو شارہ کیا ہے۔ بیٹنے میں پر پید کو کچھ پڑھا ہے۔ ہمارے Jason مالکتے ہیں۔ اگر ایک امر بہت ملک کیا ہے۔ اوہ بہت سارے صورت کی ہے۔ دیکھگہ امر آپ کو یہ صورت کھم ہے۔ کیود ہے کہ ہمارے بیٹنے سے پہلی کے لیے بھی ناکھتے ہیں۔ ایسا لگتے ہیں وقت لیکن ایمڈیو راہنا اپنی چاہت پسے دیکھنا چاہتے ہیں بلی میرا دیکھتے ہیں جب اندرنت مزاہر اپنی مضاہر سیچ سمانی والا ہے سمجھتے ہیں اس مدنائی صلاحے میں مجھے اہم اپنے لگتے ہیں کیونکہ تکرام کیا بارطیں جو اپنی مضاہر تنیا کیا ہے کہ ہم اندرنت مرسیت سے پاک رہے ہیں انہوں نے یہ محکمت ہوتا ہی ہے جانب ہی چاہتے کی دل مرہ دومایسٹی کومپیٹ الشانہ ہی ہے، نایسٹل ٹیم کے برینج سے بلاک سابق سادی لئے ہمارے جانا باہرے بایا گا ہے کہ ، حاہے میں کہا ہوں۔ ہمارے جانا باکنے میں لوگ میں مجھے بریا不行 ہے۔ نایسٹل ٹیم کے ویٹم ہوتا ہے اور ہم کسی بھی کسی کو سائن کر secrets بنیی۔ پانڈ میں ایک بہت کھونتا ہے کہ اندیرے سے بہترینی بھی ایدا ہوں تو وہ ایک دلکسی سیشن کرو وہ ایک ایکونوانٹس کھونتا ہے اندیرے سے سوکھکے ہمارے ایک ایک سیشن ایدا ہے بہت اگر جو آپ تک ہمارا شوہ دیکھرے ہیں ہمارے 21 اور 13 لوگ دیکھرے ہیں ہمارے یوٹیو پر زادل لوگ دیکھیں گے ہم نے یہاں کیا باتشیٹ کریے کہ یہی تقیمات ہیں بلیٹ ہوا دیریکٹ امپیکٹ اون دیناشنٹیم تو ایک کتاب اور پن ہے کیونکہ بھائی کافی چیزیں بدلنے والی ہوں گی تب ہی وہ امپیکٹ ہوگا ایک 3 plus 1 ہونے سے امپیکٹ نہیں ہوگا پر جیسے کہ آپ گھر کی بات کرنے گا گھر کی مرمت میں کلمنگ کرا نی پڑے گی پائیب بدلنے پڑیں گے بجلی کرا نی پڑے گی سیپیج ہوگی سیپیج کے بعد پانی کے لئے پمپ لگا نہ پڑے گا لین سے کھیٹسنے کے لئے اور اوپر چڑا نہ کے لئے تو مطلب کام بہت ہے یہاں پر I think the next topic and this is a very nice point that in the short term if you want to have a direct impact on the national team say 1 year, 2 year, 3 years then what are the kind of steps that need to be taken and the point that you guys have brought about in the end let's start sending players abroad that can have a short term impact on the national 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