 South East Group lament collapse of security architecture in eastern region and brain drain to teach universities as lecturers relocate overseas. This is cross politics. I am Mary Annacor. Condemning the violent assassination attempt on the person of Senator representing Annambra South Senatorial's Zone at the National Assembly, Senator Ifa Yng Nghymru. Civil Rights Buddy, the Human Rights Rights Association of Nigeria, has blamed security agencies or the strategy in the South East for the success of the Dastardley Act. Now, National Coordinator of the Rights Group, Cymru Emmanuel Beacol, also said in a statement yesterday that no reason could be ruled out including assassination. The Annambra State Police Command confirmed that five persons, including two policemen and three civilians, were killed when gunmen attacked the convoy of the Senator representing Annambra South, Ifa Yng Nghymru on Sunday. Recall that Chike Akunili, the husband of late boss of the National Agency for Food and Drug Administration in control, Naftak Dorakunili was murdered by gunmen in Annambra. Gunmen earlier this year also attacked the Annambra State Governor's local government area headquarters and set it on fire. Now, joining us to discuss and make sense of this is Oponabor Ingo Taira, he's a civil rights advocate, and Charles Ohtu, who is a political analyst. Thank you so much gentlemen for joining us. Good evening, Mary Ann, and good evening, Nigeria. Good evening. Thank you for having me, Mary Ann. Thank you for joining us. I'll start with you, Charles, because you're from the South East. One of the things that was not mentioned when we started was the fact that an attempt had also been made on the now governor of Annambra State before his elections. Now, we also know how that went. Thank God he survived it. I think the biggest question in everybody's mind is what's really going on in Annambra? Thank you very much. To start with the attempt on Fupuma Soliddo when he was aspiring to govern Annambra, that attempt was still within the Annambra South. That is where Soliddo comes from, where I find it back comes from, where Newi is part of the local government that makes up Annambra South. Particularly Annambra as it is configured presently. The southern part of the state has witnessed more of this insecurity. We recall that during the election of Soliddo Forestas, Ihala, which is one of the local governments within the southern geopolitical zone in that state, came under heavy security, heavy security that threatened the election and led to a re-run election being conducted in the states after other local governments had been turned in. So that particular part of the state, particularly Annambra South, has been a hotbed of insecurity beginning from Agua Tadda to Newi. Particularly every part of the local government within the Annambra South has faced this monumental incident of insecurity. It is really a concern because this is a state that has been very peaceful before now. This is a state that, before the incident of Dorac Lloris-Rosbant, Cicaca Ele, before the incident of his assassination, the state had been largely peaceful. All of a sudden, the incident in Annambra gives a shocking revelation about the depth of insecurity and what I will call the level of failure of intelligence gathering of the various security apparatus in the state. You don't have a state, for instance, where there is a sitting over now, 21 local governments in all, almost close needs. It has a large vast area of land that is uninhabited, like some states could give, for instance, like Niger and all of that, where you can say, okay, so it's easier if the security agencies do their job. It's easier, for instance, for intelligence reports to expose some of this, the record that they were on their way to Newi, and this is the happen between Enuguku, the assets between Enuguku and the Fonimo. If you watch the incident, the trend of the delay of the senator's convoy, you would have noticed that it wasn't something that was just spontaneously done. It was planned, it was masterfully hashed, and almost perfectly executed. Like the aide there, the media aide said when he spoke yesterday, and even the senator himself, it was all thanks to the bullet proof vehicle he was riding on, but then his aide were not that lucky. So the level of intelligence gathering, particularly in that state by security agencies, I think should be called to question. Because the roads leading to these areas are clear routes. I live in Oka, I live in Oka, I do my media business in Oka, and I move around the state, I go to Agwata almost every other time. And if you watch, you will see that it is not something that, it is not an ambush that if there was intelligence gathering that couldn't have been busted. But I've watched with Oka's reputation the level of, would I say, laziness or lack of intelligence gathering among, or even completion among the various security agencies in the state. It's almost like it's something the Apligianambra citizen will have to live with. That is downright here. We are talking about Snetuba because it is hand-to-back today. Remember too that sometimes a few months ago Mary Ann, that armed gunmen invaded the burial and killed people who came to Mon with a disease family. And there have been so much pockets of terrible insecurity within that state that calls to question really the level of intelligence gathering among security agencies in that state. And I think Agobano Solido has so much to worry about. There is so much task to be given. There is so much work before the security agencies in that state. Miss Otsui, it's like you read my mind, but let me go to Opunabot. Many have said that this is political. Some others have said nothing should be ruled out. A group of persons have said that this incident was calculated, it was so planned, it was strategic, and it could be political detractors that are after him. So let's examine the politician Anduba. I mean, he's not in the running for anything right now. He's of course a senator representing his state. What could be that political undertone that would warrant this kind of dastadly act? Well, it could be, yes, I just pray that the forthcoming campaigns are not going to be sanguinerial in nature. It could be as a result of so many issues. It could be for the culture. It might be politics. It might be business, because it's a business class. It might be politics. It might be business. It might be any other thing. For now, we cannot say with all form of certainty what must have precipitated the action. What must have led to that for now, because it's just in the realm of objection. But it is very sad that the insecurity in this country has assumed apocalyptic dimension. Nigerians in general, it's sad that today we are talking of the South East, but Nigerians in general are paralyzed with dread. And that is as a result of three reasons, the giant replete of nepotism, complicity, and marginalisation. If you talk of the not, for example, I've got to explain them. If you talk of the not, for example, when you talk of nepotism as complicity, when this all started in the North, the federal government initially dismissed it as a foreigner, the Nigerian, who came in to perpetrate whatever that had been perpetrated. And inadvertently, the idea itself, because you wanted to protect life and property and the territory of the nation, so Nigerians are not interested in where the perpetrators came from. Your job is to protect the country. Later, they said, oh, these are Boko Haram people who are residents in the country, and all sorts of tunists. We have all kinds of tunists. Now, why am I saying it's the question of nepotism? Eventually, they said it's truth, because we are with the Churchill who said truth is incontroversible. Panic may derive it, malice may distort it, ignorance may drive it. But here it is. Later, the same Buwari who said that these were Nigerians and so on, was the same Buwari who built a real way to reject. And what did he say when he was questioned? He said his relatives were there. I'm talking of nepotism there. So there is that unwillingness to address this issue. There is that complicit. Yes, now you look at the former service chiefs, who were rewarded with a procedural appointment for their office and toilet office. They are treated such that successors came on board and said all the money voted for the purchase of Anthra Cook could not be accounted for. The NSA went ahead to corroborate their story. What happened? Look at the former is the result of police that was directed to go to Bronusik. I've come to the North East, to the South East, sorry. That was directed to go to Bronusik. The day Mr President went to Bronusik, I was told that he never spent a night in Bronusik. What was his next one? Don't worry, I'll go back to find out what. And the man retired. He was not questioned. Nigerians never had anything about it. That is the complicit I'm talking about. Then if you go to the South East, it is extremely sad. But what is the genesis of all this? I'm not ruling out politics. I'm not ruling out business or anything. But the truth about it is that the situation in the South East is simply a thunder in the words of Martin Luther King of disinherited mass, the marginalisation that took place there. Of course, it was infiltrated by criminals, whereas the situation in the South East was, and the information statement made by Mr President, when he said the South East is just a dust, that was quite highly provocative. And he also made more money on their revenue by telling them that they should remember the civil war, what happened to them, the very harsh of what happened to them in the civil war. But could that not have been the president, and I'm not in any way holding brief for the president, but it could have been a way of the president talking tough, because we've seen him talk tough when it comes to issues of insecurity, whether it be the North East and the North West, even in the South East. I'm not talking about complicit here, I'm talking about the opposite of that. All we hear is a high blood pressure of disdaging presidents and a many of public representatives. You have what I've also referred to as change discrimination and manacol segregation. In the North, when this is gone in the North, the treaty will keep closed. But when it is in the South, in the South East, what do they do? Or even in the South, look at what that people do, in the South, they bomb the whole place. That is what goes on. So nobody is interested any more in what the president says. It's just nothing faster, it has to be nothing. Nothing comes out of it. But the truth about it is that, yes, we find this problem in the South East that has been infiltrated by criminals. I know that, but let's also look at the genesis of all this. I can tell you now that if and over, if and over's cacaleba has been attacked, those that have since been bombed, they have the whole place to bomb. There is that community there. That is what those have done. But let us look at the complicity. And get an election of duty on the part of the Secretary of Justice of my brother, right this side. You remember when we went into the prisons, because we could get into this also in Abuja, after the jailbreak. And I killed the security of the schedule of the prison of the conflictors. They came out. And what did they say? It was intercepted by the deputy speaker of the Federal Office of Justice, Saby, not Poma. He said the DHS representatives are 42. 42 information on the attack before it took place. What did the President do? Nothing. The actual work had not come out to deny that to confront this attack. And that is the country that I am talking about. 32 intelligence reports. And the President did not act. That goes on at times you might not necessarily blame even the Secretary of Justice. Because they take instruction from the President. They take instruction either directly or indirectly. The man at the lower corner taking instruction from the above. Who is going to take instruction from the President? He is the commander in chief. And the President had this intelligence report. He had it. The President had the intelligence report. He did not ask whether he went to help you to deceive Nigeria. I think he was going to deceive Nigeria. And in the spirit of Saby the Court, they were not going to disclose this to Nigeria. He went to help to blame the Secretary of Justice. And the President had to say, no, we can't do this intelligence report. 42. He kept quiet. So what are we talking about? It is so sad that we have a President that has told the other way. Why did he say some wrongs? And that is the problem in this country. He secures you of 32. And no longer encode it. Okay, look at what happened to Nigeria. How many military formations were there? No life of loss. Apart from that, a 70-thousand man who was in Nigeria was going to be patriotic. No life of loss. Not one. And how will you release over 300,000 assassins who are moving, release prisoners, and nobody will stop? For three, four hours. There is some level of complexity. But in the case of handover, like I write this side, in the case of handover, you cannot rule out business. You cannot rule out politics. That is the truth. Until they come up with the reports, it is still in the realm of context. But then, most of these boys are going to be the prisoners described. If there are assassins, then it is a different scenario altogether. Because if they have completed the work for business, who have been involved in one business beyond the other, or probably they are afraid of his political power, and so they went. But if there are not assassins, or if they have infiltrated the iPhone's trouble, and as far as we have the BSNB, most eyes of course, they deny most of this thing. But if they have infiltrated that trouble, and that is what they have. But every legitimate trouble, of course you will have people that will infiltrate. So they do not have to deal with the work. And so it is incumbent upon the security authorities to address the situation and contain it. That is why they have paid it. That's their responsibility. Let me come back to you, Charles. Openable has said a lot about complicity, government, you know, turning a blind eye on deaf ear. But if everything he has said is anything to go by, because he has also said that the South East, it is not so many words, is giving the short end of the stick over and over again. But then there is a huge amount of security presence in the South East. We have seen so many soldiers. I mean, we have seen formations upon formations, crocodile smile, the list is endless. How come all of these security agents that have been sent to the South East are unable to quell the situation? Again, what are the governors, because I remember when the governors in the South East decided that they were going to have a security forum, they had a tea party if you ask me. But what's been the outcome of that tea party? Thank you very much. Hello. I can hear you. Thank you very much, Marianne. You see, when you talk about the of course, when I started with operation Python dance, that was about three or four years ago. We are, again, talking about security. It is not in the declaration of operations as it were. It is in the open-aboardly noted the ability of the security outfits to understand the data intelligence and people who are paid with tax payers money. Move in. We understand there are shares of commands actually, but the commissioner of police in the state for instance is the chief's implementing officer of the governor's directives on security, particularly internal security as it concerns the state. In this case, anabra. Now, if you look at it, you see that it is not as though there had not been programmes. It is not as though these people are not there on the roads. The soldiers, the soldiers, the military and the other security that are operating these cities have even reduced now as we speak to taking money from KK operators. They take money, they give change just like the police does. It is that bad that we have the physical availability of these officers on duty and all they do is to give a reactive, not a proactive approach to intelligence, not a proactive approach to securing the nation which is their primary responsibility. Now, if you look at it holistically, you see that anabra, just like other parts of the cities is degenerating to the point that even a military formation along the highway for instance, as it happened, you know, just a few weeks ago, and it's been happening in this very current in that axis of the Elw Gwp of the Contest First Way. There have been a key map syndicate that has been kidnapping people, taking them into the bush perpetrating a manner of crimes in Ihube, between Ihube and the Abia axis. That's between Ihube and Leiru. And it is not as if they do this in the night, they do it in the daytime. They have the effrontery to attack a military formation at that Ihube junction but a military van till dead, till dead. We don't know the outcome of that investigation. Nobody is feeding anybody back. The attitude division in Elw Gwp for instance has never called a diligent press conference to say based on what is happening in the south this is what we found out, this is what we've done and there is a high level of unaccountability across world. You talked about Ibu Bagu. Ibu Bagu was formed by the government led by the champion, by the government of Ibuwany. The aim of that Ibu Bagu has long been defeated because all they do now even in Ibu state where there are still to be operating both Ibu and Ibu all they do is to harass political opponents. That's all. Okay. So the fate They have no business with the butchies. They have no ambush anywhere to lay. They have never caught a full army or anybody with arms anywhere except harassing political opponents. It's happening in Ibuwany, it's happening in Nimo. These are the two states where Ibu Bagu has featured and all the stories we've had have heard them are not fine stories of tackling these issues. Our time is almost up. I wish that we could continue this conversation but of course we'll keep our eye on this story as it unfolds. I want to say thank you Ibu Bagu Ibu Bagu Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. When we get back we will be discussing the as to strike as mass relocation of lecturers out of the country keeps on. We'll be right back after this break.