 Well, how about that was that great or what that's that's an opening music from the free music archive called free to use And I am here Alan Levine from OE global to do something a little bit wild and crazy that I wanted to do for open Education week was to do something to have a little bit of a kind of a live Excitement around open Education week because I know there's a lot of excitement Going on already But there's so much going on that it's really hard to track and so I thought what if we had like a daily show Where we just shared what's going on and when then we mainly the big thing is Inviting some people into the studio Just for some informal conversation about what they're doing this week or what they're working on and just have some great Conversation and so I don't want to talk too long because we really have a great group of people here But just to do a little bit of overview. Obviously, you know, people have seen the open education site The thing that you want to pay key to is this daily schedule and this is the best way to know What's going on the most important thing is that the times here are shown in your local time zone So you can see my time zone is America Regina and so you don't have to futz around with time and Right now if you scroll down If I get to the right spot, there we are that's where we are right now. It's 10 o'clock for me It's a different time for other people And a new thing that you can do is you can add little bookmarks to different events. So if I wanted to come to the the leadership for digital transformation coming from e-campus, Ontario, it's like wow, that sounds really good I'm just gonna do a little bookmark here and As you go around examining we've got some great ones We've got an introduction to copyright from Athabesca University And in two hours from now OE global's new director Andrea and Marado is gonna come on and give her Perspective and views in this talk show format But we have some other great ones and you can sort of see we're moving through time We're kind of in North America right now. We've got a really great one that I would want to tune into from University of Windsor is they have a student panel on using OER resources. I bet this is just gonna be fantastic I would definitely want to sign up for that Madison area technical libraries have a ton of events going on. They've got something on building equity and education and this one From BCIT. I just the title gets me Create Buds branches and barks. So it's instructor sharing her experience on building a Plant identification OER and so a great chance to hear from a practitioner about what goes on So so I'm not I don't need to tell you everything that's going on because you can come here and read the screen I just also want to let you know that we have a lot of things going on in our OEG connect community Which is the other place where I spend a lot of time making noise This is an open space where we have announcements of things but more than that we have activities and discussions and so one thing I hope that people do is As they go through OE week that they come here and they kind of share what they observe or see or ask questions And so this is a place to connect with each other That is quite probably enough of me blabbing about OE weeks. So right now I'm going to just stop my screen sharing and Come back here. And so what we really want to do and we're going to wave to Alex Enkerley Who's like one of my most enthusiastic? Participations is to bring on stage We have a four guests to volunteer to be part of my crazy Experiment and so we're going to bring them on stage so we can say hello to them because it's been enough of Alan blabbing and so we're going to just bring everybody on right now so they can say hello and Really glad to have a general Wessler from creative commons and Maren Deepo from all and Catherine Cronin and hello Jennifer We've great to meet you here for the first time. So first of all, I just want to give a chance very way just Do the brief intro and tell us where in the world you are and what is the next thing that you're going to be doing on open education week? So I'll call first on Jennifer because she's like brand new and I know there's a lot going on with Libra text. There's so much going on. I really appreciate everything. They're going so hello Jennifer Hey, good morning Thanks for having me My name is Jennifer Rogers and that outreach coordinator for Libra texts. I came on about 2018 when Libra text got the big US Department of Education open textbook pilot grant and Been here ever since So as Alan mentioned, we have a lot going on this week. I'll just start by saying I myself. I'm in San Diego, California proud of California, so I'll just start there I guess sorry I have no idea of what we're gonna be talking about so I'm gonna babble a lot and you're probably gonna hear my dog breathing slash snoring in the background. So It's up on that. It's perfectly acceptable to bring dogs on stage my mind will come and I know I'll turn now to Marin Deepwell because I want to hear about Posey or her dog and Really great to have a Marin here with the colleagues for a long time And we're trying to do some things between OE global and her organization. Well, welcome Marin. How are you today? Hi, Ellen. Hi everybody Really well here in Cardiff in the UK. We're so excited to be part of Open Educational Week I'm the CEO of the Association for Learning Technology here in the UK And we've been championing open education for 30 years So one of the things I want to share with you this week is what's going on in our community and How we are leveraging the power of 30 years of open educational resources Fantastic and thank you for joining it's it's actually later in your day So I appreciate you being here and I know it's probably take away from your time to go outside and walk with Posey But you'll you'll get that in So next I want to welcome gentlemen what's her from creative commons and and she's doing so much She could probably fill the show, but it's so great to have you here Jen. Hello. Hi. Thank you so much for having me It's really a delight to get to help kick off Open Education Week this year So great to to be here with the other folks there as well So I'm here in Mount Rainier, Maryland in the US and I am I'm working on a number of different projects through our open education platform But really excited about some of the the things that are going to be coming out I think we'll have a probably a blog post pretty soon about some of the really wonderful activities that community members will be doing from a project in Malaysia to support OER for climate change to a project in Italy and Ukraine to translate a MOOC from Italian to Ukrainian to to support Educators and academic librarians in Ukraine and a lot a lot more coming So we're very excited to be here. I know we've got some more creative commons stuff coming up this week So just can't wait to see what's next excellent and and and Saving maybe I won't say the best for last but the dear friend of mine and colleague Catherine Cronin who has been such a pillar for this Community and still very active in many things and we got to talk a month ago for a podcast But welcome and for a back again Catherine and let us know how your day is looking or your week is looking Thank you, Alan. You are so kind Great to be here with everybody. I am normally based in Ireland as most people know, but I'm actually sitting in London at the moment I'm traveling this week. So My participation is going to be a little bit patchy in open education week But I've already managed to join the Eden kickoff which started an hour ago And that was really interesting and there's another Eden event on Wednesday, which I'll be joining open educational practices as a catalyst for innovation and Yeah, I'm happy to talk about my go-to-end fellowship from the past year and Maybe of more interest the an open access book that Laura turn you which and I are just finishing And edited collection called higher education for good That's so excellent and now I'm like left to say like what do we do here? It's like so one of the things is like I mean all of you are very active in open education week And you know we we all I understand that that everybody here supports and is great of it Like how do you manage it? Like how do you you know you have to shuffle between things you've committed to? participating in But how do you also sort of be able to dip in and sample everything else that's going on? Do you want us to just jump in? Well one of the things that we are our members are organizing and coming up next month is an open education conference or you're 23 and one of the ways in which I keep up to date with things is kind of being Actively involved in that volunteer community of about a hundred folk from different parts of the world And I think it's really interesting to see kind of how people are you know? At different stages of open of their open journey, I guess and one of the things I was reflecting on When you posted the opening block post Ellen was you know that last year We celebrated 10 years on open education week now We're looking ahead to a new decade and I'm really seeing particularly in our community You know whole new projects new initiatives new communities kind of coming to this movement And I'd be very interested to hear what you know other folks experiences or sort of you know lots of new institutions and new colleagues joining open education Yeah, I'm also really curious to hear what other folks I guess suggestions are for staying on top of all of the different wonderful Events that are happening this week and also beyond this week for the rest of the I guess upcoming 10 years But in terms of new folks coming into this movement or collection of movements I think that's that's like one of the best things about What we do is bringing in new and adjacent communities and also seeing like what what new opportunities kind of emerged with Yeah, with new ideas with getting outside the echo chamber that can often happen within open education community I guess not original folks, but a lot of folks who have been in this space for a while I think finding the adjacent communities where we have some role to play, but it may not be as Directly a parent right off the bat is so fascinating. It's kind of like the intersectionality That open education can lend itself to that's Yeah, kind of my favorite That's great, and I also want to come back to that really fantastic question you shared That we'll touch based on after everybody else has some input, baby but Yeah, I'm happy to I'm not happy to piggyback on that. I love Both Marin and Jenron just said and particularly about intersectionality and you know having just I just tuned in an hour ago as I said to the first Eden events and I just left that to come here and You know, it's obvious that some people Are talking about the need that we continually have to do awareness raising and there are new audiences and new people getting Interested and open all the time and like Jenron says I think that's a really positive thing But I think it's useful to To hold on to the idea that you know all social movements for change You know if you think of anything like anti-racism or feminism of civil rights You know you're continually educating people, you know about about the values and the purpose and so on as well as doing maybe some of the more advanced policy Work that some of us might be doing so that awareness and inviting and providing openings for people I think it's just always going to be part of this work. So, you know, there's no point getting frustrated about that It's just it gets woven into you know all the work that we're doing So I always love open education week, you know for that reason new faces and old faces And kind of weaving that all together Yeah, and it's I mean I get a little overwhelmed I don't know about other people like when I see how much is going on and and you realize that you can only do so much as an individual But it is exciting that it is a much larger community than it was when a lot of us started out So I want to give the stage time though for for folks to talk about What they're doing this week is really that that was the premise when I invited you in So I might go back to Jennifer because like Libra text is like all over the schedule and so Can you just maybe give us sort of an overview about some of the top things that are going on and what you hope to get accomplished this week? I can certainly try It will say we have we have 18 Different events on the schedule this week Which is my whole job with labor text, right as as Jen ran and and Mary and Catherine talked about was Bringing new people to the movement. That's basically my entire job, which is Part of what I really enjoy about the work actually is getting to talk to people that I would otherwise probably never have have come in contact with and any other environment and And Libra tech so we're celebrating 15 years This month actually It's been officially 15 years and in the past You know five or six that I've been involved in the project. We have grown So exponentially That it's admittedly even been hard for me to keep track of all of the cool new things that have been going on And it's my job to keep track of these things. So that's been really cool to see and When I say we have all of these events this week We do and a lot of those are focused on our technologies or new technologies. So of course, we're going to be introducing people to Adapt, which is our new open homework and assessment platform And we actually just got a new grant from the state of California to support that for the next four years So we got four million dollars over the next four years to help early expand adapt especially in STEM fields And that's also going to make it free for all instructors in California to use an access for those the following four years So we're going to be talking a lot about adapt. We have our new commons and conductor technology that is a really great The commons is a catalog so you can search across everything on the Libra text platform all half a million and counting pages of content And the conductors are really cool Project management system that plays really well with our Libra text org, which is of course our our repository Slash publishing slash hosting platform So we're going to go over all of that cool stuff. We're going to have our Wonderful developer who's built our studio, which is our h5p generating platform, which is also free He's going to do a presentation on Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon Pacific time on studio But what I like about open education week, too is I reach out to a lot of our faculty who are already using Libra texts and It's really cool to have them come in and talk about the things that they're doing for their courses with Libra texts So in about an hour and a half we have one of our math faculty who's been using Libra texts for many many years who's going to be talking about Adapting an open stacks calculus book while also adding some of his own content to it We have a really Exciting I think it's going to be presentation From a doctor are made a right soul. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly who actually teaches Communication and she has adapted she helped co-author actually an interpersonal communication text that she's using with Three very different populations. She's using it with a community college class a CSU Humboldt class and she also has a class of incarcerated students that she's using the same text for and so I think that's going to be a really interesting Conversation as well. We just get so many So many cool faculty who come on board and see what Libra texts can help them do How it can help them can you know better control their curriculum and and help their students not just in the cost savings department, but also Like I said, it helps them Really adapt and create resources that speak to their students on a more personal level And so that's part of what I really enjoy about this work And like I said, yeah, we have a lot we have a lot going on this week. I can't go over all of it, obviously Our full schedule is if I'm our blog, which is just a blog that we were text org for anybody that wants to see it Thank you so much. I really we really appreciate all that we were Texas doing and I know later in the day I'm having like one of the podcast interviews with Delmar Larson And so I look forward to a more in-depth conversation because he's a fascinating figure to me I want to maybe Catherine. Do you want to talk more about the the book the the higher ed for good? because I've been I followed it. We talked about it and is it out yet It's not out yet, but it has it is there is a manuscript we have sent it to an open book publisher and You know, although all the contributions in the book have been reviewed and edited the entire manuscript needs to be reviewed now as a whole And we'll get those comments back in a couple of months. So we're hoping that in the summertime It'll be published But basically for those who might not know about it. We use the hashtag HE for Numeral for good. So there is some some trails and social media about the development of the book over the past year year and a half but Laura turn you which and myself who were co-chairs for one of the OER conferences that Mary was talking about the OER conferences we We co-chaired the OER conference in 2019 and go away and It was just it was a really Generative conference in a lot of ways. It was where the idea for the Femme Tech quilt was born and you know Just a lot of other global conversations, you know, one of the keynotes was three gog and researchers So Laura and I always had the idea that you know, we might want to do You know another project another big project in the future and of course, you know during COVID times that emerged and it was just really both of us We're speaking in different places about just you know, acknowledging that this is truly a time of crisis in In a in a global sense around, you know, climate crisis and the pandemic and austerity and Surveillance capitalism and you know, so many things but really want to focus about what can be done You know, I think you know, we both have felt that some of the you know some of the really most inspiring work particularly around climate is work that really points towards Avenues for hope, you know, where can we devote some energy, you know towards more hopeful futures? Recognizing all the challenges so we sent out a global call at the beginning of 2022 and You know a year just over a year later. We have a full manuscript of 27 chapters We invited authors to write in whatever genre they wanted So we have, you know, plenty of academic articles reflective pieces dialogue poetry We have some artwork in the book One book one written in form of like a graphic story like a graphic novelette and authors from from 18 countries, so it's a really global look at Future of higher education and what we what we can do And so a whole one whole section of the book is about finding hope finding fortitude and hope as we call it And then we highlight work that people are doing Including considering alternative futures speculative futures Actually making change in the here and now despite all the constraints that I've mentioned and not only how to change teaching and learning but how to really change structures and systems Within which we're all embedded And then we were so bold as to as to suggest in our chapter a Manifesto for higher education for good. We call it towards a manifesto for higher education for good Because surely there couldn't be one, you know, we recognize the importance of context And so on but we really hope that it's just going to be part of, you know, these these dialogues that are so important around Acknowledging despair but trying to find as I said avenues for hope and the inspiring one another through what we're doing That's so exciting and you'll be even busier probably when that comes out And we're really proud also that it's going to be published openly So, you know that it'll be available forever as soon as it's published. It'll be available to everyone. Yeah Excellent. Thank you. I wanted to genuine you're welcome to talk about some of the stuff you're doing the creative commons, but You did pose a question and this is kind of, you know, what I thought maybe we could do and we also have a really great pending question from the chat, but You asked the question Can we talk about like how do we find the joy in learning and the work that we do because there's Sometimes it feels like like I know I have a lot of stress right now because I I'm trying to run this show here and it's like But it's fun because you're here, but like where do we get to talk about that genrin if you want to go in that direction? You're welcome to go anywhere else Oh, um, I actually didn't I have a question to come back to me. Um, yeah so one of the things that one of our Our certificate facilitators noted in an email to her her Class was that learning has to be about joy. I mean, that's when we do our best learning. That's when you you really Feel the change that um, I think is needed in in education. So where do we find it? I think I am I'm probably at a loss. I I feel like I likely can cite ways that I undermine my own chances of that through overbooking my schedule and Not not deliberately carving out That kind of deep thinking slowing down focused time in my in my calendar To really enjoy what I do and I when I do I love The the connections I make to people I know already everybody here I have a connection to at least so I know For Libra texts we we were citing you left and right and we had a recent boot camp in california where All of the all of the teachers were really excited about looking at Libra texts to Creating kind of adjacent materials that will help others understand and start to work into the Libra tech systems I know we have a lot of work with gojin or gojian Um, and might be actually working with with back pit to translate our certificate content Again, which is uh, just really wonderful. Um, I know we have a long-standing Connection to oe global obviously and then Catherine your work is cited all over the place So we've brought in your readings into some certificate discussions and so on. So it's it's just it's so much fun to find um, a little bit of downtime to Enjoy those connections and then also Yeah downtime to to keep learning um In new ways, I guess you don't expect. Um Um Yeah, the the thing that's most exciting me right now is Um, a few of my a couple of my projects got a little bit postponed for the start of this year. So I Found myself with a little bit of extra time to take copyright x at long last and I was so delighted Um to start this it's it's funny. It's Fun and relevant and it just it makes me excited to do the homework every week which Yeah, it's probably a little bit ridiculous, but it's that's definitely brought me a lot of joy lately And it's good to see Alexander. Hey Alex Alex is prolific and so I I appreciate anybody else on on joy I feel free to pass if I say like if you don't want joy, but I know we all want joy But you really touch on some some things about the tension and wanting to do so much with our work at the same time That spark is is pretty important anybody else on that? um Yes, I would like to just make a comment on joy This is actually Sort of my my second go around trying to figure out what to do with my life if you will I I'm also a librarian by training. It's been a librarian for many many years um but it for many many years also started to feel like maybe it wasn't a very good fit for me and so when I Discovered Libra texts and when I officially became a part of this team uh That sparked just indescribable amount of joy for me Um, and you know, I tell them or this all the time. I'm making it up as I go along, right? I mean I did not Officially study outreach or communication in any capacity. I was an English major. I had to greet in English. So I like to think I can communicate effectively partially because of that but you know as as Jenrin says just working in this space and making connections with other people and just knowing day in and day out that the work that you're doing matters To me it has just been completely invaluable Uh in in so many ways and so that sparked joy for me I I wish that I had time to do a lot more than I do. I have two small children and Dogs and our husband and life very often gets in the way as I think so I look forward to working on that part as my as my children age and are a little bit more independent um But yeah, I do I I do think that joy is is absolutely one of the the reasons that i'm here and that i'm That i'm doing this work and I think it's because so many of the people in this space feel that same way that You know, that that's what keeps us going That's that's I I think I see a lot of heads nodding and and my heart is nodding too So thank you for that. I I wonder I could I feel like i'm just like telling people what to talk about You can tell me to shut up. Okay. There's like a shut up button Alan But but I know you know marin you're you're developing your your coaching practice and and i'm wondering like What are you seeing in the people who kind of reach out for kind of life career coaching? Do they Are people looking for for somebody saying things that we're talking about? Yeah, it's an interesting question. I think um But I'm certainly part of a number of communities like the from attack community that Catherine mentioned earlier and um, you know, also the open education special interest group that um, um involved in through the association And I think many of us are looking for I think what someone in the chat mentioned a sort of, you know moving beyond cynicism trying to um be constructive and hopeful in in what we do um, so I I think that is a really poignant point particularly for those of us like in my Sector we work heavily with technology and Part of the work that we've been doing on sort of ethical approaches to using learning technology I think is very closely aligned to the kind of work. We're trying to do in the open. Um But I also think on a personal level many people Um are kind of still reevaluating, you know post covid and I think you know depending on where you are on the globe The post pandemic reality looks a bit different and you may be further along in the journey than others. Um, so I think it's really You know inspiring to see people kind of looking at, you know, more fundamental questions Sort of how how they can use their work for good and I'm very much looking forward to your book Catherine And the stories that that will inspire Um, so yeah, I I think we're all looking for a little bit more joy Um, but I'm also very aware that the scale of the challenge keeps growing and that is one of the things I find helpful about open education week is that it reminds me of how big the movement is Because globally, you know, it has more learners more teachers more institutions more demand for higher education more skills shortages more need All-round and and that can seem daunting. I think at times as well as hopeful Yeah, I I think we're all agreeing with that too Uh, I I would just say like my joy comes from like small bits of serendipity and I talk about all this time but Most of the people in this room like I I met you through introduction of others or interactions where I forget And so the small things that happen when when someone Sends you a message or appreciation or ask you a question And so that's how I got integrated like, you know, I was living in Arizona when I got involved with with all in the OER conferences and it was mainly through kind of like You know this kind of permeable boundaries that were Enabled at some point by platforms that are now kind of going another way And so struggling with with that at the same time Um, anybody else want to like throw a comment out? We have a really good question, um that that I might put on the screen to stimulate some discussion But I don't want to feel like I'm too much of a traffic cop here I have to jump into the joy conversation. Oh, I didn't mean to take away your joy Catherine I'm a terrible host I'm just looking at at all of you on my screen here and listening and just thinking like this group really just Embodies, I think what's so joyful about open education for me There's like a level of humility on the part of everybody just saying hey I don't really know what I'm doing But I'm doing my best here and also that we're doing it together I mean Alan, you know as much as it feels like you're on a tightrope You knew that we were all going to be with you, right? So and that's that's what we're all doing and we do it in our work as well. So And just that kind of idea that's inherent in open that we're always Smudging the boundaries, you know, we're not really held in by rigid boundaries. It's the essence of open We want to share beyond So, you know, that's a value. I think that we all share so there's just you know I find joy in that and I just think this is this group is emblematic of it. So thanks Yeah, very well said and thank you for being here. I I had a mentor when I started in this work Who when I was stressing over organizing my first conference said like Alan all you have to do is get people in a room together And give them something worthwhile doing and they will take care of it and that was What I hoped would happen here rather than trying to Strictly orchestrate this um, I thought maybe I um Our friend Alex and he was listening attentively will wave to him. Um, so I don't have a question about talking about The community in a way that um, are we moving in the same direction? I would say we're moving to many directions And and how do we deal about like not only tensions between our approaches? But what those directions are and and maybe that's too vague, but We talk about our open education community and even that is hard for me to define because it's a lot of overlapping spheres Any any responses to Alex's Challenging question and thank you Alex I would love to jump in on this and then by all means I'd love to hear it everyone says but this is Really one of my the things that I think about a lot Alex. I think it's a great question and it was it relates to You know what I started doing a few years ago after being in open for a while I was looking at other social movements for change and you might know that in Ireland for example We had a same-sex marriage referendum in 2015 And you know that's that campaign has been going for many years and you know, I would be aware that within that movement There were people who were you know really fighting for same-sex marriage and others saying why are we fighting in that direction? We should be marching in the streets You know we should be fighting this battle that we should be fighting that battle And a few years ago the same kind of things started happening in open You know where people were devoting themselves to different areas and maybe the tensions arose But I honestly think that that's part of any major movement for change and so You know for me it's a matter of you know kind of acknowledging that that tension will be there as the as this As this becomes a bigger force You know within education and globally Sometimes those things need to be kind of dealt with and and figured out you know within an institution or within an organization But at another level I think it's just part of You know a mature movement You know that you are going to have those tensions So I don't know if that answers your question, but I mean I certainly look at it differently now than I did A number of years ago. I'd love to hear what everyone else has to say so the the tension is part of The natural process in a way for an organism or for an entity It can't all be smooth and joy kumbaya anybody else want to Jump in with yeah, I would second that I I remember reading this book called I think it was like rise of an empire by Amy Chua that looked at just that at how I'm not I'm gonna butcher it now, but She was looking at how the the very thing that Helped empires or I guess movements in this case rise was the inclusivity and acceptance of diversity and that was this the single element that caused the the fractioning of these empires and in the long run and I I don't think that analogy necessarily applies Through and through to our movement. I actually think we have a number of different open education movements. I think to say there's one one definition of This or that one movement that I you know, everyone can identify under really Ultimately overlooks a lot of the important differences and I think what Catherine was saying is is right on I think We're at a point where there's so many different Kind of components to consider so many different vantage points that it's really healthy to have some areas of tension where We can acknowledge that it's not uniform. I think that's actually a big strength I like that a lot and I definitely want to follow up on that on that book there so Where should we go next anybody? You know, I I I think sometimes like it's so The height now about artificial intelligence and I'm kind of tired of it at the same time intrigued like And so that kind of came out of you know, nowhere and so sometimes I wonder like Like how much of the things are we responding to and and where are the things that we can get in front of? And so this one seems to be like Causing a lot of disruption. How are other people? seeing This thing that some describe as inevitable Well, maybe I can jump in here I Our community as they're quite tech focused are very interested in artificial intelligence and you know one example Of a tool that's currently kind of you know attracting huge webinar crowds is you know jet GPT and I'm sure we've all heard enough about it already, but it is I think an interesting idea to discuss in the context of access and openness because I think many of these sort of Early tests in classrooms and you know institutions across the world We're all based on kind of a free access model where people were having a play having a go and now You know, we're seeing premium models introduced maybe institutional subscription models introduced Where you know whether where depending on where you stand on you know, it could be a very helpful tool For students could be an unhelpful tool for learning But ultimately it might come down to institutional access and subscriptions And that is I think A really good example of what particularly here in the uk really dominates our discourse around Open education. I don't think we have quite the same Level of acceptance even of open textbooks, you know, we look at With great inspiration towards what's happening in the u.s. And the open textbook movement there But certainly here, you know, we don't embrace it quite as fully And certainly we don't fund it at the same scale. So I think for many institutions in you know in european countries and in the uk The sort of freemium model and the institutional subscription model is very deeply ingrained And sort of you know stands in kind of contrast to the openness that we're hoping to promote and embrace So that is certainly one of the things that our community is really focused on at the moment Yeah, and I actually wanted to say because I know I think she will jump in that Creative comments has been out in front of this and they've been writing some really provocative and helpful post and running events to to share this because I find it really confounds our our concepts because We don't know how these things work and we're trying to like apply some Experience and ways of understanding that don't really flesh out because we don't know what happens when These things spit out something. Uh, any thoughts there general? I yeah, I think it's a really fascinating Place for or I guess a new frontier for copyright in particular. Um, I'm really eager to see what emerges as we As we see more creative uses as we see case law around it and and so on I I'm not uh, I'm not an expert in this space by any means But I I've seen such a range of responses. It's it's in my mind almost like a an analogy to previous Tech advances where we've also had a range of responses. So you know the invention of a camera disrupted um, the copyright system and understanding of like what should be You know copyrighted what what should be considered creative work when we're using a new tool and so on and then I mean, we're looking at all of the The Rightful pushback among artists who feel like their work has been misappropriated and and so on and and what What roles we can play in this larger system to Kind of acknowledge this changing reality. So I I don't know what's going to happen next. I'm more on the um The excited side of it probably because I don't know I don't know what I don't know but I In particular like or in particular I'm I'm excited to see how we might be able to easily translate texts into different languages to make Um educational materials more available to other communities that don't have it in their their languages as an example but Yeah, we will see. I know we have a lot of um options for community engagement on the ai decisions and Some additional work soon too. So we're still trying to figure out the The role cc can Play in this space Yeah, and definitely I know she will probably jump in but Liebertex was Out in front of this with their translation You know that whole effort to translate a lot of their material to ukrainian during the war last year was was such a fantastic use of that technology so Yeah, you know, I sometimes I hesitate to bring it up because like everybody's tired of hearing about it but it's interesting more as a phenomena about How we address something That change like that at that level. So it's like almost Catherine was alluding to earlier that disruption And the the things that are maybe discomforting are part of the way things play out Yeah, and I am and And with any new innovation just Really being clear about Our values, you know, even when things are tipping and changing and so on so like with the chat gpt For example, you know, where is the content moderation happening? What what humans are doing that? Um, you know, we know there's an awful lot of inequality there So, you know, not just really looking at the the technology and what is said about it by those who are producing it But really looking at the big picture and taking a step back and that's kind of our role really isn't it as as critical educators Yeah, well, uh, thank you for kind of taking questions from from left field and Jen we're not through the joy question at you and I I appreciate that Maybe with some of the last time left We'll just want to hear about like what what are some of the things you're doing in the next day like For your activities and participation, um, which can include going out for a walk. I think that should be on the list Um, anybody want to like just say like what you're going to be doing next or what you're looking forward to later in the day Yeah, Jen. Okay, Alan in the interest of the reason Sorry, sorry In the reason i'm in london this week. I have uh, uh, my daughter lives here I also have a niece who's doing a semester in london and who's turning 21 tomorrow um, so i'm combining work and family and that's You know, that's the the optimum for me. Um So yeah, so after this session today, that's it for me for i mean, it's uh heading for five o'clock as maren knows So i'm going to be doing some social things tonight and tomorrow And then i'll read as i said i'm going to be joining the eden The next eden webinar on wednesday on open educational practices and hopefully a few more events this week Excellent and you know the whole the timing thing is something that everybody here, you know, who works internationally knows that As much as you try somewhere you're messing up someone's time zone and so And we know there's times when you're going to be called to have to do something at 3 a.m So anybody else I want to pop in with what they're looking forward to in the next wave of open education week Well, like a friend. Um, it is um being a very full day of open education week already today. Um, so what I have in store tomorrow is the OER 23 go gm fellowship peace I'm really looking forward ellen to um seeing some of those um colleagues join you on thursday for the live show I think um, but between now and then um, one of the things we're really focusing on is helping get the word out and hopefully reaching some new people in our community Yeah, excellent and I want to thank jacklyn from the youtube chat for doing the shout out like I've been trying to figure out like, you know, I think and and you know Wikipedia is obviously a big focus for a lot of folks, but there's so much more That I think we can do in that space. So I I'm really that's kind of on my plate to to tackle on I I did take the wiki data institute where I got fascinated and overwhelmed at the same time But to me like if anything exemplifies What the open education community is as a success story and a potential engine It's not just wikipedia. It's the whole federation of things With that like anybody else sort of want to pipe in with our kind of last round or talk about Their plans for dinner Just a quick shout out to jackie. It's so nice to to see you here jackie helped us translate the certificate content into spanish So really great to to see more connections We have a bunch of activities for open education week but I'm also really excited that knock on wood will be able to put out a a position announcement for A new staff member at cc for the learning and training manager position so hopefully we'll be able to Collaborate with the the community more soon in this uh this hiring moment Oh, actually one one other quick thing if that's all right one of the one of the assets that we Added to the the library of assets was this really great webinar that our community members held That's adjacent to but very related to open education work And it was it was called anti-colonial knowledge And this is this is something that we we get to run for the our training courses Fairly regularly, but I always learned something new in this uh this q&a discussion with An expert in this field. So anyway if folks have a chance just take a look at that video and some of the other cc videos that Our community members have led I think I um, I'm putting that you are on the chat for the for your playlist of um Yeah, there's a lot of great things that I love um the lightning talks And I know last year kind of overlapped with open education week and I I sort of said the general What if you just like replayed some of them so she? Maybe not that's the reason why it happened But I was really glad to put this together to see some more things from from that because it's it's a great format for sharing Anybody else I I know Jennifer's like get the full schedule Yes, my week is very very full um online specifically I just want to piggyback for a second on the on the translation and say yeah, we we did submit our ukrainian library as an asset on the elique global website, so I hope people will check that out and we're also working on translating All of our content into I can't even remember how many languages at this point. So um, that's definitely an ongoing effort at lever text to Make our content more inclusive um I want to shout out as allen mentioned his podcast later in the day. Delmar is going to be on Talking about who knows what I don't know what you have planned allen, but um, I do think that Delmar story is a very Very interesting very worthwhile story for people who have not heard it As to how he got into this space and he Is very very passionate about open education as anyone who has ever had any any kind of interaction with him Uh Recognizes but it's it's really it's quite cool to hear it directly from from him. So, um, I definitely think everybody should check that out Like I said, I can't I can't shout out everything that we're doing. It's just it's too much But I do hope that you'll uh, check it out on our on our blog and join us for some of our sessions We'll record them all and put them on our youtube channel later But uh at some point I I hope to take the dogs out for a walk I'm gonna be my My goal for the day, which I enjoy doing when the human children are not here because it's just easier So that that will be my Fingers crossed my my other goal for the day. Okay. Well everybody who's going to be walking dogs will will kind of wave at the same time because A lot of us know and cats I have cats too. I just want to let you know that cog dog has cats And also I'm really Honestly, I want to have this like it's selfish I want to have like a chat with delmar because he's fascinating and and he's he's a chemistry professor Like he's running this organization and he's you know, he's he's also teaching and so His story is interesting. He has two full-time jobs. Yeah, I don't know when he sleeps Or eats. Yeah, we'll figure that out. Yeah, I just can I have one I have one question for jennrin I want to know if she plays that banjo Oh And I really That's okay. My husband plays the banjo too. That's why I wanted to know if it was you I feel like I've told alan this but yeah, it's it's definitely um It's like the one place that he wants it, but uh, it's false advertising as far as yeah That's okay. You could also just lie and tell people you That's gonna come back to by me until until someone calls you out on it. Yeah See like I I know I'm all for like the virtual backgrounds and I understand that but I kind of like seeing where people are To me, that's always always fascinating and just to reinforce the the podcasts that we do are basically I mean we do these podcasts all the time just with me and the guests and so For the open education week we kind of leave room to invite You know, maybe 10 people who want to sit on this but you'll be able to hear this Definitely when alan gets around To producing it and also speaking of the ukraine the one i'm really also excited about is wednesday Um, we're working with paula courti and the spark librarians who did this fantastic project with these heroic librarians at the at the ukrainian, um institute of technology and blank but that that basically they were doing all this work to preserve Important ukrainian cultural heritage and knowledge and develop or our practices, you know While the you know the bombs are going off and so on wednesday we're talking to paula and her colleague but Hopefully we're gonna have One of the librarians from the ukrainian Come on and be part of the podcast and um the caveat was paula said if she has electricity So if anything says something about like the the disparity of the world in which we live in It's like that people would want to be part of a podcast If they have electricity, so um, I um, we're almost at the end here and I just Uh, thank everybody for coming. Um, do you have any suggestions for what I should do? Because i'm doing like a bunch more of these like Is this format okay like what what you know, how should I run these like I think we've all been enjoying it Okay, so thank you so much ellen for bringing together the conversation I always really appreciate the spaces in between formal sessions and you know It gives a warm welcoming kind of very human feel to this week. So I think it's a great idea Likewise Absolutely. Thanks ellen. Okay, and and I just appreciate everybody's enthusiasm Um For this uncertain format and I hope we have a great rest of open education week And we'll see you in all the other spaces With that we're gonna like cue the band to play uh the outro music And again, I have to put in there if I didn't say so This is a track from free music archive from an artist named ketza called free to use And so it just was kind of some good music. So with that, thank you everybody have a great monday and wednesday Thanks everyone