 Welcome back, former Minister of Education Obby Izzy Kwesely has criticized Nigerian politicians for being responsible for many problems the country is facing. According to her, many Nigerian politicians have been elected into office to adopt a life of debauchery in public leadership at the expense of the people. This is even as the governor-elect of a number of state, Professor Charles Soludo said Nigeria and the rest of Africa need a new liberation movement in view of the silent agitations and complaints against the current state of affairs in the land. Izzy Kwesely etched the Nigerian politicians to imitate the counterparts in developed societies whom she said understood that sacrifice for the good of the people was the basis of legitimacy in public leadership. Now joining us to discuss this is Dimeji Fabi, a member of the People's Democratic Party and Kelene Mohamedan APC Chieftain. Many thanks for joining us on this particular discuss. I'll start with you, Dimeji. Good evening to you, Dimeji. Thank you very much and good to be here. All right. The governor-elect of a number of state has put it so succinctly and of course the former minister of education, that's Obie Izzy Kwesely, and if I have to paraphrase basically what they are saying is that Nigeria has an issue with leadership. Specifically, they are saying that the present crop of leaders that we have across all spheres of the country, they are not actually people oriented. Do you agree? Okay. If I hear you correctly, you said the former minister of education, Obie, said the talent of Africa has to be leadership. Yes. In other words, yes. Okay. Yeah. I tend to agree partially with that because there are two components. They are the leaders and the left. Yes, the deal of our project has credible leaders who can work for the people. But what we have come to see in Africa is that the left themselves are not doing enough. They just take, like I'm saying, whatever the people on their table. So it's from both sides. That's why I said I don't entirely agree with that. Yes, we are leaders who are doing themselves, who are always doing themselves. But we have more leaders who don't even care about the whole advantage of the left. But sure that they push them to do what they have to do for the common good of the people. They are not in the office. Of course, I also believe that this is a predestination for some people. And good enough, no nation, no society exists without laws. So these laws are provided to people that have been led by the left leaders to do the right thing. The reason we are not in this game is that we know that there are people who have accepted evidence, not on them by the leaders. Why do you compare what the left has to do with what they have to do with the advance of this? The citizens, both they are right, and they talk to their leaders about what they are doing. But we don't have something after that. You seem to be putting the bulk of the issue on the shoulders of the left. But then again, wouldn't you agree with me that over time, these politicians seemingly bereft of ideologies of how they really want to go about governing the country. They come during campaigns and during electioneering, and they claim and bring all sorts of lofty ideas at the end of the day. When they are voted into power, this issue of intellects that we'll talk about, we don't actually get to see eventually. So a neighbor needs the people stand up for their rights. You know, we want to do what the laws have to do. They need us to set up so that we don't mess them up. We have an APC chieftain joining us right now. He is an engineer, Kehlani Muhammad. Good evening to you engineer Muhammad. Thank you for joining us on this particular discourse. Just before we took the break, we're talking about the nation. We're talking about the crop of leaders that we have and the former minister of education and of course the governor-elect of Anambra State, Professor Charles Soludo. They seem to think that the issue that we have is actually the politicians. Do you agree? Yeah. You sent me the link and I saw. Well, the former minister of education, A.B. Isekusili and Mr. Soludo, they said it all. But they are part of the problem of this country. How so? How are they part of the problems, engineer? A.B. of education. You are in her time. She could not be able to implement the 6334 program of education in this country. Mr. Soludo was in CBN. You could not turn around our era to be, you know, to be equivalent to dollar. So their research is good, but they are also part of our problem. What we are saying is this, since the first republic, the good leaders like the Sadaunas, the Azik way, the Tefa Believers and the rest of them, they did well in this country. They brought us together. They brought the spirit of nationalism. They brought the spirit of oneness and unity. And all they did was they did not care to amass wealth. What they did was to make sure that they bring the, you know, the dividend of democracy to the people. Today we have these crowds of people who school free of charge. And they are not doing the right thing. But nevertheless, they spoke about Africa. African leaders, about 90% of them, they tend to move towards our colonial masters. They are now ruling us through imperialism. We know there is no, nobody has colonized any one of us. There is no pan-Africanism in their minds. That's why we are having all these problems. What they have is just corruption, corruption, corruption all the day. So what do we do? What do we do going forward? Because right now, if you are saying that the cup of leaders that we have right now, only after their own self is interest, what do we do about political, you know, idealism, you know, most political parties that we have right now? They seem not to have a bit of perspective as by the direction they really want to go. Over time they just come, you know, during election campaigns and just make lofty promises at the end of the day. They go, when they are elected into offices, they seem to abandon all that they have promised the people. And what we have is that the people suffer for it. What do we begin to do going forward? Whether you are a hero or a man, you are a nupe man, you are Igbo or Hausa, God knows why He brought us together. If we don't do that for the benefit of the future of our generations, then Nigeria is doomed. The issue of regionalism, ethnic nationalism, tribalism, sentiments, we should do a way with it. When we do that and we form a formidable force, a formidable force in the sense that we come together as a united front to build Nigeria. We have all the texts in this country to make Nigeria a great nation. There is nothing we don't have, but what we have to do there must be a war against the discipline in this country where few people who just come on a mass wave take the common ways of the people into their pockets. It does not mean Nigeria has no money. We have everything, but this money goes directly into the pockets of selfish politicians. And that is why you cannot see since 1999 to date. Unless this government now that is trying to build roads, talk about a healthcare system and good education. Previously, you can see how our money were stashed away in foreign countries. Is this government now that are bringing back this money so that they will use it judiciously? All right. Thank you so much, engineer Kilani Mohamed, for your thoughts. We actually believe that if Nigerians were united and forged ahead, they would actually put the people first as against them selfish interests. I want to say thank you for your thoughts. We do appreciate it. Let's just get the last word from Dimeji. Dimeji, if you would, can you just profile lasting solutions to all that we have discussed so far? This sincerely speaking, the power to the people. As I said in my opening, that if a group of people are determined, if the government, regardless of who is in power, decides to do it, or what as in Africa, the people, the people, the citizens, do not accept all that is done by the government. All right, Dimeji. Dimeji, we seem to be having some disconnect. We are having some distortion in your audio. I want to say a very big thank you to you for joining us and we appreciate your input so far. Thank you very much. All right. Up next on the show, Nigerians tell us what region would manage the country better. I will leave you with that. My name is Justin Akadunye plus politics returns tomorrow. Bye for now. Nigeria is praying for good leaders. Whether coming from west, not south, we're looking for good leaders. And the good leaders who can control Nigeria, who can manage the resources of Nigeria because we have a lot of things. We have a lot of ways in Nigeria. It's because we have foundational issues. If not in an organized society where the system works, you don't need to know where a leader comes from. Because the leader could come from the north, leaders could come from the south. What matters is the welfare of the people, the generality of people. So it doesn't matter whether it's north or south. And let me even shock you. Even a leader that has come from the north, the northern people, they might even suffer under him. Why people that are not from his own ethnic extraction, original extraction, they might be enjoying it. So what we need is a leader that we see everybody as one. It's not a question of ethnicity. They are not done on south or anything. It's a question of individuals. And this period, to my own suggestion, they allow the youth to take over the mantle. We have intelligent youth who can take this country to the next level. At least the answers show that we have intelligent and organized youth. We have the crop of protection. We have now just old men who want to, you know, kind of recycle themselves and hand over to their children and all that. Both the northerners are corrupt. Satanists are corrupt because there are some people. They call themselves Godfather for both sides. It's in the north, it's in the south, you understand? The only thing we need now, we need somebody. God should give us somebody that has fear of God, that can manage this country very well.