 Live from Mountain View, California, it's The Cube at OpenStack Silicon Valley brought to you by headline sponsor, Mirantis. Here are your hosts, John Furrier and Jeff Frick. Jeff Frick, we're here at OpenStack Silicon Valley 2014 and we're joined by our next guest, the many time Cube alum, one of our women in tech, Diana Muller. Welcome. Thank you for having me here again, John and Jeff. I think we just had you at, yeah, we had our cheat sheet, they took it away, but we just, you were on in Atlanta and we had you on in Portland a year ago. And I'll be back on in Paris, hopefully. Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to be in Paris, we're working on the Paris angle. Anyone would like to sponsor The Cube at OpenStack in Paris? Let us know. We've got to fly a lot of gear and people over there. Well, we have this event, which is a nice, nice impromptu flash mob of community, which, by the way, is packed house. It's amazing. This, you have to give kudos to Mirantis for pulling this off and the OpenStack Foundation. This event is great. It's very timely in Silicon Valley. I did come down from Vancouver, BC, but it's a direct flight. So that's awesome. It's not Singapore. It's not Paris. But again, at the same time. You know, there is a center of gravity of developers working on OpenStack here in Silicon Valley. It is incredibly timely and the event is incredibly well orchestrated. So it's a pleasure being here. So obviously OpenStack is the center all of the action. Red had the top contributor really in terms of the lines of code. Some will debate that, but you know, it's the numbers of the numbers. It depends on the day of the week. A bug fix does not count as a code, but if you count that in there, HP is also doing a decent job. So you have the big guys really contributing value. And you guys recently put a blog post out just on September 9th, you passed the new milestone. Two million served applications and growing. Talk about what that means. Can you detail that out for us? That's been OpenShift, which is the platform as a service that runs on bare metal, OpenStack, AWS. We have an online offering, OpenShift.com. And there's been a little bit of debate recently about scaling and who scales better than what on whatever. But one of the things that we're really clear about is that our OpenShift online service is rock solid today. And we just passed a milestone. We've had over two million applications created on OpenShift online. And what the wonderful thing, my role is, I'm the community manager for OpenShift. And so all the feedback from those two million applications and all those end users comes back into the OpenSource project and ends up being utilized in OpenShift origin. The OpenSource project and OpenShift enterprise, the productized version of it. And what we've seen since 2011 is this huge growth in people wanting to adopt application life-cycle management services, like platform as a service. And now what we're seeing is some really interesting new innovations coming and the next release of Origin V3 is out there now being beta tested by some of our customers. And we've got two million served, but I'm sure there's lots more being served on enterprises right now. And there'll be a lot more new innovation coming soon too. So here's the update on Red Hat and OpenStack. Obviously dockerization was a big talk at OpenStack in Atlanta. They just got $40 million in funding. The hype is there. Obviously it's got traction. No one can yet see the business model with the developers there. Maybe it's going to be something like a Red Hat. What's your take on that? How do you guys talk around and all the trend around Docker? So Docker's a wonderful thing. Containerization is really what makes OpenShift Rock, what makes the developers life so much easier being able to containerize and create now Docker images. It's a wonderful lightweight way of creating images and redistributing them. But the next generation of things is not just having a single container, but it's being able to manage those containers, version them, scale them up and scale them down, network them together, and use them as different services. And that sort of orchestration piece is not quite there yet as an offering from Docker or anything. But what we're working on at OpenShift is the next generation, which is using Docker images as our container model and Google Kubernetes as the orchestration for those Docker images, plus another side project of ours called GearD that helps us wire up those Docker images so that they know about each other and can be scaled in a cluster or a pod or what have you so that they can be scaled up as interacting Docker images. And it's a new, the next generation is here now for Docker images and orchestration. And you'll see lots of different methodologies for wiring up Docker images and deploying applications. So I think they've got the momentum now. We've got the Docker, I think it's called Docker Hub. Now they changed it from index. But there's thousands of images now being shared and being done. The other thing that Red Hat is doing is certifying the Docker images, so having rail-based ones so that enterprises feel safe and can trust using those Docker images, we've got a program in place now for certifying that. And I think that's going to be a key thing to the success of Docker because knowing that you can trust what's in the image is going to be core to a lot of people's. So what's the big change in Red Hat? Has there been any change of sentiment, mindset since Atlanta? I mean, Atlanta was an interesting show because we saw that real sea-chain shift where OpenStack clearly was going to be the lead horse and amongst the other approaches. Eucalyptus is now sold to HP. All the woods behind one arrow. The marketing war was won. Now we've got to produce value. Certainly the two million serve is a good value there. But what's going on internally at Red Hat? Are people guns-blaring? Has there been any shifting? Has the wind shifted at all? Well, other than Brian Steven shifting over to Google, I think, and I, which I, congratulations on that appointment, I think that's a wonderful opportunity for him. We are still full steam ahead using deploying and helping build OpenStack as a project. But what we're really trying to do is create a cohesive, complete cloud strategy. And we walk the walk and talk the talk about hybrid cloud. We have definitely trying to make sure that people have everything from cloud forms and what we call X-Pads, the middleware that they need to create those enterprise workloads on cloud and make sure that the OpenStack distribution is rock solid, that the storage offerings with SEF and Buster are rock solid and create a complete cloud offering. I think we're one of the few folks out there, there are others because there's lots of people here at this event, that are really concentrating on getting from the bottom to the top the entire cloud stack, working and running from application development to compute resources to storage and all the networking pieces. And so that's, we're still full steam ahead on OpenStack. So we have a question from Tim Crawford, our virtual co-host, Tim. Thanks for chiming in, really appreciate it. We owe you one, have a beer, send you some cash. We love to have the crowd chat in here, but Tim's question is specific to you. There's quite a bit of momentum behind Cloud Foundry today. How does OpenShift address that? What differentiators? So I think the real differentiator is, is that it's a, we actually have a larger scale deployment now in our public offering than anyone other than probably Heroku for platform as a service. We may not be the best marketers in the world. I'll say that about an engineering driven company, but we definitely have the customer base out there. We have the Docker capabilities built into this current release of Origin v3 that's now in beta testing. We have been really pushing very hard to make sure that our enterprise customers and our rail customers have everything they need to deploy both OpenShift and OpenStack. So we're really kind of doing a different approach. I think Cloud Foundry has really gone down the Hadoop and other add-on services and sort of, I would call it the Bosch approach. They're really more focusing on making sure that Bosch and Cloud Foundry and all the other pieces of their acquisitions work together as a seamless piece, which is great for them. But for us, we're really focusing on having a complete cloud. Do you think Cloud Foundry's trying to boil over the ocean a little bit too much? A term used in Techland for taking on too much? They're probably not trying to boil any ocean. I think they've got some pieces that they're duct taping together with Bosch and making into an offering to sell on top of VMware or wherever they can sell those services. And I think they're making a very good go of it, but it's not a complete cloud offering. So I think they have a very different target market. And I also think that we're much more in the side of being a more of an open source, community-driven effort as opposed to being else-wise being collected. You really held your tongue on that last sentence. You've got to give them a good college try. They're working hard. Certainly, you know, they're putting it out there. And also the enterprise of unique requirements. Martin Mikos today took the stage as the CEO of Elite Polyptus as a technicality because he technically hasn't closed the sale yet with HB Martin Fink, CTO and GM of the Clouds up there. But Martin Mikos mentioned that the word lamp. Yes. He kind of threw it out there in a very kind of nuanced way. He didn't really drill down on it, he kind of threw it out there because his history of MySQL, well-known, and everyone loves him for that, he's just a great guy. But it's interesting. Linux drove the lamp stack development. If you look at the open source community, since lamp, the population of developers has significantly increased. The number of deployments in open source has significantly increased. Linux was a driver for that. The question to you is that, is Red Hat looking at this next wave, not post-Linux to be the same or less? What is different about lamp versus all the openness within like open stack? So I think that for me, the real difference between where we are from back in the day with Linux and where we are now is that businesses are really driving the cloud technology. And it's not just the core of the business, it's from around the edges of the businesses. They're actually pulling in, someone will want to spin up a cloud for the sales. Someone will use sales force. Someone will use something. So businesses are really driving where we're going with cloud technology and driving the adoption of cloud technologies. And that's different than back in the day when the lamp stack or Linux was first getting off the ground. That was more of a developer, core admin group of people that were really putting their heads together, trying to solve an OS problem. And here, what we have is another, a couple generations later almost, of developers driving a larger ecosystem of services and networking devices and all kinds of storage to become a cohesive cloud offering. And I think the core difference between the lamp stack evolution and the cloud evolution is how much more all of the edges of businesses are driving the adoption of cloud, which is quite different than what we were in the past. So Tim had to chime back to your answer, which I typed in. If CF Cloud Foundry is boiling the cloud ocean, could the same be said for Red Hat? Well, I don't think Cloud Foundry is boiling any oceans. So I'm not sure if I was clear about that, but I just don't think they're boiling any oceans. They have some specific tools and offerings that they're tying together with Bosch and making a product offering. But what Red Hat is doing that's clearly different from what Pivotal is doing is that we are offering a complete cloud with everything from cloud forms to manage and manage IQ, the open source project for that to the core offering of OpenStack and RDO to the platform as a service to the storage pieces. We have a complete cloud offering that we're bringing to the table for our customers. And I think that's, that along with all of the middleware from the Jboss team and WildFloat and even the Jenkins continuous deployment pieces that work with OpenShift. And we're taking this to the enterprises as a complete cloud offering from which they can just... It used to be the battleground was passed, but now passing to just an app on top of the infrastructure. So there really is just go for it. People can go for their own approach. So, you know, I always call myself the platform as a server, the Paz Queen, right? I love Paz for what it brings to the developer life cycle for the ability to build and deploy applications. But I also think that it is in an OpenStack world, it is a module on top of OpenStack that infrastructure and there are going to be lots of different solutions to this problem. Awesome. So what other updates can you share with us for Red Hat? I think I'm going to save them all for the platform as a service panel that's coming up in just a few minutes at 4.50 here. Yeah, but they're not watching it. They're not streaming it live. So come on, share some of that, two of those jewels with us. I'm going to leave it at that. Anything else I would say could be used against me by the gentleman in the video. Okay, so are you, are you, the Cloud Foundry guy just came over. We'll take him to the woodshed too. So when he comes up. Please do. We know, James, we love you guys. So we have, competition's a good thing and at the end of the day, customers want bulletproof. They want reliability. I think at the end of the day, that's what we've learned at Red Hat Summit. Yeah, and I think that the key that for us is really in the public cloud, we have put our best foot forward with online. We've tested and tried and trued and scaled up to over two million app being deployed on OpenShift. It is an app. That same technology that we use on online, we eat our own dog food and we make it and productize it so that you can actually use it in your enterprise and trust that it's going to scale. Well Diane, you know at theCUBE, we love to watch, commentate, opine, get the facts, share the data. We'll be watching. We've been tracking you guys for a long time. Love Red Hat. Congratulations. Thank you. I want to find out how your panel went and make sure you send us a note. This is theCUBE. We'll be right back with our next guest, live in Silicon Valley for the OpenStack SV event, kind of sandwich between Paris and Atlanta here in Silicon Valley with the innovations happening. 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