 So I'll initiate just to make sure everybody is can be heard. So Angelica, you can hear us and be heard. Right, Alicia, you can hear us and be heard. Yes, sorry about that. I was also just really quickly hoping that in the future I might be sent a panelist link because I did not have one. Of course. I got mine off of a calendar invite. So, but we could we, all the panel should get that link. And Ben, you can hear us and we can hear you. Yep. So there's two things. We don't have a chair yet. And so we had talked about doing that this time. And I guess it's up to the committee if we want to act on that or we want to wait till we have everybody here. And maybe before we do that, we just ask Margaret to say what do you think is on our agenda for today. Margaret. Yeah, I think what we were planning to do was to follow up on the discussion that started with was had a week ago, and to respond to some of the comments that were made because I know since that meeting last week. Bill Brown and Tim have had a chance to look in more detail at some of those. So that's the main event today was to close and to bring up anything else that they wanted to talk about. So what the committee like to move forward on our leadership decision, Alicia at the last time volunteer to be a co-chair, if someone else were to volunteer. So I think their choices are choose somebody amongst ourselves or someone who's not here. It's always a good strategy or to wait till that we have our full committee available. So I think that would be Ben and Alicia and Angelica terms of how you'd like to move forward. I'm just going to safely say I have no interest in being any kind of chair. I get this point any kind of chair. So maybe we just hold on that and Margaret if you could run the meeting. So out of it, that'd be helpful. I'm, I'll take, I'll take notes. So, so I think I'm just going to turn this over then to Tim and Bill to sort of pick up from where we left off last week. Great. Thank you, Margaret. That's what I'm going to share my screen so we can talk about, although I think Paul you'll have to let me. So from last week, we had a discussion of how we got from the site plan that was submitted and priced at SD. And how we're going to tweak it moving forward so that we can meet the value engineering targets and maintain all of what was built into design from feedback from the committee and educators and staff and moving forward how we can accommodate additional comments. And showed moving the basketball courts together, which was part of the comment we showed a reduction in the heartscape paving. We showed moving the outdoor learning a bit to work with the reduced paving overall. We had a rather robust discussion about the playgrounds and input there. And we are in the process of scheduling a meeting with educators and staff. It's a firm, but we're currently working with the design as discussed with the educators during SD but that is a continuing discussion. We heard commentary that this trail to the northeast of the site is an important asset and one of the features that makes it really valuable so we are going to maintain that in some way. And then in Britain, and comments that we heard last week, we, there was some discussion of the plaza and their relationship of the parking drop off to the front entrance, and there may be a bit car and parking focused rather than bike and pedestrian focused. And human focus. And so, it's always a balance between getting people to and from the door and the most accessible route forward and making parking convenient to the surface festival making sure that drop offs for both parents and buses work efficiently and safely. But we do think there is some room to adjust the balance a little bit. So we're going to go through some options that adjust the geometry of the parking loop and the bus drop off loop just a little bit to tweak things a little bit. And with that, we're going to present a few options. And I'm going to let Bill talk about the nuance and the differences between. We looked at four different options for how we accomplished sort of a larger plaza area. Outside of the doors and have a less automobile sort of focus drop off area, and also provide a larger gathering between the van drop off and and the automobile drop off. So, you know, the geometry generally stays the same in terms of the turning movements but we've taken the area of the automobile drop off and moved it north so that we have a larger sort of plaza area between where the doors are leading down to where the van drop off those. And, you know, we looked at moving the vans so that it's not located to the east or to the right of the screen. So we're, we are able to make this area, roughly the same dimension to accommodate vans. Since we had that discussion, you know, Tim may be aware that we weren't trying to increase the number of bands but what we wanted to really do was take, you know, roughly two bands that were to the right and move them to the left. So that's where we developed in this geometry. We also looked at another scheme where we changed the geometry slightly to get the tangent out of the driving path and basically do a circle and we wanted to see what the conditions were about. I think what you see is have, you know, less of an area sort of directly outside of the building. But you still have reasonable access from the vans as well. So as part of what we do on all these suggestions is we'll look at multiple schemes to find out what the best design solution is and then send it to the committee and have them weigh in as well. The next scheme looks at actually taking it even further north and what the ramifications are of doing that with parking. So if we begin to eliminate parking, get a larger space out in front of the doors. We need to replace parking and some location and this scheme looks at locating the parking space is sort of on that curve. So in reviewing that we thought that it would be best to look at a different solution alternative, because we'd like to take the cars that is shown around that curve and sort of move them back to where they were before. But that also has slight ramifications. So what we did is we looked at another scheme where we, and you can see down below where the bands are the van parking and straightened out and taken away from that corner. We had a straight area for the vans to pull off which I think is much better than having a kinked like we have it. We take the access for the cars and move it as far north I think as we feel comfortable, providing a nice sort of plaza area out front of the doors and it feels sort of more cohesive in terms of its kind of the van parking and drop off area as well. But in doing so, we need to replace the parking spaces that we're taking away in the three different parking areas and we've come up with a sketch where we do not need to move the access to the public roadway. We just add some parking spaces to the north and change the configuration slightly and add parking in that location. This doesn't really impact the site disturbance area to the north. So where that walkway is shown, that's to the north of the access drive. That's roughly where the roadway is currently right now so we're going to be disturbing that area. So, now it seemed that we were able to accomplish moving the parking north, we're able to establish a nice plaza area that's cohesive with the van drop off area. So, you know, make the circulation work pretty well. And then one of the other comments that we were responding to we just want to talk about potentially having all of the buses discharged at the front of the line at drop off and allowing all of the students to have the same experience coming into the front of the building which is part of the reason for moving the van drop off up. In addition to cleaning the geometry and making parking pulling in and getting out a little bit easier. But we also feel that this gives a flexibility to both use the southern entrance to the building and the main entrance as operationally the staff sees fit and then might even be discharged and drop off in the morning goes in the front where buses arrive on one at a time and in the afternoon when they're cute and everyone goes to their buses they might use the south entrance at the center of the building which gets you closer to the center of the loop where all of the buses will be parked and waiting and then just for a frame of reference I just wanted to show you this view which you've all seen many times we have not updated it since we've just done these sketches but essentially where the solar canopies are shown in this view would be the start of the curb so all of the area in the foreground of this images that is currently devoted to parking and vehicular traffic would be shifted to where the first support for the PB is so the foreground of this would all be pedestrian plaza and then the details of how that's the pointage where the bike racks would be we still have to figure out but we just wanted to talk about the general shift of location of the loops today. Do you guys have a preference for one of these options do you think one of them sort of is stronger than others. I think D most concisely addresses all of the feedback that we heard it makes the plaza the largest, the geometry of the drop off loops is the simplest in terms of curves and parking on curves. You know the one drawback of this option D is that a handful of parking spots are further from the building, and it's always a balance of convenience of people who are parking and people approaching the building but we think this is a pretty good balance. We think we've made space in front of the building better. So I see Paul has his hand up. Yeah, a few questions. In the parking lot will those be one way you anticipate the two lanes of traffic where the parking lot is is one way or two way. They are sized currently for two way traffic. I think at pick up and drop off. We've been told and we understand that it will be staffed and controlled. So the function at drop off and pick up time is one way around the loop, but it is wide enough for two lanes of traffic. And if that has to be adjusted to make it clear or well signed. You know, that's, that's something we have to get into as we detail the site further at our high school, we have like four rows of parking and they have that staggered one way than the other way than the other way than the other way. So, the second is the, I assume you would have to, it looks like you have bollards there in front of the building to protect the building from random cars cutting through, right. Correct. That's what those dots are. Yes. And I think, I think we had a previous comment about somehow in an emergency linking these to the two paved areas is that something that you're contemplating. That was shown in the SD set and certainly as we refine this, we, that will be included that that will mean things like ramps the curves, possibly removable bollards in some place. But that connection for the 360 degree emergency access is certainly going to be part of the final design. I think, practically, there'd be a gap between dollars and removable. Yes, I agree. Thank you. Since I might have if you're, I think this is, this is an improvement over what we saw last time I like that it's less car centered and more pedestrian bike friendly. So thank you. I see Alicia has her hand up. Alicia's hand went up down. I just also wanted to share the same sentiments as Paul and not I think this is a very much improved version and so I appreciate that you all took in that feedback and are bringing this to us. Okay, I also see that Kathy has her hand up. Can we bring Kathy in because I think she's not on the panel. Can I do that. Here's the challenge so this is we're not in public comment Kathy's not a member of the committee. If we open it means everybody gets to participate. Sorry, Kathy. But that's if we want to open up to everybody and I'll think that's our intent we wait till public comment. Okay. So Kathy, thanks for holding that question we can get the image back up when we get there. Does anybody else have any other comments. Before we, I think what Tim and bill need is confirmation that you all agree with Paul and Alicia that option D is the one that is the most responsive to the comments and that they would move forward with developing that Going once going twice. Okay. Well, Tim and bill what is next on your agenda. With taking outdoor education off the agenda that is what we have for today we are in the process of scheduling meetings with the staff to talk about outdoor education and the playground and other items of the site that we need to speak to them first but and as soon as that goes on the agenda for discussion with the subcommittee, but for today, unfortunately, this is what we have although I say unfortunately this is actually, I think a pretty good step in making the site. Better. No, it's definitely a better moment and thank you for turning that around so quickly. Okay, so we have Right now, I think in terms of next meetings. Just before we open it up to public comment. So, I think we had, we tentatively had another meeting next Wednesday, but I think we may need to reschedule that correct. The next subcommittee meeting would be on the 31st I think everybody's. Oh, sorry, Alicia I see your hand up. It's okay thank you I just had a couple of questions or things that I was hoping we might talk about today, or at some point she's not the right time. Sorry, I just ran up my stairs. My. So, a couple of things the basketball locations for the basketball courts. I was wondering if there had been any developments there, and the rectangular play area that was in between the two circles. Questions about those things I know we talked about them last week and so to see if there were any developments there and then I had brought up at one of the other meetings and it had gone in the parking lot. Yeah, the fencing. And so I'm wondering about the proposed fencing. And then my last question would be about, I know that there was a CPAC meeting and feedback and I was wondering if there were any particular things that we should know as a full committee that came out of that meeting. Because I don't think all of us were able to be there. So, let me make the general comment about the basketball court locations, the play area and the fencing that I think with Mike's taking a leave from the district. The district and the city are in the process of trying to figure out who's going to take the leadership role in this further side conversation because those three items all to one extent or another were came out of feedback that came from staff. So I think we're on those three, Alicia. I definitely have notes I think sort of are now in the parking lot for the subcommittee, but I don't think we can take them up today because we still don't have staff representation in this conversation. So consider them noted and being tracked on the CPAC meeting and feedback. I wasn't at that meeting either. But I know Angelica was and had actually asked for it. And Tim or Rick were you either of you at that meeting or was it just Donna. I was there. And I can report that the focus of the discussion was on building elements and program elements within the building and less site elements. Angelica do you want to add anything to them. Just to thank Tim and Donna for being president the CPAC meeting I think the community really appreciated and I'm glad to give some summaries and I'll also send everybody the list of comments. So I'll go ahead and send the committee since it's important for everybody to have access to it but I could just summarize some things that people discuss that we're. I don't know if it's building but you know there's concerns about loud like noise and addressing some of that for students that have sensory concerns. There are questions about near windows, you know, windows so that we can have, you know, address some light concerns because that might be an issue but as well as provide people with a possibility of observations. There are concerns about movement rooms. Also shade. So that was something that was raised about shades and students need shading and that might be something related to the playground so you know that's something to think about because Tim and Donna did mention that there was some redesign issues related to shading providing more shading outside. So, quiet spaces, spaces for you know the playground came up as well acoustics fencing at the new playground to be more inclusive and support parents of children who will low. So the fencing issue came up as well. Safety safety issues came up related to how much the the cafeteria is exposed so sadly we have to address some of those concerns nowadays about, you know, possibility of harm to our students and the kind of materials that the windows are made out of to address that and in case so and best practices for safety for intruders lighting. And so I'll send the information to but I just wanted to give everybody a sense of some of the issues that were discussed and we really appreciate Tim and Donna addressing that and such a helpful manner. That's great. It sounds like it was a really good, good opportunity for everybody to give feedback so. I hope you don't feel like I'm, I'm putting you off about this but I think we're kind of struggling to figure out how to bring the district perspective into the site subcommittee meeting because it's a component of those issues that you pointed out basketball court location, the rectangular play area and the fencing. So your hand is still up so yeah I just didn't want to button I wanted to make sure it was okay. But okay, I think that's fine. But my, my question there is there a way for us to get broader feedback on these things, as opposed to just like one representative that will be on this committee. So, basically just meaning like can we reach out to other staff because there are a number of staff who are with the kids on the ground, who might have a better idea. And who might have different ideas like I'm sure not all staff will think the same way about it and so I would like more like broad feedback. I don't know if there you know another survey we could do or something like that but I want to hear from more than just the representative that will be on this committee in terms of that. And I also like share that concern with community stakeholders and so I'm also really happy that you all were able to meet with CPAC I think that's great and I'm hoping that we may be able to extend that sort of ability to other key stakeholders to have to sort of come in and talk to you all about what they're hoping, or what their needs are to be addressed with the, well specifically the outdoor areas in the building. So, I'm thinking more particularly like, I don't know if we've talked to, if the rec center will be using our fields and if we've talked to the rec center or the community members who come and play there on a regular basis or if there are sports teams or just all of the people that will be using the field. If there's a way that we can have similar listening sessions for those people as well. So I see that Paul has his hand up. Is that in response to Alicia or is that Angelica was ahead of me though I think. Oh, sorry. This is my little hand icon is blends into my book case. No, I just wanted to add to what Alicia said and also, you know, a point out that are a lot of our meetings are happening at 9am. These are times that are not necessarily accessible for a lot of people. And one of the important stakeholders are students themselves, I know for the sensory environmental concerns, you know that a lot of high school students have input that can reflect they can reflect and provide us input with about their experiences, but these meetings obviously are happening during their school day. So there's any way that we could also get input from students themselves, or from not just staff representatives but also like for instance with the special education program be great to get information from there's a lot of staff in the special education program. So, as many, if there's any possibility of providing either meetings outside of these times or other ways in which people can send feedback that would be really important. Okay, Paul. Thank you. So I think, you know, the way I've been looking at this is that this is a school and that it's we really need to. Or especially the sort of core areas and talk to our educators about what works and what doesn't work. And Mike was sort of the person coordinating those those efforts and I think, you know, getting figure out who's going to, you know, the districts influx right now so find out who's going to be that organizing force at the district is, is the next step. So, I think what we, you know, we have an a principal and assistant principal on our committee and hopefully they'll be able to step up and but I don't know what their schedules are so hopefully, you know, they've been really active participants so you know, I think organizing that kind of staff input is something I think the district has to organize I don't think it's really on the architects or you'll be able to organize the staff and making that an efficient way of collecting the data and the information that they can bring. So, I think these are all the questions that people are bringing up are things that we have not resolved yet so I'm happy that I'm glad that they're on our agenda, including the play area the fencing in the basketball courts. So, yeah, so, so again it is I think about this I think about this is cool we really need to hear from the educators who work on the ground basically doing it and see what's working. They know it works and what doesn't work. Alicia, did you want to add something. I, I definitely appreciate and here where Paul is coming from I think my concern with that is just our timeline, and like how long we would be waiting to reach out to people and to expect them to return the feedback. So I'm even thinking, like, just to get something out there for now to first to staff for staff would be great. I'm not sure, like I'm just trying to think and I know that it would be more organized if we had like a point head person but like we've done surveys and we haven't done anything before. And so just wondering if we could generate or work on something like that so we're not just waiting. And we're sort of moving things along and that then, if it comes to a point where you know we didn't get as much feedback or we need to have an organization and what we're receiving that, at that point, maybe we will have someone in place for that. But I think maybe trying to figure out a plan now might be wise and not waiting for the leader, the leadership to come in from the school. Yeah, fair point Paul did you want to respond or have. I think maybe I didn't make it wasn't clear. So I'm not saying wait for a superintendent or anything like that I'm just taking our existing participants on on our school committee and seeing if they are able to step up and be that. So they did there. I think that's the quickest way to move and get strategic feedback. Because they know all the people involved Allison and can we do. I wasn't thinking of a new superintendent or anything like that taking on a role. Let's ask who Brian Bacon is. He's with Browns or dinner. Oh, okay, great. Good to know. Hi Brian. Good morning. All right, any other comments. Angelica has her hand up. I was just going to add to pause if, since we have Tammy and Allison, I know through CPAC what we did to we circulated a Google survey where we got information through, and that was sent to all the families with 504s and IEPs through the district office so if there's a community and I'm happy to share our Google form of just copying that and sending it through the district to families and staff, so that you could just connect collect through a Google form information that might be helpful. I'm going to make one comment and then escalation to make her comment you know I think one of the challenges of this moment and I definitely felt this strongly last week is that as a committee sort of put the design down for several months right the last time prior to last week the last time we looked at the site design was months ago right before the estimate. And so I think I think doing a survey is great, but I actually think in terms of getting feedback it's really important for people to understand the context of the design. And not just sort of be, I think it's hard for people to respond to the nuance of the design if they aren't familiar with what the sort of governing design ideas were. So that's, I don't, I'm not saying that because I know how to deal with us I'm just saying I think that is the challenge of this part of the process. So Alicia, did you want to add something. Yes, sorry, I'm also just thinking about what you just said. But what I was going to say and it sort of ties into that is I was going to just circle also back to asking about having other stakeholders, being able to put input and more listening sessions, and if that might be an option. Being I don't know more flexible and creative with our time so like if we want input from teachers clearly meeting during the teaching workday is not going to be a time where we can get input from teachers. I don't know if there's a way that we can do something at the school or something in person if we I don't know but I think being a little bit more creative about how we're reaching out to people if if surveys aren't the best option. That might be interesting but I was particularly coming back to that one just because I had also asked about meeting with other stakeholders and if we could have other like listening sessions I think. And you know I guess what I'm thinking is if we're going to do, if we're going to ask people to respond to a survey for instance we might ask them to review a video presentation about the design so that they are coming to it, kind of understanding what the thinking about is I mean there may be a way to sort of combine the two and kind of get at what you're talking about, not and not taking meeting in person off the table either. Okay, I see Paul, and then I see Alicia again. And Angelica's ahead of me again. I really can't see I need to. You need to put like a piece of black paper up on that corner. Angelica sorry. Alicia's point I think just a reminder that teachers are work to rule all staff is work to rule right now so we any meeting would have to occur during the school day so and that's presents a huge challenge but if there's a possibility that there is some kind of staff meeting or curriculum day. That would be that where it would be helpful to talk to Allison and Tammy about what are within the school day hours when teachers may be available and then having a listening session. In the CPAC meeting it was wonderful that Donna and Tim walked us through it, and walk walk through a video it was a really good model how one could do that for greater community engagement so I commend them on that and I think it yeah model. In terms of the survey it's not some of us that design surveys. It's not impossible. You just have to ask very pointed questions and yet having some kind of materials would be great or a video would be great and you could ask just to three very, you know specifically worded Taylor to what you're looking to get. Yeah, no I think the work to rule thing is, is, is part of the mix of the challenge of having staff involvement at this point so. Okay, so we've got Paul and Alicia and I honestly don't know who's hand went up first probably falls. But I think, you know, I think that's, that's why I think that having Allison and Tammy, they understand that those restrictions that we have. But also I think where we are today in this building process is that we're refining a design. We're not opening up doors to more things we're, we're trying to refine the design and that's what we're charged with as members of this committee. You know, we need to be continue to receive and we will receive today I'm sure more public comment. But I think in terms of the design process that we want this project to move forward and stay on track. We're, this is what the design team is trying to get our committee which we've broken up our work into to build a committee in the site committee to start making decisions. And sort of, we have to visit. I think we really need to hear from our educators. I think we can't I don't I would not support going out for surveys at this point in time I think we're really just trying to get very refined discussions about. And I just and I'm not equipped to answer this like our two playgrounds better than one playground I don't know the answer that so people who work in the field should be doing that. But I, you know, I think that where we are in the process as we've got a design and we're refining it and that's what our responsibilities are at this point. Alicia. Thank you. Yes, so I hear you Paul also and I think what I was meaning is more like targeted feedback like not just share anything you want in general. Specifically, I think because I was thinking about the three things that I asked about, which were the basketball courts, the rectangular playing field, and the fences like targeted feedback like how do you all feel about these three things specifically how do they, how do they play into your day to day work, what would be helpful in terms of these things like asking very specific feedback and I mean, I'm sure if it were a survey or if it were a session we could leave room for other general comments and I think the goal would be to get specific feedback on the things that we are looking at, and not just anything in general. And I think that, you know, just like Paul said like we don't know if it's better to have one playground or two playgrounds. I also don't think necessarily that answer lies with the teachers but I think their perspective is extremely important I also think parents perspectives are extremely important and so are the students and so I think we need to hear from all of these people in terms of like the specific areas that we're looking at. If we want to really make sure we're making the right decision for all peoples who will be using these spaces. Okay, so now I see no hands. And it's 948. Well, can I just ask if this group is good for meeting on the 31st because we definitely need you. Everybody good Paul got a thumbs up from Paul. Angelica, Alicia, then could you all join us on the 31st, same time same place. My apologies for me it's a maybe I'll be after the 30th traveling to the Ecuadorian Amazon so I will be dependent on my Wi Fi access. So, hopefully, I'll be available. Great. Okay, and so we'll get after Phoebe and Allison to make sure they can participate. Okay, so I want to. I think we need to turn to public comment. Can you see who is in. Maybe I can see who's in the audience. I think I can see who's in the audience. Are you able to to see Paul if there's anybody who has their hand up and wants to speak to Kathy want to come back now and make her comment from earlier. I'm sorry muted I was talking with us. So yeah I'm promoting with three other people with their hands up that we'll bring in. Okay. Can you hear us. Yes, I can. I'm going to say something that I didn't usually say I don't even think of saying but but I have to say I've been listening to the past half an hour or so to the subcommittee's deliberations. I'm, I'm, I'm concerned, because I hearing Angelica and Alicia particularly saying that they want to find they want more information they want listening sessions and and and all of the conversations of Brown data collection. And I have to say I think it's the job of people on the subcommittee at this stage of the process, if to go out themselves and get this become informed and become useful members of a subcommittee. I really don't think that you're being useful members of a subcommittee by by lobbying for other people to be brought in or surveys and so forth. It really is incumbent upon you as committee members at this stage, I believe, to have those conversations with these people these stakeholders that you think are important and perhaps not represented or not fully represented. Bring that information yourself back to this committee that's the process that's the purpose of your being here. And I think it's very disturbing to have this kind of discussion at a subcommittee at this stage of the beginning of the design development process. So, that's, that's something that I really think should be made clear to the members of this subcommittee. I have other things but this is the this is the most important to my point of view observation of the past 45 minutes. And I don't think I'm going to say anything else. Thank you. Thank you Bruce Maria. Okay, it, by the way, just so you know, when you admit somebody as a panelist, it literally takes several seconds to come back on all I get is like computer gibberish. We're aware. Okay. So, I was at the CPAC meeting and I thought Angelica did a great job chairing that. I have to say that I'm, I'm extremely frustrated. There are those of us who have been waiting some more patiently than others for months now to be able to come and have a conversation a dialogue with the designers about the athletic field component. This is a school however. The three of us that did the CPA application. For ourselves to do that we reached out to a lot of members that of the community who use these athletic fields community members who use these in organized and casual sports. And we have a lot of information that we desperately want to share with you, and it can't wait until June. We are supposed to be making decisions you're talking about parking lots and about configuration of the site. We have a lot of information we really, really want to share with you. That is not going to be conflicting with the use of this site as a school, obviously, we think it is harmonious with it, but we can't. We can't do that in three minutes of public comment. We can't do it with this stilted organization that you have, please let us talk to you and then you at we ask you questions you ask us questions we give you lots of information we sit down with maps. I'll do whatever you know I can show up a lot of different times, but there are others who do this work who can't right and they can't be here at nine o'clock on a weekday. Please, please give us the same courtesy to help you make this project as good as it can be. So we don't have to be messing with this site. So let's get it right the first time and we can do that if we talk with one another. Thank you. Hey, promote Kathy to analyst. Thank you, Maria. Hi everyone. I had. Can you all hear me. Okay, fine. I had one question on the proposed site plan D. And, and I'm going to also hold it. I know Dennis go and Margaret are gathering information and questions or issues that have been raised because for the Friday full committee thing. My question is coming in from the road bicycles and pedestrians. And I didn't know exactly where that is on the north end and or the south end. So it was sort of a question on safe, safe coming in not where they come once they're in. And the second was on and I'm not looking for answers on this right now, but just sort of some thinking as we move forward on bike racks. There's two types of groups that are likely to be hopefully riding would be the kids and presumably their bike racks would be really near the school someplace where they could park them. But during after hours or on weekends, the athletic fields. So, are we thinking of locations for two different sets so that was just purely a question on bike and pedestrian coming in. And then I've got a second thing Paul to say but I just wanted to, and I don't need a response on this I just, you know, I realize this is in the works. So maybe when we, if option D becomes the one that's brought to the full committee with some discussion, you can just be thinking about those. And I went out and walk the site again, which I've been trying to do on trying to figure out what the entrance on the north will look like and where there is a sidewalk already where the kids might be coming and crosswalks. So I wanted to think of getting to the site, not just do that. And then with this, I know Ben is still on but I want to make sure that the transportation people at the school on who, who are out there in the morning with the buses and the vans. Anything we do we run by them with this to make sure that drop off works really well and I know you did that first time around but as as these things move. I don't see Tim's nodding has had. Because again, I don't have an opinion on it I just want to make sure that it works. So my, my other is the piece of trying to organize the getting the staff on Friday, you know we will be talking with Allison and Tammy on trying to think of how some of the interactions that Mike was playing a role with with getting to the school. I know we have an outdoor learning, Jen, who has worked with the community gardens and stuff was trying to think of where their opportunities and Tammy and me and Allison can both help us organize that so as Angelica said that it's with the work to rule that there might be space during the day. So just as we think of the next few weeks, trying to put that put that into play. So my main things you know I'm, as you know I was not here last week. I did watch the tape for the building committee subcommittee meeting. I think we didn't get a recording somehow of last week's site committee, at least Angela said she didn't have one to send me so I've been trying to catch up by watching them and I'm going to make sure that we have links to them so anyone on the site committee, the big committee that didn't go to the building committee or that didn't go to the site committee because I think there's a lot of interest in site so one of the questions I'll put open to people on Friday, whether some of those are the next site, we may make a committee of the whole meeting fall just on there if there are other people, Tammy didn't come to this because Allison was listed for example, we don't want to not have people come or have an opportunity as either site or building issues happen so that's my sort of comment as chair for the discussion we're going to have on Friday on reporting back. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to bring Rudy in. Okay, can you hear me now. Yes. Yes. Okay, great thank you. I sent written comments on Monday morning I'm not going to repeat all of those I'm assuming the denisco folks have probably got forwarded that and that the committee members I'll show it but two things I wanted to highlight from that is my seconding of Maria suggestion that there needs to be a similar kind of meeting that the CPAC folks had for the people using the community recreational fields aspect of this project. I've talked with a couple of the key people from the youth soccer program and the youth ultimate programs. And I know they just will have a lot of thoughts about where nets get stored where how the field should be angled or not to get the right dimensions and overlapped and so on. So I really hope we can do that soon before we've, you know, locked in the ultimate, the ultimate dimensions of the field area I realized that you know we don't need to design the actual field as well. So I think that's one of the things that's being used that that's, you know, for probably for wreck department and the teams but just making sure we've optimized the overall dimensions by how we've placed that portion of the site, and the drainage that we're looking for that I think is really critical to do soon so I just second that hope we can arrange that soon and I, I'm talking to people and we'll try to figure out when they can meet but their times are very constrained to the second point I wanted to just underscore is areas and maybe you've done it on the site plans and I just didn't notice it in looking through the site layout is future outdoor tentable or areas for learning or areas we could build future outdoor pavilions I think that's we're going to see another pandemic or two in the neck in the lifespan of this school for sure. So this is our opportunity to take the lessons. I know everyone wants to forget the pandemic, but the tools were severely impacted. And so a lot of ad hoc outdoor spaces created from like folding chairs out on the lawn to like getting some stuff. And I'd like us to plan for that. If we can where the ideal locations and make sure if we can cheaply put power drop conduits out to those locations for the future. I think that would be fairly cheap to add to the options if we have to deal with that and just it's nice to meet outside sometimes as I'm sure the teachers will tell you in the kids so that we don't have to wait for a pandemic to get advantage of these things so I hope if you haven't seen my comments I hope you'll take a look at looks like you're addressing a lot of the things that I and other raised I really appreciate that about de emphasizing a little bit cars at the school and making sure our kids can enter the school at the location the front entrance where it's being designed to have the maximum impact and the maximum security for them. So thank you very much. Thank you Rudy. Tony bring Tony in. I really stole a lot of my comments. So I want to echo the thanks to Tim and Bill in particular and Rick for their responsiveness in considering a shift of the parking and car driveway to the north to place more emphasis on pedestrian and bike access at the front entrance Plaza. I really appreciate those efforts to also direct student traffic through the front doors I really think that's very important. So thank you it's very refreshing and nice to see how responsive you've been. Not that you haven't been responsive in the past. And I wanted to ask about the feasibility of shifting the nature trail as far north and east as possible, and also linking it to the Fort River Community Gardens in the south to try to get it to be as wide a perimeter as possible and I know there's wetlands to the east but I wondered, depending on the surface of that nature trail. Are there more restrictions on moving into wetland areas for example if it wasn't paved if it was wood chips if it was dirt is that can you go further east I'm not sure what your plan is for the surface of the nature trail the whole way around. I'm at a meeting recently one of the town counselors who was a campus planner at UMass and had designed parking lots asked about the number of lanes in the car parking area and that long driveway and the need for it. I don't know anything about designing park car parks, but I wonder is that long car driveway truly necessary. And you know that it's the entire length of that parking lot is there another way to design it so there's less roadway at the parking at the parking lot. And I want to third Maria Maria is pleased to have two way dialogue with the stakeholders primarily primarily interested in the athletic fields and Rudy also put that very well. I do think there's a lot of great input you can get from the softball players the soccer players the ultimate players, and yes Rudy has represented ultimate a little bit and Maria has represented softball a little bit but I think you're still missing a lot of input from users of these fields and including Ray Harp who's the recreational director I don't know that Ray has been actively involved in dimensions of the athletic fields area and drainage and how large it should be for various field connotations or or different layouts and yes also Rudy's comments about outdoor learning areas and planning for power and wifi access points to as many areas outside as possible because like my kids were home for a whole year. And I think if we can plan so that if there is another pandemic that we can have the kids at the school and be outside and have the teachers like shade, it wouldn't have to be in the plans originally but know that in the future you could add you have power and you have internet capabilities in outside areas so that classes can be held outside in the case of the pandemic. And thank you again I really really like D so I appreciate everything you've done. Thank you Tony. I see no other public comments. Margaret. I do not either so I think we are all set. So it's 1006. And I think we can adjourn. Thank you all. Thank you everybody. See you in a couple of weeks.