 Cmwych i, rydyn ni'n dweud i'n ddweud i gynnuno eich intro. 3. Thank you, Satlichenko, jod y môl i'r cyfle. Mae'n meddwl, rydyn ni'n meddwl ym ziw wneud at y por Testing ac yn gallu gweld iawn i bwysig o syniadau a bydddon a bwysig i gael i ddweud, ac yn cael ei wahanol i'r thysg o gyfores. Os ydych yn ganddo. Gweithio'n gwneud ychydig i'r ysgol o'r ysgol yn y sector. Y cataillus ymlaen i'w ddweud yw'r ardal yn y blog article ar Andrew Domeo y Gartner. Mae'r ystafell ar y cyfnod i'w gwneud hynny. Gweithio'r ysgol ar gyfer y cywbeth yma gan Andrew Ion yn y moment. I'n ysgolwyr hwnnw i'ch bywyd ym Sorff yn eich lefannu dyma'n ddysgu hollwch chi'n gweithio'r ysgolwch ar y summit. Yn y cymdeithasol, byddwn i'n mynd i'n ymweld i'r tynnu o'r dewis ar y moment. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, felly mae'r co increases, mae yna'r ysg HA dwiwn i, mae'r cinsiad o'i prefer yma. Mae'r hastor fel sydd mae'n gyfr 오ir a'r Rowan i wneud newidiantylon ent 128. mae'r Rhyw plrem, yn mynd i fi'nLyfr, yn bwyd�리 cyfnew Lie Jonan Gwrdd ar g pregunt we have to do say, well, it's all very well, but let's prove it. So just to start off with, I've got a couple of quotes here from Henry Chesbryh, which many of you know is the person that is put up and has put and published a number of books around the open innovation, and the one that I particularly liked was open services innovation as well. And there's a couple of things there. You know, there's nothing startling, but I think they do possibly just draw a few conclusions, both for Europe and the European Commission, the European Union. But also the fact is that to be innovative, you really do need to think openly. And I think part of that, as he says there, part of it is to share the risks and rewards of innovation rather than just to hold it central. So a quarter, what Chesbryh is saying, is very much the concept of building a network, building partners, building people that collaborate together, but also know how you build your own value in there. And one of the exemplars that he gives in his books, of course, is open source software that we all know and love. But nowhere do we find much discussion on the use of open innovation in the IT market or indeed the use of open innovation within government. So part of the things that we thought today for our summit is we should start to explore that aspect. So if we could just come and then pick up what Andrew Dimeo said, is Andrew Dimeo in his blog put up a couple of points. If I can just try and get my slides, I can see them because it's hard to look from behind otherwise. He really, as I said, is acted as a catalyst for this debate. And the first quote up there, I'm convinced he had open forum Europe in mind when he wrote it. So basically, as long as you had open in front of everything, it's all going to be all right and nobody's going to argue with you. But there's another emphasis that comes out to say there, is that if you start pushing for everything to be open by default, and that citizen participation is an absolute priority. But what he then balanced that with was very much saying that's all very well, but in government, as in many other organisations, there's huge financial pressures on at the moment, the whole issue about sustainability. And is this the right thing to make it stick in a very challenging environment? And one of the blogs he goes in there talks about the need to be selfish. So if you are in governments, you've really got to look after yourself. And just because your minister says this is the right thing to do, this is actually what is going to move the world. Are these the priorities? And I think what he's challenged is not to say that open is wrong, but at the minute, maybe this isn't the top priority in government. So that's really where we wanted to pick up the debate, because if he's right, then why have we been worrying so much about the European interoperability framework? Because you don't need pan European interoperability, do you? Why do we have any government programme within the European Commission where we can close that down as well? Because that's all about people working together. So unless there is actually a driver for collaboration, many of the things that we talk about in form of openness really are for the birds. Very nice and interesting, but is it necessary? Now you might just gather I'm being a little bit devil's advocate with some of these comments. But that's really what we wanted to pick up on in the panel this morning. So I'm really pleased that I've managed to persuade three individuals that I know well to pick up that debate, and I hope they're not all going to agree. So starting from my side is, nearest to me is Jerry Fishenden. Now here's a first start because Jerry of course