 This morning we have the privilege of the first lecture of Robert Moore for us in this conference Robert Moore is a Jungian analyst He is a training analyst at the CG Jung Institute in Chicago He is also professor of psychology and religion at Chicago Theological Seminary He's the editor of Carl Jung and Christian spirituality, which is a book that you will find over here on the table There are Six more volumes already under contract of this series that book is a series and There are six others on the contract which will examine the relationship of Carl Jung to others are major religions of the world He's the president of the Institute for World Spirituality as well and and also is the co-editor of Jung's challenge to contemporary religion Robert was a lecturer for us a few years ago and He spoke then on the masculine archetype in a very powerful way At that particular time we were into a lot of the feminine archetype and the feminine involvement and There were a lot of men that said we need some masculine Input and so we called upon Robert and it was a powerful series And I know what he has to offer for us now will also be a powerful time and experience Thank you, Jim It's a pleasure for me to be Here with journey into wholeness again, it's an honor for me to be part of the advisory board I Really believe in the work that Jim and Annette and all of you are doing. I think it's one of the most important institutionalizations of the provision of a form for for the discussion of the important relationships between Jungian thought in general and Christian spirituality and in particular as well as the wide-spread struggle to formulate a human spirituality which is equal to a postmodern planetary culture and this is a Enormously important thing and it's a joy to be with all of you and John dowley last evening was emphasizing a lot of the contribution as he views it of of Jung's theological ideas I'm going to emphasize this morning, especially and in my second lecture The psychology itself the the uniqueness of Jung psychology and why it is we turn to Jung psychology particularly and not just others And so I want to say a little bit about the uniqueness of Jung psychology for those of you who are not schooled in comparative psychology or comparative psychoanalytic theory I'm privileged to have the responsibility of teaching comparative psychoanalytic theory at the doctoral level and as some of you know Before I was a Jungian psychoanalyst. I was an Adelaerian psychoanalyst and Before I wrote anything on Jung. I wrote my first book was a Freudian book so I have sort of Recapitulated the history of the psychoanalytic movement in my long journey My niece once asked me why I went to school so long and I said honey some of us just take longer than others to get around to the right things But let me just say just a word It seems to me that the genius of Jung psychology which we Who are our theorists and practitioners of his psychology have to Constantly keep in mind is his understanding that the unconscious is structured Now this this is an incredibly important idea and let me just say why because it's the only school of psychoanalytic theory that views the unconscious as a Place that can actually be mapped It is related to Chomsky's model of linguistics That there are in fact deep structures in the human psyche in the unconscious that the unconscious is not just like Freudians used to teach A cauldron of energy that is basically chaotic the unconscious is full of deep structures which influence and in too many ways Determine the life of the ego and So if you think a moment about that if if Jung is right as I believe he is it means that serious careful study can help open up a Geography of the inner world So that you will not be totally lost when you start exploring the psyche and psychic life That is there are predictable things that you can recognize in the inner world and this is not Something which is just somebody's Consexual idea. These are things which Jung viewed as being something we find empirically through research This is a phenomenological investigation. These are not somebody's strange mystical religious ideas These are structures in the psyche which can be seen whether you're a Jungian or not if you can look carefully enough and So what I want to emphasize this morning is is Jung psychology as a scientific empirical psychology of the deep structures of the human unconscious The way to talk about this is The archetypes are not Jungian They are human Jung simply was a pioneer and Map beginning to map them and there have been others that have done this now What I want I'll get to end now get into showing you why that is important in the context of our conference and our topic The first thing I'd like to do a number of things. I've got too much here To do and we'll see how far we get this morning and I'll pick up if I don't get as far as I want to get I'll pick up in the second presentation tomorrow But but here's the way I want to proceed first I want to give you a quick geography of The different spaces in the unconscious in the objective psyche particularly located in what we call the the archetypal self or the kinyongtio Then I want to show you where I in terms of my research locate the psychology of Satan There is a particular location in the archetypal structures in the psyche where you can see the human preoccupation with evil and Then I will move into elaborating that in terms of what has been called the combat myth Because the struggle between good and evil has always in human culture been been talked about in terms of the combat myth and I want to lay to show you the salient aspects of the combat myth and Then I want to show you some different Psycho-analytic perspectives on what may be going on in this combat myth What is this that is being combated in other words? We need this morning to reflect upon the psychological understanding of what we would call evil And we throw around the word evil on And we tend to get too much into these meta meta meta meta Discussions about the provatio bony and all these things But I'm a clinician primarily And not a meta meta meta theoretician primarily and so I want to show you In today and and tomorrow the concrete clinical experiential Things in psychopathology that you can recognize as being manifestations of psychology of evil Now during the course of our discussions We will have an opportunity for you to think and do your spiritual theology because you're all going to have to do your own theology of this stuff Because because it admits of different interpretations and so one of the last things I'll try to get to today is Showing you what Paul Recour the great philosopher would call the the conflict of interpretations on this there are many ways to draw conclusions about The way in which evil is structured psychologically and the meaning of that theologically So we will see I'm just going to present to you some of the options I will tell you what seems to make more sense to me, but I can't play Vatican here for you. So you're you're going to have to you're going to have to do your own theology and struggle with that this week So if you're ready Feel free to raise your hand during my presentation. I'm going to go awfully fast the material this morning is about eight hours of material I'm gonna I'm gonna hit the ground running I've got to be able to see it too the This first business is is a business. This is research in process now and It's going to take a long time to develop this adequately But I I'm known more for my work on the psychoanalysis of space and ritual around the world I I'm I'm known widely in terms of being a specialist and in the study of psychoanalysis and ritual in particularly ritual spaces I have continued that work and I have come to work on a kind of a structural analysis Which is which is grounded in young thought but carries it forward empirically in terms of the different spaces in the psyche in terms of the different ways in which the You you've have studied some alchemy and you know that young talked a lot about the the Mysterium can you see on us the the king and queen within And that many young years leave that is the most adequate representation of the archetypal self that the archetypal self People talk about it being represented clearly with Christ But actually the most adequate in terms of young in fact when Alice's the most adequate representation of the archetypal self is really is really the Rex and Regina the the king and queen of the alchemical couple and This you see this clearly in terms of the fact that we are all containing we all contain both sexes in the deep structures of our psyche and But what I have found in my work is that this this archetypal couple When you look empirically at individuals you find them you find that they manifest themselves in very discreet ways in different people and And while you can say that the that the center of the psyche is expressed in image best in terms of the king and queen You also find a warrior couple within You also find a priest and priestess within or the magician couple you also find a pair of lovers within If I had time I would go into a lot of the mythology which elaborates this now in terms of world mythology the king and queen Take on these different personas At different times in their life if they're making love They're manifesting in this form aphrodite in error If they are manifesting as the great Magician you may seem Morton Smith's book Jesus the magician Well, then they are in this form if they're the priest and priestess of magic. They're they're represented here if they are If they are on the warpath We see there's a lot of marriages here I'm not kidding you. I want I will get into that because because if you if you are in the warrior space and You're trying to deal with your spouse and Your spouse doesn't understand this deep structural psychological stuff That spouse may get into the warrior space with you And if you don't understand that your job together is to fight chaos and not each other You're going to have problems But anyway, so so so the king and queen manifest this way and then they manifest in terms of their role as the center of the world and so you have Four different Manifestations in the Kenyum to you and the only way to really get a sense for this is to study world mythology about the gods and goddesses And you will see when you study the gods and goddesses you start with Jean Bolin's work on this Gods and every woman goddesses and every woman gods and every man so forth And you can see in the variety of the expressions of the gods in mythology Different ways in which different times in which they manifest in these different ways, but it's all The in terms of a psychoanalytic viewpoint It's all various manifestations of the great man and the great woman within which is the archetypal self Now That's a whole thing in itself. Yes. Oh, yes. I'm going to do that right now The four different spaces that are created This is the interesting thing that and I'm teaching courses now on on the relationship of this to couple therapy Because because there they're distinct psycho social spaces Spaces that exist in each of these with each of these couples as they manifest in in the psyche If a husband or a wife is in the king and queen On the throne kind of space They will be almost all parents They will be invested in creating a cosmos or world This is cosmos in the technical sense that Iliad uses it This is a ordered justly ordered world And there's no sexuality to speak out here You wouldn't even know that the king and queen had genitals in this in this modality And when a husband and wife get into this Their sex life goes to hell You see if they're locked into this Now so the space That emerges The king and queen is this this world building or we'd say family building home building nest making You know business building You know so forth so on church building But anyway, it's a very special kind of space with very special kind of concerns and it excludes the others If you want to know why some clergy are not interested in spiritual direction Ask yourself. Well, are they locked into the king stuff or the queen stuff? Because if they're into the king being the king or queen They're not they're probably not interested in the spiritual direction stuff Which is here Okay, you follow that Okay, so the space the space of spiritual direction is here the spiritual direction and liturgical leadership in which is serious liturgy serious ritual Serious attempts at transformation is liminal space liminality sacred space transformative space That is the space that opens up when the psyche the the great south is manifest in this form This is what the psychoanalyst has to get into But must get into it consciously Gene and Wallace cliff we're we're talking the other night about about how easy it is for psychoanalyst to to become inflated in an identification with the great magician And priests and spiritual directors and clergy do that too So uh, so you got to realize this is a part of the great self and you you need to utilize it but not identify with it That's the principle. We'll be operating on the dust So down here. This is the garden space. This is the Eden The space of passion It's either it's it is the garden of delight and it is the garden of sorrow When this is the space of intense Love and vulnerability Vulnerability See if you love I guarantee you you will suffer see They don't they don't come separately If you love you will suffer and and that is the space of the lover And uh, it has a specific purpose in the psyche of making you human See that's its purpose to making you feel but if you don't love you're not vulnerable See if you're not vulnerable, you're not human Of course, you can get in trouble with this and you can spend a little time thinking well How do you get in trouble with this? Well, you get in trouble with this when you identify with a great magician A man gets in trouble with this when he when he identifies with a great phallus I'm serious Uh, and the woman with the great yawning So many men so little time Okay, now I wish I had more time we'd go into that more but But that's not our purpose this morning I'm trying to locate the struggle with evil in the psyche archetypally now. That's where we come here It is in the warrior space that the archetypal structures in terms of the the archetypal combat with evil is it And the space here Right right, uh here jihad it's the muslim idea of spiritual warfare struggle That's what jihad means to the muslim to the muslim Particularly if you want to understand the shi'i They're mainlining. They're shooting up this archetypal structure Their their spirituality is is is centered right here service to Allah Is struggle And if you're not struggling in the spiritual warfare Spiritual warfare you are not a muslim And so that is where this is located and this in christian mythology excuse me Liberation theology is locked right there uh Armageddon The the the apocalyptic fantasies of the religious rights are locked right here And so So there is this struggle Now notice this this could when you don't when you don't know about this stuff You can be husband and wife here, and then you can have always armageddon between you And you know there used to be a lot of so-called marital therapists That would play less you and him fight You two are not what's wrong with you is you two are not fighting enough you know They ought to be sued from our practice my view Because if a couple is locked into this more fighting doesn't help All you get is our gothara damarang Where the where the god and the goddess make Magnificent majestic warfare Like uh world war two battleships with their 16 inch guns going this way But anyway the important thing to realize is that this is the space of combat with evil In the psyche, yes Well, you got to have some understand that That uh their warrior self is real fine and dandy and good, but it exists to destroy And uh and if they have to learn to participate in some of these other spaces And what I do in my couple work my work with couples is I immediately come here And I said hey you two We need to help you find the garden because you have lost it And you show me a couple with a lot of marital problems. I'll show you a couple that has lost the garden Yes Well that thing is that that's got a lot of wonderful archetypal Uh modes, but now we got to move on Remember where we are here. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna deepen this now. We've got to get into this space more deeply You ready you're located here Okay, here we go. Stay there because this is an elaboration of that space This is the combat myth. Let me give you a reference for you that Love getting into serious mythological and historical research There's a new book out with uh princeton university press By a man the name of four sites f or s y t eight It's called the old enemy And it is a comparative study of the combat myth Now remember we're dealing with this not from historical critical work In mythology we're dealing with in terms of the psychology archetype But what this man has done is in my view provided you with a wonderful study Of the archetype of the sacred combat Here it is right here. They just happened to have some copies of this It's also very cheap, isn't it sis I think it's all it doesn't say they they didn't put the price in for you. Okay. Okay, it's on about 67 50 But it's worth it If you really want to understand the archetypal dynamics behind the human struggle about evil It's the best thing I've ever seen And what we will do in just a minute is go through some of this But anyway, you've got to get a sense that in the psyche The warrior aspect of of the psyche When it is functioning correctly Serves the king and the queen there's your knighthood ideal Now what is the nature of the service? It is to defend cosmos Just order a a moral order Against the forces of chaos That is what it's for the warrior in the psyche archetypally in every culture Is to defend the just order The moral order Against the forces of chaos Now you can see this a lot of ways archetypally and if you study mandala What a mandala is is an image of cosmos And at the center archetypally is the Two-throne of the kinyonkyo Now in patriarchal cultures, there's one throne And in matriarchal cultures, there's one throne In the human psyche, there are two thrones And in the more primitive mythologies that you study you see two thrones In other words in the deeper structures of the psyche expressions in myth you will always see two thrones not one You can see it in the ancient egyptian mythology and you see it in a lot of the the extremely old mythologies And they have different they have different wraps on that But if you understand this stuff Psychodynamically, you can see that this is the throne of the kinyonkyo see the two thrones But it's always identified with a lot of archetypal imagery You've got to study your iliotti to understand this the oxus mundi the center of the world The sacred tree Who is the sacred tree? It's either the king or the queen or both always The cross of christ of course is The sacred tree at the center of the cosmos You must find the center of the oxus mundi of the cosmos or there will be chaos evil will triumph Okay, so in the spatial Portrait of the world that you see in the ancient world. It is always mondialic always And if you study ancient cities Cities are images of cosmos polis is cosmos in microcosm So if you study memphis in ancient egypt Or not not tennessee You study you study that's right, but but if you the some of the most interesting studies today are in geography Sacred geography in geography department And our studies in architecture and geography departments where they're studying The archetypal images of the city because they're grounded right here on this for our purposes We have to see that the thing which impinges and threatens always is chaos from the outside of the cosmos And you could even envision this as a sphere And chaos comes from all directions and it is the king and queen in their in their Incarnation as warlords When they get up and go to defend the world against the forces of chaos Now in human history that gets divided into social roles and you get the knights Who defend the king Under queen but in fact they are expressing an aspect Of the great general himself or herself The warlord who carries the fight to chaos In other words the king doesn't always sit on the throne Sometimes they get up and button up With their armor and pick up the sword Now you can see what my favorite image of the queen and her in her warlord Garb is aliens too Sigourney weaver my heroine And and if you haven't seen aliens too, you got to see aliens too because that is an image I tell my female CF theologian friends if you want to see an image Of the god Liberator in female form Sigourney weaver and aliens too If you hadn't seen it you got to check that out I always try to sell vcr as I get a commission Now the combat myth is often portrayed like this And but you need to realize that these are the same images just presented differently remember that The god king queen Always They are the center and so wherever they are they are the center So when you're representing this spatially Uh You've got a problem But you need to recognize that this and this Is really describing the same space But here our experience in the psyche our experience of the enemy if you've seen sam keen's book faces of the enemy We experienced the enemy out there In fact the less developed we are in terms of psychodynamics That's where we experienced the enemy first Uh the more developed we are spiritually and this is true of every human spiritual tradition of any depth The first place you encounter the enemy is within And only then do you turn to encountering the enemy without This is true in the martial arts Uh in the oriental martial arts as well as uh a lot of our own spiritual traditions But let me just run through this To somebody get me a little water i'm gonna run out of voice if we don't This again here is the plane you can see the plane of struggle And in this old enemy book You get a comparative charting of the different expressions that this is taking in human culture And if you look at that and you don't believe in the archetype then i can't help you Here we've got i'll i'll just go through these i hope you can hear me You've read beowulf Who is the archetypal christian king Grindle the dragon and they're struggling in the patriarchal myth Marduk Fighting the great dragon of chaos tiamat now. This is uh what i consider a patriarchal fantasy, you know Men love to dismember feminine grandiosity and women love to dismember masculine grandiosity The hard thing is for men to dismember masculine grandiosity and for women to dismember feminine grandiosity We'll get more to that in a little bit, but anyway in patriarchal myth The the masculine hero takes on the giant forces feminine forces of chaos. So there's an image of evil In zoroastrianism you get Ahura mazda The lord of light Fighting ahura man lord of darkness in jewish tradition Uh, there are a lot of really excellent studies coming out now about yahweh as warrior In fact being a good southerner. I kind of appreciate this. There are some scholars that think that Yahweh is what the hebrus shouted when they attacked And that's kind of like a rebel yell yahoo That's serious bible scholars out. Honestly, they they've begun to think that yahweh was a battle cry And it was an invocation of the war god so they would win and uh So when that when yahweh is attacking the forces of bail Bail represents chaos. This is the dark lord In indonesian mythology, I was privileged to travel extensively in indonesia recently Form of hinduism the great epic ramayana In the ramayana. It's the great lord Rama. That's a hindu christ figure And who he is in struggle with is rakhwana. I started to bring my great rakhwana mask I thought I better wait until I practice with that thing a little bit more So we don't get anybody possessed during any of these conferences, but I mean it's a great demon phase, you know But rakhwana is the great lord of evil the great lord of chaos And Rama the whole ramayana is the story and in indonesia. This myth is alive This is a little bit if you you know, you don't go to the movies so much in indonesia as you go to the dances in the center of the town and The all people of all ages come out and and everybody has tried out to be The different parts in this epic and they present on the stage the ramayana And everywhere you look it's the ramayana and they dance this myth And it's alive for them and on their ancient temples. This is the myth. It's on their temple You can study hinduism in america and never even learn about this You can well hinduism is this that and the other but in indonesia hindu hinduism is the ramayana And of course in our myth You get the christ satan conflict Yes Exactly now see what i'm trying to get you to see We're just doing psychology now. This is just archetypal psychology. This is in your wiring and this is not in your software This is in the main drive And what you've got to realize is all these real sweet nice folks, you know that are going to do away with war I hate to tell them But warfare is built in to the hard drive So in my view and this is what I think you as christians need to think about In my view the question is not whether we're going to do away with warfare or not The question is whether we're going to engage in the real war or not Human beings love to make war especially men. I'm I agree with the feminists here While there is a female warrior in the hard drive Of a woman and you see it in sigourney While there's a hard drive while she's in the hard drive That doesn't get as much electricity in the typical woman most of the time unless she has to turn those circuits on Men are wired for that constantly And if you watch little masculine games we call them blank contest Think about that But anyway, they're little war games war games or masculine games And the the the tragic thing is in one view If if the psyche in its in its instinctual form is tragic and I guess in some ways you might say that But that's not going to change what in my view what you've got to do Is to understand what the real enemy is And that's what our job this morning is and it's psychologically and you can do your own theology of it Psychodynamically speaking I want to get now to what the real enemy is psychologically And you can see this Uh In studying human mythology as well as in studying comparative psychoanalytic theory What is the enemy within? Now I want to address Just briefly Scott peck's book people of the lie Uh His road less traveled is a fine book people of the lie is a dangerous book and a and a very very misleading book Even At the time that peck understands a lot of important points about this Where I can say that I want to suggest that you look at peck's book. So, you'll know it's good points. It's bad points He identifies the psychodynamics of evil as lying and in pathological narcissism I want to suggest to you that rightly understood That is correct psychologically speaking The enemy within that is what human beings have known as the evil That afflicts the human race wherever it's found is pathological narcissism. I'll get into that more in a minute The danger about peck Is that he assigns a certain very few people with that category of being evil personalities Obviously peck is not very familiar with the psychoanalytic literature If he were very familiar with the psychoanalytic literature He would understand that all of the psychopathological syndromes manifest narcissistic pathology Just because you're not a dsm3 your dsm3 are a narcissistic personality disorder doesn't mean that you're not a pathological narcissist And see if he had studied his psychoanalytic theory, he would know that The other thing when he describes meeting people in his practice that are so evil He can't work with them and he's paralyzed in their presence If he had studied enough about counter-transference He would never have written that He would have talked to his supervisor about it. I'm serious That's embarrassing to see Someone who is so widely touted as a great psychotherapist who doesn't understand more about counter-transference than that Now i'm not questioning That a lot of the people that he may have experienced as virulently toxic In terms of pathological narcissism may not well may well not have been tremendously sick narcissists. I don't But but any analyst That has a practice that doesn't cater merely to to well-heal neurotics Will see very sick narcissists And any honest psychoanalyst that's done enough analysis will know about the sector in their own personality That is fully eaten up with pathological narcissists You show me an analyst Who is not aware of their own residual crazy psycho Almost psychotic borderline sector in their psyche where they're more autistic and incapable of love They just haven't had enough analysis Because the best Work that's been done on this field shows that no psychoanalyst ever gets to the bottom of that finally And the ones that think they have are the ones you don't want to go to But let me just quickly Run through these different theories We're doing all right Now let me just give you what I would define As the psychological roots of human evil. I'm just going to bracket all that non-human evil I'll let the theologians that are interested in All those Niceties of the argument to deal with that non-human evil earthquakes and all that stuff I'm just going to deal with human evil The fundamental mechanism of human evil psychologically speaking is pathological infantile grandiose pathological infantile grandiose now The interesting thing is that in the different schools of psychoanalytic thought the different major schools They all have a feeling for this Some better better and more clearly than others But that is to say that that whatever this is that is That is behind and fueling compulsive destructive human acting out in all sorts of ways And I will get into this in detail in in the electron discernment And helping us look for signs of pathological infantile narcissism and ourselves Because there are ways to Dig that stuff up in your own self scrutiny But for now very simply there is this sort of uh Two to three year old hot chair tyrant In the psyche And it's really in there And the interesting thing according to psychoanalytic theory it's in everybody And it is within And it has certain recognizable Forms that express itself in now. Let's go back to classical psychoanalytic theory now. Just very briefly notice the Characteristics of the two major structures that the human ego has to struggle with in sigman foyer's early classical psychoanalysis Here you've got the little human ego embattled on two sides on the one side the super ego or we'd call it the conscience Some would call it the bad moral conscience On the other side the id or the it the instinctual the primitive primary process instinctual drives What do they have in common? Well, they make totalistic claims They make perfectionistic claims They make grandiose claims on the ego What are the grandiose claims of the id? Very simple according to Freud The id in you Wants to eat everything It can see including you And he wants to screw everything male or female animal vegetable or mineral And if you study as I have the sexual so-called perversions you will find that human beings the contrary to what we nice folks like to look at human beings manage To following the drives of the id to engage in sexual behaviors with everything And that is the id acting out it wants to have sex with everything It's that it's the thing that fuels that so many men so little time so many women so little time of the promiscuous personality Now so and it's also behind those of us that ought to be in uh overeaters anonymous We want we just want to eat everything, you know I see I see a table of these good beetles around here and I just want to pig out And it doesn't matter that I don't need it. I I want to eat some more so good Those ribs we had the other night. I want to even talk about wild turkey now the superego How is it grandiose well it makes grandiose claims on you to be perfect The superego is even brilliant enough to make grandiose claims about your being perfect in your sexuality And there are a lot of folks, you know, they've read the joy of sex and The joy of sex revisited and the joy of sex three and the joy of sex four And every time they like love they think boy That was about a four And uh, and and they never can just uh, they never can get into the garden because you know, if you're in the garden, you don't count Think about that one got to think about that But the superego is never satisfied with you and one of the things you need to know if you're one of these ambitious professional types You know there's going to write a lot of books or make a lot of money or get real success from your profession You know get a big church or whatever it is What you're going to discover is That no matter how many books you write no matter how much money you make no matter how many homes you own No matter how many uh branches of your business you've got there's going to be a part in your psyche that's going to say yeah You're not much really a failure Why don't you take a cocaine overdose? A lot of people in fact the more creative you are the more that boy speaks And the more successful you are creatively The more danger you have from that voice Because the more successful you are you begin to realize my god. I'm not ever going to be able to quiet this voice That's why so many entertainers commit suicide. That's why so many successful professionals become drug addicts and alcoholics Okay, so the grandiose stuff is expressed In the forms of the superego and id in classical union. I mean Freudian theory now look at adler Now a lot of people don't know about adler and you say adler a lot of people say power power complex Well, that's right, but it's so shallow. It doesn't tell you anything about adlerian theory The genius of adlerian theory is their intuition That behind ever inferiority, you know, they calling the inferiority complex everybody knows that word But very few people know superiority complex And if you don't know the concept of the superiority complex, you don't understand the inferiority complex because in adlerian psychoanalysis If you have an inferiority complex, you do have in the unconscious A superiority complex and all adlerian psycho therapy is Is the therapist will work with you trying to find the way in which you are acting as if you're entitled to a above human place in life That's all adlerian therapy is They're going to try to help you rejoin the human race Get down off of your high chair see And so the what what is known today in in avant-garde circles as the grandiose exhibitionistic self-organization Adler discovered years ago. They always come up with adler's ideas and think they invented them But the superiority complex is that great presuming self within which always beats you down And always depreciates you and other people and is never satisfied with you or other people So there's the infantile grandiosity and adlerian theory If I had more time, I'd go into it more but let's go on to the object relations theorist There's a lot of work in this field, but they have what is known as the concept of the antelabid and the lego This is a part of your psyche which you have within Which wants you dead It does not want you in relationships that are satisfying In fact, it will try to get you into relationships which you intuit will fail That does thus explaining a lot about the tendency of human beings to do the same mistakes again and again and again with different people But anyway, the important thing to realize is that here in this object relations theory Which is a very influential school of thought now that there is a thing in the psyche that is not the eye But is a discernible structure Which wants the individual dead And if you're a practicing therapist, you see this thing acting in people all the time because you will notice That about the time they start making a lot of progress They will do something to set themselves back And when they get involved, you know, it may be a person that's this managed to always choose the wrong person to have a relationship with You know abusive men or women And then they will find this absolutely wonderful praise be to God individual That doesn't abuse them But it's so fascinating Once you find somebody that won't abuse you you become bored with them and start doing things to sabotage the relationship Fascinating to watch And in working with individuals, you're constantly having to alert them now. Now, which part of you is running this? You know What is this part of you that doesn't want you to be married? Behind this They want you to sit in your room alone and drink And so, uh, there's a whole literature on the antelabidinal ego And there's a whole literature on a different wing of that talking about toxic interdicts. That is the parts of us which Modern psychoanalysis recognizes as inner entities real inner entities that are out to kill us and uh Now remember, this is not Jungian thought this is other schools of psychoanalysis which recognize These compulsive destructive forces within the psyche that are out to destroy the human life of the person Uh, usually they are perfectionistic Usually they are rageful and full of hatred and envy And we'll get more into The marks of that stuff tomorrow But but but these parts of the psyche usually are full of rage and they are inconsolable In other words, nothing anybody could ever do would ever satisfy them Uh, we don't have enough time to get into metal and decline But she is another person. She's been she's a Freudian But she's been accused of being a Jungian because she believes that there are in fact these innate drives in the psyche which fuel hate and envy And if the end if the person cannot learn to cope and counteract these inner enemies These parts of the psyche that want to destroy the beloved And want to destroy the good life Then they will die probably by suicide Maybe by other forms of depression or compulsive behavior Now the school of thought that I want to recommend the non-Jungian school that's most interesting and most easily related to Jung is the school of co-huts self psychology Heinz, h-e-i-n-z, co-hut k-o-h-u-t His self psychology in self psychology. They make a very clear statement. It's very interesting Pathological behavior is the result Of an individual's not being able to cope with the power of the grandiose Self organization within Now think about this now get this now. I want you to try to get you ready for the understanding of what the archetypal self is In Jungian thought Yes Yes But what I want you to get about this is that we're not talking theology here We're not talking uh, some sort of uh abstraction. We're talking about clinical phenomena that atheists see When they look at pathological personalities They see these co-hutian self psychologists notice The way in which this thing inside an inner psychological structure Dissonable by anybody that has an eye to see Called the grandiose self organization or variously called the grandiose exhibitionistic self organization That if the personality if the human self is not able to to Relate to that thing adequately they will be mentally ill And we're going to get into the marks of that shortly, but one of the things that does Is the grandiosity takes the personality over in some way That is the infant power grandiosity destroys the human being And the great struggle of the human personality according to that school Is to learn to function in spite of the reality of this potential enemy within Now in terms of Jungian thought it's very interesting This grandiose self organization is not necessarily an enemy It's only an enemy If you don't relate to it correctly Which gets us to Jung see if you if you If you study this stuff, then you understand why human beings have so much trouble Now if you're one of these nice polyanis humanistic psychologists to think that there's nothing bad in there Everything in there Is friendly But I want you to know That the greatest Of the depth psychologist and the psychoanalytic theorist Not just Jungian Know that everything in there is not friendly There are some things in there if you don't learn how to deal with it will kill you And we'll do it fast As fast as possible And so if you're trying to figure out why you get in so much mischief You got help And and in terms of uh of our of our work here What I wouldn't want to argue is that you got to understand that it's not all your egos fault That is to say it's your ego's responsibility nobody else is going to handle it for you But but there are forces in the psyche that are not your ego That would like to see you dead Okay, now Jungian classical Jungian theory now. I'm not I want to make clear I'm not one of these so-called archetypal psychologists I'm interested in a psychology of the archetypes That's different archetypal psychology. That's kind of a large claim I wouldn't want to be the author of an archetypal psychology. That's a high claim and that means the prototypical psychology I'm just doing a simple sort of journeyman Plano down home ordinary psychology of archetypes now Orthodox quote quote unquote Jungian theory Plano centrist theory says there's an archetypal self Now this archetypal self is a psychological entity It is real It is not a theological construct It is parallel it parallels in these theories the grandiose self organization that the audience have now finally discovered and think they invented In other words it glows with what Jung called what? Numinosity it thank you people have studied this stuff This thing is numinous It glows with power And this is power that is greater than human power It is uh, it is the the stuff of rudolf autos mysterium tremendous mysterium facinades And Jung throughout his entire work makes it very clear the ego must differentiate from that The best book that you can read on this whole process Is eddinger's book called ego and archetype And in that book he shows how through the human life cycle the ego the eye of the person begins merged with that But gradually differentiates from it and in the healthy mature personality Has what eddinger calls and I like I like this formulation in ego self access or connection notice That the ego is not identified with the archetypal self, but is connected with it What happens if the ego and an adult Is not appropriately differentiated from the archetypal self. Well infantile grandiosity in space Jung ends just use the word inflation. I like that I think of a basketball, you know You with your your little uh air hose and you you're deflated basketball And so you plug it in and you watch the basketball, you know fill out Well, the archetypal self is full of energy And it will fill up the little basketball of your ego But you got to know when to take the thing off Right You've seen these pictures and cartoons or the people they can't get off of the air hose and they They start to float Well, that's that's the metaphor here in Jungian thought that is there is energy coming off of that archetypal self And you need it. You've got to have it. If you don't have it. You will not be inflated. You will be deflated or what? Depressed So hubris the hubris of the greeks the pride of the christian tradition read rhino knee boards nature and destiny of man A curse when the ego in some way or the other begins to Be contaminated by archetypal energies and not just Fulfilled or made whole by these archetypal energies Now I want to bring in here a concept that Jung used that you almost never hear and I think it's important for us to get Uh because we've got to distinguish between the personal shadow And what I want to talk about is the archetypal shadow And they hold this is a lot of this is murky area now everything we do from now on in this is going to be murky because Jungian thought is still emerging And there's not any Definitive textbook we can turn to to clarify all these things and have the last word on it So this is going to get murky, but I want to show you some of the issues that are coming up now But one of the central ones is this distinction between the personal shadow and the archetypal shadow now A lot of people used to think the personal shadow was evil. Well, it's not evil most most theorists now don't even talk about it that way It may be experienced by the ego as evil Because the ego is one sided and incomplete And so the ego may shun something in the shadow But let me tell you something it probably is in some of your shadows here that is not at all evil Like a lot of people I work with for example their sense of their own beauty With a great number of people their sense of their own beauty is in their shadow And if they receive a compliment they cannot deal with it at all. They have to completely deflect it That's because they were taught in their families that it you shouldn't be too big for your bridges And uh, you know, you don't want to get uppity and so forth and so on Uh, but that is in the personal shadow. It's not evil And if you're ever if the person is ever going to have self-esteem They're going to have to integrate that part of their shadow They're going to have to learn that it is okay to feel good about yourself And it's okay if somebody says boy, like I said to Jim the other day, man, that's a fantastic beard You know a person ought to be able to say yeah it is Wonderful But you know when I mistaken Problems this is where some of the christian tradition has got problems on this if Jim were to say yeah, that's a wonderful beard, isn't it? They'd say oh that man's full of pride See But that's not true. See that's where one of this is one of the problems that the christian tradition has had That is to say if you if you if you shine and enjoy it There's supposed to be something wrong with that and that's why a lot of people would rather identify with satan See because if I have if I have to be bad to be exhibitionistic, I'll just be bad That's the way a lot of people feel see we get into that more later But anyway, so the personal shadow is just what is disowned it is not evil at all It is something that is appropriate for the human being to integrate and in fact there is a moral imperative In yungi and psychology to integrate the shadow the personal shadow But what a lot of people do not realize is that yung spoke of spirit complexes And he made it very clear that spirit complexes exist in the psyche Which carry an enormous load of numerosity And cannot indeed must not attempt to be integrated into the ego If you try to integrate them into the ego the ego will be destroyed possessed you might say at least possessed and very often destroyed in You know in sort of the terminal psychosis Now you see this kind of thing very very In a widespread manner you used to see it more before anti psychotic medication I'm serious. I mean we've got medications now that if somebody comes in if christ comes into your consulting room You know you better hurry up if you're going to see him and talk to him because but the time the psychiatrist gets to him And gives him some of this anti psychotic med christ will disappear And all you will have is a very very sort of zombie like nice manageable mental patients But the like one of my students recently went to a retreat Had a monastery and with a group of people and Had a wonderful time got in touch with the archetypal self And after a wonderful prayer and meditation announced to the other people in the group I'm really glad I'm here with you I am the second coming of christ And I can help the redemption of your soul and all you have to do is come to me for spiritual conversation And uh That lasted a few days till they got the anti psychotic meds See But but that is something that used to happen a lot if you used to work like I did in uh in uh southern mental hospitals Before they were these anti psychotic meds you you met a lot of christ Uh and st francis is All sorts of folks, you know, and and you can see it with your own eyes. You could see the spirit complex invading a human ego totally possessing it and in some cases, uh irreversibly Now you see the same type of thing In individuals who think they are possessed by satan And there are more and more people today who are into that fantasy You see one of the see I I do a lot of work now trying to help people understand the psychology of satanism as a movement It's a burgeoning movement in the country today uh right in river city They're probably satanist in your town uh and uh There are various branches of satanist some more benign than others Some of them are just sort of into a thirtiness training because they've decided, you know that the only way I can really be a 30 If I can't be a christian if I'm going to be a 30th I can't be sexual if I'm going to be a christian, so I'm going to be a satanist Satan's on the side of sex Well, you can see why they have pretty good uh evangelism effort A lot better than some of our churches, I mean but but There are forms of satanism which are extremely dangerous because they uh What they're doing is they're getting in touch with the spirit complex that is the uh opposite of the discharge complex And it too is a spirit complex and it too cannot be integrated And what happens is you get a possession of the human and they start acting this thing out They're into what yungi is often called a negative inflation and they do things that are very interesting. They're very interesting They're very horrible But the interesting thing is they tend to do the same types of things They tend to uh, they tend to do a lot of animal sacrifice around the country And there's increasing evidence that uh, that in a widespread basis they are doing human sacrifice And one of the most disturbing aspects is that one of the more widely accepted practices that is occurring is Ritual child sexual abuse I recently was in a conference in which the medical doctor, uh, who was working on this showed slides of the bodies of children who had been used repeatedly in, uh, satanic rituals In the midwest Uh, and uh, it was nothing like your blood curl curdle uh, but but Not for a minute would I as a yungian analyst think that that's a human ego doing that for those children You know a healthy human ego. That's not a healthy human ego doing a religious practice That is a human ego that is possessed by one of these spirit complexes that In terms of the history of a lot of this type of thing one of the things that uh, that the uh, identification with archetypal evil will lead to is uh, total domination power dynamics and sexual behavior I mean that's one, you know that the the the total dominance Uh, and power Moves in sexuality is always associated with that with that particular form of the archetypal shadow So in other words, there are these spirit complexes that are in the psyche That are not the ego That are both images of light and wondrous spiritual, uh, You know elevation and images of great dark sadistic evil They are structures in the psyche And uh, they cannot be integrated by the ego neither the good ones nor the bad ones And so what what one does is try to Support the ego in its this identification with all of these complexes And the attempt of the ego to use These archetypal aspects of the objective psyche to gain fuel and guidance and fullness Uh in living But not get caught in infantile pathological infantile grandiosity in any of its forms You follow that so far I'm I'm much more interested in and having people connect with their healthy exhibitionism To their healthy enthusiasm Christians talk about joy We talk about it more than we experience it But but that's what that's about joy is an experience of healthy exhibitionism Uh and knowing that the true god loves it The image of the true god and jesus is the dancer In fact, if you look at the archetypal king throughout world mythology, what does the king do? In order he dances the world into existence In fact, if you see that movie Richard gear of all things is king david. I thought that was wild But one of the true things was that dance those dance scenes if you study the history of kingship You know that they dance the world into it. They don't force it into existence They don't coerce it into existence They danced it into existence shiva in the in the images of the great king shiva He's seen as dancing the world And uh that is that is the human birthright See in christians that their deepest level understand that but they've never actualized it very well They get you know, jesus got too much flak about that and they decided that was dangerous business The issue that you've got to deal with is the question Of gilin's assertion, which i totally agree with That there are many things in the psyche Including the archetypal self Which you do not integrate You do not integrate the archetypal self You try to integrate the archetypal self and you will be crazy And to the extent that you are crazy it is to the extent that you're already doing it and don't know it See In other words, if you tend to be an abusive male or female and tend to lord it over others You are whether you know it or not You're acting out the god king or the god queen And see human beings are supposed to be in touch the ego is supposed to be in touch with the god king and queen not acting it out If you're in touch with the energies of the god king and god queen then you will be centered I'll go into all the things that you tomorrow I'll go into all the things that happen when you're in touch with that deep center of the psyche Because they're directly related to christian virtues in terms of the past understanding of christian virtues But but you must not get into some unconscious possession because when you do you become the narcissistic personality disorder The narcissistic personality disorder is someone who is possessed By this sacral kingship within And awarding it over other people is a good way to say it They think they are the lord This may be uh going beyond what you'd like to discuss, but are you open to the possibility that the archetypal shadow Though it's inappropriate for an individual ego to encounter may be the problem of the collective Great and that it might be that its redemption will occur over a period of time by uh by its Encounter with any number of ego well That's very complicated Is there's no i'm one i'm one of the group of people that believes that there is a growing human consciousness And that that human consciousness as it grows on the planet is not tribal That is tribalism and thought processes is less and more and more and more it's not so totally engendered Simply in one gender or the other it's not racial So there is a sense in which the more human consciousness matures That it has the human beings have less trouble with possession by the archetypal self So uh, I would agree with that part of it that but it's a lot more complicated than that because uh because there are these You've got the combat myth That's in the deep unconscious that the ego can resolve in its own way for itself, but it can't resolve for the objective psyche I mean it may be i don't know what to think about all this it may be that your human beings are going to solve god's problems but Uh, I wouldn't recommend for your ego To try to resolve in your own little life The conflicts of the objective psyche Uh, to me, I've seen too many people trying to do that And they're almost all addicts Of one kind or the other we'll get into that a lot more tomorrow but anyway This whole issue now you see I want to I want to reiterate now The psychodynamics of evil I will argue adamantly Because there is mythological support for this there is comparative psychoanalytic support for it from diverse schools that don't agree on much anything else That the mechanism of human destructiveness is pathological infantile grandiosity The little lord fontleroy on his high chair tyrant His high chair throne that is the fuel Or the female version of that Now the question as you rightfully raise and you need to think about during this conference because you will have to come down somewhere Eventually on this the question is uh, how do you explain that in terms of of yungian psychology of the self? and the ego Well, you've seen one version of that the necessity for the ego self-axis That is you must not identify with the archetypal self in any of its forms Because if you identify with it you will be overloaded your circuit breakers are going to go And we will see tomorrow you're going to start having compulsive behaviors Compulsive behaviors of any kind are assigned your circuits are overloaded And your defenses are not working anymore And so you're getting in to acting out something that you are not So but in yungian psychology there are different approaches to this and the different ways you would locate or talk about evil now it seems to me the simplest way to talk about uh, the the uh Psychology of evil and yungian terms is just to be very clear that whatever else you say it is inflation And whatever else that you say it is when the human ego takes into attempts to take into itself energies, which are not human They are too numinous for the human now remember what I said I want you to take in all the numinosity that is appropriate to your humanist I want you to glow I'd like for you to shine I want you to be creative I want you to be enthusiastic. I want you to be filled up with yourself I don't want you to be bored with yourself for life You know, so there's some numinosity that is that is appropriately human. That's the mago day. I think But but evil will occur clinically speaking not in terms of some meta theory But clinically speaking when you start trying to absorb into your ego energies that are not absorbable into your ego And so that's inflation. But now let's get into this thing. Well now What causes this evil that you see in the psyche this destructiveness? Is this the fault of the self? Now the yungians are all over the place on this and let me just Show you some of the options and you probably can think of other options that I this is not an exhaustive list But these are some of the options You can say that With yung that the archetypal self Includes archetypal evil that you've got Christ you look at that. Look at that. Look at those charts. He gives you and the volume ion a i o n archetypal self you've got christ and satan as structures of the self And so you can say well both good and evil are in the self and then In some theorists yung is as john has pointed out yung kind of identifies that god the godhead itself contains good and evil as sort of a parallel to the archetypal self Sometimes they equate the self in god Some yungians talk as if the archetypal self and god are pretty much the same thing So, uh, you you might say that sometimes that they might argue that human evil Then maybe Some of it at least done at the initiative of the archetypal self and some of them even say even done at the initiative of god now Then you get a position something like jack sanford where There is sometimes a kind of a tendency to to equate the self in god, but he's not quite he doesn't really finally land there The archetypal self is an expression sometimes of god in the psyche But jack sanford sees an optic independence of god And the self and god are good for jack sanford. He doesn't want to go along with the more traditional yungian readings And he says while the ego while it will be the self can be seen often You can read this in evil the shadow side of reality He'll say that while it will be appear to the ego that the self is the author of evil that what is happening Is something that the ego doesn't want to integrate that should be integrated The self is pushing through through experiences For that person to integrate and it will be experienced as evil So you may experience your your exhibitionism as an evil thing and you may think it's awful But the self may try to get you to bring it out And uh, so so it's not to jack the source of real evil the self doesn't really author real evil although jack believes That there is real radical evil that is in the psyche that is not the ego And then sometimes he will follow conical And say that that you know conical believe that The ego was satan That is that ego the egocentric ego is the cause of evil And jack is impressed with that idea of the egocentrism of the ego The question you got to raise and I and we got to talk about this in our discussions Well now is that all the ego is doing In other words is an egocentric ego egocentric because it chooses to be or has it been possessed? See I mean how much choice is there there now that's the arguable issue psychoanalytically And we'll talk about that in our discussion Uh And then they there are persons that think that the archetypal self is not god. He's clearly not god. It is More the imago day The imago of god within and see there are even fortians who are atheists It empirically scientifically see a god image within They don't believe in god, but they see this god imago within And there's some young ins that say well, that would be that would be the uh The imago day then the question comes up. Well but Is the self is the is the self the image of good alone or is the self does the self contain with it? Not just is the self in other words Merely the archetype of order Or does it contain with it also the archetype of disorder? Within the self see that's that's a theoretical question Is archetypal disorder What you might call the sheva principle is the sheva principle a part of the archetypal self Or is it simply another structure in the psyche now that is that is a technical argument and you you don't there's nobody's going to be able to tell you Which one is right on that? um And so there are a number of ways you can look at this Uh, and you can see that there's a tendency for example with uh with jack sanford's point of view You can see that ego centrism and the ego There's your there's your grandiosity the ego centric ego is inflated and grandiose I want us to remember though what yung had to say about about dealing with evil. He said Uh, see the thing he the thing he got into it with christians about is an interesting thing He viewed himself as standing up for the reality An agency of evil Evil is not passive for young He believed that the provatio bony doctrine in christianity made evil sound too impotent and too passive and yung believed that evil was powerful and aggressive always And that every person was subject to it And his point was that there were two resources He says that the yung says the human ego standing alone Cannot defend itself against evil Get that the human ego standing alone Cannot defend itself against evil it but it has only two ways to deal with it It can turn to a trans ego source of goodness for assistance And it can turn to a human community for assistance Without community without human community and a trans egoic source of goodness and order The ego will be overwhelmed by evil. Thank you Thank you