 We had the best time doing the initial breakdown of the body language and behavior in this video and we decided we'd revisit some of our favorite moments from it. On the campaign website that you graduated with a degree in economics and finance from Baruch College in 2000. I'll say, I'll say to you that I did not attain a college education. That was, that was, that regrettably so is one of my biggest regrets in life. So that was a lie? Absolutely. And I admitted to it and I've, I've made peace with the fact that I made a bad choice in making that decision. It wasn't easy. Well, what's the simple explanation for why you met, why would you lie about something like that? Expectation on society, the pressure, couldn't afford it, decided I wanted to run for office, although I had built a very credible business career and I just didn't have that part of my biography that I could not give anything. Did you not think that you'd be cool? You know, I just went with it. I didn't, I mean, if you're going to make up a lie, are you thinking at all? I just think it was a stupid decision in my part, very stupid decision that I regret every day, especially because I can still, sorry to cut you off, but especially because I can prove the chops and the backing without the education. But this stems more deeper into the political apparatus and the political culture of New York state. And that would take a lot more time than this program to go over to explain. No, no, I can imagine. Listen, I understand the desire to want to be more impressive with your record than you are. I'm bemused that you would be naive enough to think that you could run as a politician in New York in particular and not expect to get what happened to you, which is a massive comeuppance when they discover this stuff isn't true. Stupid. Stupid. All right, Chase, what do you got? So let me just sum up the overall message of this one clip here. It was a stupid decision and it's somebody else's fault. That's it. That's the whole message here. This is, in my opinion, doing 20 years in the military, nine deployments. This is the behavior of a coward and not a leader by any measure of the word. And most likely there's something going on internally with this person that is probably severe and it may be at a point of pathology. I'm not I'm not an expert in that, but his blink rate just soars upward around the word naive. You would be naive enough to think that you could run as a politician in New York in particular. And this is a great way for us to take a look to see what reliable behavior indicators we can see in a few moments. And at the end here, there's a few things going on. His romance or mode as Scott and Greg, you guys would call it, is just really turned on. This is where we see his voice pitch speed up his voice, raise in pitch, then speed up even his body starts speeding up. And this is fear. Fear increases the speed of movement of our limbs, our eyelids, our head, all of our body parts. I think there's a part of him that's actually enjoying the thrill of this experience. And it it is almost a copy paste of a video that we did before on Dr. Phil about a massage therapist named Tarek. And it is a copy paste of that kind of behavior. And he seemed to genuinely enjoy the negative attention in the spotlight. And I think he genuinely believed that he should be the one deciding what's right and wrong. And is most likely this is the behavior that if I saw this in someone else, I would automatically think this is the behavior of a malignant narcissist at best. And of course, that's no diagnosis. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so let me unpack what I think you absolutely hit that narrative that that he's got there completely. Let me break it down a little bit. So he's spinning lying into, first of all, the regret of not achieving a college education that regrettably. So is one of my biggest regrets in life. So brilliant maneuver there because Piers is there going, look, you're lying. And he's going, yeah, absolutely regret not getting up a college education. And then he says, but he's made peace. I've made peace with the fact that I made a bad choice in making that decision. Again, what a brilliant maneuver there to the idea of peace and making peace with yourself. So he's turned lying. That was a lie. Absolutely. Into I didn't get a college education. And now I'm at peace with myself. And then he goes and it's not easy. It wasn't easy. It's not easy. So he's now pushed that into triumph. Now he's now he's gone from liar to what another triumph on my part. OK, so here's where he goes next. He goes to society's expectations, expectation on society. OK, so he's now bought in a bigger entity, massive entity that's expecting stuff of him. He pulls in poverty. Couldn't afford it. Then the idea of democracy. This stems more deeper into the political apparatus and the political culture of New York State. So what a fantastic. I mean, you know, if I could spin like this, I'd be in work every day in politics. Society's expectations to poverty, to the idea of democracy. And then the idea of structural exclusivity basically says, look, I get excluded from this democratic process, somebody's been voted in. And he's saying, look, I'm getting excluded from from this whole process. Well, what a brilliant, brilliant manoeuvre to turn from Pierce's you're a liar into a victim trope and print so much of that currency, so much of that very current currency, which gets a lot of attention, which gets a lot of airplay, which can get a lot of sympathy and quite rightly so, because there are victims out there. There are absolutely people who are victims who need help. But if you go around printing that currency all the time, it devalues it for the people who really need that currency. And I'm I mean, the awful thing is here's a person who's printing that currency and just as you're saying there, enjoying minting that stuff, enjoying the minting, the minting of that currency and devaluing it for the people who really need that extraordinary to see, exciting to see in some some ways and awful to see in others. Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, I think it's very methodical. I think if we go back to lying for sport, it's something I always say. There are people who enjoy lying for sport. All of us do it sometime. We play around with facts with people just to do something. But not like this. This is about life changing events for people. Look, most people that get away with to your point, Scott, cons, there's a reason. There's a reason it's called confidence. What they're doing is they're not tricking you. They're getting your confidence that they are what you expect them to be. And then they check the boxes. This guy was invented, whether he invented himself or somebody else. He's an openly gay Republican candidate with one of the few who's been elected that was not already in office. He grew up poor. He had to drop out of school to support his family. Look, if you are trying to build a candidate and everything hits a checklist, you might question whether that's true or not. And this guy, this move right here to me is more than just lying for for sport. This is a massive redirect for him. This is an element. This is checkers or chess or whatever the hell he's playing. When he comes out and he's going to do a big throwaway sacrificial guilt or what I call trading guilt. Yes, I did lie about college because I was in such a bad place. And it's important to the world, but it wasn't important to me. And I have all the chops to prove it and and and you should be really careful when people fit everything you're looking for. Number one, I think as importantly is what he says was I have made peace with it. Mark, I think there's also the implied so should you. That's the piece I think I hear in his voice because a little at the end. I've made peace with the fact that I made a bad choice. And that lower lip retracts when he says it. And we know that's about looking for some kind of reassurance when you do that. If you watch a little child withdraw their lower lip, they're looking for some kind of reinforcement. And then when he talks about why things are bad for him, expectation on society, the pressure couldn't afford it. It's not a discussion. It's a bullet list. That means it doesn't really have any meaning to him. Trust me, if somebody has screwed you over and left you in a situation where you can't win because you didn't have a degree and you had a list of things, those are called grievances. And people get animated about grievances. They don't bullet list them. It's just not the way things work. He smiles as he gets to this pinnacle of his victimhood about the political machine. Mark, I have on here something very similar to you. It looks like he's making a run at Robin Hood. He wants to be Robin Hood, even calls himself stupid. And I think all of this is trading guilt or turning over a big stone so you'll stop looking. And he thinks he's going to make a big tactical blunder that turns to a strategic blunder in the next video. But he thinks he's paving the way and that he's working peers. We're going to get there. Scott, what do you got? All right. Now, going back to the word stupid, every time he says stupid, that's when that single shoulder goes up. I think it was a stupid decision in my part. Stupid. Stupid. That single shoulder shrug, and then that chin goes toward it. I don't think he thinks it was stupid. We'll talk about that a little more in a little bit. When he first starts out, we hear fading facts where he says, I did not retain a college education. Who talks like that? Who says that? Have you ever said I did not retain a glass of water when I went to in the kitchen? Nobody says that. It's just weird that his whole thing. That's why I'm thinking I know he's thought about this and he's had to lie about this one before as well, because he's ready for it. He and then he tries to scoot right past that thing by saying he regretted it, like what you're talking about, Mark. Then he gives a list of reasons why, like you were saying, Greg, that it's OK. He goes, it does a list of OK in this expectation on society. The pressure couldn't afford it. Decided I wanted to run for office. The whole time he's looking peers right in the eyes. This is just brazen. I had come out just swinging, man. And then he says, I just think it was stupid decision on my part. Like I said before, he doesn't think that at all. He thinks it was brilliant because it worked and he'd done it before. And he talks about that as well. I think that's. Another thing we need to keep watching out for. And then when it when peers has been used by the balls, this guy has to lie about how he got in politics. He simply agrees and smiles and kind of laughs and goes right past it like it's nothing. It's wow. So this is like what's here's what's like watching the crocodile hunter. You know, when he goes out and he would get those big poison snakes and all that stuff and you'd see him out in the wild. He'd be like, look at this man, you know, talking to him stuff. That's what peers has got. He's got him alive on a live con, a live griptor right there. And we're watching him almost out in the wild as he's holding it. We're watching him lie and do everything that he does out in the wild. He's doing it right there on his right there in front of him. And they're filming it. I'm sorry, I'm getting all worked up. This is this is this is classic. This is this has got everything. This is this might be the best one we've ever done. The second claim was on the on the campaign website that you graduated with a degree in economics and finance from Baruch College in 2000. I'll say I'll say of you that I did not attain a college education. That was that was that regrettably so is one of my biggest regrets in life. So that that was a lie. Absolutely. And I admitted to it and I've I've made peace with the fact that I made a bad choice in making that decision. It wasn't easy. What's the simple explanation for why you met? Why would you lie about something like that? Expectation on society. The pressure couldn't afford it. Decided I wanted to run for office. Although I had built a very credible business career and I just didn't have that part of my biography that I could not give anything. Did you not think that you'd be cool? You know, I just went with it. I didn't. I mean, if you're going to make up a lie, are you thinking at all? I just think it was a stupid decision in my part. Very stupid decision that I regret every day, especially because I can. Sorry to cut you off, but especially because I can prove the chops and the backing without the education. But this stems more deeper into the political apparatus and the political culture of New York State. And that would take a lot more time than right to go over to explain. No, no, no, I can imagine. Listen, I understand the desire to want to be more impressive with your record than you are. I'm bemused that you would be naive enough to think that you could run as a politician in New York in particular and not expect to get what happened to you, which is a massive comeuppance when they discover this stuff isn't true. Stupid. Stupid. You campaigned by a claim do you run a foundation called Friends of Pets United in New York and New Jersey that saved 2,500 dogs and cats over a five-year period? That's true? That's true. But I wasn't alone in the operation. I had... There was a multitude of people. We were all volunteers. I was the operator. I was one of the... I think we were seven founders, if I'm not mistaken, between New York and New Jersey. My advocacy in animal welfare and animal rights stems from my childhood. I've always been very compassionate towards animals. I own four dogs at home. They're all rescues to one sort. I call it the home of misfits. They're all unwanted, three legs, heart murmur, you know, the issues like that. And now everybody is, after all the revelations about the organization, I wasn't in charge of any of the... The weird thing is there were no social media accounts for it. No tax records... Those were all deleted. Well, there were no... The ones that anyone could find. No tax records. No evidence of the charity being registered in either New York or New Jersey. They did run one fundraiser with a rescue group in New Jersey in 2017 for which you charged a $50 entry fee, but the group which staged the event said it never received any funds. And I can attest that that is not true. The funds all ran through the group, and the post of the facility was who was in charge of all of our filings. So this came to a surprise as much as to me as to you. But what happened to the tax records to the social media accounts? I wasn't in charge of any of that. It was never set up as a charity, even. Well, I wouldn't know that. I was the operator. I was the guy putting cats out of the streets into my car taking them to get... I understand that, but I wasn't in charge of that. I don't know, when you say you're the operator of this foundation and there's literally no record of any of it, it doesn't lend much credibility to your operational skills. Like I said, I wasn't part of the administrative part of the group. We were seven people. Everybody had their own tasks. My task was, George, go pick up this dog. Go pick up this cat. That was my task. Go deliver this adoption. And that was my involvement with the organization. And I, quite frankly, did it well. I still get a lot of message supports from people who adopted from us during the period of time I was involved. Who would have all the records? I don't know who would have all the records. And one of the seven people that you've worked with? I would assume somebody has the records. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, this is when it's full of a whole bunch of it, but this is one of the best chaff and redirects we're gonna see him do in the entire show. He does a preparatory breath and a delay. That's true. And there's a pause. There's a butt implied. He goes to chaff and redirect on a grand scale. This is not just a lateral target. When I say chaff and redirect, I go, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb till you pick up something on a lateral path and you follow that. It's like an aircraft throwing out flares and a missile following them. Here he does something much more powerful. He wraps himself in higher ground. He talks about childhood. My advocacy in animal welfare stems from my childhood. Love of animals. I've always been very compassionate towards animals. I'm a sanctuary for the downtrodden animal. I call it the home of misfits. They're all unwanted, three legs, heart murmur, you know. I was like, where's mom, apple pie, flags, that kind of stuff. That's all he's really missing. And I call this the house of chaff and redirect, not the house of misfit toys or whatever he's gonna call it. His blink rate goes through the roof when he leaves that topic because he's hoping that he gets something. Then he does distancing language. I can attest that that is not true. Not true. Suddenly not a lie about stealing the pet rescue money. The language, when that language starts to extend, when his cadence slows and he puts space between the syllables, you should be suspicious anytime someone does something like that to you. Ask yourself why it doesn't mean they're lying. It means they're giving themselves time for some reason to think or whatever. He also then does a cadence shift as he explains all of this entire thing. And he loses his capability to string us in together. The funds all ran through the group and the post of the facility was who was in charge of all of our filings. His brain is trying to do two things at once and he loses it. Respiration and wide eyes when he's asked point blank what happened. And now he's in the compromise steeple. His hands are in front of him. And then he does another redirect. George, go pick up this dog. Go pick up this cat. He's now lackey for the group instead of being a guy who founded it. He's now the guy who there would tell to go do something and he would do it. And he almost makes the big mistake. He says the people who adopted from, from, from. He almost said me. I still get a lot of message supports from people who adopted from us during the period of time I was involved. And that would have been an admission to guilt. Dog swindler, dog swindler, dog swindler. Scott, what do you got? All right. At first, like you were saying, he ran the thing cause he says, you ran a thing. And he's like, yeah, I did. I ran that. I was the operator. But then he goes on to claim, he knows nothing about it. I wouldn't know that. But he's a wonderful animal rescuer cause he's got four dogs at home and they've got heart problem. They, they're all messed up. But man, he's taking care of them cause you rescued him. And we're just seeing him run a classic scam and he's getting busted and not owning up to it. Even though it's right there in front of him. And what we're seeing is that teeter toddler between not good and evil, but good and bad. So that's one thing to do that. When you catch things like this, you hear somebody talk about something that's really good. Then they end up, they end up talking about something that being really bad involved in it, something's up. So he's saying, I'm a wonderful guy who rescued animals. My advocacy in animal welfare and animal rights is that stems from my childhood. And we juxtapose that against, but yeah, but I don't know where the money is. I wasn't in charge of any of that. I wouldn't know that. He doesn't remember who to talk to and he ran this thing. Doesn't know who these people are. Can't tell us where to go to see him. He never gets his back, never comes up and he never says, hey man, I didn't do this or I didn't do that. It's all of this happy face because he likes what he's doing. He enjoys doing this. And that's what you'll see as well. If somebody seems too happy the whole time. I mean, when you push against them, heads up on that. We still haven't seen anything that shows sorrow or regret or grief or anything in this stuff about him being busted lying. And he never, like I just said, he never rears back and goes, hang on a minute, man. And stops him from it, never. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so look, if you have animals that you have rescued and you do that in order to help their suffering diminish, good for you, fantastic. I'm not sure that's what he's doing. I think he might collect suffering because the closer he is to suffering, the closer he is to somebody who's suffered and the more prestige he can win, the more badges, the more pins he can wear and display around that suffering element. So I'm gonna stick my neck out and go, I hope his pets are well looked after, but even his charity is Friends of Pets United or something like that. So Friends of United, it's about the things outside the entity that's actually got the problem. It doesn't direct you, even the title doesn't direct you to the thing with the problem. And what does he do? Well, he traffics around this suffering. He was very good, he says, look, I ran it, he says, first of all. I was the operator. And then look, this is a big problem because he then spreads responsibility. But I wasn't alone in the operation. I had, there was a multitude of people. We were all volunteers. Well, you know, these people were there. A lot of people involved, a lot of people involved. That's a breaking baseline for him. He hasn't been saying, hey, there were a lot of people involved. It's all about him. Suddenly, if he's now spreading responsibility, I now know, okay, there's some real trouble coming up here, because he's not usually anybody who's gonna spread the responsibility. He wants to take all the status of this. So he starts to spread this responsibility and what's he left with? Just as you said, Scott, he just was very good at animal supply chain. That's, you know, just a little part of that animal supply chain. And he was wonderful at that, but he wasn't really organizing anything. Back to your point, Greg, I can attest that this is not true. That's a negative for a start. And it's a negative about attestation, which is proving or declaring or witnessing. So if you attest, you have proof or you declare or you witness, you saw it, all of which are positives. So instead of attesting that this is not true, what you do is just say what happened. Say in the positive, what happened. And just like murder, he wants to answer this one in the negative. Yeah, he wants to answer in the negative rather than saying, this is what I can prove actually happened. It's starting, it's starting at this point to get troubling for me. And it's not gonna disappoint because this is gonna get way more troubling as we go along. Who've got left? Chase? Yeah, Chase, what do you got? Mark, to your point, in my notes here, I have wound collector by proxy. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's what we're seeing. And right at the beginning of this little clip here, he says a multitude of people. But I wasn't alone in the operation. It was a multitude of people. We were all volunteers. I'm not sure he knows what a multitude means. I was one of the, I think we were seven founders, if I'm not mistaken, between New York and New Jersey. Seven people is not a multitude. But when he's talking about the groups, lack of filings and documents. The funds all ran through the group and the... This is what BS looks like. There's a total complete loss of fluency here. He has trouble with his words, can't put a sentence together. The blink rate goes way up. And before you might give him a little credit and say, well, he's on camera. You know, he's on camera, he might be nervous, he's on TV, he's getting interviewed. That's not what this is. This is a spike in blink rate. He's been on camera lots of times. And I've taken a look at many of those to make sure that this wasn't some skewed perspective here. Then there's hesitancy. He's pausing irregularly according to his baseline. Before he speaks, there's an increase in speed. And when people are deceptive, especially at the precise moments of stress and deception, they speed up their language to shorten the amount of time they're experiencing the stress of lying. And he says, I still get a lot of message supports. I still get a lot of message supports from people. This strange mixing of words here is indicative of something that's super rehearsed. And you'll see this in new actors all the time. As I'm sure Mark could probably elaborate on, I wouldn't claim this alone is indicative of deception, but my money is on massive lying here. And there's so much being concealed, smoothed over, it's just too much to ignore. And you hear me say this on all of our videos if you're a subscriber, pay close attention to what's not there. What is being smoothed over, skipped over, concealed or ignored in somebody's statement? Yeah, I wouldn't dispute. You can't pay bioclame, do you run a foundation called Friends of Pets United in New York and New Jersey that saved 2,500 dogs and cats over a five year period? That true? That's true. But I wasn't alone in the operation. I had, there was a multitude of people. We were all volunteers. I was the operator. I was one of the, I think we were seven founders if I'm not mistaken, between New York and New Jersey. My advocacy in animal welfare and animal rights stems from my childhood. I've always been very compassionate towards animals. I own four dogs at home. They're all rescues to one sort. I call it the home of misfits. They're all unwanted, three legs, heart murmur, you know, the issues like that. And now everybody is, after all the revelations about the organization, I wasn't in charge of any of the- The weird thing is there were no social media accounts for it. No tax records. Those were all deleted. Well, there were no ones that anyone could find. No tax records, no evidence of the charity being registered in either New York or New Jersey. They did run one fundraiser with a rescue group in New Jersey in 2017 for which you charged a $50 entry fee, but the group which staged the event said it never received any funds. And I can attest that that is not true. The funds all ran through the group and the post of the facility was who was in charge of all of our filings. So this came to a surprise as much as to me- But what happened to the tax records to the social media accounts? I wasn't in charge of any of that. It was never set up as a charity, even. Well, I wouldn't know that. I was the operator. I was the guy putting cats out of the streets into my car, taking them to get- Oh, I understand that bit. So I was in charge of that. I don't know, when you say you're the operator of this foundation and there's literally no record of any of it, it doesn't lend much credibility to your operational skills. Like I said, I wasn't part of the administrative part of the group. We were seven people. Everybody had their own tasks. My task was, George, go pick up this dog. Go pick up this cat. That was my task. Go deliver this adoption. And that was my involvement with the organization. And I, quite frankly, did it well. I still get a lot of message supports from people who adopted from us during the period of time I was involved. Who would have all the records? I don't know who would have all the records. I mean, one of the seven people that you've worked with? I would assume somebody has records. You angrily denied. This is another one where it's quite interesting because I don't know why you would deny it when it was clearly turned out to be true. Particularly after all the fury that had gone on. But you angrily denied being a drag artist. After a Brazilian drag queen posted a picture of herself with you, you said the most recent obsession from the media claiming I'm a drag queen or performed as a drag queen is categorically false. It is. It's not, though, is it? Pierce, I'm seeing the pictures. Oh, hold on. I go out. So if I was a drag queen, I was a poorest drag queen in the world because I had one outfit in one day. I'm not saying you were. I'm not saying you were a good drag queen. I'm just saying you clearly dressed up in drag. Once. Oh, sorry. Okay. There's like me saying I'm not a murderer. I only kill one. No, I understand. Rudy Giuliani dressed up in drag. It's not a what about, is he a drag queen? I've got a lot of questions for Rudy Giuliani. Here's my point. You dressed up in drag. Look, here's my point. Here's my point. Why deny it? I didn't deny it. Why attack the obsessive media for publishing a truth? Because the media is not telling the truth. The media is portraying to the American. You just say as you they are. They're portraying to the American people that I'm a drag performer, career drag queen, which is offensive to drag queens, by the way. And I'm pretty sure most of the drag queens in New York City were in drag. Here's why they think that. Here's why they think that. Not just because you've admitted you dressed up in drag. But a 2011 Wikipedia bio for a user named Anthony Devolder, one of your pseudonyms. Which is not my name. Following a successful drag career, you landed roles on Disney channel shows like Hannah Montana, and a role in a movie called The Invasion starring Uma Thurman. Now, either you did that under your pseudonym, which you told me you use, or somebody has gone away and created their own Wikipedia bio using one of your pseudonyms to invent all this. Why would they do that? I had no notion, idea, or even... I didn't know this Wikipedia page existed. Why would someone invent you and pretend to be you in 2011? Or anyone knows who you are? I'm making this very clear. I have no clue. I have no ownership of that page. Weird, though, right? Weird. Someone... Pierce. This is 12 years ago. Pierce, my point to you... No one knows who you are. I never... A, never tried to be an actor, never pretended to be an actor. B, I was never a career drag queen. I did once I dressed up in drag. I paid somebody. Once a we've seen photograph. I mean, is it likely? I mean, again, look, I don't care if you dress up in drag. It doesn't make any else to me. No, I don't care. I don't care. Here's my question for you. A, it's unlikely you did that only once, if I may be so bold to suggest that. You can say that. Only once have we got photographing evidence, right? Pierce, I think it's just... To me, it's almost amusing that people are trying to fight me of being something that I'm not, that quite frankly, if I were to say, oh, yeah, I'm a drag queen, that would probably give me a redemption point, which I'm not willing to take it because then I'd be admitting to a lie just to cover myself for the media. So I feel like what you guys want me to do is admit to something I haven't done. Let me tell you what I want you to do. I simply want you to be honest. I don't give a damn. Well, that's what I'm trying to tell you. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so here we're gonna see something he's prepared for. He knows you can see his smile comes back up. In the beginning of it, he is happy and then his eyes narrow, the smile goes away and you see almost tears. Is that frustration? I can't tell. It looks like you may have some doopers to light come up. Is that left side of his smile comes up? Maybe it's contempt, not sure which. But I think he thinks he can defend this one because he's got all the right words. And you hear him do a masterful chap and almost a redirect. He now conditions the question is whether he's a professional or amateur. If I was a drag queen, I was a porous drag queen in the world. That's a big deal. And he parks that very quickly and then moves on and talks about being a career drag queen. They're portraying to the American people that I mean drag performer, career drag queen. That's a big deal because that's an incremental and rapid redirect. What he's done is throw out something, take a quick turn and now he's gonna park that and go another way. And then he creates coalition with other drag performers to take it one step further from the accusation. Which is offensive to drag queens, by the way. And make it about something else. He's doing a really, really good job of chap and redirect but Pierce Morgan is not having any part of it. And I'm pretty sure most of the drag queens in New York City will be great. He's one of the things that he cuts him off and that's the way you kill a chap and redirect. He does a great job. That's one of the best we've seen anybody do in any of these. Then he does this all out cluster of all clusters deviation from what we've seen. There's a Biden smile. When you defend yourself using a Teflon smile to get rid of things, there's a tongue jut. And then he starts to attack that faked resume, the thing he calls a faked resume. I didn't know this Wikipedia page existed. I'm making this very clear. I have no clue. I have no ownership of that page though, right? That's a lot of effort to defend something that you simply could say that never happened. That's that. That's all you got to say. A lot of noise around that. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, this is this is brilliant because look, Piers, you know, has been a naughty boy in the past. He knows that. We know that he can be a real pain and be brutal to some of the wrong people now and again. But here my hats off to him. I think he's brilliant because he's a real student of behavior here. He's he's got this this idea of of look, look, you know, I only did this once. I'm just saying you clearly dressed up in drag once. And Piers says, no, it's unlikely that you only did that once. It's unlikely you did that only once because behavior tells us. Behavior tells us, as I've always said, once is a pattern. If you see somebody do something once, you can gamble big money that they've done it in the past or they will do it again in the future. It is a really good leading indicator of a history or what's to come and and a great one to just remember in in politics. If you ever if you ever work in politics, as I have done and I have been there with with a photograph and gone, oh, OK, that's an interesting photograph. And thought to myself, there's more of those. We only have one of them. There's more of those. And it's turned out to be true. If you have one piece of evidence, there's likely more evidence out there. And so be careful how you play that evidence because you're not the only one holding a card. You may think you have the ace, but other people hold cards as well to that behavior. And I would agree with Piers. You know, not there's anything wrong with that behavior. I think he actually he actually looks really quite fantastic. I mean, you know, if that's him and it possibly is, I mean, all credit to him looks looks looks really quite good, really quite excellent. You know, I hope there is more out there because it looks like he's doing a good job there. I would prefer him at this point as my my drag queen act than as anybody in authority. I think he'd hold great authority on the on the stage and probably shouldn't have any authority in politics right now. Not because of the drag thing, just because he's a barefaced liar. I mean, just barefaced. I mean, there's liars out there, but he's he's something else. Chase, what do you got on this one? Yeah, so I agree with you that this is not the classic deception scenario. But let's break down the behaviors here because this is not deception per se by the legal term. We have a blink rate start spiking right away right when the question starts coming out. This is an indicator of stress. Then right at the words notion and idea, I had no notion idea. He's using those words, the notion, the idea. He's changing the definition as he's moving forward, which is. I think accidentally masterful. Then we see a loss of fluency here. He's saying I didn't know this Wikipedia page existed. No clue, no ownership of that page. He's unable to unable to agree that it's weird. Is that right? All Pierce wants him to do is agree that it's a weird thing. It's weird. So he's unable to even do that. This is where we're going back to what's concealed, what's withheld, what's the intent and it denies trying to be an actor. My point is you are. I never tried to be an actor, never pretended to be an actor. Why? He's not denying the actual thing. He's denying the trying to be an actor and he's making an admission to something on the page, not denying, creating the page at all. He never denies creating that page. And he's saying he dressed up once. I did once I dressed up in drag. I once look at this hand when he's saying I dressed up one time. The fingers are rigid and stiff and just being restrained as if they're just waiting to come up and show more. And as a quick note on this, he is countered on his fingers in at least five other occasions and interviews that I was able to find. I was unable to look at any behavior, even remotely resembling this. So this is a very unusual change in behavior for him. And right at the end, I just want you to just I'm just going to give you what he says in response to the question. I want you to analyze this on your own as a subscriber, as a panelist. Piers Morgan just says, I want you to be honest. I seem to want you to be honest. And the response from him is what I'm trying to tell you. You can analyze that any way you like. I'd like to hear your response. What what you think while you're watching the show, Greg. Hey, Chase, I've already gone. But one thing he's counting this way until he says only did it one time. Yes. In the same video, the exact same video. So you're dead on Scott. Yeah. All right. The key here is where Piers says, why would someone invent you? Why would someone invent you? Why would someone invent you? He invented himself. That's what's happened here because there's nobody in there. There's nobody there. Kafka said or and I always use this. But he said every man is necessarily the hero of his own story. This guy wants to be a hero. So bad going back to what Chase was saying at the beginning. There's something wrong there at the beginning of him that has made him want to do all these things. And this grandiosity of his personality type, all these things in the narcissism, hating himself. That's where all this is rooted from. That's the key right there. Why would someone invent you? He invented himself. He's done it all. And though Forrest Gump is told from a third person's perspective, this is told from his first person's perspective. Going back to Kafka. So there's a lot of heavy stuff going on with this cat, man. He's he's this. I think it can be dangerous at some point. If he hasn't been already, we just don't know. So I'd keep an eye on that guy. The other one is you. You angrily denied. This is another one where it's quite interesting because I don't know why you would deny it when it was clearly turned out to be true. Particularly after all the fury that had gone on. But you angrily deny being a drag artist. After a Brazilian drag queen posted a picture of herself with you. You said the most recent obsession from the media claiming I'm a drag queen or performed as a drag queen is categorically false. It is. It's not, though, is it? Pierce, save the pictures. Hold on, I go out. So if I was a drag queen, I was a poorest drag queen in the world because I had one outfit in one day. I'm not saying you're a good drag queen. I'm just saying you clearly dressed up in drag. Once. Well, sorry, okay. Does that mean saying I'm not a murderer? I only kill one person. No, I understand. But Rudy Giuliani dressed up in drag. It's not a what about, really. Is he a drag queen? I've got a lot of questions for Rudy Giuliani. Here's my point. He dressed up in drag. Look, here's my point. Here's my point. Why deny it? I didn't deny it. Why attack the obsessive media for publishing a truth? Because the media is not telling the truth. The media is portraying to the American. You just say the truth. They are. They're portraying to the American people that I'm a drag performer, a career drag queen, which is offensive to drag queens, by the way. And I'm pretty sure most of the drag queens in New York City are in drag. Here's why they think that. Here's why they think that. Not just because you've admitted you dressed up in drag. But a 2011 Wikipedia bio for a user named Anthony DeVolda, one of your pseudonyms. Which is not mine. Came the following a successful drag career. You landed roles on Disney channel shows like Hannah Montana and a role in a movie called The Invasion starring Uma Thurman. Either you did that under your pseudonym, which you have told me you use, or somebody has gone away and created their own Wikipedia bio using one of your pseudonyms to invent all this. Why would they do that? I had no notion, idea, or even... I didn't know this Wikipedia page existed. Why would someone invent you and pretend to be you in 2011? Or anyone knows who you are? I'm making this very clear. I have no clue. I have no ownership of that page. Weird though, right? Weird. Someone... Pierce. This is 12 years ago. Pierce, my point to you. No one knows who you are. I never, A, never tried to be an actor, never pretended to be an actor. B, I was never a career drag queen. I did once I dressed up in drag. I paid somebody. Once we've seen photograph. I mean, is it likely? I mean, again, I don't care if you dress up in drag. Doesn't mean he owes to me. No, I don't care. Look, here's my question for you. A, it's unlikely you did that only once, if I may be so boldly to suggest that. You can say that. It's just that only once have we got photographing evidence, right? Pierce, I think it's just... To me, it's almost amusing that people are trying to fight me of being something that I'm not, that quite frankly, if I were to say, oh yeah, I'm a drag queen, that would probably give me redemption points, which I'm not willing to take it, because then I'd be admitting to a lie just to cover myself for the media. So I feel like what you guys want me to do is admit to something I haven't done. I said, let me tell you what I want you to do. I simply want you to be honest. I didn't give a damn. Well, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Yeah.