 So I will call this meeting to order. The first item on the agenda is to approve the agenda. And I assume there are no requested changes to the agenda so we'll consider the agenda approved. We have some members of the board appearing remotely. So I would ask. Ask you to introduce yourselves. I'm Sarah Carter. Hi, this is Adrian Gill from district one. So I'll follow district two. All right. I think we're good to go now. Just to give a little. Okay. So we have an introduction on how things will run. We're, this is part of a long series of abatement hearings that we've, that this board has been holding. And, and we've gotten it down to. A way of proceeding that. Enables us to move through the hearings. So we're going to move through the hearings. Mostly by asking a set of canned. Questions that are the things that we need to. Get, get you to go through in order to. Be sure that we're meeting our statutory requirements. And it will. It may seem kind of. Personal and robotic, but that's because we're just trying to. We're just trying to get the information that we need to. Get for the quest for our answers. And we have a long. Agenda tonight because we were not able to meet last week. And so. I think we'll, we'll get through it all. Very quickly. And. For starters, I will ask everyone who's going to be testifying. If you have any questions. If you have any questions. If you have any questions here in the room or. Or remotely to raise your right hand. Do you solemnly affirm subject to the pains and penalties of perjury. That the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Okay. Thank you. Consider that everyone's sworn in. And I will also rule that. The materials that have been submitted in advance are. And, and then one other thing. I should say is that. The rule we have developed for. Flood. Flood damage requests is that we will. Take the evidence of on. All of the. Cases and then. We will not make a decision on those cases tonight, but make a decision on all those cases. At our next meeting, which is next Monday. And the reason for doing that is so that we will. Be able to uniformly. Apply the standards to. To all the cases appearing before us. And. First person on the agenda is Georgia Goldsboro. We're going to have a meeting. 12 North college street. So why don't you come on up. Is this set up so cameras where the witness is supposed to say. Sort of set up however. We'll be able to be on camera. There we go. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thanks for, thanks for coming back. Thank you. Thank you. For bearing with me. I had never been to an event material. For last time. And I realized. It's not a very prepared. And I'm really grateful for this opportunity. I did call John. At the city. Clerk office to find out if it's all right. If I bring a lot of supporting documents. If I could pass them around. The expenditures of. Bringing to the. Barnett 12 North college street up to where it is today. If I could pass them around. I have a worksheet here. That can go into record. If there are any errors. I have a second sheet to. To fix the errors. I have. The amount of taxes I still owe. I have to add a document. Here. That's the first page. I have my income. Documents here. I did bring. Also my tax return. Go with the supporting documents. I also brought a permit that. This was brought up to me that I would have to have one. So I did bring the permit that supported the work that I did have starting with last August to mid-December this year, when I was able to get Michelle at the office to approve my occupation there. So I brought that permit. I brought my expense sheet just for the fun of it on what it did spend so far on the building and then the surprise service tickets that came my way that sent me over, quite over the top, which was for the removal of the rodent infestation insulation, which wasn't in the original budget. I did bring the original budget proposal to then and then I did bring the work that was done so far, which is two thirds of the work. Which- How many separate documents do you have? I'm counting separate, and counting each page of my tax return, do you mean? Yeah. It's possible. I would guess, but I'm just gonna pass them around. Just have one copy? Yes, because I don't want unnecessarily for things to go into public record, but I want everybody to see it. And I did bring the worksheet that I was given at the city clerk's office. Okay, and so to be clear, your request for an abatement is based on the provision of state law that says that anyone who does not have the ability to pay their taxes can request an abatement. And so can you give us in your oral testimony what your income and expenses are that we can, so that we can evaluate this? I'm gonna include things that the worksheet that I was given at the city clerk's office did not include. I have Social Security of $956 per month. I received $290 in, I guess it's a combination of medical expenses and it's called SS, it's food stamps, it's forcement. Would you just state your income and then your expenses? I'm stating all my income right now. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I'll be clear. I'm trying to be clear. Sure. $956 in Social Security, $290 in state's assistance. Full benefit this year for my heating costs, starting with $1,059, 1,059, and then I received a grant, an anonymous grant for $750, and then Capstone did a split ticket with Burt Born energy, and they are my propane purveyor, and that is cooking as well as heating. So that would average out to an amount, but I've, so I put a star next to that where I put my housing expenses, there's a star there. What else sets it for my income? Okay. So once you're total monthly, did you add that up? Yes. No, I did not add that up because they asked me to leave out one. I can do that. I bet somebody here has already done that. You guys are even talking. I didn't know that. Okay. I didn't get the last one. Something from Capstone? Yeah. So I would say, sorry about that, I didn't see where to add that up. Wasn't there some spousal maintenance last time you testified too? Yes. There was and it's erratic, but I do on an average receive $500 a month for spousal maintenance. It is not in record. I received $290 in state's assistance and I fuel, so far has been paid by field assistance and grant. And that would be a $233 expense averaged out over 12 months. That would be. So that works out to like two through 33 a month that fuel assistance. It does. Yes. Everybody else coming up with $19.79? Okay. What do you have as a total because I... $19.79? Okay. Okay. And could you go over your expenses then? Yeah. So property taxes average out months need to be $446.79. I want an electric average right now at $68. My heat average to $233 per month. That's heat as well as cooking propane. Water and septic 55, I did it. That's a little bit of a guesstimate. Telephone, it's $37.50. Cable internet service, $36. Home, owner's insurance, $175. That's all, that's still a month. What's that? It's still $175 a month for homeowners insurance. Yes. Okay. And is there anything else? Oh, yes. Food groceries, $500 a month. Transportation, gasoline, $137 a month. Car insurance, $73 a month. And under just the other... Oh, okay, that's that. Then under miscellaneous pet care supplies, $50 a month. And other $40 a month. So that came to 90. And have you already added all that up? I have not added it all. Okay. Sorry. $17.50. Trust your math, a little more than I trust you. And I think that what you've told us so far doesn't include any of the money that you've put into the house, which I gather is one of your biggest expenses or what kind of pushes you over the edge. Is that right? Yeah. I have right here the budget that the contractor's name is Purchase and Holding Company. That's Peter Bogart. His estimate was for $103,000. Came up to over, just for him alone, $110,000. And then ran into the rodent infestation issue that cost so far another 10... Well, I didn't add up his... I didn't differentiate between his and that, but it has added up so far to... To pay for this. So $9,000, sorry, sorry, sorry. $4,760 plus $1,840, those are the two amounts. One was the removal of the insulation throughout the building. The other, the smaller amount, the $1,840 was for the blown in 36 inches of cellulose over just the living quarters of the building. I see. So this isn't for the exterminator, this is for replacing the rodent damage. Right, and it does not include what the estimate for the next part of the building will be. Okay. Do you have a mortgage payment? No, I don't. I paid for it, but I sold my little farm and... But... So I think the last time you visited us, you were working on getting maybe a home equity loan. Yeah, so where that stands right now is it's being called by, here it is, by Michelle and ADU. I did not qualify for the loan estimate here. Went for $50,000 for the estimate is $47,597. But I pre-fault, so that was a blow because I thought I was in pre-approval state when I came in last time. But I did qualify in a pre-approval way for the FDA loan grant because I'm a senior citizen and for the roof, I have an estimate for it that is for painting it. They don't usually do grant money for painting a metal roof. But in this case, because it is a 50 year roof that has been painted three times, it's not leaking. They are considering the grant money for the painting of that roof. That's the status it's at right now. I had a two hour telephone interview where all my expenses went out and then the discussion came in what does the building need, the building itself need? And I was asked to discuss all the repairs which are multiple, but I also did say that I was wanting to apply and obtain a loan for an auxiliary dwelling unit which would tie into my heating system that I put in, use all the same infrastructure, but that would be an income bearing so that I can afford the building and my overhead. And it's a three months process. They work, they micromanage with the contractor. The money goes to the contractor, to the each, you know, say I run up to Bill, RK Miles, they, it would go there. I don't see the money when it flow through, it's micromanaged. I've had three discussions with them and so I'm chasing that avenue down. I have no, I don't want to say I'm in pre-approval but I did get a pre-qualification notice. And then I have the estimate for that included in all this paperwork here. Anybody wants to be passed around? I'm happy to pass it around. And I also was this past week notified that I do qualify for weatherization. Weatherization is coming on Tuesday to look at the, mostly it's insulation, but they're also going to look at this rodent infestation need for abatement of that. So I don't have any balance sheet or answers about where that would put me financially when I go working really hard for the FDA loan. The loan is a $10,000 grant and then any spillover would go into a loan. So there's a grant, then there's a 40,000 cap loan and I have no idea what they're gonna say to me. And did you say are you current on your taxes? I'm not, oh no, I'm not current on my taxes. I have that sheet. I'm behind on my taxes. So organized that I can't find it. 3,477 dollars and 69 cents. That includes the interest owed today. Okay, does anyone have any other questions? I wanna make sure I'm understanding this is a request for the abatement of prior taxes, not future tax. I think that's right. Yes. And so the potential of loan or grants or all of that is a future issue. And I think we're just looking at the income status. I think that's the best for us in terms of income, the language issues. I think that's right. Is that what I'm thinking about this track? I think you are, yeah. Okay. And so are you asking for us to abate this 3,477,69? Is that the amount that you're asking for? That is what I'm asking. Okay. Okay, sorry. Yeah. According to the tax bill that was sent out to us, the total taxes for the year are 5361. I just said we're only looking back, not forward, but that portion up to the 3,34 has been paid. And then this portion that I'm addressing is still outstanding, includes an interest. Okay. Any member of the board have any other questions? Does anyone wanna make a motion? I move the amendment. And is there a second? I thought we were waiting. Well, this is, I agree. I was thinking the same, but this is a, it's not related to the flood. It's not part of the, it is clarified as, but I'm still wondering why we're only debating why we've got everybody else in the room. Okay, yeah. So the same is true with regard to personal property abatement, we had not held, we acted on those immediately too, I believe. But so is there any discussion about the question? Yeah, it complies to me because I'm going to say this, that Holland had indicated a pretty low income, but there is an asset here. And I feel pretty uncomfortable about waiving the taxes on that and not putting that burden on other low income taxpayers in Montpelier when there is an asset that hasn't been, I think the question is, is there an ability to pay? And there is an asset that hasn't been used in order to acquire some funds to pay the taxes. Oh, can I address that? I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. So I feel pretty uncomfortable granting this abatement for that reason, even though there's a demonstrated pretty low income. I didn't really get your hand up. I actually agree with Rosie. That was fine. Okay. Yeah, I'm in a very similar place. My great sympathy to the situation of the low income. I do remember at the last time we talked about this, there was some discussion that the plan to request abatement came during the closing process. And before the rodent infestation had happened and perhaps I'm mistaken about that, but that was what I thought that I heard. And so it seemed like abating the taxes was built into the overall plan for making this property purchase work. And I don't feel comfortable asking the rest of Montpelier taxpayers to shoulder that. Any other comments from members of the board? And I know the taxpayer had a response she wanted to make. So I'm married, and that's well. As I, maybe I misunderstood the written request, but I thought the indication was that the property owner wasn't able to take advantage of the income related abatement that would normally be provided because this was a property in transition. If she don't did for 10 years, she would have been able to make the application for getting the words for the income sensitivity. Thank you, income sensitivity. Yeah, I think she didn't own the property by the deadline of filing the Homestead Declaration. That was what I assumed. And I appreciate the shifting of the tax liability question or the burden to other Montpelier folks. That pathway in the past taken into consideration just the timing issue of people not having been able to take advantage of that. I think it's a good question. Could you folks move that microphone? No, I'm done now, Kim, sorry. Just going by recollection, I remember we had a case that came before us probably five years ago. It was probably before the pandemic where someone came in and there was a dispute about whether they had filed their property, their Homestead Declaration on time and they thought they had and the tax department thought they had not and so they didn't get credit for income sensitivity. And I think that that was the only reason they didn't have the money to get the pay the taxes. And I don't think their abatement was approved, but I don't think it was. I don't think I remember that. Val and then Sal. Yeah, I basically had a lot of conflicting feelings about this as well based on, I agree with Carrie and with Rosie in tune. Sal. I actually did not hear the motion. Which way is the motion going? What is the actual motion? The motion is to grant the abatement in the amount of 3477.69, which is the total unpaid taxes for the year. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other comments from the members of the board? Kate, I know you wanted to respond. No, I just didn't know. If I made it clear that when I, but I think I did when I first came to see you, I thought I was pre approved for the loan based on the bank I had. And that was for whatever reason, how those things go, I was a pre approved after that for $20,000, which does nothing for the, I mean, then that's a $371 amount per month. And it just came to me that I had to table that, do the repairs, get the building sound, safe, repaired and solid. And then pursue this roof issue and the loan, the FDA loan. I did, it's a HELOC, it is based on the equity, my income and it came to $20,000, which doesn't do that thing, which would be bringing in revenue to be able to pay the taxes, insurance and just basically the fundamental that's involved overhead. So that is the thing that the status that did change. I just didn't know if I made it clear that it was an equity-based loan. Okay. Right, anything else? If not, we're ready for a vote. All those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. And we'll have to have a roll call. Tim? No. Aye. Oh, sorry, Mary. I'm in favor of the, yes. Sorry, that was the way we were going. No. Kim, you voted yes. Charlotte? No. Rosie? No. No. Mary? No. Sal? No. Adrienne? No. And Sarah? No. Okay, the motion fails. Sorry, thanks for coming in. That is our decision. Next up, we have Colleen Manje, Langdon Street Tavern. Yes. And here you are online. Okay. So am I right in thinking that this is just the personal, no, this is not just a personal property. It's the personal property tax for the tavern. Okay, just the personal property. Yeah. Too many papers here. So is your situation that basically just everything in the tavern got wiped out? It did. I mean, obviously, you know, in Montpelier, Langdon Street got hit pretty hard with the flood and we had to totally rebuild. So, yes, you're correct. Okay. And the amount? 704.04. Okay. Does anybody have any questions? Three quarters or is that the whole year? This is the whole. I think it's the whole year. That's the whole year. Yeah. 176.111. Did we do the whole year for everybody else on personal property? No. Go ahead. So my question is, is everything been replaced at this point? It has, yes. Yeah. Okay. So what we did one other time was we debated the portion up to when everything's replaced. So when did you, when do you replace the personal property? Well, we were able to reopen at the end of October. So that was when everything was replaced by. So that's four months. Four months. Correct. Yep. So is there a motion to abate four months' worth of four-twelfths of 704.04? Sure, if somebody can figure that out. I think you're not the one doing it. Yeah. I think it's 176.01, maybe. One quarter. Does that sound great? No, a quarter is three months. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So what was the whole 704? 704.04. 234.68. Okay. Can we abate that for what, 234? What was it, Jack? 234.68 is what I came up with. 234.68, and then that we abate the personal property taxes and that amount. Is there a second? I'll second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. You are all set. So just a question. So I'm assuming that there's probably a balance due and how do I rectify that to get a bill so we can pay? Do I work with Beverly Hill or? I think probably talk to them. That's probably the way to go about it. And so I should give some time for the abatement to be applied before reaching out to her. Sure, that sounds right to me. And can you tell? I just don't want to be behind. So I need to know when to reach out to her for an updated invoice. We'll be sending you a decision. So I would say a couple of weeks. You'll be sending out a new invoice to the Tavern. I'll be sending out a report to you of the decision. Okay. That's when I would reach out to Beth. In a couple of weeks. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Any further questions for me? Nope, we're all set. Ralph, thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Next up, Charles Haas. Come on up. And I've read your request for abatement. And I think you're before the wrong body for this. Sarah, I wasn't really sure what abatement was. And Sarah handed me the form. And I was thinking it was appeal of the value. I was confused. So just take what I had written in there as well, that I was confused. But then they said that maybe I should come up now for abatement, which makes sense. I just didn't know what an abatement meant. I thought abatement meant the abating to assess the value of something. I didn't know. I had never even heard of this. Let me try to clarify this for you because there's two separate questions. One is what you filed is basically saying that judging by the damage to your neighbor's property across the street, and the difficulty they're having selling that property, that it makes you think that your property is probably worth less than its current assessment. And so that's a request, essentially an appeal of your assessment. And that's something you can do once a year. And so later this year, you'll get a new property tax bill with your new assessment, or you'll get your new assessment and you can appeal that. And that comes before a different but very similar body called the Board of Civil Authority. But there's also a process called the request for an abatement where someone can request that some of their property taxes can be abated, which is they can be relieved of the burden of paying that, either based on the fact that the property was destroyed and holder in part, or that they don't have the financial ability to pay the property taxes. Now none of that is in your request now, but you could certainly go back and file a new request for abatement, so someone can always file a request for an abatement. So, can I just ask? Yeah. Have you had a flood damage? Yeah. Okay. The house is basically unlivable. Okay, so I'm the assessor. How about if I come over next week and we can probably get ahead of this before it has to go to grievance? Because there are a bunch of houses that were flooded and we're gonna readjust it. We're gonna adjust the values before this next grand list comes out. Well, the other thing, well, my next-door neighbor, Katie, decided she would take fire. But I've been in the house for a long time and my kids were raised in the house and they said very clearly that they really were hoping to not do that. We wanted to save the house because it means a lot to all of us. We've been in the house for a long time the kids were raised in the house, playing there in the river and everything and nobody really wanted to sell the house. So we wanted to take it. As far as, but after the abatement thing was explained to me after I had written that thing and I realized, oh, I wrote thinking it was the other thing, the appeal for this value. But then I said, well, okay, I'll just come here anyway and just forget about what I wrote because that didn't make sense. It was for something else because they didn't understand what it was. If you've had damage to the home, we have to adjust those values accordingly. So if I come over and take a look at your house next week, we can adjust the value of your home for the next grand list, which will be lost in mid June. Okay. Well, is it possible though to get an abatement for this year for some of the time? Well, another one of the problems which has nothing to do with the flood was that I was paying, well, the quarterly payments was $320 last year and then they went up to 791 this year and not mostly because of our income, but I think John had said maybe it was because that the state payments were based on the assessment for a year before and the next year would probably go up so that what I owed would be more similar to that. Yeah. So you have a income sensitivity payment and the city had just gone through a reappraisal. We ran into this before where they don't. Yeah. They cross in the mail so you don't get that credit until it's coming through. So for the following year, it would... You will get it for this year. And we realized that, but we had been saving up some money and said, okay, well, okay, we'll come up with the money somehow. And my daughters were in the house in the two bedrooms on the first floor when the flood came. And well, the idea was my pregnant daughter who my granddaughter, three-year-old granddaughter were in their bedroom and someone from our church offered her a place to stay to have the baby and then, but then they needed the house back. So she went to stay with relatives somewhere else. And since their house wasn't very livable, we have no kitchen, no real bathroom, no hot water and heat in a tiny little part of what used to be the kitchen. It wasn't very livable in the winter so we went to spend the time with them. In the winter, we were gone for three months. So the house haven't been very livable. And now we've come back to try to use the help we can get to try to start fixing up the house. Now, let me ask you another question. Have you been in communication with Mike Miller or Josh Jerome from our... Yes, Josh, I saw Josh. Housing Community Development Office because it seems like you may qualify for assistance from FEMA, possibly, you'd be one of those people who'd be looking to have your house elevated as opposed to a buyout. Yes, well, that's what I applied for with Josh, the elevation of the house. And there were a lot of questions we had about that and he didn't really know the answers and said, well, we'll have to figure it out. How we can do that? But I think I should just start trying to use what we got from FEMA now, money, which didn't come until late and that point in the winter was coming and we couldn't really stay there in the winter. But now I think we should just start trying to put the house back together as much as we can now and we've gotten some help now. So basically what I decided I should ask for here is since what I have to pay for the taxes is $791 per every three months. We paid them the wine in the summer and the fall and we've already paid them, but it was a stretch to do that and the new one's coming up in May and we haven't had much of an income since we were away. And so I was just hoping that some of it could be whatever you would feel comfortable abating. I mean, I have no figure, a particular figure I'm asking for, but whatever you could do to help. I'm gonna go through the whole list of questions that we're asking of people who have flood damage because it definitely seems like we should be getting significant abatement based on the damage to the property. And so I'll just go over, did you lose the ability to use the property for at least 60 days? Oh yes. And did you lose the access to utilities for at least 60 days? Oh yeah. Yes, completely. The property wasn't condemned. No. Has the property been raided substantially damaged by the city? I have no idea. Okay. I don't know then. Sure. And with regard to the whole property, we're looking at the ratio between the total square feet and the building and the number of square feet that are damaged. So in your property was the damage all on the basement first floor. Was there any damage on the second floor? No. Our bedroom is on the second floor. My wife and I, our bedroom is on the second floor and there's no damage to that. It's exactly the way it was before. Well, no, it doesn't have any heat. But we can sleep there using an electric space heater which winds up costing a lot of money, but we can do it, which is what we have been doing. We applied for a rent or whatever that they would try to pay for us to have another place to live. But that hasn't come through. I don't know what's happening with that. I have a meeting tomorrow morning with somebody. Leo Buell at Capstone, who's supposed to be looking into things like that. But our bedroom is fine. It's just that we have no kitchen. Is this in a house that's a total wreck other than the bedroom? Well, the problem was that the first floor was completely renovated. And the second floor was not completely renovated. But the first floor was and that was what was completely destroyed. And the basement and the heating system and like all of that in the basement was destroyed for removing all of that up to the first floor. It seems like we could get in touch with Josh or Mike and see it seems like this is probably calculated as substantially damaged, but we'll figure it, we'll find that out. Yeah. Does any other board members have any other questions? No, I don't think so. I don't know if there's a list of substantially damaged properties. Yeah, I just don't have a question, but there is, I don't think it was on there, but clearly it's closed. Yeah, we know exactly where your house is as knowing what the house across the street did. It's hard to believe yours isn't, but we'll find out about that. You were there when we had the, when the truck came to take our things. Yeah. And I was in the bridge, I don't know. Noma is sitting on the top of his, the roof of his blood damaged car watching the seven foot pile of trash being taken away. Yeah. Because it was the first one, us and Katie, our neighbor were the first people who had the trash taken away, so. Yeah. Okay, I think we have enough information to go on and you'll get together with the assessor and he'll figure out what your new value should be, but meanwhile, we'll put this you on the list as one of the cases that we're going to be evaluating next week to decide what level of abatement you should receive. Nope. Okay. Yeah. And then we'll get a written decision out to you. Okay. Well, thank you. You're welcome. Thanks for coming in. Next up, we have Mary Clark. Mary Clark here, huh? Is the person identified as iPhone six? Could you unmute yourself and let us know if you're Mary Clark? That's me. And I'm not. Oh. Oh, okay. Claire, how about that? Make sure there's some of it. Nobody gets there. It's all that they all know. The sign's out there. Down there, yeah. They all know. Everybody down there are following that report. Okay. Well. Yeah. Okay. We'll skip that one. We, and we've done that on previous cases if the person hasn't been there, we haven't just rejected it without making an attempt to contact them. Casey Ellison. All right. Is there a Casey Ellison here? Is that the same as Mary Clark? Okay. No. Okay. Marsha. I think these are people who were supposed to be here last week. Yeah. But we reached out to them verbally. So I'm not sure what's up. So you should have actually all know. Yeah. They do all know. Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to talk about the Casey Ellison one is kind of related. And so. Yeah. We have that deadline of the 15th to make it official now. Yeah. Well. We can try to squeeze them in on Monday. Yeah. Marsha Laplante. Excellent. You're here. You're here. All right. And you are independent screening. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what happened? I have the questions, but I will go over them. But why don't you just tell us a little bit? Yes. I live at 42 independent screen. And I'm applying under the category of taxes or changes upon real or personal property lost or destroyed during the tax year. And specifically flood damage on during the disaster starting July 10th. There was a significant amount of runoff from the development above first grease farm condominium association where I live and my basement became flooded. The entire basement was flooded at a level of approximately an inch and a half of water. Kind neighbors came in and helped me remove the water which was much appreciated. After a few days of drying, it became clear from the odor and the appearance that more was going to have to be done. So I contacted the serpro company and they did an assessment and said that indeed there was water absorbed in contamination. So later in July, they provided demolition and decontamination services and drying. I submitted to Sarah some photos that are labeled before flood and photos one through four are the basement prior to the flood. Photos five through seven are those same areas of the basement after the flood and after the demolition. The main reason why I submitted the abatement application was at my most recent valuation the condo included a finished basement and a three quarter bath at the basement level. Now post flood, the property includes an unfinished basement and no bathroom. I also should say that since the original incident, I know you've heard this many times, my basement has continued to flood every time there's a heavy rain. I recorded seven different incidents in the summer and early fall. I kind of stopped recording after a while. I since then in the late fall, I have had a sump pump installed and which of course is dependent on electricity. So I believe that there could be, there will be future risk of flooding. I did want to clarify too in my application that at no time was I unable to live on the first and second floors of my condo. So, and I can provide some financial information if you like about costs. Okay. In your case, all event damaged was the basement not to any of the other. Correct. Okay. And for the property, for the part of the property that was damaged, was it unable to be used for 60 days or more? No. Was there ever a time when you had a lot of utilities? No. And the total square feet versus the damage square feet are all the levels the same? The three levels of the, of the condo are the same square footage. There's also a screen porch in the garage. Neither of those were damaged either. So one third. Yes. Yes. Okay. Any other questions? All right. We'll be taking your case up along with all the others and making decisions. Thank you. And thank you for taking the time to do this. I know it's such an incredibly long run. Okay. And you don't have to stick around. You're certainly welcome to, but. Anyone who's case, they're done. You don't need to stay till the end. Gotcha. Got it. Okay. Okay. And you are here. All right. And you have two requests. And I think one is real property and one is personal property. Is that right? Yes. Okay. And. And this is positive pie. Okay. Why don't I, why don't you just tell us in a few words, what happened to your property? So essentially the whole, the restaurant in its entirety was damaged. You know, we had a full working basement. 2600 feet. They had a 2200 foot raised full floor built in, you know, and, you know, I had a VCT tile and then our kitchens were up on that raised floor walking coolers, offices, locker rooms, compressor rooms. Three walking coolers were there. Our liquor storage, dry storage, just basically the whole place just was 12 feet underwater. I mean, 12 feet of water right to the top. And then it was another three feet. So we're talking 16 feet of water in the restaurant itself. And so the restaurant itself got three feet of water in it approximately. So we had to tear up, you know, everything, the floors. They would got all messed up. You know, we had to rebuild the entire restaurant, essentially, you know, we put in new floors. We did a lot of infrastructure. We did a lot of mitigation. If you could keep your voice a little higher, I think some people are having trouble hearing. Yeah. So we did a lot of flood mitigation work, you know, as we were rebuilding. But the damage is extensive. I mean, we're talking it's going to land somewhere between six and $700,000 to rebuild that restaurant. So it's just been a rough road. You know, I'm $100,000 behind my taxes with state of Vermont. I have to catch up with them, which I'll be, you know, I just worked out a payment plan with them, but you know, just took out a 30 year loan for half a million dollars. I had some friends and family trying to help me and just basically have to start, you know, I was I was three years away from being out of debt with that restaurant. And now I'm 30 going in for 30 more years. So it's a sad story all around. It's really, it's been, it's been a really rough road to last eight months. I mean, I'm there working 18 to 20 hours a day for the last five months trying to get this thing back up and running. And, you know, haven't been able to sleep. To be honest with you, it's been rough. So I didn't even know about this tax abatement thing, to be honest. I just walked into the town clerk and she mentioned it to me. I'm like, man, any help at all would be so appreciated. So I just filled out the forms right then and there. And then here I am. Great. So I'm going to, I've got a set of questions. I'm going to go over with you. The first question is, did you have a loss of use of the property for more than 60 days? The answer is clearly yes. And did you have loss of utility service to the property for at least 60 days? Yes. You had. You have income loss for the property. Yes. Yes. Yes. And the total square feet. Over, over the damaged square feet or the other way around. Is the second floor the same square footage as the other two floors? It's a little bigger. 2,800 square feet because there's a, in the basement there's a boiler room that's part of the condo association altogether in that building. So that occupies a small corner, which is a shared. So yes, it's 2,800 square feet in the, in the. And the first floor. And the, the. Could you remind us when the. The, the, the, the, the takeout and opened up. Takeout opened up about five weeks ago, I want to say six weeks. And that's operating at a loss right now. And, you know, we did have the food truck too for a little while. And that operated at a loss too. Mostly just to keep our employees, key employees working. And the takeout has been operating a loss because we have. You know, pretty high paid salary, managers that are helping to get our staff. Staffed up for, we had to hire all new staff for the dining room in the front of the house. And there's so many big plates and things that's kind of ordered and shelving and TVs and whatnot. So they're helping get while I'm doing the construction. They've been instrumental in trying to get all the particulars ready to try to get that dining room up and running. So that's why they're, you know, it's labor-heavy right now. So we get that dining room open. And when do you think the dining room is going to be open? Well, we're hoping by Monday. Yeah. Yeah, it's been quite a road. And it's like, well, it's sort of coming to the end of that road. And I'm just so excited to be honest with you to kind of like put this behind me and get this restaurant up and running again. I just heard from a friend today. She's eager to have she and everyone she works with is a year to have the bar open. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's beautiful. I mean, we did, like I said, we, we, we took out all the walls, you know, all the studs and insulation out four feet up and we replaced it with cement block and bricks, you know, basically built the thing like a shower to try to hand, you know, it's just a matter of time before another flood comes. And I'm just trying to not be shut down for seven months, you know, three months. Yeah. Well, but the back looks great. I like to go pick up a slice. So I'm on my way to city council meetings. And so I, I'm a regular there. Any members of any other questions? Okay. So the process is that we will make a decision on. On that, uh, presumably at our meeting next Monday. And now we can move on to your personal property. Yup. And the amount of your personal property bill. So we have it handy. 1523. Okay. And all that stuff has, has been replaced by now. Is that right? Yup. And you've heard us talking about this before. When was the personal property replaced? So it just been like over the last. Four months, basically. You know, piece by piece, you know, equipment, walk-in coolers. Tables chairs. Bar stools. You know, POS computer systems, all that kind of stuff slowly. Little by little. As thing is, I just received some SBA money. So the stress was since I started the project five weeks ago. You know, we were running out of money every two weeks, you know, and I'd have to ask friends and family for 50 to 70,000. Every couple of weeks, I had to go to another person and be humble and be like, Hey, can I borrow money? Because my SBA never came in. Then I took $170,000 alone at 18% interest because I had to pay contractors. And so I've racked up 480,000. Just thank God I got good friends and, and then got his money sharks out there. But, you know, I just did whatever I had to do to get this restaurant open because once the wheel started turning and we started building, you know, all the employees were eager to get the thing open and we didn't want to stop. So, so on the eclipse, two minutes before the eclipse, SBA loan came through for 500. So now I'm wiring all the money back to everybody that I borrowed from. So to say the least, it's like, you know, just on top of trying to build the restaurant and then on Friday, your account says, Hey, we need to put $70,000 in the bank by four o'clock today. That's that's the situation I was every other week. So it was just, it was quite a feat to be honest with you. I don't even know about miraculous that I pulled it off, but I was ready to jump off a bridge a few times. I'll tell you that. It was crazy. Okay. So thank you. Does any, any other member of the board have any questions? Or do we have a motion on the property tax? Personal property tax. Okay. So I think the difference in like picking a middle of the last four months as a point in time to obey too. Does that. Works for me. What does that mean? So it would be. Eight months. Like July to February. Okay. So work for everybody. If you get 1645. How much? 1645. Okay. That's the motion. I'll make that motion. Is there a second? All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. There you are. We've got your personal property tax abatement. And we'll make a decision on the real property tax. Thanks for coming in. Thank you so much for your time. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Your honor. I have a new Raj to worry. I'm the main street personal property. But didn't we get a note that they wouldn't be here? Did we? So weren't they going to be on? No. I don't. Well. Well. Be ready for them. Pretty straightforward. No. The email says. That they won't be able to make it to the meeting. Okay. Okay. So I've attached the answers to your standard for the bait and questions. Oh, okay. Great. And this is just personal property, right? Yeah. I think so. That just came. Tuesday. Okay. Do we have enough information? To. Do a motion based on that. Do we know when. When they would have replaced everything. This one read opened. The flood date until January 11th. My business was not able to be open. So it looks like. He's saying from. If I January 11th, the business was able to be open. Which you presumably means. There is personal property back on this. That's what it. Yeah. Cause it suggests he's able to open. So. So. Personal property is. 268. 48. So. Six months. A little more than six months. Yeah. Six. Six months. So half. So the motion is the date, 13424 and personal property taxes. You're making the motion. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Any opposed. All right. All right. Why don't you. Well, we're. We are. We live on. 34 independent screen. We were in another building. The Marshall plant. And we basically have the same car. It flooded in July camp. And we had extensive water damage in our basement. We had a family room. And then that was off. And that had carpeting. Had sheetrock paint. And then we had about a three fourths bathroom, which had final flooring. Shower and oven sink. And then we had a laundry room and it was all sectioned off. But the carpet was all closed completely out of there. The sheet rock was cut. And was, you know, we moved all the molding around with removed. And I didn't put this in. This is an amendment. We ended up now taking out the whole shower because. There's a watering can in the water. Keep me under the shower. So we had to pull the shower off. So now we just have a toilet in the bathroom right now. So it's, it's a. We don't, we don't have a, all we have now is a basement. There's nothing down there because I'm, except a pile of. Furniture. That's. You know, we have to do something with, but it's not going to be a finished basement anymore. Because we just can't put the money into it. And we had serve pro come up and they are the ones that mitigated all the sheet rock and the molding. And they, you know, they got rid of our same, they got rid of a lot of stuff. And we just mainly asking for some kind of. Appraisal to have it come assessed again to see what it's really worth. And we paid, we've been paying our time. We've been paying our time. We've been paying our time. And we, we're doing our best to. You know, you know, we've been paying our time. We're doing our best to get it down an affordable price. And we're doing our best to get it down an affordable price. So. We overestimated it and we, we were, we were really, we were obsessed again to see what it's really worth. And we paid, we've been paying our taxes ever since. August's from a straight through to February. And we just don't know what it's worth. You know, what was a praise for? Sure. And how deep did, did the water get in your face. And we have water every time it rains. It's like, you have to be down there every 15 minutes to vacuum it up. We have two big 10 gallon vacuum cleaners and we're just even nighttime vacuuming it up. We did have the association. We didn't do the pump system because the association wanted to go another way with it, which was. It was, we had a lot to seal, they seal all the way around the basement. It pumps up into the cracks in the floor. And then, after I moved the shower, they were able to do underneath the shower. So we're waiting to see what's going to happen with that. We haven't had sufficient rain to find out what's going to happen. Yep. And we do have pictures of the basement before, you know, when I had the shower. After we pulled it out. And. Anything above the basement level. No, no, that was live above. That's good. So again, like the, like the other folks, the other one. But you didn't lose. Use the property for more than 60 days. Didn't use you lose utilities for more than 60 days. And total square footage versus the damage square footage. Is it the same thing where there's the. All the floors are the same square. Yes. And so one third. Well, the bathroom. And that was bigger because while there's no while there. But the basic sizes. Oh, okay. Same square. Okay. And you heard. Heard Marty talk to the other person that you might be someone else that he would want to come over. Yeah, maybe you guys can all call my office on Monday. Schedule time next week. And just your values. Okay. Any other questions from members of the board. Okay, we'll get a decision out to you. Okay. Coming in. And last up. Enterprises. Well, I know people are not crazy. We try to be pretty. Very welcoming. Try to make it as easy as possible. So why don't you tell us what happened to you. Yes. So it's listed enterprises LLC. So more people in other properties. Housing, the end of Mount Piliar and depends on pizza. So obviously we were right in the thick of it for the flooding. We did lose the entire property use thereof for more than 60 days. There are three buildings on the property and apartment building. And then two separate buildings that comprise the end itself, one being nine rooms in the restaurant and the second being 10 rooms just solely dedicated to. In rooms. And sequentially all were flooded completely through the basement. We lost all utilities, furnaces, AC units on the property, substantial damage served for mitigated for three weeks there. We opened the building sequentially. So the apartment building first to try and get family and staff back there. That was just about the 60 day mark. The first in building and restaurant open reopen September 20th. And the last building, which had the most significant damage to 10 in rooms. We flooded into the first level. So that was a complete gut job of that as well. We have partially reopened there. And I just have to schedule now. The meeting for the CEO for the rest of that building. So we're hoping to expand that. And let's see 60 days more than 60 days loss of usage. More than 60 days of loss of utilities. Lost income. Clearly. And the total square footage versus the damage square footage. All three buildings together in 19,200 square feet. The White House completely out of commission until now is 6,200 square feet. And the. The main building is 8,900 square feet. With the nine rooms in the restaurant. And the rest of square floors. What was the second square footage? Sorry. So Dan was 62. And then the second one was. Name is 8,900. Anyone have any other questions? Is this. Oh, go ahead. So the upper floors were not damaged, but we're not usable because. You didn't have access to utilities, et cetera. And the damages in the first floor. All the floors redone the porch access. The, the properties were fully. Not condemned, but stripped. It's back. You were revoked until inspections could be done on that. Oh, I. I don't know. Is that the way you've been operating for a while? Using the apartment building for employees. Housing and Mount Pillars. Difficult. I personally have a program where we just. but do a discounted rent for staff. And I don't ask for a spirit deposit or a last month rent because it's very difficult enough. So the apartment building is 10 units and eight of those are currently staff members and various. Yeah. Yep. We need more housing. And it's an impediment to hiring staff, right? Yes, sir. Yep. I'm pretty fabulous to have a business owner who is stepping up and doing that sort of work. Yeah. Yeah. That's wonderful. I appreciate that. Anyone have any other questions? You have two bills here, right? Is this one for the personal property? I'm not applying for the personal property, just for the property tax for enterprises. Sure. It looks like there's, there's another entity endeavors, which is the operating company began, which has a small personal property tax bill, but I don't want to waste taxpayer's time on that one. Because there's a bill for 18,000 and then the tax bill for 57,000. Is that not part of? I don't see 57,000. No, this one, this is your, this is the tax bill. Oh, for the year. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. So what is that one? That's not for the personal property. You know, this is tied to the, these are the quarterly payments for the annual. I think we're accepting that. Thank you very much. Okay. So I think we know now this has us down as abatement deliberations, but we're not doing that till next week, right? Right. That should not have just didn't get updated yet. So I think we'll be able to, even with a couple of additions to Monday, we'll be able to get through all of them pretty quickly. We did them last time. All right. Anything else? Or should we just go into recess? All right. We are in recess.