 So, good morning to all. I am Sajandik Siddh, my colleague Subrata Naik from IIT, Kharagpur. We both are working in this field since long time. I am a project manager here. He is also a project manager. And I look after the video production activity, AVU transmission. So, first this project we started through AVU in 2009. On that time there were only few centers and there were lots of problems we faced. Now, current time, there are lots of improvement. We observed that many centers improved their transmission quality. So, I would like to congratulate some of the remote center coordinators. They have done this. They have been doing their best. They physically present during that time if it is required. So, many, many thanks to them. First, we will see the guidelines. It is already on our website. Whenever prior to the workshop, we said the same guidelines file in a attachment to all the center coordinators. So, just see this. This is the portal which we are using. And here there is a downloads. Here you can see the link of the AVU as well as we can found guidelines file. We tried to cover all the issues, all the installation procedure, operational things, everything we tried to cover inside this. This is the first version. So, just let us see that in the table of contents, classroom, then requirements of the AVU classroom, then installation procedure, then equipments, connections, system audio settings, then how to use AVU classroom. And general issues. Most probably you or we have been facing the problems. So, along with the solution, we had tried to cover this. All the issues are listed in this file along with the solutions. Then do's and don'ts. Daily checklist, when you start the machine, what are the checklist you have to follow? And the star rating criteria. What are the criteria we are following to award the stars? We tried to cover all the points in this file. So, the requirements we have mentioned here, as we are getting calls from the remote center that we are forcing to the centers to purchase this equipment, this equipment, this equipment. Just see this file. We have not mentioned anything that you have to purchase this equipment. Some of the center's call to us that please suggest a brand. Please suggest a brand. We are not aware about that. So, we suggested some brands. And we have mentioned OREQUELENT. If you are getting any branded equivalent model you can purchase. We recommend you to use any of the following capture card, which is required to connect camera in the system. So, we have mentioned OSPRE card, then PINICAL card. But we also mentioned OREQUELENT. If you are not getting that card in your area, in your nearest region, then you should purchase equivalent model. Whatever you are getting, that should be branded. Some remote centers. Earlier there was no audio mixer introduced. We recently introduced that. It is required because whenever we select a remote center, sometimes audio gain is low. We have a facility in IIT Bombay to increase the gain because we have lots of equipment here. But you are getting the same feed from server. Therefore, if the audio gain is low, we cannot increase that. If a remote center will provide good quality audio gain, then all will get the audio properly. So, therefore, audio mixer is required to control the gain and control the input and output facility. And of course, the audio system means audio amplifier plus speakers. So, since long time we have been observing that those remote centers who have been using AUSA brand amplifier, lots of problems related to that. Here, suppose we are transmitting a live session. We have a facility here to monitor the same transmission. We monitor it. If there is any problem, all the remote centers connected in this technology will get the same problem. But if a particular center is getting the problem, means there is a problem in that particular center. So, if you have a professional amplifier, then the audio problem will be resolved. So, the installation procedures, you should follow this. I am not going to explain in details. Any professional amplifier you can purchase. If you are getting good quality audio in AUSA, there is no objection, you can continue, no problem. The equipment's connections. You need to buy an audio mixer with Oaks facility. What is Oaks facility? We have mentioned it here. So, along with the diagrams, we have mentioned it here. So, Oaks means, suppose in a general output, if you have connected to my one AVU machine, so the consolidated signal, mixed signal of all the inputs, you can take out. But if you have an auxiliary facility, then you can control output. Suppose you have connected your microphone in number one input, and you have connected AV system output in number two input, and you are taking control through Oaks out facility, then there is a control here. If you increase the Oaks gain of mic one, then you will get only microphone output, not AVU machines output. If you do this, eco will be resolved. No eco will be generated. All the instructions are inside this file. How you can make a connection properly? This is the diagram. Then system audio configurations settings. So, there is a confusion here. Suppose you have inserted a microphone out, or audio out input in the machine. But in some cases, there are multiple inputs in the audio, the mic in lining. So, you have to tell your system that what you have, what the cable, where you have inserted. Suppose you have inserted cable in the microphone input, and you selected lining, then audio will not come. So, as per the connection, you have to tell to the computer that this is my input. Please, please do this. You have to select this. So, suppose you have inserted cable in the line in option, then there should be audio setting in, you can find that there is a line on option, you have to select the same. Whenever you connect the cable, just make sure that you are connected. If you are connected in the lining, you should select lining. If you are connected in microphone input, then you should select microphone input. And related to this, this is the gain control in the machine. You can call it volume control of the microphone. Then how to use AVU? So, I think you are familiar with this. When you log in, you will get the classroom. You have to join the classroom. Then you will get the final interface. Then you have to press the start button to start your streaming because whenever you log in and you join the class, you will get the transmission from our side. But you have to make, you have to start your stream also so that we can get your video. This is the advanced setting of video. So, if you are not aware of the advanced settings, please set default settings. Do not change it. Bandwidth quality, if you do not have more upload bandwidth, please do not increase more than 128 kbps. And here also there is an option. If you have connected your microphone cable in the line-in option, make sure it is selected line-in here. As per your connection, you should select this. And there are multiple buttons or tabs on that interface. So, I try to explain what are the use of these. Then general issues, as I discussed that, along with the solution, we have mentioned these. So, step by step, you should follow. If you are getting the, suppose you are getting login issues. So, there are steps here. So, you should follow one by one. So, 10 steps are there. Then suppose logged in successfully, but session class not available, then you should call because the problem is related to the registration in the classroom. Then getting finally interface, but nothing visible. So, steps are there. What you have to follow? Continuity in audio. So, it could be slow performance of the PC bandwidth, or sometimes it could be depends on, we can say that the Adobe Air version, which we provide along with the ABU installation. If you sudden accidentally or updated that version, you will get that kind of. Then desktop sharing not visible, transmission delay, audio breaking, low audio, audio echo. So, just go through this file and then do's and don'ts. What you should follow this also? What is the ideal placement of the camera inside the classroom? So, this is the diagram. Here I would like to say that this is the important part for participants from here. We already send mail many times to the remote center coordinator. Please print this and distribute to the participant faculties or teachers. So, here we have said that avoid formal greetings like good morning, good afternoon, good evening. So, every time whenever we select the same centers, there are lots of centers, they are waiting for their turn. So, please avoid this kind of formal greetings. And how you should hold the microphone. So, you can see first one is incorrect because the angle of the microphone is not proper. In second also, the mic is in third, mic is too close to the mouth. And in fourth, far away from the mouth, this is the correct position. So, this part you should, on first day you should print on the paper and distribute to the participants. Then there is a protocol over to use, you should also follow that. These are don'ts points. And there is a daily checklist. So, whenever next day, when you start the machine, you should follow this also. Then star rating criteria. These are the criteria which we are following to award the stars. So, one for testing, a view testing, two for audio video from remote centers. So, this is the distance works of which we are calling. So, if there is no audio video, that means no works of. We are giving preference to this. So, therefore, two star for this category. So, along with the screenshot, we have mentioned that how many stars you will get. Works of feedback. So, after the works of, or during the works of, we as from this, from computer programming onwards, we started a view monitoring. So, we randomly check the remote centers. And remote centers say that we have taken some screenshots before the session start or in the tea break or in the lunch break. That is not right. We know that this is the time break. Why we will take that? So, after the works of, we randomly call to the participating teachers that you got proper food there. You got proper assistance there. So, according to the feedback of the participants as well as a view connections and the screenshots, we allowed one star for participants or works of feedback in this category. So, you can see this is the monitoring interface. We can see all the centers at a time. Then fund settlement. We give you one month time to settle the documents for fund utilization. And you should submit that before the deadline. So, if you do, we will give one star. If you will not do, then zero star. Then please do not force us that that was the mistake. So, we were unable to produce the document. As per the guidelines, we award this. This is the guidelines file. So, come to the slide. The issues which we are facing frequently. In 70% cases, RC coordinates do not follow this file. Do not provide this file to the technical staff. As I showed you that everything inside this file, if the technical staff does not have that file, then he is unable to resolve the issues. In 40% cases, RC coordinators do not read that file or do not read emails properly. All the instructions we give in the email from where you have to download the view, which version you have to download, you have to use, what are the login credentials, what server you have to select, but they are not reading that mail fully. Every time technical people call us to provide login credentials, where is the download link, as you are the authorized person. So, we send email to you. So, you should make a local communication protocol inside your institute so that they can get this information. In 30% cases, during the live session of the workshop, we are facing these kind of issues. First is the testing with improper equipments. Sometimes we can see that some of the centers connect headphone or webcam, and they say that we will connect on first day. But what is the mean of the testing? Testing means that this is the final setup and it is in working condition and it will be used in the workshop. Right now, we do not have time to spend more than five minutes per time with per center, because earlier it was 30 remote centers, 40 remote centers. We spend lots of time to resolve their issues through taking the desktop control using TV or ME admin, whatever. But right now, there is no time to do this kind of activity. So, you should use the equipments which you will use going to use in the workshop. So, in some cases, a view testing is not performed well or on time. Then late login, disconnection, many disconnections we found per day. I observed that in a center, per day 625 disconnections in a day. Then unnecessary chats, hello, good morning, how are you? Just try to understand if there is a workshop for computer programming. There are two 72 remote centers. If somebody, one person will say hello, how many chats will be there? If there is a question, it is very difficult to identify by the teacher that there is a question in between that. Then poor video framing, camera placement. We can see that the camera is behind in the classroom, sometimes in front of the classroom. So, I have mentioned the ideal position where you have to keep the camera and the whole classroom must be so that as we are monitoring that, whenever you will be selected, on that time camera man should focus that person and move camera here and there. Then poor lighting. Sometimes we can't realize, can't observe that what's going on there. Then poor audio quality, sometimes echo, sometimes low gain, and the quality of is not good. Then if somebody called to IIT Bombay, suppose as I discussed earlier that if there is a problem from IIT Bombay, all will get the same problem. Somebody called me that this is the problem in my center. I say that please follow the guidelines file. We have mentioned everything. No, sir, we followed that, but that particular problem from IIT Bombay, everything we have done according to your instructions, but the problem is from IIT Bombay. So, unnecessary arguments and blame to IIT Bombay that this problem from IIT Bombay. Because they don't know, the technical staff says that we do not have any guidelines file. RCC-coordinated did not provide that file to me. Then unnecessary arguments to increase the star rating. We award the star rating as per the guidelines. Suddenly you fail to submit the bill on time and say that the charted accounted was on leave. And you say please increase that. How it is possible? 30 days means 30 days. Suppose I am a student, I am not feeling well and due to that I could not attend the examination. I will not say to the examiner that please pass me. So, let us see the individual star rating and then a view looks and statistics of remote centers. So, I think all are aware that this is the page from where you can take your star ratings. So, these are the star ratings. If you want to see your individual category, individual stars, then you should follow the workshop and then select the workshop. Then at the top you can see and star rating for this workshop. So, we have mentioned the criteria again here and four categories and your star rating. So, there is a note here. If your RC or zero star in audio video from RC or workshop feedback category, star will not be counted for final star rating despite you and stars in other category. But this time there are lots of centers who want zero star. So, we have not included this, but as the participant's feedback and the workshop audio video is very crucial part for this distance work activity. So, if they will do the testing properly and they will settle the fund, that is not up to the level that they have done their best. So, therefore, we have introduced this note. So, from computer programming onwards, we have developed a program to fetch low files from the AVU server. And it generates your statistics, AVU connection, disconnection, late login, at what time you have logged in, at what time you have logged out. Everything is there. So, as you can see in cybersecurity, 10th July, there are multiple options here. Login logout for all centers, then continuous login, ISCA continuous login center, frequently login logout, late login, absent, who was the absentee, then RC screenshot. So, when you click on the screenshot, you will get the thumbnail view of all the screenshots, which we have taken on that day. And when you select, suppose I select 18th June for computer programming work. So, when I click this, this page. So, as per the remote center, you will get your statistics. So, just for center, per percent. First login was at 36. Logout, we have not, because when we shut down that AV system in the teacher's end, they have not logged out. And then number of disconnections. So, everything is here. And when you select a center, suppose I am going to select Amal Jyothi College. He is our five-star centers every time. So, when I click this center, so you can see continuous login, continuous login, continuous login. There is no late login. There is no disconnection. And when you select, when you click on the screenshot on particular date, you will get only that screenshot. So, on that day, there was no screenshots. So, you are unable to see this. So, only three times disconnection and four-three workshops. So, if we select another center, more details in the disconnection, if you collect on the disconnected ten times, when you click on that, you will get the individual statistics of times. So, first disconnection was, so you can see this time. So, I randomly selecting a center. So, you can see every time disconnection, disconnection, absent. The center was not present in that computer network workshop. Then disconnection, disconnection. There is no continuity. And when you select the screenshot, you will get the screenshot of that center. So, fully automated system we have. So, just try to follow the guidelines. Come to the discussion part if you have any questions, please raise. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir, for such a nice demo. I have one query regarding that you shown that the exact position of the camera just side of projector. I have one query regarding that when I stand my camera just beside to the projector, that projector light is get reflected on this camera lens. But if at the top level then are you using the tripod or not? Project. Near to the projector screen. Projector screen. So, it will not affect that, sir. In most cases, 60% center improved that quality. So, if the projector is not hanging on the top wall, then it could be problem because they have kept this on the table or like that. Because in my seminar hall, the projector is mounted on that roof. So, I am facing that problem. So, do I change the position of camera? Maybe the distance of the projector was maybe the reason for that. But try to close to the projector. Try to place that close to the projector. Because in the previous workshops, if somebody interact with the teacher, there will be eye contact. If you keep that project, the camera there, there will be eye contact. If you keep the camera left-hand side and right-side, right-hand side, the participant will look on the screen. Correct. So, there will be no eye contact to the teacher with teacher. So, sir, most of the time what happened that? Because the screens are mounted on the wall and when I took my camera on just beside to that wall, it is very difficult for my technical team to go there and move the camera. No, I am not saying exactly you have to keep there. No, I am just... Some distance that cameraman can operate there. Okay. But in that area, you should keep the camera there. Okay. If there is another facility in the camera, if there is a front light, there is a button inside the camera, you can on that. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Sir, actually whenever we place the camera as per the view guideline, that entire view of the room is showing in the view monitor tools. So, whenever in the next day, we log out in the session and again log in, but partial room is showing. But again, I have called in the eStudio team, but whenever the computer networking workshop comes to me, I am taking the question, the automatic view is again focusing the entire room. But all of a sudden, it is changing to the partial room. Personal focus is showing on, but sometimes it is showing the entire room focus. Sometimes it is showing the partial room focus. No, there is not. If you will not be selected, then please do not move the camera here and the whole classroom must be visible. Sir, I called. Yes, I have suffered the problem in our center. I called in the eStudio team, and I have taken the help from the chair regarding and whenever the question and the session is going on, the entire view is showing. But in the next day, when you log out and again log in, but partial focus is showing. I have meant, so there is an advanced setting in that. If your camera is producing SD quality video. So SD means, in SD, there is a wide screen for 16 ratio 9. But you are taking composite signal output. And the left part of right part, you will not get in that frame because there is only four ratio 3 for the composite video signal. So just change the setting in the camera as well as in a view. There is a facility to select the resolution. Thank you, sir. Thank you. One more thing I can add before connecting to your view is just because screen camera means what happens, you have to just maximize the view there. Then you close and then just... No, no, it was earlier. There is no need to start the screen camera in this version. Earlier it was there. No, it is not there. No. It was a problem earlier. You have to maximize it. Sir, regarding the video capture card, you say either you cast or pinnacle. Both are not available locally. And you say equivalent. Then we find there are the capture cards from $10 to $120. So if you can suggest few more models in addition to pinnacle or... Please send me a mail. I will try to... Yesterday we were testing with Kharagpur. We had the same problem. Your RCID is... 1303. I also have questions regarding the video capture card. We actually inquired where we could get this Osprey branded card. And one of the parties is available in Pune. But same brand is not available at our local place at Indore. So it was actually not possible for us to buy it from Pune. And therefore we are still facing problem. I actually had some email exchanges with you in this regard. So if you could suggest some other brands also, it will be nice. So if you need a brand name or model number, please mail me so that I will reply according to that. You mail us what brands are available at your end. You mail us those names. We will select... We will tell you. I think in IIT, we routinely procure things on Flipkart or any such thing. And we get it reimbursed. We have to follow that tender process every time. How much is the cost of a video capture card? 4,000 to 15,000. So about 12 to 14,000 rupees. Now please understand one thing. You have lakhs of rupees of equipment and we are spending lakhs of rupees on that workshop. For the sake of a 14,000 card, if the quality of the entire workshop is going to suffer, then please raise it to the head of the institution and say that President Farrakh has offered the following. If within the next 10 days you don't permit me to obtain, President Farrakh will give a donation of 14,000 rupees to your college. And I will also send a news item that the college required a donation from an alumnus to procure a 14,000 card. I mean this is something, this problem will have to be resolved. Such problems will have to be resolved locally. For such small... You see, please understand this. For a small component, we are holding the quality of the entire workshop at ransom. Sir, actually I had requested Sajjan to get it procured from IIT Bombay and deduct it from our fund. No, IIT Bombay will not product. IIT Bombay cannot become the procurement agent for 272 remote centres. That is not possible. That is not possible. You have to solve this problem. But if you don't solve it, let me know. I will solve it in a very peculiar way. But it will reflect very badly on the institution. Now go back and raise this. I think you have not raised it to the extent that it needs to be raised. What may happen is, suppose I am your head of the institution, I may consider this only as a procurement problem. And I will say if it is a procurement problem, then do as per procurement. But if you raise it in the proper context, that a workshop with 40 participants with two weeks of interaction is entirely getting spoiled because of the small unit. I am sure your head of the institution will come up with some solution. Do you agree that if we raise it with that level, it should be possible to do that? So do it anyway. Can you send them a list of all capture cards which were and possibly the names, addresses and contact numbers of vendors. It is quite possible that if you write to a vendor and you are willing to pay another 1000 rupees, they will dispatch that to Indore. That means I am not willing to accept that something did not happen. If I want something desperately, there is nothing on this earth that can prevent that thing from happening. I have one suggestion. If people are purchasing this osprey card, the size of the osprey card is slightly bigger if you want to make use of that osprey card with the recently purchased i7 systems. Those are much smaller in size and the one which is purchased from, blindly purchased from the market, it doesn't fit into your... As per the motherboard, you have to... Yes, you have to purchase it as per the motherboard. That has to be... Your instruction should improve that. By the way, the upgrade is happening. So I think there is a one card osprey number 100E. It will fit in all the motherboards. It is the lowest model of this osprey card and you will get it within 12,000 rupees and it satisfies our requirement. There is one more suggestion. Since we are likely to provide funding which will include the purchase of an upgraded AVU machine. And since the professor has already mentioned that we should use the upgraded AVU machine, you may want to combine the procurement of that AVU machine with that capture card itself. So that the supplier of the PC will procure it and supply it to you. I think that might be a better idea for the next machine. Another solution is already purchased also... We have posted on to the mooder so other one can also contact that supplier. Yeah, okay. That is also a good idea. I can purchase osprey in Bhopal. Again, give the supplier... Also Bhopal is much nearer than Indore. Yeah. I mean then Pune. Okay. Yes. You might want to send somebody with a card to them as a gift. I will pay the bill. But this is a problem and please don't hesitate. Suppose you say that, oh, I have purchased that large card. It does not fit now in ISF and does not matter. Use it with some other machine for some other purpose but procure the card for the model that you use. I tell you, audio and video quality is the crux of this workshop. Everything depends upon that quality and if that quality is... One is, of course, internet bandwidth but these settings, for example, line in a microphone with small things, many times the audio does not work because of the wrong connection or wrong setting there. And you know, Aaron, somebody is interacting. We are saying no voice here. First of all, as he said, hello, how are you? Can you hear me? It's the most often question. If I can't hear you, I will tell you, but please speak. Now, you need to tell all the participants upfront. They should directly start asking questions when the control is passed to them. There's no niceties, no nothing required because every second is valuable. You see, for... Otherwise, I will tell you if we follow this protocol very crisply, then instead of interacting with five participants, we can interact with ten participants and that is more important to get views of five more people to get their questions and to answer them is more important. So all these things, and if somebody is holding the mic, somebody is running around and then no audio is visible, the two or three times you try, the whole 10,000 set of people get disturbed in the process. The continuity and spontaneity is lost. So I will tell you this session, according to me, is the most critical technical session of conduct of all workshops. Internet bandwidth, the correct AVU machine, as professor has said, and the correct video card and the correct connections. Daily checklist, as I mentioned. And a daily checklist. Yes. And we have found the time and again the biggest problem is lack of communication locally between the technical team, the coordinator, workshop coordinator and technical. That communication has to be in writing. It cannot be verbal. Now we have the entire documentation here what prevents the remote center from taking a printout to the whole manual and keep that manual there. But before the workshop insist that the technical team has read that man. This is not only for the audio video, by the way. Practically any kind of thing. I've been a database expert and when people complained about database performance, whether it is Oracle or Ingress or whatever, in 90% of the cases the people had not read the Oracle manual, which itself gives the solution of how to solve that. So half our problem in India is people don't read manuals. And additional problem we have is people don't ask them to read manuals. So let us at least ask them to read manuals and do it properly. But this problem, please treat this as a very, very critical problem. It has to be monitored on a daily basis. The second problem is timekeeping. That you have to have your staff open the facility half an hour before. And there is no compromise with this. If somebody does not come half an hour before, then the setting etc. does not happen. We have had instances where the workshop has started and some centre is still logging in. Now this is not happening because of equipment. This is happening because some people did not reach in time. Please understand that if we have to wait because three centres have not logged in, then for the sake of those three centres all other people are waiting unnecessarily and wasting their time. So this timing has to be followed and this again will depend upon the instructions and disciplines. This is a more sophisticated way of making IIT Bombay the procurement agency for all the... I like the nice wording but it is not possible for us to do that. Not like that when we purchase, when we wrote the quotations, they say only two, three will not supply it. With all requirements I have flowed the quotations as per your guidelines. The party is saying we will not supply two or three for you. That is the problem. For three times we received nil quotations. This for which, this particular this video capture card you have done. All whatever you have given the guidelines. Audio, video, all purchase. Nobody refused to give one item. Nobody, nobody gives. No, they refuse to give one item. They don't give. They have not tried whatever we have mentioned I think. No, no, they have tried he has given quotations. He has received null quotations. NIT, 1128. They have floated a quotation. How many of you have this problem of procurement? I don't think the procurement problem exists but it will not exist at all 272 places. No, when we want to purchase, complete PC, then there is a problem. I think you have tried to call to the vendor who is not supplying that item. No, no, that is open tender, open quotation. No, open tender. No, no, there could be procurement. I can understand that there could be procurement problems. We will, so what, instead of what you are saying is asking for a composite PC with everything is not possible. That's okay. So you procure a PC with the correct appropriate thing and you have to fit in the other video capture card by procuring it independently. There is no choice. Now, if there is a problem in procuring that video card, that problem will have to be resolved. That's all I am saying. That problem is the same, sir. We have floated a tender but nobody is responding. Which place is this? In Ponderpur. In Ponderpur, you are unable to get As per this new requirements, we have floated tender but nobody is responding to this. No, sir, you will have to procure things separately then. You can't purchase a composite single tender. That is it. Because if you are trying to purchase a cap Anasonic or Sony, they will not provide the Osprey card and the audio mixer. Even here in IIT Bombay, we do not procure the entire thing through a single tender. We procure cameras separately. We procure PCs separately. We procure cards separately. We procure audio equipment separately. The problem with audio equipment that has been purchased, we have said audio amplifier with these features. Now we are all technical people. The difference is when I use an audio amplifier which is used in Shadi Bia kind of thing that is the kind of thing that creates a problem. A run of the mill audio amplifier which works normally for entertainment and such places will not work here. So we have to be careful in the equipment that we procure. That's all. Actually, ma'am told that Osprey handed the card. Rahul Khamar said, I think so, a person. He said, Teder because why she asking the question is that particular product is only they are supplying to EBR, Amazon any online purchase. Only they are given zip code. It's a supplier only. In India, there is some 2 or 3 persons only available for this kind of video capture card like that. Osprey are PENACL and everything. Last program, in the control system testing purpose, we are purchasing in our center. We are molded that. We are setting the Osprey 100E. But we are getting some problem in that. What is the problem is, sometimes the video may be continuous. That is the problem with the settings. If you do the settings properly, when you press the start button, the settings are for the color encoding scheme. Your camera is giving a feed to the card if you have installed as a setting NTSC. Just change according to the camera feed. Okay, sir. Actually, this kind of fact, the information will be given in that way. I think so. This setting information about NTSC and PAL, you might want to add in your manual itself. That's a good point. I think even the introduction to my technical team, the people are arguing me. Sir, you cannot give me that point because please that is maybe another thing, if possible this kind of technical explanation, maybe you are getting a video and everything. You can put in your site and the things. You can show the technical people if possible. If any chorises maybe they are asking to me. In fact, I will go one step forward. This idea of making a video is a good point. Sajjan had already mentioned it to me. We will institutionalize it. What we will say is, we will take this equipment, peaceful equipment as if it has come fresh and we are setting it up. And we should somebody should direct a film for say half an hour or so on how to set up this equipment, take the screen shots, what settings are to be done, camera placement what happens if you place it here, what happens if you face it there. This kind of half an hour video you make, training video. The second suggestion I have is we have this workshop but there is no reason why we should interact only during this workshop. And only for technical matters. Because we decide to have a workshop. No cost, no budget, no nothing. But a workshop for technical people alone. Will that make sense? It could be just a half day workshop for the technical people to interact with the technical teams. Then they could ask questions, they could answer questions. I mentioned that only. So apart from a video we would also try to organize very quickly possible sometime during December. And we could assign two different alternate slots where we could conduct the repeat of the workshop. One day some, I mean if the common time is not suitable. So what day is most convenient for such technical people for a workshop like this? Saturday. So Saturday morning, some Saturday morning. So no, no, no no problem. I will tell you since we conduct the workshop from our end requires a small team. Both from Karakpur and Mumbai. I would suggest that for our teams it should be a day long event. We will conduct one workshop in the morning and one same workshop in the afternoon. Sir, it is related to the screenshots. In our room when we are going to conduct, there is three different columns available. When I am keeping the camera it is able to focus only two rows of screenshots. It is unable to cover whole classroom. But when you are taking the screenshot you are taking the screenshot only for those persons. Those sitting behind that camera you are unable to take the screenshot. But when we are settling the accounts we are saying that you have to settle the accounts as per the screenshot. How come it is possible? So before the workshop starts we had said many times please place the camera properly so that it is unable to capture all those rows. It is able to capture only these two columns. It is not possible to keep the camera in front of the audience. Just keep the camera in the ideal position so that we can see whole classroom. If you are kept here if you are keeping here also no communication. My question is if you are keeping it here also you are able to cover only up to this if it is a problem. You can see this camera can cover whole classroom. No, it is unable to cover that one. This kind of facility you do not have I think. It is my request. For this purpose I will show you a screenshot. So we started this screenshot on 18th June. And we continuously observed these reward centers one hour and we called to the center coordinator as well as the workshop coordinator. Please focus the camera thoroughly so your participants but they were unable to produce that. Just you can observe these centers. Let me intervene here because the matter is raised in the context of attendance and certificate. First of all please reflect back on what I said in the morning. Why was it at all required for me to put a team of people to monitor the screenshots? Should it have been necessary at all? Why was it necessary? That is because we got certified attendance from remote centers where we knew that those people were not attending. Please understand that this entire problem is caused because of non-compliance of basic ethical recording that is expected from remote center. If every remote center does it, see please understand we are wasting our time to monitor those. That is not our job. Our job is to interact with the participants. Our job is to discuss technical things. Our job is not to monitor attendance. We are not like primary school teachers recording attendance or something but because of consistent problems that we face in proper attendance capture we had to resort to this. Our objective behind this monitoring was only to ensure that if there is some serious problem in some remote center which they are unable to communicate, we are able to observe that and we are able to intervene. But instead we are forced to take the screenshots as the only proof of attendance because otherwise the normal proof of attendance is not coming properly and in a trustworthy fact. You solve that problem, this problem is not required. We don't want to do this. There is an added burden on us. An added burden on our team. An added burden on the storage. We are just storing the screenshots for no purpose whatsoever. I mean you are saying that this happened. Did you try to follow the did you try to do the following those centers which had this genuine cover? You could write to me saying that look I have certified these attendance. I guarantee that every person who has signed has attended on all these days is my guarantee. I will accept it. But if you have proven wrong I will complain about your remote center to AICT. Is that acceptable? We are not getting into legal battles here with each other. We are cooperating partners in this venture. Only when the partnership is not executed in the trustworthy fashion the problems arrive. But let me tell you for the sake of 20 percent, 30 percent remote centers all 100 percent remote centers are required now to do an extra work and we are required to do an extra work. We would like to avoid doing that. We would like to avoid doing that. But we will continue doing that. There is a special session after lunch with about 94 remote centers where I will have a 15 minute talk with them. Of these 90 all these 93 remote centers have had problems slightly more than others. But in these 93 there are some in which we have very major problems. So I will be talking to them separately. We as I will repeat again we do not want to do this. We are not interested in doing this. It is an extra burden for us. But we are forced to do this and we will continue to do this till alternate mechanisms are available in a guaranteed fashion. At least till next summer we will continue doing this and we will be continued to base our judgment partly at least on the screens. Thank you sir. Sir, it is all the parts that are registered freely. All the parts which are registered are not really interested in the work. That is perfectly fine. No, no, no. I have no problems. I have no problems but then those people should also be willing to accept it. If we make it cost they will have to pay for the registration with a nominal amount. Then they will have to pay for the work. These are all related problems. We are just discussing a view related screens or things. So we will continue this discussion. No, no, we will continue this discussion after the lunch time. Sir, actually I feel I feel I feel I feel I should please tell me first what should I take in or go ahead? Okay. So if your machine is slow then you can say otherwise my point of view I think... One second, when we had written that specification that was I3. I think now we should upgrade that to 255. Can remote center coordinator can analyse the participant submit on time. Can it be possible? How we can do that? How we can judge? How a remote coordinator can judge? That role is assigned actually to the workshop coordinator who is included and groomed along with those participants of that remote center on the Moodle. But what if you wish we can also include RC coordinator as a registered person as a what you call non-editing teacher. Incidentally we may be moving away from Moodle or in addition to Moodle we may be using Swayam platform for workshops in summer. So I will talk about it briefly later in the thing but currently on the Moodle there is absolutely no problem we could include RC coordinator as non-editing teachers. I have a suggestion to actually not to IIT but for all our remote center can we form a cluster of the remote centers. Those who are near remote center that is 12 or 15 remote center form a cluster and if possible they try to solve the issues within themselves because one remote center may have a solution for the other remote centers. Light for procurement just know that madam is talking about that it is available in Pune. So I am ready I'm from Pune I'm ready to give the help to her then I can procure it and send it to her. So that kind of thing is possible if we solve the problem ourselves in that particular cluster then that will be helpful and the burden at IIT we may also reduce. So is it possible then we can form the cluster nearby centers like for example Pune, Pune, Pundarpur, Solapur we have a 15 centers are there. We can form the cluster and we can have a dialogue with each other. If that works then automatically I thought that procurement problem if you procure 15 in a bulk then again it will also solve the problem. If it is it has to be coordinated centrally so that's why I am requesting IIT be if they can a little bit coordinate all those things then that will be helpful. Thank you sir, thank you sir. Hello sir, can we have a view application for Ubuntu or Linux version? So, Abrita University developed a web version. Okay, I have already communicated with you regarding same because XP is not at most supporting right now we are going to be upgrade for the Windows 7 and Windows 7 is a view right now. No no it is compatible. No sir, when I tried to do it it is not possible for me. Version 1.5 was not comfortable with Windows 7. Now we have been using 3.7 version. So they developed a web version. This is under testing process then when we use that then we will give that link to you. Yes. It is regarding the new version of a view. Two days back it happened like a way we installed for the testing. We installed it two days back for the testing with the IIT Gadokbo. So it was restarting again and again like in between it was getting restarting. That is the problem with the system. Just take your virtual memory settings. The page is high. I think you should take your system. There is a virus outside the machine. No no it is a new system. It was stable. There was no other issues. Have you tried it on another system? I know we have not tried. Just try it. Try it on another system. If it is installing there properly and it is not installing on this system then might be the problem with the system also. Because it was a new system, totally new system. Sometimes it happens. New systems also give problems. Try to install. Sir I am telling something regarding the attendance. We are facing some practical problems regarding attendance. It is true that all the participants are not always available or something like that but there is some issues in the college where it is not is ethical ground. I know but I have forced to do that. For example I just the control system workshop. It is going to happen starting from second December and our semester exam also be same time starting from the same and now there is a lots of stitches are registered. They are interested. Now problem is that if these total said somehow 51 are registered in the control system and there is confirmed. If this lot of said are totally absent for the invigilation duty so how we run the examination. So if that's why before registration process I also talking to the IIT Kodakpur team that it is overlapping with our the university WBUT with the course. So they will saying that they will change to means date so we can arrange it. It is also the question is raised by our workshop coordinator during the workshop coordinator. So now problem is that now if it is required that all the participant is totally present during the total day of workshop. So our semester exam will be completely stopped. Semester examination must take precedence. I must clarify that this is a completely non-technical question has nothing to do with AVU but it's an important question. We'll take this up later during the discussion session. There has been a suggestion as I mentioned very briefly that we should decide on the dates of the workshop well in advance keeping in mind the individual requirement. Now unfortunately these our 300 remote centers are spread all across the country and unfortunately the timetable of exams and the schedule of the lectures is not uniform across the country. So this problem will always be faced by some centers or the other. The best bet is for those teachers not to participate in that workshop. No sir that's why it will be going down to four or five participants. That is okay that that that is an exceptional situation. You write to us that in our center this time because of this overlap there may be only four or five participants available. In future we'll try to combine these participants with the other remote centers so that a remote center runs with a viable number of things but for the time being we'll take a call I will talk to my colleagues from Karakpur and we'll say whether as an exceptional thing can we permit conduct of this workshop even with five participants or ten participants we have done that in the past but one thing is sure they have obviously a priority to handle the examination duty but they cannot do both. So that is perfectly fine ask such people to deregister who have examination duty. Sir actually another problem is that when examine it not going for example suppose it is computer programming workshop is there running where I am also facing the same problem. Now the programming field is related to all the departments so all the departmental faculties are very much eager to participate in the workshop and it is very useful for that and to say they registered and now if there is a two-week workshop if these two weeks all the faculties of my college are attended in the workshop practically the college will be stopped means no classes will be there no lab is be there and our college is a private engineering college students are giving huge amount of fees so they clearly go in the principal and train two weeks we have been not any classes. So how we face this problem and also sir one point is that that in the private engineering college each of the department have not very a large set of teachers for example in my college then CAC and IT department I am from CAC department from CAC and IT department combinedly 10 or 12 faculties. So when you organize a programming or networking workshop almost even in the 10 and 12 faculties almost 10 are going to the participate I am the remote center coordinator one may be because the programming and networking expertizer from workshop coordinator obviously from department so actually these 10 to 12 faculties class are totally off I have understood all that you have said after listening to the riot act which you just read the best solution is to remove yourself as a remote center of the workshops is the best way no it is not necessary for your your college to become a remote center or remain a remote center you see the problems that you are mentioning are faced to varying extent by different people we are trying to ensure that the workshops are not conducted when the regular semester is on and therefore no teaching should suffer obviously teaching learning is our primary duty for all of us so that is the precaution we are taking as I said because of the differences in the timetabling across the country we could face this problem but if this is a generic problem believe me and I am not saying it sarcastically it is proper for you to say that look because of these peculiar circumstances we are unable to participate in the remote center that's only I actually try to that's okay that's okay we but you see it is not necessary we have 5000 engineering colleges every college need not be a remote center it is not necessary but if I am a remote center then I am expected to do certain thing if I am unable to do them perpetually then the problem is in the system it is not problem with an individual coordinator or anyone and these problems cannot be sorted out by IIT Bombay IIT Kharagpur anyone because we have to ensure the maximum good the largest number of people should be able to participate in country that is the objective it is not possible to pay or solve problems at every institution which are peculiar I can understand this examination problem but the examination problem will try to avoid to the extent possible by announcing the dates even earlier there was one suggestion made although this is a topic that we should take up during the discussion but I'll mention it because it was indicated that suppose we start the registration for the main workshop even before conducting the coordinators workshop except we say that in case the number of registrations are not adequate at a remote center the participants who are registered at that remote center may be shifted to the neighboring remote center and then we take a view of how many remote centers we should actually run the workshop in after having a good idea about the total registration spread okay yeah so that is something that we can do it by the way the whole idea that I had behind setting up 400 or 500 remote centers is to ensure that at any one point in time for any one workshop only 200 or 250 remote centers need to participate all 400 500 need not participate it's not expected I may for example for a particular subject I may not have an expert faculty in that remote center at all so there cannot be any workshop coordinator we don't want a workshop coordinator to be nominated for the namesake so it is quite possible that for different subjects different remote centers will participate that is perfectly fine your login time and logout time it is recorded in that server so please try to log in before the session every time and if session starts nine o'clock at 31 word you should try to correct the agu server and second is as I mentioned in the guidelines file every time you should follow the steps of daily checklists and this part for the participating teachers you should print on a paper and distribute every time to the participants thank you so much