 Okay. Well, hi everyone. My name is Eric and I'm here with my friend David Hofmeister. And we are, yeah, we're very inspired to talk about Jesus and the mystical teachings of Jesus. And yeah, like it's been really deep for me because I've been following David's teachings for many years now, 15 years I think and studying different pathways, like a course in miracles. But really lately, I've actually been most inspired by the Bible and just looking at what Jesus said in the Bible and realizing that what Jesus said, what he's recorded as having said in the Bible is so profound and so mystical just by itself. And I know you've said this before, David, that if someone just used the Bible to wake up, it really does have everything that you need. It's got all the teachings, you know, forgive, judge not, take no thought for tomorrow, turn the other cheek, like these core principles that are radical. I mean, when people heard that 2000 years ago, they were like, what, you're telling us we should not think about tomorrow and we should just, if someone slaps us on one cheek, we should just give them the, like what are you talking about? How is that practical Jesus? And yet, yeah, I know your teachings have just really, because you've been living it for so long and I've been really practicing it as well, but I think you've kind of proven that it works to actually practice these teachings 100% without compromise. And we just made this whole new platform to offer courses for people that are wanting to dive into that. So maybe we can get into that as well, what the courses are about. But yeah, maybe you could just start off by sharing your thoughts about the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, well, thanks Eric. Yeah, I grew up, I was raised Christian and when I was in a Christian church, a Protestant church, and was confirmed at 18 years old in a Christian church. But for me, it was the new, the gospel, the New Testament, and I call it the red letters, the letters that stood out of Jesus speaking that those teachings were radical 2000 years ago. I think they're just as radical today as they were 2000 years ago. And back then, you know, in Galilee, and, you know, there was different, there was the Jews and the Romans and the, and different factions of the Jewish people that clashed with each other, there was the priest and the Pharisees and the scribes and then you have the people that are more like the outcast or the ones that are plotting against Rome to try to free free the area from Roman influence the zealots. And then you have the ones that are called like the pagans and all kinds of things but but that's similar we have that 2000 years later we have many, many, many factions that are around and it seems like Jesus was emphasizing the present moment. You know, when he said the kingdom of heaven is at hand. The hand is very close even to use that body metaphor. The hand is very close. All of his teachings were talking about what could call it radical forgiveness in the face of pretty much the mentality of the world and I for an eye a tooth for tooth revenge. You know, you did this to me I'm going to get you back. And so these teachings are like from a realm of eternity from the heavenly realms. And I think Jesus was trying to make them practical and introduce them and demonstrate them in action. So of course miracles are really the demonstration of these beautiful teachings of Jesus in action. And that's what we've tried to focus on as well. And I do feel that the experience of mysticism. In general, whether you talk about Eastern mysticism or Western mysticism whether you talk about the different religions, Jewish mysticism or Hindu mysticism or Islamic Muslim mysticism. And Christian mysticism, of course with all the Christian mystics and saints that people are aware of dating back to, you know, St. Francis and and so on and so forth. That actually, I did read a quote from a historian, a Christian historian that was a very striking quote and he basically said, truly, anyone who wants to experience Jesus Christ ends up as a mystic. This was just a general historian through the conclusion that if you actually try to live and follow Jesus and practice teachings of Jesus you end up, you know, as a mystic, which is just one who's very devoted to God. You don't even move in the realms of what might be called Christian nationalism or Christian politics or. Nowadays there's contradiction of terms which Jesus's teachings really were pointing to, to a love not of this world and agape love and unconditional love that is not. It's not actually in the realm of of politics and culture and norms and beliefs and and institutions. It's actually a direct connection to the living Christ spirit or to the living God. And we've used the term for years living church ministries and living miracles, because it reflects our, our deep felt belief and experience that these teachings are to be lived, not just studied, or not just perpetuated in terms of theologies but actually it culminates in a living experience and that's that's what I loved about Jesus is that it's the presence of Jesus that is really everything and even things like theology and metaphysics those can be stepping stones, I think, to surrendering into a direct letting go, because even with theology and metaphysics. It only takes you so far and then you have to go beyond the words you have to go into a deeper prayer prayer of the heart that all the Christian mystics and saints were mostly into the direct experience of going into God and letting go up of the concepts and all the structures of this world. Yeah. Yeah, and it's very, I mean, as I've been practicing for many years and even recently I've been going through a lot of, I feel like expansion and just like almost like a dismantling of who I thought I was. And, you know, I think that's, that's just a major component of the spiritual journey where it's about undoing the self concept as you've said and, you know, even in the Bible Jesus talks about how, you know, there will be lots of weeping and bashing of teeth, you know, when you when you when you're going through it or your and you don't actually remember that you just need to forgive then it's difficult and I know even in the last week I've been going through a lot of healing and and then crying and things and I don't know if everybody realizes just how like how intense the spiritual journey can feel, although I also feel there's a way in which it can be very gentle when we just stay very open and childlike and keep coming back to I don't need to know, like he said, unless you become like a little child, you won't enter the kingdom, which is which is here and now meaning enter the kingdom now, like be at peace now so yeah maybe you could say a few words about that just the importance of being clueless and really not thinking we you know anything. Yeah. Yeah, I think that reminds me of like just a willingness to go beyond time, or I could even say before time because most people will say what before time wait I'm used to remember Michael J. Fox and back to the future and what this is back to the back to the I am back to the I am before time was, but yeah the teachings of Jesus were before Abraham was I am. It was teaching us at the presence of God and the presence of Christ and the eternal love is prior to our belief in time. It will not be found inside of time it's you have to kind of let go of everything to to be taken into that pristine experience that is prior to error, prior to sin, prior to time and space. There's nothing really in in time really prepares us for that letting go. And like you're saying when you start to go in that direction will say towards the light. It's emotionally disruptive. It feels like at times, you can't function. It's so dysfunctional, almost like the to go toward the light is to move through the clouds of feeling completely dysfunctional, completely out of control completely almost like taken taken in the tractor beam. As, as your fingertips, try to grasp on to a few more branches and scraps, you know, in futility, and you're just lifted into these deep experiences. But I think we're pretty clear that for all of us we've had to go through like realms of realms of darkness. It's very descriptive. It's sometimes in the Bible, of all the things you have to go through. And I do feel like when I meet Course of Miracle students, you know, sometimes there's a little bit of a feeling of they say, Well, the course is far superior to the Bible. I don't see that superior inferior thing I think I look back at all the Christian mystics and saints and there's a lot of them. If you look back at the history of the last 2000 years. In all the mystics and saints, they didn't have a course of miracles as part of their path. They still had prayer as part of their path. They still had devotion and rituals. They still reclined and recluse pulled themselves away from the participating in the politics and the wars and the struggle of the human condition. And finally to find, I think, when they meditated and prayed and went into their mind, they found even a deeper darkness than what they were perceiving in the world, almost like a giant wall of darkness that was like, I thought I would withdraw there from the perceptual world and just live for the day and happy, happy, happy. And there was such a wall of dependency, a wall of competition, a wall of anxiety, fear, neurosis, psychosis. There was like a giant granite wall of darkness. And that's I think what what we have to pass through, because that's what's been unconscious it's all been pushed out of awareness and when we say, God, I'm going to run to you like the song run into the light. Then ego says, Oh yeah, let's see if you can run if you're crippled if you're paralyzed and if you've got chuckles on you, then let's just see how fast you run to the light. The ego is like saying, I'm in here in the unconscious and you're not aware of the depth of the darkness so you can, you can say you're going to run to the light but emotionally I think we find out that we, we have to move through the darkness before we we fully come into the light. Yeah, yeah. And that's where a lot of like having witnesses like people around us who can kind of remind us that everything's going right and not going wrong when the darkness seems to come up. Like it's okay like I've been talking to my friend Lisa recently a lot and just crying and you know she just reminds me that it's this is what it's for it's it's okay if there's times when I feel dysfunctional. It's okay when there's emotions coming up. It's, it's all about this is what it's for it's and and I'm not it's not like I have to do it myself. In fact, it seems more like the journey is is letting just trusting in the Holy Spirit trusting in Jesus and trusting in and those devoted brothers and sisters who kind of come into our lives to help remind us so that we can be kind of pulled through those clouds of darkness. You know, gently and and all we have to do is really kind of relax like that. Like that waterslide metaphor that you use a lot just take your fingers out of the just let yourself go for the ride and even if it feels a little turbulent sometimes they're scary. It's, it's safe actually, we're just opening up or awakening. Yeah, that's it. It's, it's actually we call it pray listen follow where you just get activated from within. And then you feel that activation and then you feel the sparks of nudges of prompts maybe at the beginning, you don't hear a voice but at the beginning you feel feelings maybe feelings calling you in a certain direction or calling you to do something and and you do it and you feel this whoosh of energy and this huge expansion of activation. And then it's more like whoa, what was that I just felt that I was drawn to that I went into that and then whoosh. And many of us had had those experiences, and they're not always tied to a book or to a scripture. They're tied to relationships, they're tied to travels they're tied to sometimes meeting a person, and maybe you're in a cafe having a cup of coffee or tea and this is this expansive connection. You're unprepared for it. You know it's, it's it doesn't fit into the boxes, you know, I just was coming for a cup of tea in a cafe and then wham. And this huge love like feeling like wow I was supposed to meet you or was destined that I talked to you. And I've had a lot of that in my travels where people have invited me into their homes or. Oh you're driving by I see on the internet you're driving by my town. So you stop and have lunch with me. And then we have this huge holy encounter over lunch, like life changing holy encounter, all from just following an inner prompt somebody calling me texting me on myself so when I'm driving through the town. So I think, you know, both you and I have come to start to feel a much more fuller appreciation that that that truly the authentic spiritual path is is not it can't be just pegged or classified in some way and certainly both of us have have come through a journey that involves the intellect. Both of us were were initially drawn in intuitively drawn to some of the ideas that were resonating with us. But I think now it's come to a point where we will agree that that that that is just one pathway, and that is because our ego structures were into that that that's why. And then I remember one time I was talking to somebody from South America, and I think they said oh there's a cursa demilagros group in a coffee farm in rural Columbia that's outside of college you know it's just a coffee farm in the rural areas. There's a cursa demilagros course of miracles group there, mostly women and they meet at this, this horse wrench. And I said okay good good and they said well the funny thing was, they, they've been studying the course but there's a man there that was born on the ranch, and he's worked as a hand on the ranch. And he's pure joy, pure innocence, pure happiness, and he's always blissful, and they absolutely adored being around this man but he never really had gone into the cities he just spent his whole life on a horse ranch. And I said, that's wonderful and then the facilitator the course group said well we're divided in the course group, whether we should even introduce the course of miracles to this man, because he's already such a demonstration of joy, love and innocence that, and he's never even been to cities in his whole life you know he's just like a nature boy that's with the horses and, and flying with the horses, you know, in a beautiful state of mind like the horse whisper. And so I had to just laugh and laugh and laugh and I thought, well that just shows you the human condition when when a course group has to a divided reaction, whether to even introduce the course to a man who's in such bliss. Because as the course says, this is just one form of the universal curriculum and there are many others. So it's, it's clearly not positioning itself in any kind of special place as a special scripture or anything. And it's kind of interesting that in the course it does say that ego enjoys studying itself so that should be a hint. Like, I think Jesus put that in there like watch out. The ego might try to turn this into a lifelong book pursuit. And I think the other thing that's beautiful too is, is Helen Shuckman who was the scribe of the course, you know was quoted as saying, I know it's true I just don't believe it. And also, she said, at one point she kind of was exasperated and she just kind of learned it out. Finally, a pathway to God for intellectuals. So we can take from those little bits and pieces that this is just for some people who maybe identify themselves as intellectuals. It answers a lot of like ontological and metaphysical questions that perhaps were blocks to going in a deeper way. And that's mainly its only value. You could just take the simple teachings of Jesus in the Bible and practice them and transfer the training in a very simple way and end up more like that, that horse rancher in Columbia with no degrees, no business sense, no handling of logistics. I don't think this guy even had any relationship issues either. I mean, he just, he just blissed out on the horse ranch, and then he probably enjoyed seeing these ladies come and study this book which he knew nothing out. It probably wasn't even curious about the book they were reading or talking about, because for him there is an example there was no need. Good, good. Happy to see you having a good time. Love you all hugs and kisses, and I'm getting back to my horses, you know, because it just puts everything in a much different light, a much different perspective. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so beautiful. Yeah, that's kind of like what has been touching me so deeply is like it's really about letting go now all the book study of the intellectual, you know, trying to which who's right who's wrong, theologically all these debates and just come back into the present moment come into the mystical moment that is before time was, like you said, and like Jesus says, I am before Abraham was, I am. That's, yeah, that's the whole thing now and I know tomorrow night we're going to have another live session actually with with all the interns that volunteers at La Casa de Milagros are our center here in Mexico because because we've been joining for weeks and months on developing these this whole new platform, Jesus, a gospel of love online. And yeah, the community factor to I think is so like I was saying earlier, like when I'm going through intense emotions, it seems like it's so necessary to have have, you know, what we could call mighty companions or or just other devoted friends on the path who can witness to us. And so that's, that's been, you know, we created a whole thing called tribe and it's now we now it's called a whole tribe of Christ, this online community where anyone can join in. And it's all people that are really devoted to these teachings and going into mysticism and yeah, I just think it's so beautiful now that it's been helpful for me to open up to how can I use these teachings to share them and then and then as I'm building the courses and going through my own emotions, I get to practice what I'm putting into these courses and into this online community and it just feels like it's all this kind of orchestration that Jesus is is using to help whoever is ready to start going deeper into this experience. You know, yeah, I totally relate to that I actually to some weeks ago and first came out I did go to the movie theater was slava. The purpose was to see this movie Jesus Revolution. And, and we went and it was very, very expansive experience of the period of time in the United States from like 1968 till most of till the early 70s and then I think it was officially told like around 1972, but four years of inclusive, practical Christianity through many, many people people that were conservatives people were the hippies started off kind of in Northern California in Southern California. And, and it was so touching I, I just had such a beautiful experience with this film, you know, it's start Jonathan Rumi from the chosen who plays Jesus and Kelsey grammar who was famous for Frazier. So touched I didn't. I didn't really know all about these characters that were there at the beginning of this revolution, you know, Pastor Chuck, and Lonnie Frisbee, and, and the cast of characters Kathy who came into a relationship with with Greg Lori and so it was an amazing thing and then over the last few weeks I've just trickled. I watched a few videos of the, of the people of the Lonnie Frisbee's and, and Pastor Chuck and, and, and then I saw actors and actresses who played in the movie talking about their experiences. While I was watching some of these videos to in in February. Before I came down to Mexico. You know how YouTube gives you other recommendations and suggestions once I started watching it. It started to fill up with a lot of backstories and things which are rich. I was just like, Oh, I was like going through doors and doors of this activation of the Jesus Revolution I was feeling it. I was feeling it in my mind I was thinking, that's what I'm feeling now and, and the funny thing was one time I, I put a video on, and it was, it was one of our videos I think a part of our new program. And I was just laying down in my bed up there when I was in Utah, and I was laying there at the end of the video it automatically clicked into another video Jesus started playing another video. I was just laying there and I said, wait a minute, this has been appearing in my mind, and in my dreams, and I've seen this on YouTube and finally I'm just laying there in my bed, and Jesus is playing me and it was this phenomenon that took place in February last month, and there, there was a group of students mostly young people students who came together at this chapel in this small little town in Kentucky, and it was a tiny town called Asbury. And so the people, they started off to have like a Bible study, and then it went on into way past the time into the night and the next day the next day, and it continued on for two weeks people came from all over the United States to go into this auditorium. And people even came from around the world. And then I was listening to one of the actresses who played in the Jesus Revolution and she said, it's like what's happening now at Asbury. It was a very current thing. And it's what we're doing here. We're, we're going to Jesus Christ we're going into the experience of the Christ mind we're going into the direct connection of the Christ. And we're doing it in a way that that says, toss your learnings aside, let your heart lead the way, let it come through your songs, let it come through your actions, let it come through your smile and your sparkly eyes. Let it come through right now and come just as you are right now. Don't come with your resume, don't come with your spiritual resume and theological things and your denominations and things. Even when I'm listening, you know, to like Kim Walker, you know, tear down the walls tear down religion, you know, tell tear down all self righteousness you know you hear these huge inspirational songs and we all can relate to that like, well, that would be good. You know, tear down walls tear down religion tell tear down self righteousness, take away my pride. You know, you can feel the heartfelt call like I want an encounter, a real encounter, I want an experience a real experience. So for me, that's actually what it's all about. I know I was, I was raised Christian and I was grateful for that I was, I had a lot of interactions in churches in the main church I was in in Norwood Ohio, and then as I was confirmed. I got into university, and then I started exploring many things, many philosophies and religions and spiritualities. And then, of course, the miracles came, you know, around 1986 around the summertime when I was out in the Hoya California. Something happened. I think that's the born again experience sometimes that Christians talk about it. It wasn't when I was so much in the Christian church, but after I moved on to university and finished 10 years of university. When I kind of had my born again experience. Then I direct encounter. But I was not. You could say I didn't really remain a course student very long because of three revelatory experiences, mystical experiences, and then traveling like Jesus and the Apostles just trusting in divine providence. I didn't know where I would stay didn't know where the food would come to come from didn't know where the guests money would come from. Take these five and a half six week trips around the United States parts of the states. And then 2003 the world travels. But I kind of got into that experience where where Jesus says take no thought of what you should wear and eat and seek you first the kingdom of heaven and all else will be added unto you. It's all there. It's all there in the New Testament. That was, it's almost like when I went through my activation of joy and inspiration. After my 10 years of university that all of those teachings that I grew up with were activated like somehow it's almost like for a computer analogy they were on my hard drive. I was there but I had never opened the program. But when I did open the program, all those all that background and, and, and helpful teaching of Jesus, just kind of exploded in me. And I took what many would say is a is a mystical journey into mysticism and even most Christians and most Course in Miracle students don't, don't ever kind of take the journey they may be aware of it in a periphery way. Like, those are some strange people or those people went off the deep end or they went off the cliff with it. That's fanatical. People would say I'm still normal, but they went from fanatical but I went off that cliff. I went off the cliff and down the cliff and down the rabbit hole at the bottom of the cliff and it just went deeper and deeper, and it was more wondrous and more wondrous. So I actually got into huge activation with the mystical journey long before a book like even Disappearance of the Universe came out in like, was it 2003 or so. I was long gone before Disappearance of the Universe came out. And I was seeing what Arten and Purse were saying I'm like, Oh, that's old hat. There is nothing new that I read in Disappearance of the Universe. I was gone down the rabbit hole. So, you know, the big issue was, you know, whether Arten and Purse, you know, plagiarize something or rubber peri plagiarize something and I'm like plagiarize this. Just words this is, I'm down like Alice going down through the rabbit hole like I'm way gone past these metaphysics, because I was living in divine providence I was traveling around, and I was being taken into people's homes I was being bed back when I had an appetite decades ago. It was, I was being all these things were happening. You need all you need some money for some gasoline for your car here. I'll go with you and I'll put it give you a free tank of gas. Oh, here's a sack lunch take it when you go I pack you some cookies and some apples and bananas. And, and you know you did the traveling minstrel thing so you got to taste that same feeling of the generosity and love, not based on anything we were doing or anything of the world. It's kind of like I got swept away, swept away in in an experience of of true divine providence like literally took off on my first trip without savings, without a church without support of any physical kind, just out of trust. And then everything that the waves parted the doors opened, and I was like carried like down a water slide. No control whatsoever. So that was, to me what mysticism was that was like, wow, this is, this is amazing this is just carrying me it's doing everything. And I was, I started to really associate it with it's Jesus he's, he's arranging time and space like, like he said in the course, you know when you first read it it sounds kind of far out like john Denver would say far out man. That's cool Jesus is arranging time and space. What. What about jobs. What about families. What about all those traditional things mortgages and all this and this you know this these teachings are far out these are radical then they're radical now. Yeah, for sure. So when I kept on it and on it it just went on and on follow guidance, go here go there. This happens this happens conferences world travels 44 countries 49 states. Round and round and round and round. And then just last year, it was kind of funny because the body of David, in terms of time turned 65. Most of us who live in the United States 65 is an interesting number. What it is when you start to consider retirement 65 is when you apply for social security 65 is when you apply for medic Medicare, you know, it's kind of like your retirement year used to be you, you work hard your whole life you pay into social security you retire at 65 and then you're out to pasture like secretariat you run your races, and you, you know, you do whatever you do in retirement. So when I got to be 65, I'm just still in the mystical state still going strong shining sharing and then people around me were saying, you're 65 and I'm like, am I. They said, yeah, you now, you now can start to get the benefits of retirement and I thought, I think I retired from the world at about 28. It's kind of strange, all these decades go by and people are saying, now you qualify for retirement and I'm like, Oh, I think I did that long ago, I'm pretty sure I retired from the world. When I look at these pastors and ministers and these mystics and saints I think they're so far gone they're long gone. They're long gone really early on and they are looking back or forward either. The thing was, when I got to that age. They said, yeah, we'll, we'll check in and we'll check into a few things and so admin was looking into that. And they said, we're kind of sorry to tell you this, David but you know we don't really know how to say this but you don't, you don't qualify for Medicare. You opted out of Social Security and all those years you were traveling and getting gasoline put into your car and given a donation of food, a banana here, an apple there and stay with me for a few nights. I wasn't staying at the Marriott and Hilton I was staying with people who invited me in from the kindness of their hearts. They fed me, they put gasoline into the car they gave me donations. And then come 65 when admin looks into what's David situation is like, wow, this is out of pattern he doesn't, he doesn't qualify he can't receive a penny from Social Security he cannot without paying huge premiums even enter into Medicare. This guy's off the grid. This guy is gone and now I'm starting to see when the body is is getting up to what the world calls the twilight years. The sparkle of the whole purpose has has made it made me incompatible with the structures of the world. I've become aligned with divine providence I've done aligned with Jesus. You know people say don't you, don't you, didn't you save any money. No, it didn't you put away with an investment portfolio know, you know, I basically Jesus is my life insurance policy Jesus ultimately is my health insurance policy Jesus is my living policy my, my life, my life, my joy. You know, like Jesus says in the course, the peace of God is my one goal, the aim of all my living here, the end I seek my purpose and my function and my life. Well, I abide where I am not at home. So that last sentence is like, even in terms of this world, you're going by by in terms of the laws of this world. The Holy Spirit uses things, you know, orchestrates travels and logistics and flights and cars and transportation and food and clothing and all those things. But it's a power that's in the world but not of the world. It's a power of the Holy Spirit in the mind. And so what it turns out being is that's what leads you into the direct contact with God. It's through pray, listen and follow, and it's through living into in guidance in the present moment. And that's it. You know, if you move into that and you make that connection with with the Holy Spirit and Jesus that inner guidance. Then that's when you through truly can throw books away, you can, you can, you can set aside your Bible you can set aside your course when you make that direct connection with the inner guidance. That's everything. In fact, I would say that that was actually the purpose of the Bible was to put you in touch with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost and Jesus. The purpose of the course is to put you in touch with Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Jesus. And once you have that direct connection, then, then the Bible and the course become like props, along with all the other books and songs and signs and symbols, you know, it's like all the world is then just a bunch of props and symbols to be used only to express joy, not any kind of linear reason just just props and symbols to be used to express present joy. And how simple is that that makes you think of the ranch hand at the horse farm in Columbia, you know, he's happy. He's happy riding the horses, putting them in the barn, letting them out of the barn, and, and taking care of the horses. And that's his symbols for, for joy, it every day is just that. Does this guy have any kind of investment portfolio he doesn't he wouldn't even know what that was, you know, what, what does that even mean. Does this guy have any kind of life insurance or health insurance, what does that mean. He's, he's living with the horses he's blissful. He's doesn't have to go to counseling and therapy for 4050 years for relationship issues. No, he's living in bliss. He doesn't need therapists. He doesn't need therapy. You know, bliss is is all self fulfilled in in itself, because it comes from God. And that's why we're doing this whole mystical teachings of Christ, you know, Jesus, a gospel of love, even that book that I did years ago I kind of collated a book. Initially, I think it was called my meaning in scriptures and then it evolved and, and then it became the mystical teachings of Jesus. And it was kind of funny because maybe about a year ago, just for the fun of it I set out of all the books that have come through me and everything that's come. What's what are the books is our most popular book what is what book that came through me is the is the one that sells the most copies every year and Susan said basically, Oh, clearly it's the mystical teachings of Jesus there's a book, even close to that not movie watchers guide to enlightenment not on one your mind not awakening to a course miracles was the mystical teachings of Jesus, which was all these questions that were given to me and then passages from the Bible, and then passages support passages from the course of miracles. It's like an introduction for many people around the country and the world to what we're talking about now, living the mystical teachings of Jesus no wonder it's the most popular it's, it's Jesus. It's, it's a strong call. Yeah, and that's the one that they've just recently revamped to have the Bible quotes and then teachings directly from you that support those Bible quotes I think we change the name maybe to be called Jesus the gospel of love but yeah that's actually going to be kind of a course material like a bonus will be given to everyone who signs up for the mystical Christ Academy, which starts in April. I haven't actually read it yet but I've kind of gotten a little bit of it. I heard I think for Marcella that it's done. Yeah, anybody's watching this and and they go well I, I like Jesus and I'm liking the resonance of some of these teachings but I don't know about a course of miracles I'm not into channel writing. Well, now we've got a PDF it's just purely the biblical teachings of Jesus with lots of commentary. Sometimes they like my commentary with movies but this is is literally. This is commentary Jesus Jesus Jesus all the way through. So I think for a lot of people that will be a good inroads to to the mysticism we're talking about. Yeah, the experience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I want to share with people too because this this mystical Christ Academy we're doing in April it's, it feels really kind of revolutionary it's like a brand new thing we've never done this before we've done a lot of in person, like mystery schools and longer devotional retreats. This is like a eight week Academy that's kind of I feel like it's. It's, it's like our in person schools, but you don't have to actually come here because it's going to be all virtual and live a lot of live sessions, a lot of course materials to go through daily. Yeah, it kind of feels huge because we're just I mean just like this live we're doing right now where we're kind of opening up to a whole new wave of live sessions we're going to do one tomorrow night with the interns. And then for those of you who are in Tribe of Christ, which is our community, I think that's just going to start exploding to with a lot more live sessions for interaction but. But yeah, the mystical Christ Academy that starts in what is it like three weeks I think from now roughly April 5, but that is going to be where we just kind of explode into the stratosphere. I don't know how I just feel like it's going to be very spontaneous and we won't even like we won't even know what every day will bring, because it's going to be for us another practice of actually listening pray listen and follow. And then let's go live and talk about this and, you know, take question, you know, I just think it's going to be profound for me. Yeah, for everyone. Yeah, I do feel like when I travel around and I've traveled for years and I meet people that if when they sit at their sofa in the living room or have a couple coffee or tea with them in the kitchen and they say, Yeah, sometimes it's kind of kind of a sad lonely journey or sometimes I feel isolated. I don't feel connected. I feel I want to join in. And over the years I just hear people saying I want to connect I want to feel engaged so this is like the prayer we put out to Jesus was, can there be a way that can be very practical very direct and straightforward for like direct engagement. Direct communication, as long as there seems to be bodies and words let it be used for the glory of God, let it be used to feel your presence in the heart. So I just see that it's all just exploding it's blossoming. We had a while back we had a platform called tribe. Many of our friends from around the globe signed up to be part of tribe. And now it's evolving and morphing to be called tribe with Christ, and anybody's watching and you want to kind of explore this and it's really growing exponentially with with what we're seeing. It's the hyphen Christ net. That's where you go and then you can see a number of things that are happening community and online courses and lots of things, but actually, I do feel like this is just Jesus giving us that a next step, just like we get in the movies you know where we have themes during the week and people vote on them in different platforms, and then we pray on the top themes, and we receive a movie from Jesus and then we go deep into the practical application, the teachings through the movie and the movie characters. This is what we're doing now and like you say it's it's actually new for us. It's a it's a new wave. Yeah. Yeah, it's been because I know we had that we had an in person we called it a mystery school was it last year. The last one we did like the last full one I think we have I think we have one actually right now but yeah we had like a kind of a more full one before with where I was involved and I would join with Lisa who was overseeing and we would just get together every morning just to pray and she was clueless I was clueless and and then the spirit would inevitably tell us what should happen that day let's show you know you're going to show a movie at four o'clock of this movie or you're going to just make it happen then okay spirit thank you and then so this is going to be very similar I think which is just exciting to be able to do the same thing but in a virtual online way that anybody in the world can can partake of. And it'll also include the two online retreats that we have these monthly online retreats at the beginning of April at the beginning of May that will be part of the package so yeah it's for those who want to just really go deeper and have a daily way to connect with us I think this is this is the ticket. Yeah, yeah, it does remind me kind of a digital version of something that I experienced many years ago I was I went down to Australia seven consecutive years and one of those I think towards the later part of those seven years. I was on a trip down along the coastline south of Sydney down down down to mystery Bay. So I went to this mystery Bay in very mystical place in in Australia southeastern Australia right on the coast of the ocean. And when we prayed about that retreat, it was like Jesus said I will guide you day by day and moment by moment. And so people were saying what are we going to do what's the schedule for the retreat and we said, well see that whiteboard over there there's whiteboard a marker and a little eraser. And we're going to whiteboard the whole retreat because Jesus wants us to learn pray listen and follow so you just watched as things get erased and then the next thing comes on everybody's watching the board if somebody sees the board, starting to fill up tell everybody. And then we went through our quiet times our meditations we did sessions we did dance parties. We did a mystery Bay spontaneous retreat where you just come as you are and go into the rapture of just pray listen and follow. And with this, with our new platform, we have had the idea to have maybe doing longer retreats maybe even like a week long retreat, but there's a, there's a way that we can drip it. It's a feature in there called drip. So day one starting session, we drip it. Then we drip the afternoon and then we drip the evening and then the next day day to we drip drip drip. It's like, if you're ready, if you can handle dripping spontaneous life of just drip drip drip with Jesus, then this is where I think there can be an explosion of connection of ecstasy of, of really being in the spirit. Like one of Kim Walker songs, you know, Holy Spirit you are welcome here, you know, to send on us Holy Spirit you are honored here to send on us Jesus, the presence of Jesus you are welcome to send on us drip drip drip day by day day by day. And, and the whole purpose is to let go of time. I skull, I've been seeing all kinds of things online but one of them I see I think in Orlando sort of they have something like called the Jesus School. And that's it's rock and I think I see it sometimes on Instagram Jesus School, and they're dancing and they're crying and they're going through emotions and they're, they're laughing and wow they are in the Jesus School. It's, it's vibrant it's intense but it's, it's, it's basically Jesus saying, I'm calling you out of the world is what it is. It's basically saying Jesus saying my kingdom is not of this world, our kingdom is a heavenly kingdom a spiritual kingdom, and you access it right in the present moment in the holy instant. So basically, what Jesus is saying I mean, ultimately, people get really frightened by that. A lot of people very frightened, people that are even devoted get terrified and frightened of that, because it's like they feel like they're going into the unknown when actually they're going into the known. But to the ego, God is the big unknown spirit is the big unknown and people get terrorized, but then you build your faith you you stretch and you you expand and expand. And I think it was that way for me with the course I mean I, I read the text and then I was going through the workbook. And I think I got to workbook lesson 132. And, and I was like, whoa. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is, this is beyond the beyond. You know, because he was, he was saying, he was saying, there is no world apart from what you think huge. And then he said there is no world period so I thought, Oh my gosh, all those studies of mysticism, even studying the bits of the Mesquita and different ancient scriptures and texts and other cultures that in the east it's called Maya. When I first read about Maya, I was like, what's this concept Maya, what is Maya. I was unfamiliar with the word Maya. And then when you're into the mystical Christian teachings of the mystics and saints. The same idea starts to come up in Western Christian mysticism terms. And then when you finally get to lesson 132. It's like he's going to spell it out. He's going to actually spell out that that this perceptual world is a veil, gone over the light, the truth. We're meant to wake up from the veil have the veil removed so we can see the face of Christ. And that is where these deep teachings from from India and China and Jesus is transcendent teachings of spiritual awakening and, and knowing God, suddenly it's like, Oh, that's what it's about. It's about connecting with with God and coming to a remembrance of our true identity. So then everything else, all the challenges and the struggles and the burdens and everything. It's more like Kim Walker says in her, her songs, you know, bring them all and, and give them all, you know, turn them all toward the light, like, okay, here's jealousy. I'm sending you a gift Jesus. Take the jealousy from me take the pride. Take the challenges and struggles of relationship here. Take it all take it all. I give it to you. And actually that's what the Holy Spirit wants the Holy Spirit wants us to, to give them over to not cling to them to not hold them, but to say you take it all. What a lightness that comes when we actually do that sincerely purely in our hearts, not just words or mantras but I mean, we really mean it then seems like that's the surrender that we've always been praying for. Yeah. I remember we had that opening session for our we have our pilot course going this week and we had an opening session the other day and there was a woman who was really just going through a mystical experience and kind of wondering like how do I navigate time and space like how do I even function and, and you use the word involuntary and how it's it's it's about surrendering and letting the body kind of be used almost like where we become like a just a channel of the spirit but it's involuntary, which even in the Bible Jesus told the apostles, you know, if they call you before the courts, you know, don't plan what you're going to say just the spirit will kind of speak through you will put the words in your mouth. And, and I know you've been teaching for decades that that your whole life can feel like that where you don't really have to worry about like even put any thought into what to do day by day. Like I remember once you said, you know, if you wake up in the morning and you have your to do list in your mind, like that you don't that's just going to get in the way really give your to do list to the spirit and say I I trust you'll you'll trust me today and, and everything will be involuntary. So that's been just so helpful for me. I think that's kind of the core of what this, these courses and what this Academy, because if we're going to go into mysticism it's like how do we, because it is scary, like you said, when we think of it as I'll just be in this, abstract state of mind and what's going to happen to the body and how am I going to function how will I even feed myself how will I, you know, but it is as you've discovered and shared it. There's nothing to worry about the spirit will when we take our hands off the wheel, the spirit will put his hands on for us like he's just waiting for us to like, come on just let go let me drive I can drive a little better than that's good. I had a friend of mine in Colorado one time and she was driving on a major highway goes north south. Yeah, I remember the story highway 25 yeah and she was in her car and probably going 60 miles an hour and then, and then I think one of her worst fears was she going into a mystical experience when she was on the highway driving miles per hour, but she actually did go into a mystical experience and she was kind of down south a little bit at garden garden of the gods, and then found herself when she came out of the mystical and she was still with her body holding the wheel, driving on the highway. Miles 2530 miles down the road. And that's a perfect example about how it's involuntary like the ego would tell you you're in trouble. If you go to a mystical experience and you're driving on a highway at 60 miles an hour. I don't know what to ask her but Jesus is saying, told you involuntary involuntary it's not under your conscious control. And someone who really inspired me actually early on was I picked up this book. When I was in Roscoe, New York called the peace of God is my one goal and there were I love that but people, you know Barbara and Robert Varley who who were so much into prayer and devotion they were, they were reading. And when they came together they would like read from the Bible and the lamp lamp survival and the course and they were just into pray listen and follow. And I, the whole life was a demonstration. We got to Robert, Barbara had passed away by the time we met Robert but it was so beautiful because Barbara had a song that she's saying it was I'm willing for my life. To be a picture painted by Holy Spirit, painted by Holy Spirit and the song repeats this beautiful lyric. And she just would sing that almost like a mantra willing for my life to be a picture, painted by Holy Spirit, painted by Holy Spirit, and they were helpful examples that Jesus sent to me early on this was, they traveled around the United States back in the 1980s and then I got their book and started traveling in the 1990s. So, again, Jesus just sent all the witnesses to say, it's no no big deal I got this and I just all you have to do is say yes, and and then pray listen and follow follow my voice. I will take care of everything I will arrange everything in your perceptual world if you just listen and follow. And the Varleys were good examples of that they, I wouldn't describe them as intellectuals they were just like devoted practitioners of following and facing their resistances to Jesus and facing their emotional struggles, kind of day to day like we do and that's going as part of these online courses. And then we have a pilot course going right now. And then we have an academy starting up I think it's April 5, like you said and then as we move into the summer, we could be dripping dripping in very interactive retreats that are basically online retreats with lots of engagement lots of participation and I think our whole ministry is in that sense we still have our monasteries and we still have our extensions through the church but this is really going to the heart of mysticism for those that basically are saying I'm not guided right now to leave my place of residence or I'm not guided to leave my situation, but I my heart is calling for this and this is something I can jump into right now. And I think that's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it feels such like such an honor to be part of this and just it's like the answer to my calling to just keep opening up to this experience, even while you were talking a little while ago I was like starting to go into a mystical experience I was like, Whoa, everything's getting very like the kingdom of heaven really is here it's just like beyond the veil that like kind of thirst to shine through and yeah I just want to learn to trust in that fully that I can let go of everything else all the past learning and yeah I'm just so grateful for you. That's beautiful. That's happened in a lot of getters where people in the middle of the talk, they've even raised their hand and said I'm drifting off I'm, I'm going into a mystical experience is that all right I said yeah. And then yes, when you come back tell us all what the what wisdom you have to share with us, but you're safe now keep going. And I think even this past week wasn't it this past Saturday I showed Solaris. Oh my gosh that I got an email the next day of someone who felt like they were just going into the mystic and they were in a teaching or a sermon from Jesus they just went in their mind, what went way off into the expansiveness with it then. I'm like, great great wonderful. We're encouraging that we're not encouraging people necessarily to try to reach it through through drugs or through there's a lot of ways that actually the spirit can use but but we're basically focusing on prayer. I think life of devoted prayer and learning to come into your heart chamber and make a deep connection with your spirit through your intuition and then just follow that intuition. And if that resonates with you then, wow, that's good we all we're all holding hands and joining joining in that that prayer. Thank you so much David for this time this has been such a treat and yeah for all of you who are watching if you're interested just go to the hyphen Christ net and you'll see our tribe of Christ Community link and the mystical Christ Academy coming up April 5. We have an early bird discount if you sign up by March 26 you get 20% off. So yeah check out the Christ net and and we hope to see you soon we'll be we'll be doing I think tomorrow night like I said we're doing a live session in tribe of Christ. It'll be our first like major live session with everyone who's been involved in this whole project so I think that's going to be pretty pretty fun and lively. So yeah we were thinking maybe 6pm mountain and central time. Yeah, so if you're on the East East Coast what is that around the. That might be seven o'clock Eastern if it's six o'clock central. I, or no if it's no you're right. Yeah mountain. Yeah, you're right. Two hours later. Yeah, so you're on the East Coast. It's like eight o'clock tomorrow night. So if you're going to tune into Facebook and YouTube all of our platforms or you're at central time or mountain time, tune in around six and if you're out there in California and Seattle, Portland, you know, the West Coast. That's going to be like five, five o'clock. Make when you make it home from work, you're working. It's going to be a great, great broadcast. Yeah. Yeah, thank you so much, David. Thank you everyone for watching. Thank you all.