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I'll go to prison, don't come here and threaten me. The question was, my dining table with eight chairs all had armoured vests or a nest. It's a bit like I'm somebody's uncle when I'm not. You're everybody's uncle. And they did come up. Until I noticed how they looked like SES. I've got a flatbed, camouflage, big rifles and I'm thinking. That and a few are done with you, James. That's the second one I've done with you. I shouldn't have done that and a few. My head was tonight. Bimber on! Are you done, James? Yes, and we've got the man himself, Mr Paul Ferris. How are you, Paul? Great, James. Good to see you again. It's coming to the back, Paul. First two interviews, over two million views. High in demand as always. Everybody loves the way you talk, your stories. The first podcast that we've done was Merabout Your Life, right back to the start. Through everything, all the stuff you've done, like The Unsolved Murders, all the bullshit. Second podcast was All But Your Prison Life, all the jails you've been in, which was many. Funny stories, bit comical that one. The day we're going to stick to the business years, you're 20 years out of the jail, you've managed to stay out. Oh, there we go, parole officer. Sorry, I can't take your call just now. We're discussing some business aspects, Brian. I'm only live with the James, the English. I should have had the phone switched on. Sorry, Brian. Sorry about it. Thank you. Bye-bye. And just for the benefit, that was Brian Anderson, who's got a production company. He wants to focus on cut the documentary, Doctor Dramas. He's involved in Jack Pippermedia. I should have had my phone switched off. Apologies for that. And that's the legitimate part, yeah. It's people that want to focus on documentary, Doctor Dramas, on the basis of what is Sunday Life, and how can Sunday, from my background, involved in what you'd call, maybe series organised crime, disengage in that, and go straight for the best part, the anniversary, which is next month on the 24th of January 2022, which is 20 years, James. Unbelievable, especially for the life that you've came, very well respected up in the UK. For the wrong reasons, and the right reasons as well, especially if you've been out for 20 years, it shows that people can change. The business years you were, you've many businesses over the years, especially books, films, like if anybody knows about business, it's yourself, Paul, but you've been fucked over a few times as well, which we'll touch on. Let's start at the very last time you were in prison. What jail were you in? The last time I was in prison was finishing off a sentence that was handed down for the old Bailey. It would be Franklin Prison in Durham, and it was just about to get released, but I had to provide some documentation on what my lawful employment would be when I get released, and in conjunction with my licence conditions. Initially I said to them I'm going back into the security sector, and some of them acted like an exorcism, you know, twisting their head and their faces, and going, no, no, you can't get back into that. I never knew what was happening in Scotland at that time, or in Glasgow. The security was kicking off even before I got out, a couple of people got shot, a couple of things going on, so it was just an environment for me to get back into, and the probation service said to me, if you feel that you want to get back out and get involved in this industry, you will be recalled. Can you find other means of lawful employment? Which I did do. Is that hard to comment, Paul, especially if you read to then? What was your mindset coming at Paul for the very last time that you think to yourself, I'm looking back in here, or are you thinking, I'm just going to take it day by day? Well, before the Franklin prison, I actually looked upon some of the documentation that I got from my solicitors, when I was on remand before the trial, in Bellmarsh, and the documentation I got was about what you would call personal defence statements, and what the crown position was, and when I got given the crown documents, it became relevant that 12 of the documents that I was looking at were security service, operatives, MI5, operatives that never gave their name, they were witness A, witness B, the whole alphabet, James, but what they had was an operation on me since 1996, 1997, photographs, wiretaps on my own personal mobile phone, my landline phone, my own house, and there was loads of stuff there which was true and accurate, and I thought, do you know what, see if you come with the attention of these people, you might as well give up crime because I never intended to come with the attention to MI5 at that stage, but they were kind of dormant on their activities because people looking back would understand that the Good Friday Agreement was invoked, so the MI5 and the Security Services never had much to do with domestic terrorism, so they were focused on serious and organised crime in the UK, and that was the first one, along with Arthur Soty and mother co-defendants for the investigation and kind of surveillance what was on, and when I looked at these documentations and Velmas, people would ask me, when did you decide to go straight or go legit? It was quite clear for me when I read these and seen these in 2008, even before the trial, I thought, how can somebody let me come with the attention of a powerful organisation, so I decided to accept my fate, I decided to take it on with my prison sentence and move on, and when I was pre-released for Franklin Prison, it became apparent that what I said when I got released in 2001 was that the whole basis on it was I'm going straight, there was official police statements saying that Alephard can't change his thoughts, so that's fair enough, but I ain't Alephard, the only spots I had was Sir Isis, that's why I'm wearing a hat sometimes, so Alephard can't change his thoughts, that's fine, I've not got the brains to go straight, but here we are 20 years later, I'm near enough 20 years, and a hard process and something which to focus on the business years, I had to prove lawful employment before I was released on the basis that they wouldn't accept the fact that I'm going back into the security industry, so I was given a position, the sales executive and consultant from an individual who was an Iranian ex-el Dufflamac called Ben Allagher on a project called St Denys Marina. What sort of security did you get when you came out? I was just going back into security that I was previously involved in before I was arrested, the security was 90% construction, making sure that there's no thefts, there's no fires, site agents turn up and give you the keys, not me personally giving me the keys, but giving the keys to our agents on a Friday, and they turn up on Monday and they go back to their work and that repeats itself over the month. We also done some pubs, clubs and events which was kind of different, but we always decided that if we can provide a peaceful environment and a safe environment for people to work then we're providing a valuable resource to that industry. Was that a strong business to get into... At the time I set up a security company, called Archie Rollo who was a big rangersman in Brigton and his family, the Rollo family in Brigton, when they say they were loyalists, they were loyalists sympathisers and for me as a Catholic boy to be invited into this it was something which they knew my dad, my dad was a fraudist, my dad was done with a loyalist but they focused on demolition on his own, and anybody knows the old Shawfield stadium the... the council which they adjacent to it was getting pulled down and Archie had the contracts for it so he took me there one day and he said fall, we're going to start a security company and a demolition company and I looked at this building and I thought there's still shutters on it, it's just a mess something that used to be brought on that field and Easter house and things like that and I thought without swearing with the fucking money on this you know when Archie had said we can reclaim the slates, we can reclaim the timver everything else and we need to get what's called a grinder something which it takes all the rubble that converts the stone into grades 1, grade 2 and grade 3 that gets sold back to the roads of the department and I said, where do we get this machine? we hire it it's a thousand pounds a day and that's where the first thing we came to security because we need to secure the machine and that's where the first company came involved and called DEM security was an abbreviation of the demolition, D-E-M that's what we set up and the security aspect was looking after machines, looking after materials and I had the office set up in Dominic and a few other different places but what I never knew was Archie Rowe had a long-term illness and thought it was going to die before I could proceed with it so I had a company I had admin I had offices, I had vehicles and I never knew the way forward until I met another guy called Tosh Walker who had an involvement and premier security based in Dominic I never seen him bluff that or I said I'm involved in security he didn't want any competition made a formal agreement as long as he takes on my sister and anybody else who made his employees to make sure they don't lose their job and he would take them on and wrap them up and I kind of weave in between his company and the demolition company See the security the game it's obviously top boys, top families who run that, did you ever come to your head with any big families for certain tufts and money? No, not at all I've always found that the premier security ended up being the biggest independent security company in Scotland not just in Glasgow that would be preceding my arrest in 1997 I did find a big change when I got back out on 2002 where you had to have a passport for the south side a visa, for postal and some other forms of approval to go elsewhere and I thought that's not how it was before I went to prison other people had took it over there was a feeding frenzy that if somebody had a bus stop that their gran used to get that bus for 1960s then that's their area it all became territorial for a situation, I found it funny because one of the first jobs we got when I got out for front line security I got a phone call and I answered it, the admin should have answered it they were away in lunch but I answered it nobody knew who they were speaking to and the phone call went along the lines what you's doing in Cambridge Lang and I thought can you give me any more information on that yeah we've got a site in Cambridge Lang, it's your job and your signs are on these Harris Fencing where do you work we work throughout Scotland and the last time I looked at the map Cambridge Lang was still on the map still in Scotland, what is your problem ah we're not too happy with it then other people phoned other people went in, I got a phone call we've got somebody who's answered the phone and your company front line security giving the earth people about a cheek I said what was that about it's about a job in Cambridge Lang I said it was me that answered the phone Cambridge Lang still in Scotland the last time I looked would you want to do it we've got the contract and the reason why the strength was there was because I knew contractors for premier security when I was in there they know the confidence level, they get the keys back on Friday they turn on the Monday and everything it's cool on their side so word of mouth they would rather deal with us rather than known entities Do you think you go at the number one company through business strategies or because of your reputation No I think about both James reputation don't it gets you contract it gives people a peace of mind but I think because the way we treated the professional aspect the business because there's no point then a business if you're not going to be a professional rather than it properly or you don't you ain't doing it at all so seem you're going to a business and you become the biggest in Scotland does it ever make you look back and go fuck me what was that they involved because you've been charged with the gun running the gun running was after that preceding that premier security was the biggest security, independent security company in Scotland so seem you're doing all that legit does it make you think people aren't, I know Palsby Glesgin I don't get business minds man they're working in a rank field if it just changed the strategies and went on to something different they would make man money plus it would be legit so see when you're doing that Paul do you think cover man so do you think we should have been more educated instead going down the other path as well no no, trying to I used an asset and the asset that I had was because I had been in prison as a young offender and then as a young adult you get to know all them on the main people gynllen o gwnaeth i'w hoffa chiifiedd o gwasanaeth Cymru, Cropnau yn Perth, Aberdein, Dandy, Dyng Nghymru, ac mae'r gwahanol y gall, yn llu ddechrau, ac mae'n prysnigiaeth bod gyda gwerthu fynd yn mynd yn ymlaen, ac efallais maen nhw y ddweud o'r cyfnod gael y bydiau a efallai'r newydd cyntaf o gwahanol i hyn yw'r cyfnod eich bydwyr i pob eu gwsglymwyr. Diolch i'w llwydo i chi. Rwy'n iawn a'i'r gwybod. Dwi'n gallu'n gwybod yn cofwc. Fy wnaeth yr ogylch gyda'n gweithgol. Brindiwch chi'n cymdeithasol yn ei wneud Fyddwch cherdd gen i'r Yrwyng Doeddps yng nghyddowniaeth, fyddwch chi'n cofwc i'r Yrwyng Doeddps, i ph dropdownio gyd yn eich pryd. P Davie'n feddwl, fan wnaeth y taith i'r ffordd, roedd yn arlaed i chi. Roedd o'n llawer o ddwy'i'r wneud, Mae hwn a'r llunio hynny. O'r tyfan, rhai dd yn fyw. Fodol. Felly, mae gen i ddweud o'r ff vaccinated. Mae ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae gen i ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae gen i ddweud o'r defnyddio. Mae hi yn ôl i gael eich gwiaith a'i BTW, pan hynny o演io. Mae'r gyfrifonau cyflaen o'r cyflaen. Mae'r llunio yn amlŷ o'i rinno a'i gweithio. Mae'r gweithio ydy, mae hwn yn rhan hyn o'r ffamilau. Cael peth o'r Prinsen, rydyn nhw'n passechol, nid o dechrau'n ddatblygu'i bant sy'n ffawr am gyflawn? Yr edrych, James, y gallwn gwahanol i'w pergylchedig mhysgol honno, ond, ddydyn ni'n grwp o'r 2002, ychydig o'r gwahanol o'r ffordd mewn brifeeu o'r mhysgol oherwydd yr angen gwybod, drwy'r sector yw dechrau, byddwn ni'n iel i ddechrau'n cyffredinol cadowol yn ddidd, mae'r ddoch yn cael ei gwahanol i'r hwn. Seiforddai cael o'r tymwll ac rwyf achos I would know because I am in English F queries in the Scottish issues going on with what they call security wars People getting short, contractors being intimidated, buildings sites be reduced to rubble in certain fire I never really knew about it because you don't get that information when you're in England So I had taken the fact that I couldn't give any lawful employment in the security industry Cyngweld yr industry i'r contensio. Rydw i yn ychydig yn ysgolwch, rydw i'n eu rhai yng ngosod yng Nghymru, ychydig i'r cynyddiadau i gael y prosiect, ychydig i'r cyfrannu. Ac mae'n gael ei ei ddweud oedd ac mae'n gynnyddio, aeth yn ei ddweud i'r cyfrannu'r industry yn Scolod. Ond mae gen i'n nid i'r llei'r cyfrannu? Mae'n ffalu eitb o'r mynd o'r ddweud, oherwydd y gallai gwirch i fod yn baf i'r ddysgu a'u ddysgu a'i addysgu. Mae'r ddysgu yn ystod o garwch chi'n hiw, i'r modd, sydd o'r cynllun sy'n gallu gwirch i ddi excessol sylwyd. Fe gydweithio sefydlu ddiagusol sylwyd, a'r hyn oed i fod yn f throwsa cyffredinol i amddai, ond mae'r mynd i'r pethau. Rydyn ni wedi bod yn y bleiddo, mae'n mynd i ddonell i amser iddo. Mae'r cyfeidliadau i fynd i gwn. the police intelligence thought we'd make ideas if you and I were cops, you've phone crime stop'rs and have to file, then that's your intelligence, and then we go towards other agencies with banking officials, and use their intelligence reports and massage things, and it was a fantasy with most things. So are you still getting Finished by the cop? … doing your inventory? Rwy'n falch ac mae'n gofio, ond nid oedd yn ni'n ddysgu, ac mae'n rhaid o bwyd yn rhaid i ni'n gwneud, ac mae'n rhaid i ni'n gwneud, ond mae'n gweithio i gafodd mwy o'r cymdwysau sy'n cyffredinol, sy'n gwneud hynny, ac mae'n gweithio ffyrdd i gael gwybodaeth sydd o'r cyffredinol sy'n gweithio i gael gwybodaeth sydd o'r cyffredinol. a gwnaeth ni fel dech regulatione i ni. Rydym yn adnodd byddai'r amser hynny, siaradau. Beth ydy'r gwahod gyda'r cwp? Dwi nhw hi'n sgwr o listau cyflawni, o'r meddwl hynny, mae o'r meddlu sydd wedi'i i chi fod yn y gyflawnio mewn gwreith. O'n meddwl hynny, mae'n meddwl hynny, mae'n meddwl gae, yn allan, yn gweithio'r meddliad i'n meddwl, Mae'r iawn i chi, ond rydym iawn. Mae'r bysgown yn gwybod y gyrion a'r bysgown yn gwybod yr unedig. A mae'r bysgo mae'r cyflawydd, ond ran eich gyrain. Y bysgown yn g�orol oherwydd roi'r bysgo yn cynnwys,珍dau. A'r bysgo'r bysgo yn y gwybod yr ymarfer ac mae'r gweithio'n gar beddydd, ac mae'r cyflwyd ddis waith yw colli wych, a'r gyrnwys ei hwydynes? A'r myd i'n ddigon i'ch bod yn gwybod yn gweithio, ond rôl eu cerddon, Dymbarton Shirefcourt. Ferisi's company is now garden speed cameras on the M8. The reality is that my son Paul was given specific instructions to be a junior supervisor who had a load of signs on the back of the car who was then in a marked vehicle, front line security vehicle with a proper driver who was a supervisor and the remit was given to him any Harris Fenson that you see is not signed target and he'd done that for Monday, sorry for Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We were getting phone calls on Monday saying the fuck's happened here? Why you garden Dymbarton Shirefcourt? Whenever. It was just Harris Fenson that these signs was put up. Sunday mail jumped on it. Strafclyde police jumped on it. We might never garden any public buildings, courts or speed cameras and anybody who thought we had to have the contracts on it was misguided. Good PR for the newspapers, good source material for salacious media reports but we never had that. It was just two people, one the supervisor who was a driver, another one was my son, who was too eager to look at the specifics and the scope of works, any Fenson that you don't see has got a sign, put our signs up and he'd done it for Dymbarton to Edinburgh. And now all of a sudden because of the sign up we've got the contract. It's not, it should never have happened but it was a good bit of PR. They mentioned it in the newspapers and people thought we had government contracts or whatever. Did you ever get people using your signs and kidding on? We'd done a few of them. We'd done a few of them but when we did find that they were getting bullied for other security companies and we never really minded it so much. We never took any money off them but there was a few, no as many but there was a few. It's fair play. Is that no border, do you know? No, no. It's a bit like I'm somebody's uncle when I'm not. You're everybody's uncle? And sometimes people would tear his fence and they went bang, we'll put front line security up. It gave them a bit of confidence but in a business, I couldn't allow it. If they want to come under an umbrella front line and get a contract up, fine. If they don't want to use front line and get the signs off, put their end signs up. But we never minded that, we never. You must have been making good dough number one in Scotland in security. What was your plans? Were you trying to settle down and get a gaff outside the glass down? No, just something which I looked into. I was involved in security for the winter present when 2002 became about the employee status for myself and I was involved in St Deniz Maria project which purely to satisfy the privation and not get involved in the main security aspects. But after that timescale was up, I did get involved in it. What was the plan? The plan was to make sure that we can get back to being the best and the biggest security company in Scotland, independent security company in Scotland before and with it was before I went to prison. I know you like your farm houses. My first plan was to get a farm house. No, to be honest with you James, the first property I ever bought was a flat in the address in Marina called Mariner's View. The reason why I bought a flat in there because my mum after 40 years had been involved in Black Hill eventually moved into Stevenson an address in. My family's been in Stevenson, my mum actually got a house near the Rossin and I used to go on the visitor and one of the things she used to say was it took her 40 years to get to Black Hill and all the chaos. I don't have quite a place near the Rossin and I was welcome there any time but there was a rule. If I'm in there before 9 o'clock the front door's locked. If I get there after 9, the door's locked. If you're in, you're in, you're out, you're out. That's typical Glaswegian mami would say. Sometimes my business took us towards after 9 o'clock so I bought a flat down there in the Marina in a Rossin Mariner's View. Purely allowing me if I was coming back down to see my mum after 9 o'clock I sleep up there, I get the kids and I go and see my mum this Saturday morning but the farm was totally different. The farm was which I ended up involved in a relationship. We're due to get married. My partner was pregnant at the time and she looked at the farm as an acquisition and I looked at a Georgian for offer that he could renovate and make up, make it nice on where it was. So we had a dual decision and both of you would go and see different properties. The problem was with the Georgian property that affect when I went to visit it I couldn't see it because it was in a gully somewhere down in a valley. The photograph that was online made it look really good but the minute you looked down and you thought I ain't for me, let's go and look at this farm. I don't want to buy a farm, I'm not a farmer. I don't want to buy a farm but it was something which was five acres. The farm house was built in 1737. My wife at that time wanted to buy it and settled down and I thought I'll buy it for her and that's what I did there but I could prove, legit me how I could buy it had reasonable source of income, reasonable source of funds and I did there but it was a big job. A lot of people say to me Paul, why don't you buy a plot of land and get a new build done? My wife never picked a plot of land on a new build and she picked this farm and I'm going to be a farmer when that's what I've done. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. What was people saying to you then obviously when you started getting used to it? I was in there for about two or three weeks and it was a friend of mine. It was Tom Bacon. We were a gift, cardboard box and I never knew what a cockro was. I never knew what a hen was. I knew what pigeons were. I knew people used to fly to do's and the schemes and things but as a farmer I got a hen and I got a cockro and then a couple of weeks later I've got loads of chickens and a couple of weeks after that I've got 25 chickens cockro's and so I became the hen forcer and somebody done a view on it and said what are you doing now? The beautiful thing about it, a lot of people feel my background and the end that's been involved in concrete jungles and maybe deprived areas getting into the fact that you're on a farm and you've got this shell that's an egg that's making a noise and your video and a chicken comes into it in your own hand it's a beautiful experience I've never experienced that in my life and I've done it about four or five times but we did lose quite a lot of chickens because I never knew how to manage them they died through I don't know maybe starvation there was probably 95% we saved but there is a failure rate and for me it was a humbling experience getting a live thing an egg that transforms into a chicken that you grow up to feed it was just brilliant for me it was just immense Did you ever get the foxes I'm eating them? The bastards aren't they? Well what happened was I forgot to shop one of the doors which cut outside Valdans that were designed for livestock but we put the chickens in there on one of the occasions we went up to Stirling for a view on it was an antique sphere and I remember driving that thing I never shot that door and it was only a couple of hours there and coming back down we were lost about 20 chickens I used to think foxes were curious and the sultry creatures that you could maybe look at and go they were a bit flyer a bit mischievous about what they were doing they'd done 25 chickens I've had a shotgun there I shot that fox I would have cos I took my daughter on the next day to feed them and there were just feathers everywhere and matter of fact I actually had a chicken that had escaped the fox that much it lost its back plumage I kept staring at the wall it had post-traumatic stress and when I talked to a few people that had a chicken with post-traumatic stress they laughed and go what the fuck are you talking about cos this chicken kept looking at the wall it survived the fox it survived the fox but my whole attitude changed through this fox decimated my pets and the old names, the kids all gave them names like Spike, Jill, Henry they were all gone because I never shot this door were you guilty if you were guilty? I did I did matter of fact what I did was I ended up saying to the next farmer could I get some of these peskin throw people up and they did come up until I noticed they looked like SES they've got a flatbed camouflage big rifles and I'm thinking they're going to get plotted up on this farm all it takes is a helicopter up there with a heat sensor on it to think which fur is down there with these sniper rifles I gave them 50 quid to go away I should just forget the fox he's leaving they're talking about triangular killing zones and I thought I don't want to hear anything about this that's 50 quid, just go away let's deal with it is that what they're there to extend the go with it? I'm very professional but I couldn't have it on there cos they thought it was me lining the field with a sniper because when I get released for prison I signed a document that I could never have access to a firearm otherwise I get 10 year I'm allowed to look at them but I can't clap them or touch them and I don't want anything remotely saying that Ersa's farm and that could be him with the camouflage on with this those rifles for me moving them on and saying leave the fox I'll just shut the door just earlier 50 quid go away HMRC put a big investigation on you in 2012 how was that for you to do with? I fully accept it James because when I get out for prison in 2002 I was an employee for a company called St Denys Marina project that should have paid my pay by an NIC and it was the tool maybe in the 2002-2003 there's a guy called James Mervyn that took over front line security and because I was attacked as a consultant they gave me a P60 form to sign in I'm just learning about normal business transferred my PYC PYC and NIC was never paid by the St Denys Marina project and I thought that's fucking strange and then I dismissed that because the person who I was involved with was an Iranian diplomat and it turns out to be a customs agent it turns out to be HMRC and I thought this is just a big fucking game here if they weren't paid come and tell me how much I owe them when they'll pay them but fortunately it rumbled on after a few years so when the farm was ready in 2012 it was kind of surreal by that time I'm married I've got three kids, my wife's in bed three kids are in bed I've opened the door very civil I might say but the door never gets put on it's not one of these mad raids like Gaskerry Nades and on the floor and all and I said no somebody did decent to chop the door no I did decent to open it but what I saw was quite surreal all big fucking rugby players we armoured the vest on and all I asked was who's in charge and somebody stepped forward we're here to investigate I said can you give me a minute I'm going to go and wake my wife up she's still in bed I don't want my kids frightened it's a family environment you're most welcome to come in and thanks for the decency they don't want no kick in so by the time I woke up my wife up and told her that she's asked me all sorts of questions why are we getting ready and I don't know I had sorted there was loads of people there armed response but I laced with the main guys in charge and he indicated forward there's a female WPC there that will do with your wife there's another uniformed cop there he was just a young boy he was a police officer he was just a young boy so they took it allocated to look after and I'm looking at these other guys walking about with the the bulletproof the vest on and the earpieces and it was like a fucking proper a SWAT red and I'm thinking what have I done and I've never done nothing at that stage and people don't want to hear you've done nothing at that stage they're there for a reason I don't know why they're a bit becomes quite apparent so I then he was speaking to the one in charge you're in a family environment here what would like as a request to de-escalate the visual stuff that I'm looking at because it's quite aggressive can you get your guys to take the vest off they're still in uniform and engage in a family environment here with who frightened my wife and my kids they don't know I know I'm a customer but it's a request can you ask them to de-escalate it not a problem and one of them was a big fucking rugby player one of them walked past me and went nice one so this whole surreal situation was my dining table with eight chairs all had armoured armoured vests all around this table the time my wife's up she gets separated in another room the WPC and the uniform the WPC was looking after my daughter the other PC's looking after my kids and they're playing me Bowden blocks and I'll think this is fucking surreal going down to what you want whatever you're looking for there's no telly but it was a an HMRC investigation money laundering proceeds of crime seasoned computers documentation they don't announce when they're going to come and see you they just pounce like that but they've done it in a very dignified and professional way 70s and the professionalism that they were showing on the day and de-escalating the aggressive visual stuff between the body armour off was well received and they went and done their duty they were there for six or eight hours See if they show your respect are you happy that I think it's a mirror on these James you know there are to do a job they've targeted me for whatever information they allowed me to get my wife and kids sorted it without coming in there was a meeting of minds I'm dealing with the main guys involved but he's dealing with me and the guy of the house he's the guy of the raid they've de-escalated the kind of aggressive uniform nature to offer anward waistcoats and just became normal people doing a search it was also a couple of female HMRC that was there and they kept looking through my book collection and one of them had said to me I love your collection of books have you read on them and I never they would just do an antique show that I put up there and I told an honest line and I think they were a bit disappointed they thought I was well read it was just a stage prop but she did turn around and said your kids are beautiful you've raised them well and having that for a point of view during the raid it was just nice a lot of people think they come up and smash a door around and they could have but they never and that's why I complied with them so it was a meeting of minds it was an equilibrium they've got to investigate and I've got to comply see when you're active going through a life of crime and then going through the business years Paul I'm legit what side of the coin do you feel as if you end up with me because I'm legit but I feel as if I do with me and I'm legit than I did I think the honest value James is I know what to speed on about but there was another investigation further than the line I took control of a situation where a client was involved and he was drew three million quid back I got the guy who was involved he declared that he's two other partners and we thought it'd been a big too long story he admitted liability a million pound and he wanted me to negotiate terms where the credit are to say Paul I'll give you five grand a week if you can negotiate until give us a bit of breathing space and because I get involved with this one there was a lot of madness involved involved in another situation but getting back to being involved in legitimate enterprises I felt in the last two three years the stress value for me being threatened by agencies what they're going to do financially and I just felt personally attached towards I've never walked away from a challenge maybe I've accepted a few fights and maybe I won and maybe I don't won but this is something which was seriously affecting me that my wife and my kids moved because all the hassle was going on and domestic hassle it's always left in the farm on my own my son was our dean at the time and there was one occasion where I just missed two agents either HMRC or other agents had been sent to forth their views on what they were going to do and seize the farm and seize the accounts and put me in my place sort of thing and I'm thinking so I missed A2 and then I was in the farm and I got CCTV and I just missed another two at the same time and this letter opened up it's a brown letter and people understand that when they get brown envelopes it's no fuller cash under a table it's to do with this is an official thing and I opened up and I read it and it was just more or less a threat you don't do this, we are taking this and I thought I need to phone this number because private that I don't need to deal with HMRC on committing the fact that at least between 7 and 10 million quid had been paid to them through a variety of different companies in my control my personal liability was probably a high 6 phager sum but the problem was I was dealing with a case agent in Liverpool who dealt with the UK HMRC payments but what I never realised was Scotland got its devolved powers on taxation and collection and when I phoned this number up I had a Glaswegian accent and I thought well that's good maybe there's something there that a Glaswegian is speaking to a scouser there's a language barrier somewhere so a Glasgow guy is speaking to I don't know if he's glad you are but it's got his accent and all I got was threat after threat and I thought are you fucking threatening me here if you don't do this we'll do that now isn't it you looked at the address it's in Gatcosh this super MI5 headquarters that have got HMRC cheery snorganised crime and other agents she's under the one umbrella and I'm speaking to them I phoned this number which I thought was Liverpool when I noticed the changing numbers I understood the changing attitude and no long after I did have properties on the market I was selling them on the basis I had to sell anyway the escape for that I had to prove where the source income was coming to pay these people because I could have asked frenzy vines but the problem was for me to ask for £200,000 quid on a payment transfer payment reference would be HMRC to come to me to pay HMRC I don't know what other business people are down they might have no way of paying their tax they might be done after it hangs might cause them with different issues the only person that could pay these things with me and I had to relinquish assets to pay them because I had that and I proved it there was never any mortgage fraud I was on a sufficient income bracket every year to prove that I could buy these things so for me to dispose the assets to pay what these people were looking for I had to do it but it took too long you're only as good as the goods you put in the market you need to find the people in the market that want to buy it and by that time it was a year down the line the properties were still on the market and I found a lot of people in the market that wanted to buy it but at that time it was a year down the line on the market and I found that people weren't believing me what I'm trying to do and that was a hand I was getting stressed out much did they try to do you for oh and I don't have much to try to do it was my liability James I had figures to pay and I was reliable for paying these figures what I didn't like was the threats and what they were going to do and it came to a situation where I was waiting on another set of uniforms coming up and I had enough at that stage because I probably had a bit of mental health issues that I know about now how to deal with it but at the time there was just loads of stuff I felt as though I was getting back down to the corner I felt as though they want me to go and commit offences to raise that revenue and I was prepared to do that people might say well that's your name for all and it was but the mental health that I had at that time was something which right minded people wouldn't accept I reverted back and they want a fight I'm going to give them a fight the next two people that come to this farm I'm going to injure one of them and I'm going to get another one they want this what the injurer is and they come back and tell their bosses I've had enough take what you want I go to prison don't come here and threaten me don't send your foot soldiers to come and threaten me and then that train I thought I seen two uniforms one day and I thought alright here we're going I actually told my son after I fell out with my son cosmetically because I didn't want them there to see what his dad's capable of doing I told him to go back to his mum I wanted to be on my mind cos I'm going to deal with this James it's just a hand of light I'm no begging myself up I just had enough and there was occasion where there was two other suits that came out of the farm I got them on CCTV I've got a weapon on me I'm not telling you what the weapon is but the weapon is there to be used and I'm going to use it and I opened the door and I shouted to them what the fuck you want now and that's why I turned around with his chest with his arm on his chest and I noticed it's a Gideon's Bible the Jehovah's Witnesses and I thought what the fuck and what was running through my head was of going in fact violence in his vehicle he's going to go over the news look what he's done to the men of God and I thought it was a divine intervention this stage to say you fucking calm down here this is no for you and usually these people I'm not being disrespectful to people with religious beliefs and things like that but normally they come in and want to spend two hours talking to you I did invite the man I put the weapon away and I thought you want to take a coffee? I have totally calmed after that and I thought wow I could have made the biggest mistake in my life it's funny now and I'm laughing I shouldn't be laughing anyway anyway I go at the man and offer them tea and coffee and the mindset for me I took this weapon and put it on the table where they had the coffee and they've looked at it and I thought sorry that wasn't for you I thought these were for somebody else after 10 minutes they want to go they're no funny as 30 and I'm laughing I shouldn't laugh but that's the corner I was pushed on that was something in which it's no right it's my fault I could have reacted differently but I took a lot of lessons out of the fact that these people came into my life at that time for their religious beliefs to come and visit me I thought there was somebody else and I was ready to deal with that situation and people might think he's no changed he's still got that saying I said I don't understand if you don't give somebody a fire accident what they expect it to be you push few at the corner you send agents to threaten you're going to take property you're going to disrupt bank accounts you're going to seize assets don't send foot soldiers because they're liable to get injured we've had enough thought we had a deal team you've seen no pole fairies community it was bullying James I'm no jumping on it it was financial bullying the bullying I had as a kid I could identify the individuals I can go and deal with them when you're dealing with an organisation who do you fight with some of the thousands of feet involved if they're selling enough to send foot soldiers to me I'll deal with it I'll not deal with the two of them one's got to witness what's going on is that right? I know it's not right but to me it was right at the time that put me in a bad place was that how far it took you to go to the jailpole and that was the HMRC thing that was just a couple years ago this was a new HMRC investigation this would have been 2018-19 I remember speaking to you about it that interview was done with you James that second one I done with you I shouldn't have done that interview my head was denied I'm just glad you were talking about different things gave me a release to go there but I couldn't duck the interview because it was a request can't say it to James I'm the one involved in this but anybody who's looked at the new book that I've done would be Steve Wraith and looks at any of the photographs my face was like I've not been racist here looked like a red Indian for America it was full of surprises through stress people might say well good for you I hope it was worse some people might say let's understand this guy where he's came from how he can come for a back and I'm not playing the violin James it's something which if I can't look at the bullying aspect and focus on who's going to get about treatment when it was HMRC it was involved in it they like to send foot soldiers and that's called the way to be it was a come on it was a fight it was something which we are going to do rest to you and I'm just glad my wife and my kids weren't there at the time because they'd have a naked passion that you can go there and cut the black bags that's my fault I'd rather sit here just now and talk about what I've paid and what I've helped to pay rather than having critics jump on and saying he's a bit rich there have been so many nurses so many doctors so many police so many fire brigade so many emergency services that could have been employed I've paid enough for a fucking fire brigade crew and I don't meet this person when I say that anybody who wants to fact check go and check HMRC frontline security Star Law Biometrics ProView CCTV Gyats recruitment all these companies that I was involved in that helped pay pay YC and NIC millions of pounds don't get any credit for it but because they flip it and Scotland gets its own devolved powers taxation they want to crucify me see the investigation in 2012 was that linked to the money? 2012 was the one with the body armour it was something which by the time I got a financial advisor involved in it and they looked through it the words were for all you've been given as a financial aid MOT here all the properties you've bought are sufficient don't hang you've no paid as you pay YA when I told them that when I discovered as an employee that this didn't happen with the P6 they formed I've just made a transition for coming through to what people call a series an organised crime environment an illegitim environment and I go to go and then make a complaint until authorities that this guy's no paid my attacks and if I'm prepared to go and do that which are the people that's going to think that's alive and well that was involved with me in criminality before I walked away they might think well if he's going to talk about that he might talk about something else would have put a threat on me so when I explained the reason for the delay in this explanation is because you're here now I'm now explaining it to you I fully accept that all yous these monies tell me how much I owe you and will pay it that's what the deal was and they were happy with it done deal and you think that's the end there no no I could only pay them so much it was a three it was a six figure sum I gave them sufficient amount by the time that deal was I was dealing with a case agent that dealt with the whole HMRC in the UK maybe 25 grand Scottish Devolwment and Powers for Taxation they want to jump on that and make me bankrupt for 25 grand after everything that's been paid and I thought this is just no fucking right this is not I'm waiting on assets to be sold I'm at the mercy of the market that sort of and I felt under an extreme amount it's gone now James I can talk about it now I sold the farm and the properties for 400 grand less than what I bought them for just to get the deal done I've currently lost 72 grand a year in income through security because they were wanting to get the individuals to give a statement under oath that I'm involved in the company and when I heard that I shook their hands and said I don't want you to go through this process I've had wages out of this for 15 years I'm doing one thing now shake your hand go and activate the sworn statement under oath and tell them yes I was involved in security but I ain't no because I try to take the licence off them try to take the bank account so because you mean it's just vindictiveness but the flip side of the coin James and being total honest if I'm a cop looking at me I would have done it I'd have used every resource to squeeze me whether I've been right I don't know is it today because of how they've been exposed in the past they don't like it probably it's not my fault they get paid for a job today with their then don't produce witnesses that are going to perjure themselves against me don't put drugs in my pocket and become a drug dealer don't try and fit me up for guns and jump behind a badge a kid on your stall a cop do you feel as if the squeeze you made because of who you are? I saw it today with politics James it's went beyond me it's went beyond exposing a rancid regime to the public through books trials and all the rest of it they've got to go over it no me did they think even though you've been at for 20 years now do you think there was a part of them think he'll make a mistake he will eventually get him and he'll bend you the famous one is a leopard can't change its thoughts a leopard is an animal I'm not an animal, people think I'm an animal I might have spots, it's called psoriasis they'll change what do you feel the mere pressure in life comes with all that the pressures are legit business or the pressures are the streets legit business 100 times it's kind of humbling experience you're on the streets you've got assets to if you need money you won't get money I don't want to speak too much about other things that will never be mentioned but in order for us to get money we're the best place to get money ready cash banks it's mad though innit you learn a lot about you and it shows you how fast you could have slid back into that with the pressure I'd like a lot of people done did you feel like a failure at that time Paul no so much a failure I'm involved in a new business legit business I'm learning about the pressures I'm learning about the struggles and I thought it's a hard transition in full respect to anybody who's trying to do it but what I couldn't understand was weird that you've got to declare your assets and your income and pay them up front before you earn surely that's a bit like a sheriff or not and that sort of thing it gives you a door before you even pay anything you've got to pay them before you earn it's not it's called pay as you earn no pay before you earn that's what I couldn't understand and the mistake I made is and I've had financial advisors but I did end up the one who's very good done the deal for me no mention is them Paul draw a line in the sand and we get this done and I did and I thought that was done and then when friends of the family came up to visit who were going to Northern Ireland for commercial reasons to buy tractors and plant machinery they saw my face betrayed how I was my face was unsightly a bit unsightly just now but it knows bad then because people say your eyes are the mirror of your soul my face betrayed how I was I would try to maintain a confidence but people who knew me looked at it and go what's wrong with you and when I told them about the threats of HMRC they went stop use your financial advisor and I did and I'll mention this guy's name Andy Green he bought me a couple of weeks because these conversations between me and these people will not get anywhere seriously and when I told Kim about having to tell Dean to go back to his mums because something's going to happen she was worried about me bit she offered a remedy and a business sense that I'm trying to find a transition and get involved and I don't like threats for anybody especially with facely fatal and letters and I just had enough of it but this guy Andy Green bought me six weeks and that six weeks allowed me to get my head together and see things a bit more clearly and deal with them down but the same factor still arises I've got properties on the market the market's only as good as a buyer you take fresh fruit to the market maybe somebody's wanting to buy fresh fruit but you get the belief in what you can sell you're subject to market conditions that's all it was because you've got the jail for it, Paul no, not for that there was nothing illegal they could have seized assets and different angles like that I could have went to jail for what my actions were going to do but if they hut you a tax bomb you don't need to pay no, it's nothing to do with that it's the tax but it's just you get back black last day there's no prison time involved James, I've been in and out of prison I've been a teenager prison don't fright me the financial thing it's the day where the threats it's the day where the bullying, the corporate bullying we're going to do that, you don't do that good I could have made a massive mistake then spent a massive amount of years for doing something that should never have been merited so there's always good fortune somewhere down the line now I can reflect and look back I want to give you the exclusive position what could have happened but never, but there's still that elements of pressure for understanding what the business pressures are about make sure you pay your taxes make sure you commit yourself but I'm not going to have anybody in government jump on the board and saying he never paid we lost police nurses doctors emergency services look at the amount of people who could have been employed if he paid to his bill I did so it's surely fair for me to say what I've paid is I've got all these people jobs I'd rather been in a position to say I've paid 95% in my commitments don't fucking crucify me for the other 5% and make yourself a big deal only because you've got executive powers in Scotland that's why I'm in England now James Scotland's got me up there on the top of the Christmas tree what a big one like that you're fucking getting you're getting whacked we're taking you the whole road and it's not for my tax position it's to David politics that their colleagues throughout the judiciary throughout the police force and throughout the prosecution service that never had the evidence to convict me other than the procured perverse fabrications and what they've tried to do they expose themselves I helped to do it for them so there's politics involved in it especially when they're all under a one roofing Gart Cosh when you mention Gart Cosh and you people fact check who's in Gart Cosh who's in this FBI headquarters they're all there you go to a canteen and don't talk to each other you kid me on always a case you get ferris get this bankrupt on day this add a position where I was getting information back financial gatherers who they remat working for the crown was to recover finances the minute they made somebody bankrupt they don't get any finance because they've done their job they've done it but what they get subject to was evidence gatherers and the same building who were serious and organized crime who were sent to the evidence gatherers were sent to the financial gatherers put them down liquidate them and they're saying no we're there to collect funds and he's got assets and what we're trying to collect why are you telling us to put them down because you've no got the evidence in your evidence gatherers for you to put them down yourself don't tell us to do your job but you can't do yourself so there's decent people doing the right jobs at the right time under that same roof and I do believe that whatever criticism people think I've got about the police and all the rest of it they're no awkward to some more than others the same way the prosecution service the remanis, manufacturing, procure perjurer's together of course they do but know them all the judge would he see they he sits and listens would there's a jury there they listen to debates like this James and read books and other trials no just about me but other things that were wrong they decide when they sit and listen now that's what they don't want to corrupt future jury members to sit there and listen to the evidence that don't question about more so for me I have challenged that the politics in Scotland that they're too vicious I've no run away I've just accepted a position in England to help people work because they're physically no capable of doing it themselves when I say physically no capable they're old and frail some we have transplants need transplants, some we have health issues that I've known for many many years and ask me Paul would you see yourself in the future and I couldn't answer them I was under comeback fatigue for 18 months trying to resolve my position and I said to him would you want me to do would you like to start as a yard management I'll not tell you what it is I'll tell you in private what it is but I took it on it was a humbling experience I loved it and I'm still doing it and I've no finish yet and I'll continue there still here to tell you too I want the next chapter Paul let's go on to we'll touch on the film first the wee man Martin Constance, please your main character I know we kind of touched on it in the first podcast but we'll touch on the film The Book's Regiment Guy what about the film when the idea came up were you excited for it what was your emotions to me it was just another I've been to you to help expose the corruption if there was 90% innocence in the movie and 10% showing the corruption I didn't mean to be happy with that anyway it's to shine a light on things that they don't want to shine a light on it's a bit like Erna, Dirty Laundry in public and seeing the big skid marks I'm going oh the neighbours going to see what that big Martin there draws on that was don't mean to be vulgar but that's just the way in which how I saw it so the film for me it's not a lot of people are fortunate to get a movie made about them to me it was never anything like that at all it's just can you get this bit of corruption if you get that and I'm happy with the rest of it that's basically what it is and you must be proud of Martin Newman that his careers just went into I did say if somebody's wanting to make another movie Martin comes in stock because just through the roof and you better have a big checkbook to make sure he's going to be part two but really it was never a sequel anyway it's a separate entity it's something in which Martin was approached to do the second movie he's moved on with the BBC he's done line of duty, it just finished that we thought that was a good time to contact him no for me to contact him it's to do a professional etiquette where Ray Budders and his agents contacted Martin Compton and his agents by the time we got some feedback he then done another six part series with Virgil the funding for the film is still there but people was building it around Martin Compton then the lead role but unfortunately and we respect Martin's view it's not something that he needs to do because he's done the first one no it'll been easier but there's probably an opportunity therefore a new upcoming lead role actor but whether it's going to happen in the short period or not I don't know I've always seen Robert Cullill playing a Paul Ferris man I think he's too old for me I met Bobby he's a really nice guy I think Robert Cullill would play a massive massive Rob Cullill really so watch us face it could happen I know you've got a lot of hangs in the pipeline which we're not mentioning but Reg McHale who will get a mention to Paul you're very close to Reg you still speak about him to this day he's kind of you talk about people giving you platforms and stuff like that you'll have him a lot because he put everything you have built up Well a lot of people might not know Reg was my social worker or privation of the use of England when I was 16 and he'd done two or three reports and never heard from him for many many years until he was wanting to write a book a new book about the black kill fatalities on the early 50s and 60s where the local people in the area were making their own alcohol and there's a few people who died and I thought at that time I've read an intelligence report on the data protection act and I thought let's write a book about this Reg believed in me and I gave him enough encouragement to show that his belief was right it was a sad loss the memory still continues he gave me a platform I never wrote the books for any financial reason because I know a lot of money you're not going to retire for writing books he gave me a platform to counter back my views let me have massive and discuss what needs to be discussed and if there was any elements slander and they booked in surely Adam brought a quote for anything that's not right because that's the way it goes and then the platform goes through yourself to him you've given me two platforms for me to speak about is cathartic red uses the word cathartic when I was writing about it helped me you're helped me allowing me to discuss me on your platform for other people to go and fact check and say he's talking absolute bang on or it's not for me to decide that the audience is a jury to decide what they want you'll get enemies throwing things on and soon there's no money but most of them are dead or retired anyway you'll get the odd what we call trolls wanting to throw a couple of things and we've all had issues with things like that but people who are genuinely enough looking to explore is this guy right or is he wrong what evidence can we check the internet sir and even if the internet's not there go to your local library go on and look at the news paper reports and you'll find how wrong the daily record and the Sunday Mail have been for years because they were the mouthpiece for Strach Llyfrid that made my mum cry on Sunday and now they'll be crying because they're now exposed but all the journalists are all retired and moved on but that was a deliberate propaganda approach to demonise me in the public without the nature of the internet search so if you want to go and search on media reports I'm no saying I'm an angel what I'm saying is I was reading stuff about me but it's never true and my mum was crying because of that and I don't forget that either I hear a man who certainly doesn't forget Paul would you think your biggest fight in life was being a jingles against the couples no that's funny stuff it's done I would say it was a score draw there was nearly one in and out it's either one each or two each the biggest fight I've had to know that's fucking that's fucking I know I'm swearing I shouldn't be swearing because one of the podcasts that I've been involved in is gritting it, you know I like to swear I swear they go it's weird James I get invited onto a panel where one's I won't spoil any for the audience but I'll make it available later on you might even be subject matter for an interview James because it's a panel it's totally different it's something which I thought you know what I'll mention it's gritty nitty and the fellow who mentioned the title I said why did you call it that he says because it's a bit above getting to the nitty gritty we supply the answers it's good it's an open debate and I think podcaster should be designed anyway for educational pharmacies moving on what is the message your message is quite clear you get to the core meet to who you're who you're subject matter as James and you do it well you've got 100 million views 100 million views on downloads you'll have billion shortly billion in the next three years but we'll have had a good report and I'd like to thank you for the last two podcasts the feedback I get is very positive James but I like there's not a lot of criticism in it I don't know if you'd edit maybe the replies coming back but some of them are they're all too good I like a bit of criticism but this one run I think it's only fair to let people go and fact check what's right and what's wrong what you don't find online you will get in the library what about getting married what age did you get married I've only been married once was that in the good years of your life that was when 2006 2007 it was brilliant first time I had a real family I felt secure moving forward the farm was bought because my wife went to the farm and I got her there's been a lot of things I've actually not seen my kids for maybe 18 months now it's that hard ball but Covid's played a part in it finances you've played a part in it but it's pressures that you've got to deal with now how are you dealing with things now then I've got a new opportunity a few more challenges I've got my cousin Kim and her husband Loos that's just threw me right under a bus and said get this yard sorted out for me provided me with bit of security bit of financial stability I need to earn James I need to get back into the game it's a bit like you with your boxing and understanding about boxers doesn't matter how many rounds you're in you hit the canvas two or three times some are orthodox moves that's been put me in the deck but I get up the fight's not over yet whether it's 12 rounds, 15 rounds fight's not funny I think that's the grizzga guy's a different man I don't see much grizzga to anybody with a bit of passion the whole thing about it is to go for you walk away on the basis that you had enough because that's a learning process not to be resentful that you're a loser no you took part in something you're either going by one or you're going by a loser I ain't a loser yet I've lost a lot of money paying a lot of people with taxis and during that process there's a lot of people that phoenixed companies James and when the phoenix companies a lot of people don't understand maybe what phoenix in a company is they use the word phoenix let the fictitious bird that came out the ashes and how they use the phoenix for companies is they dissolve companies and put the company into the ashes and then create something new with the same client assets we never have done that other companies did that they feel like it for dinner but we always get in play and there's always media reports about the phoenix and company it was just bollocks for years and years and years that we had to put away any company that I was involved in I never owned them I was involved with them they never spoke to the people who were registered in companies houses they just dismissed that what's always the point of having company house registers and directors nah nah it's no of theirs it's his so on that basis trial by media and if they phoenix it meets phoenix and we never had that we had a lot of rough times to smooth it over that's why there were so many companies and that's when we get into the Royal Bank of Scotland the main director Fred the Shred good one we get a cheque back for the Royal Bank of Scotland saying there's your balance let's jog on and for the benefit of people who don't know what jog on is it's you're not getting a hand for us we're no liable to tell you what's going to happen so I thought ok we'll go to the competition the Bank of Scotland nope Clydesdale nope Erdry savings bank we Graham Pearson attached it flip the coin let's go and see the Taliban but let's go to the Habib it's a bad day meeting up back for them and then it came to a situation where people go to understand the business concept about factoring and if people don't know how to factor invoices for a company for me it legitimised myself to get involved in business you need a business account and I've got one I refused three times that I thought I ain't asking again, fuck this and then the business accounts we ought to do if I'm doing business for you and I've got a factoring service that factoring service needs to check your credibility that you're going to pay me before they take that on we dealt with big multinational companies in Scotland that had to be cleared by factoring service and just how it works James for the benefit of the people who don't know the invoices that we get for the client that we do the security work for the invoices get collected and put back towards a financial institution called a factor that will take these invoices and charge you charge me at that time one and a quarter percent over base rate just for producing the invoices they will only give me 85% of the totality of the invoices at that time because we've got to get wages to pay security representative every week so they give us 85% so technically by the time you get it fourth week the invoices get cleared and it moves on when you get people at the spurious police intelligence reports in that were involved in money laundering technically that means that you've got money to put on your bank to launder we never put any money in a bank we were relying on the credibility getting paid for the factor for the client that gives us the money and when they did give us the money I could have went through that out in cash because I've proved where the clear source of ones is and I go at a stage that because the bank facility would never accept us the factor facility said fall see if you're money laundering son you're the worst one we've ever came across weird new your bank we'll take your finances on and they'd add until we had to change a company and then change another company wasn't he phoenixed it was just because of weak positions with bank managers who was listening to police propaganda that we were doing a lot of things and if we were doing all these things surely I'd be in jail right now for all this crime phoenixing, threatening, money laundering no, I'm sitting here talking to you explaining what happened in the past was that all the stuff that came into the papers and do you feel like you were a target, a main target especially if you've got directors there and they're skittin past the industry it was and one of the sad things James was one of the guys that was brought on board that I never knew him I'll just mention his name was Joe Joe was a financial guy he was involved in an offshore company called Keystone Valves a drilling multinational company an oil company in the Middle East he had a few personal issues where, no for me again but I think he lost one of his family and lost his marriage through and he went on to drink somebody had recognised his past wanted him to get involved with the finances of the security company which he did and one of the things I remember Joe personally in an operational situation was he used to chase off invoices on the basis that invoices should be paid within 30 days they don't, they get paid maybe 45 days if somebody's no looking at the invoices it could be 60 days, it could be 90 days so when Joe parachuted himself on to be the financial guy he's demonstrating to me what he's capable of doing right there's a multinational company that he's wanted to chase for I think it was 96 grand and he got the letter showed me the letter and then said to me Paul, I ain't even put a stamp on this I'm going to hand deliver it I went, Joe are you sure cos I was concerned we're going to lose a client I said what makes you don't want to put a stamp on it Joe he says cos they're upstairs he went out and hand delivered it two days later we get paid and I thought fuck you know it's magic we got my flat got my car got my fuel card, got my nice wedge there was nothing for business side that should have disrupted his flow but there was an investigation with BBC Scotland on the exposure of the security worse and there was a female involved and I don't mention her name but she bypassed Joe bypassed the directors wanted to speak to the owner of the company which was me which I wasn't the owner of the company they're saying I was the owner of the company and I went and done it when I spoke to Joe after that he made a complaint to the press complaints and I said Joe you're wasting your time no no no I'm a legitimate businessman and I said what I want to do go and do what you're done and he done it to put the complaints in and he just bypassed them and there was a few other things nasty things about the company and all the rest Joe was found in a bath one day he committed suicide no long after it but one morning got yourself dressed suited up shirt and tie that let me know that he wanted to be found the way he was dressed and cut his wrists and went into the bath never left a note but I was conscious of the fact that there was other troubles in his mind and I don't think that exposure and investigation help matters can't put any blame on the real cause yet but these are the kind of casualties that happened when people don't want to talk to the main directors that's involving companies they want to bypass it because they know better they know better than Customs House they know better than who the directors are they want to listen to the title title Sam Pollaners and they must shouldn't have mentioned that but I called her Sam Pollan for what she'd done and she was also involved in an underground exposure with Russell Finlay Sunday Mail journalist and I hope they done they went and done an exposure on a variety of security companies there was a girl Nancy Jones who said along the company Nancy was brilliant in sales Nancy was gain futile comfort Nancy's only remedy was that she got a contract to have it on bag or a Chanel bag she'd have told anybody exactly what it was but she did sell on the company which was wrong technically so they latched on that so the whole element of the propaganda I never owned them, I wish I did on them because I should have got the respect for the professionalism and how they conducted their business for these documentaries and films I said you're best in these companies videos in 40s, I think it was a 40s a little blood but it wasn't even hers I think it was her blood and no her man's in it I did say to Samantha Pollan when she'd done an interview I said you've got a budget for this documentary and you've got to justify your saying You don't sue them for that then for false information The problem is for your audience some of your audience might know in the other parts won't know people like me who have got convictions and went to prison or technically devoid any character in law because we're ready by definition of bad character by your convictions and even though I've known a conviction for nearly 20 years I'm still a bad character the convictions are not what they've spent that's why they pushed it with the security industry authority that's why I've known a licence to be involved pubs, clubs, taxis and I thought to do with that licence industry and the threats to people who that I was involved with in that licence industry was they'd go and approach them and say you better remove that security you're going to lose your licence we'll have an adverse effect for your licence sergeant that will put in front of your committee so somebody spent maybe a million quads regenerating a nightclub that's been told get me off the doors cost of going there I can now sit back and look at it and let people wonder what it is all about and how I survived it all as I blame myself my background was to David Mee my ripple effect is the things that I've done in the past I can't rectify it but don't crucify me for going straight what I'm trying to do and make amends for stuff I'm not going to make amends for other people I'm going to make amends for myself and my 20th year in anniversaries people say what is rehabilitation I'll tell them next year on the 21st of January rehabilitation is a myth I don't need the government to tell me I've been rehabilitated I know I've done it myself without any of their help and if they're prepared to leave me out of that vacuum what are they doing for other people who are trying to be rehabilitated so far what do you think they've programmed do you think you've moved past that and you've grown into another chapter of your life I think I've moved I've got to a level where when I was 16 I was criminally involved in serious and organised crime to where I'm at now there's an even balance I've spent the last 40 years 20 being involved in criminality and 20 going straight so and people ask well what's the trigger mechanism for that the trigger mechanism for that is if you want to spend the rest of your life getting into prison you've no learnt nothing that took me 20 years to learn that better late than never but what I'm no expecting is to be threatened to get put to prison for anything at all I'll go to prison for some that I believe in but I don't want to let that threat to go and do something physical to prove a point through a commercial situation that you were getting bullied I was mentally known toon rational people would be down but I'm sure that anybody want to listen to it and look at my circumstances and say you were fucking lucky you know what you've done it and I was a lot of rumours about the Paul Ferris the follow up with the wee man I know we've spoke a bit briefly there but what is the plans for it we're going to be seeing that in the screens in the next couple of years there's no a follow up with the wee man it's no a sequel it was something which is a stand alone the investors looked at it and said can we get six series out of that that covers Glasgow Liverpool, Manchester, London and then a Spanish one where my beer one it's a bit funny it's what you call the tartan mafia that was over there it was all about crime that was done wrong it was more of a humour it's a serious and organised not crime but very funny true stories and I think we apply that to crime stories it's funny then glamourised it's so funny that there's a six part here but what we're now looking at is because Martin Compton is now fully committed to the BBC as a new up and coming lead actor to come and take the role in it so that's not done to me that's done to Ray Burdus and the investors taking firm yeah we'll go with that so it's no a sequel it's a six part thing it's going on so moving forward for the future as well Paul what's the plans to get involved in the podcast again the Gritty Nitty sort of four man team thing can people watch this it will be on YouTube there will be a variety of different links I've asked to get involved in Well which is another project called The Street Pulse Group that's based in Stolten Trent and there's a mission statement and a business statement to be put to investors it's basically focused on not so much re-offenders of people who've been involved in crime it's the daily people with mental health issues substance abuse issues it's going to take a bit of fun and don't get it wrong but we'll try to get Bobby Cummings and a few other massive people to come on board with and it's something that I personally believe in I would actually pay to get involved in it but if I get paid for a consultant and it's fine but it's something which there will be more information forthcoming Jim's Do you think you've learnt a lot then all the last few years about the business side of things? No enough I should have had a proper adviser the financial adviser at the start maybe no I had half the problems but again even if I did have there was still been the political views on it's him he's embarrassed us in court he's embarrassed us in public he's embarrassed us in his film so I am a target for them and if I was them they would be a target for me as well but justify it remember their employees I'm my own boss they want to make the self up the level and get more of a pension for getting the guy that done the guy that seen the guy that embarrassed the guys that's their problem no mine I don't want to justify myself to anybody apart from my family my friends and people who believe in me but they people should understand that don't go at your remit for what you get paid for because it will come back and bite you in the ass wonder what about another book for the future not about containing the book on the 23rd anniversary it going straight initially we were going to call it Unfunny's business to business years because of recent issues where this is what happens when you get involved in contracts James with publishers that you've only got 25% you'll say it's my fucking life if I want to do an audiobook and I want to do another book about my life then don't tell me about my percentage on what I can say so I'm then the fairest conspiracy to my book my self-publishing my self-publishing audiobook that's going to cover the last 20 years and it'll be a conspiracy on the same one that the initial fairest conspiracy was about the criminal conspiracy where the judiciary were done to me it's never been addressed it's been out there in public people don't want to know about it there's been a few comments on it but the ones and the power that they don't want to even call it they don't want to get a review Unfunny's business put the conspiracy to rest was a tribute to Rage again they don't want to review it because the secret audio tape cranscripts are on there about threats to kill for senior official members of Strafclyde police police officers talking about modern members of the republic and I'm a member of the republic at that time but I wasn't acting as a member of the republic I was involved in criminality is that justified talking about somebody killing them? I don't know it's there for people to read and judge in fact checked again the next book run is the fairest conspiracy too is about Fred Goodwin, all the other pretentious people the pink mafia in Glasgow who were getting all the contracts and for building new housing estates and all the rest of it and I'm supposed to have dirt on them I don't want any dirt on them, only the dirt I had was on my shoe and they recognised that sometime you need to clean it the problem they had they never cleaned that and I get blamed for political insurgency, financial insurgency they'll read it in the new book and people want to fact check it again I'm no better I just want to put my views out there and leave it there When was the last time you were in Black Hope? I've done a review for Donald Macintosh for one of his documentaries I showed him I was actually born in Black I was born in 19 Hugginsfield Street in the bedroom you know you don't go to hospital I was born in that bedroom and all that for me was brilliant growing up total memories so the last time and then I noticed and I had to phone my sister and say you won't believe this they've got new houses doing it the waterfalls it was called Piss Alley people used to commit the problem I won if the public toilets were filled it was pissing now it's valley view falls it's growing it's a good regeneration but they took the heart out of the place but I think there's a lot of good people still in there and and full respected black kill and it's mastery and it's moved on about and fair play to them What do you think of Gleisgan the Homemade it's a fucking rough city Do you know what it's run by the series Norgannhau Graincwp which was Strachlyd Police they fitted up that many people all you need to do is go and research Ernivari, Tommy Campbell Joe Steele Raymond Gilmorth loads and loads of people if they never go to you one way they get in another way for me they knew I was doing things and get away with it so that's the Pirate's Pairdury aspect but Glasgow in itself I'm not going to shat in Glasgow Glasgow's a beautiful city I'm part of that beautiful city where they like it and all politicians, two-phase guns sorry for Svern, but they are they should elect people Tommy Sheridan totally assassinated verbally his character he could have been a big guy for the city but nah they want people in there that can massage and manipulate Glasgow makes people does that it doesn't need to be a pink sign I know you drank and posted a couple of things I know you knew more I know some of your family gems it's just people mistakenly get yourself involved I know you came through the streets so maybe that's why we get such a rapport that you know I'm through the streets I know you're through the streets and for clarification I've only met you two or three times during the podcast but I know your family, I respect your family gems and you've got a few personal issues for yourself growing up as much as you interview people as well James that have got issues that you want to cultivate and bring out to explain will we come a time for you, for me to sit down maybe for that audience and grit and that and say right James we saw this podcast million one billion views as well but you never know so it's something which you get a lot of James and you get the core material for the audience you're an entertainer you're somebody who's got a podcast for your agenda and nobody else's and I think we've got a good camera so it's good if I'm going to go on anybody's it'll be yourself probably out of the favour we've returned that you've given me millions of views but I'm sure I can return the favour help me hold you to that before we finish up brother would you like to finish up my anything yourself Paul on the request that you've made James online on Twitter about asking any questions to come forward the one that leaps out to me was asking why he shot Mick Healy's stereo if you're getting into a situation to have a serious discussion with somebody the last thing you want is irritating your ears is some music blasting it so maybe to neutralise that it might have been the right thing today but Mick Healy got dressed up turned out to be a really nice genuine guy and I'm going to move on and speak a bit further things during the trial for the bank robbery but Mick Healy was involved in because Blink wants to do an interview with me on how I've no seen him for 20 years and I think I ought to have made his friends with my dad and done a few other things so I think it's only fair that I explore a variety of things so watch this first yeah and the reason for that being they asked me quite before out James but I knew that you wanted to do the third and final one of you with this one and it would be a total disrespect if I go and do something, I don't do it I appreciate that but that shows your loyalty we've done free parts now but we've also got ideas and plans for the future Tom free to go and talk to other people Exactly mate, you're free now mate No, I appreciate the loyalty you've always gave me the respect you've always gave me you've always hid my back as well and that's how I know you're 100% mate that's why you respected all the UK We've also got your first live audience in Glasgow which we'll be doing in March with me and yourself James, I've never knew that until you declared that that's how you've done that but this is a live audience with yourself that I'd love to do I've started the events company on stage and show people meet and greet, tell your story and it's the first minute so why not bring in my hometown mate You're reliant on the audience an audience that's read the books audience that's seen the documentaries audience that's seen the film do they want a personal thing if it's there commercialised it's how your business why not do it I want to check my diaries here Paul, again brother phenomenal story very deep the day, quite emotional at times but I see you're in a better place as well but you can also see that Paul Ferris is always still getting that fire it's a control and influence that I don't like bullies I don't like to be put in a position with bullies so if I can accommodate an expedite, a decent remedy for everybody to move on that's sensible, that's a way to do it Paul, it's been an absolute pleasure brother Thanks again God bless you and I look to see what you do for the future with the books and if the new film comes out man Watch that space Good man, thank you