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This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday August 4th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Ms. Charlotte Henry, technology writer and broadcaster, journalist. I haven't talked to you since back in the Tech News today, days. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. So nice to see you and joining on your new home. Thank you. Yeah, we're having a blast here. Patrick Beja usually joins me on Tuesdays. So let me introduce him so that we can have a nice English-French debate during the show. We almost started this before the show. And it got a little bit... And so Tom said, no, no, no, wait, save it for the discussion. We are going to be talking about Twitter and the curation of news items that they are testing. And we've got various opinions on this, but let's start off with the headlines. Reuters reports Apple denied it is working on a plan to offer mobile service directly to consumers. The fact that Apple commented on something is the big news here. Business Insider, if you remember, posted a story yesterday saying Apple was testing what's called a mobile virtual network operator, an MVNO service, essentially renting carrier service for mobile phones from another carrier in the US. It also said they were in talks with European carriers about a similar arrangement. Apple issued a statement saying, quote, we have not discussed nor do we have any plans to launch an MVNO. That is the shortest quote in the history of quotes. Really, you can feel Apple not panicking because they don't panic. They just walk across like float above the ground in their Zen ways. But they definitely wanted their cell phone providers, partners to know that they're not going after their business. I'm just in short, but Apple actually said a comment publicly. As a journalist who tried to get through to that Apple press office, trying to get responses quite something. There's obviously something in this that they felt they needed to respond to. I think actually, we're sort of laughing, but it's quite significant that they needed to bat this back in a way. If you get anything, it's usually we don't comment on rumors and speculation. This time they're like, no, we haven't discussed it. We don't have any plans to do it. I guess they just wanted to make sure the investors weren't investing for the wrong reasons, or maybe they were worried about carrier relationships if carriers thought they were secretly planning an MVNO. I don't know. Exactly. That seems like the most likely thing to me. Don't panic. We're not going after your business. It's fine. I think the carriers they wanted to keep on the side. Well, Microsoft announced a lot at Gamescom in Cologne, Germany today, and here's the summary. Xbox One will get DVR functions in 2016. Xbox 360 backwards compatibility for Xbox One will arrive in November, starting with a hundred games, and will include all future Games with Gold games. That's the console subscription program. Xbox One will get the Windows 10 interface and Cortana in November as well. The chat pad is an accessory that adds a full keyboard to your Xbox One controller. There was one for the Xbox 360 as well. The Halo 5 version of the one terabyte Xbox One is up for pre-order today, arriving October 20. And in other Halo news, fans will also be glad to hear that the real-time strategy game Halo Wars will get a sequel next year. And of course, exclusive games. Mojang's Cobalt is coming in October, and we have Quantum Break that got a date for April 5, and Crackdown 3 and Scalebound are coming also in 2016. That was an interesting conference. I think a lot of people noticed back at E3 that they really focused on what's happening in 2015, which is great, but Sony had a lot of things, not a lot in 2015, but a lot of things to look forward to in 2016. And with this lineup, most notably Quantum Break, Crackdown 3 and Scalebound for 2016, it's looking like the Xbox One has a great lineup for both years now. So my recently purchased Xbox One is looking a whole lot sweeter on my TV furniture thing. It's a great announcement. And your TV stand, is that where you're going? Yes, not well, you know, the thing where you put the TV on, yes, the TV stand. I'm excited about the DVR thing, especially after Phil Spencer told the Verge, oh, we're not really thinking we're going to be a replacement cable box. I really think what they're saying is we're not going to be a replacement cable box, but over the air, great, feeding your cable in, fine. We will be the box of the future with Netflix and Hulu and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So that was the part that caught my eye here. But they mentioned it was for the free over-the-air TV, though. Can you record your cable stuff on the Xbox One? I don't know. They insisted on free over-the-air TV. I guess you know what, you couldn't, because you need to get the hoppage tuner in order to be able to tune the channels to record them on the DVR. So yeah, they're saying, forget cable, they're too hard to work with. Well, the things you would get on cable, maybe you're soon going to be getting through the apps anyway. So maybe that's what they're thinking. But yeah, great announcement. I think it's fascinating how these games consoles are realizing that with mobile gaming and all that kind of thing, they're having to offer more than just games. And okay, the games, the quality of the games, an Xbox One or a PlayStation or whatever PlayStation 4 are able to offer, you know, the graphical quality and whatever, obviously much higher than what you can get on a mobile phone. But they're clearly realizing to keep their dominant, you know, their strengths in the marketplace and keep giving people reasons to buy them, they're having to offer stuff. And actually I think they are, these big, you know, Microsoft PlayStation, the big gaming companies are trying to be the box in your living room. They want to be the box that you run everything in your living room. And I think that's really exciting because we're getting much more bang for our buck with these boxes now. Yeah, it's a great point. I would expect Cortana on Xbox to eventually be able to do things like turn on your lights, close your garage door, you know, any of that home automation stuff. It's not that they want to just be an entertainment hub. They want to be your home hub. Well, I'm excited about the games. It's the games that matter. And the games are cool too. Not saying they're not. And Gadget reports the discovery of a flaw in OS X by iOS jailbreaker Stefan Esser that allows attackers to gain root privileges and install software without needing your admin password. They use a file called the pseudoers that controls whether you need a password for particular commands. This used to be walled up, but in Yosemite, they changed the way they store the file and that opened up a flaw that allowed malware to be added to it. Esser has offered his own mitigation, though many sites are cautioning against using non-developer fixes. He's got a great reputation. It's not like he's a malicious guy. But Esser also says himself that the vulnerability has been fixed in the beta version of OS 10.10.5. In Gadget reports, ICAN released its draft report on transition in its governance away from the U.S. Department of Commerce. ICAN would create a new legal entity under contract to handle administration of the Internet's address system. A customer standing committee would monitor performance and review complaints. It would be made of industry, academia and government agencies as well as protocol management groups. Operational changes to the foundation of the Internet addressing system would require approval of ICAN's board of directors, so it wouldn't be completely out of the picture, I guess. The public has until September 8th to make comments and with a target to begin the transition in July 2016. What do you think of this, Charlotte? I feel like it's a pretty good structure. It all comes down to who they allow on this customer standing committee. Yeah, I find this whole, the whole way we're now having to administrate the Internet. This, I mean, this amorphous thing that is the worldwide web, the Internet, the way we all connect and communicate now. I find it absolutely fascinating. We've seen governments could, my own here in Britain, try and crack down on the type of things you can access online and the type of, you know, some very, quite restrictive snooping laws that the Conservative Party in the UK wanted to bring in and sort of many parts of the Labour opposition were quite happy as well. So, I mean, it's fascinating that at this big global level we're having to deal with this with just a small group of people. Yeah, I guess the structure does seem sensible. For me, we're going to have to wait and see and have a look who gets in and, you know, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, I think, with this, you know, what those people do and what they're going to say. But it does kind of worry me how short that consultative period seems to be. You know, just over a month for quite a big decision. Yeah, it struck me as a bit short, too. I mean, in the US we did the open Internet guidelines over a period of, I think it was five or six months, I don't remember exactly, but it's quite a long time. And this is a much bigger deal than that. This is the entire Internet and the way the domain system is running. Which is quite, I mean, the Internet is quite a big space. I mean... It's a bit there. It's pretty popular. I think it's going to catch on. I think it will be a thing. The thing that does worry me just a little bit, if you have to be a contrarian, is this third group that they're integrating, which I understand they have to integrate. Government agencies. Because it's not like the government doesn't have already... Governments around the world aren't doing things to constrain the Internet somehow, depending on where you live. And I'm wondering, again, worst case scenario, is this inviting the wolf into the sheep's pen? Is that the way you say that expression? There are great pains to say, no particular world government has influence over this committee, but then they do want to allow European Space Agency, for instance, to be part of this because they want CERN. They want CERN to be involved in this, right? quasi-government agencies. So they need to allow NASA, etc., to be involved without opening the door to wider government influence. It does seem to be a good way to make sure that no single government anywhere can change the way the domain name system works, but like you say, Patrick, that customer standing committee is where the pudding that Charlotte was talking about will have to be proved by eating it. Exactly. And on this podcast we do like eating pudding. Yeah, seriously. It's not a joke. The BBC reports the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the first 3D-printed pill, the drug called Spritam from Aprescia Pharmaceuticals, controls seizures, usually used to treat epilepsy. Printing allows for more precise dosages to be packed more tightly into the pills, and that means dosages can potentially be printed to the exact needs of the patient, so you wouldn't have to do any pill shopping. This blows my mind. I think it's absolutely amazing the way 3D printing is going. I mean, it blows my mind since I can't actually process that you could print from a printer a pill. I think it's absolutely extraordinary. Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me knowing how 3D printers work with the layering. Like, well, of course you'd be able to layer a pill, and then you'd be able to control the dosage. It's fantastic. And one of the few times I can say the US FDA, which my dad railed against his entire life as a food scientist, actually did something quickly and first and good. Well, you don't know. Maybe they submitted this, you know, five years ago. Well, yeah. Okay, fair enough. The LA Times reports that India's government said Tuesday it will partially lift the block of 857 allegedly pornographic websites. Information and Technology Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad said only sites carrying child pornography would remain blocked. So that's just an update from yesterday's story. They walked that back fairly quickly. Recode reports MLB Advanced Media head Bob Bowman says that the company will start marketing itself under the new name BAM Tech to investors with the hope of spinning it out from Major League Baseball by the end of the year. In advance of the plan, MLBAM has signed a six-year, $100 million deal with the National Hockey League for rights to its digital subscription products and cable TV property. Now, if you don't know this, MLBAM already operates the back end not only for Major League Baseball, but ESPN, HBO, WWE. They usually get paid to do this. So this would be the first time that it would pay to operate another league's licensed product. That's the one that you guys talk about from time to time saying it's actually a fantastic streaming service, right? Yeah. I mean, HBO now launched on this, and that was a big test right at Game of Thrones time, and it passed with flying colors. I'm an MLB TV subscriber here in the UK because obviously we don't really have TV channels that we can subscribe to ESPN, but if you're a baseball fan, I quite enjoy baseball, so I subscribe to it here. And actually, I think the services, I mean, it's a really, really good service. We don't have an equivalent at all for UK sports. The TV rights for soccer, for football are just too valuable to be put into one company, so we have various broadcasters battling for those rights. But actually, I kind of like that baseball, you know, your national summer sport goes on this one platform that actually is very tech-savvy, and you watch it on your phone when you're out and about. So, I mean, it'll be interesting to see how this affects on the consumer end, what it does for viewers of baseball, baseball firms. Yeah, and Major League Baseball Advanced Media has been a pioneer in lots of things regarding online video, so hopefully that will continue. Yeah, it's great to see a company that could have been resisting this kind of thing very much, actually taking the bull by the horn and coming out ahead, so much ahead that they're now using this new side of their business as an independent company. The Wall Street Journal has the review of ESPN's five new Echo Tank printers that have containers to hold approximately two years worth of ink. Since ESPN won't be making money selling you constant replacement cartridges, the printers themselves will be more expensive. The ET2550 is $400, and the ET4550 with fax, really? And Ethernet is $500. Excuse me, I have a question. Does anyone still use faxes? Yeah, we all have that question. What is a fax? It's the thing where you email a page. It's actually the thing that you have to use if you buy a house in the United States because apparently real estate agents haven't discovered email yet. Oh, so that's who it is for. But this is a great option. We've all been complaining that our cartridges last basically two days, and you have to go back and buy them for an exorbitant amount of money. And the real tragedy in this is the ecological consequences of this. Absolutely, yeah. It's great to have the option. I'm sure the cheaper ones are still going to be around. Wall Street Journal estimates that you actually do save money by doing this over the official cartridges, but if you're the kind of person who buys the unofficial cartridges, you probably are spending a little more money. So at that point, it's whether you, A, trust those unofficial cartridges, which don't always work that well, and B, whether you're more concerned about the environmental impact of it, or just the ease of not having to constantly replace cartridges. We get a lot of great stories submitted at our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. A big thanks to everybody who does that. Several of the stories you've heard already were submitted there. Abituella Condolce submits a lot of great stories. She submitted this Engadget story about DOT, a Bluetooth 4.0 smartwatch with an alarm, messaging, nav, and of course time, all displayed in Braille. The interface is a series of pins that rise and fall spelling out words as the user puts her finger on the face. It can also teach Braille as the percentage of visually impaired users that no Braille is actually fairly low here in the United States. So that's an added benefit. It will cost around $300 with pre-order starting later this year. It's very cool how technology has seemingly, I don't know because I'm not visually or audually impaired myself, but it seems like since the event of the smartphone, things have been becoming more and more easy for visually impaired people at least. Very cool. It's a nicely designed watch too. Yeah. Captain Kipper notes the Telegraph article on the publication of Bell's Aldrin's expense report after a business trip for NASA back in 1969. Among other things, Aldrin disclosed use of her government spacecraft to travel from Cape Kennedy to Moon as well as return flight to Pacific Ocean. The form claimed $33.31 of out-of-pocket reimbursement likely for using his car to get to Cape Kennedy. Aldrin also published his customer's form from the trip listing cargo of Moonrock and Moondust samples. I love this story. This story made me really happy when I read it this morning. I think I sent it over to Tom as well. Actually, I saw it. The first thing I did this morning was go on the Daily Tech News subreddit and I saw it there and it made me smile. Actually, the International Space Station has just flown over my house as well as we told this story. That's fantastic. Good timing. I really love the fact that do you guys remember if you're old enough in the 80s and 90s we used to say that no one remembers the name of the second person that walked on the Moon? I think now he's almost more famous than the first person. We're going to move on, I guess, to our Twitter spot. Buzz Aldrin has actually used social media in an amazing way to humanize himself and to tell this amazing story. What he and Michael Collins and Neil Armstrong did was extraordinary. Actually, he's used. He's not sort of disappeared. He's realized that people want to hear that story. I think it's amazing. That's why these kind of things like he could have ignored that the expenses report. But it's a fun story. He said, look, I told you I put the expenses claim from it. They wouldn't have given him $33 if he didn't really go there, right? Exactly. I mean, never mind the flag. Here's the expenses form. Yeah. That is the true bureaucratic proof of any trip right there. That's a look at the headlines. All right, let's talk a little bit about Twitter's experiment. You may have read about this. It's been going on in Japan already for a while. And today it's apparently showing up for some users in the U.S. If you've got an Android or an iOS app and you're in one of those countries, take a look. Your Twitter app may have a new tab called news that shows trending headlines. If you tap on one of the headlines, then you get a screen that already exists for brands that has an image, a headline, description, and any top tweets related to that particular news story. That's one of pre-approved publishers. Charlotte, I know you don't like this idea very much. No, I really don't. I don't like the idea of Twitter creating anything for us. What I loved about Twitter when I originally came onto it is that you organized your own information feed. Maybe, okay, so I know as a journalist, it's basically my personalized news wire. That's how I like it. So I find the news sources that I want, the journalists, the people that I want to follow, and also, you know, you start finding people on the ground with certain stories and people in companies, all sorts of things you can find. But you make your own news feed, whether that's through making lists, whether it's through who you follow, but you decide. Twitter, I really don't like the idea of them deciding the news that's important to me. Why it was so good and why it's so much better for news in my opinion than Facebook, even though Facebook actually drives more traffic because you create your timeline and your news feed. Whereas Facebook used an algorithm from Mark Zuckerberg to decide what you want to see. And I've always, I think Twitter needs to be very careful, but if it's going to differentiate itself from Google, from Facebook, then it keeps that core, which is in way part of its charm. So of course, I disagree with you, mainly because you're British, but also I have reasons. I would say a couple of things. First of all, Twitter has been very careful in the way they are nurturing that difference. They've been very careful in the way they've improved the tweet with the kind of things you can add to tweets with retweets and links, attachments and photos that don't completely change the nature of that. Same thing for the while you were away section. I hate that, that is the one. I'm sure you do, but you really don't have to use it. You can click the little X thing and it goes away, and if you do it too many times it actually goes completely away. You never see it anymore, right? So they keep that choice for people who want to like Twitter for what it is. And again, here with this feature, it's a new tab that you can choose to go to or not to go to. So it doesn't alter your experience, but what it does do is that it provides an easier point of entry for the wide majority of the population of this planet that is not hardcore Twitter users like we are. It reminds me a little bit of when I was working at a video game company and we had a public that was very vocal about what they liked and what they didn't like. And the thing to realize is that those that are really into your product are going to be talking about it. But there is a huge majority of people who either are using it less or aren't using it at all that are going to stay silent. And you have to think of them too when you're designing your product and thinking on how to improve it. And the thing is Twitter is kind of stuck at this point. They have, what, 300, 350 million users and they really have to grow their user base if they want to compete with the bigger powers of this world. And they haven't found a way to do that without making it more accessible. So I think the real question is do we want Twitter to evolve and become more inclusive or do we want to and the other alternative is valid too, do we want it to remain the same but stay at this size? I think it's better if more people use it but that's my opinion. I get that Twitter needs to be more friendly for people who are new because it can be overwhelming at first trying to figure out, well who do I follow? Where do I go? What do I look at? I've had family members who just abandoned Twitter because they're like, I just don't know what to do with it. So it's good to have ideas that show people, hey here's what's going on on Twitter. I like trending. I like that it's saying, hey here's trending news. I like pulling that out and saying there are lots of things on Twitter that are trending. These things are news things. I think that's fine. I think having an algorithm do it is perfect. What I don't like is it just drawn from pre-approved publishers. So to me that's where I start to go back to Charlotte's side and say I don't want Twitter deciding maybe because somebody has an advertising relationship with them, this is what's important for you to see. Yeah and who decides the joy of social media is that you can find new news sources. You know a story from a well-informed blogger can compete with the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Times and the telegraph in the UK can compete with those big traditional players. And that's what's amazing about Twitter. And Twitter is particularly good at this. You know, a medium post from people you've never heard of that are beautifully written that gets sent around Twitter. A fantastic source and I'm worried some of that would be lost with this when Twitter decides what's valid as a news source or not. Well, I would argue that for people most people including ourselves but maybe even more for people who are less tech savvy and familiar with interesting sources you usually follow people you already know. And yes sometimes they will retweet someone that you didn't know about. But you know it's in your circles. And that again, that is not going away. But maybe a curated list of pre-approved publishers doesn't have to mean it's only the New York Times and the Verge and you know those huge publications. Maybe there are going to be news items that are from another publisher, a small blogger or someone that they think is interesting just in the same way that you know we're having a problem in sorry I'm drawing comparisons from different industries here but in the music industry one of the issue for many people was that there was no discoverability because you would listen to the things you knew. I think Twitter might have an element of that as well if they publish stories from publishers that are interesting to them that you might not have thought about it could bring something that you didn't know. Well there's a quality fairness balance that needs to be struck. You can look at tech meme and Google news as two examples. Google news is very egalitarian. If you make a blog post and it's popular enough and gets linked to enough it'll show up in Google news. Doesn't matter what company you're part of. There are certain things you have to do to register yourself as news but for the most part it's anybody's ballgame. Tech meme on the other hand says you know what we know who does good stuff we'll still bring in somebody's unknown medium post if it happens to catch our eye but we're going to curate it and make it a little more valuable so the people who are good at gaming the system don't get the most attention like will sometimes happen on Google news so I get where Twitter wants to try to avoid this turning into a gaming of the system sort of thing but I guess I want to see how it works in practice which I don't have it yet before I say well it's okay to have pre-approved publishers because again it just sounds like keeping some voices out that might otherwise get exposure. But it doesn't replace your newsfeed, right? It's just something more that you can go to but it has that name news stamped on it, right? I suppose so but again I guess as long as it doesn't replace something and if it's good maybe it isn't but if it's good to bring ease people into the Twitter ecosystem I guess what I would ask Charlotte is I don't see where the harm is if it doesn't replace anything My theory is that eventually one it could replace things and two you're going to drive clearly but before in the top news bit of Twitter you're going to drive more traffic than if actually organically people pick up your content, your news content I mean first of all isn't it fascinating that for us the most people Twitter is now about news it's not about Facebook is about your friends Twitter has really found its niche in news you know we saw it in the World Cup big sports events it's fantastic news events the same you normally find out news events from Twitter before you find them out from cable television news so I think this is just proving that Twitter has realized it's strong suit it's game plan is now all about delivering news quickly and accurately and interestingly to people How do you feel about Project Lightning which is their plan to curate live posts as these events are happening like award shows, sporting events etc but again we already have this Storify does that brilliantly people's live blogs do that brilliantly Twitter is sort of Twitter is turning a I'm going to redo that so the Twitter is sort of trying to turn itself into Facebook and get its tentacles it's all different things and where it was so good it was that it was so organic and free and people built it themselves and actually I don't want a Twitter algorithm deciding what is the news or not and yes Patrick is completely right doesn't do any harm lose an ear like me can go and have their own news feeds and spend time setting up their tweet debt lists and be sad like that and that's fine and that's cool but people I think when you're introduced to Twitter you should know it's perfectly free to pick your own followers in your own lists and actually they've got much better of that introductory opening of saying people you should follow here is people you know want to know they have made that entry point a lot better and I just don't like them competing with the Google you know Google cards, Google news, those kind of things I think they do other stuff really well they don't need to I don't see why we need this product and actually I think it the values from the core of Twitter well it's an experiment so hopefully they'll learn the right lesson from that which is a different lesson depending on whether you should learn so I guess Charlotte what you would like is for new users to just get Twitter and understand what it is now and use it as it is which is fair enough I know I love Twitter so no no no I think but I don't think Twitter is actually that complicated I think that's why it's great okay there's a few friendly things with putting a full stop here and you know what's a quoted tweet what's a retweet I get like less with all these tech things it can be a bit jargony but actually like when you sign it on Twitter.com for the first time it has got much better making that approach and I think you can you know it's very easy to find people that you like to follow on Twitter so I don't I think it's that point of entry has become much better and I don't think it needs to sort of dumb itself down I think the freedom of it was what was so charming and fantastic and fun about it all right let's move on to our pick of the day Dwayne from Germany has another one he said I'd like to recommend everyone listen to Hunt the Truth podcast if you're into epic tales this is one to listen to it follows the story of Master Chief leading up to the upcoming Halo 5 game Dwayne says could not stop listening it is so good with fantastic production quality on par with the were alive podcast if you know it it's if not that's another recommendation happy listening and he sent it from his windows phone he wanted to make sure that we knew that as well so thank you Dwayne have you tried to hunt the truth Patrick no I got my Xbox one a few weeks ago to play the Master Chief collection because I had never played any Halo game I have to say Halo one is a little bit rough but at Nerdtacular people recommended I try Halo the ODST which is much has kept its quality a little bit more and they also recommended the were alive podcast so it seems that everything coalesces into a bunch of recommendations I absolutely have to follow send your picks to feedback at DailyTechnewshow.com and you can find my picks at DailyTechnewshow.com slash picks now our message of the day comes from Christian he wrote us in regards to yesterday's discussion with Veronica about Hossain Derek Sean's piece the web we have to save it bears a little on what Twitter is doing with news here Christian says something the article does not touch on but is also a direct result of social media streams is the end of attribution now that so much content is in line as opposed to being linked to I found the consumers of that content often have no idea who actually created it and seldom bother to find out that makes it much more difficult for content creators to build brands for themselves but even more tragically it often disassociates content from what might be critical editorial context he says the most extreme example is when people mistakenly take stories from the onions seriously but there are infinite numbers of more subtle instances in fact the next time you hear someone mention an article video or image they saw online ask them the source and you may find they cite Facebook rather than the actual creator removing content from its editorial context severely diminishes the richness of it and increases the tendency of the modern web to be both an echo chamber and a novelty engine now Christian says will adjust the fact that Hossain's piece is getting so much attention is reason enough to be optimistic but Charlotte does that is that also one of your fears is that if Twitter starts sucking up and doing the curation I think Christian has a point about that as well I think he made a great point I think that was a fascinating message because I think he's absolutely right people think Facebook has sort of made itself a new source but it isn't it's just taking everyone else's content and I've never quite understood the you know Snapchat to me is a perfect example you know I've seen the Daily Mail Buzzfeed loads of pretty big publishers and content creators are putting stuff directly onto Snapchat how on earth do you monetize that who on earth owns that content what is going on I think this is a huge issue that publishers are having to face we know where the auditors are they're on Twitter, they're on Facebook they're on Snapchat, they're on YouTube thank goodness they're on YouTube come join us on YouTube but actually who particularly in the case of things like Snapchat and Vine who owns where is this content coming from and who gets to decide how do you monetize it how do you make all these environments available well it's definitely a super difficult question and regarding the attribution I really like Reddit I often post Reddit content to my Twitter feed and I'm one of those I guess old fashioned people that at least attributes it to Reddit with a hashtag and usually I try to post the link along with the picture or things like that but the question is somewhat similar to the issue that musicians have been having for the past few years where they think yes we might not get paid if people share our stuff but I'd rather share the stuff they love and people will end up finding me and this is free advertising kind of and they didn't share and in some cases attribution is going to be an issue but if you see for example a piece of webcomic that you like a few times in your Twitter feed maybe one time it's going to have that link to the original website and you're going to follow it and you're going to find out about it in a way that you wouldn't have at all if people weren't sharing sometimes without attribution so I understand the concern I think it's completely valid but it's not only negative I would hope it's not only negative I guess alright we finish up with a call from Big Jim now Big Jim works in the import-export industry and I don't mean that as soon as that came out of my mouth I realized it makes it sound like some kind of nefarious thing he works in the industry of customs and all of that sort of thing and he was very interested in the story yesterday about China putting export restrictions on supercomputers and drones so here's what he has to say hi Tom, hello Roger it is I Big Jim on my way home from my new job after a hard days work heading into Hangar 18 and I just wanted to call in and talk about yesterday's show with Veronica and speaking specifically about drones you know I found it interesting that the conversation went towards hey look there are other countries that could make drones that would be able to be wind stabilized and fly for over 30 minutes or fly for over an hour and sell those around the world and the interesting is why is China restricting these drones for export and is there any export licensing or laws that would allow these drones to also be sold after the fact in the U.S. for example we have export restriction laws where certain pieces of technology cannot be sold for export at all they can only be sold to certain countries or they can be restricted to certain individuals they can't be sold to certain specified parties and the interesting question is what is China trying to protect and or what is China actually looking to get with these restrictions but that's just my two cents reporting live from just outside of Hangar 18 I'm Big Jim Thanks Big Jim, good questions probably leverage is part of this so the ability to go into some trade negotiations with some restrictions always means you could loosen those restrictions as a bargain controlling your military tech for instance the United States put some restrictions on supercomputer parts recently I listened to that story yesterday it made me think of I think it was PlayStation 2 when it first came out it couldn't be exported or imported because it was so powerful that it could be used for missile guidance and that made me smile I'm sure those restrictions are going to go away soon and that is it for this episode of the Daily Tech News Show Charlotte, Henry, thank you so much a pleasure as always I appreciate you taking the time to chat with us today Thank you so much for having me I really enjoyed it and see Patrick and I came together in the end you know, strong European Union Yes we teamed up together Yeah, that was actually impressive and I'm glad I was here to witness it it was a good metaphor hopefully the rest of the world could follow that Charlotte, where could folks find you online what should they look for you got anything in particular you want to let folks know about? So my own blog is charlotteahenry.com and I'm at Charlotte A Henry on Twitter I've also started writing some tech stories and some tech features on a new site that's growing in the UK called CAPEX CAPEX you can check out what we're doing there as well we put together some pretty interesting business stories and there's some tech I'm doing some of the tech for there and a few other places as well but if you follow me on Twitter my blog you'll have more than enough for me twitter.com slash charlotteahenry and of course twitter.com slash not Patrick is where you find Patrick Bezier what do you got going on I guess frenchspin.com for my English language podcasts we actually recorded an episode of Pixels the video gaming show which I do every two weeks we recorded one from Nurtacular with a bunch of guests like Jeff Kanada, Scott Johnson Garrett Winesrolls Terpster, James a bunch of people it was super fun and we'll have another one next week with a lot of news from Gamescom so check that out check that out as well you are probably not one of the people who supports the show since it's about 25% or less of the audience so you should thank the people who do at patreon.com slash ace detect or maybe through PayPal or Bitcoin or some other way for making this show possible and if you would like to become one of them you can if you get some value out of the show we just ask you give whatever value you get out of it back dailytechnewshow.com slash support our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can give us a call 51259 daily that's 5125932459 listen to the show live Monday through Friday at 4.30pm eastern at player.alphageekradio.com and visit our website dailytechnewshow.com we're back tomorrow with Scott Johnson talk to you then the show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program great show Charlotte thank you so much great fun we enjoyed that he shouldn't know that it scientifically improves our life if they are a patreon subscriber is that science? it's science right you can't argue with that it's been peer reviewed actually I got someone who sent me a very sweet email a couple of weeks ago saying now that I'm a patron I'm so happy when I listen to the show because I know I helped make it possible I think that scientifically it raises your happiness absolutely we got some titles at showbot.tv separation of net and state the 100 years tech war xbox 361 because of the backwards compatibility fax? really? well because they're still important I think they're still the only government recognized form of signature outside of you physically signing in front of them I don't know I've digitally signed stuff and sent it I have no idea what fax is I just remember signing my mortgage papers I had to fax it directly well that may be true Charlotte are you actually serious? no I genuinely don't remember when I would have sent a fax in my life the last time I sent a fax was when I bought a house that's why I brought that up we used to use fax when I was working in the movie industry we would have scouts send stuff by you know physical email photos and stuff like that of locations we would send faxes to rent them and stuff like that but you can never know when a fax had got through you'd send stuff and it would disappear and either maybe it got to the person maybe it didn't that's why you needed to have them on the phone as you were doing it are you getting it? did you get it now? I mean it's just crazy I actually like Twitter's tentacles everywhere as the title ooh nice alliteration I like we choose to go to the mood not because they are easy but because we will get reversed if we do but it's a bit long if it were yeah it's actually I'm gonna vote for it anyway just because it deserves recognition can we make through a small amount of we go to them not because it's easy but because we get reimbursed it's getting there it's a good edit it's just too good to let it go I think yeah I know we go mood not because easy because we get reimbursed mood no easy get reversed how about just say moon reimbursed I think that's a little bit too far now we're starting to reduce it you guys don't like Twitter's tentacles everywhere do you want me to vote on it? I'll vote on it I'll raise it by one where is it? it's number three not three but I voted for it as well but you know it's the same it's the main topic too yeah yeah I guess that's why separation of net and state couldn't I'm gonna put the moon thing sorry is your baby eating you? she does a lot of things she pinches me, bites me grabs my hair but she was just grabbing on the headset so I was just pulling it off actually I was thinking about what you were saying about the the china drones thing you brought up a very interesting thing I didn't consider initially is that the trade aspect because right now the US and what 12 other countries are going through the trans-pacific partnership free trade deal every major country in the pacific is included except China so I'm wondering that might it really seems to have something that is not sustainable on the long term because I don't buy the must-maintain security China is known for selling whatever you want even the stuff that the Russians won't sell you they'll sell you everything must go in the soft Russia wine city is it? yeah I was going to say Charlotte I'm going to put we chose to go to the moon not because it was easy but because we got reimbursed in the show description it will not be wasted darker dimmer too good to let it go so did you go with the tentacles? yeah who doesn't like tentacles? someone with tentacle phobia I'm sure there's an actual phobia related to that it might be a phobia for babies alright well I'm exporting the show and Charlotte you're welcome to hang out if you want if you need to go go don't feel like you have to hang around what time do I have? I don't know it's like quarter past ten here yeah wait past my bedtime I tell you well then head to get some sleep get some rest so you know that was really good fun thank you for having me I'll post it up on my website tweet out and stuff excellent and we'll have you back if you'd like to come back yeah that would be great fun looking at this cross burgeoning cross channel yeah cross several channels on this episode it was great be interesting see if they bring that twitter thing to the UK if it works out for them I think they're gonna bring it everywhere yeah my guess is it must have worked okay like Japan must have been their first dabble and it worked well enough to try it in the US and then if it works there they'll bring it everywhere I guess and Charlotte will be sorry and sad so I'm mad about it uninstalling twitter apps right and left leave my twitter alone Steve this is what tech companies do I don't understand when things are good we don't do something new people will get bored let's do a new thing that's not really necessary well with twitter in particular the investors are beating them up saying why aren't you doing more to get new users yeah it's and they're not making a lot of money are they I think that's the problem they're not they're benefiting they're making plenty they're comfortable the investors are just greedy well they have enough to live on I mean they're probably gonna be fine right they could afford a nice place yeah I feel like Jack Dorsey and Biz Stone bank accounts are gonna be okay yeah that's for sure I think they're probably alright but stop ruining my twitter go and play with square if you need to play with something leave my twitter alone well that's a good question right was this a Dorsey thing or was this a Custola thing that's still just you know hanging around but Jack Dorsey's not gonna be able to hang around all that they don't want him to become apparently wrong they pretty much said that like Jack you have to leave at the end of the night well he could he could abandon square and dedicate himself to twitter but I don't see that happening squares like his little baby that he wants yeah although it's it's not doing as well as he hoped it would have done initially so maybe he's gonna come back to twitter because it's bigger that's one product that changed that I got me upset I love the geofencing on squares wallet and then they just killed it they said it's not working we're out this square come at all into France Patrick I've never seen it in the UK no I mean I know it's available but no one uses it the best you're gonna see is people in conventions I guess using it for you know to sell their small wares I've never seen it in the UK what about those the kiosks you go to in in the plaza that sell scarves do they use square there Patrick well those are super hipster people so it doesn't count you mean scarf Plaza that one yes and famous scarf Plaza it's next to Barry Plaza right next to it the scars are a thing on the on the frog pant networks where we officiates yes scarf are you scarfless today Patrick well it's like 34 degrees in Paris so 34 being what aren't you worried about getting too much sun not what I'm inside more now outside of course but do they have like a summer scarves the summer scarves are the winter scarves sir we do not compromise a style for comfort so I guess athletics scarves are out have a little earbud holder so you can run your iPod we leave those to you know once the Americans start using scarves I'm sure they'll desecrate them with these kinds of arrangements we'll put monster trucks on them well we'll actually do one that's refrigerated you'll have like little cooling in the scarves and straws in places for your beer oh god bare scarf that would be the green right think how good that would be it's perfect get on that Zoe in the chat room is asking if she can interest me in the crochet scarf actually my wife is making one for me oh is she yeah started doing it that's great thank you Zoe can't believe it's 34 degrees in Paris the weather sucks here I laugh because you know English people their misery amuses me and our obsession with the weather wow just wet there huh well it was easy sorry now you're making me feel bad it was a joke okay I love English I'm gonna cry myself out some of my favorite friends are English some of my favorite friends are English it's not their fault they were born that way we were here eating slightly bland of food I don't know that used to be true but now with the whole curry scene at the very least I have to say I went to England a few years ago and had curry my friend told me this place is nice come and try it out honestly it felt like I had never eaten curry in my life before it was so wonderful I discovered something so it should really be a little bit more careful when I make fun of English cities at England invented their own curry and it was a Tik Masala comes from Birmingham there you go Tik Masala is good too good job Birmingham they invented that one I think I think it was a way to sell it to the native population it's like how do we get people to eat this stuff well our level of spiciness might be a little too hot let's tone it down a little bit it's actually the same way at least in the US you go to a Chinese restaurant there's at least 24 items I look at I guarantee you no chance especially if it glows or it's deep fried English Chinese food is just entirely made up I mean it's just nonsense if you have Netflix there's a great documentary on that called the General So's Chicken and it goes into the entire history it's like a little documentary trying to uncover where General So's Chicken comes from because it doesn't exist in China even though the general did and I was highly unlikely he ever ate anything remotely you know like that food and it was basically an invention by Chinese immigrants to sell a food item that was relatively inexpensive to make with the chicken but at the same time the customers would like and come back and what's interesting is there's like a variation there's no master recipe of General So's Chicken and it's weird because then they tie it back to this Taiwanese chef who supposedly created in Taiwan but then brought it over in the 60's into the New York food scene and I guess another Chinese restaurant stole the idea and they just kind of ran with it and made it popular so we basically took all the food and ruined it it's pretty good it makes money that's really the important thing it's weird how the food styles migrate like that the weirdest restaurant I've ever eaten at was an Italian Hong Kong restaurant in San Francisco someone in Hong Kong had opened an Italian restaurant and looked it to the Hong Kong palette and then people from Hong Kong had moved to California in large enough numbers that enough of them would want to eat the kind of Italian food they remembered from back home and so opened a store in San Francisco it's weird it's the same reason why pretty much every Japanese restaurant in the Bay Area is run by Koreans there are very few Japanese people left in that business if you know anything about restaurant business the margins are super thin but restaurants are one of the things that immigrants start up because it's the easiest to do and other than having your waiters talk to the customers a majority of the staff don't so you don't really need to learn the language and you can do what you need to do the Japanese restaurants are usually managed by Chinese people it's a thing it's a thing the French restaurants in California are all managed by the English that's not true I just wanted to scare Patrick that's Tom that's not even funny you don't play with my heart like that there's an English person involved though oh there is like funding it or at least getting the idea right dirty themselves with filthy letters that is fine Roger just keep them out of the kitchen friends always make us to sort them out at some point keep that thing but listen really some of my best friends are English alright we're going to stop the broadcast now thanks again everybody for watching and I hope you enjoyed the videos and I hope this one didn't get munged by the YouTube encoders have a good day