 Hello, you guys welcome back to another fun little coffee chat with my friend Catherine Edwards and today we are going to be talking about this the 60-day shadow work challenge that starts this Saturday and teachers versus cult leaders Such a big one such a big one and very very timely I think Yes, and before we get into that topic at hand guys I'm just going to let you know so if you have not signed up for the 60-day challenge and you want to sign up for the 60-day challenge you are going to have to email me at shadow work challenge at gmail.com I will put that email address down in the description box below If you did email me, but you haven't heard back give it like 10 hours because I have to go through them all But if you still didn't hear back email me again Also, I know that some people think are under the impression that they did the 30-day challenge back in November that I Was just going to send them the 60-day challenge You have to email me for it. I can't I don't have a mailing list It's just coming through the actual gmail account So if you were under that impression that the template was just going to be sent to you You have to email me again, and then I'll send it and also I don't want to bombard people's emails with a 60-day template if they don't want to do it so And I've also gotten questions So if you have a friend or family member same as the 30-day challenge, it's never too late to join So if it gets past Saturday and someone says I want to do it Have them reach out to me great fantastic This template can be used over and over and over again. It's mail to you So it doesn't you don't have to stick to everything that's lined up with every day You can shift it as you need to shift it. It's no big deal But you do have to email me for it to get the template But before that being said before we get into discussion at hand I do just want to show you guys something here quickly So day one is on Saturday this Saturday January 21st. Normally, we don't Start challenges on a Saturday because Saturday is typically the rest day But because of what we're trying to do astrologically with some dates We had to start on Saturday with that being said Emmy Simpson our friend Emmy says Simpson who is one of like Catherine is One of the sponsors one of the sponsoring channels in the in the template or in the 60-day challenge She is going to be offering a group Reiki class. It's a private class. It's not on camera This class will help you establish your intention and prepare your energy for the 60 days to come If you would like to participate this class starts at 2 p.m. Eastern Time so what Catherine's five hours ahead of us over in England So that would be 7 p.m. For the UK if you're an hour behind that's so make sure it lines up that it's 2 p.m Lined up with the Eastern time now I asked Emmy this morning if this class was a free class What what was it going on and she said that this was going to be a donation class So if you want to donate $5 that $10 whatever if you can't donate right now, it's totally fine come anyway She said if you're not financially in the in the position to donate Then all she asks is that you pay it forward and you just do something kind for someone else that day Okay, and he's amazing. She's definitely not somebody who's gonna turn anybody away So and she's gonna be doing these more frequently these these group Reiki classes. So she's awesome She's done Reiki on me. So if that's something you want to do the zoom link is in the template I will be placing it up on my community tab Friday evening Eastern Standard Time so the link will be there as well. And yeah, and there's so much stuff to do I mean, it's I printed this out and it was like a freaking novel So alright, so Catherine, where do we start where do we start with this shadow work? and we were talking for a long time off-camera this morning and I am going to be starting to cover some Colts or high-controlled organizations on my channel I know that when people venture into spirituality, they're looking for a community a lot of times when people start to go on a spiritual journey the people in their lives maybe have different belief systems and so they feel like an oddball and they just want to feel normal and so they'll reach for different communities and Unfortunately because humans are vulnerable a lot of times people end up being in very dangerous situations with with a manipulation from a high-controlled organization and this can be done on I covered a cult I filmed it yesterday. We released a couple days where it started on YouTube. So we're gonna be covering nexium We're gonna be covering Scientology all these different organizations that had really good people that got caught in them and so that's something Catherine I I think a lot of us kind of have some concerns about this We don't want people handing over their powers. So Catherine I'm gonna ask you in your experience in the many many many years that you've been working on yourself and your learning lessons You're setbacks your breakthroughs if you could just tell a new person who's new to this journey What is the biggest difference in your opinion between a teacher and a cult leader? It's such a good one and I think it's very complex because The people that are cult leaders have a very good understanding of how the human psyche works So they can be incredibly manipulative and very very good at covering their tracks as well But some of the red flags I look for are when there's an over control if you're not allowed to disagree Yeah, the thing so this whole great awakening spiritual awakening whatever you want to call it to me One of the key things is is to encouraging a questioning mind and yes There are different ways that you can ask questions So you can ask questions with a genuine Willingness to want to hear the answers or you can ask questions in a telling clothes fashion So if the if the teacher you're working with is not encouraging questioning of a lot of what's being taught then that would be a red flag to me the other red flag would be where the boundaries are really crossed between being a teacher and having that professional relationship and Then trying to interfere in other areas of their lives or trying to get involved in their personal life, etc Now I will say there's a but for this because I've been teaching various different modalities for a long one And some of my students have become really good friends, but there's no controlling there There's no saying you can do this or you can't do that So I teach quite a few different therapies for people, but I don't ever say yes They to pass they have to reach a certain level of competence to make sure that they're not Dangerous and they know what they're doing But then I absolutely encourage them to put their own spin on it and to put their own energy into it and do things their way So with the cult leaders, I think as soon as you start to see people that are prying into your personal life That are trying to separate you at all from other modes of thoughts or other people And even teachers that are not practicing what they preach So if you're working with a teacher and let's give some obvious and things to say you're doing a nutrition course You would expect your teacher to understand and be demonstrating that they're eating healthy themselves if I'm doing a yoga course I would expect the teacher to have a very Well-established low yoga practice themselves, etc If people come to see me and I'm teaching about how to look after the animals properly and all my animals are unhealthy and unhappy Then I'd expect them to run a mile, you know, yeah, so those are some of the key things and I Think at the moment, it's very hard because We've sort of all everyone who's been speaking up and trying to sort of shine a light on some of the control That's been happening have been encouraging people to do their own research But you start off very clearly a lot of people are being isolated from their current family groups friendship groups Communities etc and therefore that puts you in a very vulnerable state to be taken advantage of and One thing I would encourage people to do is not to be ashamed if they feel they've seen this ask someone You and I often bounce ideas off each other. There's a big difference between Gossiping about someone in terms of talking about someone when they're not there with a view of trying to Influence someone else to think the same as you or saying hey Bryce I've got this uneasy feeling. What do you think is it me? Is it them that let getting someone else's opinion? So anytime someone tries to isolate you as well from getting other opinions. That's a huge red flag I will say that because one thing I noticed that's very a lot of these different high Controlled organizations will have different subjects that they're revolved around like you can find it in the fitness world You can find it we find a lot in the spiritual world. You can find it in the medical world, right? It's everywhere But like a lot of these groups will not let you seek outsource other other modalities And that's he like in our Shala where we teach we have a stack We have a box full of all these different business cars of of good trauma therapist We know of good Reiki healers. We know of good nutritionist. We know are you Vedic doctors? Woffers you name it the whole gamut we have all these different business cards of other Healers that are not associated with our Shala. We're not we're not kickback We're not giving each other money These are just other people that have other modalities of healing and when it comes to some of you know In the yoga world when things really get triggered from past traumas. I Think we've done a really good job of Listening to the student and seeing what's happening with the body and saying This is past. This is out of my wheelhouse. I really think you should consider it's going to see a Therapist or if therapy isn't comfortable for you go to see a Reiki healer Just I'm gonna pass you off to it's almost like sending someone to a specialist, right? You know and I've noticed that a lot of these high controlled organizations if You dared to go step outside of the realms of the organization And that's that's a problem and I think you're really you're really you're right about the the the boundary of the lines being blurred You know, I've been very lucky in my life I've had incredible teachers that never crossed that line, but I can see where that line can be crossed now I have also on the flip side of this been a narcissistically abusive relationships Which a narcissistically abuse abusive relationship as Andrew Gold on his podcast said it's a cult of one Yeah, it's the same mechanisms just an organization versus one person. Do you feel like you're walking on eggshells around the leader? Do you feel like if you fall out of the graces with the leader that you're gonna be punished? I've never felt like I was gonna fall out of good graces with my teacher I've I've asked, you know my teacher so I'll give you an example. My teacher in India is very strict He's a very hard teacher But he has boundaries He doesn't get involved in our personal lives if you go to ask him a question if you're going through it Let's say you're going through a divorce or let's say some things happen in your life That's really big and it's changing the direction of your life and you need some guidance And so you go you book a meeting and one-on-one personal meeting with sure I first of all sure I will never speak about what you'd say to him outside of that room ever Nor will he ever hold it against you or bring it up again in the yoga room second of all He never tells you what to do. He literally talks to you in metaphor Through the and let's you make the decision. He'll say well, what do you think you should do and that's huge? That's huge. You know, he'll teach us about Brahmacharya Which Brahmacharya is basically like don't be a slut like don't sleep around with a bunch of people because it's karmic You're sharing karma, but with that being said he has no idea who any of us are boinking He doesn't know like what our romantic life is like. He doesn't ask. I don't think he cares You know, he never I was looking back at Keith Ranieri's videos where Keith Ranieri is laying on the sofa So fun like hanging out with his clients. You would never see sure I'd do that. He's always very professional You know, very professional very it's very much and I will say too another good thing. He does is if you have a couple a husband and wife That are practicing together at the shala Let's say they're both authorized teachers as well and they've applied to assist sure I'd at certain shifts assistant That's great learning opportunity. Well, let's say that I'm practicing in the shala and And in India and my boyfriend is assisting sure I'd at that same time that I'm practicing or vice versa My boyfriend can't go anywhere near me He has to stay on the other side of the room and vice versa if I'm a sipsisting and he's practicing I can't go anywhere near him. I have to stay on the other side of the room There's a boundary there because you can't blur those lines. You can't blur those lines between teacher and student And and that's and I think that's important because I mean look at Keith Ranieri He was boykin like every single Manipulating the women through sex through all that kind of stuff and it's it's I know another another thing You have to look out for some of the big ones our sleep deprivation a lot of these people will demand so much from you that you lose sleep We get up early for Ashdanga, but my teacher wants us in bed by like 2 p.m. In the afternoon And I'm not joking like he literally will get if you if you don't get enough sleep He'll say something too like you need to get more sleep so that you're you're Mentally stable they'll they'll restrict your food your food intake. So they're doing things slowly over time to dismantle your cognitive skills and it's it's an gaslight you too like if You're in a situation where you're not comfortable with something going on and you say no They will a leader will kind of gaslight you into doing what you're not comfortable with and if I was in KPJY and in India There was a posture. I was struggling with and charot was strict on me doing it If I was showing that I was hesitant, he would pull back and say why are you feeling hesitation? Why are you fearing? He would be strict, but he would not force. Yeah, there's a big difference and I'm laughing at a couple of things because one Without giving too much where though well luckily the video that I did talk about this was on my first YouTube channel That got deleted so my good friend Kelly with us lovely lovely lovely Kelly So her and I met when we were working with a coach back in 2019 before this happened and then we went on a retreat in America and That person running those retreats was actually Bunking a lot of the people and everything and it was so obvious when you went out there It was so obvious and in terms of was it dead just caught but this had a really damaging impact On a lot of the people who he was coaching and you know people can undermine it and say how can these people be so silly Well, the whole point is when people often try to decide to do shadow work Or self-development work or work with a therapist or a coach It's normally because they're looking to upgrade an area of their lives or do was some trauma So then don't bash the people that are looking to to help themselves when they're in a vulnerable state it's so easy to to put the blame in the wrong place And when a couple of the women did speak up about it, they got absolutely hung drawn and courted and it was disgusting to see Because people were saying well, you're an adult. They didn't rape you, you know consent. Well, what is consent? Now, I I think this issue the reason I'm asking is I've been in so many situations over the last couple of years Where if you dare to question Let's take an example with mr. T if you dare to question or start to have a debate about why Certain things have been done then You're hung drawn and courted or your count does not a proper patriot or you're not a real, you know Cartridge it so there's a lot even in this community Where you are not allowed to question certain things and whether it's about people Or whether it's about, you know, sort of the organization or the decisions that have been made And that's a huge way flag for me as well And it's not coming from mr. T by the way It's coming from the people that are trying to control and manipulate you to think and just Power up fashion with people what they're saying to make them And I'm telling you it terrifies me and that's part of the reason why I wanted to offer these shadow work challenges Just because I want people to do things on their own to regain that sense of critical feat Listen god the universe or a spirit whatever you want to call it Gave you a brain the brain is a very important function of your body just like your heart Just like your liver just like your colon and part of the critical part of critical thinking skills is critical thinking critical thinking And and yes, and I I know Catherine. We've talked about this a lot There are a lot of red flags in our truth or community of people on youtube who are behaving Like cult leaders and it's terrifying And I know and I see it because when you when you come out at this we're living through such A very interesting timeline where so many of us see all these things and we're seeing things And we're desperate and people think we're crazy. And so we're clinging to the fantastical We're clinging some of the things people are saying on their shows are so batshit crazy and out there and people are clinging to it And then if someone questions that They're considered a bad person just because they questioned it Absolutely we're losing that that touch of reality and you know even with the template itself I've said this with shanti and morne who are also sponsors a bunch of us You'll see it on the welcome list all the channels that are sponsoring This shadow work challenge. I said up for you is very it's very thorough But with that being said i'm not as the person who predominantly wrote it I'm not asking you to do everything on the on the page It's simply for you any of the questions I've asked you for your journaling. It's just for you I don't want to see your journals That is just for you and if you feel and I say multiple times in this shadow or challenge if it gets over Overwhelming reach out for help to a therapist to a reiki healer Whoever you feel comfortable with and they can refer you if they need to You know and and it's it's some like I've said before with the the food deprivation Like I'm not I even say in the beginning that I don't really necessarily want people weighing themselves because I feel like that Can be distracting and you're not your weight and the only thing we talk about with food on this channel I'm encouraging you to not eat meat, but we're also just looking at the dosha system You know, but I even put in the challenge to get a proper diagnosis of your dosha You need to go to an aerobatic doctor so they can take your pulse Right. I'm pretty good at diagnosing people, but I'm not an aerobatic doctor Right. So if you you need to go seat I want to outsource you to someone who is trained in this and so these are red flags It look at the charismatic leader because that's also huge huge with colts is that Very good point actually That's narcissism So someone can have charisma and be super cool on camera and all that kind of stuff But charismatic leaders are bigger than life people and they're usually people that that other people want to lionize They want a hero worship you should not and that's different from having respect now I have respect for my teachers. I have a lot of respect for my teachers I give them a lot of credit for what they've taught me. I don't lionize them though I don't go and grovel at their feet I understand charot and india my teacher in india I have a very a very critical of the fact that he's an indian a bravin indian and i'm a white girl from america There are some cultural differences in our lives And so i'm not going to go to charot and ask him his opinion on something that's culturally different From how he was raised and I was raised because i'm probably not going to agree with them And his advice or his metaphors are probably not going to apply to to america, you know But that's my critical thinking skills I still respect the hell out of them when it comes to him being the palm guru as my teacher But that's interesting. Sorry. I just wanted to say just point out there hold that point folks It's the fact is is when you are going to a teacher or anyone to work you through it's been really clear with yourself And I think it's a really good exercise to say about what your expectations are For that and that is really really important because if you're expecting your teacher to become your new best friend Then there's an automatically a problem there either way. It's going to not be a great experience for you Yeah, and that's um, and that's this and that's my you know, even my my american teacher who I would get More his his lifestyles more aligned with the cult. We're both american, right? He's from philly Um, david gree, they're still he really did a good job of like when something was going on personal in your life He would talk to you about it, but he did a really good job of not overstepping those boundaries Todd does a really good job with that as well, you know, and it's that that we and I will say, you know, we see it too So in ashtanga yoga, you know that the the um Prescription is that you do this really crazy practice six days a week Now for somebody who is dedicated to ashtanga yoga Then yes, I would encourage the practice to be your main modality of healing because that's what you've committed to and that's what You want to learn from however? There are so much stronger teachers that I see as a red flag where they say you should not be doing anything else because This is your practice when students come to me as a teacher and say, you know I've noticed that I like to run but I notice that if I practice the day after I run my hamstrings are super tight Do you think I should give up running? Well, first of all, I can't make that decision for you because your life is your life So what I typically say to the student is do you enjoy running? Do you like it? Do you have fun with it? Well, yes, then why would you give it up? So what if your hamstrings are a little bit tight? You should never be be be giving Your life with an organization with a youtube channel with a self-help group with a fitness group, whatever it is a medical group These are supposed to be practices and organizations that help you Enhance your life. They should not become your life And there's a guy he's got a great podcast It's called the mormon stories podcast and he interviews he goes because he left mormonism He goes through a lot of this stuff and i was listening to one of his interviews with the teal swan situation her Organization and he made a really good point He described it as a meal when you sit down for a meal It's about the meal the salt and the pepper are just seasoning to make the meal taste better It's the same thing with self-help organizations with religion with spirituality your life Your experience as a human is what's important The what's your learning from spirituality? What's your learning from medicine? Whatever it is. That's only supposed to enhance it It's not supposed to become your life. It shouldn't dictate every waking minute of your day You know, I I know in a lot of these high organizations. They will they'll like I know nexium did this I was listed that they'll say you know people who are close to their families. They say, oh, you're just codependent You need to break away from here. And so you become so controlled By this organization Where in like ashtanga yoga people are only with us for like an hour or two a day the rest of the day They're doing their thing, you know that so there's these these subtle differences You know Yeah, and I think also there's a reason why your gut is called your second brain So you were talking about how important The brain is for critical thinking it really is and we've talked a lot about intuition But when you look at these things you're meant to be using all these signals that come to you You're not just if you're just using your brain if you're just using your intuition The whole point is you've been given all these senses all these tools to use in combination And sometimes you'll want to use some more than the others I mean, you know, I've had experiences where I was qualified in certain therapies and they were going to Approve me to be a teacher. Well, they did approve me to the teacher and then I got the documents through and it says I had to drop all my other therapies and it's completely ridiculous because there's never one healing modality There's never one solution. There's loads this this world is absolutely full of so many options for everyone And there's loads of good different ways to heal yourself physically emotionally to contribute to the environment It's like I see it a lot in the holistic healthcare world. You can get Completely fanatical about it. So, you know, I've had people that are so against Vets or doctors that they'll let their children or animals suffer and not give them any pain relief And I'm like, well, no for god's sake give your animal all your child some pain relief And then you can do the rest of the feeling naturally But if they let's that line there with their leg hanging off You've got to give the poor things some pain relief first, you know, it's like all of these things should never be the be all and one all When you're looking at whether it's the the religions or any belief systems Any time it becomes this is the only way No Just never happens. It doesn't there's loads of different ways to get fit. There's loads of different ways I get really annoyed in the um, I'm just about to publish a really good interview I did with a someone who's gone into a whole plant based food eating But I'm sick to death of supposedly top health people saying it's impossible to be a healthy vegan It's very possible to be a healthy vegan not everyone wants to or or chooses to be or or should be But that doesn't mean that no one can be so that to me is another example of when you're saying it's my way's the only way It's just ridiculous to me and it's a big red flag and those are little examples But it's those little ways that they get you in And erode away your intuition and your critical thinking so that then you become very susceptible And it's also making sure and that's one thing I hope to that people start to understand when you give all your power to a charismatic leader Or an organization you're looking for them to rescue you And the only person who can rescue you is you a teacher's job It's that whole saying you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink A teacher's job is to anchor you in the practice I have to be very strong for my students to help them work through it But they have to work through it they do and um Guruji used to say this and I think it's fantastic I used to say one time telling two time telling three time god telling So there comes a point with good teachers or good leaders where they will walk you through the dangers They will talk to you about things, but eventually you have to let karma play out You have to let god tell one time telling like I can tell a student just in a very easy base Like like they're doing something on their math That's going to hurt them like they're going I can say a couple of times Like you need to not do that because you're going to end up popping your shoulder out Like let's re we work this but if they keep doing it eventually I have to just let it happen You know because that's that's the learning experience and when when uh A charisma charismatic leader is not allowing the god telling or is using god as as if they are the only voice of god You're all everybody's a prophet everyone's a medium everyone's that you know and that's what I love about like lineage based practices is that Isn't it's not saying you're not that either It's just saying there's a process of the education that you're going through To be able to understand what it is that you're delivering To the people that come after you in order to help them realize that they are that as well You know and so and so that is uh, it's just it's just very concerning. I mean and I I get it I get it a lot of people watching right now. You've been Excommunicated from friends and family. Perhaps you've lost your job because you didn't You know zappity doo-daw, you know with the rest of everybody and I get it And that's such a very vulnerable and upsetting place to be and then all of a sudden this charismatic YouTube personality comes around and they they pretend to have all the answers And all of a sudden you're meeting people on the internet and it feels fancy It feels good because you now feel supported But be careful be careful because at the end of the day it's about you It's not about the leader. It's not about the teacher's job is to eventually not be needed That's the job That is a really important thing and and you know you it's absolutely It's also really really healthy To work with someone for a little bit of time and then go your separate ways And that doesn't need to be there shouldn't be any drama in it either That should be a sign of a great working relationship. You know, it's like When you go into your first job and you you know, you go into your first job And normally you'd start at the bottom and then you gradually work your way up If you want to if that's something you want to some people choose not to and that's exactly the same as what's life's been Is these relationships you step in and out of them for certain periods of time when you need it and then it's fine to walk away from that and I think also when people are offering various different healing modalities as well You know for me And this is just my personal thing. It's about how do I know if I want to work with someone? Do they make me feel empowered? Yes, it's really really important or do they make me feel That they're going to save me All right, I have to walk on eggshells and I have to lie and I do you feel like you have to praise them I don't want anybody. I'm just a person. I've had an incredible life. I'm so grateful for the life I've had I've got the opportunity to travel the world many times over and experience incredible teachers and learn about myself And I'm so happy that I now am a position to share that with people But I'm just like you I'm not I'm just I'm just I'm just I'm just educated in this area, you know And so and so yeah, I don't want people there's there's a difference between having respect Yeah And and feeling like you have to worship them and I see my teacher gets uncomfortable When people start to like lionize him he gets very like Uncomfortable and I'll say that's a really good point. Catherine Is the teacher or the leader able to let you go without any guilt? When I uh, I was in a conference once with David greek. I give that man He literally was the most life-changing teacher more so than charat I mean, I let David greek and I still keep in touch with him He comes to Atlanta all the time to teach, you know and at aya do guest spots He's a he's a master teacher of ashton yoga And I'm so grateful that he was my first real big teacher Well, there comes a point when I decided that I wanted to go to kb I wanted to apply to go to kbj yi at that point I was making the decision to transfer teachers And the thing about getting into kbj yi now is that you have to have letters of recommendation You have to have exonic experience before you can apply And so I had to tell david that I really wanted to apply to kbj yi Can he write me a letter of recommendation and at that point david knew that I was he was I was moving on to charat And somebody had asked david in a conference once. How do you feel when your teachers move off to india? He goes, I feel fantastic Because I it makes me emotional It's like I got to be that person That opened that door for them. I make that Like and he's like, I just I just am so grateful That I was the person that was able to Show them that they can do this And follow in the steps that I because he lived in humans He's an indy for a long time as a younger president. I think he's close to 60 now You know and that made me so emotional on his seat and I genuinely felt that like when I Messaged him about applying to india many many many years ago. He was so unbelievably supportive And even to this day, even though I'm authorized now, I can still go to him And I still venerate him as and respect him as one of my teachers if I there's something I'm confused about I have no problem texting him and saying hey, I'm really what what's your advice? You know and and so I just that's such a good point Catherine I really want to make that clear to people if if the person that you're learning from Or you're interested in or has this organization if they are making you feel like They have to praise you and if they are if you can't question them Or if you can't uh, if you can't transfer to someone else If they make you feel like there's something wrong with you for that then there's nothing wrong with you There's something wrong with them because most people healthy many people will respond the way david agreed didn't say I'm just honored that I got to be a part of this process and I helped that person find this within themselves You know so and and yeah, david. I think I said this for you too like david People questioned him all the time in conferences and and if he didn't know the answer to the question he'd go I don't know Let me get back to you. Let me think on that. I don't know You know, he had he was so smart in his philosophy skills were incredible to teach that But he he would let people ask him questions and if some people there was one question somebody asked in a conference that had to do with children I won't get into the What they actually asked because it was very deep and david's not a parent and david said I can't answer that for you Because I am not a parent and that is your children and this is your you have to figure this out for yourself He was very clear that that he was not going to answer that question And so just yeah, you'll notice those things about people You'll notice whether they're egos involved or whether they're literally just trying to help you and be strict with you because of the benefit of the modality they're using Yeah, and and the other thing is is I think um Difference between a teacher and a cult teacher a teacher will always be a student As in there's no good teacher that I can ever think of that doesn't recognize That they are always a student themselves So yes, they might have they'll be teaching some people and things and passing it forward And that's all I see teachers and forwards is like that gift of being able to pass it forward like the shamans of Of old, you know, this is the thing you don't want to lose this knowledge You want to pass it forward and each person that gets it grows with it and grows it in a positive way for everyone's benefit But every good teacher will also be continually learning themselves. They never get to the stage where you think I've stopped learning Um, quite the opposite and that's where they like being challenged and asked questions because it opens their mind to thinking Well, actually, I don't know what about this. What about, you know, a different side of things and it's really really important You know, there is no we've said it so many times before black and white thinking is a Is a serious problem There is no simple answer to most solutions and and there's all the different shades of grey in between And I think it's really important for people to realize that Yeah, so but as we wrap up guys, I just want to go back on look, I just want to show you again on this template So again with every single day Um, I'm not I don't I only have a yoga a few times here. I've got multiple multiple different exercises for you to pick On days between different bar yoga kickboxing. So this is in this thing. It's in your pants Now again with all these questions that we're asking you and this you don't have to answer everything Okay, so don't if you find yourself. So this is a good after everything catheter and I have spoken about If you're someone that has the propensity To try to make other people happy Here's your challenge Don't try to make any of us happy try to make yourself happy if there comes a day and you don't all you do Is you know do some warm-up exercises. There's something great. That's what you did Great awesome If there is a if there's a challenge on this challenge on one of the days that you're not comfortable with then don't do it I don't if you're not comfortable with a certain a certain challenge that I've put on this or katharine's at it Or emi's at it or shanti's at it that you're not comfortable with Then don't do it. It doesn't mean that you won't ever go back and do it again It just means right now. It's not the time for you and that's okay You know take your power into your own hands when it comes to this because You need to start practicing like where do I listen to teachers for advice on what what they've learned versus? Where am I giving my power over? You know here for sunday fun day? Let's look at this beginners You have options. You can either do a ten minute zumba dance You can do jame fondas low impact aerobics or sun salutations You can or if you've been practicing and exercising for a while if you just want an easier day You pick one of those or you have a couple of other talents of other suggestions down here as well You know so don't ever feel like You have to give up over completely give over yourself in order to have some sort of validation Because at the end of the day You were with you and you alone and at the end of the day You were all a fractal of god at the end of the day We're just walking each other home and we're learning from each other So do not hand your power over to me to katharine to emi to any of the people that are sponsoring this Challenged don't don't give your power over to any spiritualist any youtuber any Preacher priest rabbi don't give that power over to them Because you are just as worthy as a human being as they are They just might have more experience than you in certain aspects and that's that's the only That's the only type of authority they will have is sharing with you their experience and what the teaching actually is It's up to you to then work it if that makes sense Yeah, absolutely. So and my final words for me is I if you if you sort of get to a stage where you think can I I think we've all been through it. Certainly. I have where you think Is this relationship healthy? Is it still serving me? The main thing is is do not be afraid to question it. Yeah And speak to someone about it and just get someone that you trust that you can speak to about it and just share your feelings and see because You know, sometimes it can be we're all having a sensitive day Or sometimes it's that intuition that you really don't want to ignore So don't ever feel afraid that if you you know, there's a lot of shaming I think that goes on for people that how could they be so silly to fall for this And I hate seeing that because it's just We're all human. There's not a single person on this planet that hasn't fall for something at some stage And actually that's what they rely on this You know the hiding and the shame and not wanted to admit to not share it because that's how these things survive So, you know good for you if anyone recognizes they've been in this situation Good for you. You are taking your life up to the next level. Brilliant And I will I will back that what you just said Catherine when you study cults high demand organizations The people in them are highly and usually highly intelligent Yeah Yeah, so don't don't feel shamed if you got duped into one of these things Usually people who do are really smart and as I spoke to someone yesterday that's going to be coming on to talk about one of these big Big organizations and as she said, yeah, big organizations like that. They want smart people They want smart people because it makes them look better. You never see dumbasses Exactly because no one would then there would be no benefit to them So, you know, there is no shame in any of this It's just part of the lesson in life that, you know, we all have different lessons And if that's part of our particular lessons then Cooker we learn it and move on the better Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, don't feel I mean, I I like I said I've been lucky because my teachers have all been really healthy But I have also been in narcissistic relationships and that's the cult of one So that's even worse because I didn't have anybody else. I could say well, they did it too No, it was just a cult of one. So at that point so so yes, all right, you guys well once again Send me an email shadow work challenge at gmail.com if you want to participate in the 60 days I know um for those who don't want to email but want to kind of participate the evening before Each new day. I will be posting the new day's Challenge up. So that came out weird So Friday night this Friday night our afternoon. I will be putting up Saturday's challenge Saturday afternoon And I'll put up Sunday's challenge so first you can always go to my community tab I don't know if Catherine or the other sponsors want to do that as well No, I'm showing it on that and if emi can make sure for saturday that she makes sure she includes so we can Share about if people want to make a donation where they can donate to Oh, absolutely Right after we get off I'll text her and see if she can send me that because that zoom link will be on The template page. I'll put it on my so if you want to join that and and yes I want to reiterate because and emi is really good about this if you want to participate in the zoom class But you just do not have the money to donate right now All she asks is that that day you just do something nice for somebody else. Just pay it for it. Okay So um, so I don't want anybody to feel like they're that's a hindrance If you can donate donate five dollars ten dollars twenty whatever But if if um, but if you really can't just do something nice for somebody else that day So all right you guys well, good luck everybody who's doing it We'll be keeping in touch with you guys We'll be going forward I know kather and I have some awesome videos that I know we're going to be doing together and all that kind of stuff coming up in the future So it's all going to be good guys. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye