 and it was going to cost us quite a bit more than that. I'm hoping we don't go that route, but I would like to reserve the $10,000 for another year if we could. Also in the highway general budget, we had an excess in guardrails, so we'd like to reserve $2,000. I believe guardrails was also reduced from the 2019 budget. We had, in the other highway, other budget, we had $1,300 reserved to cover the cost of tire disposal. Tim has not sent tires this year. They're called gate salvage because they take them when they travel and ship them out. And they couldn't take any town tires right now because they got such a backlog that they just don't have the room to do them. So they said to give them a call on the months or so and probably they'd have it. So we're thinking we're going to need that to pay for the tires. The last is from Police Services and it's the Berlin Community Fund. This is the fund that businesses and or citizens donate for special things for the police. One of the things they use it for is the Halloween program for the kids and things. They have an excess at the moment of $3,900 and some dollars. We put it as an amount not to see $39.55, not knowing what we're going to have in the next couple of weeks to reduce that. But it certainly won't be any larger than $39.55. And we have done that in the past, transferring to the police community fund reserve. And again, this isn't getting ready for the end of the year, which is almost here. If you're amenable, if we could have a motion. Okay, hear a motion. I'll move to approve the use of the reserves and carry them forward as described. Second. Further discussion. Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Sorry. I get distinguished. Please. Motion carries. Anything else, man? No. Thank you. Thank you. Josh Walker, black rope? Yep. Well, I'm just back. You know what I went through here back last year. And I was troubled again about like with the drainage. My neighbors putting stuff in the natural flow where the water goes. So I went like earlier this year and kind of cleaned out the side of the driveway. So the water would stay in the ditch. And it's the ditch moves out of that. You guys gave me an extra two feet width to maintain. Well, as soon as it gets out of the two feet, they start filling the ditch in with stuff. So it's going to just pile up and run right down my driveway. I really don't want to be here again for this. I tried contacting, you know, I contacted Dave a few weeks ago. About talking about this and getting this stuff strained out. Nothing happened. Actually today when I was leaving, Beth was just pulling in her driveway. I walked into her driveway and nicely asked if we could talk this out. And she was talking what out. And I was like, this problem would happen with the driveway. And she says, well, I think you have a problem with voyeurism. I was having trouble with my cassette. My first container getting kicked over a number of times, a hundred times at least. And so I came to the police department about it. And they said, and I told them I knew who it was. And they said, well, you can't, you got to prove that it was them. So I put up a game camera and definitely covered in the act. And the next thing I know I'm on front page forum. Scanning their house for a break in. So I just can't get anywhere trying to talk to them and make this stuff work. So when you gave me the right of way down through, it wasn't down the middle of the class four road. It was, I was pushed all the way over onto the Hogan's land of that road. And so now they have put sticks all down the road and they've painted lines all down where they don't think I should be. Which I don't want to be. I'm just trying to maintain the drainage. I mean, you know, the towns have to do that every year. Clean out the rubble that's just put in there, the leaves, the branches. And I do that. And even like last year, during the meetings last year, I was cleaning the branches out. And then I got accused of stealing firewood when it was just lawn debris. And I was actually cleaning up and getting rid of it. It wasn't like I was taking and putting back on their property. I was cleaning it up and getting rid of it. So it's just mainly I'm here to try to protect my driveway, you know, my access to my home. Yes, sir. So there are pretty significant gaps to what is presented as facts. So last year, we wasted a lot of time fighting about this. And you guys were subject to that. Josh got what he wanted. He got the full rod centered on the existing improved gravel portion. The select board retains authority with full to rub with the road. We have not done anything to. It doesn't comply with the permit for maintenance that the town gave to the walkers. Absolutely nothing. We have honored the 16 and a half feet centered on the existing gravel. We know that because we have actually measured it. Josh said he kindly approached my wife today. That's not true. It went badly quickly. And they parted ways. Josh mentioned that he talked to me a couple of weeks ago about talking about this. It was days ago. And I said, yep, I'd be amenable to talking. I wasn't going to do it right now. We had a game camera for, I don't know, some period of time. I pointed directly at her house. We called the police. They must have known about it. I guess somebody came and took it down. It must have been connected by Wi-Fi or something. They came and took it down pretty quickly. So I would caution on the side of believing everything you're hearing. We have actually measured the width of the run surface of the road. Scratch a little spot in the middle of the road. Measure eight and a quarter feet off of that. And if you all might recall, I suggested that we survey, that we share the cost of surveying the road. And then share the cost of surveying the right-of-way as permitted. And that was not included in the permit. So we took it upon ourselves to do that. Josh wants to go measure that. He's more than welcome to. I'm fascinated that it's a guy that makes living measuring and cutting stuff. He's having a difficult time measuring those short distances. So we don't want to have anything to do with it. We accepted this once it was settled without question. And we were happy to comply with the permit that the town gave. We're not asking for more. But we certainly don't want less. Well, it just so happens to me that I have the video from that camera that shows that it's not on their house. And it shows that it was on my trash container. And I was advised by the police chief to put that camera up because I was a number of times picking that thing up. This has nothing to do with the right-of-way down through there. It's just a hassle that I'm putting up with since you were mad because I got this extra two feet. And I knew the extra two feet wasn't going to be enough to where the water drains. Because the water drains beyond that two feet, right? Where it hits the two feet, they're blocking the drainage. Do you want to get in there? I guess I'm wondering what is it that we can do for you today? I'd like to just be able to keep the drainage working. That's it. This is not our responsibility to keep the drainage working there. I mean, in my opinion, I mean, we went out of our way to negotiate between you two to try to find a nice middle ground that was maybe not everybody likes exactly what happened. But we don't have a responsibility. I mean, yes, it's a town road. But if there's something specific that you're looking for us to do, let us know what that is and let's talk about it. So I can go up to the end of my driveway and pound culvert and just throw stuff right in front of that culvert. I mean, that's kind of what you're saying. No, what else? No, hold on. I'm asking you, what is it that you would like us to do tonight? Just have some thinking. Just please let me keep the drainage maintained through there. Can you keep the drainage maintained over there? We... So the other thing we talked about when we were here a year ago was creek. We expected creek when we got creek. The right-of-way is 16.5 feet wide for maintenance of the road. And already it's being maintained outside of that permitted space. And so I don't know what you want. I don't know what we're doing here either. So the only reason I know about it is because we read it on the front porch forum. And we just came here to protect ourselves. So you guys had it surveyed, you said? No. It doesn't need to be surveyed. Hold on. I'm just trying to clarify. So you said you didn't end up getting it surveyed? We did not. No. Okay. Could you guys put up some flags and agree where that boundary is so that everybody knows what's what and leave it up and that way? It's very easy. There's pins that show both sides of that road. It's there. That would be extremely easy to do. I mean, the width of the road is clear. And then when you're measuring eight and a quarter feet, it's not a stretch. I mean, if you're measuring eight and a quarter miles, it's a problem. It's a problem to feed. That's right. Dave's not talking about the center of the right-of-way. He's talking about my driveway that's pushed way over the edge. Agree on where to put some flags so that you know exactly where you can maintain. You know exactly where you're expecting him to maintain. And then you guys don't have to argue about exactly where things are. The only other option I see is to send Tim up there with a grader to maintain the road. And we got 33 feet. Nobody's going to be happy if we do that. I'm not looking to have that done. No. So if you guys work it out, we won't have to do that. I tried to work it out. I tried to talk to Dave. I tried to talk to Beth. It's crap. I went in there nicely because I knew this meeting was coming up. I didn't want to bring this to the board again. Well, I've been nicely talking to Beth. She told me to get the F off her property. That's where it went bad. I didn't raise my voice. I was trying to remedy the problem. So work on the boundaries. Mark them. I think this is not the town's responsibility. I mean, if there's some sort of thing and you're encroaching on the town's right-of-way and something's going wrong, then let's come back to it. Hold on. I will let Tim report back to us if this agreement is in violation. This is between the guys. This is not our... Well, this isn't the town's right-of-way. This is still in the town's right-of-way. Therefore, this is not our issue. So I would like us to move on, please. I would like to move on, too. I just, you know, it's ridiculous for me to drive home and see a pilot. Have you seen it, Dave? Have you all kind of seen the debris that... I don't know if you did it or Beth did it. Debris right in the swale of the ditch where the water comes off of your lawn. That's a good idea. Well, most of this area has nothing to do with the road. The road is in good shape. Because I'm maintaining, I've got money into it, so I'm trying to protect that. What they're doing is making sure the water's going to run right down my road, right down my driveway. So I'm trying to keep... When I got my permit, I had to put a culvert in it. So this water is directed to that culvert. That's the one at the bottom of it? At the bottom of it. Yeah, right, a black road. And my actual home driveway cuts off. There's a culvert right there. And the town made me put that in there to get my permit. So this water is directed to that culvert. But it does encroach beyond the two feet extra that you guys gave me, which isn't the center of the right of way. I'm way onto Colgan's property, actually, where my driveway is Colgan's property. That point we settled that last year at 16.5 feet centered on a system-approved gravel portion. That was settled last year. You made a phone call. I mentioned to you that it wasn't. You made a phone call. We all went up there and agreed that the gravel surface that's there now was 12 feet. So we voted to make it 16.5 feet. So that's four feet from the edge of that gravel now on both sides is where it should be. Yeah. From a little over four feet. Let's see if the drainage moves off of that extra two feet that I've been taking care of. It's going to be four feet. Well, it's two feet on the other side. It's only two feet on their side. I really don't want to cause it. I don't even want to be here for this. I really tried to straighten this out with them. That is impossible. Well, this sounds more like a neighborhood spat with me than anything else. Little leery of going into any decision making on this. As long as the road is in a better shape than it was before, I don't think that we really, the board needs to get into this. No, and I don't want you to. I didn't want to be here, but it was written in the last agreement that anything that's going to change has to go before the board. And what is change in blocking the drainage? Is it suddenly doing it? Because I cleaned it out on the water. That's it. I cleaned it out. It's like six feet outside of them. But still in town. Could you put flags up? So let's have Tim put flags up according to the agreement. And you guys can abide by that. I mean, that's it. The flags go up. You know where it is, and that's BW. Did you do that, Tim? That'd be awesome. And like I say, it's easy enough to know where it is, but you don't understand what's going on up there, Jeremy. This right of way where my idea is. Well, Josh, if we put up flags, that's going to solve the problem. Simple as that. So they can just continue to block the drainage there? If it's outside of the flags, then they have the right thing. Because you agreed to the 16 foot, 16 and a half foot. And I agreed for the center of the right of way. Well, if I go up there and measure it, it's going to be measured from the center of the right of way. Because that's the only center of the gravel road that's there now. If I go up there, because that's the only way you can decide it. That's what the permit says. Very good. Why would it be from the center of where it is now, when this is already, that was an old two tire tracks. When I built my house there 20 years ago, this was two tire tracks down through the property. And I just graveled over the top of that. It was within the town right of way, but it was way to the left of the right of way. Killing maintenance. Yeah. This is a great thing. I don't have anything to give me in the ground. Okay, then mark out the road. Well, it's marked out because they went down with orange paint and paintball down on the side of it. Two feet beyond the edge of the gravel surface there. So, Tim's markings will be authoritative, and everybody can abide by those. So, I mean, he's going to be neutral. He's going to be enforcing it as we drafted it a year ago. And hopefully, everybody... You know, when you're drafting that a year ago, that's the way it was going passing through. And I told you I'd be back here. I told all of you I'd be back here. Okay, so this. Okay. Can you get that done, Tim? Is there a winner over here? Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Moving on to the next item. This is the road pavement. This was the biz that you opened last time. There were two bidders. And we have done... I believe we've got my memo in the work that we had done as far as analyzing the bid. One question that had come up was square yards. How many tons is in a square yard? And we were able to figure that out. I was able to do a very rough estimate. I'm not a measure for road construction, but with Tim's help I was able to get an approximate area and come to a tonnage. And my tonnage wasn't exactly agreed with them, but it was close. So I think the tonnage is all right. We've got two bidders. They are about $2,200 apart. The lower bid is Jay Hutchins. Tim did mention to me that he would like to have the cold-planing material for his use and correct me if I'm wrong, but Pike wants to keep the cold-planing material. It was never brought up in the original discussion. Have you had that discussion with Tim? Well, yeah. I mean, we're up for discussion, but there's a $9 per tonne spread compared to Hutchins and us. And so I'm just a little confused as to why we're... You know, we're still discussing it, but, you know, well, let me ask you... So you're telling me, no. No, no, we're not. We're open to discussion about it, but... I thought we were going to send out clarifications. That's what we said at the last meeting. Ask questions. Well, and Tim and I went very measured. It's been measured. So I came up with 1,450 times. And so you come up... I'm just confused at how you guys come up with a $2,200 difference. I took your new tonneage estimate, multiplied it by your $93.75. And then I took Hutchins' bid using their estimate of 1,300 tons. Tim spoke with both of you to verify that we had spoken that we were going to redo the amount of tonneage to make sure it was correct. And so using your new tonneage and using $93.75 at a time, that's where I came up with the $2,200 difference. Well, it's $135,937.50. Right. If the total... Hutchins' total is $133,705. So we're not paying by the tonneage? Which is less tonneage? No, we're paying for actual tonneage when the job's done. We are paying for tonneage. Hutchins believes they can do up to 1,300 tons and 1,450 for pike. Right, but if... So a tonneage is a tonneage. And say we do only lay 1,300 tons. I'm $9 a tonne cheaper, so... I hear what you're saying, but I have to... I mean, I took the bid to be that... And maybe I'm wrong, but I took the bid that if we were going to bid 1,300 tons, that would be what we would use. I would not know how many... I mean, you figured it at 1,450. So how do we know it's going to be 1,450 or if it's going to be less until you're done? You don't want to part with the grindings. It wasn't part of the initial conversation. Yes, it was. Not the second conversation we had. The first time I talked to you, I told you I wanted the grindings. I told you that when you talked to me on the phone. I said, because we have use for it. And you never said anything until last meeting and you told me that that's part of the price is that you take the grindings because you recycle them and reuse them. We do. And how much does that save you a tonne? By reusing them. What's the spread on the pricing? No, I'm asking you. What's it save you? I don't get into the savings portion of the plan. What I don't understand though is we're paying by the tonne. So this should be simple. It doesn't matter how many tons. What's your price per ton and what's your price per ton? That's all that matters. Okay, I did that. If we're paying by the lump sum, that's a different situation. But we're not paying by the lump sum. I took it by the lump sum. 102.85. The only thing that I will say about the whole thing is the bid did not ask for a cold one. So I gave you a price for paving. Don't think they did. No, we did. We did. Yeah, our 93.75 from the full point. I know that's my point. You didn't ask for full point. What's the cost of your mix? That's what we're going to get down to here. What's the cost of your mix? Hold on. How is it fair for me or him? Okay, because after the fact, after you open the bids up, right, you know what my price is. I know what his prices are. Right? And I'm being fair to everyone here. I could easily just say my price for cold playing is 245 and my mix is whatever that is off there. What I'm asking you guys to do is if you guys think it's truly 1,300 tons, we can go with Dana's tonnage. I'm just going back here. I'm not a row person. Right. One gives me 1,300 tons. I have no way. I tried to do it mathematically. I understand that the price per ton is different. How much is your mix per ton? I didn't do it that way and I didn't come to this meeting prepared to talk about that. And I'm not giving the price that I know. The problem with the bid is you didn't ask for cold playing. He gave you a price all combined. I gave you a price for paving. And so comparing the number you're talking about has, that doesn't matter because he and not him, he hasn't told you what it is for paving. He wrapped it all into one price. But my point is, just correct me if I'm wrong, if I take your price for cold planning and 1,300 tons, add it together, take his price including cold playing times 1,300 tons, but it doesn't matter. You're going to pay for what they use. What happens if they use 1,450? What happens if they use 1,450? Well, I mean, all I'm saying is if you're asking for a price per ton, how can you determine it? He hasn't given us a price per ton. Yes, he has. Oh, he hasn't. He gave you a price for cold playing. All combined together. All combined together. Because if you look at the bid diamonds, where are the bid diamonds? Right, but it doesn't say anything about cold playing. No, no. When cold playing was talked about, you know what I'm going to call Tim. And if you guys want, I think what E.J. and I are saying is if you want cold playing and paving, tell us about fraud in a bid. I told you. No, no. In a bid document. Not that you didn't tell us. That's a problem, to be honest with you. It should be in writing. And I'm not saying, because Tim and I had a conversation, we want cold playing and paving. And I'm not disagreeing with it. It should be in writing. I agree with that. But that's why my bid was there's two separate prices on there. Two get to that. Unnote for next time so that we can add this to it. I think we will do that. It says, bids are requested to be submitted at a per ton price. That's the highway. .52 miles, 50 foot right away. Yeah, it doesn't call out. It just says the price per ton. And going forward, and we've had the same discussion in a bunch of places. Yeah. Just give us, because Wayne, your point is exactly correct, just give us a tonnage. Whether it's 1400, you give us a tonnage. That way, I'm bidding on 1400, he's bidding on 1400. Whether we'll use 13 or we'll use 15. That's my point. We're still, but when you want us to go on a measure, that's why we're going to call them different numbers. No, but my point is, it should have been a request for proposals for approximately 1500 tons. Not approximately. Just tell, give us a number because it's not coming. No, right. But I mean if it's 1380, it's 1380. This one is. Right. But we all got to use the same number. And believe me, just so you know, you're the same as every single time that we go to the same. And we have the same discussion. So you have all practice. They want us to go on a measure, and he can come in 14, I can come in 15, and we're like, how do we compare these? Well, you've got to give us the actual length and width. And then it's, everyone's going to call it the same number. But not like that. Just give us a number. Give you a tonnage. Correct. Just give us a tonnage. Two inch, two inch call planning Exactly. And the only thing, and I'm not arguing anything here, that did not ask for a call planning price. I had talked to Tim, like we talked about. So I gave you one for call planning, and I gave you one for paving, in case you just wanted to pave it, and you couldn't afford doing the call planning. My only point, this whole thing, is Pike's price is a combined price. You have no idea, and now the bins are open, what their raving price is. So I'm trying to come up with a fair resolution now that everybody knows that. Well, just give the 100. That's there. Well, listen, if you're comfortable with your call planning price. Yeah, probably. So if I take your call planning price, add it to your asphalt price, say it's 1,300 tons, take his price by 1,300 tons. They're less than that. They're the more better. You can't argue that. There's no... But now, what's the deal with the rat? Right. That's the only issue now. That's the only issue in... I know you can buy it off the belt for five dollars a ton. Wow. Six or seven dollars a ton is probably... So if you do that, our prices are very close. Because I was giving all the rat... They're going to give it all to us, and they don't want to part with it. But what I'm saying, why don't we add seven dollars a ton to their price and see if it's a little bitters? I haven't done that. I'm trying to figure out a way... I understand that. I understand that. I mean, I will tell you, go get a car price from Pikes for what the rat is. It's not seven dollars. It's not seven dollars a ton. It's not. But there's a mountain of it over there at Berlin. So if that's, you know, that's what it boils down to here. I'm just trying to figure a fair way to do it. I understand what you're saying. With all the numbers on the table. I can't... I can't argue anything you're doing. I mean, again, their price is lower than our price without the rat. There is no doubt about that. I can't argue that fact. A dollar ten. No, it comes to a hundred and one dollar. It's a wash. I mean, a hundred dollars a five cents a ton. With the numbers on the table, there's no fair way to do this other than to try to do it. No. No, I mean, that's, that's there. I mean, but we're, we're assuming that it's seven dollars a ton. Well, I still say that we got to do apples for apples if that's what we're going to do. Well, we should follow the bid arrangement here and just do it by the, by the, uh, take the bids on a ton basis. Figure it out from there. Right. So, you're going to make me get out a calculator, huh? You get too many apps. Too many apps. Too many apps. And no, let's just say thirteen hundred tons. What's, what's Pike's price when you add seven dollars? Well, ninety-three seventy-five a ton. One hundred seventy-five. One hundred seventy-five. One hundred dollars. One hundred dollars. So, their price is one hundred thirty thousand nine seventy-five. And what is Hutchins' price when you add it all together? Uh, I'm sorry, one hundred two eighty-five. No, that's not right. That's just the paving. Yeah, that's not right. It's ninety- ninety-five. But what's the combined price for thirteen hundred? One hundred two. One thirty-three seven hundred five. Something like that. Something like that. So, one hundred three seventy-five. That's right. So, can I ask the question, where'd you come up with the seven dollars a ton added on? Just ask them what it cost off the belt. I mean, it's not processed. It's just off the belt. But, do you know how many tons are going to come out of there? It's the same, either way. Whatever, what about again? Yeah, he had fourteen fifty. He had fourteen hundred and fifty tons. Yeah, he was trying to take a different amount of time. But it doesn't matter, because we're paying by what it actually is. If we're paying by the lump sum, it would matter. I'm assuming if you two fellows co-playing, it would come out to be somewhere near the same number of tons. Yeah, it is. So, whatever you take out, you're going to put back in. So, I mean, I mean, there's a little difference there because when you grind it, there's fluff and there's, there's thirty nine to put back in. It's going to be thirty hundred to go out. Yeah. Right? I mean, there's some ruts and stuff, so some of that payment's gone. So, it's not going to be exactly thirty. But in both of you, co-playing two inches. Yeah, exactly. There's no difference in co-playing, no nothing, no any of that. So, if seven dollars a ton is a rational amount for the grindings, which I'm asking. Well, again, sure, I don't know what their costs are. I mean, we just started doing this. I have no idea what their costs are. I know the stuff, once it's processed, is nowhere near seven dollars. Right. Once it's processed. And processing it is just, it doesn't cost the fourteen dollars a ton they're going to sell it for. Or the fourteen dollars. They're going to sell over twenty dollars a ton if they process it. So are we? I mean, I'm not saying that. We don't want the rat. Right. I mean, that's the whole thing because we don't want the rat. What else you do with after the numbers are up? Well, I mean, I'm not here to argue with them. I mean, we do this all day, so it is what it is. You guys need to make a decision. Again, the bid document wasn't exactly clear. You guys need to make a decision. I don't know that Tim, Tyson and I are going to help you make that decision. And we're not, we're, I mean, there are other options to throw them on and re-bid it, which makes no sense. We're going, we know what prices are now. So right now, you just got it for the town, you got to make a decision for yourself. What is your best option? And what the decision I need to make is what's the, you're both legitimate contractors that can do the job. And what our job is to take the lowest bid for the taxpayers of the town. Well, that question, I don't know how I'm going to argue. So let me ask you this question. Are we going to get to wrap food pipes? I don't know. Because you can't make that decision without that answer. No, I don't. I could use it. Right. I got, finished this parking lot out here behind the building. They put quite a bit more in there to bring it up level with the old parking lot and can use it for shoulders. Can use it on the police department on some of it on your class 4 rule where they go to their shooting range. So you want it delivered to the town garage. And that was, that was the agreement. I mean, I could use it in mud season. Right. No, I understand that. Because it's not going to be, that's going to, that's going to be good wrap over there because it's got an inch and a half of, well, most of it is an inch and a half shim that we put down last year to get us through because we, we've been fighting with the state for the bid for so long. And I mean, it's not going to be big chunks so I can use it during mud season. And when it haunts you, if you've got big chunks when it, when you go to grade, you've got chunks of wash up in there. But if it's ground up like the stuff that I got off the interstate from all state, that was new and some old payment, it was, you could break it out with him and it was good stuff. I mean, it's going to save the town money there. $1,200, save just $1,400. So once again, if that was in the bid documents, that the wrap was to be delivered to the town garage we would be having this discussion. I have no idea about the wrap. Let me know what town does a really good job for bid job. Well, again, we want to help you again. For apples to apples, give us a ton if you want the wrap, say you want to deliver to this location because then we can figure out trucking as to how long it takes to get there, whether you're going to push it up, whether we're going to push it up, all those kind of things in there, then we can all bid it out. You know, when you want us to figure stuff out. Yeah. It just, I feel bad. It's a bad situation. Well, you were, you didn't let you go rely on it. You know what I'm talking about. I've lived in construction my whole life. I understand what's going on. That's why I'm trying to make a clear decision. Sure, you know what I'm talking about. You guys need to go the lowest price. If we're not the lowest price, we're not the lowest price. I mean, that is the bottom line. That's a valuable resource. Can you answer that? What? If we would give back wrap? Yeah. I can. I can answer that right now. And I think we'd be willing to. That means we get to where it, but there also is a price threat for a reason and that's just, you know, that's my only point to it. Is it $7? It's a little price right now. I mean, No, what's the wrap worth if we if we I would say if we split the total volume, that's what it's worth. So if you called it $7 and we say there's 1300 tons, there's 650 tons there, there's worth something to us, but if it means not getting the job or getting the job, we'll give it up. So both of you have bid on the ton of amount and without the wrap coming back to the town. No, he's going to the town. His my price is coming with it all. To the town. So what are you trying to say that you'd charge us $7 a ton for 650 tons to bring it to the town garage? No, I'd give you the wrap. That's what it boiled down to all of it. 1300 tons. It's boiled down to that. It's boiled down to that. So on an estimated tonnage of 1300 tons, your price of $93.75 $93.75 would include delivering the wrap to the town. Because it means it's still going to $901 versus the town garage. It's pretty much the same business. I think that makes you a little better. So sorry that it's come down to this, fellas. Sorry. I'll make a motion to accept Pike's price with the amendment that was just given that they will deliver the approximately 1300 tons of recycled asphalt to the town garage. Exactly. Any further discussion? Hearing none. George in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Thanks, fellas. Oh, yeah. Thank you. And in the future, if you guys want roads looked at in the springtime, bring us both out at that time and we can measure it together, come up with a quantity and scope of work for you. And that way when we come big time, it's all the same. I can see us bringing it together, coming up with the approximate tonnage and putting out a big request for this much tonnage. And being done with it. Just put in there what you want. If you want that stuff. They're all, as you guys will know, they're all cost money. So we have to put our, and risk, so we have to put our money where it really is. Now, I'm going to have money left over because of the state. And I want to do some other paving. I want to know what the tonnage, what we came up with. What you're going to charge me per ton for mix. Because it won't be 93. So what you're saying is there's no cold climate. No, there's reclaiming and paving on that one. Yup. So, so what is the tonnage? What's the price on the tonnage? Just the mix. You mean the mix? Because because I would like to do some work on the Ranger Road too because I'm still going to have money enough to do some over there. So that's the ancient half on Ranger Road? Yeah. Can we get together and look at limits so that I can give you a very clear tonnage? No. I think we want a price per tonnage. Yeah, I want to know what the price per tonnage is. I don't want to measure anything. I don't need to measure anything. I know it's a long haul. No, it's very long. No, David. You don't need to do anything with this. I'm going to do a different approach next year. I was wondering if there was some sort of uniform bin or bin thing. It's a good idea, Brad. Yeah. Should have a form that says whole tonnage per tonnage. Yeah. Yeah. And I appreciate the guys have really been helpful to me. Yeah. Well, like I said, believe me, there are a few that give us what we want when we go to these meetings and it's always the same thing because when you want us to go measure it, everyone, and again, especially if you want like a shim coat first, and I have to go out and decide how big the ruts are and I have to decide that, okay, I'm going to put 400 tons down and Tyson looks at says I'm going to put 300 down. Right. Well, that 100 times at 60, $70 ton can lose you a bin like that. So I did it until my best of my ability, and then I lost the bid because they came up with 300, then they come out and do 400. Exactly. And then I lost it and I'm like, will you pay more money? Their price per ton was higher. But the they were the they were the low better because of their time. I agree. I think it's just it's kind of you were not alone that was my point. So don't come here and give me a hard time. They all do it and it's I look forward to there in back here. Well, I've been trying to decide all we kind of dissect this and that's why I wanted to do this prior to the meeting. Yeah. Well, yeah, we can all measure length and width. So you can come up with a ton of very easily. And again, it's it's based just like a statement. It's only for comparison purposes only. You're going to pay whatever you put down. If you want to measure the length of this room by the width of it, I mean, that's ridiculous because the truck then we're all bidding on each time. And I mean, if you want shim and you want to be a half inch, well, there's I mean, I give you a book outside that tells you exactly how to calculate tonage. So you can come up with a tonage like that and everyone is going to give me a hundred tons of shim a thousand times top type three type four. I want two inches of cold landing at this many square yards. Don't let us know how much money you got left over because if you use sixteen hundred tons of it there, you don't know how much it's worth. Exactly. You don't. And that's why you're just going to price up run. When you run out of money, you say, stop here. So exclusive a reclaim, which is square yard cost or price would be seventy six fifty for overlay and then the paving on Scott Hill Road slash turn paint and then I think I have to go look back in the office what my square yards were before because what we are also it's going to cost seven six dollars a ton for Granger Road. Yeah. Just part of the problem is you're looking at different mix types as well. So out on out on Scott Hill Road there's a mix and top and then on Granger Road you have top mix. Well can you submit something about them? Yeah. Like I say I apologize again I think it's a fairest way I could come up with a nice trick. Yeah. We do this all the time it's fine. Well it would be nice to have a little bit smoother. Oh sure. Yeah. Like your paving. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Let's do all. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys I appreciate it. It's there. Bid for roadside mowing. I'm afraid to go on. We had two bids for roadside mowing. We did speak with both bidders. One of the bidders Sean Lampson does not have an over the rail machine. And which left us with the bidder that did have an over the rail machine and Darnell Dexter's price was $250 less. We did ask in that bid and that bid does save one over the rail machine. What about the second pass? Well we did not ask for it. And again we had I'll speak that but we had put six feet and apparently it's five feet. Yeah. You can't get a six foot mowing deck over there. So we're only going to use a five foot cut. Right. Are you having an over the rail machine? Um he's going to do all the black top up here on the hill twice. So that footage was that your last year and it's going to be extra but he just charges $65 an hour. Okay. And if it takes in two hours to do it we'll be working. Oh really? Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the bid to Darnell $1000 plus an hourly rate of 65 dollars an hour for the second patch. Second. Thank you for the discussion. Hearing none all those in favor? Aye. Those opposed motion carries. Um Browns Mill Road speed limit change request we've had as you know I brought this on it was on the agenda last time since last time I have spoken with the police the police they were supposed to put the machine that tells how fast you're going I understand it was on Route 12 and on Browns Mill Road however we will adjust that um but Officer Tears did go over one afternoon um obviously it's a very interesting road because you're only on that road because you live there it doesn't go anywhere um and rough estimate is maybe 30 car trips a day of people going out to work coming home from work uh Officer Tears went out in the afternoon um last week and placed himself in a place that wasn't obvious and his top speed of vehicles coming in there was 24 miles an hour um so I think I'm going to ask him if he would do it a couple more times because the state recommendation for speed limit changes traffic report they recommend having 100 cars um and that would take us it just doesn't work there um and we're um we're trying to see if that makes sense as far as doing that I don't know if people there's a basketball area that the kids play right next to the street and I would think when people see basketball they would slow down and they turn in there um Sarah Winters who I've spoken with um does feel that people are going quicker than 35 faster than 35 so you said the average speed was 24 that's what he found by being there last week the top speed so what's the what's the um that was the top speed 24 was the top speed okay I think he was down there for two hours he was down there a couple hours he probably had two hours well they could put that they could put that machine the it does not oh I did find out it does not record anything no so yeah absolutely same as the first time it's just a display I thought it would probably work I wonder if it'd be worth where the speed limit is posted put on those little flashy signs that you see every now and then that yeah they're slower what's that they're slower they had a little radar gun on yeah they just flash your speed is with a solar panel on top of it a little multiplayer has them there by main street school yeah a lot of Watesville has them there by their school Northfield put one in down to 12 yeah what would you call it a speed limit flashing sign yeah sure Google it I'm sure I'm sure I can I can find out because Cabin has one I don't know how expensive they are I don't either yeah I know I'm worse than I was at than I am with paving I imagine they must give them that work safe probably but you see them on the through way also it might not be a bad idea but I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we are really trying to do a good effort see where we are I think that those flashing signs I think that people in general think that they get something they don't make you nervous yeah so it's is one with their fixing that bridge in Middlesex well I know I saw on Channel 3 News the other night the state police are putting out on the $80 million in troubled areas and it records every car really so they get an estimate of what the rate of speed is yeah the average of every every car on the other state some of them do and the ones that they're using on the interstate are like what we're talking about they're still working yeah yeah why don't you put them up if you don't have to worry about them maybe so I'll bring this back to you it's an ongoing project and I've communicated with Sarah Winters down there sure we're working on it yep so we'll come back for the next meeting participation in municipal roads grants and aid program this is basically I just would like the select board's approval to participate in this municipal roads grant program and this is for the road permit that we're going to be required to have as of July the permit paperwork is 24 pages and so it would help to have expertise from the commission to help us with that this is basically just a letter saying that we would like to participate in that if we decide we don't want to that's okay but they do need to sign the letter by June 22nd if we want to participate so I think I'd like to sign the letter of intent to participate in the rural planning commission municipal road grants and aid program second any further discussion all those in favor aye those opposed motion carries and coincidentally I have three lines for you to sign and that worked out very nicely approval of second word of minutes from thank you 521 2018 and 604 2018 I mean either one no I have a couple notes on these I wasn't here for them but I just on the May 21st one there was a grant opportunity for the bicycle and pedestrian program there's a motion Kelly not to proceed with the application so on and so on second Lamberton there's no report of the what happened with the vote I expect it was 3-1 or unanimous I'll take care of that and there's another one of those in the next select word of minutes on the fourth yeah on road greater discussion I don't know it's under road greater discussion on the fourth says Lamberton moved to go forward with the work on the greater I don't know if that was a motion that just died for lack of a second or if it was seconded so the greater is fixed so I think what it was is the discussion was do we put money into the greater or do we we chose to repair the greater I can review the tape and see who's seconded and just fix that so it's correct and these will come back to you I think it's going to be the bill's going to be cheaper than what we thought because he estimated two to three weeks he also was driving back and forth yeah we took it up took the greater up to the back good I don't have a bill for the truck yet so those come back to you next week that greater is what electronic injection so the fuel pump that they've changed just the high pressure pump and I know wouldn't tell you when you started it now and you can get on it and I haven't graded with them you got some smoke pouring out of it and it seems like it's got a lot more power I guess she was getting tired probably it wasn't running on many so no because he came with a gun to it over there and he could make it run on one cylinder and that's just what it sounded like was running on one cylinder approval of licenses permits, vouchers and applications I moved to approve general fund accounts payable warrant 18G 25 with checks 18161 to 18207 and the amount of 111,524 76 also general fund accounts payable warrant NSB 03 and the amount of $5,970 and $0.53 as well as payroll warrant 18-25 for payroll May 27th, 2018 to June 9th, 2018 and the amount of $44,650.44 as well as May general journal entries and May tax administration entries reconciled May bank accounts statements with the general fund sewer commission and the water division any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor seek report by saying hi. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. See the town administrative report. I have a few things. Last October the town joined with several other communities in the state to apply for the FEMA free disaster medication grant to help us prepare the hazard medication update. That grant has not been approved by FEMA yet and the current hazard mitigation plan expired on May 18th I've talked with Stephanie Smith of the state's emergency management office she's the contact for this grant working with FEMA one catch 22 the towns have found themselves in is that we would like to use the 25% the town is responsible for 25% of the cost and we would like to use in kind services to offset that cost if we go ahead and start doing any work on it on our own until we get the grant we would be eligible to use that so I was it was recommended to me not to do that but to wait until the grant is ready to go Stephanie feels the FEMA should be ready in the next few weeks we're not the only town in this situation I think about mitigation plan update is simply updating the information in it but it's apparently a little more involved than that we do need some expert help to do it the worst-case scenario that if we are in a situation where there's a disaster at the moment and it is a declared disaster we would have 30 days in which to submit a draft to Stephanie and would be considered that we would have a plan and so we could partake of the benefit of that you had spoken to me about calendars at one point so I'm trying to come up with a a sensible way the calendar so I'm using what my calendar is and I just use it it's on I guess it's Outlook calendar I have a calendar on mine which is involves me in all cases but I have Dan and Diane Dan and Tom and then I have the select board members and some of them so this is what I have in my calendar right now if you think I've forgotten something please let me know because I'm trying to be vigilant about keeping it some of it the red is that it's past due which is but two of my reds are taking care of tonight so we've got brownsmeal road that's still on the calendar we have the road with inventory for the ash borer project that is still on the calendar appointment with assessors which by the way will happen July 2 they'll be in to talk with you visit with you on that we also have the public hearing next week and the second for the master plan update and we have an approval of the warning for the combination and I'll talk about it a little more in a minute as far as the master plan update I mean the warning is master plan update and the bond for the sewer division that they're working on the project Tom doesn't have big years yet he will probably after the public works meeting Monday which is the same day as the it happens to be the same day as your next Monday right so I won't be at the hearing I'll be at the public works you can't be in two places at once okay so again please let me know if you think of being in the calendar I can certainly give you that every meeting or once a month or however you get it I think it's a good way to start I would take the order once a moment you know as often as quickly as I can so we did speak that next Monday is a public hearing on the master plan that is not a regular meeting night but at 7 o'clock we will be meeting here and then the meeting the following week on July 2nd is a regular meeting night and the public hearing will be first there has also been the consultant for the planning commission has added a section on implementation of the program in other words who's how do we make sure that we adhere to the the new rules or we could call it a quote enforcement I suppose it's always the hardest thing we do is to make sure we enforce our own rules and I should ask you all have a copy of the master plan I hope it is online we do have it to pass out if you need it and this was just added to it this week so that you'll be aware of it and then I've spoken about the assessors they've finished the grand list they have completed the grievance hearings they will be here to meet you with July 2nd I have asked them to bring their documentation so that they show you what the changes were and how they came I think that we're working out very well with the assessors they have been very responsive to issues that we've had in the past and finally at the July 2nd meeting again will be that approval for the bond for the sewer division and approval of the master plan ballot that needs to go to be printed the balance that's it okay well okay well thank you very well I heard from a resident over on Rawl Hill Road about some drainage issues that could impact the cemetery up there I did not go look at it myself but apparently there's some serious serious damage to something or the other again I would have to go and go and check it out he's we've gone over there he's referring to as you come from the root 12 section of Rawl Hill on the left is a bank as you go up that hill the cemetery is at the top of the hill and it's a bank and and I also spoke to that gentleman and the it has eroded I don't know how long it's been Tim and I have spoken about that Tim doesn't feel that it's imminent that bodies are going to be coming out of the cemetery I guess we're going to have some wanted drainage that goes over the cliff there if we did get in there that's not our right away so that would be something we have to have to address so is this something the cemetery commission should have that's a good question I could talk to I have to know a one member and I could talk to Randy that's what I'm talking about how long Tim has that been like that has it been very wild? I mean it's got a little worse I don't disagree with the gentleman I mean it's there part of the problem was is that up further on the road there was a water bar and the old guy that was out in the field out there a little bit and we got some heavy rain so where did the rain go down the side of the road because it can't get off the road down across the flat there and it went down through the cemetery and it dumps over the bank and that's what made it worse is there anything that we could do about it or should do about it I put the water bar back in and he's left alone so we there's a culvert there there is a culvert yeah so when did you put the water bar back in but I've got some big rock over here like he said it's out of our right away I can dump some big rock in there and maybe I'll stabilize the bank on the board in a bit but I don't know where to fix whose property is it you know it's a farm there sir I believe so just ask him he'll let you put that in there sure because they wanted me to move it down the hill further I can't move it down the hill further because if I do then we're dumping it right into his barn right on that concrete slab no but I would bet if you went and asked Nate and said I'm going to put some rip wrap or something about five out of the right away is it oh it's a ways it's probably 75 feet of better out of the right way but I mean I don't know how much land the cemetery owns there I don't know if the first the cemetery commission asked the town to ask him to dump the rip wrap if it's okay with a landmower yeah I mean is there a way I don't know what I'd have to do is I'd have to dump some out the TV it's full of rip wrap and it's working okay there's quite a drop there yeah and I have to build myself a room out there so I could get to the bottom of where it is does he have a better access back around from his side I mean Nate Rodgers no it's like coming down off that wall I just wasn't sure if it was easier the fence is the cemetery's boundary which probably is not that I know but it's not even close to that fence okay well we could revamp it yeah and I can do it without going we can do a lot of problems just don't go in that hole there well I'd have to build myself a room out there so I can get out far enough so that I could see me picking this giant and the funny part of it is I graded the room that morning did you call the TV? yeah the TV was there when I graded the room so that's how quick that guard retires cause he was down there shortly after I got done grading the room the TV wasn't there so I can try to fix it I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do it with our kids can't reach out there too far with it especially if it's a cliff I don't really know so second thing do we already set the tax rate? was that what it means that is going to happen I'm hoping on July 2nd after the assessors are here cause obviously we're always in a crunch to do that I can fill the bills out anything else here? to recess the select board and you can read the control board second all those in favor? I have one permit it's an outside consumption permit being applied for by FOI enterprises doing businesses Dog River Brewery he's located at 1400 US Route 302 he has gone to the DRB and received zoning permission seating and serving of spirits and beer and food and seating will be approximately 30 by 54 enclosed by a removable pedestrian barrier of 40 inches in height is the covered part of the shopping center walkway so under the camping basically and I have no reason to tell you not to move to approve the application second any further discussion how's this how are the is he going to allow people to walk through the senior I suspect he's going to have some sort of arrangement where you can get into his store and without having to climb over tables yeah well I was thinking more about going from say the Chinese restaurant to Bansado and I have to be a three-four-long way for the public I honestly don't know very good okay all those in favor aye those opposed motion carries I will move to adjourn the record control board and move to the community select board second all those in favor aye any executive session data move to adjourn second so moved all those in favor aye