 Maybe things are not really set equally, but I think when you are increasing diversity, you got to make sure that script is good I think that's very important because you know now people are gonna correlate the two and they think oh as diversity gets more Then the stories are gonna get worse and you can't let people think that Star Wars fans who don't like the new diverse Star Wars series might be problematic At least that's what the study says and now the internet's going nuts. These are some big accusations This is very controversial. I mean there was a study in the psychology of popular media and basically Andrew They were saying that people who don't like thin rows and potentially even ray might be more likely to agree with racist and sexist statements or statements like Ethnic minorities demand too much for equality, right? Okay, things like that I obviously we don't really know who paid for this study. Some people suspect it was Disney But I don't know guys. Anyways, we're gonna go into the comments section We're gonna give you our takeaways because this whole conversation It is almost like a proxy conversation for everything else But let's keep it Star Wars for now guys hit that like button check out other episodes of the hot pop boys Of course, there was a variation Andrew a lot of Star Wars fans that came out to defend themselves Some people were 5050 some people are like yep Star Wars fans are racist. That's why they didn't like it But the main comment was defending themselves being like nope. No, no, no You're not gonna call me aist. You're not gonna call me a sexist. You're not gonna call me a racist We don't like the gen 3 Star Wars movies because they suck and the writing is bad and the characters are wack Yeah, I think objectively speaking even as an Asian guy who is not really well represented in Star Wars minus Donnie N Uh in the newest Star Wars, I would say that I didn't like these movies I didn't like any of these stars or wars movies and it's not because of I have something against the characters Obviously, it was literally the stories and the characters. They're just more interesting. No, the dialogue is kind of sucks Yeah, and just they weren't captive written written cat in a captivating way But but but Andrew does that completely absolve the Star Wars fan base potentially of the the level of the hatred that they levied against the characters Oh potentially even the actors themselves. No for sure For sure. There are some racist Star Wars fans. Listen most Star Wars fans. I would assume are mostly male, right? And so like white male. Yeah So there is there is always like this undertone of possible like sexism, right? Where they're like kind of like wool. Oh, no, but at the end of the day the script was bad, man I does that murky up the argument of the the study because if the movie was so bad now It's like you don't know if there's correlation or causation and maybe even those fans themselves. They're so triggered You know, they don't even value the diversity. So they're like really hating it. They're the doubling down Yeah, the way I look at it is like from an Asian guy perspective, right? It's like I think I already accepted that Star Wars movies We're gonna be like a white hero like I was okay as long as they were great movies if the white guy was in the lead Right. That was just a white universe. Yeah, that was just yeah It was just a white guy who's the normal person than everybody else is an alien, right? And some of the aliens are even based off of like all the ethnic stereotypes in a weird way So obviously like I think it's just like as long as it was really good You'd be like I'll take the white hero fine fine fine. Whatever. It's Hollywood We're the nemoidians. Yeah, that's how you see us. Um, so I think just changing all the characters the gender And then there's a black eye. Oh now there's a white girl And then there's an Asian girl at the helm of it and then the movie being bad it almost correlated the two That's what people think I could see it being causing a lot of cognitive dissonance for the old legacy fan base somebody said hey guys How can Star Wars fans be racist if we loved Lando Calarissian in the original 1980s series? And we actually really liked Mace Windu in the gen 2 series as well. So how can you call us racist? Those were side characters. Oh, yeah, that's not the main character, but also we're I think objectively speaking Those were cool characters. Yeah, come on. You're talking about Samuel Jackson and then the older actor I don't know who plays like we said guys. He is cool Complicated I get it Lando Calarissian was more organic diversity. Um, you know, I guess How do you think that this audience views like forced diversity because I would say more minorities that are not as invested in the Star Wars franchise They're just happy to see it even though they acknowledge that the third-gen movies weren't that good Whereas other people are like the diversity ruined everything Yeah, I think that It's just sucks because what happened was diversity went up and then the quality went down So people correlate those things as being connected even when they shouldn't be there is in a world a possibility Obviously, and we've seen it before how diversity can not hurt the quality of the product If not even making me make it better. Yeah, I mean and I do think the problematic part is when the fan base is like Oh John Boyega and Kelly Marie trans should never work again They were so bad in this where it's like John Boyega himself was like, hey guys I get it my character was not very interesting was kind of bland, but that's just the way they wrote it as an actor All I can do is read the script. Yeah, I think obviously, you know, you're the face You're the actor you're gonna get a lot of the glory if the movies good And you're also gonna get a lot of a bashing if it's bad But I thought that the outrage which happened years ago Against Kelly Marie and John Boyega I was I would say that that was stepping into the lane of like, yo Star Wars fans are and I'm not saying these are all Star Wars fans Well, you got a vocal minority like maybe the 15% You guys go to OD because I feel like they see that as like a treasure and when you change the treasure That legacy up then people feel like it's almost like white history is being erased I like that's almost like what it sounds like sometimes, of course There was a lot more comments saying yep. Yep. Yep The fan base was clearly racist and other people being like Disney paid for the study They're just trying to make us look bad because nobody liked the movie and all the critics panned it Of course guys, we could just keep looking at different, you know Reactions on the internet forever, but doesn't this ultimately come down to money Andrew? Like a lot of people are betting on diversity for several reasons, right? I think diversity or quote-unquote as the the anti-woke crowd calls it like box checking That's for two reasons, right? One because people think it's a moral imperative after Hollywood has been like white dominated for a hundred years Or at least like the global media narrative has been right and then number two people think it's good for business But I guess as if I was a legacy fan base and I was an older person Maybe I don't care about either of those things. Yeah I mean I think that a lot of people believe that if the story is good and the character is good that they'll be able to look past It no matter what color or you know creed that they that person comes from however, you know, you know us I think race and culture still matters on how it's perceived So maybe things are not really set equally, but I think when you are increasing diversity, you got to make sure that script is good I think that's very important because you know now People are gonna correlate the two and they think oh as diversity gets more then the stories are gonna get worse And you can't let people think that I guess point number two is as we sort of transition away from the cis white male Driven everything whether that's the Oscars or whether that's Star Wars Do you expect this sort of culture war to go back and forth Andrew where you have the legacy fan base? Where it's not I'm not really blaming up But they're definitely used to be it having it portrayed a certain way and it's drifting away from that and they're angry Yeah, I mean would you say that in certain ways like in certain arenas like maybe Like the dominant group in everything is not white You know I mean like like white people are the dominant group in Hollywood for example like white representation I'm media for example Right barely in the Western world white people were dominant for a long time before for example the NFL and NBA have been our Black-dominated. Yeah black-dominated and I remember when like Jeremy Lynn got what two covers on sports illustrated, right? Some players didn't like that some black players. I just brought it up like last week Yeah, and they were saying and they were making the point which there is some fair Fairness to it was saying that well because he's Asian and because it's rare that he's Asian obviously he got the affirmative Action was basically saying like Jeremy didn't deserve two sports illustrated covers even though he was doing kind of good Yeah, he wasn't doing that good and he's not that talented to get that right because that's only reserved for for great great players And I guess the only reason that we point that out was because I guess it's natural for any group That feels like they have a huge lead or they're the preeminent or the Dominant group in anything like if they have a 45 point lead and they feel like it's unfairly getting cut down to 20 Points that means that they just got cheated out of 25 points even if they're still up 20 I think the truth is like when you succeed at something or that art really read Resonates with you you take it to heart anytime something is changed about on you Yeah, and your identity anytime something has changed about it You feel like it's taking away from you and it's ruining the game. It's muddying up the legacy It's changing the game and to be fair, bro. A lot of Asians do that with food. They gatekeep. Yeah Shouldn't they as to the level that they do it I understand a little bit, but some of Asians OD on I'm officially not caring if a white person makes dumplings as long as The dumplings are good and they don't say that they're way better than the original dumplings Right as long as you just don't say the smash burger Potsticker is like the best potsticker ever on planet Earth Um, I guess let's just project this out five years Andrew Is this just gonna be like a volley back and forth like pong or like pickleball where it's like? Yeah, here's some diversity because we need to push the society forward I'm Hollywood and then the legacy fan base is like we don't like it But I don't have any space to express myself except the internet Well, I think maybe you could look at the Star Wars series that series that didn't do all those three movies I would say maybe you could look at them as a learning experience for everybody like that's a case study So that moving forward guys like hey just because we increase the diversity that doesn't make it a better movie automatically Right, we still have to make sure this story is tight. You know and the script is dope You know like I think for example if they switch James Bond into Idris Elba and made him black You know how like there was some talk about that. I actually think that would still work because he's still British Right, why couldn't he be black right and I think Idris is an amazing actor so he could do it too So that is actually a switch to a legacy story that actually might be interesting, you know, right? Absolutely like we said guys I get there are valid arguments on all side of course coming from my perspective I'm not like a Star Wars legacy gatekeeper type person myself. So I valued them Making thin and rose in it. I thought that was cool Especially to see Kelly Marie Tran as a Vietnamese woman playing that did I love those movies and those characters? Nah, they could have been way better to be honest But anyway, let us know what you think in the comment section below guys like we said I think we looked at it pretty fairly and intellectually honest Yeah, I think part of one last thing I think part of why this study is out and people are talking about it because it does kind of reinforce the stereotype that a lot of Star Wars fans are kind of like Those angry dudes on the internet the spin rails the pinned elves right the ones that look like possibly the comic book Man in the Simpsons and of course Maybe that same crowd came out against everything everywhere all at once saying they won the woke Oscars and stuff like that whether they You know, you agree that they're deserving or not Star Wars fans under the bus I do think that there's just a lot of angry people on the internet that comment racist things period every fan base as a distribution of different types of people just like society until next time anyway guys We're the hop-hop boys. 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