 You do contact, is that her? No, that's Jody. I see I get those two mixed up too. No, you're taking a twister. No, I'm taking a contact, the one with the alien. No, that's the one we're going to introduce is Masterpiece Theatre. Hey, we have a survey going on, bit.ly slash DTNS Survey 2018. 267 people have taken it. Have you? Let us know what you think. It helps us figure out what we want to do with the show. It's very helpful. You guys are awesome when you fill out these surveys. It only takes a few minutes. So do it now, bit.ly slash DTNS Survey 2018. Thank you in advance. Well, you thank you. Thanks to everybody who did it already. In advance. With their pants. There's a push-a-tea question on there, Justin. Ah, it's over. The feud's over. The beef is done. No, the beef is done. The beef is done, unfortunately. It got too hot, too quick. It did. It turned a corner and everyone was like, well, good album. Well, right now, with 259 responses, 60.6% responded to the question, who's side are you on with, I don't listen to Justin, so don't understand the question. I mean, I'll tell you, I really wish apparently there was a Drake follow-up in the holster, but it was called off. Really? That's, yeah. I mean, how do you follow that, though? Re-release. It gets really personal and weird. It's like, sure, let's go ahead and like. Good for sales. Let's accuse each other of having ghost writers, but then. Get those streams up. Yeah. Well, I mean. Them streams up. Or, you know, for all that could clown Kanye, he was going to release like four albums that he either produced or is his own in like four weeks. And they're like all the number one things. Like he has effectively owned this summer until Drake's album comes out at the end of June. And so, I mean, it is all on brand, although I don't know how on brand you want, you have a secret side. That's something that's hard to fit into the profit model. All right. Are we ready to go from Pusha T, Drake Beef, to WWDC? Pusha is I've ever been. All right. Here we go. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, June 4th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane. And from Oakland, California. I'm Justin Robert Young. We have a super-sized Monday of News, ladies and gentlemen. Not just Apple stuff, but there is Apple stuff. Let's thank our producer, Roger Chang, for joining us and helping us put it all together, Roger. Hello. And let's start with a few tech things you should know. As expected, WWDC. Apple announced a lot of stuff. We're going to talk about this a little later in the show. iOS 12, macOS Mojave, updates to WatchOS and TVOS, and something called Memojis. We will talk about this a little bit more later in our discussion. In other Apple News Friday, Apple approved an updated version of the Telegram app. The day before, Telegram CEO Pavel Durov said Apple had not updated the app since April after Russia ordered the app blocked in that country. That's all taken care of now. NVIDIA announced its Isaac platform at Computex. Computex is going on in Taiwan. Computex is powered by the Jetson Xavier system on a chip for intelligent robots. This is for robots. It uses the same processor as the Xavier Drive, which is a system on a chip for self-driving cars. The Jetson Xavier for robots system includes an octa-core ARM CPU, a Volta Tensor Core GPU, two NVDLA deep learning chips, and vision video and image processors. Xavier is capable of 30 trillion operations per second. If you are a developer who works on robots, you want to get the Jetson Xavier SOC. You can do so starting in August for $1,299. Probably the biggest news of the day, to be honest, just not the most numerous lines in it is what Justin's about to tell us about. Indeed, Microsoft confirmed it has agreed to acquire GitHub for $7.5 billion in stock. Microsoft expects the acquisition to close by the end of the year. Microsoft corporate vice president, Nat Friedman, formerly CEO of Xamarin, will become CEO and GitHub founder, Chris Wandsroth will become a Microsoft technical fellow. Microsoft says GitHub will operate independently, which is a big, big thing. GitHub, if you're not aware, allows open-source projects to use the service for free and charges for others. Microsoft uses GitHub and is thought by some to be its biggest contributor. Some developers are already switching to GitLab and at Lassian's bit bucket, GitLab says it is seeing 10 times the normal amount of repositories per day. I think there is a lot of backlash from people with a historical sense of Microsoft as the company that tried to kill open-source. And GitHub was the darling of the open-source community when it launched in 2011 because even though it's not open-source, it uses the open-source Git package that was developed by Linus Torvalds, the same guy who developed the Linux kernel. And it said, look, if you're doing an open-source project on GitHub, we won't charge you. We're only going to charge you if you're trying to make money off of it. Microsoft says they're going to continue to do that, but a lot of people who have been around the block don't believe them, although I tend to think that the new Sacha Mania means that they probably mean it. What is the worth of GitHub if you're not going to be GitHub? Yeah. And what Microsoft is positioning themselves to be is, I mean, they're part of the Linux Foundation, right? That's crazy talk. Microsoft is trying to be an open-source purveyor. They are trying to become Red Hat in many ways, not entirely, but in many ways. And GitHub plugs perfectly into Microsoft Azure cloud services if you can develop. GitHub's already included in some of Microsoft's products. Microsoft is very active on GitHub, like you said. This acquisition makes perfect sense to me, even though part of me that's been covering the space for a long time myself is like, yeah, Microsoft owed in GitHub, I don't know. I mean, the real question is, does GitHub operate independently as, of course, both companies are saying that it will. Yeah. It probably will, at first, will that change and it's going to disappoint a lot of people if that does change, but it doesn't necessarily have to. Yeah. I have a tendency to think that this is going to be a lot of storm and drawing over nothing, if you don't, you know, if you don't walk the walk in terms of preserving GitHub, I can't think of another way that Microsoft can strip-mind this, unless the idea is, ah, let's just spend $7.5 billion in stock so we can kill it. That'll show nerds. No, that's the Baltimore-era Microsoft fear. I don't think that's the Sacha-era Microsoft fear. My big opposition is more consolidation. The only thing I don't like about this is, now we've got another independent company under the Big Five. The New York Times reported Sunday that Facebook's device-integrated APIs launched 10 years ago, gave partners like Apple, Amazon, BlackBerry, Microsoft, and Samsung access to data on users and friends. The APIs let device makers offer Facebook features like messaging, address books, and the like button in the OS before apps were common. Facebook said in April it was winding down this API. Facebook and the device makers were beholden to strict agreements that adhered to Facebook's privacy policy and the 2011 US FTC agreements. Yes, the accusation here is that technically this is the same thing as Cambridge Analytica. Third-party data, including your friends' data, was held on some of these device makers' servers because back then you didn't have enough storage on the device, you didn't have the pervance of apps, and so to provide Facebook services through the operating system, that's just the way you had to do it. What Facebook's trying to argue is that, yeah, it was on their servers, but it might as well have been on ours because all of these companies were honoring our way of treating the data and were not sharing it with themselves or anyone else. If Facebook hadn't been through a bunch of questions already, I think that explanation might hold up, but people are doubting Facebook these days. Well, and they should. There should be a continued ongoing conversation about where our data is, who has access to it, how easily we can restrict it, and what the pathway of that data was in the past. I find it interesting, or I find it an interesting thought experiment at the very least, to look at this and go ahead and count the headlines of how far this story goes, and then look at the Cambridge Analytica story and then I think you will have a control and an experiment to find out exactly how much people care about data, absent a political context. Yeah, that's a good point. Because really, this is an old story. This API is almost dead anyway. It was device makers who know pretty much as much about you anyway, and it was the only way to do it back then. This is very similar to lots of other services that happened at the time. You don't have to do it that way anymore, and we've got better protections, and going forward, it should not be a problem. At Computex in Taiwan, ASUS announced the ROG gaming phone from the Republic of Gaming brand. It uses the Snapdragon 845, but they boosted it from 2.8 to 2.96 gigahertz, has a 6-inch 2160 by 1080 AMOLED screen running at 90 hertz with a millisecond response rate, support for HDR, 802.1180 Y-gig, lets you use the ASUS' Y-gig dock to mirror it to a TV, comes with three USB-C ports, 8 gigabytes of RAM, no word on storage. Ultrasonic sensors that can work as gaming triggers so your fingers don't get in the way of the display, 4,000 milliamp hour battery, a copper heat radiator for cooling. ASUS says that dissipates heat 16 times as well as a standard smartphone, and accessories will include an external cooling fan on top of that copper plate, a twin-view dock for a second mobile screen if you want to make a bigger display, and the mobile desktop dock for plugging into a PC. No price launches in Q3. A monster of a gaming phone that feels like something's gonna be something. What's your best guess on the price? A ballpark. Because this seems like a monster of a phone. 799. 799. Okay, well, I mean, that's not prohibitive if you like the specs and you're comparing it to the flagship phones that we're already used to paying for. What's this for? What? USB-C. Three of them, Justin. I'm genuinely interested. Like, unless we are looking at a world where people are really trying to... It's for Fortnite. I mean, it's for... But okay, is there a rich issue of people playing Fortnite on their phones? That I can't answer. Yeah, I guess I would be very, very interested to see exactly how big a files and how fast the gameplay that would normally... If you're saying I'm gonna port desktop stuff onto your phone, it's a different story than here's the best possible version of a mobile experience. Yeah, I agree. Windows Central, oh, sorry. I'll go ahead and take that over. It tells it that an upcoming Xbox One build adds a digital assistant section to the Connect and Devices menu which lets the user enable Cortana, Google Assistant, and Amazons. A word. Users would supposedly need to install the Xbox Skills app for the respective platform. Again, this is a little different than Microsoft buying GitHub, obviously. But another case in which Microsoft is saying, you know where we make money? The cloud. So we don't mind playing fair in the device area. In this case, the Xbox. And say, sure, we'll put Amazon Voice Services on there. We'll put Google Assistant on there. Why not? We're right next to Cortana. That's fine. So there you go. Agreed. Agreed. All right, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines at dailytechheadlines.com. All right, we're going to try our best to summarize the two and a half hour, well, it was two hours and 15, 20 minutes, amount of announcements from the Worldwide Developers Conference in San Jose made by Apple. The biggest announcements were made around iOS. No surprise it's called iOS 12. Let me summarize the announcements and then we can kind of have an open discussion. First, big news. iOS 12 will work on all iOS 11 devices and speed things up. So they're trying to say, we're not going to not work on your older device that as long as it used iOS 11, it'll use iOS 12 and it should, in fact, even if it's old, work faster. ARKit too with improved face tracking, realistic rendering, 3D object detection and a new augmented reality file format called the Universal Scene Description File or USDZ that they brought Adobe up on stage to talk about supporting. There also going to be a new default app in iOS called the Measure app using augmented reality for measurement. They did respond with their distraction reduction stuff. Do not disturb at bedtime. We'll keep those notifications from showing up. So if you check the time, you don't see a bunch of stuff that starts to wake you up. You can have notifications from single apps grouped together now so they don't pollute your screen even in the daytime. A screen time setting where you can say, I just, I don't want to use this app more than a certain amount of time, as well as some new parental controls. CarPlay allows third-party navigation apps. That's Waze, that's Google Maps, that's some of the Chinese navigation apps. There are new Animoji characters, Ghost, Koala, Tiger and T-Rex, as well as tongue detection capability. Thank goodness. Put in large letters up on stage. Memojis, as we mentioned earlier. Apple's photos group gets some new search capabilities, the ability to tell the best photos from an event, recognize and recommend people for sharing pics. A new For You tab. There's group FaceTime. You can actually take a group iMessage conversation and turn it into a group FaceTime if you want. And something called Shortcuts for Siri, which is kind of like Ift. It lets iOS users put together a bunch of different things and then create a custom launch word for it. You can also get background tips from Siri and create your own shortcuts. I think that if there is one gigantic meta story that comes out of this, is that the idea that Apple had to come out on stage and talk about how well this new iOS is going to work with your old phones not only signals the fact that they feel snakebitten by some of the battery controversy and just in general, well, my phone breaks right when the new phone comes out kind of griping, but also this is the calcification of the once burgeoning, you know, wild west of smartphones that now smartphones are so cheap and so commoditized that there is a value in saying, hey, you want to know what? Sure, you might not get the new iPhone X, but you get the 10 or the nine. Don't worry, you're still going to want to be up-to-date on our iOS because we don't want to encourage fragmentation as these phones get cheaper and cheaper and therefore you keep them longer and longer, but also that you are going to make sure that PR-wise, this isn't a problem. There were a couple of announcements that I genuinely thought, yeah, I made a joke on Twitter about, you know, RIP, the old tape measure, the analog tape measure, but that is the sort of thing where, yeah, I don't need to measure my couch all that often, but it will come in real handy. So there are a few things where I was like, wow, kind of weird, but really like that. What I found overall about the announcement was and anybody who watched the livestream, the whole thing started off with sort of a parody of sort of planet Earth, but it was developers, you know, as if they were animals and their natural habitat and like ha-ha or sort of poking fun. I didn't think it was in bad taste at all. I thought it was actually quite clever, but it was a little bit of the developer community making fun of itself, or at least Apple making fun of it. And then later on in the keynote, Apple going through these very clear steps of like, okay, we recognize that a lot of you have realized that you have an unhealthy relationship with your phone and we want to give you tools to make sure that you're dialing it back a little bit. Are you on Instagram too much? Are you doing this or that too much? You know, do you need to sleep more often? Is your phone keeping you from these things? It was, and I don't think any of these are bad tools to give people. I think they're actually very helpful, but having a company like Apple spend quite a bit of time saying, okay, we want to make sure that this is more of like a healthy experience for everybody and the fact that there are a lot of developers who aren't necessarily creating things that the overall community is good for everyone was interesting to me. That to me is a middle finger to Facebook and Google because Apple loves to draw a line in the sand and say, we make our money selling you phones. We're not trying to go like, we make more money when we invent a phone that everybody loves. They make more money when they milk more of your time for advertisers. And I think that is why they want to lead the way on that. Yeah. And I think Apple is saying, our developers make the good apps. We protect you from overuse and our developers make apps that aren't harmful unlike other people. And actually that weekly activity summary, I'm not going to use it necessarily to reduce my screen time, but I'm definitely, I just love analytics. I'm an analytics nerd. So I can't wait to see what it tells me about how I use my phone. I have a third-party app that does that for me right now. So it can be built into iOS. I should have been downloading that, but now that it'll be in the iOS, I won't have to think about it. So group FaceTime, I think, what is it? Up to 37 participants? 32. 32. 32. Well, can't imagine ever wanting to do that, but hey. Yeah. That sounds like- Well, I just mean like you've got a nice big number, so you shouldn't run into the limit. Exactly. Yeah. Right. For many people, their favorite thing to do on the mobile web is group chat. This is an extension of group chat. This is live streaming and mobile communication. I think is huge. It is one of the few inroads where I think the youth, the youths of America love to talk to each other over their phones and their tablets. This is a huge inroad into doing that because you can natively do it through a group chat. Well, and as they were explaining how it works, I kind of had to chuckle. Obviously we use Google Hangouts for this show, for our videos. So it's all the same. Oh, when someone talks, their face gets bigger and the others go away. It's like, okay, I know how that works. For a friend situation, really haven't tried anything like that. But for collaborative people working remotely, really helpful. All right. Let's talk about WatchOS 5 real quick. No surprise they focused on health and fitness. It will have automatic workout detection, which is great if you're running. It'll say, hey, it looks like you're running. Is that right? It will also be able to automatically end a workout. It's like, doesn't seem like you're running anymore. Can we just shut this off? Which I think is good. A walkie-talkie app, which is kind of a nifty demo. I'm not sure how much use it'll get in real life. Siri Shortcuts that we mentioned earlier, coming to the watch face. And I thought this was interesting, porting WebKit over. So particularly, like if you get a message, you can click and actually see a representation of the page. It wasn't clear if all pages will work though. They said it had to be formatted for the watch face. As with all WatchOS, it could turn water to wine and it's not going to matter if that thing doesn't run fast enough. And that is the key. The more seamless all these features are, the better it's going to be. If it's not seamless, they will be useless. Also, the podcast app, if you use the podcast app in iOS, that's coming to the watch. And you no longer need to say the trigger word. You can just raise the watch to your mouth and talk to it, and Siri will answer. As somebody who has never had an Apple Watch, and for no good reason, I just don't have one. I sort of watch a lot of the stuff with curiosity, but I pull my friends and I was like, there wasn't a podcast app? You couldn't listen to podcasts on your watch. And Tom said to me before the show, we were talking in our process Slack this morning during the keynote, there's other third party apps that I've been using, so it's not a huge deal. But it did surprise me. That seemed like something that would be very... You could control the podcast. You had to have the phone. And honestly, I almost always need my phone with me anyway for other reasons. So I don't find the independence of the LTE on the watch to be that big of a deal. That's why that app come into the watch. For fitness, that is... My wife, Ashley, bought the new phone just so she could run without... Sorry, her new watch. So she could run. See, that would be the watch things I have to carry on my person while I'm jogging. And it's funny because you watch a lot of this fitness stuff. They had the woman on stage who was on the exercise back. And it's like, if you're not into fitness or at least not certain kinds of fitness that Apple is pushing, I think a lot of it might be lost on you. But it is really helpful to have the watch be more independent than it was before. TVOS. Apple's gonna bring live sports news and access to canal plus salt and spectrum. Those are all three TV providers, canal plus in France, salt in Switzerland and spectrum in the United States. So that will work with the TV app. In other words, you could subscribe to cable, use the Apple TV as your box through an app, and then everything you're watching and recording on the Cloud DVR would show up in the Apple television app, which is very similar to what we thought Apple TV was gonna try to do by launching their own service. They've integrated some services, but no live services until now. Also, two other big crowd pleasers, Dolby Atmos. They will now support Dolby Atmos, and all of your participating film studio selections will be automatically upgraded, same as they did with 4K, probably not Disney. And something called Zero Sign In. If you get, for instance, with spectrum, your television service from the same company as provides your internet service, you won't even have to sign in to authenticate on the related network apps. It will detect that you're on that network and automatically sign you in and authenticate you. Which is huge. Just in the sense of it being a more seamless experience. Because you got your ESPN app. You know, I'm talking about myself and HBO and however many others. It's not hard to do, but it's cumbersome. Well, it seems like it solved that to a point, right? Because you could just sign in the once if it was participating. But it also encourages consolidation saying, oh, well, you should be getting your TV service from the same place as your ISP, which I know a lot of consumers don't want to do that. Well, I think Apple's just trying to solve a problem. If they can get an easier way, even with voice remembering passwords and signing into passwords, God knows if you have a smart password as you should in, you know, that is updated, it is a pain in the butt to enter it over and over and over again while you're signing into apps. Just bringing cable television apps onto the Apple TV is a huge step. It looks like that is becoming a trend. Spectrum has been pushing this thing for other devices like Roku here in the LA market. So I imagine this will become a big push when it comes to Apple TV. The TV app, which I think is good. I've used it increasingly more and more. It has become more useful for me on my Apple TV. It is there as a combat to crappy UIs on other platforms. And the more they can do that, they can just say, oh, you like Preacher? No, Preacher's ready. Here are the places where you can watch Preacher. Then awesome. Mac OS Mojave. It will be the name of the next one. By the way, all these operating systems in beta for developers today and then available to the public sometime later this year. Apple announced that there will be a new dark mode, something called stacks on the desktop, which can actually take your files and automatically collate them by kind, by date, or by tag, depending on what you want. Cleaning up your desktop a little. There's a new gallery mode for Finder that makes it easier, especially if you look at your photos. The news, home, stocks, and voice memo apps from iOS are available now on Mac OS, or will be, as part of a project to bring the iOS framework to Mac OS. That is something they've made very clear is we're not merging Mac OS and iOS. They put a big no up on the stage, but they are bringing the framework to make it easier to port these apps over. They did it with their own apps first, and they say they're going to give the tools to developers in 2019. They also extended some API protections that used to be around the basics of your settings. They now got extended to the camera, to the mic, et cetera. They're blocking tracking from like buttons and comment fields in Safari. That's a big shot at Facebook. And simplifying the specs that it uploads. Not talking about anything but native fonts, limiting what kind of information about the operating system it gives to websites that you're visiting, and that will make it harder to fingerprint you and tell which computer you're on, even if they don't say cookies. There's also an app store redesign, big announcements that Microsoft Office 365 and Adobe Lightroom Creative Cloud coming to the app store, so they must have reached some revenue deals there. And interestingly, HouseParty launched its Group Video Chat app on Mac today. That was not in the WWDC announcement, but talking about Group FaceTime. HouseParty's been doing that for years, and now they're available on Mac OS. Dark Mode got a big round of applause in the audience. I don't know, guys. Dark Mode? I mean, I don't know about... Dark Mode now. It's kind of a standard. It is. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just... It seems like something that... I don't know. Maybe the announcement of Dark Mode, everyone would be like, yeah, punny. I was like, is that sort of easy? You could just... Yeah. You open that laptop, and you thought it was, and it looks like they just opened up the Ark of the Covenant, and you're like... I get why people want it. I guess I just don't totally understand why it took so long, but hey, maybe they needed enough feedback to realize that it was a good idea. Yeah. They also announced Create ML, a new machine learning tool that you can use on your Mac. It can do vision, natural language, works in Swift, doing big machine learning training on a MacBook Pro, and Core ML 2 is now 30% faster and a 75% reduction in model size. So trying to push a little bit into AI there where Apple's kind of not seen as a competitor in AI. No, but they want to be prosumer AI. They want to be prosumer AR. This is where I think they see their next App Store being or leveraging the future of the App Store into being these kinds of hey, I know a little bit of coding but it was easier to do on a Mac and now I can do this cool AR thing and now I can do this cool machine learning thing. I think that's where they see the emergent I'm going to just do a hobby kind of coding thing which is more and more of a serious chunk of business. And then they spent a lot of time trying to convince people to use external GPUs as an advantage of metal for graphics. 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Let's do it. John had some feedback on the removal of Facebook's trending section we talked about this late last week. He says I'm actually sad it's going away. I hope the replacement is suitable. I'm a cord cutter. I work from home. I'm rarely exposed to cable news or even local news so I would use that trending section throughout the day almost as a breaking news section. I'm not a big fan of Facebook Taylor's the news per person but I wanted to give a quick snapshot of my trending section as of 9.30am Eastern Daylight Time. He sent us a screenshot and it was again not a lot of sort of tabloid stuff as I think that I had made it seem like mine always was last week. He said I'm not interested in half of it but I do find oh I don't know 75 to 80% of the evening news kind of worthy stuff as TMZ. So pour out a little coffee for the trending section this morning. Alright, thank you John. Appreciate the email. And thank you also to Justin Robert Young for joining us this wonderful WWDC Monday. Justin how's it hanging? Oh man, well it's going to be hanging a little more southern this weekend when I make my way down the California coast to San Diego on June 9th and Santa Monica in the LA area on June 10th for our Night Attack live shows. We're taking the show on the road in a way that we never really had before. That is myself and Brian Brushwood. The 9th we are going to be in the Gaslamp District of San Diego. You can get your tickets at nightattack.tv slash tour for both shows. We're going to do a little pub crawl that night and then we head on up to Santa Monica where Tom Merritt, Anthony Carboni and Andrew Maine will join us. I heard a little rumor that maybe even a cameo of Sarah Lane if we can get a little bit of her time. You can go ahead and get tickets. That is 7 o'clock p.m. at the West Side Comedy Theater in Santa Monica. 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We're live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 20, 30 UTC and you can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live. We'll be back tomorrow. Talk to you then. Good WWDC summary Tom Good stuff. Way to crush it. So much to cover. Well, it's funny too because I'm always looking at the time and I'm like we could go on. You guys were like, yeah. It's the wheel of time spinning around. It's one of those things where sure, we could go on because there's so much mentioned. How much of these things really warrant a lot of discussion? Yeah, a lot of the stuff is also going to come up again. We're going to talk about them again when they're launched. Yeah. Full metadata in the sidebar of Finder. I mean, I don't know if that'll ever come up again. I mean, even the Memojis. Oh, yeah. We talked about them. We didn't really, you know, it's sort of like, I mean, I think my gut reaction is just like, oh, that's silly. But it's like, well, that's what the post-show is about too. Exactly. But also that would be like saying, you know, emoji11.0 is silly. And we talked about that last week too. It's a thing that people use. Here's the thing. It's kind of cool that it's going to scan you and help you create a version of you like a me without you just having to build it. Right. Build it. And I'm curious, like, is it going to be really that different than just creating a me avatar in Nintendo? So we'll have to wait to see. Or a bit emoji. Yeah, right. I think it's just a little more animated. Yeah. Yeah, and it's tied to your own face. But it would be like saying, like, why would they do this? Nobody wants us. But it's like, well, no, but people do use that all sorts of those things all the time. Yeah, like, even if you can sort of say like, oh, that's, you know, not like some like really cool, you know, developer tool. It's something that surprises and delights the public. It's just a new take on making avatars that are a little more dynamic. Yeah. All right. I always hate it when things are kind of packed into that sort of like tone because like Twitter was just just away messages. Yeah. And it's like, yes, yes, and like, and I don't necessarily think that me emojis are going to be a big thing, but I didn't think Bitmoji was going to be as big as it is. And that's I can. I'm not saying it won't be big, but at the same time, I mean, I see the appeal, but like for me, the I'm in the same level of interest that I had in Bitmoji. So it's it is definitely definitely I think a age and cohort contextual thing. So depending on, you know, if you're an individual that uses a lot of emojis, this thing will be like the best the best thing since sliced bread. But I'm just saying when you're when you're when you're when you're messaging your kid with your silly emoji sticking your tongue out looking like a unicorn when you're messaging 32 of your closest children on FaceTime. 32 of my closest as opposed to the distant 32. Hey, you know, sometimes, you know, that's iOS 13 has a favorite when when humans start having litter of children instead of just one at a time. What are we going to call this show? We're going to call it tongue deducted. I feel like it should be a WWDC reference, even though I'd like to get him stuff. We could just say WWDC coverage. We could DTNS WWDC coverage is the closest so I would say WWDC coverage or the darkest WWDC ever because of dark mode. You could say I just say WWDC coverage. Yeah. WWDC and GitHub. Yes. It won't be funny. It won't be clever. Showa will make you click. Everything makes me click. Everything makes me click. You really don't like mashing up titles together, but I think today it's justified. Yeah, I do. Because the GitHub is like, that's a, that would have been a huge story. That was a big story all weekend. I don't know. It still feels like if it, I honest I think, I think as much as I don't know, like other than all the nice user features in the I mean, was there a I guess that that's just cementing their slow crossover of trying to carry over iOS attributes in those attributes. Yeah, they're not merging the operating system. They're trying to make easy to use across. I'm sure at some point they're just going to stick a fork in it and create an iOS. No, I actually don't think that'll happen. And that's why they put the big no on the screen. I think it's irrelevant for them to do that. I think what they're saying is cloud services make all of this. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. Like I honestly don't, I'm wondering the longevity of a Mac line as opposed to like a similar device that it stems or spawned out from an iOS development space. No, I think that I think there'll be a need for a Mac line for a long time. There'll be a need for bigger, more powerful lines with keyboards. I'm not saying that they wouldn't. I'm just saying like when you develop it, you're looking, you're developing it from a, like from a Mac standpoint, you're working from that direction as opposed to how do we enhance and how do we bring a powerful computing experience, but you take it from the perspective of developers who've been working on a mobile iOS side. Maybe. Apple would tell you no, that's why we've been out there hammering away that we're committed to professionals. They've said they were committed to a lot of things that well, yeah, okay. I mean, that's the easy rebuttal is like you say that, but I don't believe it. They said that well, they made a very vague illusion that the Mac Mini was still a part, important part of the line and that hasn't seen an update in what, five years? When they canceled it either, right? When they canceled something, that's when you know, okay, well, well then that that point it might as well be, you know, it's an afterthought. It's like one of those investments. It just could be a long update cycle. I mean, you know, remember Apple TV for a while was, you know, it was like they were just sort of playing in the sandbox and seeing what worked. Obviously Apple was working on all sorts of Apple TV deals with other companies and and updates to the to the I mean, I mean, is what they have right now the kind of device that most people would have wanted or expected from for the Apple TV? Yes. Well, I know, I mean, it totally depends on what I wanted from it. I think it would be after years of people saying, don't they even care about the Apple TV? It's like, yeah. I mean, there was obviously a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Apple TV was not this. I'm sure they had some ideas and they had plans and the worst, but I you know, based on the applause from the audience when it was brought up, it didn't seem all that exciting. I don't think that's what Sarah is saying. I think she's, but they have gone from saying it's a hobby to being committed and making a whole section out of it. Right. And and still trying to and trying to develop it as a legit product category. I hear what you're saying, Roger. It's like Mac Mini, the Mac Pro, you know, there are certain beloved hardware products. I mean, I think that's your biggest argument, Roger, is not that is not whether they'll meet it or not. It's like, well, you keep saying you're going to do a Mac Pro and we haven't seen it. And then you didn't even mention it at WWBC. And that's the big smoking gun is like, where was it? Why didn't you say anything about it? And it understand. I'm not saying that, you know, they're going to just kill everything off, but it just feels like they're just keeping their big toe in the water just in case they want to take the plunge but not necessarily committing at the same time. Well, but they have said we're committing, right? They've come out and they like took tech crunch on a tour and they made a big deal about the iMac Pro. We've got a Mac Pro coming you're going to love and and and so I'm like, OK, so they addressed your concern, Roger, but the other shoe hasn't dropped. So it's not toe in the water. They've said, no, we're stepping in the water. We're going to put our whole foot in the water. But the the toe has it. The toe is the only part that's still wet. I can say I have plans to lift my family out of poverty, which they aren't in. But, you know, it's until you make that move, it's still just, you know, it's still a PR thing to me. Yeah, but you were I guess what I'm saying is you were describing it as they just want to keep a toe in the water just in case they want to. And that's that's what they're saying. They're not saying they're saying we're absolutely committed to it. And and we've seen them go part way with the iMac Pro. But they seem to take a lot longer to do things. Well, I think that's actually the bigger thing with Apple is everything that they say they're doing takes years to happen. Well, and at the same time, Apple made a big deal about this being a software announcement, which it was. Yeah. And that is where it's like one more thing. Oh, we're going to get like a surprise new iPad or that sort of thing. It's like, I don't know what's going on anymore. So I don't, you know, my whole take is that they're going to draw out the whole Mac thing until they have in-house a feasible a fabable, you know, replacement for Intel. Like that's when I think they'll push on and they may not even call it a Mac. Then this is what it was getting. No, but they've come out and very credibly said, no, that's not what we're going to do. So I mean, you could just not believe them, I guess. And I think it's clear to say like, well, if that is what you're going to do, when are we going to see that? But that is, I mean, I just I feel like for accuracy sake, you have to bring up that they have contradicted that exact statement and said, no, that's that we're not doing that. And I understand that. And I know what they said and I just that again, this is my feel on that it won't I think they it doesn't mean that when they string it out, they're not going to introduce new models. They're not going to put updated processors in it, but they are not going to like it's very unusual for a company to say something as definitively like that and do press tours just to fool people. I guess. Oh, no, I you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying they're probably committed to a future computer line, but it will not be the Mac that you know and that I think they will have pro line gear, but it will not be what you know right now. And I think what, but no, it won't be. But what they were saying in these these tours last year was this will be this will be high high spec stuff. You know, this will be able to do high processor stuff. We're not backing away from the pro user. Part of it. Yeah, maybe I've seen them back away out of the server market and I've seen them when they went up. Yeah, but they never said we're not backing out of the server market. They just sort of went like yeah. Fourth July, August, September, it's like only three months before we might get the hardware announcement that you were hoping to have today, Roger. I maybe I'm not saying that's happening. I have no inside information about it. I am definitely I am definitely 5050 on the whole thing. I but at the same time I'm you know, at some point you get kind of fatigued on waiting. That's fair, right? I think it's unfair to say I'm fatigued and therefore I don't believe you're ever going to do it. I I'm with you. I'm not buying a Mac pro that I actually think would be really good for my current setup in my home studio because I'm waiting it out. So yeah, you know, I wanted to but I don't think it's like paperware. So I think part of it is I don't I'm not taking an all or nothing approach. What I'm saying is that yes, they have a plan roadmap that takes them to where they be but I think part of that roadmap is just a very long straight road of we'll just give you incremental updates until we have everything in place so we can do what we want to do and I and this is what I was looking to before. I think there, you know, when they're redesigning and developing this hardware, they're going to be taking a they're going to be looking at it from the iOS kind of arm mobile, you know product market and looking at it from that way instead of what people think traditionally is a Mac which is hey, let's look at a Mac from the way the Mac was developed, you know, the original fat Mac all the way to the power PC and all the way to the Intel Mac change over where everything was just a very computer centric viewpoint and development, you know philosophy to one of more hey, let's look at it from more of a smartphone tablet iOS connected online environment and we'll develop it that way. That's not what they've said they're going to do though. I this part of it, okay. All right. And I guess the reason I keep pushing that is they actually sat down with multiple outlets to address exactly what you're saying right now and say we know we hear people saying that this is what we're going to do. That's not what we're going to do. So the fact that they haven't actually continued down that road much farther is concerning I get that. Yeah, and I what I will say and I just said this is like talk is part of it. The other half is the action right. Well the iMac Pro is the only action so far and they showed prototypes so it wasn't like they aren't developing it. You see you see what WWDC does to us no I just I am voicing my opinion on the whole matter. And I'm glad you are Yeah, I wish I could find a good I mean I read all those and I understand what you're saying I just I'm just saying that it's not like because they've said that and they've done that that means they necessarily will be turning around something that I think what people want. I mean I mean time will tell. I think we all can agree on that. Yes. From Reuters real quick before we say goodbye Japan's sharp close to deal to buy Toshiba's PC business. I remember Toshiba just ditched off their memory business to Bane so the long dismemberment of Toshiba finally coming into. We will definitely be revisiting this on the show tomorrow. Indeed. All right bye video folks tomorrow or maybe more Hey arguments they keep us young to learn.