 That thing you did a long time ago, that diet, that workout plan, that whatever, that worked. You know, the one that made you lose weight and feel amazing, but then you gained the weight back or whatever, and now you're looking back and saying, I'm going to do that again because it worked. No, it probably won't. What you did before that worked for you before isn't guaranteed to work again. Things change. Get older. Your lifestyle changes, context changes. There's lots of things that change, so what you did before might have worked before, but it doesn't mean it's going to work again. You're a different person now. Look at it that way. Old rules don't apply. What made you think of that? Well, how many times did you get a client who says, God, this is the thing I did. I did this one thing. I lost weight. You know, before I just cut my carbs and totally worked for me or I followed this one workout and it was really great and it was awesome and, you know, it all worked for me. It just ran a lot more. Yeah. And I look at it. I'm going to go, when did you do that? 15 years ago. Did you have kids? 15? No, I don't have kids. What was your job like? Well, it, you know, it didn't work like I do now or, or yeah, I'm 45 now. When I did that, I was 25 or whatever. And I get it by the way. I understand this. When you have success with something and then later on you have that problem again. You look back and go, well, it worked for me then. Why can't it work for me now? But everything changes. Especially, and including the context of your life. Not to mention just your age. A lot of things change as you get older and your lifestyle changes and what you might have done before might either be too much, not enough or just inappropriate. And people tend to get attached to that one thing that worked once so much. So I don't know if you guys ever experienced this that people will continue to try it over and over again because it worked out one time. Yeah. And I feel like too, you could kind of lump in some of these crashed diets into that equation just because there's pictures of when they would portray themselves as, oh, I look the best here. And I, and it's like this, this weird, like, I guess, dissonant kind of cognitive dissonance that they have in terms of like what was actually happening versus like how they really felt when they're going through that process. Like sometimes they just like conveniently forget that part of it and just look at like what they'd like to see themselves. Do you think that has more to do with where their bodies are currently at right now or that they saw results 15, 20 years ago, despite or in spite of the actual bad choice it was like to do it that way? Like meaning, you know, for example, you definitely have heard this. Like, well, I just would just, I would cut out all the alcohol and start running every day for five miles and I would get in two weeks. I'd be in great shape. But it's not working now. Yeah, yeah. And now it doesn't work anymore. And it's like, well, you know, that, that wasn't a good strategy even 15 years ago. It's, and it definitely isn't a good strategy now. So do you think it has more to do with that? Or do you think there's seriously something going on with their, their lives and their age and their hormones? And also how about this? During those 15 years, how many times that they gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose and add fat cells to their body, right? I mean, so all of those things. Oh, look, let me ask you guys this. I know how I'd already know the answer. Blas, he has this. When you guys were 23, could you go out with your friends, drink, stay out till two, three a.m. wake up at seven a.m. the next day, go to work, train clients, work out and be like, okay, yeah, what happens if you do that now? It's like dead man walk. I mean, there was a time in my life where I just had to look at a treadmill and I could lose weight and say, it's not true anymore. I've tried it. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I'll go and stare at it for like 15 minutes. Does it work like that? Well, I mean, there's a lot of, look, I used to say this all the time as a, I remember too having, cause I was a young general manager, right? So when I was managing gyms, I was 19, 20. So I had a lot of staff members that were in their late 20s, some in their 30s, especially the other management team were being their mid 30s. And then older managers were in their 40s, right? And I would say things like, I'll sleep when I'm dead or whatever and they'd say, oh, well you're going to change your tune when you get older. And I, I did not believe it. I did not believe it when I was at age. Yeah, I, you slept there a week. Yeah, whatever dude, I just go, you know what I mean? I could just do this, right? And then of course, as you get older week and you let yourself go. Yeah. You look back, you're like, wow, it was true. There's definitely, there's definitely a big difference. And, and this is, that's just it. There's like a lot of things that change. Look, okay. To give you an example, when scientists are doing studies, they have to do really good controls. Okay. What that means is, is if you're, if you're, if you're testing two groups of people on a drug or a method or anything, the more you can control everything else and make it identical, the more accurate the study is going to be. Because if group A has terrible sleep and group B has great sleep, then maybe the intervention wasn't when made them feel better or cause the fat loss or whatever. The sleep played a role. So we can't possibly know. This is why twin studies are so, are so valuable because you can, at least you can control the genetics, right? But then there's still lifestyle. That's why the, like the gold standard for studies is like, let's lock these people in the lab and watch them and give them what to eat and give them what to drink and, you know, control as much as we can. So it's like, you know, as you get older or you handle more stress in your life, like, okay, well, you didn't have a mortgage, you didn't have two kids. You didn't, you know, go through a divorce or losing a job or whatever. Um, it's just, it's just different now. This, you know, this really hits me as I've gotten older and I've been consistent this entire time with my workouts and stuff, but, you know, my hard head will look back and be like, well, I used to be able to do that much volume. I used to go that intense with my workout. This can't be too much volume. I have the symptoms of doing too much, but this, this was never too much for me. And then I remind myself like, well, yeah, that was, I don't know, 20 years ago, you know, my body's responding a little differently now. So, um, yeah, it's not the same. I'm not the same person. Well, my first thought, you know, getting somebody like this that has been out of training or nutrition for, you know, years and they're trying to get back into it. And they have this perception of what they used to do is to test and really get an accurate account of like where they're at right now. And like, now that we have this at our disposal, we can just get like, um, testing in terms of, uh, what you're deficient in nutrient wise, like your hormones, like just so you can account for, you know, what you're working with right now, because it is going to be so much different than who you were like 10 years ago or whatever. I mean, I've shared this before. That was like one of the recommendations. I remember when I first met Katrina, that, you know, she would not only did her mom say this to all our kids, but anyone I ever heard talk about health was like, she'd always recommend that you go get your blood work and everything done when you're young, when you're early, like in your late twenties or early thirties. She'd be like ideal profile. Yeah. So you have an idea. Yeah, because a lot of us don't do that, right? What do we tend to do? We wait to go see the mechanic till something's broken. Right? You know, we wait to go see the doctor after we see symptoms or like the bad stuff versus, Hey, you know what? I feel really good and vibrant young right now. Let's go see where all my levels are at. So I kind of know where homeostasis is for me. You know, speaking of that, uh, how has your journey been on, uh, the less testosterone or no testosterone? How long did you last? Uh, you know, like four weeks or so. And so I went off and did the pro and doing the protocol to get my body's testosterone to kick up. And there's going to be a lag where, you know, before everything else kicks in, you're going to experience kind of low testosterone and it sucks. It sucks, man. My, my libido, I could tell, obviously, you know, went way down and just less drive, you know what I mean? Where you just kind of like, whoa, you know, it just didn't feel the same. Um, it just didn't feel good. I felt bad. So yeah, I failed. So I went back on testosterone and I may attempt this again in the future. Um, I'm glad I did it cause it helps me connect to, um, you know, when men call in or whatever, and they have some of these symptoms, but it's, it didn't, it doesn't feel good. It was right around week three where I could tell like, oh, I'm something's different, like working out. So what? That's about what it takes. Yeah. The first two weeks, you'd still in your system, right? You're still at, especially when you're running at high levels, like you were running, it takes a good solid two weeks before that completely comes down and week three was about when I really started. I was going through the motions in my workout, which I've done before in the past, if I've gone through something stressful or whatever, or I'm just, I'm doing the motion, but I'm like, it's not, I don't feel it like. Oh, I remember how much I lost the drive to even work out. Like, uh, I lost my love for it. Like, I mean, I love to work out. I mean, what we all do is half of why we've, we have a passion in the field, right? As we, we truly enjoy the process of lifting weights and I remember for the first time in my life, I had lost that. Like, I was just like, I don't like this and I'm not enjoying it. And it's, and so it did help me connect and relate to so many clients who have expressed that before. And I did it for such a short time. I get, I 100% did not feel the full effects. I would have to have gone another month or two, but I felt where I already was. And I was like, why am I doing this? Like, this isn't like, I'm not trying to be off forever. I've already, you know, accepted this is going to be something I'm going to be taking for, you know, for the rest of my life. Did you find yourself drawn to more lifetime original content? Yeah. You know what, it's funny. It's not that I got more emotional or anything like that. It just made me, I don't know how to explain it, blah, you know, just kind of lose your I think of all the things that I noticed the most was the drive, the drive to just to get up and do stuff. I didn't want to home. I didn't want to move and do anything. When I go to the gym or like, I didn't want to work out. Like it was that of all the things that I noticed, I noticed that the most, you know, my libido was a little bit affected. But it wasn't like that wasn't, that wasn't dramatic, not like, not like the drive side. And I guess maybe people I noticed my libido was like really crashed. Oh, did it really bad? Yeah. I mean, mine was mine did, but not horrific. Like it wasn't where I, you know, didn't want to have sex at least once or twice a week. Right. So I mean, that's not horrific, right? But the big thing was the drive was the drive to want to get shit done to, you know, and maybe, maybe if you are that kind of type A personality, you, you recognize that extreme. Probably feel a bit more. Yeah. Yeah, that's the other end of the spectrum even more because you're on the probably the further end of that spectrum too. You know, back to the, you know, original topic, you know, just focusing on the age part is an important one because, you know, as trainers, this was always a touchy one for us because a lot of times people place things that are not associated with getting older. Yeah, you know, they place symptoms on their age when they don't have to do, it has nothing to do with their age, it has to do with their lifestyle. So like, oh, it's because I'm getting older and say, well, no, it's because you eat crappy, you don't, you get bad sleep. You're not exercising properly. Super sedentary. But, but on the other end of that is there are real things that happen as you age. So it's not like nothing happens. There's definitely things that happen as you age. A lot of it has to do with, and we kind of talked about this, is that you got results when you were younger in spite of the shitty workout programming, the improper diet and the lack of sleep. And so now that you're still doing those things, you just can't get away with them like you used to. Right. So for someone who's, you know, as you get older, you got to use your wisdom. And so what that means is you got to pay attention to other things. You got to pay attention to not just your workout program has to be appropriate. Here's the deal. When you get older, you can't have extra fluff in your workout. All that's going to do, everything has to be intentional. Correct. You're, if you're, if there's extra stuff in your workout, you're not getting any benefit from it. All you're doing is compromising your recovery, which you probably already have slightly compromised because a 45 year olds lifestyle is oftentimes way more responsibilities, more, way more stresses than when you were 25 or even 30, right? So you probably have kids, you probably have mortgage, you got a job. So, um, so there's more life stresses and then as you get older, your body is going to recover a little, it's going to take a little more time to recover that kind of stuff. So really a lot of it has to do with you can't get away with what you did before. So a really smart way to approach it is look at your workout. No fluff. Let's make this as effective and as appropriate as possible. Let's look at training my body around potential movement pattern issues I've developed because you've just been on earth longer. So you probably have some aches and pains that are the result of you moving a particular way for 20 years or whatever. You got to focus on that. And then you got to look at the rest of your life. You got to look at the lifestyle stuff. So like a 20 year old, you know, I'll talk to them about that kind of stuff as well. But somebody's 45, 55, 65, the harder sell. We're, yeah, we're looking at all the other stuff as well. And then when you do that, here's what happens, okay, because now I'm going to, I'm going to flip the script here and just now that I've crapped everybody out who's over 40, I used to get this all the time. I would get clients who when they would get on board, we'd figure this out, take a little while, but then we would do things right. They'd say to me, I feel better now than I did in my 20s. I'm in the best shape of my life. And I used to get that all the time from people who are well, is there a way that you have either found to reframe that process for either yourself or for your clients. I feel like that's what I had to do was to make that connection because it, there's like instantly you think, oh man, this sucks. I used to be able to just do this and I would get these results where now I have to focus on my sleep. I do this cold plunge thing now. I have to take these walks. I have to do these positive affirmations I have to do to do all these things to get these kind of results. The, the reframing for me has become connecting the dots just like we try and do with exercise with clients to all these other behaviors in your life that you need to focus on in order to see the same kind of results as you saw or better results than you saw in your 20s as they have carryovers in other aspects of life. Yes, totally. So it's like maybe my main goal is to just lose 20 pounds of body fat or say build five pounds of muscle and you know your point that you're making right now is there's other things that we need to address. Say sleep is an obvious example, but it's not like addressing sleep only really benefits my body fat loss and our body composition goal. What's cool is that, oh, wow, that might have been the driver of why I started to focus on it. But oh, wow, now that I notice I'm getting better sleep, I'm more productive at work. Yes, I'm a better husband. Yes, but better father. Like I feel better in the morning time. Now I'm not this angry morning person anymore. Like, you know, so reframing all these things now that that I'm older, that I have to focus on to get the same kind of results that I did when I was younger. That's OK, because I'm starting to realize that, oh, all these other things that I do in order to get those kind of results have so much carryover into other aspects of my life. 100 percent. It's not just about the aesthetics. Now, once you start implementing and looking at those other things, everything else gets a lot better. Everything else gets a lot better. But yeah, it's like, you know, you don't what do they say youth is wasted on the on the young. You just got away with a lot. Is really what it was. I mean, I look back at my life and how I worked and how I slept and the supplements I took and how I worked out and all that stuff. And I got away with it. It wasn't nothing less. It wasn't ideal at all. Well, you didn't really know your limitations. You didn't really, you know, I guess it's it's a bit of an experiment when you're younger. And you're just really kind of putting all those you're testing all of those factors. And that's the advantage you have when you're older is you know how your body is going to respond a lot of times to, you know, certain things and to be able to take a little bit more of the ego out of it, especially, you know, as I was younger, you know, I wanted to press it and all constantly like throttle and I would always go over. Now, here's the deal. OK, I'll say this is as a obviously as a trainer, you give me a 25 year old or you give me a 45 year old and they're both like pretty serious about, you know, working out, whatever, getting fit. It's easier to get the 45 year old to apply a lot of other things. A 25 year old is going to be like the buying over work with a 25 year old kid. He's trying to laugh at you. Well, and that goes back to the original point of you get to you get to see these results at 25 in spite of your good training diet and all those things like that. Whereas with the 45 year old, it requires all the things. But then the positive wiser, the positive side to that is the 40 plus year old that you get to change some of those behaviors. They see huge differences. I mean, it was I mean, even like testosterone, testosterone taking testosterone for me at 40 something years old versus what I took in doses in my mid 20s is like, like, I remember in my mid 20s, I think I feel it. I think I kind of feel it. It's like, oh, no, there is no. And by the way, two to three times the dose that I take now at 40 years old, which is like tiny compared to that dose. But yet I feel it way. It makes a way bigger difference in my life today than it did when I was 25 and already probably had high enough testosterone as it is. I feel the same thing goes when you are taking a, you know, 40 plus year old client and you're getting them to follow some of these things and change some of these behaviors. They change it where a 25 year old, you tell them like, oh, prioritize your sleep and do this and that. And then you ask them, how did you feel? I say, huh? Yeah, the same. I get it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, really? You only got two hours of sleep, though, three days before that. Now you felt the same after eight. Yeah, there's a lack of awareness. There's a lack of that kind of awareness. I remember having that. There's a lack of awareness. There's resiliency in youth that they have on their side. There's a lot of things that are going in that direction. I feel like where 40 plus you feel the needle get moved when you, when you. You can. But look, I tell you what, there's a lot of world records set by people in those age groups in terms of strength. Your body never loses the ability to adapt so you can always build muscle. You can always burn body fat. You just have to apply it all the right way. I don't am I allowed to even talk about this new program that have been are we allowed to talk about? You can let people know it's coming. It's coming. So I can let them know because I was trying to get your attention earlier. You were busy doing something. So we have something coming out for people like this who are over 40 specifically. Yeah. And it's the only I think it's the only program that includes lifestyle, not just workout and, you know, the obvious stuff, obviously get your workout, everything planned out with the considerations of somebody who's over 40, but you also get more lifestyle stuff. Well, I've noticed that makes a big difference. I mean, in my opinion, it's the most important part of the thought that went into writing this because there's not a lot of different exercises that I'm going to do with somebody at 40 than I would at, say, 25 or 30 years old. Maybe I have take some things into consideration, right? Because of joint health and wear and tear and things like that. So there are some considerations. And obviously we built those into the program. But the biggest thing that I think is focused on with my clients that were, you know, 40 plus was the attention to the lifestyle to the point we're making right now of all the daily habits that you could peer into. We've never touched any of those in any of our programs where we've actually written stuff. We ask every single session correct. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to get data points and this just makes it easier for them to self-assess and go through that process. And if you've listened to the podcast for long enough, you've heard all this advice. This is just the first time that it's programmed like we program how would you teach it? So if we were to take a client who agrees like, OK, nodding their head. Yeah, I want to start some of those things. Oh, yeah, I need to do that. OK, well, how do I how do I get a client to start to adhere to those things? Well, this is what it looks like. Here's what it looks like. Oh, yeah. Oh, good. That's going to be exciting. No, I'm just I mean, it's actually it's been a while too since I've decided that I was going to actually follow one of the programs where this is like perfect timing for kind of where I'm at in my training diet and stuff like that. Today's YouTube program giveaway is Maps anabolic advanced. Here's how you can win that program. Leave us a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Also subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If we pick you as the winner, we'll let you know in the comments section. Also, we have a sale going on this month. Maps, old time strength, half off and maps obstacle course racing OCR. That's also half off. If you're interested in either one, click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Speaking of which, I know we can't really talk, give too much detail, but how was your guys' experience in Mexico? We know we did some we'll be able to talk about this later, but we did some treatments and stuff out there that we'll talk about later. But how was your experience so far? Any Oh, so far, so good. Yeah. Yeah, everything's going well. I mean, I particularly enjoyed the place we stayed in, you know, a little bit of a nice little getaway for a bit on top of it all. I'm doing my best to hold back my excitement. You know that I'm probably the most skeptical. I'm like, you have the most visible. Yeah. And I mean, we could talk specifically about what you want out of it. Yeah. So what what sold us on going down there, I mean, all of us actually started with me, right? So it was my conversation with Dr. Khan and telling stressing to him about everything that I've done to try and put my psoriasis in remission and nothing has worked as far as putting it into remission. We've done things. I've done a lot of things like the red light therapy and vitamin D and there's a lot of stuff that they all do something. Oh, yeah, they all they all help it, right? They've all caldera helps it from the getting dry and itchy like so I've used a lot of the products and the things that we've worked with and they've all had positive things towards it, but nothing has put it in remission. It's still been something that I've just accepted for 20 years in my life now that oh, I might just have this for. And of course, I have a dressed diet, right? Because that's the it's an autoimmune. So let me see what foods I get rid of a done the food sensitivity test with cabral. I eliminated some of the things that were on there for 60 days thought that really didn't do much. Yes, it helped like helped again with it like it but it didn't put it in remission where when I talked to him, he's like, oh, we can put this like you do this, this and this, which we'll talk about later. We can't get into details yet. But he's like, he was confident. He was so confident that I remember like Katrina was like, are you excited? I'm like, no. And she's like, how could you not be excited? I'm like, because I don't I don't want to get so sold on that we're going to be able to put this thing in a remission and then give me disappointed. Yeah. And then maybe disappointed and like, you know, I get a little bit of results from it and I'm like, oh, cool. Well, that's great, but it's not remission. It's a different that's different, right? Where he looked at me again after I told him, you know, like, you know, I'm just hoping that this makes it a little bit better and stuff like that. And he's like, no, we're going to solve it. And I'm like, who says that? Yeah. I was like, I'm excited like that. Oh, yeah, he's like, it's not a matter if it's a matter, you know, you depending on how bad it is, you might need a couple treatments. He goes, but oh, yeah, we'll we'll get to the bottom of this. That's crazy. We will solve it. And I'm like, that happens. Yeah. So this is a double edged sword for the for, like I said, we can't get into too much detail. But if it works, God, you guys can be amazing if it doesn't work. Yeah. What I will share is it's I'm I'm getting excited and I'm trying and I'm having to hold it back. And the reason I am is because even in the in the 48 hour period that it's been, I'm already seeing positive signs in the right direction of things from not it's not itching at all. I see it already starting to dissipate, like, so there's a lot of really positive things that are happening right now that I'd like just I'm trying to reserve like the excitement around like, OK, let's see what, you know, talk to me in a few weeks and see where we're at. And I know he did say it should take about eight to 10 days for it to fully circulate and be able to see like really see and feel the benefits. So we're not even there yet. We're not even at the eight to 10 day mark where we're supposed to really feel and see the benefits. But soon we'll be able to tell everybody's like, what you guys did? What the hell happened? We'll talk about it. We'll talk. We'll get to it right now. It's a big secret. So. But I tell you what, the place we stayed was first time I ever stayed there before. That was a treat. And I had such a, you know, it's so cool to to. I don't know. I don't know about you guys. But like when I experience like over the top, really good customer service stuff, it always makes me curious to like the operation. Oh, yeah. Who's running this mind behind? Yeah, I just totally a Disneyland is like this, you know, as much as we all shit on Disney, right? But the actual parks are like this. You get that experience, right? They've built a culture. Yeah. Around serving people. Yeah. I feel like the Ritz has done that with the hotel. Like I think that was that stat you said about the Ritz was crazy that each person they have it. So they have a rule, right? There's this. There's this legit. This is for real. Yeah. It's called the $2,000 rule. And so the idea behind the $2,000 rule. This is a rule that they've they've embodied for, I think, a very long time with the Ritz. And the idea is that no employee has to get approval to spend $2,000 in order to solve a customer problem. Imagine empowering yeah, every employee like that. Yeah. I just think that's so cool that, you know, that's how much emphasis they put on taking care of the customer. Next time they go to the Ritz and be like, I lost I lost $1500. Yeah. I don't know if you can fix that for me. Yeah. So I mean, this inspired me to buy to buy the book. I just started reading the book. And so I'm sure I'll get into more. I'll have more stuff to share about exactly how that works and like what, you know, if there's any sort of rules, the way I understood it from what I've read so far is just like if there's an issue or a problem that is under that dollar amount that, say, a customer has that they'll just they have the ability to spend that money to solve that problem. So I think that's like, for example, I can imagine that you have there's been a time where a TV is broken or down and you call the front desk. What the hell? My TV is down. Like it's not like they have to go, oh, hold on, it's it's Friday night. We don't meet with our manager until Monday. Let me see what happens. Like they could probably go run down and buy a TV, have it replaced that day up on your wall, you know, right away and pay someone to do it because it could get that done under $2,000 and not need approval for it and not get a slap on the wrist because there's some of these brands just have such a long pedigree and heritage like just history and culture. Did I ever tell you guys when I tried to haggle at Tiffany? Did I ever tell you guys about this? You tried to haggle at Tiffany? I swear to God I did. That's funny. Because I was a young, stupid kid and I embarrassed myself in front of everybody and Tiffany. Because you were like a closer to salesman. Oh, bro. I did. I was like, no, listen, listen. It's what you're going to do. It's worse than that. It's worse. It's worse than that. You're going to give me that. It's worse, bro. I was a kid. OK, so please forgive me. But I literally looked at the product. I looked at it and said, OK, I'll take this one. You know, it's got the price on it, right? And I said, but I want to pay that. These are my words for a hook. I'm so embarrassed. I said, but I'll pay this out the door. And the guy looked at me like, what? Out the door. What do you mean out the door? You know, like that's the final price. So I could take the tax part. You guys take care of that. I'll pay that out the door. And he goes, and there's like people around me like shopping for like $80,000 watches and shit. So I know they're all looking at me like, that's just a kid, right? He looks at me and goes, I'm sorry, sir. We don't do that here. I said, well, I mean, like I said, I'll buy it. If you give it to me for this out the door. And he goes, he's really nice to me. He's like, I really apologize, but we don't even run sales. He's like, that's just how we operate. OK, I said, then I'm sorry, I'm going to have to go somewhere else. And I walked out very slowly because I was waiting for it. I was like walking, like waiting for him to be like, OK, sir, come back. He didn't say shit, man. I walked out. I literally sat on a bench for 30 minutes. Don't worry, you're going to call me. Hey, listen, no, I sat for 30 minutes. You lost my business. Because I knew I had to go back in. I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm going to go back and say it. And I did. I went back and said it out the door, bro. I said that as Tiffany's. I mean, since you brought this up, I've been thinking about it since I've been reading the book and so that just kind of speculating, right, on what the future holds for brands and stuff like that. And historically, obviously, brands like that have survived and done really well. I think they're going to thrive in the direction we're going to, which is ironic because we have talked before about, we're moving into this future of anything and everything you want will be free and that you're going to be able to 3D print stuff. And it's like, OK, well, what about some of these brands that are so expensive then? Are they going to have to come down in price? I'm like, you know what? I think they've done such a good job of delivering this personal customer service type of experience that those are going to be the two ends of the spectrum. You know, either be you spend ridiculous money because you've got it to burn and spend it and you value that type of experience or you'll spend next to nothing because you get it printed or nothing or cheap or share it with somebody else or like, you know, whatever that may be. So I think we're just going to see these massive gaps where a lot of the in the middle stuff is going to die off. You're going to have to either compete with the super inexpensive model or you have to compete with the over-the-top expensive model, but I think it still survives. I think it survives and thrives in the future. It just, we're going to, we're all the stuff, the middle. It's funny, dude. I've always respected brands that don't do sales the most. Yeah. Those are always the ones, and it sucks because I always want, like I said, then they never have it. And those are always the products I gravitate to because it's like, you know what you're going to get. Like they're not, they're like, our product speaks for itself. And that's really is like a statement to the quality and the value of it for the most part. So it's like, I think that's always going to stick around because people know it's like, this has always been this way. They've built a track record for that. It's like, you can make up your own shit version of it, or you could go like, or you could gamble for something else. Have you guys, you guys ever watched the videos on, those like clips? There's a lot of clips of people. What are those airline, what's that airline called? People pay like nothing for a ticket. Spirit? Spirit. Have you seen some of the videos? Oh my God. A spirit airline, like Fred. I have my friend took a spirit airline. Oh my God, bro. Some of the shit out there. I feel like it's totally different. Airport? Like the wrong place. Yeah. They had to just, I don't know why. Pilots like the GPS broke on the way. See, I'm in Vegas. I'm like, what are you, you're supposed to be in Reno. Like what happened? Bro, I saw a video with this guy's, this guy's sitting there. This woman's just clipping her toenails. Oh my gosh. Are they airing on there or what? Right next to him. Oh my God. And the video says like only on Spirit Airlines. And I guess they just accept it because they paid 20 bucks for their ticket. So like, well, you know, I'm going to be on this. Yeah, I do. I think that that's what we're going to see though, right? You agree? Like they're going to see this kind of like extreme, these two extremes. It's going to be the super cheap. It's don't give a fuck. I want the cheapest thing possible. And we have such a competitive market now I can get it. Or the people are like, I don't care what the price is. I want that kind of service and I'm willing to pay way more than what's reasonable. There's some things that I don't care about enough to care about paying for good service. Can't think of anything off the top of my head. But I know that I know this about myself. But some things I'll pay a lot for service like that. You're like that with watches, with shoes, with clothes, with cars. You're that way. Yeah, I guess you're right. Well, there's a lot of things you don't really care that much about when it comes to that. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it would serve. Well, you're right with service. But one thing that I'll pay a lot for or the things that I will pay a lot for are things that I don't like anyway. So you add bad shit on top of it. Like, like I hate flying anyway. You let Cabanas. Yeah, I don't like flying. And I don't like when I go to a pool or whatever and I got to go hunt for a freaking chair and get four chairs together. Because I got my kids with me or whatever. Like I hate that and I hate. It's convenient. I hate traveling. I hate flying so much because I just don't like being in plane. I like the whole deal. So I'm willing to pay for the extra on the plane because you add the fact that I hate flying. Then on top of it, I have to sit on this tiny chair. Then on top of it, I have to line up, make sure I fight for the right thing like they do with Southwad or whatever. It's like, that for me, I'll pay for it. I think it's so funny when people judge other people with like how they spend money. I know. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? It's like, who cares? You've obviously made that judgment yourself and you're comfortable. You know what you've got. Yeah, yeah. I mean, to me, so that's the thing I try and check myself with always because the only thing that I think people can get caught up in is paying for things for other people, not even themselves, right? Like buying the name brand car, not because they really value or love the car, but more so, so it's a signal to the rest of the world. That's just a bad relationship with money. Well, yeah. And I've talked about having that. I know I had that. Like I absolutely had that in my 20s, right? So, and that's my filter now, right? Like anytime I make a purchase. You ask yourself that. I ask myself that. Is this for me or do I feel the need to go show it off or show people? And if I don't care about showing it off or showing people and it's just for me, then it truly is for me. That's a good, that's a very good limit. And that's how I care if nobody knew that I had it. That's right. And do I feel really good and enjoy it? And it's like, and I know that when I don't have this like, oh, I need to show it or I need to like tell somebody it's like, okay, this is for me, right? And so, and to me it's a really easy way to measure that. And then at that case, then who gives a fuck? If it's only for me and I don't have the need to go show, then who cares? Oh, that's a great one, Adam. So, well, it's coming from a person who I think struggled with that. I had an insecurity around money. I had that desire to send that signal that I've made it and it's like, look at me type of deal. And then there's things that's like, no, this is for me. Like I don't need that. Speaking of things like that, you know, I'm glad we recorded the, I wish we could show the clip because remember when I first brought up the Cybertruck? Listen now. Man, how much shit you guys talked about? Listen, it doesn't, I want you to know as cool as I think about the design. The add it, yeah, it doesn't change. You guys said it was in stock, it was in a tank. I stand by that. You couldn't give it to me. You couldn't give it to me. It's crushing. If you gave it to me, I'd give it to a family member. No, you wouldn't. Yes, I would. That's how much I feel about it. If you gave me a Cybertruck. If someone gave you a Cybertruck. I would definitely give it to my mom or somebody who needs that. Bro, yeah. You wouldn't keep it. I would keep it. I already got a cool truck. Yeah, our bullet. And I already got some hella fast. So I got like, the things that you think are cool about it, I have, in my opinion, a better version. Yeah, I've got a better four-wheel drive vehicle. I got a better speed vehicle all day. So the things that you find cool about it, I don't need. And so if someone gave that to me, I don't have a bulletproof car. And maybe I would consider you have a car just for that looks like it's a 1990 video game. All right, then. No, I love it, dude. I'm not a car person. You guys know this, but I'm little by little falling in love with that, which is that it looks so different and weird. Have you seen one in person yet? No. Yeah, so let's... You know what I've heard about it in person when I, this is the room right here about it. No, I hear it looks like a fucking smudged refrigerator all the time. Oh, because of the stainless steel? Yeah, stainless steel. Yeah, so it looks smudgy. They make them in matte black. Yeah, I saw it. I'm curious to see that. Somebody do a matte black. Yeah, I'm curious of like the parking those things. Like, because it seems like they're wide. Doesn't it have like a crazy turning radius on it? They're big. It's the only car, it's the only production car that is not, that's a steer by wire. So the steering wheel is not, it's steer by wire means that it's not directly connected. It's like computers analyzing how much you need to turn or whatever. So apparently it's got, first off, the turning radius on it's ridiculous. I thought it was bigger than like a conventional truck. Like it was a little bit bigger. Oh, is it? Yeah. It's pretty big. I just watched the video. So we saw the famous one, right? Race the 911 turbo while pulling a 911 turbo and it beat it. Such a great ad. I just saw it race Lamborghini Urus which is a 650 or something horsepower. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, whatever. Your car will smoke that by the way. Listen, it fucking, the Cybertruck smoked it like it was, like bad. It wasn't like it beat it. It was the kind of like where you smoke it so much that the guy driving the other cars. In a drag race. Yeah. Toasted it. How does it do on corners and everything? I don't know. It's your question. I'm not going to show it because it's a truck. I'll never show it past a quarter mile because give it a mile and there'll be a different story. It's like, it's obvious to me because it's like. Yeah, it's electronic. Listen, it's cool. Ignition. It's, I mean, it's a cool new truck. It's the same thing at Tesla's. And then there's an obvious, there's going to be a bunch of people that like are going to jump down just nice throws. I don't care. It's like. I think it looks, it still looks like a Dorito truck to me. A what? A bunch of Doritos like glued together. You could build it with a Dorito. Yeah, bro. That's a good point. I will seriously make like a little chip dip with one of those things and just put a bunch of. So do you guys foresee, do you think it's going to be? Because obviously there's a lot of hype around it, right? But do you think it's going to have staying power? It's going to be like a crush. It's going to crush. Yeah, it'll crush. Yeah, it'll do. I'll just say, there's a bunch of people that aren't these cars, you know, who won't buy it. Not car enthusiasts, real car people. Wait, hold on. Stop it. Stop it. Real people that have appreciation for the artistry of a car. And like real. Yeah, all the people that will like that are people that don't care, just like you. Well, you're a perfect example of their buyer. There's a lot of you out there. What? Yes. There's a lot of people that are. When would you ever get a four wheel drive pickup truck? No. Listen, pause. Let's rewind for a second. It's all calm down. Hold on a second. You already admitted you're not a car person. No, no, no, stop. Stop it here. Did you not? First off, it's going to be, it's highly likely that over the next 20 years, you're not going to be able to get a car that operates on gas. True or not? Well, you'll be at the aftermarket, you mean. Yeah, you can't beat them, join them. No, that's not what I'm saying. What are we talking about? Everybody calm down. You're not going to. One sentence, he's a rebellious guy and like, fuck them in. We're going to, oh, brother, brother, this was like, oh, better go right with the crowd. No, shut up. Right where everybody else is going. When the, hey, you fuckers, when the zombie apocalypse happens. Hey, come out. You guys are going to jump on my Cybertruck to be safe. No, listen, this is what I'm trying to say. I'm going to get out of here. What I'm trying to say is, when you say real car enthusiasts, whatever, people are always going to love old cars. There's always going to be that nostalgia. I totally get that, but it's a car. It is a car and that is going to be the real cars. The futures are all, they're all going to be electric. And trust me, I love the sound of an engine. That's the one drawback. Is it, I don't know how I'm going to feel about driving a car that makes no sound like, you know what I mean? Like I want to hear the red. Yeah, there's a visceral, you know, half of the, the awesomeness of these cars that we would compare like the old cloud is the sound is not my, my 68 Camaro would not beat some of these minivans today. You know what I'm saying? With the badass horsepower it's gotten, but it's the sound of the thing is how it makes you feel. Yeah. How it feels driving it. Like, do you think people who rode horses were saying this, the car owners, you know what I mean? Like what kind of noise is your car makes? Cause it's a horse. I don't hear it. It doesn't sound like a horse. You know what I mean? Do you think that that they had the same conversations? Yeah, I think the jump from a horse to a car is radically different than the, that's like, we'd be comparing if all of a sudden we went from cars to like space ships flying. Yeah. To fly. Yeah. It's like a whole nother class. Do you know what sold me by the way? Can I tell you this? How big of a nerd I am. So this whole time I'm kind of like, oh, this looks kind of cool. By the way, I don't know if I'm getting one. So everybody thinks I'm, I'm just saying I like it. They have this like camper. How much does it cost? By the way, sorry. I think you get the best, the top top ones like a hundred grand. So like the cyber beef. They're 60,000, 80,000 and a hundred grand. The one he's talking about is a hundred grand. Yeah, the cyber beef. Because the little baby one isn't going to be smoking no 9-11. You got to have it. If I get a car, if I get that, then Mike, I'm going to, I want to dust Justin and Adam all day long. Fast to be the fastest. Quarter mile, quarter miles at a time. And then he's going to charge three hours for a full drive though, for 10 miles, just for a quarter mile. For a full drive. You find me a 10 mile just for a quarter mile. We'll get us a high five and he's fucked. Get us a high five and you'll be up there for about 30 seconds. And then we bump into each other, see whose car gets fucked up. We'll see what happens. We had some amnias in Arizona for a gymnastic event and they drove their Tesla and they literally had to charge it like six times on the way to get there. And it took them hours to charge. Yeah, I'm not trying to drive far. I was like, that's a pain in the ass. Nobody talks about that. Yeah, no, no. No one has to say is what sold me hard. This is such a nerdy thing. But there's this like camper attachment. Have you seen this where you attach to the back and it turns into like a little, like you could go camping and shit in that. I mean, he thinks he can pick up trucks for a long time though. I'm not knocking you out. He definitely has like cool ideas and he's always trying to like upgrade. You better get one with all this fucking hype till you talk about it. I mean, you've been selling this thing forever. Either one, we were to get some affiliate kickback right now or you better own one. Bring Elon to sell us. Hey, talk about all this. You know how you know we don't have an affiliate thing? Cause you just said, real car owners, whatever. If there was an affiliate deal, you'd know your assets. Whatever, you know, I still keep it real. I'd be like, oh, you know, it's cool truck, but it's just pretty shitty. I wouldn't want it. We still sell it, bro. Come on. You can't make you bullshit. It's 100%. Hey, speaking of sponsors, I gotta tell you something. I ran into a fan the other day. This is rare now. Not the running into a fan part, but just right here. Usually if I run into a listener, they'll say, oh, you know, I love the show and get like this positive feedback. It's really nice to hear. But this is what this person said to me. They stopped me and they said, oh, Sal, love the podcast. Listen, Eight Sleep is the best product I've ever used in my entire, I'm so glad you guys talked and all he did was I wanted to talk about the sponsor. He didn't talk about the podcast or anything. He said, I said, how long have you been listening? He says like six months. So he's a new listener. He goes, but I heard you guys talk about Eight Sleep. I got bad sleep, this and that. I bought it. And he goes, total and complete game changer. He goes, after, I forgot what he said. I think it was like a couple of weeks. It learned his body. Yeah, I learned his body. And he goes, it's the weirdest thing. Never had to touch it again. Bro, he's like, he goes, I've been dealing with this for over 10 years. He would not shut up a body sleep. Well, what a great commercial to have while also having this talk about brands that are like luxury. That's an example of that. They, when I gave the, when people asked me because they, we used to talk all about Chile and Uler and stuff, their products and stuff with that. I said, listen, I got nothing bad to say about them, but it's literally to me, it's like comparing a Lexus to like a Bentley or Rolls-Royce. They are literally the Bentley or Rolls-Royce of all. There's a ton of those products on the market and they're, and so far, the ones that I've experienced are pretty good. Like there's nothing bad to say about them, but the quality and what that eight sleep does is insane compared to the rest of them. And so, yeah, it is a little bit more expensive. He literally was raving about it, like raving. He's like, you got to tell more people. I'm like, we're worried. I haven't had, by the way, since we've started with them, which I don't know how long ago this has been, I haven't had to refill it up with water, which blows my mind because I used to have to do that all the time with my Uler. Once I got it set on my attempts, I've never adjusted or touched it again. It's just itself. It watches all your parameters. Yes. And it literally figures out, this is the crazy part. It figures out how to make you sleep better. You don't have to figure it out. It's like you have to fool around with it to figure out what works best. It learns because it monitors your sleep. It then tweaks itself and changes, and then here's what the crazy part. If your body changes, because he was telling me about his wife, and he goes, my wife loves it too, this and that. So then we're talking and saying nothing else, and I laughed, and I was thinking about this. Men don't necessarily go through this, but women do. Women, if you're listening, you know what I'm talking about. There's gonna be times of the month during your cycle when you feel hot. There's times when you feel cold. There's times when sleep is, you're really tired and groggy. There's times when you seem to have more energy, and this is because of the hormonal cycle. The eight sleep will pick up on your body's rhythms and will adjust itself so that it's always gonna be perfect, essentially. Brings you back to homeostasis. How wild is that? I mean, they've really done it. It's such a dope product too that I don't even think about it anymore. Like one, it's set it and let it go. Like I haven't had to refill the water, how long's that been? It's been so long. And it's only one, right? So, and dead silent. So the other one, which it didn't bother me because it's white noise and I like white noise anyways. I love when we say white noise, it's so funny. White noise, mayonnaise, crackers, mayonnaise. But this is smaller, leave it to Beaver. Smaller, less, no noise practically. And more horsepower as far as how fast it cools. It's like all the above. That's awesome. Oh, so we were talking about earlier, the Cybertruck, Tesla, Elon Musk, whatever. Did you see who he just, so, okay, Elon has to have, I don't know the man, okay? I've gotten messages from people, stop dick writing, whatever. Listen, I don't know the man. I don't know if he's a good dad, I don't know if he's a good human. I got two of them right here. I just don't know, okay, but all I know is the stuff that he does, okay? Just love his truck. No, this guy gets us, I also like his truck. This guy has a ton of advertisers pull because of some literal political BS. And we know this by the way because Instagram and Facebook just got, they're getting sued for allowing inappropriate material to get advertised and pushed towards children, but they of course pull from X and they're still on Instagram and Facebook or whatever. They pull from X, he gets on that interview and says, go fuck yourself twice really clearly. So he's got massive Cajones, massive Cajones, but then he does this. He puts a pull out, should we let Alex Jones back on X? And the fan said yes and guess who's back on X. Alex Jones has re-emerged. Do you guys know the, like bro, like he's kryptonite. Alex Jones is kryptonite, he's the first person to get canceled off everything. The whole world agreed to snuff him out too, it was like. Yes, and he put him back on X. What was the number? Oh, it was like 80%, yes. Oh, wow, was that hot? Yeah, like a majority of people said put him back on X. Now this was after the Tucker Carlson interview or before, okay. No, right around that same time. Which, by the way, did you guys listen to that? Yeah. So I didn't know this, I didn't know this about Alex Jones. Do you know how accurately he predicted September 11th? This is the hot thing part, yeah. This is the one where I'm like, what? Do you know? Okay. Oh, I don't. Okay. He literally said there's gonna be another plan, there's gonna be a terrorist attack plan, probably attacking the World Trade Center, flying planes in there and they're gonna blame it on Osama Bin Laden and then I'm trying to make his voice and they're gonna use this to go to the Middle East and that's what he said. Is there like years before? Documentation or video of him saying that, like way before. Yeah, way before. Way before. And then, now, and then. Do you see that before, Doug? Yeah, I saw that. I think it was actually July of 2001 when he said that. We know the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted to blow up airliners, Baltimore Sun, or if you let some terrorist group drew it, like the World Trade Center, we know who to blame. And if there was an outside threat like a Bin Laden who was a known CIA asset in the 80s, he's the boogeyman they need. So that was like two or three months before it actually happened. Now Tucker Carlson says, he's like, you know, if I was the CIA or whatever, he goes, I would be investigating you right away because of how the hell could you have known that? Unless. Yeah, well, no, Alex Jones says, he goes, I'm just reading what the reports that they put out. They've already tried to attack the World Trade Center. They're already hyping up how we need to go to war in the Middle East. They're already hyping up about Osama Bin Laden. How many people know about these reports? That's true. I mean, in terms of the Pentagon and a lot of these like FBI reports like these, they put them out for public to go through and read. And he's like, I feel like he's like the only one that actually reads them. Yep. Like they say, like he's saying that by 2030, they're gonna try and ban beef worldwide. They're gonna try and ban meat. And you can, I mean, it makes sense if you actually see the propaganda that's going on around, you know, right around. Yeah. And I mean, he's definitely an alarmist. It's hard to watch a lot of it without being like, okay, okay, I don't wanna take all this in, you know, kind of a thing. Yeah. When he talks about interdimensional. Like, what the heck? Well, okay. So what was the guy's name? I just listened to that was on Joe Rogan, but he was another like high up guy in the Air Force that actually, actually, you know his name, right? Andrew Gresh, David Gresh. But he actually has been investigating a lot of the UFO information and stuff that they've done past with like ATEP and all that. Just not gonna go into the whole thing, you gotta go listen to it. But like there was one, I didn't had no idea that they had actually like recovered, allegedly recovered some craft in Italy right before World War II. And so, yeah, and like the, I guess the Pope and what he said back in the day, like the... The Vatican. The Vatican and then also like... You told me this. Yeah, I was telling you this this morning and the mafia had a lot of the information. So they gathered a lot of intel and then they would actually supply that over to, you know, the U.S. This is all before CIA and all that was formed. So there, anyways, there's lots of interesting stuff. And again, it's all kind of coming out now. Why, you know, like there's... Doesn't it feel like they're projecting like all the UFO stuff? Doesn't it kind of feel like they're getting us ready for some big... Well, I told you. When we first started getting all cyber, you know, I'm like, I'm more curious about what they're not telling us. Like I feel like this is all a distraction for something else that they don't want you to be paying attention to. You know what sucks is how anti-climatic it is, you know? I know. It's like, we've been wanting, like imagine like 10 years ago, like I was like, dude, big foot. And you know, I got, it'd be so awesome. And now it's just like, they're, oh yeah, like UFOs are real. Like there are, you know, extraterrestrials and but I'm like, no. Yeah. You can say no forever. Yeah. I don't believe you anymore. I don't believe you. You know, crazy like corruption, conspiracy, whatever you want to call this conversation right now. Did you guys watch the story, the full story? Cause I didn't know the full story of GameStop. Have you guys watched that yet? No. You have to go. You all have to watch that so we can discuss it because I find it. And I don't... So the story that I'm familiar with is you had a bunch of people on Reddit organized to drive the price of the stock up and use their collective efforts to basically hurt all the hedge fund people who are shorting the stock. Yeah. That's what I know. Yeah. But there's more obviously. Yeah, do you know how it all came to an end and everything too? No. Oh, that's why you guys got to watch it because it's some crazy corruption with Robin Hood and the government and like allowing that to what happened basically to save the banks. Right. How they intervened and regulated, right? Yeah. So that's the part that's really just really fucked up and twisted about how it all went down. Super, super interesting though, because I knew kind of to the level that you did. Like that's as much as I... And I didn't even know... Well, of course, you're messing with, you got a bunch of people who really caused big players, billionaires, to lose a lot of money. And that's, you're playing with fire. Yeah. But you're also messing with like 8 million people that decided to do that. This wasn't like a handful of people that were making a run on it. It took 8 million people to move the needle. To collectively do this. Yeah. And they've messed with all of them? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, so you have to watch the documentary on it and how it all unfolds. And I guess I just wasn't really paying attention that closely to it. The irony of this actually is that I had a nephew who like middle of all of it going on was like, he's starting to save a little bit of money and he's always reaching out to me and like, hey, what do you think I should do with this? Or should I save this? Should I invest this? I'm thinking about this stock. And he was like, I think I should buy a game stock. I think I'd buy a game stock. And I'm like, no, I'll stay away from all the hype on that right now. I was like, you could easily lose your money. And so I really pushed him not to, which I think was still the right decision based off of however it eventually happened, although there were some people that could have made a ton of money off of that. Well, they sold it the right time. Yeah, but I didn't realize why they all didn't. And now I get it because I watched the whole story. Like that, the reason why it worked was because literally like 8 million people banded together and held. That's the only reason why it worked. Until everybody's calls came and went and just get them to lose money. That's kind of a cool story. It's a very cool, it's actually, and so that's why you guys will enjoy it because, and this was all started by one dude, one dude on YouTube. And he was making videos from the very beginning and he rallied all these people. And it was kind of like the us versus them. And he wrote like, Lawgolf, like it was a big, like the way, think about that. One nerdy cat guy rallied 8 million people to go after the fucking banks and he got them to stick together. Now what's up with him? Did he go to jail? No, but he had a big congressional hearing and they talked like, yeah, he ended up being, everything he did was legal. So he was okay. Yeah. Although they tried to, again. Can he countersue? Is he going through that process? That's a good question. I don't know. How old was the guy? Is he kid? He's younger than us. Like 30s? Yeah, I think he's 30. You imagine doing some shit like that and they're like, you gotta come before Congress. Oh my God. Oh, dude. The sweat that immediately would just go down. The anxiety? Oh man. What? Remember that video of a, that's why I don't feel bad for, what's his name? Zuckerberg when he was, when he was in front of Congress. He's trying to drink water. Everybody made fun of him, you know? And I'm like, bro, he's a kid and he's talking to Congress, dude. Like who would it, could point to the end of my nation. And he's not a normal kid either. He's a nerdy, quiet, introverted kid. You know what I'm saying? Like throw him on that stage. He's like, you know, he's like, I'm like, he did better than I would have done in front of Congress. I want to maybe, I want to see. Oh, there's the kid, right? There's the guy right there. Oh wow. A couple of things on him. So he's 37 and at the peak, he made over $48 million on it. Wow. Now at the peak, he was worth $48 million. But he never sold. He never sold. Yeah, and he basically extracts himself from all the internet and isn't, I don't know if he, from what I can read, he's not to be found or people. So yeah, so what? Did he keep it? So after all this got settled and he did nothing that happened, he completely disappeared from social media. Wow. He removed himself from being on it all the time. That's great. But the story is great. I mean, it's such an incredible story on how it all started and then what happened and then the shadiness of Robin Hood and like the billionaires that got involved in it. Like it was super corrupt. At that level, man, it's crazy. I was going to ask you, Adam, you've been talking to Drew Canole a little bit lately. I want to, he's the founder of OrganiFi for people who don't know. Great guy, great guy, we love him. What's he saying about, I predicted that their Shilajit gubbies were just going to crush. Exploding. Is that what he said? It's exploding. In fact, I'll ask you. I knew it because once they came out with it, I said, oh my God, this was all fair. I said, they taste good and it's Shilajit. It's got tons of studies behind it. Yeah. And it's going to blow up. First of all, Shilajit, you're going to start seeing everywhere. I remember wellness people talking about that like years and years. I have already seen another competitor already jump on the bandwagon already. So like they led the way, I feel like, of getting it popular. And now you'll see. It's one of the most studied, it's like Ashwa Gandhi has so many studies behind it backing it. That's so interesting that you compare it to something like Ashwa Gandhi, which is so popular. Yeah. That it hasn't, it didn't get that popular. People just aren't aware. And nobody, it's marketing, right? You got to market it. And then when people look at the data, and then you have enough people talking about it. And you just need one leader, right? One leader to come out. So he says it's crushing. Yeah, yeah. That they're just blowing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. It's one of my favorite products. I can't remember the last time we went through two bags of something. They don't last in here. Yeah, yeah, they go. Well, we all, you don't mind. Everybody, the editors, everybody. I mean, there's, I actually love, I'm like in such a 12 year old, right? So I still take a lot of gummy stuff. Like, you know, like I have some vitamin C gummies. I have some like my anoxys to gummies. I have a bunch of gummies. Hey, when you get sick, do they give you the antibiotics and the pink bottle? Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like it's too good to be true. Like how could this gummy be giving me the same as this pill because the pill is awful that I got to take versus the gummy and stuff. So, but I actually think that's like a clever way to do stuff. I saw that our, I know we can't talk about it yet. It's not, it's the product's not done, but I know you're working with Ned and they're looking at doing like a gummy type of product. And people like gummies, dude. I do. Yeah. I mean, and you're more likely to get it to finish it. Speaking of gummies when we were at the airport in Mexico on the way back, this is just something I do. It's not healthy, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But I just, for whatever reason, when I'm in the airport and I'm coming home, I buy gummy candy. Okay. That's what I do. Okay. So if you ever see me in the airport, oh, look at Sal, why are you eating gummy bears? I just like the gummy candies and it's just, it's bad for my gut. Not good for me, but whatever, but I do it anyway. I could not find in the airport in Mexico, I could not find gummy bears, gummy worm, nothing. Couldn't find any, but you know what they had? The weirdest gummy candy ever seen in my life. They were gummy like burgers. So they, I swear to ask Doug, I let Doug try one. It looks like- Gummy burgers. Listen, it has a bun. It has a green gummy thing, apparently the lettuce. It's got a red gummy thing, which is apparently the tomato. A brown gummy thing, which is to me. And then a bun. And they all came individually wrapped in a bag. And because I had lack of gummy options, I bought them. And I like, I feel like I was a child. Like if somebody recognized me, I'm so embarrassed. You look like a burger. So weird. But there were gummy candies there. It can't be so weird. I know, I know. Do you know what I've noticed with all the traveling we've been doing lately is there is a massive opportunity to make energy drinks and get them into some other places in the world. Like, I guess- Can we just call Rockstar or somebody else? I guess just because we've been conditioned for the Bay Area. You guys do realize that America's productivity is connected directly to our energy. This is why we're crushing. We have the energy drinks. They don't have them. No, like, okay. I know you're right. You go with that. You get Red Bull and that's it. You walk out out of our door. Red Bull's made it a lot of places. And within a two-mile radius have access to 30 different energy drinks that exist. Easy. Easily, right? Within a two-mile radius and multiple locations, by the way. And you can get high doses of caffeine. Yeah, okay. When we were in London, when we were in Mexico, I don't remember if it happened in Florida too or not, but there is literally- No, I'm not saying out of the country. I'm saying anywhere outside of California. Yeah, yeah, the Bay Area is what I'm saying. Everywhere we've traveled lately, there is only Monster and Red Bull. They're your only two options everywhere else you go. So weird. Did anyone ever look up to see if there's any sort of regulations that are restrictions that they put on it? Like why would it be so difficult and why is it so competitive here, but not anywhere else? Probably because the market's exploding. That kind of market's exploding. It just takes longer in other places because the market started here. That energy drink kind of thing, you know, that I think- You know what, you know what? The other one, the third one that we did see that I actually didn't even give them credit is Prime. So how smart do they look right now? Like partnering with a London-based kid. Yeah, they're more international than those other brands. Interesting. So, I mean, they're gonna gobble up that huge gap. So, since you won't let me start a supplement company, can I make an energy drink or something, Adam? I would be open to that. What? Yeah. Only because I think I would consume enough ourselves to carry the products. To cover the margins? Yeah. Hey, we're not losing. We'll get rid of the inventory. Let me ask you guys a question. If you let me do it with energy drink, what are my parameters? Can I make it dangerous or do I have to keep it safe? I mean, you want to get them out of caffeine, that's for sure. Yeah, but can I have fun with that and make it like, hey, this is gonna- Yeah, we want that to last. It needs to taste good. You don't want to be too sweet. 200 or more milligrams of caffeine. Those are my only two requirements. It tastes good. Can I get crazy, though, with it? Do whatever you want, then. Really? Yeah, I don't care. Really? Yeah, I'm not really worried about all other stuff. All right. Yeah, there's other things in my life I need to fix before my energy drink. Okay, all right, all right. We got it. Who's got the shout out? Didn't she say there was so much? Yeah, yeah, oh, I want it. Okay, so scroll down, Dex. I remember the name of what it was. SB Moe. SB Moe. Okay, if you guys remember, this was like at least a couple of years ago, I brought up a kid one time who, do you guys remember this? He was a barber and then he had gone viral. He got millions of people and like what he would do is like grab random people on the street and like give him my haircut. He'd find somebody with like the show. Yeah, he got super famous from that. Oh, wow. And obviously he was talented, really good at what he did. So there's this guy online. He just came in my thread, SB Moe. He's got like 2 million or 3 million followers and he does the same thing for people's lawns. So he walks down in these kind of ghetto neighborhoods and random places and looks for people that have just a yard. Just a messed up yard. The yard just consumed everything. Yes, knocks on the door and offers his services for free. Wow. And then like Mark. He uses this for social media. Yes. Brilliant. So brilliant. He does a great job, obviously, but like what a smart way to market yourself and he's exploded. Young kid? Younger, younger than us. Oh, good. You know, everybody seems to be younger than us. I mean, I don't know what it is about maybe when you get to our age, like it's hard for me to tell the difference between 25 and 45. You can be anywhere in that range. You know what I'm saying? So when people in their mid 30s say sir to me now, I'm like, God, damn it. What are you going to do? Probiotics can do a lot for you. They can help with your gut health, reduce inflammation, help with your skin and energy levels. But they're not all the same. Look, there's a company called Seed that makes the best probiotic in the world. They have the world's leading scientists. They have a capsule that delivers the right strains to the right parts of your body. If you used probiotics in the past, nothing will compare to Seed. It's literally the best one you'll find anywhere. Go check them out and get yourself a discount. Go to seed.com forward slash mind pump, use the code mind pump and get that discount. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Mike from Massachusetts. Mike, what's up, man? How can we help you? What's happening, Mike? Thank you. Thank you guys so much for helping me out here and taking time to answer my question. I appreciate you all and all the expertise that you do in the podcast. So thank you. You got it. What you got for us? For at all. So a little bit of background going to my question. My question overall deals with significant left-right differences in my hamstring. But a little bit of background before I get into that. Back in 2009, I'd suffered a left ACL tear. And when I got surgery, they used a hamstring graft to make the new ACL. So they took a piece of my hamstring tendon and they made it into the ACL. And at the time, I was 19. I was a knucklehead and I wasn't quite as diligent with my PT as I should have been, right? So fast forward to today, I have a significant difference in my left-right hamstring strength. I've been strength training for the better part of five or six years on or off. And on the day-to-day, normal day activities, I don't notice the difference much. In my bilateral lifts, such as spots and deadlifts, I don't really notice it, but I'm sure it's manifesting in some way. But in isolation work, that's when it really starts to come to head. And my biggest fear is that if I don't resolve this, eventually, it's going to lead to some significant left-right differences, compensations, chronic pain, all that. So I've tried, predominantly, a lot of isolation work, concentric, eccentric, high reps, low reps. I guess my question is, is this something that you guys have seen in the past? For me, is it a manner of just trusting the process, making sure I'm getting my protein intake, training hard, resting well, and eventually it will recover? It's just going to take a little bit longer? Or are there other things that I can be doing to help this process along? I'm curious about your expertise. Great question, Mike. So I've actually got a lot of experience with this. I actually trained a vascular surgeon who had this procedure. I trained an ex-basketball player, collegiate, who had this procedure. So this is where they take either the semitendinosis or the gracilis and essentially use that as an ACL. So this is one of those cases, unlike when we talk to other people with imbalances, okay? Where you actually have a structural difference. You're missing parts. Between one side to the other, okay? So that means that it'll never be identical. So that's the bad news. The good news is there's a lot you could do with your training to offset some of that. So for my example, to use myself as an example, I have AC joint resection on my left side. My left shoulder will never be as stable as my right shoulder, but I got it like 95% of the way there through exercise, which is not bad at all. In fact, most people have more of a discrepancy and they don't have that type of a, they don't have an ACL resection like, excuse me, a AC joint resection like I do. So a lot of your training should be unilateral when it comes to hip hinging and when it comes to direct hamstring work, that's it. That's the bottom line. So when you're gonna do a deadlift workout, I would always start with a single leg version of a deadlift and then you can do your traditional bilateral. But you should do unilateral work, should make up half or a majority of the hamstring work because there's always gonna be a difference. There's an actual literal structural difference and that's how we train. Now, all the other rules will still apply. Diets still applies, training, recovery, sleep, like all the other rules and stuff that you hear us talk about on the show are going to apply, but you can't expect both of them to be identical because they're just not, structurally they're just not. I would almost stay unilateral. I mean, unless you have to go bilateral for... The only reason why I would do some bilateral stuff is this. Well, I mean, you could squat bilateral, but I mean, deadlift. Even deadlift. And look, what Adam's saying is not wrong. You could totally do that. The only reason why I still did some bilateral work is because in the real world, you're gonna have to do things bilaterally and that's still a skill that you don't necessarily, you still wanna be able to have both sides communicate effectively bilateral, but it wouldn't be the majority of my workouts is all I'm saying. Does that make sense? Totally. And it's like the unilateral before bilateral is just kind of prime that leg, get it ready. And then you can utilize that in your bilateral lift. No, no. See, that's why he's just... It's not to prime it. It's because your, it's literally, that should be the foundation of strengthening. The foundation of strengthening should be unilateral. Bilateral is gonna be more of a practice type of thing. But the majority of your workouts or half, when you get to hit the gym or... Bilateral is supplemental at this point. That's right. That's how you gotta look at that. I mean, symmetry is written very well like this. Oh yeah. That's a great problem. Map symmetry, you basically are running three of the phases unilateral work and then the very last phase you go bilateral and then go, and so I would do exactly that. I would live most of the time in unilateral, almost always training that way. And then occasionally, you know, run a small phase for three to four weeks where you're going bilateral so you don't lose that skill because yes, that applies to real world movements, but there's nothing wrong with, I mean, you can get really strong. You can really develop the legs by always training. I think people like, yeah, definitely undervalue the fact that you can load substantially unilateral type work and a lot of world-renowned, world-class coaches have taught this in fact and they don't even do bilateral squats or bilateral deadlifts. Yeah, you'd be fine. So, you know, it's just a matter of like kind of gearing your mind into that direction and just trying to see what you can do to just progress in that direction. Mike, do you have map symmetry? I don't know. I've been kind of just figuring it out on my own and kind of making my own stuff. Oh yeah, let us send that over to you. Are you an athlete? Do you compete or you just stay fit for yourself? He's got to be a coach. You put in a position. Not competitively. I'm looking to just be more mobile. I play adult league hockey and soccer but nothing competitive by any means. You're fine. Yeah, yeah. Was there a reason why you chose the graft versus what they typically will do with an ACL? Sorry, the bell just rang. That was just the guidance under my surgeon and at the time I was 19 going into college I didn't have any D1 or professional aspirations by any means. So that's just what he recommended. Yeah, yeah. You know, lateral stability is gonna be important for you as well. Hip thrust thing is gonna be a good exercise for you as well. There's a little bit of a loss in some of the stability in the agonist stabilizers with this type, so like PCL, stuff like that. So I would still do lateral work. You know what would be really good for you is sled work. I've been wanting to, I primarily train out of the home. So I've got my squat rack, barbells and stuff. My basement doesn't quite allow for a sled, but I mean, I'm sure I can find a football field somewhere and pull something. Yeah, dude, once a week or even twice a month, sled work is gonna be really good for you. But yeah, that's pretty much it. You're not gonna get like, you'll still build muscle. You're still gonna look good. No one's gonna notice. You probably won't even notice unless you like really push it or do some like really hard flexion exercise like a heavy hamstring curl. That's what you probably noticed the most. So, you know, this is, I mean, like I said, it's not gonna be identical no matter what you do. I think if you do the unilateral stuff primarily, you'll be better off for sure. Okay, perfect. Yeah, great. All right. Thanks for calling in, man. We'll send you my symmetry. Oh, amazing. Thank you so much. That's huge. Thank you so much. You got it, man. All right. Take it easy, Mike. I think, what is the rate? I wonder what the, I forgot what my client told me why they chose to do that over, you know, typically what they'll do with an ACL is like, why that's, I think, is it because it's most likely? Faster recovery for athletes or, there's gotta be a reason because people still do it. It's not like they don't, they don't do it anymore. You know, it does provide a lot of stability. It's specifically for the ACL area. But then what happens is you lose, you lose some flexion strength because of the angle that you've changed the, with those hamstring muscles. I would guess it's because it is most like it. Like if all the muscles, like it would probably looks the most like it. What are they, don't they use it like cadaver ACLs now or something like that? Yeah, but I don't know. That's a, I mean, that's a good question. Yeah. Did you tell your ACL or was it, was it your lab level? I had a partial tear in my ACL. So they left my ACL alone. It was my MCL that I blew out. So it was MCL and ACL, but the ACL was still in town. Yeah, now I'm all intrigued. I'm gonna look it up and find out. Yeah, yeah. I thought he was like a coach or a trainer based off the question. Like, I get why I never see anybody say inhibition. Like really ever do you hear that from somebody who's a normal person who asks like that? Our next caller is Sean from Missouri. Sean, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Good. What's happening? Hey, thanks a lot for, for taking my question Brad and me on one of those guys that's been listening to you guys since 2016. So it's safe to say I value quite a bit what you guys do for everybody. So thank you for that. Thank you, man. Gee. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll just, I'll read right from the email. That's all the same to you guys. I'm 28, I'm five foot nine, about 165 on a good day and have been lifting consistently for half my life. Have a pretty decent grasp on my programming after making a ton of progress. So for the recent few years, thanks to you guys. But one burgeoning issue that has come into focus since I've been growing has been asymmetry in the chest. As a hard gainer, the chest was one of the hardest parts to grow anyway but now that I'm making progress and noticing that my left, my non-dominant side is much, much fuller than my right. I've seen the trend for a while and have been trying to focus on form for the most part. And while strength training, it's been form. And then as the size has been put on I've noticed that it's not really getting much better. So I started to integrate lateral lifts like flies and clients using dumbbells for stuff like that to make sure everything's even. And it hasn't gotten worse but I don't see it getting any better either. I kind of looked up the plan for the research. I've read a lot about how the dominant arm may be stronger which forces the non-dominant chest to help out more or like the dominant side arm might kind of take a lot more of the work than the chest which forces the non-dominant side chest to kind of work more. And that might be why there's a little bit of asymmetry there, I'm not really sure. So I guess my question is, is there truth to that? And if so, is switching to unilateral for all chest exercises the solution or do I need to find another way to engage my dominant side back? Do you know, there's a more common thing that I've seen in this situation and that's like your more dominant side. So in your case, your right side, people, they played sports, they have this, they're dominant and they're stronger but they don't have better technique and form. And when it comes to like bench pressing, okay, it's not just like lifting a weight up off your chest, like you're trying to activate the chest most. And so what ends up happening is the less dominant side, people are stricter and better on their form and they don't even think about their dominant side because the weight's easy to move on that side. And so they default to a lesser favorable recruitment pattern. So because they're right side, they're so dominant because they were an athlete or whatever in that side, they press the weight up, no problem there. And they're so focused on the weaker side, making sure the chest is up, the shoulders are retracted and having perfect form. They actually get better chest recruitment and activity on the less dominant side. This was actually a case that I had the same thing. So I had a very similar issue where my chest was uneven and I was watching my less dominant side actually start to become more dominant. And I think what that was was just the focus on the technique on that side. And what I had to do was just I went to unilateral work, really lighten the load up and really got really technical on both sides. And for a while there, you're gonna be just the dominant side. It'll be easy work. It'll be easy work compared to until they catch up. And there's just subtle postural differences there as well as you notice like on your dominant side, you may be a little more more protracted with your shoulder and you're getting that extra bit of extension there from the right side as your left is catching up and is more open and the chest has more time to really kind of help respond. And so to put more work back in setting yourself up before the lift and getting those both shoulders to be open retracted and really kind of supported there to be able to provide that equal amount of force. That's gonna contribute as well. Again, this is all like technique. Like technique for sure with that, but like the unilateral work is gonna help kind of, you know, maintain the strength and kind of address any of the imbalances strength-wise. But then, you know, setting yourself up and the mechanics of it is gonna be crucial for you to like make sure that's evenly distributed. Where do you feel, where do you feel more, why do you say you're more dominant on the right? Is it from bench press? What exercise are you noticing this? Well, that are you physically can see the difference. Besides the difference. Yeah, it's more like, yeah, it's like athletically. So like I'm right handed basically is that's the way done. Do you notice the difference when you lift? Like when you lift, is there a big difference? Yeah, no. So that's kind of why I'm a little bit more confused about it because I don't notice any strength differences. Like I focus a lot on form. Even when I do unilateral stuff, I notice that it's kind of even. It's just the shape and the fullness on this side. It's just, it's like an attachment point almost like this pec, I feel like it's right in the middle of the sternum. This one just kind of veers off a little bit. It doesn't bellow up. Well, that's different, you know. That might be different. So without seeing a picture of your chest, it's hard for me to determine. But did you, did you send us a picture by chance? I didn't, no. And I've got tattoos all across the chest. It's kind of hard to see in a picture anyway. I can definitely send one in after. Yeah, because if it's an attachment thing, then there's nothing you can do about it. So if you have, yeah, if it attaches further off to this off the sternum than the other side, there's nothing you can do about that. That's just an muscle attachment. Yeah, that's just your genetic. If there's no difference in strength. I'm telling you though, you're describing exactly what I went through. It looked like I had like a different shaped chest on one side versus the other. And it was just, and I could tell that it was underdeveloped. And if it would just develop, if it was developed more then it would look more like the opposite side. And it's for the exact reasons that I'm telling you is that I was so focused on the, my weaker side that the technique and form was really good on that side. And my dominant side, I was less focused on the technique because I had no problem. The form, the weight was easy to move. But what I wasn't realizing was the tricep in the shoulder were taking over more of that movement to perform it. Whereas in my weaker side, I had to be so perfect on form that it was, the chest was doing most of the work like it should be. And then when I would go into things like bench press, the bar would move evenly and you wouldn't, my form would look good for the average person. But what's happening is my recruitment pattern on the stronger side is shoulder and tricep more. And on the weaker side, it's all chest because of my technique of practicing that. And the way I caught it up was all unilateral work starting with the less dominant side first and just being very strict with form and recognizing that the side that's stronger, you're gonna have to just lay back for a while because you know you can do way more weight but it's not about way more weight. It's about the technique of moving the weight that matters the most. Do you have map symmetry? I don't know. I guess that was gonna be my next question. I'm in phase one of anabolic again right now. And as you guys know that the strength gains are pretty real in that couple weeks span there. So my question was gonna be if you did point me toward more unilateral training, do I just kind of back off the strength and kind of just focus on not looking at those numbers pop up? Or is it something that can kind of work hand in hand? No, I mean, if you're having fun, you can finish phase one and then I'd go into map symmetry. At the end of map symmetry, there's a strength phase that I think you'll really like. So finish up phase one because it sounds like you'd have getting some great gains. I wouldn't want to stop that. And then after phase one, switch right into map symmetry. Okay, yeah, I can do that. All right, man. Thanks for calling in, dude. Cool, thanks a lot. I appreciate it, guys. You got it. Thanks. If it's a literal attachment issue, though, there's nothing you can do about it. But I think it's probably what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, you're right. It's not common to have a radically different attachment right to left. Unless you had an injury, right? Unless you tore something. You'd see that, though, right? Yeah, before you really put the line. You could see that. You could see it. Like, this is why this is so close to home for me. It's like, I thought all those things. I was like, man, why is my chest not attached to the center like the other one? It was just, it wasn't full enough to fill in the gap on that side. You couldn't even see that it was an attachment. Yeah. And so it was just, it was way more, and it was on the opposite side, you would think, and it was for all the reasons I said. So I think it's, I wish I still had a, I don't know if I have a picture somewhere or me like that, but there was a major issue for me, was I could not figure that out for the longest time, being like, I don't understand why my weaker side has a more developed looking chest, and that was it. Our next caller is Amber from California. Amber, how you doing? Hi. Good to see you. Hey guys, what's up? Hi, Amber. Not a lot, just answering questions. How can we help you? Oh, well, I'm so excited to be here and to have my question answered, hopefully. So I have been basically training for about a year and a half with a focus on strength, and sorry, my daughter's right here. So if I keep looking over. That's all right. Don't let her get me. So in September, I have noticed these like horizontal dents that developed in my quad muscles on the front of them, obviously. And I don't really know what they're from exactly. I'm worried that it's bad form. I read that it could be from leaning on a counter or a table. So my questions are, A, what do you think most likely caused these horizontal dents? And B, how should I train moving forward to minimize these dents and hopefully reverse them? Do they hurt or bother you or do you notice anything when you work out or do you just visually see them? Visually, it's, there's no pain. It's all aesthetically very displeasing. And then when you press, if you press your hand above the dent, you said you have a daughter? Yeah, I have two kids, actually. Did you notice a lot of water retention when you were pregnant? You know, when you test it and you put your hand on it and like leaves it like an indentation, you take your hand off and then it's. I don't know, but I was wondering if maybe there was something going on with like hormones and body fat, you know, because it's like above the dent, it seems to be like puffier. So like on the upper thigh, you know, that whole area. There's an edema thing going on. I would go to the doctor and I would have them check your, if you're having any lymphatic issues or anything in that nature, this is a water, this seems to be a water retention or swelling issue. It's not muscle unless you have some damaged muscle there, but you would have known like you would have gotten a car accident or somebody kicked you or something. Yeah, or bother her physically. Yeah, so it looks like there's some kind of swelling coming probably from the pelvis area or above. And then what happens is it starts to settle. It's trapped. And it comes down, yeah, and it goes down the body and it's kind of staying around there. And so then the dent really is where there's no swelling or less swelling. It's what it looks like to me, but I would definitely have a doctor look at it because this could be not a big deal, could also be a very big deal. If there's some kind of a drainage issue or some kind of a blockage, especially a blood clot or something like that, do you have any tingling or any different, like any strength, any weaknesses, anything like that in the lower body? No, actually I feel fine and I feel strong and I feel healthy. It's just kind of like the look of it is just a little weird. Okay, and then it's always like this, right? It's not like when you're sitting and something's on your leg and you take it off. It's just no matter what, it's always there. Yeah, I did stop working out for about two weeks and I've been very cautious about the table at work and it seems to not be as deep as it was, but it's still like I can run my hand across and it's like, you know. Yeah, it looks like a water retention. Yeah, like carbohydrates or sodium, like you've consumed, but like does it affect like the size or anything? No, no, it hasn't like gotten worse. Okay, so you ever see like, you know, like sometimes you'll have like a guy will wear like long, like we got dress socks on for real long. He goes on a trip, comes back from business, takes his socks off and then it's like, he's got like, it's like swelling above it and then all of a sudden you can tell where the socks were. Okay, yes. Okay, so it could be something like that. There's some water retention going on. Maybe you're leaning up against a desk, you come off, it takes a while for it to go away. I would still get checked out though, to make sure that there's nothing wrong with the way your body is moving fluid throughout itself, just to make sure, just to rule out anything else. Okay. Okay, but it's not your workout. It's not your workout. There's nothing you do with your workout that's causing that. Yeah. Okay, thank goodness. I mean, hopefully it's nothing bad obviously, but I was worried that I messed it up on my own, like from fast form. No, no, no, no, no, nope. Nope, nothing you do with workouts. Go have it checked out and then circle back because I'd like to hear what they say. Yeah, what program are you following by the way, Amber? Actually, I'm not following any program. I'm just doing it on my own. That's why you got the dance. You're not following the program. I'm gonna send you a program. I'm gonna send you a program. I'm gonna send you one of our programs, okay? Do you go to a gym or do you work out at home? So I do have a gym in the apartment building that I go to and it's a dumbbell, kettlebell, cable machine, very small, but efficient. And that's, I just go there and I just do it, you know? Okay, I'm gonna send you maps, send a ball, follow the dumbbell only version. That's probably be a good program for you, okay? Okay, perfect. That's awesome. And then I'll definitely go to the doctor because I mean, yeah, if I gotta do that, I'll go do that and make sure everything's fine. Yeah, just check it out. Yeah. Okay. Just to check it out. Then let us know, all right? Yeah. All right, perfect, I definitely will. And just thank you for taking the time to help me with this issue. And definitely appreciate the show and everything you do for us and sharing all the wonderful information and not selling us any baloney we don't need. Oh, thank you so much. Appreciate the call. Thank you, Amber. Bye guys. Take it easy. Well, I had a thought through this. Like if that was me, like I would get one of those like cupcake, you know, pans and just... Well, what? No, I got instant abs. Stupid. Stupid. Like that meme of the guy in the fence. You know, you can use it. Use it. Use one retention to your benefit. Use it for your advantage. Edge in the cuts that you want. It's most likely that there's no, I mean, she doesn't hurt, doesn't bother her. Well, look, and the reason why I told her to the doctor is you could have... Could be like a circulation issue. You can have a minor infection and an upper part of your body, it tends, the fluid tends to travel down and then you'll see it kind of stop at a particular point and you'll notice the slide. It seems like that's probably what's going on. Yeah, that's a weird thing. Or there's some kind of water retention issue and she is leaning up against a desk all day long. And then when she comes off it sticks around for the rest of the day and she's noticing, she's hyper aware of it. But nonetheless, you know, you have... Probably nothing crazy. If you have weird, like excessive swelling or, what's the word I want to use? Uniform swelling. That's almost always a reason to go to the doctor because it probably isn't like something bad, but it could be. So that's one of the things you want to get checked out. Our next caller is Gabby from South Carolina. Gabby, what's happening? How you doing? Hi guys. I briefly met y'all when I went to the Olympia for like eight seconds, but I was kind of starstruck. So anyway, my question for you guys, I have been lifting for the past four years. I started doing it well about three years ago. I'm now at the point where I want to change my training focus for a while. I've been focusing on strength and building muscle. I went through a couple of different bulks and a couple of different cuts until I decided I had the amount of muscle that I was happy with. And before I started lifting, I was really into running. And I know that obviously you can't build muscle while you're running. You're opposing adaptations, but now that I've built a physique that I like, I have an amount of muscle mass that I do like, but I want to phase towards running again. And I want to train for a half marathon, maybe a marathon. Obviously I'm not trying to build muscle while I'm doing this, but I would like to try and keep as much as I can. I know I can't over train. I can't lift a ton while my mileage increases, but I want to be able to still have a pretty strong metabolism. I don't want to have a ton of down regulation. So I'm just trying to see how I can best preserve the muscle mass that I already have and to make sure that my metabolism doesn't down regulate too much. I'm just for background, I guess I'm 23 next week. I am 118 pounds, I'm 55, and my body fat percentage is probably around 19%. And I eat like 2,100 calories while running nine miles a week and lifting three times a week. What's the goal with the half marathon and marathon? Yeah, that's it. Do you want to, are you trying to win them or just to be able to complete them? I want to complete them. I want to complete them well, but I'm not trying to necessarily beat all these other people. I just want to beat myself. Lift one day a week. No, this is easy. You don't need to train crazy for a half. You're already running nine miles a week. Do you feel like you could just go right now? Do you feel like you could go run a half marathon and be okay? No, I feel like I could run maybe 10 miles or not. You're close. Maybe eight, yeah, I'm close, but... Sorry, so look, here's the deal. For the half marathon, honestly, you probably don't need to run more than twice a week. I would do a fast five mile run and a slower 10 mile run. I would not run 13 miles until the day of the marathon. Lift two days a week, bump your calories a little bit and you'll be okay. When you get to marathon, drop your strength training down to once a week at another day of running where you're going to go five miles fast, 10 miles slower, and then you're going to do one 15, 13 to 15 mile run, but don't run a full marathon until you get the day of marathon. Now that should get you there without overtraining, without overdoing it and feeling pretty darn good. But I would bump your calories in the process, keep your protein intake high, get good sleep, and you'll be okay. Where you're going to mess up is by running more than that, by just doing lots of people, lots and lots of running. They think that if they got to get ready for a marathon, then he's got to run every single day. And or also doing a bunch more training or keeping your training. I think you could go down to two days a week if she's training for the half marathon and then go down to one day a week if she's going to go for the full marathon. Yeah, exactly. But everything else, I 100% agree exactly like that. Yeah, you'll be totally fine. Okay. Well, thank you guys. I just don't want to lose, I guess what I worked really hard for in building up my metabolism and muscle. Over-training is the only way you do that. Yeah, you won't. And whatever you do, we'll come right back. Yeah, here's what you'll notice. You'll get more endurance. You're going to lose some strength. You might lose some muscle fullness. Body fat percentage might go up a little bit at most. If it does, that's about it. And then when you're out of it, take a little time off, get back to lifting, you'll bounce back really quick. If you overdo it in your training, that's where you're going to screw yourself up. And honestly, there's a lot of great, a lot of value in moving in and out of stuff like this. It's the people that get stuck in it that it's not healthy and ideal. But for you to have strength train, built your metabolism up, done a great job, what you've done so far to interrupt that with a nice half marathon, the marathon run and then go back to your training is completely healthy. You've got the endurance benefits going back into strength training. It's going to be great for you. Yeah, and yeah, look, she's got a great physique we're looking at your Instagram right now. Yeah, you do got great muscle. I think you'll be okay. I think you'll be okay. You're not going to lose as much as you think. If you start to, here's the deal. If you start to feel like garbage, if you start to have poor sleep, if you start to just feel weathered and beat up, don't get caught up in the like, I got to do this at all costs type of crap because that's where people start to run into problems. But if you feel good, while you're doing it, you feel kind of good. Don't say to yourself, oh, I feel good, I could do more. Like just feel good. Keep yourself in that feel good state and you'll be okay. Okay, perfect. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it a lot. You got it. Thanks for calling in. All right, bye. You know, I'll tell you what. I feel like we met her boyfriend or husband too. Both of them. Yeah, as I say, he looks really familiar. Yeah, I think so. So, you know, here, okay. So if people think that overtraining is common in the gym and the strength training space, multiply times a hundred in the running space. Oh yeah, the running is, yeah. I have never, never, ever met anybody who trains for or trained for a marathon or half marathon who didn't just over train. Reasonably. Yeah. Nobody does. They think that they need to run at, you know, they need to get close to what the race is once a week. And then the other times run like crazy miles. It doesn't know. Not at all. I mean, I had one woman, we got her ready for Boston to qualify for Boston and for the Boston. So, you know, and she never ran a full marathon. Well, especially if you're competing for the competition. That's it. If the suggestion, the mile suggestion you gave, you're over time, you're incrementally improving that. That's right. You're just getting a little bit better at the 10 minute. That's what you wanna see. You're getting a little bit better at the 15 minute, or the 15 mile. Each time you're getting a little bit better at it, you keep progressing like that than the day of the actual half marathon or marathon. That's when you push yourself. Yeah. Totally. Look, if you like the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com, check out our free stuff. Also, if you're a trainer or coach, I'm gonna be teaching three classes for free, for trainers and coaches, starting January 15th. Go sign up now, mindpumptrainer.com. One more thing, find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Battle.