 I'm a guest y'all have to be nice to me. Oh boy When they said warehouse, I was actually make it louder. We are loud. Wait, wait, wait, what? It's just jay complaining. Oh, okay. Can they not hear me? No, they can hear us. We're using these mics. These are perfect All right, sir. Yeah, what have you been up to? Are we gonna talk about my week or the past year or everything? Where do you want to start about the week? Yeah, that's also been very nice Can't complain too much, you know Very happy to be back a lot to talk about Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, what are we time? There is a lot to talk about and Hello Speak what you didn't even tell me to speak anything. How was your week? My week was okay. Okay. Oh the double mic My week was fun. I didn't do very much At all at all. I didn't work. I haven't done much at all this week. That was my week What are you Brandon? How was your week? I worked I flew the drone I flew the drone and I accessed things that I shouldn't Yeah, no, it's good. It was good. There's gonna be a lot of drone flying over the next two weeks Come on Brandon. I'm trying to you've missed out on so much. I feel like I have missed out on so much. Um There's the mic Yes, okay. Oh, that's what you were doing. I have missed out on so much and I'm kind of in the loop I'm kind of out of the loop. I think the last week. I've definitely been out of the loop I got back from carowinds How was that it was a lot of fun the new fast lane system Yeah, that what's the new fast lane system? Why doesn't sir you explain? Okay? Well, it's so cool. So it's literally and Wonderland did this before I think in 2015 with like a Like a barcode gun, but when you get your wristband, it's gonna be the exact same However, it is gonna have a QR code on it and the QR code is gonna be like on that sticky part So if you tamper with it in any way, then you have to go to get services and explain whatever happened But basically it's gonna be like a little self-scan kiosk like I don't like it's literally just gonna be a scanner with a screen And you're gonna scan the barcode and if it permits you so if it's a valid barcode on the valid day It's gonna light up green you can go However, if it's not if it's been tampered with in any way or if it can't scan or if it's like from a different day For whatever reason then it's gonna light up red and you have to go to get services immediately so I think it's gonna alleviate a lot of I I don't issues in the fast lane line So, you know what if you don't have a 2020 for fast lane, you know, it might be time to consider getting it because Yeah, they're definitely cracking down on it And I think it's definitely a good thing and you know what it should streamline the process a lot easier in my opinion I'm excited. I love tech. I every time a park upgrades their tech. I love it I feel like it's not gonna take everything so much longer now Okay, but here's the thing it will maybe take longer like maybe five seconds to scan per wristband at most but Again, I'm not saying anything. However, you know, I mean we had to do this sometimes too on some days But this is a lot more like You know every now and then you'd have that person who ties up the fast lane wristband and stuff And then you have the person that group or a greeter or whatever who goes and inspects it and then holds up the whole line Well with this system because the QR code is right on that sticky part if you rip it off or something you it's tamper proof essentially so you're gonna like mitigate that and You know, again, I'm not saying that people do this or anything But if someone for whatever reason tries to reuse other days fast lanes, it's obviously not gonna work because it's coded to the date, right? So I'm saying like Why I Think it's gonna be a really cool system I agree. I agree and they've we've seen them installing it They've had this little one guy in a truck driving around cutting like these lines in the pavement of all the fast lane rides And I'm like, how's that gonna turn into like a I never understand how they do electrical work Because this guy's cutting the lines for the electrical wires But how does he like each ride has an electrical availability conduit just available underground to connect to other things? I mean, yeah, they all they have to do is just find a line and tap into it. That's crazy to me A lot of electrical going on in the mountain I'm trying to think of there was anything so you had a good trip to carolins So let's pretend like you don't know what you know today. Okay, okay What was your honest thoughts about what this ride was gonna be before you saw what you saw today Like what with the mountain? Yeah Honestly, I was on the fence. I was still thinking B&M, but I was trying to go more towards an invert What are you still doing? You know, you know what the honest answer for siri is is he hasn't watched a single one of our videos No, sir, yeah, okay, so to describe people think that siri and I don't talk But what happens is I'll fly the drone and I call siri I usually the minute my drone lands and begin to a phone call and I send him pictures and I'm like, what do you think? Literally, it's like clockwork, too. I can tell the time. I'm like, oh, it runs. Oh, yeah, you finish flying It's you know what though like if you think about it from like a month ago to now it's It's definitely changed a lot and it's very confusing. Yeah, it's gotten a little more confusing But also a little more clear, but which makes it a little more confusing That was kind of confusing That whole sentence So what do you what model did you think before like honestly like invert you thought in first still invert? Yeah, I thought yeah, I mean change now though. You'll see. Oh His opinion's so boring. I thought I didn't as mad that my opinions right What's your opinion? He thinks it's anything since like a market. Okay, okay, I'm sorry. Oh my god. That wasn't me I Kind of always thought B&M until recently until winter chill out. Oh Yeah, oh, okay. So can you can you share what you heard at winter chill out in a little more detail? Yeah, so at winter chill out There wasn't like an official Q&A, but when we got to see top-thrilled to his trains they did like a five ten minute question and answer session and they talked about the first-ever test run of Top-thrilled to which was back in December. I believe And they were saying they specifically wanted to test it in the colder weather well, there was precipitation in the air so like snow and Tony Clark said that they tested it on a day when it was 20 degrees Fahrenheit I don't know what that is in Celsius. It's like maybe negative five negative six six Like negative six point six, so that's pretty cool No, if you think about that like you think about a B&M or any that that's like winter fest You know like there are most days of winter fest this year weren't even that cold so they ran No, it's true, right? No, it was very warm this year. Yeah all the time though Yet anyway, yes, that's not all the time anyway So they ran it in 20 in 20 Fahrenheit negative 6.6 degrees And they said that it ran flawlessly between the trains performing flawlessly The LSMs linear synchronizing motors perform flawlessly the power supply perform flawlessly And it was able to do complete cycles without any problem at all Which is pretty impressive if you think about especially where that specific ride came from to now like Running and performing in those type of weather conditions like that's harsh and then you got the wind They ran it in the snow and it was still able to do like it's full cycle without a single fault So the main reason they can't run those because the hydraulic No, so not freezes, but it becomes too thick when it gets cold. Well, do they even use hydro no It's a so with the LSM when you're synchronizing motor. It's all electric electrical and magnets. So there's no moving parts So what's interesting is we have a guy in our discord server JD. He's amazing He's back during the Yukon era. He disappeared after Yukon. He's back now and he's been super helpful He actually found an exact news Video from Italy where they're interviewing Antonio whatever his name is Antonio Zamperla and he talks about his first ride And he did it in the snow and he talks about it and he said it was cold But it was amazing. It worked flawlessly. So there's an interview that backs up exactly what you said about winter chill out So it is interesting because cedar point doesn't do Winterfest nor would they be a park that could really do it. It's unfortunate, but being on the peninsula It's I think it's I think it would be too cold and like windy especially I don't think too many people would go like cedar points odd like target who they target I don't think they would go and enjoy a winterfest So you thought invert you thought invert. I think invert currently I Truthfully, I've always been Zamperla for a while, but I was there's a reason I had this designed by the way And it looks like my wallpaper for the podcast is going to be useless already So I'm gonna have to order a new one. Can we do like a Kings Dominion episode? But I'm working Hello Oh Are you maybe it's Surya does talk quieter? That's all I'm sorry. I'll start yelling. So you maybe hold it a little closer Yeah, I'll tell you I'll be able I'll be able to monitor your voice down here on the So Let's get to the current you guys are about to get some patreon. Okay, the podcast hasn't even started yet Okay, so I'm gonna give a little oh, there was one thing you wanted to say there was a message you had About you and I working together or something like that. Oh, yeah Putting him on the spot. He had a really he had a really good message. I do I have a really good message and You know, I know like again things have not been Not been like rocky or anything, but you know, I like I Just want to say and this is not Me in any way trying to put anyone down or try to make Myself Brendan Craig anyone seem above anybody because no one is above anybody, but It's true no one no one is above anybody But when it comes to certain things like, you know passion and stuff like Brendan amusement insiders He's been doing this for what you're going on six years now seven years. Yeah, since before Yukon So he knows what he's doing. You know what I mean, like he's he's been like one of the first Wonderland content creators really and And you know, I know I'm still pretty new like a couple years ago with tick-tock and everything but I just want to say that You know, everyone has their own identity like Brendan amusement insiders on me like everyone everyone has their own identity But one no You know when It's good to have your own identity do your own thing, but it's also good to acknowledge like when there is Excellence right like like, you know, two people can do two separate things really good And then if you can come together on certain projects and collaborate, that's also really important And I feel like You know, like if if There's no like I don't know how to how to word it now it sounded better when I was it did it sound really good on the phone But now it sounds kind of like I'm not trying to be cocky, but You know, I feel like that we can bring a level of content at the moment that No other Wonderland creators can necessarily bring and that's not putting anyone down at all, but I Feel like that, you know in certain projects and stuff when we all work together We bring our best and that means the best for you guys and the best for everybody involved And I think it's really important to not forget that and it's really important to pursue that Yeah, so we were gonna we yeah, we're gonna start working together a lot more So, yeah, you know if what's that? Craig is going bye-bye But essentially what we were gonna get into let's get into so let's start the pod I am but I want to say something and I want I this is important because a lot of people think that There's not a lot I shouldn't say a lot of what Jake worded it best Jake told me Brennan You always read like the one hate comment, and then you'll word it like everyone hates me One person does something everybody's doing this yep everybody If I was to ask you guys right now to tell the audience if they should trust what we're about to present in full honesty After the videos you saw today, would you tell them that they should sit down and trust the information they're about to be told? From you I wouldn't trust anything every take it with a grain of salt Everything Brendan says she'll always be taken with a grain of salt. Oh, yeah speculation and rumors My god, he's serious What after the video you just saw I Said I trust yeah, we're good. Yeah, I Think that everyone should you know at the end of the day form their own opinion and take everything that anyone says with a grain of salt however you know with Certain like You know what when you get a group of people together brainstorming and stuff and certain ideas and when you can visually see something and it just makes sense I would say You know that informate that The information presented to you is Probably the most accurate to date outside of whatever the park will say yeah And there's a reason Jake's not sitting here Cuz he's gonna leak it No, but okay, honestly, we're gonna we're gonna be presenting the most up-to-date information We have on this project is what I'm trying to say. I should have worded a little better So the you're gonna see some maps drawn of what's currently in the works and what we think That means with a little bit of proof so let's go to the Okay So on the map before you you have three tunnels One reinforced underneath Guardians lift hill And then you have one a lot more detailed structure taking form Beside vortexes lift hill notice a little notch in that tunnel and then yeah The notch is the most important part to take note of this is what I want you guys to trust and To just to just watch then you have a third tunnel that's taken form. It's actually bull toes tiny toms So this season there's gonna be a Wonderland worker that just stands that like exit drop off So these are your three tunnels There's been a lot of misconception about these tunnels and that comes from me too that comes from this channel So there's been a lot of speculation that these tunnels could technically align. Is that true? Seria after you saw it today. Yeah Yeah, no, no, no, no think about the leveling. That's what I was trying to get at So these tunnels are on different levels of the mountain. Okay. Well, yeah, so They might be but they they they might be but Well, can I get into like No, we'll save that save that one for another we are gonna talk about everything we know don't worry I just want to form a storyline So currently do these three tunnels a line on the same level of the mountain They do not well, okay They definitely do not because if you look at the furthest bottom tunnel by Guardian where that path is that's like at the very lowest level of the mountain like the basement basement and That at the moment has nothing to do with the other two tunnels like it's you know Even now if you look at it like it's probably even isolated like there's probably walls and other things getting in the way So I don't think that has anything to do with the other two tunnels at least at this moment the tunnel they just dug out it's Is that even still on the same level it is on the same level but Did we show him the video No, okay, but it's so they could they could make it like they could make it still connected obviously Mm-hmm those two tunnels those two tunnels, but the bottom the third tunnel the one that goes to the lowest level No, I don't think that has anything to do with but we're doing there at the moment Surya has a really interesting thing that he's gonna talk about soon About some things later So what I'm trying to get at with this topic of discussion is let's remove the maintenance tunnel From our minds so there's not gonna be a spike currently that comes out of it that connects to these other two tunnels There's not gonna be a coaster that shoots out of that tunnel that is involved with those other two tunnels dug the maintenance tunnel Does seem to be a maintenance tunnel currently Even though there is a lot of reinforcement work going on it and it seems like overkill But could one ask is that not just to prolong its life another 20 30 years 100% another 40 because that's how long it's been there at this point Yeah, actually, yeah, but it's in really rough shape. Have you seen it? I'm sure it was Why it needed renovation and maybe they figured you know they got the crews there. They're already doing two tunnels Yeah, it's a different construction company to by the way doing that tunnel especially if they think they're gonna need to move You know heavy machinery over Okay Do you guys see the current drawing by the tunnel by vortex with the little divot So the Surya based off of let's say you didn't know some of the information If you looked at what you saw currently, what would you assume That tunnel was for because a lot of people were assuming pathways and I wanted I wanted to bait this Okay, that's definitely not like a guest pathway. That's not a pathway That's gonna be used by the average person by like a daily guest I think it's either something for maintenance or for conduiting or both like It's it's wait which one. Oh, so I was talking about the whole tunnel as a whole But that's okay still not that little side. No, not yet Okay, we're gonna talk about that in a sec But if you were to look at this tunnel because a lot of people watching the channel are like oh it looks like a guest path It looks like a guest path Which I can see why they would say that because the curbs align which is weird and it did look like a guest path before They put the forms up. Yeah, but now that the forms are up and they put the gravel base down It's very narrow and it's deep too like like if you look from where the path level is down to the Ground level of the tunnel. That's like Keep going that's like a you know six seven foot difference so they can't have like gas jumping down there That just doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can't build a staircase either if it was meant to be a guest Well, they would use you already So it wouldn't have made sense to just like they would have laid the gravel up like you know I mean they would have angled like sloped it And it is it's like not that it's narrow, but It doesn't make sense, you know if you think of a queue line, right? You have your the entrance Maybe the exit somewhere there. Yeah fast lane you have an area for like a grouper or greeter so I don't Yeah, I don't think that really makes sense for that You're so self-conscious I can see it in you you look to me for You keep looking at me if I'm if you're okay with what you're saying So I love this topic of discussion because so many people are like it's a it's a it's the queue line It's the exit. It's the no in what coaster project. Have we ever seen them build the queue line first? Yeah, never ever ever ever ever they would not build that first You think they're gonna cut out the mountain and build the queue line in the exit before they build the coaster They could do a queue line Even if it involved cutting out the mountain like they did for this tunnel they could do it in a week Whereas the coaster you're seeing it the forms go up, which brings me. Let's go to the next slide Okay, so on the screen, I'll let you do you want to explain this or do you want to explain it? What am I explain that's Craig explain Craig explain what I'm showing on the screen. What are we showing on the screen? Okay, first and foremost you pick the worst picture to show and second of all Never mind So what we're looking at I can't even point that it is the arrow on That side over there call it like vortex tunnel and then whatever whatever Tatas to Tatas. How do you turn? Tatas Tatas Anyways as you can see on Tatas's tunnel here. There's a staircase that kind of leads up I mean it doesn't have to go up But there's obviously a cutout a very thin cutout and a staircase out in theory on bore Texas tunnel I mean we're looking at the wall like this for example There would be a cutout this way that goes kind of like that into the back of the mountain It could be a staircase up could be a staircase down who knows we can't see that side of it Unfortunately, but that's what we're looking at in theory in Brendan's theory. This isn't my theory Wait till you hear my theory Craig of your theory makes me so angry. Wait, what's Craig is there? Okay, it's not time for it yet. It's not It is time for it. What do you think this tunnel is? Okay, so first and foremost I'm just gonna go back to this other one quick. This is this was the top the the tunnel picture, right this one The one we were just looking at the cartoon one. Yeah. Yeah, okay Can we also? Moderators I didn't realize I had to moderate you, but can we not use swear words in the the chat Jake look at Jake, of course Anyways, so if you see Suspiciously tunnel will call it one being the one next to vortex I know tunnel one is the one next to vortex and tunnel two is this tiny toms one You're messing it up a little bit So how we've referred to it through the construction just so that you can keep it that way Reinforced tunnel is one vortex tunnels to new tunnels three. So it makes sense, right? The how they were in order so now new tunnel two over here and tunnel three as You can see they're very it could be a beautiful cutoff for a nice indoor New area who says they won't expand to Alpen and make it a nice indoor extravagant area It could be open during Winterfest that little cutout that we're talking That cutout that we're talking about over here in the wall here could be the perfect exit for Thunder Run It's just nowhere near Thunder Run's exit Anyway, that's my theory I know I'm right nobody just wants to accept it because everybody here is Enthusiasts and just wants new roller toes. So okay, can I just ask so when you exit Thunder Run? Maybe during Winterfest then you go to this Christmas market, right? And then you exit over there It's I'm serious though. Like it could you never know it's rumors and speculation As I know it says tunnel discussion not rumors It's okay, Craig, and this is why it's really ugly Sorry, you guys can't hear me It's really ugly in there just so you know Also secondly someone asked earlier. Is it not just a big open space in there? No, it's really not let's get to that Oh wait, no, we didn't finish this topic of discussion Okay, so what do you think this tunnel is Saria? Definitely a launch tunnel. Um, no, no, that's what my American engineers said too. I definitely think it is a launch tunnel now One it's super deep like compared to the relative pathway as well So it's I think it's gonna launch up and maybe go over vortex or try and Curve out or do something like that but look at the design of the tunnel, you know It's like a trough so you're gonna have the track the lsm's there that will cut away that to me screams like a maintenance area Or an area where you can Or an area where like you can you know run condo waiting for lsm's or even put like other capacitors or electrical equipment for the launch or like an evacuation area but most Modern-day launch coasters have something kind of similar set up like that I personally think it's to contain the launch area and to kind of isolate it to have a more controlled environment But you know, well not even but because especially since you're coming out of the mountain, right? So it's all going to be indoors So it only makes sense to continue that trench like outwards until you actually leave off the ground It's so cool to have a new indoor area in the mountain I think it's a launch tunnel or a launch trough So yeah, that's exactly so some of my American engineer friends said the same thing and they said this before even some of these forms went up They're like The trench everything it's just suggesting. It's how they build Launch coasters and it's a funny JD last night Took whatever I sent him and he found me a bunch of examples Mainly two tat to us No, sorry And we found a lot of these trenches very narrow and designed similar to the one there And we found a lot of these little side pathways similar to what they built right there. That is a side pathway And it just is Really hard to ignore that these two tunnels tunnel two and tunnel three align in a perfect L It's hard to ignore that this is a really big trench design. It's not your path design Those forms do you I think a lot of people are forgetting those big like Square forms that went down to build these walls on they're not meant for a path Well, you're not only that just look at the look at the walls itself, right? Like that's not for a path Those are structural walls. Yeah, literally retain the same like design as these walls there and everything so You wouldn't do that for a foot path. That would definitely be overkill You could you could I don't Just like the overkill foot path for the tunnel that they're restoring Oh, I mean, that's a valid point, but that's also big trucks got to go in there now And yeah, and you got to walk through that tunnel I'm no, you mean over it you mean over it. That's why they're doing it Surya and I getting our trip to lazy bear all the I'm sorry I'm screaming into my mic It's they had to reinforce the tunnel because you that's our path to lazy bear I want to point out that I did lose a little bit of weight I want to point out that I have done nothing but put on weight But so I just want you guys to To see these images because this is going to be a huge topic of discussion moving forward I'm trying to be careful of how I word things right now Look, you can still see the formwork on tortoise. I'm joking. That's a joke And there's going to be a roof by the way If you guys can't look very closely to the right side closest to vortex's lift hill You'll see the rebar sticking out left and then you'll see it connect over there And there is electrical already connected in behind there. Um, oh, yeah, you can see the top of the exposed bars Yeah, nobody have any faith in zemper Okay, so can we talk about this? Yeah, actually I do I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I was getting triggered. I was like, no, I can't no I can't relax take a choke. Let him sound like someone Um No, okay, so a lot of people No, I went At winter chill out like a lot of people were saying like, oh, you know Do you trust zemperla to do something like this? And you think about it like a company that literally went from building rides like you know lumberjack to um Time warp stuff like that all of a sudden goes to building a 400 plus foot roller coaster that goes 200 kilometers an hour Like that is a huge jump in technology engineering and everything in trust That's the biggest thing right like cedar fair took a gamble on zemperla, but you know what? it went when Ever you get the opportunity or even just go look at videos of top thrill 2 and stuff and you see the way they designed it The trains everything like this gamble has paid off because zemperla is not only proving themselves technologically like They can launch those trains in virtually any weather condition Aesthetically speaking these are some of the nicest trains the nicest design of any ride ever built in my opinion Like I think it blows away anything b&m has ever done and I like that that includes fury Like the way the structure is like it's absolutely Amazing so you have a company that went from literally building glorified carnival rides to now these huge mega projects or mega project at the moment But you know what it works it works better than any b&m It works better than any intimate ever built thus far and it's so impressive that a company that literally did nothing Can now go to this to compete with b&m intimate mock like Yeah, I I have complete faith that zemperla can deliver virtually anything a park wants You have to understand too zemperla hired people from intimate. Yeah, um on top of that Where you guys we're not talking about Zemperla volaires anymore We're talking about zemperla who can take intimate coasters and make them The same and i'm really excited to see because it wonderland in their true fashion I hate this word. I hate this so much being a task park Getting the first fully designed zemperla new age coaster like you train too far out of the picture Does it no like it seems like this is exactly it now take in some of the information we kind of Heard through the rumor mill that wonderland had a change in budget an increase And now they're going with a different model but So entertain that do you believe because we're not Do you believe wonderland changed their mind last minute? So we saw that survey blast coaster, right? You know the answer. Are you saying no? rumors and speculation You are privy to that meeting I I think one of the biggest reasons that wonderland most likely changed their mind Was the selling factor that you know zemperla has proven that they can run their rides their design in any weather condition yeah And you were at a meeting Two years ago where winterfest rides are an important thing very important thing and you know like again I'm not knocking winterfest, but if you go to winterfest like it's kind of the Nothing wrong with it, but but There needs to be something new something major I think to draw more people in because we have a very successful winterfest compared to the other parks however, like You know some No me he can grab it for me you're talking Um Something the other parks have though, you know like kings island kings dominion carowins is they run major major Attractions and I think of wonderland could also get on that level we could see our attendance numbers for winterfest double or triple Which would be like that would be groundbreaking for the for the for cedar fair and for wonderland Like that would help with the future investments too. Yeah, they really don't pull in teens at all for winterfest No, they don't they don't so if they could start pulling in teens, which I know grounds Um, but that's still money. That's a lot of money. They already have the most successful winterfest event Imagine if they could make it as busy as their It's never gonna be as busy as haunt or summer summer, but they could make it almost as good as summer season in attendance Still won't be fury, but I want to hear your thoughts actually this is a really good Topic, uh, so did you hear that wonderland switched vikings rage over to electric? Yeah, do you want to explain why they would have done that? I don't know myself I'm actually curious I think they did that one because the old system it was a pure hydraulic drive tire system and although Well, it's very powerful like it has a lot of of Horsepower, but it takes a while to start accelerating and there's still like always the risk of rupturing a pipe and stuff Which it has no torque which the problem is Though when it gets cold like some of those older hydraulic lines and seals really can rupture they expand they contract and That's not ideal to run the ride during winterfest and the rage is a very popular winterfest attraction Especially since it's one of the only attractions that runs during winterfest. So You know, not only will it be more reliable You know, there's going to be less moving parts because it's all electric now all electric motors and everything Um, it's going to have a little bit more pep. So you probably will notice, you know You taking off faster like accelerating faster being able to stop faster Um can run in any weather condition, which is a very important especially for a water condition anyway Well, it it did but it struggles in the cold, right? There's always that risk of a hydraulic component rupturing or you know icing happening somewhere and like Some of the pneumatics or whatnot, but with all electric that that doesn't matter I have a four cylinder and it makes more torque than horsepower. I just want to put that out there Oh jasmine jasmine's husband. I know he's a car guy. I remember Um, okay, let's get into the maintenance tunnel. This is where you Know this is this is a really good point that surya pointed out. So I'll start it off quickly So orange is the current tunnels connecting black is the current constructed tunnel Red is the area that nothing can access. In fact, I would actually add a little bit more red in between those two red boxes Right, so just for clarification. What are those red boxes? So the that's an old one, but is it water? Yeah, it's not why is it bubbly? I don't know. I got there's gum in the bottom of that bottle. That was probably you That was me. I put that. Oh, okay. You're gonna drink out of that. Yeah, and you're wondering why it's Oh, yeah, that's probably why it's bubbling What in the shame Dawson? Um, okay, so um The middle red box is the drop track to guardian the red box closest to thunder run is thunder runs helix down And there's actually a third little red box for guardian station um And then there is the washrooms actually just under vortex's drop as well so getting a coaster over in elpin to over To the yellow lines the maintenance tunnel is next to impossible Because guardian that red box in the middle goes all the way down. You want to explain because you know this Yeah, so the drop track it starts from the highest level obviously and then it drops you to the the ground the ground level the mid level however, the Bottom of the pit where the drop track lies for maintenance purposes goes all the way down to the basement so that Tunnel that like shaft goes from the top of the mountain to the bottom of the mountain and it essentially almost cuts the mountain in half like Unfortunately, there's you know, really no way to get around that unless you redesign guardians drop track and that was You know five million dollars. So that's not happening Well, remember we're gonna get a ten million dollar market for christmas. Oh, oh, yeah, they're getting rid of guardian We're getting a new elpin Okay, I want to elaborate on your your little idea because it's bothering me so much So in what world does elpin indoors make sense? What I don't even know what elpin is but it's like germany outdoors like octoberfest They can do octoberfest. It's about drinking. But they only do that. They only do that for october Or so timber, what is it? Okay, and what germans don't live inside they live outside. What are you talking about? Like, what do you mean? So are we traveling into the mountain to meet some germans? I'm telling you it can be marketed very well with them saying look What's it been you haven't been able to go in here for 45 years. This is what's been going on Hoechentang, you know, what's the verboten one? It's gluten-tog first of all you mort Of feel sir Valid is it Do you know I had a bad dream can I tell you guys my bad dream you didn't fit on verboten? I'm sorry. Sorry I had a bad dream that this was a family boomerang in elpin Picture the second tunnel the little spike coming up, okay And then let's go and then you go out the other end of the tunnel and just do a little thing around elpin And thunder runs old station is like a dip down and then it goes back up and then comes back I had a bad dream about that. It was scary. I woke up and I was panicking and sweating And then jd calmed me down and we talked about it We had to we had to like talk about it the next morning because they wouldn't be teasing this early Um for a family coaster, uh, you know what the funny thing is though, it'd still probably be better than uconn You said that now I understand y'all understand why he wasn't on the podcast. Oh, no No I'm being agree. Um Yeah, um Okay, well, sorry off topic. So Right now right now These tunnels do not connect and they're not able to connect in terms of a coaster Track going from one end of the mountain and coming out the yellow maintenance tunnel impossible But Theory I almost called you theory Syria Please explain something something. I'm gonna switch to it And I'm gonna allow you to explain your theory because it's it's probably 99 accurate Well, we'll see it's Okay, do you want to So these white tubes here, these are called caissons. They're for in groundpour and like concrete footings This is at the furthest bottom level of the mountain. So this is the basement basement level The mountain is made up of three primary levels the top the ground level and then the basement So like guardian and stuff. That's at the top Where these two tunnels are tunnels two and three They're at the they're at the ground level of the of the mountain Like a huge concrete slab, I don't know how thick it is but The thing is and Guardian station is built on this same ground level two Now guardian station can get away with it because the track is relatively small if you look at it It doesn't have a thick spine the ride vehicles are small. They're only two cars eight people per train So it's relatively light. So literally for guardian. All they did was just bolt the track into the pre-existing ground They could have done some fortifications underneath But nothing needed to be extended all the way to the basement floor into the ground to build a new footing However, for something more substantial, you know, like a zampurla mock being a whatever with a thicker track And you have fully loaded trains maybe 20 30 people on the train That's going to be a lot more weight. So you're going to need something stronger And that concrete floor you aren't just going to be able to drop track and a train and a station onto it You're going to have to cut through the floor and go down into the basement and put actual pile footings Into the soil into the into the furthest bottom level of the basement Which makes sense why the caissons are there. So again, I I have no idea but You know, it's very plausible that they've already started doing Some foundation work pouring footings getting the caissons aligned putting the rebar cages in already down there On the bottom level of the basement of the mountain and then they're going to pour the footings They're going to put the columns up and they're going to cut holes to where the track and where the columns need to be On the ground floor of the mountain Again, there is already a pre-existing concrete slab there a floor there No idea how thick it is But even if it was a foot thick you still can't build on it because there's always that risk You know, it could crack over time and stuff So if they wanted to put a major roller coaster there and even a station They will need some kind of fortification that goes directly into the ground Now when you see these sonotubes or caissons, let's go back to it for a second A lot of people will have food for thought and look how to use it against Do these look like basic sized ones that could be for um Like small scale theming like a haunt maze or Definitely not and you can tell right there by the length of them, you know, like what is that? That's maybe some of them are six to eight feet At least so that means that that's going six to eight feet underneath The the ground floor slab of the of the basement of the mountain So that is a fairly deep set footing and anything deep set Is for you know, something structurally substantial that has a lot of weight that needs distribution And there's some smaller ones there too that look like they'd be for Well, that could even be you know for like station footings platform footings other type of mechanical components that they still need Strength and they need to fortify. Yeah, that could even be to fortify parts of the The ground floor. Do you see those massive ones in the back there? But they're like shorter in length but like thick. Yeah, like bertha Yeah, those are definitely like All of this especially since it's in the basement. This isn't for your run of the mill mountain restoration or repair This is for something substantial. Yeah, so This was filmed beginning. Uh, sorry end of september I think a lot of people forgot including myself If you remember before they reinforced the tunnel before those barricades went in and nothing could get in and out For about four months. I filmed construction updates of cars driving in and out Cement truck even I think drove in and out if I'm not mistaken Maybe someone can find the footage and correct me But Hartwell was in there a lot too There was a lot of construction vehicles going in and out and I again I only fly for 45 minutes a day For most parts 45 minutes a day So imagine what the drone didn't capture um So It would it be safe to assume these are probably already done and then they reinforce the tunnel Probably yeah Because you don't want to leave those sitting around for too long right because they can get water damage Especially with what we know about the mountain. Yeah, it floods it and they can deform and you know get water logged How are we in 2024 and these are still like the best quality photos that we can get Okay So this photo by the way caused a lot of problems. See this photo on the screen This was taken at haunt. You're leaving that maze. No, I left a maze. I stuck my phone over This is I remember you taking this video. I was and I got yelled at This is where um What was that? What was that hunt me? He's called They hired they not hired wasn't black out this year The park did not want anyone filming these that they put two Entertainment workers up against the fence and prohibited any guest from taking photos of this So we we were sneaky and do you remember we would like we would distract a worker and I Yeah, but they clued in really quick. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I still took the photo anyways And then I actually got I got upset and then it actually led to some conversations with the park because I was like How am I not able to take a photo over a fence like they have them kind of out there in the open This was the maze Well, I can't remember No, another one remember. Oh, this was the maze that they removed. Yeah for this and it's probably but what What doesn't make sense is the location of these caissons are near the maintenance tunnel But they could have like stored them there. Yeah We don't know like it's a big area down there, right? And we we could only see this and it's dark So we don't know what's back there Oh, yeah, coal was here. It was opening day of how we haunt in 2023 and coal Put his light over and then I took a photo quickly and then someone came over There's nothing to film there. Yes, there is when they say there's nothing that's 100 something there is something. Oh Um, yes pandemonium. Um, but yeah, so Um, I I think your theory is accurate. I think the footings are done. I think they're done and they're gonna build They have no idea. Yeah, and that's why we're not seeing footings In the in the launch tunnel the launch tunnel. Well, the launch tunnel is going to need them because that's ground level Coming out like the outside portion, but not the inside portion where they cut away that wall Yeah, so everything on the inside of that wall is probably already done in the basement um Jake everything okay. Yeah, jake, you okay there, buddy Oh his wi-fi sucks. He probably Um Let's talk about this Yes, okay What's your what's your opinion on this? I I want to pick your brain on this This was very like kind of last minute because the park didn't even announce it in september or october um To be honest, I don't know what the ridership was like I don't know what kind of maintenance it was like, but they were I think it's starting to get outdated and other parks are slowly starting to remove theirs as well And you know It's right there at the front of the park and it was a pretty big plot of land Considering the ride could only do what like 20 people an hour if that Right, like that's taking up valuable real estate, especially for a place like 20 Like five people an hour. How many people fit on it six one of me? No, I think it's three and three. Yeah, so six people can at max 6 12 and they only operate one side Probably literally 18 people an hour So most that's true 15 minute unload and load process the thing goes for five minutes Um, so yeah, it probably just wasn't worth it anymore to the park, especially considering the land that it sits on. Yeah Now, you know, okay, so they scrap this really quickly They they appear to be rushing this so Let's say this is what this is what confuses me So grace we all seen grace's video right hands up in the chat if you've seen grace's video they They tease the mountain construction, right? She said we'll have an announcement in early april about what some of this is some of it She said some of it not all of it. So don't get your hopes up We're not going to get an announcement out of cedar fair in april unless this is some sort of like our open expansion There is a thing because this is what confuses me What is extreme sky flyers plot of land and how is it important? like They're removing it and you know from recent more recent footage that they're about to remove those two giant footings that they could just bury Like they did with the aquarium So They want to remove these giant concrete things Wasn't this a theory we talked about actually? Kind of yeah, so that is up for discussion, but the fly has um They wouldn't need to remove the concrete footings No, but and they have um the fly has survey markings on it, which would mean they wanted it to stay in the map um Which also has me leaning to an alpin coaster by the way because the bats supports for the boomerang part of it have um Survey markings on it shockwave has survey markings on it The fly station and lift hill has survey markings on it and the back of soaring timbers has Survey markings on it. Do you see do you go what i'm saying for storyline going in that direction going out towards antique cars um would be a really good guess for that and That would mean all those rides that they have those survey markings on it at least their original intent Was to keep it what just a little bit of a side step here. What was your 2020? Is it 2021 or 2022 theory about like a wing coaster going in can't not saying this is happening? I don't know or I don't know but you know a wing coaster going there and then like having a turnaround right around there yeah So is the turnaround on the other side of front gate? Yeah. Yeah, so I had that team um What did they call it again? I forget their name right now. Oh my god brain fart the people who design coasters for me And everyone not just me Um, they they actually have a design a an asian dragon themed wing coaster for this section of the park. Yeah Um escape designs. Thank you. Thank you. Um, but uh back on topics. I I kind of like ranted a little too much there um They are in a rush to get this plot of land prepped Which says a lot too. So we're over here arguing that the station being built first and what we're seeing over in elpin With the launch tunnel is really important How can we ignore extreme sky flyers plot of land land prep? And say that this isn't part of the coaster as well or a different coaster or a different project because 2026 flat ride, there's no way they're doing this now for a 2026 flat ride That land is too valuable. So it's it's really confusing. Do you guys? Not see how confusing this project is Like what is your Your brain like I want to pick your brain on this. So you have elpin right now and grace teased only elpin And then you have extreme sky flyer and in the video. She says we're not ready to discuss this project yet for this plot of land But they're ready to discuss elpin a little bit. Is that not weird? You know, there's nothing Saying that This has to be used for 2025 or even like 2026, right? Like what if this is for 30? No, you like 2012 I oh, okay. I personally and I think I don't know what like you were thinking too about Was it the world expo and stuff? But I always personally saw a wing coaster going in that area You're not like okay, maybe kind of like gatekeeper at cedar point, you know, kind of meandering around the front gate Maybe they do some kind of cool interactive design there and then have it come back I thought that this plot of land would be a perfect place for a turnaround or Any large type of element like an emelman or something like that So I still think that You know, this plot of land will be used maybe not necessarily for a wing coaster, but another Major roller coaster I think b&m with those huge support columns and just like one huge or two huge elements there But maybe later on for like 2027 or something Yeah, we are predicting a 2027 coaster as well, but more so the family coaster not like another high thrill coaster Unless you're like we're looking at, you know There's so many different possibilities. Is this a family coaster that we're getting again in elpin? Elpin's a very family area if you look at it, but then so then what about if it's like a dark coaster type thing I had that on my most likely additions the zamprola dark coaster, but Um, again, it looks like most of the coasters can be outside the mountain based off of the current construction Do you so do you think these these two are connected or do you think they're separate? I I keep hip-hopping if you yeah, you asked me a month ago I would have said connected but now after getting rid of the buildings. I say separate So that's really weird though because explaining them being separate doesn't make any sense So because I agree. I do agree. I think they're separate projects But they don't it doesn't make sense to me them being separate I come to think of it being separate because if you look where this is Um relative to where all the other construction is happening If you were to have a coaster launch out of what we think is going to be that launch tunnel Do some stuff around alpin then somehow circle back towards the front gate to that plot of land If you map that out one way that's like three and a half thousand feet So, you know to do everything that roller coaster would almost have to be seven thousand feet long Yeah I mean, maybe it's possible, but I I don't know. I can't That's why I don't think it's that'd be the longest in canada, no Grace said it was an attraction in her video. She didn't say she specifically stated attraction That was replacing extreme sky flyer That's the other part that mined and I will say So everyone got really excited. Let's talk about the smart. This is great. This is actually a good podcast because um people don't like just to Syria can probably back this up. Craig can come back this up. JD can back this up the most Um, how confusing this project is to cover like how much in discord We think we're close to solving the problem And back and forth and then a little bit of information comes out and we're like Well, it makes no sense like that the tunnel The the maintenance tunnel not being a part of the equation in its actual outer area Makes no sense, but could it be coming out of the mountain even though Based off of what you saw today Does anything look going up look plausible either? Well, you can answer too Just in terms of gracing that this area is for an attraction over here this I mean an attraction in the amusement park industry is anything bro It could be literally a new stage and singers like it could be anything So it doesn't mean a ride at all. It could even be a new restaurant new food Anything can be an attraction at a theme park. So let's let you know how you like to eliminate things It's not going to be a restaurant because back lot which is right there Okay, yeah, but back. What's getting a makeover too, which I thought was really interesting if wonderland I swear to goodness. I swear to goodness wonderland if grace worded it a renovation and a makeover If that if I walk into wonderland this season and back lot is still there with its theme. I will I have to be careful with my wording here. I will cry. I will cry Um, just like if I see b&m track pulling into the parking lot, I will hop in that truck and drive it right across back that border And I will chain myself to that truck But if you don't take this opportunity to give us Ginza gardens back It's beautiful Right, this is the opportunity to if they don't take it like if you're already spending a lot of money To do what they're doing because if you look the video, they even remove the light fixtures So that's true. Yeah, it's not some puny renovation. It looks like a full gut so far I we We we were told We heard that it was going to be like lazy bear lodge What uh back lot cafe. Yeah. Yeah In terms of operations like the same setup Well, it works. Yeah, it does and I really hope I'm super excited about that new sous chef You did you see the video? Yeah. Oh I'm so excited about the sous chef. I can't wait to see what she has to offer for like Where did she come from? Did she come from another theater for a park or I don't know They only introduced her in the the black history month video, but Um, just even what I saw like I'm super excited like any sort of she's doing Yeah, I I can't wait because wonderland keeps teasing that they're changing the menu across the park So this is our year. I'm keep going off screen, but I'm so off topic. I'm so sorry So what were we talking about before all that the the connection? Okay, so another thing I want to throw at you guys There's so much information that came our way by the way. So you're a little bit behind Thunder runs old station. They ripped it up, right? Yeah, they've left two buildings Do you know what those buildings are that they left? We're saying they're the power the Yeah transformers the transformers to the ride for the powered coaster ride Does that not look like the perfect portal land for a second launch? A straight away section with the power still there Why would they like would you not just rip that up if it had like How long like have you mapped it out on? Yeah, it's you it's a decent launch. It's like It's very similar to Thing and it could go either under the fly or a top hat over the fly. Think about it that way You know how launch coasters especially intimate starts with that really pathetic launch So let me paint a picture for you guys It launches because it's not a it's not a big straight away coming out of the mountain Does it's little intimate launch the little tees you go through a little corkscrew ish like zero g roll that takes you towards Thunder runs old station and then And you go up a little top hat Do you think it's going to be like pantheon then with the swing launch? I don't think we have room for a spike Like picture it where where would the spike go? Where would all the work to switch the track? Well, I do think we're gonna have switch track. I do Because for capacity reasons they're gonna need some sort of switch I think at some point in the ride it might have a little tease Where it comes back and we go backwards for a little bit. I I even like vultron Yeah, although Mock seems a little out of the budget with what they're already doing, right? Do you think wonderland would spend like 60 million dollars? Oh, no, well, I probably not on the walk I don't anything walk. Yeah, I don't think you can wrap up rack up a bill that can you demonstrate the light Do you want to tell a story about me on pantheon? Oh my god Yeah, you think this guy is his first time ever on any roller coaster And this is a person who's gotten rollbacks on top thrill dragster the original one and we're going on pantheon And it's literally like his first Making noises I turned to suri and I was like, why is it making that noise? I think it's in the POV if you watch my POV reaction I turned to suri. I'm like, why is it making that noise? He's like, it's so hot The guy gets a rollback on dragster and we're going a quarter of that on pantheon and he's there freaking out Like he's never done anything before No mocks aren't 60 million but with the current imagined pot of land based off of things we've seen um And the inside the mountain construction guys You have to re go go back to suri's little definition if they're putting footings in the basement And then drilling this is a big expensive project. It's probably not as expensive as yukon's tunnel, but It's up there. I mean, you never know like it depends how much retrofitting stuff Yeah, cedar fair is not going to be releasing numbers anymore. Nope Um, that's kind of unfortunate But you know depending how much work they actually still have to do in there and like all the retrofitting and and reinforcing They have to do it could very well cost 10 million dollars It could yeah So what were we talking about? Oh, yeah, so now you have so imagine that you launch a little bit out of the mountain You come up do a little head towards thunder and You go Hop head over the fly it takes you into the antique cars and now you're doing your little twists and turns and spike reverse Spike again come back and you head back towards the mountain and then you come in and that new third tunnel On that slight angle of angled brake run, right? Do they angle brake runs normally like that? I know dive coasters do and b&m's do but do Launch coasters angle their brake runs if it had to it. Could it yeah, okay. Yeah, because that's definitely a very Look at cocked. How's whole brake run is down that entire hill? Oh, that's true Or even pantheon like it does that. Oh, it does it comes in. Yeah Because again another fact we can't ignore is the first tunnel is a Trench this new tunnel Is an ever so slight angle? And that is the final form because they've laid down the gravel which they do before forming, right? Uh, yeah Yeah, or could that be to get the excavators? That's probably for the equipment If i'm being honest, well, you just agree that I was but i was gonna correct him I was like, okay. I don't want to crush his hopes. I don't want to crush his hopes Honestly, that's probably for the equipment. Um, okay. Good. It's weird How they're doing the walls first and not any footings, but I mean it's still very easy to auger through Any type of um gravel or or loose soil like that But yeah, they probably put gravel there so they don't disturb any of the native soil on the ground Really? Probably would that be for a reason just picking your brain Yeah, you know to keep the soil intact and stuff, right? So you don't loosen it or disturb it for so when you go and put The footing there. It's like sounds very sensitive Some of us are sensitive Is that what you're talking about? It's a delicately The soil needs to be loved and nurtured Um, then you can build a big strong coaster on it. So I will Based off of everything both of you based off of everything that you saw today that we've seen so far Grace's video What do you think do you think elpin is the location of the coaster? Do you think these tunnels are the location of the coaster? Let me go back to a good Come on. I want to hear it. I want to hear it. I think I'm gonna pick his brain I think frontier is is not done. But like, you know, they've done some investments. They brought back the area They've done their work in that area for now. Yeah, I mean, I still don't understand why actions Owners in the next area to pick but they now picked alpin and I feel like that's just the area They're gonna pick area by area. They're just gonna start investment investment Who's to say next year two years? We don't see actions don't get completely torn up. It is, you know what I mean? Exactly. So I I think alpins for sure that area they want more people There's no reason to be in that area now other than a couple family rides Syria is reading a comment that's triggering Speaking of weak soil We started on that I want to elaborate a little more because I I actually thought I was going to disagree with kregafully But yeah, the park is a hundred percent You'd have to be an idiot to not realize the park's not going from old area to old area and re Bringing back its heritage Still don't understand actions on but we'll get there. It's yeah, it'll come It's world expo the park's already kind of teased that but it's not No, that it's like they're gonna bring world I get it, but it's not It's not a world right now Do you think then because earlier you said it was going to be a market Do you think the new coaster is going to take up this area? I'm not arguing there's going to be or not be a coaster here I'm just saying that there's a lot of money to be played around with and I think a lot of it is going to Be used just to make this area be a lot more pleasant to walk around Oh, well, that's obvious even frontier canada's all it's all pleasant to walk around. Yes. Yeah Elpin makes so much sense and I think a lot of people haven't even clued in that octoberfest Okay, they've thrown it in med fair for the longest time ever And having like an actual elpin themed area To host octoberfest in for actually the month Um, jeez what's going on? It would be amazing But on top of that, um, what was it gonna say? Something about elpin. Oh, I love that the park called it elpin because a lot of people were triggered by me calling it elpin And then it's always been alpin though Elaborate, I don't know. It's just they've mentioned it before even if you watch history videos like the Even if you watch history videos the name of the the areas that alpin was one of the names that the original area was an It was always open to me like when I was my dad. It was alpin. Yeah So That's cool. I I really want to see a nicely themed elpin area um Do you think they would do anything else like a restaurant? I told you what I think I think it's gonna be in the mountain I'm telling you we're getting come on Tell me how awesome that would be to market that you haven't been able to go in there in the last 40 years This and that and now 40 years later. We're opening the doors. You can finally go in the mountain. What's a gm multi launch though? I'm actually curious Gravity or gravity group my butt General motors Disney park Um elpin refresh. Yeah, but I'm excited but again So if you had to pick between two you guys already said that Elpin is going to house the new coaster and not extreme sky flyer Okay, because I'm going to tell you something grace's video actually confuses me because The park said they're going to make some sort of an announcement early april. We've never seen that before And that's what scares me Because they said they're not ready to talk they they she said she's not ready to talk about what's replacing extreme skyfire right now attraction wise But they're ready to talk about the construction some of the construction in elpin So when they say some of the construction could they mean like relocating of buildings and stuff like that So that's what I think. I think it's going to be a really lousy announcement But she said that we're going to be excited about it But when parks say that have you seen like what was it kentucky kingdom was like biggest announcement in history? And everyone thought it was going to be like a crazy like good ride parks do that all time cedar pan points famous for that um So I could totally see grace like I just I just think that like no matter what we're getting a coaster in 2025 That's obvious like we're we're due for a coaster in 2025 But the park is playing around with everyone right now and it's it's up. It's not upsetting me. It's pissing me off It's pissing me off wonderland stop I Okay, first of all, I I definitely think it's a coaster going in the mountain now because like And I'm sorry, but you wouldn't have people walk through a concrete trough To get in the mountain and be a concrete trough. It's going to be nicely themed Great drop again, would you have a photo? Do we have a photo? We do we do we do show the show in the trough He is right though, this was concrete walls and then look what they do exactly so screw you guys Oh, it can they can make this you can't see the mouse. Oh my god They can make the side of the walls on this photo right here these Oh my god this can just be covered in the paper mache that they cover the side of the mountain and normally Whatever it's covered in and it would look just like a mountain. It's a beautiful walkway Same with on the inside. Well, you don't understand. They got to make a concrete wall if they've got to put a roller coaster Anyway, they got to make the stupid concrete wall, but you're alluding to you knowing too much right now You put the stupid concrete wall right right and then guess what you cover it with paper mache It looks like a mountain and now it's how do you know, it's not already in there krega He's right about that too Who says it can't be both Oh What in the roller coaster tycoon 2 you like the coaster We come out alive, but we get like knocked across half the park You discount on any merch. I don't know. There's a lot of space in that mountain. It's a big building And at the end of the day, it's it's a big warehouse that's covered in paper mache You can put whatever you want in that this is actually just wonderland's new jail for the the uh Volunteer is oh good It's for sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'll go there too. We can have a party um but A moving walkway. It's an aquarium the parks building aquarium They're bringing the dolphin show back. We have ripples The dolphin show never left you guys have been going for how many years to win? You're so funny. I know but again, we can't ignore the casings case on Do you guys you guys have no idea you guys have no idea and I don't want to lude to too much But we met with some people from wonderland or someone from wonderland. We won't say who and It almost seemed like they were enjoying how difficult this project was to figure out I'm so confused I am so confused right now. It's not even funny the meeting. Yeah. Yeah, just It was funny because this project's confusing to figure out. Yes, and the park's enjoying it Do they know what it is they do I know nobody knows they have no clue They're just letting these construction workers build and see what they're gonna finish um But someone I saw someone in chat say this well, sorry, we'll wrap up the stream shortly But I saw someone in the stream say this They might be looking to an early announcement because tracks gonna arrive soon and then they may be one It's obvious. Yeah, maybe this is a new cedar fair tactic They did tease top drill two a year before too, didn't they new formula for thrill New teasing top drill two for ages. Yeah, so maybe they're gonna start doing that too Like if it is wonderland's biggest investment, right? And I mean it's pretty obvious when I go there and there's that huge Freaking footing like just in the ground in the middle of the pathway Then it's like, oh, yeah, that's obviously not for a drink stand. Yeah, when did top drill one close Yeah No, no, no, why when what year 2021? Did they not that they already announced in 2021 that it was going to be closed for the remainder of the year, right? Did they not at the end 2022 they said it would be closed 2021 closed for remainder of the year 2022 closed for the season and in september of 2022 I think or or august they announced that it would be forever closed I could have swore they wrote somewhere that it was going to be for future but right at the beginning Was it not the beginning of 2022 that they said it's it's not opening the season and talk through He would know of all people though. I wouldn't yeah, they they announced midway through 2022 I'm saying right at the beginning. Didn't they kind of hint at it that it wasn't that's already going to be closed and redone Or no, all they said was it was going to be closed for all of 2022. Oh, okay How do you know it's their biggest investment? Um It's just a good assumption based on one inflation that again So the when you're seeing the coaster Inflation actually would push it over that too. That is an that is a fit that a statement to unfairly push Yeah, and when you're seeing it done, look at look how early this is Earliness its location is a key thing. It's taking up a very like important part um, and I just I have a gut feeling and I my gut feelings are usually somewhat correct somewhat correct Remember how long have I been predicting a 2025 coaster and then you came and verified it remember that I remember that day So I've been predicting a 2025 coaster for like three years and then syria came to me with some Concrete evidence of it happening and that was when we were just like because we our podcast last year we were We were already talking about this Yeah That we know you were team wing launch and I was team not zampurla back then it was like intimate or something Yeah, I think it was like mafric or um, oh a mock or yeah something mock spinner extreme spinner Um, but yeah, we're not going to do a hangout stream just because obviously like Yeah, just like krigga wants to get home for obvious reasons. Yeah and stuff, right? I need to get home Yeah, this has already gone on a little longer, but um, yeah Do you guys have any questions for like syria hasn't been around in a while? That sounded like shade it wasn't My hairline is getting worse I think it's gonna be a launch. No, okay. So let's let's talk about that for a quick second Wing coaster and invert any possibility. I would say no If it's going in this mountain Impossible, correct. I'm team invert until I see track wing coaster. Yeah Unless you're gonna smash into everything Um Flying coaster can't operate in rain. So I can't see the park ever buying a bnm flying coaster I don't even know when when was the last flying coaster bnm made. I think it was something in japan Vakoma flyer. I would assume that that can't operate in rain either Is that the reason why they built it kind of enclosed at um, yeah, they don't build those because the problem with flying coasters Is their mechanics are exposed, right? That's what I I heard. I think i'll tour ryan did a video on I don't know too much about flying coasters to be honest Yeah 2022 says jake, but yeah, it is getting really easy to rule out a lot of models. Um, I like what josh said cc mini or cc mini kid Um about adopting a chaperone policy. That's one thing at carowinds now has a permanent chaperone policy But so I thought we had got a concrete answer I know but didn't we get a concrete answer that wonderland wasn't ever going to do that? Landward. Yeah Um They do they need to get ready for one person showing up at the beginning of the season Do you want to sing the rap? I can't swear Yeah, just sing the beginning. Hmm. Yeah, I don't even know the words. No, no, no. That's so unprofessional We're better than that now. We're somewhat better than I know we're trying It was surya You have a lot of money to be hiring all those people I'm the one funding this project Surya actually sponsored this podcast. It's true Um, can you guys do a meet and greet? Probably We've we've had bad we've had bad experiences I once did a meet and greet or tried to do a meet and greet a very long time ago And they all ran out of line because it got out of hand. I literally so much ran. I ran And I was there like oh my god Brendan why does craig it look like Justin Bieber? What happened to Justin Bieber? You look like Justin Bieber got hit by a truck. I'm kidding. I'm so confused. That's an insult You kind of do look like Justin Bieber to be honest on the camera The new Justin Bieber, by the way, you should look him up. You kind of do look like him a little more tanned but Um, any last questions is the parking thing being updated like any signs I don't think anything's happening in the parking lot, but the park The park the amount of money you're seeing funneled into the park right now. Is it not insane? Yeah, it's a lot like insane but Oh, okay Someone got lining up next to you are behind you at haunt. I saw you guys at least very much We're there a lot Sometimes we rope drop That's a winterfest thing strictly winterfest I'm pretty sure we did it at haunt. We probably have done it at haunt Um, but yeah, thanks for joining. It was an emergency stream just because we wanted to Correct some information that we learned about the maintenance tunnel Um, and then kind of just explain what you're seeing on the screen with this tunnel what See you next year I'll see all in eight months No, no That's calm down He's here. Is he not I'm here. Yeah, I'm here. Am I the only one that ever boosts your confidence? But yeah, okay, so thank you for coming. Thank you for being here krega too. Yes, this was the krega being here was like Yeah, we're here. We're here, but yeah, we're gonna end the stream just so krega can go home um, and yeah, stay tuned for some pretty cool construction updates and Yeah, we're what two weeks away three weeks away from the park possibly teasing a little bit, but yeah Is that all would you guys want to end it end it? They do it in krega form and a krega. What does that even mean? I don't know Thank you everyone for the support Towards all of us. You know what everybody everybody before we leave comment in the chat come back surya Just so we make sure he comes back next week Let's just get a couple come back suryas and the chat just so surya realizes that he is more than wanted Oh, wow. Look at the chat already Oh, i'm gonna start crying. Lock lock Join the discord server. No, don't do that. You don't want to you don't want to do that Lock lock look at you see How's her name green? How did that even happen? She pays that's awesome. I want a green name Yeah, look see you in 2050 that one is the accurate one easy on surya right now Thanks for joining everyone take care guys and see you in tomorrow's construction update that was supposed to be posted today and it didn't All right, have a good one guys