 was responsible for the capture of any dozens of al-Qaeda, quote unquote, fighters. Most of them were children. They had no hopes of a job. These guys were not born terrorists. They weren't ideologues who ran to al-Qaeda. They went there just because they were desperate. I know several of the officers who were involved in the torture program. Not only were they not punished, they were all promoted. That program had exactly the opposite effect of what it was supposed to have done. It turned people against us. It reduced us to the level of the people that we were trying to fight. The CIA actively seeks to hire people who have sociopathic tendencies. We've got a Democratic president surrounding himself with those same sociopaths who had served the last president.