 today on the show we're going to be taking this apart the KK's priest new album as I just said it was just just released just just released you know what was it Friday and it's it's very polarizing in a sense where you have one group of Judas Priest hardcore fans you know name it saying this is not what I like and then you have another group of priests fans and KK's fans and Ripper fans saying they love it this is the best thing ever so let's just talk about it let's break it down I'll ask each one of you guys questions at the end we could sort of give a brief little summary and we might have a quick little guest jump on for five minutes all right man is K man coming on K man's not coming on we should be K man's there should be KK's priest and K man's priest all right guys I'm gonna start off with this all right I'm gonna go parent what do you think about the artwork just just in general as what do you what do you think I like the artwork the artwork's okay I mean you know we've kind of seen the horsemen of the apocalypse on the horse kind of before so I mean it kind of still reminds me of like Saxon in a way and Grim Reaper in a way you know it's like it's not it's not no cheesy little artwork here this is a very well-defined picture here right it's nice it's nice it's it's very heavy metal it's very heavy metal yeah all right Josh what do you think about the artwork nothing wrong with it but I think they've missed a bit of a marketing opportunity here that and they may not want to do this but look at those 80s priest album covers like Screaming Preventions Defenders of the Faith turbo you know that sort of style so I always missed that style I think they're all done by the same artist actually to recreate something iconic and emblem and like an emblem like that would have been really cool but that's just me there's nothing wrong with it there's nothing wrong with it so what do you think look I cannot deny that it's well done that it's okay they you know now with computers and everything can make some really really nice artwork my issue with the cover is the same issue I have with the rest of the album well we're not gonna go into that we're just talking about just the cover now in general just go ahead a nice imitation of Judas Priest classic cover I wish it was I wish it was I wish it was more of an imitation if you want if you want to compare like quickly right you know just a little bit of the covers I like jugulator but I I will never understand why they used a close-up of jugulator 10 rather than the full I mean look at Ramadown I mean Ramadown yeah it's a beautiful cover it's not a Judas Priest album why does he use Judas Priest iconography when you buy a Bruce Dickinson solo album or a Dennis Tratton solo album or whatever solo album and you see somebody putting using the the graphics of the Aaron major name the first thing you would say is oh what a ripoff that's the problem I have beautiful all right all right not so which so to me I'm look this is the logo you're talking about in this logo is that what you're saying this sort of I don't even I don't even know what he's saying because which I don't know which priest cover is it even ripping off how many album covers they have for the Grim Reaper none my god don't you understand that this is a style a lettering everything to make you think it's a Judas Priest record look it just says they're free I don't I don't think they want I don't think he wants is he allowed to use KK I mean he's allowed to use priest I mean he's in KK's priest that's another I don't think you think it's a Judas Priest record I think KK is so insecure he wants to make sure he wants to make sure everyone remembers hey I was in Judas Priest everybody I was in Judas Priest they won't let me back in yeah you go around telling everyone who listened that you're on the metal voice so isn't that the same thing the metal voice is like a badge of honor man I wear that badge of honor right here I fly the flag probably well then I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure KK is very proud of his contributions to one of the best metal bands as far as I know I haven't quit the metal voice and I haven't then done an about face begging to get back in of Jimmy not letting me parents voice guys guys I think KK's priest it's it's sort of K hi I'm KK and you know I'm half of Judas Priest or one-third of Judas Priest and I think that one she's nothing wrong one fifth come on one fifth what do you know you got Rob you got Glenn and you got you know KK as a legacy I mean as a legacy as a song writer he clearly wasn't the creative force that's for sure all right so now that we've discussed I personally I love this to me this is pure heavy metal and this is exactly what I want to see on my metal heavy metal record look at that though the one horseman right there it is yeah exactly all right Stefan if during when Ripper was in the band okay yeah if they would have released this album instead of this album jugulator which a lot you know it's very polarizing as well do you think they would have had more success this type of album versus this type of album what do you think I don't think so Judas Priest with Ripper was essentially a glorified cover band as far as I'm concerned you know how much I used to love how much I love using the word cover band they hired a guy who sounded as much as he could to Rob Alford and they released you know a couple of albums this one is sort of a watered-down version of Judas Priest without without the rest of the guys and look we will be able to get to the music very shortly I do think it's it's a good heavy metal record but please spare me the Judas Priest comparison oh as good as such and such album from okay but I mean you know like again what I'm saying is if Ripper and I'll speak to Giles on this if if Ripper would have come this is more of a down tuned album more of an industrial album whereas this is more of a you know a regular tuning album more upbeat now Giles if this album would have been released instead of this one do you think they would have had a lot more headway back in the day like they would have not no but that's not to do the music Prince couldn't sell a record in the 90s I mean you know it's it jugulate is an awesome album is it lacking a couple of more classic sounding pre-songs yes but it's an awesome album I loved it so much I actually had a jugulator party when it came out and I invited my friends and we listened to the album like 13 times until we got so burned out on it we just had to put on something else after a while but man we had a jugulator party they're both great records yeah alright parin okay so demolition and jugulator are sort of like twins in a sense right in the same style of music but what if Ripper was around for one more album and this came out you know right when Angel of Retribution was sort of like a little later on but this would this have been a bigger mark for the band with Ripper would they have gotten more momentum because again like like Jaws was saying they could have released the greatest heavy metal album back in the day but it wouldn't have picked up any steam would this album have made a difference for Ripper back in the day no I mean look unfortunately again it was just a rough time for heavy metal well just like people weren't having a motley crew without Vince Neil and people weren't completely having an Iron Maiden without Bruce Dickinson people weren't having with the masses I mean having a Judas Priest without Rob Halford and it's too bad because I kind of you know jugulator and and demolition are not my favorite Judas Priest albums not by a long shot but they're good workman-like albums that actually deserve a little more of a legacy and credit than they get and that would have just been the next one I actually like jugulator demolition better than this record because I feel like they're more varied like you talk about demolition I love the song Hell is Home and I think that's a great example of the different things that Ripper could do with his voice and I wish he would get more of an opportunity to do that kind of material on a KK's Priest album so I find the KK's Priest albums both of them a little one-dimensional and even though that's the knock people have on jugulator demolition I think if they would listen to those albums of an open mind they would find that they're a little bit more varied and they might think they are so I agree with you I agree with you this is for for for me this is one of the greatest Judas Priest albums right here I'm not saying that but I'm saying that but it and everybody who knows me knows I love this this knows that I love demolition as well and jugulator and you know what and I will say it's absolutely shameful that Judas Priest act as if those two albums don't exist without they won't play a song live as made in will with the blaze albums and in terms of just the availability of them on streaming services or just in general is very very poor and I completely support him Tim sells defend jugulator shirts on his website and one of these days I'm getting one of those shirts because yeah if the shipping wasn't so much to Canada I probably get one all right let's we all love demolition Stefan okay let's talk about just I know I just say my word all right go ahead go ahead I view that the albums made with a ripper to be stop gaps in priests career they had to keep the band together after losing its most potent element Rob Alford I'm sorry for me Rob Alford is the beginning and the end of Judas Priest there's nothing in between and I understand you know they were sort of like caught like Aaron Maiden one-day-loss Bruce as we don't want to stop we need a singer Maiden was smart enough to hire a different kind of singer priests chose to hire a sound the light fine their choice but you have to understand that Judas Priest made its name and its sound with very crafty dual guitar heavy metal in the late 70s and early 80s that was their creative peak and during the 90s the sound with oh I mean the the sound with Owen was it's like okay what's trendy and heavy metal now so we can stay on the road people like it fast mean and they've always done that Stefan they've always done like Priest has always done that yeah well it doesn't make it right and I felt that this album in particular was you know a stop gap period in their career they're too early to read they're too young to retire they want to keep playing we need a singer why should we change name let's continue with this guy with the understanding it's a different band and the sound was different the music was different and that is that but to to say that they belong wholeheartedly in the Judas Priest discography okay for the diehards I I too find it shameful that the band will not give them proper recognition or let alone you know provide the materials so diehards can still listen to them but ultimately the band's career set the band's career after Rob return they said these were stop gap records they do not belong in our discography at least not with me you know Bruce Dickinson may enjoy singing blaze songs and thank God Paul songs but you know Rob Alford Judas Priest felt differently I did not like those two records enough to miss them either live or on record this is these are not albums I listen to at home and it's not very often unless I have to be on this show and I listen to them regularly actually I know Giles does too there's right up there's so many rock metal you know power metal trash metal speed metal music out there that I can certainly do without so have enough material to listen to so Giles okay let's go off of what Stefan said it's not really Judas Priest if Tim Ripper's there but if Richie Faulkner's there replacing KK suddenly it's Judas Priest if right I mean that's what you're saying you're saying that I think people I think what happens is people get way too hung up on the singer it's just it it goes back to the days of the you know the 50s and 60s when the singer was kind of the it was you know it was Frankie in the knockouts you know it was Joey in the shitheads or whatever it was always like the singer and the guys in the back where his heavy metals a little bit different you tell me that Glenn Tipton and KK Downing were not the guys that provided the music last time I checked Rob Helford wasn't like an amazing guitar player he wasn't coming up with the riffs and he wasn't coming up with the league guitar solos the melodies and things like that amazing amazing singer great vocal melodies great songwriter in his own right but you can't just take the singer and then everyone else is insignificant singers can be replaced guitar players can be replaced everyone could be replaced well where the songs are coming from yeah well the only guy who hasn't been replaced in Judas Priest is is the bass player no disrespect I'm out I'm out if even he'll go I mean let's let's I think people get a little too emotionally involved as well let's by this logic then the Iron Maiden with Bruce Dickinson is a cover band guess what cover bands don't have cover bands and cover bands and tribute acts don't have members that were part of the real band at any point I mean to get even more technical he is one of the founding members of or a co-founding members KK I mean he was there right from the beginning I mean with Al Atkins correct well I mean he has to me he doesn't have a right to use Judas Priest going out as Judas Priest but I think he has a right saying it's KK's priest it's tying the legacy with with with the present but let's talk about the music because I think we're just kind of going off track right yeah okay when you listen to this out more of the songs I really stood out for you let's not go through all the songs but one of the songs that you said you know what this is a great album so I will say so the songs that I like better because I feel the album is a little too same-same so the songs I like the best are the ones where Tim isn't singing high but he's singing kind of lower where there's not kind of pain killerish like solos but there's something different and there's more riffing happening so my favorite song is the second song of the record strike of the viper for the reason I said opening riff great opening riff ripper singing a bit lower and he's not doing that thing like he does all the time and different and I also like when they slow it down I kind of like the last song wash away the sins on the record is something what wash away your sins sorry is something I like and actually the opening track sons of the sentinel I didn't love the opening of the verses but once they get to the chorus where there's a really good riff and I guess that sums it up for me I like the more riff oriented stuff not I want to ask I'm not the fan now but I want to say something to what you said I think very important I think AJ Mills the guitarist and KK are absolutely what a team like what a fantastic team what do you think about what were some of your highlights there Stefan before we get into your negatives wash away your sins for me is the better track because maybe because it sounds like like genuine early days Judas Priest but yeah him 66 I thought was pretty crazy song extremely crazy song but this is one I played on repeat a couple of times because I was ah you know it has this grinder vocal sound without necessarily trying to be speed metal and and and I recognized a lot of the metal I like you know you're gonna laugh but as much as I like to dismiss KK's priest this musically is a good album that's good tracks I think as a whole it holds together and certainly much better than his previous album but again what it is missing is originality that is it that is it that is it but look ah my the one that I thought you know usually when I progress towards the end of a record I tend to think that they keep the worst songs for the end not in this case you want to listen to it right up until the end pledge your souls and wash away your sins they're they're they're the gems at the end of the record as far as I'm concerned all right so Giles let's talk about the voice Tim Ripper always as the singer on this album what you're a vocalist a vocalist extraordinaire um what do you think about the vocals just for the whole album then on this new album really good uh I noticed he's doing some different stuff as well like if you listen to Sons of the Sentinel the verses it's a little rougher a little raspier in places I think there's definitely been a whether it was a conscious effort or just the way the tunes kind of led them uh there is definitely some variation on this I'm always down for listening to Tim I you know I just I grab everything he's on I think he's just a really cool singer really really really good singer um are you asking me what my favorite songs are yeah go with your favorite songs go ahead uh I know you don't have your I don't you want to name them for you or yeah help me out because I haven't memorized Sons of the Sentinel I know you don't have in front of you yes I love the Viper yep uh reap the worldwind uh yeah that's cool but the next one I love it was the first one one more shot one more shot of glory that's that's awesome there's a there's almost like a black metal kind of riff in there I I love that that section there that's really cool with a double kick uh I really like it and what's the song after the song comes next time six six time six no no the next one the center rides again the center yeah the one after that keep the keeper of the graves braves yeah keeper of the graves man that is that is a serious tune the only I mean I love both the records I love the first one I thought the first one was killer I think this one's killer the only thing I'm this one's definitely a darker record there's no brothers of the road there's no kind of you know I think it needs just like at least one of them just to kind of lighten it up a touch it's definitely a darker a darker heavier record which may suit some people better I wish there was just like a like I said a tune like brothers of the road or whatever just a a bit more kind of single long kind of anthemic metal tune just to break it up a touch but that's a real small complaint so I think this new album is absolutely killer really good you know I agree with you I think that there's only one track that I'm not really crazy about is pledge your souls but I think I highlighted every single song saying I like it it's upbeat it's fresh it's got a great production the fucking killer guitars killer drums and the vocals are amazing but parent okay I know what would you have changed incredible guitar playing on this record so incredible what would you have changed parent I know that you're not the biggest fan of this album but what would you have changed yeah look I think that KK thinks that everybody's favorite Judas Priest album is painkiller and if your favorite album is painkiller uh you're gonna love this because it's it's very very fast uh in the in the way painkillers for the most part very very fast but for a lot of people myself including myself included painkillers only like my 10th favorite Judas Priest album you know some people put it on a pedestal I like british steel and screaming for vengeance and and defenders and sin after sin and sad wins a destiny and yes even turbo better uh wow so so I so I think that's a mistake on KK's part so I'd like to see this album be more varied I'd like to see a song more like a touch of evil uh if we're talking the ripper stuff I'd like to hear a song more like hell is home or blood stain so look as much as I like heavy metal this album is too fast and too heavy for me it's it's not varied enough I would like to see and that for me if we need to compare KK's priest to Judas Priest I say game set and match Judas Priest in most cases because there's a better flow to the records where is this thing just bludgeoning you to death and some people are gonna say yeah man I love heavy metal I want to be bludgeoned to death for 40 minutes no honestly no no no word of a lie this is only 40 minutes long nine songs I have to stop after four or five songs 20 minutes in walk away for five or ten minutes and then come back to it because it was just too much it was just too much too much metal too much metal for you just couldn't stand it okay hey I have a lot hey I have a lot yeah if I can if I can I'm gonna bring Laura Ann okay on as well because I know she's a huge supporter of KK's priest and she always out there I'm gonna bring her on you say point state your point there Stefan as I bring her on okay go ahead I think uh Perrin has essentially said it best uh you know KK priest is a band made up of talented people who can write songs sure and perform and well reported but ultimately KK I completely agree he said what is popular among Die Hard priest fans oh they like it hard mean and fast let's do a hard mean and fast album you know my favorite albums you know they're the later they're the stained glass and sin after sin and it's you know hell bent for letter these are my favorite priest records if you're going to look at the past to try to create something original I think they should have returned to their roots I think KK should have returned to his roots rather than than inspire himself from Latter-day Judas Priest one more thing I want to say about the songs okay sons of the sentinel the sinner writes again read the whirlwind come on he's copying old Judas Priest songs names to make it sound like the real thing the return of the sentinel the sinner writes again oh remember we had a song called sinner like please please please all right all right so so I brought in Loran because I know she's you know a huge supporter of KK's priest and always out there and you know supporting the band you know I thought okay you've heard everybody discuss this right I'll let you have a couple of minutes here everybody wants you to see her Loran hi Loran what do you think what do you think of all these comments what do you think of all these comments right off the bat what do you think I mean are you taking notes here what do you think I have a lot of notes it's been it's been quite a ride since since the album came out on Friday it's been crazy I'm on Instagram is KK downing all day you know I run that we have about 10,000 followers and you know I think KK is the sinner right that that's been I think kind of his alter ego since he's been with Judas Priest so I you know I think giving a nod to his history with the band is important but I don't think in any way shape or form there's there's any you know copying or covering going on with with any of his albums he's telling a story right and I think if you look at the lyrics however you want to say they are you know I think this is coming from him and he's telling his story and one album runs into the other album that's a very important note actually that's something we missed there is a concept that he had put in place absolutely you know you've got Dimas I don't think he's Dimas I think he's the sinner that alter ego thing and you know with um with Sentinel I think that's a continuation also because the end of that video right from sermons is very sad I mean you know you kind of cry at the end thinking oh my god it's it's over but then here we are you know with the next album he's you know reprising it again so you know I think he has the right you know he was a priest for years and there are going to be touches of his former band it's in him so I think if you listen to the lyrics there's a lot of undertones there I've only listened to it a couple of times since Friday I've got to dig in a little bit more but that's kind of what I'm getting from it and listening to his interviews and you know his descriptions on you know what his thoughts were you know while he was writing it's it's you know it's unmistakable who he is it's it's a perfectly defensible point of view I agree with you it's yeah it's his identity but like I said I still think that it could have been a KK Downing album you know a KK Downing material KK Downing solo record it is it is his material he wrote it over Christmas no I'm not questioning it it's his material trying to sound like Judas Priest but what a second he is one-third of Judas Priest anyways I mean I don't think that's yeah I don't think that at all I don't I don't think I'm sorry to interrupt I don't think he's trying to sound like Judas Priest he was with Judas Priest for 40 years that sound is always going to be in him you can't erase that at all so that's a good point that's a good point because if Rob if Rob if Rob Halford goes and does a solo record it's an element of that sounds like Judas Priest why of course Rob is always going to sound like Rob I remember when I remember when Slash did the snake pit album and people went oh you know you sound a little bit like Guns and Roses he goes no he is part of the Guns and Roses sound is me that's what you're hearing when I step out of that it's still my sound so you're exactly you're exactly right with same thing like that's a great reference because if you close your eyes you know that it's Slash playing you close your eyes you know it's KK Downing playing he's got that distinct sound that's going to carry with him no matter what he does and you go ahead I was going to say you know I don't begrudge KK for being KK there's absolutely no doubt that a lot of this is in him and it flows out naturally but one of the things I loved about Judas Priest is that they were many things yes they were painkiller but they were also desert plains they were also before the dawn that was my era yeah you know from turbo and so I would just like to see more of of what Judas Priest was in this okay so so in other words you don't want him to be Judas Priest but you want him to be more like Judas Priest like I don't understand that concept I've never said I don't want us to be like Judas Priest maybe that's Stefan's point but my point is this album is too hard too fast too heavy too much of one thing Judas Priest I do I do kind of get I do kind of get what parents say and to a point I would love it if there was a desert plains on this record just to break it up a little bit I would love it if there was a living after midnight but there ain't and what we have is still awesome but no that's a point seven on ten for me George that's why it's a mediocre album for me and not a great album and if you have these same heavy songs with two or three things to give it a bit more variety then that would probably take it to another level that's a fair comment yeah I think it's a contender for metal album of the year I think it is yeah here's the big question to Stefan here's the big question to Stefan KK comes to town would you go see KK Spreese live yeah oh yeah oh yeah uh as a teenager uh KK and uh Glenn had a major influence on me even though I never touched a guitar in my life to play it but my first Judas Priest concert 1982 I think the the uh screaming for vegans tour seeing this guy live uh is something else he he's the real deal when it comes to metal it's too bad I'll never see uh we'll never see Glenn and KK do their jewel thing on stage for for a lot of reasons not the least uh Glenn's illness it's too bad but when these two were moving on stage I'm sorry they took the crown even I I thought it were even more impressive than I made it and I missed that I find that the new version of Judas Priest they still try to do it but it's not the same I would like to see KK I've never seen Ripper live would I have gone to see Judas Priest with Ripper even though I was not into their albums yeah I would have gone but then again we'll see every heavy metal concert Charles Charles I I know it's a no-brainer here would you see KK live would you be excited I've seen KK live I I love I love KK's priest I love KK if KK wanted to like kick me in the nuts just because he thought it would be funny I would let him do it because he's so awesome I love KK and I love KK's priest absolutely and I think what would excite me about KK's priest yeah I just want to say something Stefan I think what would excite me about seeing KK's priest is not only are you getting the classic Judas Priest songs not are you getting some great songs that they've done on their two albums that really go over live well but you're getting the Ripper era songs too that they're not being played by Judas Priest so you're getting a really huge treat okay Perrin would you go see KK's priest I know your ad is going to be but go ahead absolutely you know anything I'm saying here is this my personal taste and constructive criticism coming from me but look I've seen pretty much every version of priest I've seen them with the late Dave Holland I've seen them with Scott Travis I saw priest with Ripper and I saw priest but obviously with Hallford I've seen Rob on his own in various incarnations and I I love kind of offshoots and generations of bands it's interesting so I'd love to hear some of these songs in a live setting and in a Friday night after a couple beers I'm gonna want to be bludgeoned to death and at the same time they're probably gonna they're gonna play some priest stuff I wish he would you know I loved Ripper's version of of God I'm blanking Joan Baez I loved I love Ripper's version of Diamond and Rust I know when they're doing playing live they're playing a lot of the painkiller stuff I wish they dropped the painkiller stuff because we have enough of that type of material I'd love to see go back to doing some of the things they were doing when Ripper was in priest because when I for me one of probably the definitive version of Diamonds and Rust might be with Ripper doing it on the live 98 meltdown record it's fantastic so I will absolutely speed this bad and there we go so we have a consensus here Laura let me ask you I want to add something I want to add something yes all the people for all the people talking about the lyrics saying the lyrics are referencing old priest songs well these are the same people that have got every single one of these people has got a copy of Helford's Resurrection how many damn references are in that even his own references exactly he even references fight I walked alone into a fight on the song Made in Hell then check out the album uh what's that what's the record that he did with priest Helford when Helford came back what was that help me out angel of retribution retribution yeah angel of retribution they're like they've self-referenced on almost every damn song there's nothing wrong with that it's not a big deal get over it KK can do it too so does Judas Priest and so does Helford it's awesome it continues the story like she said and you know we keep forgetting that it is a story and that's why you're hearing so many references throughout the the two albums that he's done so we have to keep that in mind tell me about the band Laura and tell me about all the members of drums guitar just tell me about that oh my god I mean I think they're really like those guys but yeah I mean they're a really cohesive band they work so well together you know you've got Ripper whose vocals are so raw now especially on this album I was like whoa you know I gotta turn my buds down but I mean he has really developed his voice to a totally different level and I think the change in that is because I he recorded a lot of the vocals from home he didn't do it with the band so I think he was laser focused on his sound and his delivery and I mean you know you've got KK and AJ I mean I just think that they're magic together you know they really feed so well off of each other you've got Tony Newton on bass I mean a bass player that moves around the stage you know he's really got a lot of energy and what could I say Sean Elge look at him in that video one more shot stands up at the drums and pounds it like he really took over so I think everybody is just working themselves to their best abilities and like I just said I think this is a contender for Metal Album of the Year and I'm sorry I wasn't super clear you're running the you're running the Instagram or the website or it's my it's my Instagram page it's KK Downing all day so you're flying the flag for you're flying the flag for KK's Priest and KK yeah I mean I've been a fan I've been a fan since I'm 14 years old so you know Judas Priest I went to my first concert here in 81 at the Palladium when Arjen Maiden opened for them so you know I read KK's book I was very inspired and one day just on a whim I decided to open up an Instagram account in his honor I think what we need to do here is I think we need to congratulate you on doing an awesome job for flying the flag you're doing God's work you're keeping the KK's Priest flag flying proud the metal flag flying proud you're doing a wonderful thing please keep doing thank you I will thank you I do agree I did not realize you were my age I thought you were my daughter's age but uh yeah I think fans like you die hard fans like you are needed to keep the legacy of bands and sub bands alive and I thank you for it here's an anecdote for you 1981 uh I had a group of friends who went to see Arjen Maiden Judas Priest uh Judas Priest but Arjen Maiden opening at Madison Square Garden I was 14 years old and my parents said no you're not going with older guys to New York City back when I snuck I snuck it was the Palladium in 81 yeah they play that yeah okay and then I uh so when did they play Madison Square Garden it was after I think it was the following year okay the garden yeah the following year my friends went I stayed behind and then my friends in front of Madison Square Garden New York City back then it was badass city they went to a uh a scalper to uh to upgrade their tickets right and the scalper goes yeah sure sure come over here come over here in the alley we'll do the transaction scalper takes out a gun give me your tickets give me your money yeah it's crazy unfortunately that's still happening here that's nice guys on that note there it is there's the album go pick it up you heard we tore it apart we dissected it we got every angle on it and now you can make up your own mind you know after all our opinions are varied opinions Loran thanks for jumping on guys it's been a pleasure and the funny thing if I can say is that as much as I trashed it I know for a fact that I'll be listening to it over and over and we'll go to his concert there you go there you go what are you gonna do a metal head and heart what are you gonna do it's great on my earbuds at the gym I'm really it's I've been riding my bike listening to it you know the pace is amazing my bike listening to it it kicks us it really does it and you know just you know just and I don't think one is album is better than the other I just think it's a continuation and they definitely went heavier this time and there's a reason for it and I think that's a question for KK and as Jarl said they both a Judas Priest and KK's priests can exist parallel to each other and it's not big absolutely both bands can exist I think people just need to you know have an open mind listen to both and thank you know thank both bands for you know flying the flag and keeping it going because you know they could have just easily retired and went off into the sunset no but they're in the studios and they're touring and they're playing on stage and that's exactly right a lot of people a lot of people it seems like we're in this culture now where everything these bands do these older bands every move they make there's people complaining about it so my answer to that is my answer to that is well don't worry because in 10 years all these bands will be gone and you won't have anything to complain about you know what I mean right you know it's like let's celebrate them while we've got them every great album exactly every album that comes out from a KK or a Judas Priest or an Iron Maiden it's a bonus at this point we're lucky to have them still enjoy and stay away from the clip all right guys have yourself a wonderful sunday thanks for all the you too thanks for having me hey it was great talking to you and I love hearing your memories of the early days because oh my god there's so many you and I are the oldest on this panel today oh god I'm about to run out of battery I'll catch my grandfather okay see you guys