 It's really exciting now. Four years ago, this started off as being just this little nothing of a thing. Two years later, it started growing and growing and growing and growing. People started becoming more aware of what was going on. The third year it got bigger and bigger. And last year, we started thinking, how can we get more people to come here? Because we've opened local poets. And we wanted to see what it would be like to have some people come out of town. So we wrote a grant from the New York State Council on the Arts. They gave us some funds. And now we're really excited because on this fourth year, we're going to be bringing people in from all over the country. And the first one, I'm not going to explain or introduce. I don't know. I don't have a mind right now. First of all, we'd like to thank the New York State Council on the Arts for giving us the funds for our Deaf Poetry series. It's a very valuable contribution. We'd like to thank writers and books for allowing us to use this space for the last few years. We'd like to thank Jim Cohen, who's a hearing poet, who saw the possibilities of Deaf poetry in Rochester. And he kind of gave us the start. So we'd like to dedicate to him. I think he wasn't here because she took over some interpreting duties for Susan Quinlan so that Susan could meet with our poet this evening. And she took over some kind of an engineering class herself before I'll shut up. Voicing tonight will be Susan Quinlan. Did I spell that right? And for the Cold Sea, it will be Marie Bernard. And now the person who will introduce will be Robert Panera. He's been teaching at NTID. He was the first Deaf teacher in the area to English and drum and all kinds of things. He's really been into it for a long time. And he was a poet and Gala deaf and good friends with models from a long time. So we'd like to have him introduce. I thought, remind me of the crystal ball. Gag is a young word. It has the whole future of force. Yeah, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh. I think very amusing what happened to you in the future. So for a reason. I had a hard time book reading my new papers often. He's a person who was going to speak. Oh, I forgot how many years ago, but famous poet. Two days. We had a one-for-work spot. What was the student? And he brought him to the road faster. And a one-for-experience with him. The future of deaf poets and him. Put together. And again, the next day, he came here to speak. I couldn't match it. Half of it went before. I was there to do it after last month. See why it's so successful. See how the career of poets went on. Speak a little bit. For many of you who were born, I was at Canada. Canada University. No student. And my wife, a coon, was two years ahead of me. He takes me. Love poets for you. Love the drama. Love the space bar. Where you meet different students. With all the type of plays. On the stage. We had a coon one time. Miles the coon. Come in my room. I said, Bob, I want to show you something. I need to act out on a Friday night. For the L.S. Two to three years. What? Yeah, that's for the test. The seventh work penalty they brought on tour. Teaching me, teaching myself. It was invited to the faculty of M.S.S. State in 1970. It's a great new program. That on the campus with Canada University became director of a theater. Sign line was called. Sometimes when he's signing, half you notice. I'm going to tell you a story about Rodney. I really don't feel comfortable with that. Okay, is everybody ready? Wait a minute. So I'm Miles. Well, I'll tell you, it was, see, about 17 years ago. Well, first of all, when I went into college, well, let me see, I'll tell you. So do people still use your full names? Do you know my full names? I used to. I used to tell people my full name. Frederick. Miles Cooney. Mr. Eric. Frederick. Mr., people would say. I have to call you then? I'd say, ah, you don't have to call me Mr. But that's my full name. So I had to spell out, I am. God, I am State of California. And I figure spelled all of it. So I would do that all the time. And then finally, it seemed that Miles became enough. So I stopped. I liked it. So Miles was enough. It's a lot easier. And then about 17 years ago, I went to a meeting for RID. And I was taking care of the money for Washington's RID. And a woman, a single woman, she wasn't married yet. And she had an adopted son. A very nice little boy. He was a black boy and he was deaf. And the woman was white. And the mother introduced me to the little boy and said, that's Mr. Miles. And he only used the letter M and made a Z with it. So Miles has been my name sign. So hello, I am Miles. I'm happy to be here. I'm going to go back in time. But first I want to know if I'm doing a good job or not. The interpreter is doing a good job or not. If I only saw three, I might worry a little bit. But I saw four, so I guess it's okay. So can you turn up your volume a little bit? Can you speak a little bit louder? Okay, that's just perfect. So now I want to explain a little bit about me. When I was small, I was hearing, you know, like this. And then when I got a little bit older, oh, I lived in California. It was a small town. And I went to the same doctor while I was growing up. And he was only about a block away, so I could walk there to see him. And you know, he'd give me the complete physical and test everything. And it was really easy for me. So everything was fine. I was happy. And I'd go see him regularly. And then something was wrong. And so he decided he needed to buy a bigger practice and it meant moving far away. So I lost him. And so I had to find another doctor. Well, hang on to that, okay? So then about, let's see, two or three months later, I became deaf. My ears were turned off and it happened during the night. I got sick. It just happened. I was taken to the hospital. And the way that it found out is because my father always read the newspaper to me, the comics. And my mother would tell me, go let your father read to you. And my dad told me, stop whispering. Or I told my father, stop whispering. And my father was surprised. And he thought something was wrong. So he took me to the hospital because he was speaking normally. In the morning, the nurse came in and she let the blinds up on the window. And she said good morning. I heard nothing and only saw her lip movements. It felt just like a silent movie. There was no sound. I was devastated. It hit me immediately that my hearing had left me. I could hear nothing. I didn't hear when the blinds went up on the window. So that's important. Remember that too. So then for two years I read everything. My father didn't want me to go to school for the deaf. And he didn't know where to send me. And when he did find a school for me, I felt like I was plopped into this new environment. I wanted people to help me, but I didn't know any sign language. It was really awful. It was bitter and frustrated. And then one day, I caught my first sign. I loved it. Well, suppose there was a boy there. And he signed what to me? Back. I was curious to know, what does that mean when you look at him? And he told me he meant yes. I was thrilled. Wow. My first sign. So I thought, okay, school's not so bad. And the teachers would say, Eric. I was surprised that the teacher had asked me what to say. I had just learned sign. I had been hearing myself. And I realized that it was a deaf sign. And that's why. Anyway, the teachers who worked there didn't sign very fluently. They signed enough to get by. It was really horrible. It was a slow process for me. And it seemed that the others didn't sign really fluently. For me, it took forever. But I hung in there until... Also, I was very shy at that time. I was a simple person. But the only thing that I really loved when I was young was playing football, but I couldn't. I was too young. The other kids would think I was really smart because I could write really well. And I thought, oh, that's no big deal. And they tended to avoid me. I was really lonely. But I kept on reading and writing and suffering and hanging in there. And then later, my teacher said that next month there was going to be a senior play. And I thought, what do you mean? Why are you telling me there's going to be a play? The teacher said, you know, I wanted to act. And I thought, me? On the stage, people looking at me, no way. I can't. I felt that maybe I had a heart attack and died. Just the thought of it, no thanks. And the teacher smiled and said, well, if you want to graduate, then I said, wait a minute. If you're going to put it that way, then I guess I'll have to change my mind. I do want to graduate, so okay, I'll be on the stage. But guess what? We had to create the play ourselves. So I thought, wow, I have to make up my own things. So this was in 1938. And when I was finished performing, the kids all came up to me and said, wow, that was great. I like that. That was the first time they paid any attention or gave me any kind of praise. So that continued with me from 1938 till now. So I went into Gallaudet. And in my freshman year, Bob already told you about Jabberwocky when I made up that poem, when I translated it. Some of it are some real signs. And they were good signs a long time ago. But some of it was different, like these sort of hand movements. Maybe like water. But I did some of my own hand movements. And I really had no coordination. So I knew that I needed to just go ahead and let go and try it. I wanted to be involved in things there. And I knew I didn't really have the skill. So I searched inside of myself for something that I could perform. And I found the poem. And it seemed, well, it was interesting. It was nothing I had ever seen before. So I showed it to Bob and signed it for him. And he was totally in awe. The other people also were really shocked at it. And asked me, what are you doing? And I'd show him the poem. And they'd say, but it doesn't mean anything. And I'd say, I'm signing exactly nothing. But I was very successful with it. Another boy did beat me in the contest that Bob was talking about. His poem was about a bowl going in water and being inspired. But after that I was invited to perform. And he wasn't. So I guess because it was successful anyway, I wasn't away. So I traveled and performed. And did Jabberwocky. Then later, during my sophomore year, I was in arsenic and old lace. So do you want to know why I picked that play? Because I wanted something new at Gallaudet. They always tended to do the same old kind of thing. You know, like, when you go down to the diner and you get the fucking thing, it's kind of crowded. So I had a sauce on top of it. I wanted something new, something thrilling. So I had read that play during the summer. The summer before my junior year, not 43, 42 Bob. And I read it right before my junior year. And it seemed to fit what I was looking for. So I showed it to some people at Gallaudet and explained my ideas. And everybody thought, nope, you can't do it. And there was a vote. It was five to one. And the one person didn't count so we kicked him out. So I sent a letter to the writers and I said, I'd like to use this play. And they sent it back and said, sorry, no. It's not available for any production of any play until it had been on Broadway. I was furious. So I typed a letter. And I sent the letter. I emailed the letter back to them and said, well, what about me? I'm one of the best signing language editors in the world. And it seemed that the letter was given to somebody who was higher up on the totem pole. And we were accepted. It went through a telegraph system, a postal system, not like what we have today. But they said, fine. We'd like for you to do it and we'd like for you to use our set. And to do so in February. And I was in Washington D.C. at the time. And I thought, wow, am I supposed to take control here and get things set up? Oh my God. I didn't expect that. I thought I'd have to act in it and take charge of it. No way. But I thought about it and I made some other phone calls and it seemed like there was enough time that it was postponed until June. So there was enough time. And I told them, oh, I'm sorry. I just understand you. February is not enough time. So they told us to go ahead and practice it. And when we were finished, then we could come to Broadway and do it at the Fulton Theater. I thought, Broadway. Broadway. For my life, I've always thought that the best theater is on Broadway with the lights around the marquee. And I thought, I can't take this. This is silly. So I picked someone who would be really the best director. Do you know? He's a small man. Fred? Frederick. Frederick. Hughes. Frederick Hughes. Jim McArthur. The Jim McArthur that is named after him. He was a champion in football about 1920s, 30s. He was the coach when the football team was champions. So anyway, I ran and knocked on his door and explained the situation. And I said, look at me, look at me. I want to explain this. And he was saying, well, I asked him, can you help me? Before he had been in a club with us, he had helped us set it. Bob was in it too. Really, there was no drama major at that time, so it wasn't a class, it was a club. So I said, would you help us? And he said, what? And I was so nervous, I could barely get it out. And I said, well, the drama club wants to give a play. And we're wondering if you could direct it. And he said, no. Me? I teach all day, I'm so busy. I'm sorry. I'd like to, I appreciate it, but I can't. And I said, well, I'm sorry. I'm scared to drop my phone. I guess we got him. Then I met the president of the hall and asked him for permission. And I explained the situation. And he said, no, sorry. No. And I said, why? Are you afraid that we're going to go to New York and ruin it? Broadway is professional. And he said, they're going to make fun of you. I was boiling inside. I was smoking. I was so upset. Do you know Jonathan Hall? Have you heard of him before? Do you know him? He's the son of President Hall. So I asked him to organize a meeting with the faculty and staff. And there was a meeting. And they all voted, yes, we'll go. So first we went to New York and just to discuss business. That was with Howard, Lindsay, and Russell Krupp. We just talked business with them. We were staying in a hotel. It was really kind of nice. It was expensive. And we would go to their office to talk business. And they said, are you going to go to the play? And then when you're finished, when we're done, you can come to our dressing room after the play tonight, and we'll talk more. And when you go eat in a hotel, just sign our names on the credit. That's all. Go ahead. And we thought, wow. So we were so excited that night and we ordered everything that we could. It was really sophisticated. And then when we were finished, they brought the check to us and we brought out our credit card. Very technically signed his name. The waiter looked at it, looked us up and down and said, I've never seen you before. So the waiter went and called and found out that we really were with the writers. And then he was very nice to us. And that was the first time in my life, and the only time in my life that I felt I was of a upper social class. So we were in the third row center at the time that night. It was really the best seat in the house. During the first act, Russell Krav came down the aisle and he waved to us. Is everything alright at the end? So just fine. And every single guest thought, who's that? Wow, that was really important. First thing I felt so proud. Then when the play was done, we went and discussed business some more. Talked about what time things would happen and all that. And then Frederick said, do you want a drink? And I said, sure, I had a whiskey sandwich and I was only 19. And you know that it was forbidden that I would drink a Gallaudet. So... He said, give me the milk. And Howard said, oh, go ahead, nothing will fail. So we went ahead for a beer. Alright, so we went and rehearsed and then when it was time to perform in New York, we came and acted and what Bob said was successful. I did not borrow Boris Karloff's shoes. He asked me if I wanted to use his lucky shoes. But they were size 13 and I only wanted size 10. And I said, oh, fine, fine. So he gave them to me. But they were too big. So then I felt better. They fit. And I could walk in and he asked me, do they fit? And I said, oh, fine. Why were they lucky? Because he used them the first time he had become famous. So ever since then he'd used them. They had been his lucky shoes. He said, Miles, tomorrow you can use my dressing room. Use my shoes. You can use my costume. And I'll make you up. And maybe a volume would help you. Oh, that leg. It was a little bit silly that I couldn't do it myself. But it seemed to be the plaything to do. Thank you, Ben. I went ahead and act. And it was successful. My pitches were all over the place. All over in the U.S. My head was getting big, you know. But what do you think happened? When it was over I came back to Washington D.C. and I got a fight with my girlfriend. And my head straight back to its normal size. And she made me feel small again. You know what I mean? She insulted me. Then I came back to where it was before. But anyway. And my senior year at Gallaudet, remember I told you about the doctor that I visited regularly when I was a child? Okay. It happened during the summertime. And it was the summer before my senior year. I got a letter that said that I needed to go to... I need to report for my physical. For World War II. I thought, well, fine, although. So I went. And the doctor for my physical was the same one that had been my doctor when I was a child. I thought, well, I've known him. This is fine. Any talk I'd have read him, it was easy. And my voice was still normal. Because I had lost my hearing when I was 10. So by the time I was 20, I still spoke the same. He asked me, I was college. I said, fine, check me over and let me go. And at that time, the president was... I was president of the student body. I was the president for the student body of the boys at Gallaudet. And I got a letter that said, please report to World War I. Because my physical was a 1A. I thought, me? 1A? I was shocked. And the doctor who had signed it was the one that I had known when I was young. And I thought, oh no. Should I tell people? Or what? I... I mean, I can't challenge a U.S. Army, can I? I mean, I go to Germany. Maybe I'll become a general. Although, well, okay, then a lieutenant. So I went and... I thought maybe I'll go to Germany and take over Hitler. So I did go. And the first place that I went to, I was sitting in the first row. And I saw him say, Mal's Coon. I raised my hand. I passed. And the next thing was that I had to go to Courtney. And lines were extremely long and turning all around the corners. It was awful. Do you think that the armies, like people take a break? Never. They're always working. So I stayed in lines and was patient. And they used a stick. Gave me a stick with the nail in it to pick up papers and trash. So I didn't mind. I walked around and picked up papers threw them in the garbage. And some of the soldiers were playing football and I loved it. So I watched for a while and somebody came up to me. Someone strikes on his arm and asks, are you off? And I said, no, and he yells. And even though I didn't hear it, I knew he was out and out. He came closer to me yelling and yelling. And I hadn't heard it. He started tapping me on the shoulder and I said, sorry. And he said, are you deaf or something? Well, yes. What? You goddamn liar. You've got to get out of the army. I'll fix you. So he took me to the doctor and I got to cut in the line and he said something to the doctor. And the doctor looked me up and down and said, I don't know what they were saying. So the doctor called me over and told me to take off my clothes. So I did. And I left my briefs on it and told me I said, take off all your clothes. The doctor walked around me and everybody was looking at me because everybody was new to having that discuss too and they were all laughing. The doctor walked around me and said, yes, your dad put your clothes back on. Go home. Now, how did he know by looking at me new that I was deaf? Well, anyway. So I put my clothes back on. First, I talked with one of the sergeants and he told me I needed to go see someone with two stripes and I was going up and up the line of length of order and finally I was told I had to be able to hear 20 feet away and I had no right to be there. So they told me I could go to work in a war factory. So I went back to Gallaudet. My tail was beneath my legs as I went back to Gallaudet and I saw another man who had been in line with me and he had got kicked out walk too. Why? Because he had flat feet. So I wrote a note to him and said, why did the doctor why did the doctor throw me out? How do you know I was deaf? And the man said easy because he walked behind you and he said, sorry, buddy. Of course if I was hearing I would have had some sort of pain on my face so that's how we do our stuff for sure. So that's how the doctor helped me so that my army career was only one day but we think it was one full day full day. From morning to night. Okay. Now I want to show you some of my poetry and I'm going to start with Jabberwocky. Do you want to see it? But first of all, I'd like to explain. This won't be the same. This won't be the same as what you see Lufan do because with his body and his face it just looks real different but for myself I do it a little bit differently every time. And sometimes I'm wonderful and sometimes I stay to be honest with you but really it depends on my mood so like with my wife this morning she was giving me when she wakes me up she says Eric's your coffee is ready and sometimes I look like this when I wake up so that's what my animal looks like but then sometimes she says God, I'm going to bastard you're late and then my animal looks like this and I pounce out of it so gee I wonder what my mood is tonight so you guys ready? which was brilliant and slippy toes with gyre and gimbal in the way all mimsier were the boroboves and the mummerah of grey Aaron the jabberwock his son his jaws that bite his claws that scratch he wear the jub-jub-burn and Sean the frumius vendor smash to cook his borefoot sword long time the manks of foe he sought and so he stood under the tum-tum tree in thought while an aphish thought he stood the jabberwock with eyes afraim came whiffling through the tumby wood one and two and through and through the borefoot blade went snicker-snacky he took his head and left it dead and he went and went glumping back thou hast slain the jabberwock oh come to my arms you might be a mish-boy Kalu Kale he charled in his joy was brilliant and slippy-tongued did garr and gimbo in the wake all mimsy were the morrow-groves and the morrow-roves sometimes they change the way, you know for example I went to Detroit y'all know where Detroit is Detroit, Michigan and you know what that town is famous for? the Alhambos they're automobiles and so this is what my animal looked like with the lights and the smoke billowing out the back so it really depends on where I go so now I'm going to take a break and I'd like to play a game with you I know you appreciate this game and don't sit on your hands I'm going to ask you to be attending and participating in this game I know you guys will all enjoy this when a joke's on somebody else but when I pick on you, please don't jump out this is a game I use for teaching sign language and drama and English all three of these attention back up here eyes directed up to the front I want to explain how this game works usually I use this with a small group or five and five or six and six and this is a game for all ages you'll see how it works as it goes along you'll be challenged but you can't sign and you can't speak but I'll show you all how it works so you can sign it you can do whatever I'll ask you to do a few things and let's go first I'll show you one of these if I show you this oh and then I'll show you the verb and then obviously me I'm pointing to me but I can't sign mine mine whatever well you have to stop me you don't understand what I'm saying okay fine just stop I'm unflappable okay you guys ready are you ready don't hide your hands I want to volunteer you get the idea what I'm trying to do here I'm trying to give you you yourself the opportunity to be creative okay this is the last one that's a hard one it's the right word just add to that a little bit come on now you have any other ideas you know the newspaper they talk about John Doe what comes after John Doe stop stop you know how the ball sets me to a T that's Clark Gable that's a big part of my game Panera already took up 3 hours I promise if you're else have you have gotten a Gallaudet before do you remember Dr. Fusfield he used to teach psychology do you remember him Fusfield anyway he taught psychology and he signed for psychology and he signed for hypnotic he learned psychology and I had his class at lunch it was all over every day I tried to rock myself to keep myself away but it was no good I go out every day one day he got in with me I went out as usual and I woke up there was a story going on up front but it wasn't my class it got up and left me there so I was extremely embarrassed and the teacher came up to me and said Mr. Mouse may I suggest tomorrow that you bring it below I could have crawled out of the room but anyway I want to show you how you can change a poem and we're going to do one called The Cat first I'll sign it in PSE and then I'll sign it in ASL and then I'll sign it out oh kittens is that eventually it becomes a cat the trouble with a kitten is that eventually it becomes a cat I think that's a little bit bad the trouble with kittens is that eventually it becomes a cat you have to change the language now we have another example called the centipede the sign that you use for centipede put it around here that's a good one I'll sign it for centipede we obdicate the centipede a bug we really do not need a sleepy time it leads to paths straight from the bedroom to the bath and if we stop there it is not and if it is it makes a spot in the centipede a sleepy time it leads to paths into the bath and if we stop there it is not now I want to work on a poem that I made up myself and we call it San Francisco have you ever been to San Francisco one, two, few of you okay so here I'm trying to show you how to use fingerspelling and fingerspelling can be incorporated into a poem what does San Francisco have the bridge what else does it have the hilly streets right there's a bay San Francisco bay hilly streets fog okay and cable cars okay I first wrote this poem in 1966 it was it was when I was working for a play with NTD and we were in San Francisco Bob saw it at that time but I changed it over the years I think it's improved too so here we go with fingerspelling San Francisco you are not a city you are a dream your people are not what they seem your people are your people are princes and kings come from all over the world to do fabulous things in San Francisco you are very elegance the way your people dance you're up and down streets with their mixture of Chinese and Italians and Greeks your crazy cable cars your restaurants give a touch of romance to you San Francisco San Francisco you will never grow old you are frozen in time a city alone a sonnet of sand and stone with a sea-splashed rhyme San Francisco beloved dream of mine okay I'd like to share a secret with you I have a health problem I have Malzheimer's disease Malzheimer's disease it means that my mind is a little bit shot you saw that when I showed you Jabberwocky you know the first time I showed it and thought I was a genius the other one third thought I was insane and the last third couldn't really decide what I was doing so hang in there with me and now I want to have a young lady volunteer to come up here who would do that come on somebody volunteer anybody you okay if I were to first of all it's a very old problem I found this when I was much younger and I had a full head of hair and a much smaller mouth many of them and it's a very romantic problem and I have to admit I'm very romantic I've never changed and I'm very old fashioned I developed this poem a long time ago and then later I translated it into ASL and I wanted a girl to volunteer for the first one and then I want another girl to volunteer for the second time okay can I have your attention up here okay when I'm finished with her we'll go on to you okay I'm going to have your attention because I flew here a long way to see you if I were king I'll love if I were king what tributary nations would I bring to Neil before your sector and swear allegiance to your eyes your lips and hair beneath your feet what treasures would I bring you would have the sun and the moon to wear the stars your necklace on a string the world a ruby for your finger ring if I were king let those wild words and wilder dreams take wing deepen the words I hear a shepherd sing a simple ballad for the silver air a love that always finds your face more fair I could not wish for thee any godlier thing if I were king I don't bother if I were king now this is my way I've done this several years if I were king I'll love if I were king what tributary nations would I bring Neil before your sector and swear allegiance to your eyes your lips and hair beneath your feet what treasures I would bring you would have the sun and the moon to wear the moon to wear the stars your necklace on a string a world those wild words and wilder dreams take wing deepen the words I see a shepherd sing a simple ballad a silver air a love that always finds your face more fair how many wives do I have their name is Legion why? because I killed a few of them and this is part of the play that I acted and this is just before King Henry VIII proclaims his will to have so are you ready shall I go on? okay this is so hard to do to put pen to paper Anne must die she must if things are to go as planned if they're to go at all if I am to rule and keep my sanity and hold my England off the rocks it's a lee shore low time and the winds the Spanish rocks a bear go back to it Henry go back to it keep your mind on this parchment you must sign you've condemned mad no ways of peasants she's struck out a few herself or driven you to do it it's only that a woman held in your arms and longed for when she was away and suffered with her and waited for the outcome of her child's death no, she promised me an heir write it down and when the headsman will cry out suddenly look, look there and point to the first flash and she'll look not knowing what it means and a sword will flash in the flick of the sun through the little bones in her neck and she'll look soon and it will be done what will it seem to them I was like when I did this it will be written and studied the history of kings are never secure the letters they have hidden secret ciphers are unraveled and chuckle over he loved her and he had her and he killed her the letters will be printed but one of the stolen left letters is where I played a fool and there's a heart drawn at the bottom of one and in the heart A, B, the board is imprinted Henry Rex seeks A, B and no other no, she betrayed she betrayed me and now seek her death but I felt like when I loved her less and less she loved me more but she betrayed me and in my anger she betrayed me a special request for me anything that I forgot you permit me to do this you permit that just a little this is not Peter Cook I'm like so I'm definitely proud of my job the first man who did this was now working for Disney and he worked many, many years and was very frustrated and he's been drawing cartoons ever since so let me show you this this isn't only for me coming up soon so watch for the advertisements if you want to sign up our mailing list there's all different kinds of people coming up there's going to be a couple people from Montreal they're going to do some French poetry for us we're going to be in January I think put your names down, we'll send you some postcards and you can come to get it thank you