 Fais i'r ffobl yn y cymdeithasol, a fyddwn ni'n meddwl yn y cydyniad wedi gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio, fel y gynllunio'r gweithio y Llyfrgell ac yn ymddiadau cyfwyrdau. Yr unrhyw gwerthoedd, yn ymddiadiau'r gweithio. Mae gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio, yn ymddiadiau'r gweithio, yn ymddiadiau'r gweithio'r gweithio. Rwy'n gwneud â'r gweithio'r gweithio yn y cyfwyrdau. Mae'r prifodau yn y cwmian ar y methu yn torno'n dechrau ac mae'n clyw o gwybeth a'r gwybeth yn ymwyng ymlaen i'w cwertho i, a'r byw y cael ei wneud o'r cymerau a'r bwrddwl i gael o'r llef, yn mynd i ddweud eu fath o'r bod gennaeth y bydd. Mae'r peth yn yr yw, o'r pleidio yn ymddangos, mae'r fath o'r hwn yn thyf, i mi wrth gael y bydd yn hwn yn ymwyng. Mae'n dweud, wrth gwrs, i'ch yn y ddweud o'r hyn sy'n ddeg. rych yn pwyllt g ysgol rych yn ôl iawn. Do we dda o any o gael o gael o gael o gael o gael o gael o gael? Yn mynd i gaeli gael o ceisio ar hwnnw. Neu o gael o gael o gael o gael o gael o gael fel y debyg Llywodraeth FFYLLL, ond rwy'n wneud y Cafsaith Tymni Horthkins nawr rhywbeth yno. Mae tŷn maen nhw. Ryw yn fwy o gael o gael o Gael o Gael, hefyd, rwy'n bod gael o gael o gael o ffordd. a dech wellness of interests, do yn dech lwayne of interests? No. And then we'll move to minutes of the previous meeting so if you go to minutes of the previous meeting, does anybody have any comments on the minutes of the previous meeting? Thank you, as always for those minutes. Good skipping through this is excellent. And now we'll move to the items of the day and rather strange meeting this time ac yn ôl ydych chi'n gwneud hynny o'r blwyddyn a chyfodol llwyffyn nhw. Felly yn y chyfyddiad, mae hwn yn y rhan o'r ffordd material sy'n gwneud hynny, ond rydw i'n gweithio bod mae'n rhaid i'n gweithio bod y pwysig o ddau. Felly mae hwn yn ddau sy'n gweithio, ac yn ddau, ac mae'n dweud hynny'n gweithio bod yn rhywun yn ei bod yn ychydig. Felly mae'n ddweud hynny'n gweithio bod y rhaid o'r ffordd llwyffyn nhw. The first one is the greening of South Council. I have been asking. Let us know what is happening. Are we on track? We have seen lots of things happening outside. So, it would be really good to have that and can I ask Sean Misson, who is joining us online, to present this update Sean? Good afternoon, thank you chair and good afternoon everyone. My name is Sean Misson. I am the Cuma Manager for South Cambridge District Council and I am giving you an update of the greening programme. There were some challenges that we faced and we're obviously trying to get the project back on track to make sure that all of these elements are delivered. So, just to explain, we've appointed a technical project manager and employers, agent advisor and building service technical advisor to help make sure that we can deliver each of these outstanding items. Progress has been made by the introduction of some project management systems and procedures and reporting to ensure that these issues are addressed at the earliest opportunity and also factor some elements which were outstanding into the completion of the work. As well as that, we've had to put in some special systems to make sure that we're asking technical questions. It's effectively a request for information system so that we can track those technical questions and the responses to them so that they can help aid a speedy response and also make sure that we can finish this project as soon as possible. So, getting on to each of the elements of the works, the carport and the PVs, we had to replace some vandalised solar panels in the carport. We've also addressed some snagging that occurred in the carport with some of the pedestrian barriers and things and we've also comprehensively tested the electrical vehicle charges and we're pleased to say that they're now fully operational and working. The operation and maintenance documents are now being reviewed so that we can obviously get this item closed off and formally handed over. We're getting on to the chiller switch so one of the issues that we've got is that the way that the wiring has been configured to do with the load that we have in the plant room, we've got a chiller switch which shares a port with the solar carport. So, in order to correct this, we're doing some design rectification, mechanical and electrical works so that we can enable the chiller solar carports to operate concurrently. Further design work is therefore being undertaken by boys before approval can then be granted to proceed and then we can get that item finished and closed off. Do you want to just explain what the chiller switch is? Yes, of course. So we have some chiller equipment which chills the building in the summer and we also, because of the configuration within the plant room, unfortunately the design of the installation has meant that the carport, the chiller switch, the chiller switch, the chiller switch is. Carport and the chiller has effectively shared the same electrical switch. So the problem is is that if you run both of them concurrently, it would have a problem and the building couldn't cope and would overload. So one or the other would trip out in effect. So in order to put this right, what we're having to do is do some mechanical and electrical works to make sure that they sit on separate switches in effect. OK, and do you want me to carry on chair? So yes. No, thank you. That was very clear. Thank you. OK, so going on to the heating system. This been reviewed by a technical team with boys in detail and we've identified some works that we needed to carry out to the trench heating in the building and also the main handling handling unit, which is considered to be zero one. And just to explain this is that when boys put in their greening solution, what they've done is they've connected to our older components and systems. Now the problem is that some of these are as old as 20 years old. So effectively what we've done is we've done a review of those systems that we found that some of them needed some remedial works to bring them up to specifications so that they perform adequately. So you will have heard some noise today, I think in South County Hall, but that's the air handling unit, which is being repaired. We've also during December we made some adjustments to some valves and some low temperature hot water system and also put the air handling unit into winter mode. And some other minor adjustments, which have meant that the building, rather than feeling cold, I think you'll agree is actually feeling quite good at the moment. So it's stabilised the temperatures and it's made sure that if you've come and work in the office it's quite a pleasant environment. But we're hoping to actually get all of those things repaired and fixed. And then obviously we can we can move towards getting the ground source heat pumps so that they're operating correctly and as designed. And then hopefully that will mean that the heating system will be operating as it is intended and is designed. When we're going on to the other energy conversion measures, conservation measures, sorry, the technical design workshops are taking place weekly between our technical team of boys for each of those individual ones. And what we're doing in those energy workshops is trying to understand what are the outstanding issues, if there are any technical problems that need to be resolved and then putting in a plan to resolve those issues, bringing in subcontractors and whatever to help fix those problems. And then obviously to make sure that we can then hand each of those items over. The focus on our team has been in the last few weeks is purely around the heating and the air handling units, but we're pleased to say that we're making good progress with that. So we think that's getting back on track. And the just to explain that the chiller replacement works are also being coordinated with the other works that are taking place to make sure that there's no problems or other delays. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. So I'll open up to any questions on that detail, which is about sort of what's happened and why there have been some bumps in the road in a way in terms of the timing of this. But it sounds like you're identified the problems and are moving on. But have you got any questions, members? I've got two. Councillor Martin Cunn. Simply to ask her when the building will be ready and operational without works going. Thanks. I mean, that's obviously a concern. Yes, thank you for that. To be honest, what I think is we're having to identify all the problems. So whilst we've identified many of the problems, what I can't tell you is I can't give you a final date. This is the date when all of those problems will be fixed and you'll have no more greening works within the building. I'm afraid I can't give you that today. And to be honest, I think what it needs, we need more work to make sure that we've identified all of the individual issues. We've actually sequenced them and there's some dependencies as well. So there's 11 different trancheidwp works that are happening and there's some dependencies between them. And you can't, you have to do things in certain sequences and you have to make sure that if you're doing one set of things, if anything has a dependence, then certain other works have to take place at that time as well. So if you can appreciate, I can't give you a particular date when those particular works will be finished. What I can tell you is that we're working towards being able to provide a definitive date of when that is and also to make sure that those works are actually completely satisfactory and correctly so that rather than giving abstract dates or anything, we can be assured that those works, when we actually give proper dates for completion, that those completions are met and in fact those works are properly complete and that those are handed over formally. In that sense, these additional works have come necessary. What's the liability? I mean, originally there was presumably a survey and these weren't picked up. How is the management financing going? Is this part of an energy service contract so that the contractor is liable or is this something that we have to pay, who is liable for with additional work? So for anything that the contractor, I'll give you an example. So for example, on the EVs, we've had some EV chargers that have been faulty. That's been the responsibility of the contractor to pick up and actually fix and repair. For the things like the air handling unit, that is our responsibility. It's our piece of equipment. It's been in our service for 20 years and unfortunately it's just at the stage of life where it did need some remedial work so we would have to repair that at our charge. So I think there's different tranches amongst the 11 tranches and the different elements of those tranches where liability may lie and some of them unfortunately are the council and some of them are the contractor or the contractor's subcontractor. Thank you. Councillor Jeff Harvie. Yes, thank you chair. Well, I was interested to hear about the air handling unit because I, right back at the start of this project, maybe about 2018 I suppose, I understood that replacing the motors, for example replacing single speed, three phase motors with modern inverter driven variable speed motors and that was part of the area or scope for making energy savings. So I just wanted to, did that sort of drop out of the project at some point? I'm really sorry, I've only sort of taken over the project since October to try to help and resolve the issues and to actually bring it to a successful close. So I'm not clear about anything, any of the design characteristics from the original phase of the project. Did you want me to take a question back about that? Yes, thanks, that would be interesting. Just to know whether there are further, if we did revisit this, come back with a phase two of further improvements, maybe that would be one we could look at, especially if there's a rationale for, because when things get to a certain age, it's almost better to replace with something new rather than having to come back with repeated maintenance interventions. Yeah, so that would be useful. Thank you very much. Thank you. No other question. I just have one. When you're talking about the sort of the pathway that you're looking with the different critical dependencies, so the question would be, are there any sort of barriers or obstacles that you'd like to highlight in terms of being able to deal with those that you need either member support for, cabinet support for or whatever, or within the update you feel that now that you've identified the pathways and the critical dependencies, it's just getting on and doing that. Yes, I think it's the complexities of dealing with 11 different tranches of work chair with the technical nature of the work with the subcontractors that have been employed. There's a number of subcontractors that are working and it's making sure that you can sequence them in the correct sequence at the correct times when you need them. And that's the reality of where we are and that's why I can't give you a definitive date. But that's the, it's not really a barrier, but that's the issue that I can see that is at hand. And it's really down to us to actually manage that with the technical team. But thank you. No, thank you. And it's good that obviously there's been identified and you've been brought on to make sure that there's somebody with a technical manager as well who can be managing those work streams. Okay, thank you very much. And so, members of the committee, we're invited to note that update. So I think it's okay to do that. Good. Thank you very much. We've moved to the next agenda item, which updates to the Zero Carbon Community Grant Guidance for applicants. And we know that this is a very, very successful and important part of our whole approach to our Zero Carbon targets and our Zero Carbon Action Plan, which is about including and working with local communities and parishes. So it's part of the granting and the grant guidance for this is a key part of this. So Ola, I think you're with us to present this update. Yes, thanks very much. So yeah, very exciting, maybe coming up will be sick round applications this April for a Zero Carbon Community Grant. So in preparation we've been reviewing the criteria and guidance that's currently available on the website and is the kind of master document that people use as they apply. So these are more clarifications to the guidance necessarily than changes. And we're sort of proposing that the grant themes and objectives will remain the same. So projects will once again be invited under those two themes, either projects that reduce carbon emissions or lock up carbon or projects that engage the community around climate change and promote behaviour change. So yeah, these kind of proposed clarifications are based on suggestions that were made to us by the grant advisory committee and the new cabinet member for resources in I believe it was June or July last year when we brought the applications to them and comments made by the office of panels when we were reviewing the project applications. So yeah, we hope these changes will help ensure we've seen strong applications that perform well under the grant criteria and help us see clear and measurable outcomes and kind of grave them against those. So firstly, with regards to applications for nature projects, in previous, the most recent round we did receive some applications for nature projects but none were, those were all received under community engagement theme and none of those were funded because the applications did not adequately demonstrate that those projects would engage people or climate issues or promote behaviour change although they sort of outlined really valuable plans to support nature recovery because they'd submitted onto that community engagement theme were sort of compelled to assess that as the principle aims of the project and the community engagement was typically a sort of secondary aim with practical measures to support nature's principle aim. So yeah, we basically propose that we're not to exclude nature projects at all, we hope to continue to welcome them to the grant but basically just refine the guidelines to suggest that if you're a pure nature project then you might want to look at other more suitable funding sources potentially like the community chest by Diversity Pop and the Cambridge R&P to the Fund for Nature that we were discussing in this morning's workshop and that the evidence guidance would need to emphasise that projects should define themselves principally like for their community engagement benefits like alongside their nature work or should advertise their carbon reduction benefits clearly if they're applying under that category so just a reminder to nature projects to centre their kind of fulfilment of the theme because we feel that's why none were funded last time and we do want to see them funded still. Secondly, a clarification around solar PV projects so when last year's applications were agreed by the grants advisory committee members commented on variations in costs between solar PV projects that seem to be delivering similar outcomes some of that was to do with part funding and match funding contributions on concern about just like different quotes so we're going to ask more formally that's always been recommended but we're going to request if or the proposed changes request that was getting them to give minimum of three quotes just to ensure more value for money particularly on solar PV projects what we've noticed has that disparity and then lastly we propose to make the guidance more prescriptive when projects submitting under the carbon emissions are calculated they're avoided missions or projective avoided missions so the current application guidance and criteria provides a recommended methodology for calculating avoided CO2 emissions however applicants don't always use this methodology in the portion of the e-form that asks them to give these estimates which makes it quite difficult to compare them like for like if you try to find a bigger future project for the sort of kilograms of avoided CO2 emissions a record pound of funding requested so yeah we just would like to tighten up the grazing on the e-form so that they're required to use that methodology unless they can sort of very clearly evidence another method of calculation which will just help us compare those figures more like the like and not have to kind of make leaps of imagination ourselves to kind of try and find an estimate that we can then use like for like so yeah those are the three proposed clarifications and I'm really interested to hear if you think those are sensible or if you could propose additional changes or potential changes so yeah thanks very much Members Yes Cazby Samford Thank you chair With respect to community engagement in projects we touched on this in the workshop earlier is there more we can do to help the applicants along the road of demonstrating community engagement examples maybe, templates that kind of thing don't have a concrete solution but maybe that's something you can think about No we'll definitely bear that in mind we currently advise them to think about trying to find a number of people directly and then sort of who will be not directly at first but maybe not directly influenced but exposed to the project generally so we can build that into our marketing program and I guess also in the workshop that we run we invite applicants too to sort of discuss the nuts and bolts of applications so yeah thanks very much Good and just to follow on I think that's a good you know if there's a link to some of our newsletters where it talks about them but we've got examples of how they've done that community engagement I think that's what people are saying oh how did you do it if that won the money how did you do it was it a newsletter was it a group meeting was it getting them involved in the activity and I find that's what we actually do to make sure that it is that piece so I think it's the links to the activities and as you say in the workshop itself but also people like to be able to read some examples of what's happened so thanks Pete That's the Jeff Harvey Yes I'm just wondering you know there's this sort of happy overlap between the objectives of you know increasing your biodiversity and carbon capture and therefore if it's with the zero carbon tidings of this we were talking this morning about some of the most active groups around river ecology I just wondered if there's a way that we could sort of sneak that in because it's difficult to sort of really say well if really ecology is sort of reducing carbon emissions or sequestering carbon but I don't know I wonder what we think about that or maybe we need to perhaps you know do some fishing if you will allow and direct those groups to alternate sources of funding I can come back on that I think that's definitely something which when we're sharing examples of sort of what could be funded and things like that if you were to have a sort of restoration project or something like that where you're really engaging communities and as well as that sort of project which has a really good ecological value you are demonstrating that that project sort of engages people and sort of takes on volunteers and things and that's quite a good example of sort of how that could fit well into that community engagement type of project and so it's something which we can use when we're marketing the grants or sharing it with communities we can highlight that as a root for them and Councillor to share your name so can I just ask Councillor Brian Mills for his question while we're sorting out your idea I think you'll be a race now between which if you can sort it first there we go just picking up on this proselytisation programme there we go how do we get more people in our community to join in we saw the success of our COP conference to some of the presentations and particularly for example the electric vehicle charging point because there's been a barrier to people approaching that because there's so much unknown information and one of the things that I suggested that we might consider is doing a video from Steeple Morgan to take us through that reflects his talk so that he doesn't have to do that to individual publishers but that would become an online resource so if we could do that I think that would be really useful thank you we discussed about the community projects my question is that can this grant be extended to the school education projects as well I proposed a eco-festival in Cambon Village College earlier and they had a successful eco-festival just to bring the ideas from the generation next also that all children can come up what to do with the climate conditions they run it in 2022 but they couldn't run it last year because they didn't have any funding so can this grant be extended to the school education as well that fall under the community engagement in a way what would be the guidance for that kind of eco-festival whether it's a school or a community eco-festival because that's something that could be done that is definitely something which would be fundable under that the community engagement category as to whether I'd have to come back to you on whether schools can apply I would need to just double check on the criteria but if not the school if a community could could apply for that kind of project so we have had a case law in this in that we've had I think it was Melbourne college students who applied in one of very early grants so I do think there has been their precedent in that one but as I understand the answer is the grant is saying there's two categories you go under either it's purely the carbon side or this is a community engagement around the eco side either the nature or the carbon or both so if it's purely about how you get people involved in that and the ideas around it which is what you're saying then yes it definitely comes in who applies for it for how you'll just get some confirmation on that but I think we have had a question where the school has come from if you can confirm me the procedure we can also apply on behalf of the because we are the registered charity from Cambon if we apply to help the local school then we can apply on behalf of them and then the local school can run their eco festival for the next year exactly so it's by partnership and actually you as counciller now can do that so all of that information is already available online for the grants that are upcoming so you can find that and point that to others in the community or your charity whatever but what we're doing now is just working out the questions and the guidance for that next round but basically the answer is yes and rather than others telling them you can because that's as a counciller just as we signpost this to everybody I think that all sounds really sensible kind of clarifications in the guidance and I think it does point to where some communities have wondered about how they do that with parish councils have wondered about those questions so thanks very much and also if you're unlocking things where people have applied and then be frustrated and you can see why it's helping them to navigate it so that all sounds very good and now we're going to update members thank you very much and we're going on now to another way in which we're helping communities to act on doubling nature and biodiversity and this is the free trees program so thank you very much all or I think you're also presenting this update yeah that's me again so yeah just a few weeks ago the 6th free trees scheme for 2023 into 2024 closed 146 trees have been delivered or are due to be delivered depending on their ordering time to parishes across South Cambridge so as with previous years the parish councils have given the option between six smaller trees or one larger potted tree we promoted the scheme across social media we emailed parish councils directly and sent out press release 45 parish councils took up the offer of the free trees and feedback from parish councils that didn't participate this year cited issues finding a space for and then maintaining upkeep and watering for trees and also that they just received quite a lot of trees from other sources that year like the Coronation Tree Fund I think a few parish councils took advantage of there were some new parishes who'd never accessed the scheme before who signed up this year including Tevesham, Great Abington Great and Little Everston and Bartlow so yeah 45 parish councils took up the offer this year a slight reduction on last year which was 49 but there was a really good spread geographically across the district particularly good for taking the south west of the district and we've asked parish councils as usual as part of their agreement to provide us with photos of planting and of the trees in situ so we've got a press release plan and some very positive posts across our socials and updated on newsletter and an update to the website so we'll be sharing the successes of the scheme again this year yeah good thank you members does it have a special corner for the plantation and does there any branding on the trees is there any branding on the trees yeah not we don't request any formally although some parish councils opt to put plaques and then credit us on the plaque but we don't request that they do that we'll provide those materials at the minute I mean if it's sort of coming up to 150 trees around they're all dotted around where there's coronation for Woodland and WI Woodland they're like wow this is a new Woodland and they're very significant once they grow but maybe some creative thinking around and even just a little here's a map of where they are you can find them around but given their sort of interview it's probably quite a bit much to say I'm now labelled them but I think some recognition of a nice map of where they all are and things like that it's a nice idea councillor Peter Sand thank you chair have we been following up with the parish councils and the lucky recipients as to whether the trees have survived I know we get pictures when they're properly planted but how many have made their second first thing in birthdays yeah we have some anecdotal feedback parish councils like to keep us updated on the size of the trees but I think we have done surveys previously so better than the A14 trees that were planted then as long as we're better than that rate to add to that we have received some all those mentions of nice anecdotal feedback and also reviews on trees and it's nice to see communities really taking on responsibility of those trees and watering them and you see people maybe it's not involved with the parish councils but parish councils will inform us that residents of nearby residents have taken on the watering of those trees so that's quite nice to see that ownership of them good well thank you very much that's for me one of the constraints will be the availability of land for the plant owned by the parish councils how much of a constraint has that proved to be and how much more could you could be provided are many parish councils with lotterland or are they all rather restricted to land which is perhaps already well wooded just what context is well I think from what we hear from the parish councils that are participating in the scheme most of them have found space I don't really have an indication as to how much there is remaining how many more trees can be planted there but I do know that some parish councils are opting to for instance we had our state's team give permission for a couple of them to be put on our own housing land as well or on the verges around the housing land so I don't know if necessarily to a lack of space finding places where they think the trees will be well situated but I can't really comment on that gelted fragments yeah thank you interesting point about the verges because we also have correspondence of my parish council with the county council so depending on which side of the footpath your verges depends really who we need seek permission from so we've tried to establish a good means of communication with the county to get that permission to make it easier to find and so we've previously had few or no trees are slowly building up on their verges to create avenues in our housing units so don't worry that's really interesting but to have coordination you know can actually enhance those that's really interesting and good caution you tell me that's really important isn't it I have, there was a request from somebody and it's about that council land do we are we supportive of a parish council or a local initiative planting on district council land and then in the early maintenance but then handing it back once it doesn't need so much maintenance so I've had that from a parish council that was considering doing that for the council and with the council somebody sort of later in life this is what they would like the community to do it's a piece of district council land that everybody enjoys so therefore it would just be would the district council I suppose then be willing to take on a bit of land on it that have been planted would need some kind of maintenance later on our liability yeah it's something which we can look into we could discuss with colleagues in housing as well who manage on the back land so yeah it's something we can take away and look into but that's useful feedback and thank you okay good thank you very much we move on to the final agenda item and we note your updates thank you very much and we're looking forward to the press release on socials and we'll all share those and make sure they get wide recognition so this is about the forward plan for our committee meetings on the next one yes good so first of all if I could ask Rebecca I would just if you could give us that update please yes upcoming plan for the next committee we've got a follow on the joint air quality strategy from our colleagues in that team which will be an update after the last committee that we had we've got Eddie Spicer coming to do an update on the council housing retrofit works which will be very interesting a key milestone for them we hope we'll have lots to tell us my colleague Alex I think we'll be coming on to do an event update on that project if it's ready but she's hoping she'll have something to say and then she will also be coming to talk about climate risk and adaptation which is something we've not had before so that's scheduled any comments on that or anything else but first of all ok thank you I have a question that is there any parameter or protocol to learn how are we performing nationally among all the among all the local local councils climate wise and also on the carbon footprint so how are you performing how do we know that where are we standing in the rank in nationally can I ask officers so I would say that I think as part of the work we're going to be doing in the coming year reviewing our strategies I think that will naturally be part of the work to start benchmarking there isn't a very strong basis for national benchmarking in this field at the minute and most recently we've kind of been beholden to the I can't remember the name of the organisation climate emergency UK benchmarking exercise which we have discussed in previous meetings and you know no matter what we think of it it is there and it's useful and actually we are already taking on board some of their comments to feed into the plans for our strategy review so we are giving it its due diligence because actually at the minute it's kind of one of the strongest things we've got to hold on to that gives us any kind of benchmarking Thank you chair I think I did notice this on this morning before the plan but looking at retrofit I think we are planning to have a session on that at some point and especially in relation to heritage buildings and how those can be made more energy efficient and I think this is the right time to look at it because we've had new guidance from Heritage England and also had updates to the NPPF National Planning Policy Framework which makes the link between public benefit and including climate change mitigation within that public benefit more explicit so there's some sort of policy sort of tailwinds nationally that would help us to revisit we give a lot of guidance on the website to owners of heritage assets but I think what we now need to see is as we previously discussed in relation to the motion I brought some actual sort of example case studies of places where we've perhaps used the discretion built into planning policy to actually make things like double glazing fitted into listed buildings easier to accomplish without so many as far as the residents are concerned I suppose hurdles being sort of put in a place of actual very very good intentions in many cases so I think we could have a session around that and look at all those issues so I think it was on the forward plan so it's just to because it was council retrofit in our own housing and then there is home owners within South Cambridge where we have a large proportion of people with older housing which often is in conservation areas or it's listed or it's heritage and that proactive approach to you know being bringing this into the balance so I think it was on the forward plan so it's just clarifying that. It is on the forward plan so obviously Eddie Spicer when he comes in talking mainly about the work they've done on the council housing although we can also give an update on action and energy as well on residential private sector sorry but your point about there is an upcoming workshop as you say and your point about the historic and more historic plans that you have captured that and we'll be exploring that within the workshop. Thank you and councillor Dr. Neeson-Rubbrok first. No, councillor Dr. Neeson-Rubbrok first. Thank you chair it's sort of a bit been covered I was going to raise action on energy and initiatives for private homes so thank you for including that. Simply I've got to declare an interest in the sense that of course they've mentioned climate emergency and my brother-in-law is one of the organisers of climate emergency so I need to declare that interest. Councilor Brian Monds? If everybody else is finished I just want to... I'll just say he hasn't used his influence very much but there you go. First of all I want to do apologise for missing this morning workshop double-hating at a county council meeting to prevent some beginning that but I would like to apologise to everyone who was involved in organising that on the timeliness of it because on Sunday Countryphile had a big section on biodiversity and Look East followed that up yesterday also so we're very much on message for that so thank you. The other thing that we were talking about for ordination and again coming back from the county council there's a new officer there who's the green infrastructure team manager and she's been helping me with a local issue that I've mentioned before about the hedge rows in Soulston and that's again good news in terms of getting some liaison between the local planning authority and the highways department to try and resolve some of those tensions that we've talked about before. Thank you very much Councilor Brian Monds and we did miss you this morning on the need for how we can improve even further this coordination that's necessary so some of our officers were talking this morning about how they had met with county officers within the green investment team so you've got the green investment committee but then you have this land and the corporate land side and also with the farming the farming tenancies and officers were saying actually would be useful even if members encouraged to be even for greater coordination around those particularly for biodiversity net gain around partial credits so these are very much smaller units of credits that maybe county farms and the green investment committee turned out they didn't know about the partial credit part so we know about the bigger credits which are on bigger developments on these partial credits so something I think that we can keep doing even better coordination between the two from that planning to county council as a land owner and as your highways the highway side too. I think you have probably heard as well that the vacancies in the county farms has been given some preference to people that have got interest in biodiversity net gain projects so that's continuing good news. Yes, I think Dr Martin Carn mentioned this morning the illegal things around that land tenure so can you actually ask them to be doing these things. It's actually part of the future framework for young farmers or young farmers coming into it it's being put as a preference filter isn't it? Thank you, yes. Just a quick question. I'm asking this on behalf of Oakington and Westwick Parish Council, I was there last night it's on the same theme and they asked how are we monitoring and measuring the biodiversity net gain and the future proofing of it and where can they find the metrics for success. So this is so timely because this morning's workshop which is about biodiversity and nature recovery we're talking about how can we what are some of the barriers to our collaboration engagement locally around these issues so there's a key question that people would like to be pointed to so one thing we can do is signpost people to what it is your answer to them will be I presume it came up that Monday was when this became law nationally so pride diversity net gain now is law this week so that's there's still some other regulations luckily we've been preparing for this over 18 months so we're kind of ready for it but it's going to be about what are those measurements where can they find out about those measurements we have got supplementary planning document but also in other documents so that might be a nice piece to go up on the zero communities and the green connections website I'll hand that over to the system yeah that's certainly something we can share and particularly as it's quite timely very keen to share any information that we have on that so do keep an eye out on the zero communities facebook page and sign up to the zero communities newsletter where any information on that would be shared from our part and I think what we were talking about this morning is what was made law was 10% pride diversity net gain our aspiration and in our emerging local plan it's 20% that we're putting there so that is huge that is doubling that is very aspirational and that will be challenging with developers and what they come back with but that's what we're pushing for so I think it's always good in our messaging to let communities know that the teeth will be at the 10% our local plan we're pushing it to be above national threshold AOB well thank you very much and we'll bring this meeting to an end thank you very much I do quite like some of your updates because it enables us to know what's coming whereas the formal reports make it mean that we can't hear anything until you can put something down on print so this is very helpful at times so thank you very much because it means you've got to put time into it anyway but that was very useful thank you