 Just kept going on and on Yeah, I've done that a few times now Someone on YouTube is like somebody needs to stop the Twitch stream on YouTube, which I'm like why you say that over in Twitch But also I'm like, yeah, that's someone's me. Okay. That's me. I did it Hopefully nothing was embarrassing when you didn't know this time I changed the setting on that machine so that it won't autoplay like I did the first time and it started playing weird Or Arabian children's videos They looked out to me. I don't know. There's a lot of English ones. They're pretty weird to my yeah, that's true They just get weird sometimes But you know what they must be breaking in the cash because a lot of people are doing them Dell says it will explore IPO or merger with VMware, which is the thing that we said that they were doing anyway but now Yeah, the reverse merger is just weird. So wait a minute does that mean all the machines? They'll be selling in the future will be virtual. Yes. That's exactly what it means. They just get a box That's what a reverse merger does. It turns all of your products right now the other Your next Dell machine will come in an empty box. I have an Alienware box running the Twitch stream It will become a virtual box Disappear Daimler takes on Silicon Valley with high-tech a-class Isn't the a-class the hatchback? Yes, it is the one with the cloth seating Yes, I remember when they came out and George Crowe who was a well-known Mercedes fanboy concerted a Parasy to even sell a Mercedes with cloth seats Well now they're selling a Mercedes with machine learning and voice recognition developed by Mercedes in plastic seats But you're saying George Crowe found hit the Mercedes lacking the any class he thought it was Not what Mercedes did for Mercedes stands for selling cars that that's a fan right there And never there's very few things where if a company does it I'm like you've offended my sensibility of what you are It's more of a like no, I don't like that one. I Want a car that runs? I Want a car with a short skirt and a long jacket There's one a comfortable seat and a radio Radio Muses good speakers. Okay. I got you. I thought I was suddenly had this romantic vision of you with like a transistor radio Like a warm analog FM sound You're like, no, no, I just want music Yeah, comfortable seat it's big in a car Never made any sense to me. I'm like I don't like sitting on them I Was like calm cake reference. I thought you were a pie guy Okay, I am ready. Are you ready? I'm ready. I am a real human Will host this show We'll see Remember if you're not a human being you're a human doing Yeah, there we go. Three two The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside Organizations if you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and Analysis coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, February 2nd 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from the beautiful west side of Cleveland, Ohio I'm Len Peralta and Len is here to illustrate We're here to help you understand and here to help us help you do all of that is Nicole Lee from Engadget. Welcome back to the show Nicole. Hello. Happy to be back. Thank you Producer Roger Chang is here as well. He is also a real human and not a simulation. Yes, and we were talking about Teowana Bibles Don't search for it until after the show Or Mexican Halloween Start with a few tech things you should Well, that was fast YouTube TV announced its app is now available for Apple TV with subscriptions Available in an in-app purchase YouTube TV arrived for Ruku yesterday Thursday Microsoft introduced a new surface laptop for $799 Friday the new model has a core n3 processor 4 gigs of RAM and 128 gigabytes of storage bargain pricing Microsoft also introduced a new variant of the 13.5 inch surface book to at a thousand one hundred ninety nine dollars That's three hundred dollars then the previous cheapest surface book to it has an Intel Core i5 eight gigabytes of RAM and a hundred twenty eight gigabytes of storage So it's about the same as that one thousand four hundred ninety nine dollar model, but that one had two hundred fifty six gigabytes So three hundred dollars less half the storage Sources tell recode that HQ trivia the trivia game show app is raising around a funding led by Peter Teal's Founders fund valuing the company north of one hundred million dollars and gives founders fund a seat on the company's board The reason I'm excited about this is the plot thickens a little bit on my 2018 predictions if you missed that show you should listen to it that Facebook would clone HQ rather than buy it considering that Teal is on Facebook's See where okay that puts it all together for me Chrome OS 64 is rolling out one new feature let you take a screenshot by pressing the power and volume down buttons together There are also updates to how it handles Android apps including the ability to enable VPN when you're using those play apps Now here are some more top stories Sarah apple earnings came in right after the show yesterday So let's talk about them now apple reported it sold 77.3 million iPhones in its last quarter down 1% year over year the revenue rose as average selling price rose to 795 dollars iPad sales rose 1% to 3.2 million wearables revenue rose 70% and watch sales rose 50 Max we're down 5% services revenue rose 18% to 8.5 million dollars China revenue rose 11% overall revenue set a record at 88.3 billion dollars at 14% on the year Yeah, so iPad sales at 13.2 million not bad for a category that a couple years ago People were saying is just gonna be gone not that that's the most important thing here the most important thing is that they made all the moneys and Even with slower iPhone sales the increased price of the iPhone 10 at $1,000 was enough to make up the difference China revenue rising 11% is significant for Apple. Obviously a very important market for them What is the wearables revenue? That's that's gaining so much Besides the series sales themselves a series to watch is is more expensive. They've got more expensive versions with the LTE in it So so there's selling a bunch of them Nicole do you have any thoughts on the whole Apple picture where you know? You this is one of those situations where some people are saying ooh not good news because of the slowing sales But the overall numbers still look good So some people are very happy and the stock market is reflecting that with some mixed results Yeah, I think the I think there are a few things that I took away from this report number one I'm also a little bit surprised by the wearables revenue rising is because I had thought that the overall Smartwatch smartwatch trend was kind of trending down and this seems to buck that quote-unquote trend Another thing that I thought was really interesting as you said It was a kind of a slower iPhone holiday sales quarter and I wonder if that's because of The fact that there were two iPhones the eight the eight plus eight slash eight plus as well as the X and I'm wondering if like having two of them was maybe Made consumers had a wait and see attitude instead of just buying one over the other I'm not sure. This is just speculation. Yeah, but I wonder about that sometimes Well, there's also the the fact that iPhone 10s were supply constricted So some people may have said well, I'm just not gonna buy one until I can get one and I don't want to work That hard to get one. So I'll just wait until after the first of the year Maybe the price will come down. Maybe I'll get one cheaper that way, too The other thing to consider is our next top story here overall smartphone sales were slow in the holiday quarter wasn't just Apple According to IDC and strategy analytics numbers IDC showed 403.5 million units shipped down From 430.7 million the year before for the year overall Smartphone volume dropped zero point one percent according to IDC strategy analytics showed it going up one percent But either way you look at it smartphone sales flat on the year this is no longer a growing market worldwide and Apple took the top spot away from Samsung for the quarter So even with Apple slowing its sales it gained the top spot. They slowed slower than Samsung did Samsung was still the top vendor for the entire year and another notable point here Xiaomi climbed back into the top five for the year bumping out vivo I mean smartphones are good enough that they're like computers at this point I mean if yes, if you want the newest coolest whatever sure you might get a new one every year, but I'm not that person anymore Yeah, we've been talking about the commoditization of smartphones for a while on this show and how it's like every new Version isn't necessarily super compelling. It's not necessarily a phone that you have to have right So I think we expected to see this top out This may be the year where we say okay smartphones are they're now in laptop land, you know They'll go up. They'll go down as as trends come and go But just the idea of getting one isn't new for a large portions of the world Your growth markets are in India and and do a larger extent Africa, but that's about it Yeah, I wonder if the whole thing as you mentioned, you know having Used to be one laptop could last you for several years I wonder if the same thing would happen with smartphones because there's so advanced now that one smartphone could probably last you Several years as you mentioned and also as you mentioned like the growth area is in India and developing markets where a high-end $1,000 smartphone probably won't be as popular as like a really, you know affordable one Yeah, and they're talking about there was some analysts saying that it looks to them that Apple is going to stop the iPhone 10 Come out with a new version of it later this fall and replace it Which would be the first time that Apple doesn't Shift an older iPhone down in price but keep it in the inventory channel Which that I think would be an interesting move as well To say like we're just going to swap out models, you know, we may not keep Older models as our cheaper ones. They may they may be coming out with three new models every year. Who knows? YouTube CEO Susan would We're just that right posted some goals for YouTube Last night Thursday evening among the goals are improving enforcement of existing policies with a combination of machine learning and people Accountable for intent to review and harsher penalties for channels caught doing what they call something egregious That causes significant harm to our community as a whole in a separate announcement YouTube said it will start identifying Videos that come from state-funded outlets like PBS or Russia's RT. Well, man I am excited to hear that they're going to get better at not putting Diminitization things on content out of pure selfishness because it happens to DTS all time So apparently we're not alone there But you know what what did I the overall impact of this to me? Was that YouTube doesn't really have this solved but they're going to throw resources at it and keep trying to get better Yeah, I mean over the last few weeks It's like we've gotten you know quite a few statements from YouTube like hey We know things are wrong give us a chance give us a couple days Take down a you know a video here in there, but it seems like the strategy is coming together Maybe on the one hand they're they're saying trying to put a strategy together We're gonna get better at taking things down. We're also gonna get better at not taking things down that shouldn't have been taken down So we're good. We're gonna get better at all of it. We promise and we're throwing more people They got 10,000 people they say working on this now Nicole, what's your take on this? Well, I Don't know. I'm I'm in a I'm in a wait and see attitude. I just feel like if they've said this before There's a song and dance. They've done before I'm just like, all right show us just show it. Just do it Well, Roger double check me on this I don't think we've had a DTNS video monetized demonetized before it went up in a while now. Is that correct? The last show So I stand corrected the last show we had Was demonetized The takeaway is I think, you know, at least for me is YouTube huge company, you know successful You know well, you know utilized by the community and they're like, okay The machines don't actually do this well enough. We have to hire a bunch of humans, you know, until the machines are good enough Yeah, well until we're perceived at being good enough, right? So they throw machines at the problem and people are like, wait, you're false-positiving me all day long They don't throw the machines at the positive at the problem the advertisers get upset and say wait a minute our ads are showing up by these horrible videos and And and it shows the limits of machine learning right now It's machine learning is impressive when you compare it to where it used to be It's not impressive when you compare it to what humans can still do. Yeah Sony announced the cause her I will step down a CEO of Sony but remain as its chairman CFO Kenichiro Yoshida will become CEO of Sony April 1st So that's six years to the day since cause her I took over the image sensor company reported a quadrupling of operating profit in the Third quarter its highest Q3 profit yet For the first time since its launch shipments for the ps4 in the holiday quarter were down Year over year from 9.7 million in 2016 to 9 million in 2017 But the gaming division as a whole did very well. So they sold a lot of games, which is what they want to do Between that and the image sensors Sony did well the smartphone division did not do so well Sony still raised its profit forecast for the year ending March to 720 billion yen That's up from 6 30 billion yen And if they hit that mark it would be their best quarter in its 72 year history so When was the ps4? Originally shipped what year? 2013 Well, so I mean a little decline in holiday sales for a ps4 doesn't surprise me Well, that's that I think what people are looking at and saying, okay, you're flat on the air with ps4 You're you're down in a holiday quarter. That's huge being down in a holiday quarter is a big sign that we have reached the peak We we may have reached peak ps4 and like you say Sarah this Appropriate time for that to be in the cycle. I think a lot of people were wondering if ps4 pro would Extend the life of the ps4 a little longer than previous PlayStation cycles, but it doesn't seem like it will Nicole, do you do you do you follow this? Sony market much? I don't but I do want to mention a little bit about cause he rise stepping down He was transformative for a company that was down its luck and he basically Rescued it from the brink, you know He he invested heavily in the PlayStation business like he saw he sort of saw the Saw the wave, you know, and you know, they haven't done so well in a lot of their other areas Like their phone business wasn't so great and everything else But I think the fact that cars are like really double down PlayStation That would that will prove to be like the company saving grace Well, and Sony Pictures entertainment will be the other thing that will be his legacy We'll see maybe it'll turn around me I mean Everybody wants Amazon wants to own video, right? Then you know Netflix is a tech company based on video. You know, maybe Sony will be able to to Pivot that into something good Bloomberg reports that Intel will sell a majority stake in its augmented reality business It aims to offer smart glasses that connect with phones by Bluetooth later this year Taiwan's quanta computer is making the product order under contract Intel wants investors with strong sales channels or design Expertise. Yeah, that's that last part is what's really interesting about this Intel isn't looking for an investor because they want to make money off the sale What Intel wants is somebody who can do the parts of selling a product to consumers that it's not good at It's really good at enterprise supply chain for chips not great at selling headsets to consumers So they want somebody who who can have a sales channel or make this thing look really nice to consumers So that they can sell the chips to that company that they're spinning out. I think this is really smart Whether they'll actually come up with a cool headphone headset or not. It's a whole other question That's that that's the brave new world of augmented reality glasses, right? Like that's that's the I mean, it's so funny that, you know, Google started several years ago with glass and then we all went Gaga over it and then we sort of pivoted from that to virtual reality as a completely separate thing But now we're sort of like coming back into the AR thing with magically even all of that, you know All of these up-and-coming AR companies. So yeah Well, and and I think rightly so because AR is a is a use case that people can can see working more than VR VR is something where you you have to stay in place and you have to Have a have a need to be immersed AR can immerse you or not and you could you can move around in the real world with it But which I think gives it a little more flexibility. I saw somebody wearing snap spectacles in Vegas the other day And I was like, oh Wow, yeah, that's happening still yeah, we were somewhere I think it was at Universal Studios in December and we saw a snap spectacles machine and it looks so lonely. I Just you know, I think novelty aside, it's you know, Nicole you mentioned Google Glass as well It's like I mean, I want the glasses that make my life better They just still aren't quite there yet and and trust me folks We know that snap is not AR and we know that Google Glass was not even AR But these are these are head-mounted computer-oriented thing and so on the spectrum of this stuff I think it fits in and and and it shows that There's lots of different takes on the thing you wear on your eyes with a computer in it We don't know which one's gonna work yet If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines available on the Amazon Echo the Google Home and the anchor app Or as a podcast at Daily Tech headlines Dot com So Nicole you wrote up for in gadget a story about these AI Well, there's now an app that lets you put someone else's head on a body and Obviously the first use case was porn it started with a Reddit user who was using open-source machine learning libraries like TensorFlow with some Google images and stock photos to make this happen and Posted some videos with famous people's heads on porn star bodies But there's now an app that does the same thing So that you don't have to have any of that technical knowledge that that original reddit user had And people are starting to sit up and take notice, right? Yeah, so this blew up in December last year and motherboard first reported on it and it was this user called a deep fakes and he was just Using a machine machine learning at the algorithm that he just open sourced it from the web Very easy to crazy to do and he did and he sourced the Celebrity photos and images from the YouTube and Google stock photos like not not exactly, you know, hidden information And he just did it with like open source libraries and an open source neural network and just ran it and he did it now To be fair like these videos are not exactly like perfect, right? There are still artifacts. There are still errors But a lot of them are close enough, you know, and you only need to see like a few seconds of it today Oh, that's Jessica about when it really wasn't right? so that was the original one in December and just like a month later literally a month later and there's already an app that somebody else made using the same kind of open source software and Anybody can just use the app and just sort of plug in these Open source library codes and just let it run honestly and using all of these Ridderly available images and video of all these celebrities online and the worrying thing really I mean, of course, it's really bad when celebrities get it But it's really bad when like everyday people like you and me are probably also in it and the the more the most recent motherboard story that was published last week had to do with People scraping Instagram fees and scraping Facebook photo albums Again using these like internet scrapers, right? They said scraped all the images and They were able to mix a facsimile of something. I guess Close to it It's really worrying not just in terms of like obviously it's bad to have fake pornography out of all people Actually in it, but also the implications it has for fake video in general Like you can you can you just imagine some foreign nation state using this kind of technology to make a fake a video of a public figure or a you know a politician maybe president Trump saying something that he didn't actually say perhaps and you know Fueling the fake news machine that way. All right, so this reminded me immediately of The story we did last summer about Adobe and Lyre bird Both having apps that allowed you to take samples of someone's voice and Create a simulation of them saying things that they didn't say There's also a research team at the University of Washington that was able to create an artificial video Using a neural network to sink the mouth in a video to words that weren't from that video So their demonstration took a radio address that President Obama had said and Sinked it to video that they created of him that looked like he was saying it even though it was a radio address We never saw him say it right that was a safe way to demonstrate it because you weren't putting words that weren't his in His mouth, but the implication was I could put anything in the in this this mouth and make them say it now marry that with Lyre bird or Adobe where you can make someone sound like they're saying anything and Suddenly you can create an entire fake video now. We have machine learning that Can take a video of someone doing something? And put another head on it and so you can marry all that together and you've got a nightmare scenario, right? But here's the thing We've lived with Photoshop of images for decades and the fears when Photoshop first got good was well now Nobody's gonna be able to ever believe a photo Because because anything can be photoshopped has that turned out to be true in your estimation Well, there was that one picture of Witherspoon with three legs, but otherwise no, it's not it's usually not an extra I never really understood that but it was a bad Photoshop, but yes, I get what you're saying I'm actually surprised Just knowing that this technology exists, right and like yeah, it's not perfect yet But I am surprised that we don't get more excuses from people who are Recorded audio saying bad things or even video being like, you know, it's like I was hacked I didn't send that eat somebody have to me. I would never have done that He this was one of those programs that put my face on someone else's body and made me say things I didn't say and we'll probably see more of that Yeah, you know I attended in an AI round table like I think a couple weeks ago and These machine learning experts from all these tech companies were there and this question was raised about you know with all these like fake porn and stuff and The answers were given were like well in this specific use case You could use artificial intelligence to also be on the defending end, right? You could have Machine sort of detect these artifacts or detect something that's wrong with this video the same way like for example You probably tell if an image was photoshopped or not, right? Right like if you write it through a program say oh, yeah This was photoshopped, you know So you could you you could run programs to detect whether a video had been messed with right, but I think You can do that now. I think the worry is that It's a cat and mouse game, you know So if we detect it then they'll find a way to overcome it and you know back and forth back and forth I think that's kind of the concern right now But in terms of the current situation of fake video they're saying there is a way to sort of filter through it You can't you know a machine can probably figure it out if a video is fake or not Well right now you can figure out if a video is fake like let's let's let's make sure we set the expectation if people haven't seen Then themselves it's obvious that this is faked. It's good enough that you're like oh wow that almost looks like that's really That person's head But you can tell with your eyeballs whether this is done yet Yes, they'll get better and better to the point where maybe you won't be able to tell at first glance and that's when we'll get into the World we live in now with still images where you know Things are photoshopped all the time and if they're photoshopped in a way that doesn't fundamentally change the photo a lot of times Nobody notices. Nobody says anything unless Reese Withersburg does But if they are important photos The people our eyes are on this and they will say that is photoshopped Here's how you tell like it's very difficult to fake an important photo with with digital image editing Let's not even blame photoshop There's all kinds of ways to do this now and it sounds like Yes, people should be worried so that we are all paying attention and catching the things when they're faked But it's not like we won't ever be able to that will all just be living in a Philip K. Dick world where we don't know What reality is Right if you see a video of yourself saying something where you're like that's horrific I never did that. Just know that this technology But it is it is fascinating and it's another element Yeah, I mean I almost said it's another element where now we can't trust videos just like still images We have to be skeptical, but you could fake videos before it now anyway It's just you've got more tools to do it so that more people can do it Exactly well and and we had all these stories when liar bird and adobe came out with their software in the summer and Nothing happened like there have been no incidents of people and again liar bird is an app that anybody can use right? But there have been no incidents of someone passing this off in a convincing way that didn't get detected yet In fact, I don't think there have been any serious Attempts where people got caught doing it yet. I think it's not quite good enough yet. Exactly. It's just not there yet I mean that the word is yet though, you know, and I think that's why people have to be mindful of and saying Okay, it's not good yet But someday it might be and maybe we should be mindful of that. Well, and don't forget. They're also positive uses for this I mean these open source libraries exist so that people can experiment and come up with ways to do this And yes, we don't like the idea that somebody putting someone else's head on another person's, you know porn body But that isn't the only use of this, you know creating new Accessible structures using computer vision to help people with with visual problems. This can be used for that sort of thing as well Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories of vote on I'm a daily tech news show reddit.com and join in the conversation at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show What's in the mailbag there Sarah got an email from Brandon who's referencing a show two days ago I think when we were talking about Spotify's new service that was in Australia only and also only on Android He said there's one missing piece from your conversation that might explain why Spotify is testing a Pandora like service in Australia specifically last year Pandora left the Australian market to focus on its Pandora wasn't huge in Australia But obviously left a hole in an opening for a similar service Well, I think that about that That makes perfect sense Brandon. Thank you for for pointing that out on the other hand, it's not a very good test If it's not in competition with anything else, it's gonna do better than it would in other markets. So But it's also less, you know, it's less of an investment, right? Because you're like, you know, we got these people that you know would probably want to use this because they don't Necessarily have the first off from the likes. Yeah, you don't have to be like a million US users headed our app In fact, I think the the because Spotify hadn't really even advertised the fact that the app was live It was something like it had been downloaded a hundred and fifty times or a very small sample of folks And Pete Wells actually in our slack on Wednesday pointed out that they do a lot of tech testing in Australia because the Australian population is mobile It's an early adopter market and has enough similarities to both the UK and the US that it makes for good a B testing Plus if the population is a little smaller and if the product sucks, then you rolled it out to a smaller population It's not as much risk Which again would tie into this idea of like well if there's no Pandora for it to compete against Then that gives it a better chance of catching on and maybe what they're looking for is not to test success But to test how it's used Yeah, that could be as well Nicole Lee, thank you so much for joining us this lovely Friday And it was very nice to see you at CES a couple of weeks ago. Tell everyone where they can keep up with everything you do Well, you can just go to engadget.com to see the stories from myself as well as all of my colleagues Excellent and follow her on Twitter at Nicole Let's check in with Len Peralta who has been illustrating this episode Len. What do you got? Uh, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay. Sorry. I have to do a restart I'm gonna jump back to last week where Tom your name was misspelled At some point during the show as with two Rs. Maybe two T's Which let me down the path. So if it was misspelled I was probably missing one of those exactly so Which you know, it was a very tricky subject today because I didn't want to necessarily get into the whole revenge porn thing But I did think that Tom as a public figure you are would be vulnerable to this sort of thing and That's what this drawing does. It shows that it is Tom with two M's one R Presenting the Daily Fake News show I Love it. I was like, who is that? Wow, does Tom, you know, like well exactly There's an image of you in here Sarah saying that you're getting the feeling. It's not really Tom and Roger saying hashtag There's something really I something's happening with Tom right now as a matter of fact. Yeah, no, it's it's totally me I don't know what you guys are talking about good old Tom with two M's Careful because you are vulnerable for this with this and and and this just depicts that that just be careful Who you get your news from make sure it's always from Daily Tech News show and not from Daily Fake News It's funny with with the facial hair. It almost looks like Zombie I as actor has been So, you know I go check it out folks Len Peralta store Com if you want to take a look at it see what it looks like maybe even buy a copy for yourself He's got digital prints as well as physical prints there. 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Well, it's Hard to explain but Roger, what should we call this show? Don't put mouth on my words Someone else's head on a porn body Daily Tech news show Another one I saw this believe ones that know Smartphone manufacturers fail at planned obsolescence That's overstating it Also, they don't do planned obsolescence. Don't put don't put mouth on my words Tom. Don't put mouth in my words You put your peanut butter in the chocolate Chocolate remember that commercial. Oh, yeah, don't put words in my rendered mouth. That's another spin on that Hmm Come on, what do we got? What do we got? I want to bring a headline I like don't put mouth on my words. Don't put mouth on my words I mean, I like the Tom Merritt one, but you know assuming that you don't want that one. That's my second favorite Yeah, I that one could in fact confuse Right. Yeah Don't put mouth on my words will also confuse people but not with any negative consequences Don't put mouth on my words Yeah, daily fake news show is almost like someone might be like was the intern drunk Loaded this or if you don't know the show, you're like, that's horrible. Why are they doing an entire show about fake news? great My print so No, that's fine. It's fine in your print. I love it in the print Love it with a yes, I did draw myself in the bottom of the This is probably obvious to a lot of you But I found a really good use for you know who our favorite echo device lady Which is I say How do you say I'm tired in French and then she says here's how you say I'm tired in French And then she's got a real nice French accent and then she says I'm tired in front Well, I was worried that that would happen And there you go, that's not even a very good accent Tom Well, I thought it was cool. Yeah, that is cool. I hadn't actually thought to do that What is your what is your Twitter account? Oh, it's just Nicole You know how I remember that I always remember that I never forget Nicole's Twitter account It's just Nicole like just Veronica. Yeah, yes, like Veronica. Yes Nicole was the first person I followed on Twitter ever No, and you would Nicole having been on Twitter as long as you have do you find it to be a blessing or a curse to have so many people? probably Misdirect other Nicole tweets to you. Yes, that is that used to be an issue But recently Twitter added a little Option in their settings where you could select only to have people only to be notified when people Who follow you? Show up in your notifications and that has saved me By having from having like a hundred and thousands of like the random a at Nicole were just not me at all Oh, those people talking about Nicole Richie. Oh, yeah, or whoever, you know, I don't know Nicole I used to I used to get it. I get it a lot less I used to get because it's that Jolly Roger people would because they went to a bar or something called that Jolly Roger They got just a great time playing darts and shooting but like no That's in my place or for shootball. Well, so even gotten it because there are other Sarah Lane's Yeah, I am I use tweetbots, so I don't you know I can filter out stuff very differently than the actual Twitter experience, but yes ballerina's porn stars You know, I'm in good company. I have never gotten a fake ace detect Hmm, and what about Tom Merritt are there other Tom Merritt's what are the other Tom Merritt's? Yeah, but I don't I don't really pay attention. I have the Tom Merritt account on Twitter Yeah, I don't really pay attention. Yeah, the the other Len Peralta on Twitter and social media YouTube is is a woman Who is a party planner? What one of the other Tom Merritt's is Scientists from Houston who lives or did live last I knew in Oxford. I actually got to meet him at a UK meetup That's cool The one time that my note mentions blew up actually was when a an actress in a Brazilian soap opera by the name of Nicole I guess died in the soap opera. I guess She just she died and my mentions basically non-stop Just in in in Portuguese. I'm guessing just a foreign language I didn't understand and this was like a full flood of it. I said what is the heck is going on? And I just I learned that you say that because I have a friend some of you might know her Helena Dagmar her Twitter handles Helena and She in Brazil there was some like actress or whatever in some soap opera that like something happened that was like, you know a really big deal and She like rocketed from like 5000 followers to like 500,000 oh my god, because everyone just thought that that's who it was. Yeah Still it was Brazil and it was not So weird the character died right not not the actress Right Well, but I think people were adding her because the actress's name is Helena. Oh Gotcha. I don't know it was it was it was This person is probably not gonna tweet if they're dead The character something I don't even know if someone died I'm gonna start following that person Remember it's not the following. It's the at-reply. It's the mention. Gotcha. You don't even follow. It's like, oh my god I can't believe Nicole died Hey, hey, wait a second. I'm still here guys. Exactly. Nicole's like Yeah, you know When comic book artist Len wine died at the end of last year, I got I didn't have a crazy Twitter thing, but I did have some private messages sent to me like are you okay? I saw Len all these people knew him. I thought you would Know it's not me. It's not me You know when Tom Hanks was rumored to be dead. I got nothing like that I When did Tom Hanks have a room where he was dead? Oh, you didn't hear it. There was a There was a big twig it was one of the early like Twitter memes were like Tom Hanks died. No, he didn't I remember when Mr. Bean everybody thought mr. Bean died. Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure the character Good question Rowan Atkinson that was someone it was someone I could sit her in black outer, but you know RIP RIP Rowan Atkinson someone had a tweet and it exploded after that with the person the hashtag what they meant to do with a hashtag was really inspiring person so they Yeah, I don't know that's either like a trolling move It's like my mom who thought lol was lots of love for yeah, right, right? It could it could I think it go either way it would just depend you'd have to see the person Mom's get wrong but like who told them that they just they all assume that you know you you love the one another. Yeah, I Love the internet, you know, it's the internet's a beautiful place It's funny I am I saw Jonathan Colton this past week. Oh cool He came to town and he was talking about the internet and here's someone who was born out of the internet, right? His whole career was born out of the internet and he was telling you we were talking about how much the internet is an awful place and He hates it. It didn't used to be that bad. I think Jonathan always had a healthy Skepticism about how good it was for any of us, but but it used to be much better. Yeah, no You know and I say that but then I'm not sure I believe that I think it's just there are so many more people on it The percentage is probably the same as it's always been but when it was you know a few thousand people on use net The impact is as much well I think what it is is is what is your overall feeling after using the internet do you feel better? I Always feel kind of down kind of like you know this weird on we that well cuz I don't know It's not like it doesn't matter if if 10% of a hundred people tell you you're you suck That's 10 people right. That's a lot if 10% of a thousand people tell you you suck That's a hundred people. That's depressing. I Don't even think about it like that. Yeah So it's it's like it could be the same percentage But you know a few years ago. It was like all this one guy said a thing now It's like a hundred guys horrible thing, but it's still not I Have a theory about that and I think it's because it's text and it's not Verbal because text is just sits there on a screen. You just staring at it Yeah staring at it staring at it. You can go back and see it and there's no time Well, there's no time but more importantly, there's no discourse, right? There's no conversation and so what you do is you concentrate on what was said Well, there is there is conversation, but it's not live So that to your point you concentrate on what was said because you're waiting until you respond you're letting it mold It just ends like that and that Respond, I mean, that's the problem is that then you respond with an angry thing that gets misinterpreted and then they Escalates, but I think even there's that passive idea of the internet where you're just reading things and you're reading it and you're taking these things in I see like Someone was yelling at you. It would be like, okay, that's antagonistic They might gently say something to you that you don't want to hear but you know, there's that approach Text is just like you're just like whatever mood you're in you're gonna take it how you take it, right? If I if Sarah says that and I go shut up Then yeah, whatever that's like right, but if I go shut up And I like scream it well, you have that's what you have to put a gift along with that text. Yeah Or like an emoji or something just have a shirt. That's that slash s for sarcasm. You just point to it. Oh, yeah There you go. Oh, yeah, the old sark mark. We talked about that years ago Or just spell up you you you pee and then I'll be like ha ha that was funny Um Guys Hardware stuff to figure out Tom if you and I are gonna do this thing See you All right, if you last work for bouncing out a little early on Friday No, we're on get back to it. Everybody keep an eye out For mailbag the show from DTMS labs coming shortly. We hope yeah, we want you to watch Interact and you know tell us what you like and don't like Wasn't internet weird at all. Yeah, you had a couple of weird hiccups because you guys did too. Okay. Okay. I used a different solution that We'll go ahead and stop the live stream though. Thanks everybody. All right