 Great, so it is four oh one and seeing a quorum. I'm going to go ahead and Start this meeting So I'm gonna first perform a sound check to make sure that you can be heard and here So Anika Yes Alex Great, and then we also have Craig DeCarlo from Colliers Yes, great We have one attendee today in the public at the moment So pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 this meeting will be conducted via remote means Members of the public who wish to access the meeting can do so by clicking on the live link to this zoom meeting That can be found on the public meetings calendar of the town of Amherst website or by dialing in my phone The public is able to comment during the public comment segment of the posted agenda by raising their hand This meeting is being recorded and will be posted to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. So with that done The first item that we have on our agenda for today is approval of the minutes of May 6 of 2022 If folks had a chance to review those, I would take a motion to approve those minutes Move to approve And second Thank you. Any questions comments changes to the meeting minutes? No, okay here in none Anika, how do you vote? Yes, and Alex Yay Okay, and Alex Lefebvre is a yes Moving on to item number three, which is online comments platform so Uh, one of the things that we've talked about is collecting feedback from the comment We've been doing it physically in person, but also having a methodology for doing it online um So a couple of things that we were talking about um the UMass The folks at UMass who have the community participation tools and the town previously used these when they were looking at Kendrick park and they used both the tools so, um, Christine Gray Mullin and I both met with Two of the people from UMass and they're they're great. It was super exciting to talk to them And so one of the tools is called well, we we named it when we use it for Kendrick park We called it Amherst talks And it's essentially a small town social network So it's an asynchronous engagement platform Where the public can share their thoughts and interact with in this case the outreach subcommittee The way that it works is to access the site Somebody would need to either register with a password or they could just link it to Facebook Instagram or some other social media account that they have that's existing And it can be used for like specific poll questions if we want to put poll questions out to the public Specific choices if we get to a point where we're looking at, you know, color palettes or design choices where there's actual Choices versus right now where it's more open-ended And then also to the extent that we want to have Engagement questions And so I'm going to share my screen here So one of the things I shared in the packet that probably nobody had a chance to look at yet And I apologize. That's completely my fault Is a draft community engagement plan if we work with UMass and so the summary is just basically the building project The relevant documents are the building project website page the draft schematic design A link to the video presentation by the architects of the latest draft schematic design And then the draft timeline that's been put together by colliers and so You know, these are potentially initial engagement questions and these are the questions that Were come up with that people I think colliers came up with in conjunction with Everybody else about sort of these are the things that we're seeking in terms of information And then um, I just had them add that, you know, should Jones library have gender neutral bathrooms And should we use cross laminated timbers because those were two things I knew about that were currently being discussed um So I guess the question Is Do we do does anybody have questions about do we want to use this as a tool? um Do people want to take time to look at the engagement questions or do we send these over and Have them get started and see what they come up with. I guess I'm just sort of throwing out to the group You know how we want to proceed I think it would be interesting to have them get started. It seems like, you know I mean, we need it as as much as we as we can as many mechanisms as we can to engage with the public so Um, I personally I don't see a reason to hold off great Yeah, I guess my only question is if this is a umass hosted thing will they also be sharing it with umass lists of Like if students or residents or professors or residents will they also be sharing it with their own lists? Yeah, no, that's a great question. Alex. So it's actually I wasn't very clear in the beginning. Sorry. So, um There are students doctoral and fellow students at UMass who are working around citizenship participation tools utilizing digital technology And so their thought is by creating sort of small town social networks They're trying to engage different groups of people that might normally come to public meetings And so this would be a site. This would be our site that we would control Who it goes to how it gets out there how it's used what so it's it's It only involves UMass in the sense that we are engaging a group of students who are Doing this work around their their doctoral and fellowship studies um, but everything else is controlled by us and like I said The town used it once already on Kendrick park and it looks like The number of people who used it were like maybe 15 or 16 people. It wasn't a lot, but it was successful and well received um I From my own sense of looking at it. I think It especially has value if we were to create something specific for say the teens Because the teens I think would have no problem engaging on sort of a social media platform where you Put up pictures or put up ideas and that they get to respond to Is that answer your question alex? totally, um, you know, I think the The one Yes, and like I think that this is wonderful and like was said earlier that Using as many modalities as possible is great. Um, I also just know, you know, the tremendous amount of effort it can be to create Content and like once content stops or lags that it's very hard to maintain engagement um, and so if I want to be thoughtful of like how How do we roll this out in a way where there's like a steady stream of content? And maybe if colliers had an idea of like where it would be most impactful in the plan um So that it's not a long drawn-out thing, but it's something that people are signing on to every day for a week and you know We're able to hammer out those sort of things if that makes sense Greg, did you want to comment? um, that's actually uh, zander's got a great point, you know um I think there'll be some over the next say two months. There'll be some periods of intense Inquiry Where the design team will be looking for feedback. Um, and there will be lots of content coming out images drawings, you know draft Drafts of different presentation materials But that's that high Frequency won't be sustained for a long period of time. And so yeah, maybe maybe it's like a sprint right now um And then, you know, you close close things down or or let everyone know like hey check back in And then throw a date out or a month out more content available then Okay, so that I think I think that the two could work well together And I'd also imagine if and I think that this was said in previous conversations about this platform that Like many others there can be, you know schedule posting so You know as to avoid loads Or you know as as Frank said to kind of communicate You know check back at at this time and the other What I also think is great about this is it will allow people who Are there, you know, do not have the time to tune into these meetings or make it to events to be able to communicate on their time And when is convenient for them? You know, so I'm you know, I'm hopeful that this could broaden our audience and Last from my recollection. I think that this group was like specifically interested in working with this project You know feeling that You know, we would be a good tester so to speak So the other tool that we talked with them about is called community click um and so it's a novel real-time feedback system Where residents can anonymously provide their thoughts and reactions as meeting happen meetings happen and the thought is You know when people are watching a meeting many people have things to say But don't necessarily want to raise their hand and speak publicly Which is really the only option sort of in the current, you know meeting setting And so what would happen is if we were to use the tool the public when they sign on to the meeting A link and a qr code would be displayed on the meeting screen And then if the public wants to they can click on that, you know on the same device which opens a second screen or on a phone or separate device And then We would we would put up sort of whatever we want So we could have anything from people saying like, you know, I love this. I don't like this. I'm confused I don't understand. I have questions to you know, whatever sort of the range of feedback is that we're looking for from people And then it actually time stamps all of the comments for when they're being given so What um what we had talked about was maybe On may 27th. I believe it is you tell me if i'm wrong craig that the architects are going to be Coming with the first schematic design and talking about the gender neutral bathrooms Yes, I have both a design a layout update and now also some more information on the the gender inclusivity On the 27th So an example might be, you know, if we wanted to specifically take the pulse of people around, you know, gender neutral bathrooms We could set up that design meeting so that You know, basically when people are watching that portion that can be clicking on what they're hearing, you know Either i'm confused or I like it or I don't like you know, whatever it is. So That's a tool that we could use In either the jlbc meetings the design meetings Or we could save it for a virtual event So for example, if after we get this first set of schematics, we want to have a virtual event where We present sort of the status of designs and where they are then that we could use it for that So I mean there's lots of options. It's just How people want to use it if people want to use it I'm always for making it easier to yell at us. So yes, I think we should use it The on the other thing that the network One idea that comes to mind is also going back to uh each group of people that was running a station at the At the big open house at the jones and asking them specifically what They would want to use it for now and whom they'd want to send it to as a way to empower our It's like I don't want to call them subcommittees, but um each group of folks to like really Start asking those questions so I could imagine the teens If they want to narrow down some of like the information that they have or keep building out that list Who do they want to send that to as we're doing and that also would extend to This sort of traveling roadshow version of that of like if we're doing something in partnership with someone Do you also want to make this available? You know that week you can Ask or be the the content creators basically for our network And send it out to people that you want to to get involved as well and that might help us share the load Thanks, Alex Mika Any thoughts? I'm sorry. Yep. Anything you want to Just giving you an update. Yeah. No, I agree those are um You know those are I mean I agree with everything that everyone said right now all great points Okay, great um So one other thing that I've been working on with Matt Barubi at the library Is A padlet Let me share my screen again. So this is a padlet The nice thing about a padlet is Anybody can access it It's scary thing about a padlet. Anybody can access it So there's sort of two potential ideas. One is you know, these are You know pictures These are basically the tables, right that we had for the event and the pictures that we had And This would allow people to go on and they could you know, they could heart something They could add a comment like, you know, love the desks or whatever they want to do They also could upload their own pictures of library spaces that they like um And my thought was when we are places like the Amherst survival center or out at events The ginormous binder that I created while that was a lot of fun to create It's cumbersome and it's big and I think some people will want the detail that it contains of each section of the building project But I think other people might prefer sort of this Easier to view easier to navigate And it can be done this way or it could be done With the comments that we've received to date as sort of the starting point and then people adding comments versus pictures So a couple of things about padlet is that there are Three ways that you can create a padlet One is password protected. So it's hidden from the public We share it with who we want and the only way to get into it is with the password The second which is how this is currently set up is hidden from the public meaning like When I say public, I'm not I mean like trolls out in the internet is what I'm thinking of big public so we could share anyone we share it with can open it and Comment no password required and obviously that's a really low threshold which is nice We have the ability the library sends out a weekly blast to about 10 000 people So it I mean it's easy to distribute among people who are part of the library and then The last is it's public. It's open to all so anybody does an internet search and then can just go to town adding comments So those are different security settings and then also How people view posts so it can be a read only So if we want to provide a place for people to sort of land see public comments, but they can't do anything That's one option Or it can be What this is set up right now, which is to view an ad post So nobody can change the base that we have but they can add their comments They can heart and then they can add their own pictures, but they can't like change Something so if Anika adds a picture that she likes You know Alex can't go in and delete that picture, but you can part it or make comments about it Um, so this was just one other potential tool that we may or may not want to use so I throw it to you too to give me your thoughts I am I So I like the different options here. I'm I'm a big fan with any project, especially with engagement, you know An outreach to kind of be mindful of you know, I think you have like your skimmers swimmers and divers, you know Um, so and I think you know with a lot of folks like when you're in the weeds And it's your project like you're full on diver, you know And I think this really gives people the opportunity to you know, you can see it as a glance You know at a glance and you know, you have the opportunity to go um to go further in Um, and I think that sometimes the skimmers tend to get left out like those people you need to capture like in those first 10 seconds, you know Um, and they just they want to see it at a glance. So I do um Yeah, I like the idea that people also because there are so many images and there have been That people also, you know, have the opportunity to you know add theirs I like this Thanks, Alex Oh, I just also want to say I really like that framing. I hadn't heard skimmers swimmers and divers and I really like that So thank you for that nika. Um, I'm answer Nice the uh Yeah, I mean like this this makes sense. Um It very much reminds me of an old pinterest board. I used to have um, the I think the like in terms of the level of security or whatever uh I like the idea of it being um Invitable right where like people can share this link um For similar reasons then or then what I was talking about with the networks I think this would be another great tool to empower our partners to share with their list or their people um So I don't know if that's technologically possible, but just like uh, you know, for example the example that got up earlier about the Survival center, right? And like is this something that can be made available for folks to see there like not only at that event But like folks that they're in connection with as well Yeah, so yeah, you can copy the link we can send it to anybody There's actually a qr code if we want to use that in fact with the town The little boards that are all over town in theory. We could upload a qr code and people could access it that way Um, we can embed it on the project website. Um, you can email it. We can put it on facebook So it's we we can get out there. Anyway, we want um, do you guys have a thought about Just leaving it sort of picture oriented like this versus You know people seeing what comments we're gathering Is there an option to click to like instead of like forcing people like so they can they have the option to see the comments they want to Yeah, I mean one thing, um I was thinking about and actually this might be a good segue into uh, let's see where is this so this is these are the public comments that we've been collecting and You know, it's not as pretty as what we have up in some other spaces But you know, these are The comments collected to date. Um That we could make this document, you know So that people can real time just see the comments as they're coming in from people as well as the frequency and i'm gonna let um Craig give you an update about sort of what's what's going on here with the colors and the sorting and things Just so you guys know Certainly like so The design subcommittee is going to be they're they're doing a little homework right now and uh later this week on the 19th their goals to go through all the current comments and um make not necessarily make a decision on but Decide how each are going to be handled In general, they're looking at, you know, a couple different buckets. Um, where some the you know, it's going to be like Yes, that's already in our in our scopes. We're going to include that in the design Yes, we want to include that in the design Um, but it's not in there yet Maybe but you know, it depends on the feasibility I and and you know, maybe not because it doesn't seem either appropriate or attainable So that that first layer that first round of review is going to start it's going to happen What is that Thursday the 19th And then they'll hand that information so the things that are yeses You know strong yeses or or maybes Actually, maybe possibly even the uh, we don't think so will be handed up to the library building committee who will ultimately decide All right, this is the packet of comments that we want to give to find gold alexander to either incorporate immediately Confirm it's already incorporated or you know consider and look at the feasibility of So that's the current plan Yeah, and and craig's the one who actually identified these so craig went through the list and this list is updated daily um, so there Are 90 unique comments that he highlighted which uh, a frequency total of 273 comments and just So people have a sense. We are uh, currently as of yesterday at 840 Comments received to date so far that are on this chart. So Yeah, so so alex that actually I forgot to bring that up. So the the stuff that's in yellow review date is Prop 519 that's proposed 519. I was trying to Prioritize the items that I thought would um, the design team would most benefit from hearing now or soon Just based on where they are in the design process So it's not that the yellow ones are more important. It's just that they're more timely Right things like design of grounds furniture are things that don't have to be decided right this minute um yeah so That's where we are in terms. So my my thought was that we would put that padlet up Um for people and we could share it with partners. I think that's a great idea Alex um, and that we would start working with amherst talks about having the asynchronous that people we can As we identify questions. We want to Particularly ask people and then the community click we can decide which meetings we want that to be part of sort of a multi-pronged approach and then we continue to have the charts up at the library that are um continuing to get feedback on those uh daily so Living next to the library. I literally go over daily take a picture of them and compare them and update the chart. So um Yeah, anybody else Questions or comments about online platforms thoughts If we could not use the word asynchronous I think as a parent of three young people coming out of distance learning. I would like to not hear that term ever again Okay, that's fair I feel like I also share that trauma here you Alex Okay, so um item four on our agenda is um the keeping the community informed um, so um Do people have thoughts about? The comments that we the public comments that we just looked at like do we It's not a very exciting looking document. I realize but um, like do we want to just put that out? There is a view only that's linked to our project sites and people can see things real time or does that make sense? Okay, um great. Uh, and then um Uh next thing the informing the public Is where is it? Where is it? Uh, here maybe? All right navigating where things live. Yes. Okay. Um, so this is potentially an inaugural project newsletter so the conversation is uh, perhaps while we are In schematic design, which is the busy busy time. Maybe this is a weekly newsletter Um, and then as we move into design development, maybe it's every two weeks And then as we move into the project, maybe it's monthly, but the idea being Uh, something where people can quickly the skimmers Can quickly come see sort of what's going on. Um, so this is just an idea draft people can feel free to tear it apart. Um, but um Craig sort of helped put together um, you know, just sort of some key dates in the project timeline So this isn't everything, but it might be things that people want to know And then there are embedded links to the actual project timeline letting people know about upcoming outreach events Where they can link to share a comment with us. I don't know what that really what, you know, what we're working on What's coming soon? um And then just kind of an update so right, you know Here was our May 1 event. Here's how many people came how many comments we collected Last week, you know, we did the get out and play event with Amherst rec. We went to the senior center open house You know, and as of May 16th, you know, we have uh, we're up to 820 comments And then maybe a project update like May 9th You know, the architect started on the plans. Here's a link to the current schematic design This is what happens in schematic design. Here's a link to the building program You know, we're collecting feedback through July 1 You know top trending public comments for the week people can kind of see what's surfacing up to the top um, and then upcoming public meetings ideally with links and then maybe sort of what the topics are to again Help people are like, oh, I really want to hear about that item yeah I love this and I think it works better than even a full out like the calendar that We had talked about because I think it's important to have something fresh and You know something that changes weekly You know, I love the trending the top trending public comments You know, there's just a lot that I think anything that is put out that people feel like oh, I have to keep You know, I have a reason to come back, you know um, yeah, the the upcoming public meetings I think this this is great and it's easily shareable. That's that's um, that's what I like like we can, you know That'll you know, of course sending this I think this will this will work nicely Sending out to all of the volunteers as well and kind of getting people prepared to to look for it and you know share it on as as meant to as many networks and All of us and partners as possible great I'm getting a thumbs up from Alex. That's good. All right. Um, great. So Craig you have any thoughts? This is your first time seeing it I think it looks great. I think the uh being concise With links to more in-depth information is the exact right way to go Okay Yeah, and then there's a link to the project website at the top and I and I think too like as we get other tools going whether it's the padlet or the Amherst talks, I mean they can all be embedded in LinkedIn here. So Okay, um great, uh So I think that's it for the keeping community informed unless people have other ideas or thoughts about Things they want to do No, just really inspiring and impressive amounts of work Thank you Um, it's what you know as long as as long as they don't allow me in the school building, you know, this is I'm not baking with children, but I I am I am having fun around the library. So yeah, you're making up for it Exactly. Um, so item number five is next outreach events. Um, So I still don't have times from the town on the Olympia oaks in the village park I have dates but not times. I know there's League of Women voters The same day as the Olympia oaks and their meeting crest. I don't know if it's the same or I can tell you that I think Okay, I'm speaking too soon. I don't know why this computer just froze Okay, I don't know what just happened but as soon as it has it on freezes I may have to send this to you after but I know I did just I did just see an email about that that includes Oh, maybe I got maybe I got it too and I just haven't looked at it yet I don't know if you have to do a counseling now may have but you may have you may have as well If you know, I'll add it to the newsletter. So, um, Saturdays nine to 12 We're gonna start tabling with the Friends of the Jones. Um, outside the Amherst farmers market We'll do that through July one at least and then decide, you know, once we're through schematics sort of how we want to keep doing that um, I met with um, Marcella from Amherst survival center Such a good partner. So, uh, we can start tabling We can table anytime we want but the thought was to do it Thursdays from 11 to one That's when they tend to have a good group of people that come through They're providing us with a table. Um We may want to look tapestry health comes once a month on Friday So it might make sense when tapestry is coming to sort of table on the same day with them They have also offered us on Thursdays. Um, the survival center is open late, but their cooling station closes at three So we could do Uh an event at the survival center Basically any Thursday, uh between three and seven so and they'll advertise for us. They'll, you know, get out the word for us So if we want to host An event there, um in person we can Um We're in the works with applewood. I know it's going to be a saturday I just don't know which saturday yet and we've reached out to green leaves. We're waiting to hear back from them Because of the upcoming events Um, and then I know we talked at one of our meetings about having a virtual event for people um And I wasn't entirely sure what a virtual event looks like Um, but I thought again, maybe once we have the first schematic back from Feingold after may 27th Maybe that's the time to do a virtual event and then we could present sort of the latest schematics and What we're wrestling with or what decisions are ahead Is that like a forum staff? Yeah, I think so I think so I just I have no idea what's coming so it makes it hard to plan we Yeah Craig do you have any thoughts about that I mean about us Sort of doing a virtual event with whatever Because there's going to be multiple schematics like Like we have the ones from october 20th. We're gonna uh, you know One now and then like we're going to get it again and again. I don't so I don't know Right and so that design is going to be Evolving and I I can't remember who was in this forum or one of the other meetings we talked about It's not likely that there's going to be here's layout a here's layout b here's layout c which one do you like best It'll be more like Here is the latest layout We'll get comments feedback The design team will respond to those Here's the next version more comments more feedback Respond to those and so it'll be like an evolution of plans. So after may 27th Yes, we should have some fresh layouts that uh, sort of the latest and greatest for people to take a look at and in react to Right. Okay So then if it makes sense, I can reach out to the library about You know scheduling a virtual event after may 27th Um that we can start advertising for um And then do people have thoughts around the survival center if we do a In-person event at the survival center like do we do a mini version of what we did at the library? Do we do? Something different. I mean people have thoughts about what that might look like or should look like Is there one table? Let me say it would be there would be a table there So we can table every thursday we could table every day if we wanted but I mean I was speaking once a week So we can table and there are two things actually that we could do sort of weekly One is we could take that padlet say on an ipad or a computer And then people who are experiencing homelessness who are using The cooling station we could go in and have one-on-one conversations and get feedback from them But then we can also outside and people are collecting Um, you know lunch and the fresh produce and things from outside We would be at the table to be collecting feedback from them But then the survival center is offered if we want to have an in-person event where we invite people to come Like set up at the survival center like we did at the library That we could have an actual in-person event where we invite the community Into the building If we want Or maybe I don't know I think probably if it was A coordinated maybe I mean maybe if it was coordinated with I guess one of what I'm assuming that Thursday is You know a popular day I'm not I'm not sure or maybe like around when when the survival center Is is doing something that would attract more people than An average or are they would know I'm sorry. I don't mean to babble. I'm just trying to think of like How how would that be planned it would just be it's like Thursday just the regular day up at the survival survival center So the way that their schedule works is Wednesday, they're closed for an office administration day and Thursday is the one day that they're open late And then they're open one Saturday a month and so Going weekly. I mean this time of year They're just they're they're getting busy now regardless Usually sort of Thursday Fridays or their busy day usually a month is their busy day Busiest times, but the reality is they're just seeing a constant flow of people right now So it didn't sound like it mattered a whole lot And then the 11 to 1 made sense So I guess the question is You know, we did the in-house at the library Like do we just want to do little targeted events like farmers market tabling at the survival center You know the outreach at the apartments or do we want to have another sort of event like we had at the library but Hold it north Amherst, you know at the survival center. So pre-pandemic Um, right because you both moved here during the pandemic So pre-pandemic it was not uncommon for Events to be hosted at the survival center And it didn't necessarily have to be a survival center event because they have a beautiful space where people used to come together Any lunch every day, but that hasn't happened since the pandemic So it's just a space in north Amherst if we want to have an in-person event On a larger scale rather than just sort of these targeted smaller events But I mean, maybe we don't I don't I don't know. I don't know people's feelings Whether we just sort of stick with targeted events at this point I think oh, I'm sorry. I just want to try so the the league of women's voters event that is from 3 to 5 p.m Is that the same though as what I'm trying to figure out is that so Jennifer moisten had said that So there's the event there's olympia oaks butternut and village park Events with crest and the olympia oaks butternut is on the same day. And so I don't know if crest is just I don't know if earl miller is just like everywhere All the time Huh 22nd. Yeah So, um, well, I think that this this one. I know last night it was announced that I think they were waiting for confirmation, but it would be both earl miller and the new Director for the dei program Right, right Yeah, I just don't know whether the event that jennifer was telling us about like a month ago that we put on the calendar Is the league of women or whether there's a separate town event? That's actually because I For the crest that's league of women voters No, I know, but there's also town was taking crest out to the apartment complexes So that's why anyway, so I have I I have a follow-on is if they told us this is at grove park pavilion Exactly, which is why I thought they were separate events But they sound very similar because there's food and music and crest. So Yeah, I know I mean, I just saw this one was announced by the league of women voters last night and so So separate. I mean, I don't know confirm with jennifer, but I'm pretty sure it's the same one Okay, all right good Like I think in terms of having a big in-person event at this rival center like it makes sense It sounds like there is sort of two just thinking about Sorry, my background is in campaign. So I think of things in like campaign arcs and narratives And it sounds like there are sort of like two major Escalation points for lack of a better term when schematic one comes out and when schematic two comes out and I think You mentioned for at least one of those doing an online forum style thing And I think it would make sense for the other one to be at the survival center, right and doing a big event then That way we can also at all of these smaller events Drive traffic of like Come see your comments in action when we release the first schematic at the survival center on whatever date we expect that to be Come, you know, and then see and then join us again on the internets for blah blah blah Great. How far in advance will we know when new schematics are coming out for us to be able to in advanced plan events So we'll have a new some new drawings on the 27th, and then you'll probably have updates for the following three or four weeks At Or maybe every other week But then That'll be by then will it be at the end of schematic design and we'll be rolling into design development, which At that point the layout is pretty well locked down But now there's lots of other, you know, those other decisions that we were talking about will come more into play So as far as drawing layouts, we'll have one on the 27th possibly two weeks after that another kind of update It will be pretty fast pretty, you know rapid tempo To say the least but um And then after that it basically every time the design committee design subcommittee is meeting Uh, I believe that final Alexander will be invited and you know, some new it'll be an opportunity for them to show off some new information And solicit more input And just remind me The 27th is there an event already scheduled As far as I know, it's just the design subcommittee meeting. So that's But that's the one that find gold Alexander said, yes, we will have some New information new designs Uh to sort of show off to showcase at that point So could the event be that that I know all these meetings have been virtual but um Um Either could that event be that like we're driving people to the 27th design committee To see the unveiling and that's our online thing um, and then we're meeting at the Uh survival center the week or two following that um, like you said craig because there's going to be another round of Drawings that are coming out every week or so Yeah, and actually now I think about it. We probably won't like every other week I think that's the temple of the design subcommittee meetings. And so that's the temple that Alexander is going to be aiming to provide information Yeah, I mean alex, that's what I was thinking was using the community click at that may 27th meeting So driving people to that meeting and then they could you know Now the problem with problem the Fly in the ointment is the design meetings are like fridays at 9 a.m. Which I know I can never attend that meeting um So that's you know One issue with the design meetings Ultimately, though, correct me if I'm wrong will They then be presented craig to our full jlbc meetings, which are 430 meetings Right, there'll be um to go from schematic design into design development There'll be I believe they're going to be one one big presentation at a library building committee meeting To get the thumbs up to move on to the next phase But we won't get the iterations at the at the whole building committee. We won't see the there won't be a presentation No, I don't just be the sort of the latest the greatest Okay If there are significant it's tough to tell, you know, if there are significant changes they may find old alexander may think it's most Um Helpful to do kind of like a before and after this is where we were this is where we ended up and they sort of explain why But that's not necessarily going to be the format So i was thinking was to have a separate event that was a maybe a time other than 9 a.m Yeah, I was going to say I wonder if uh, you know, it's like for the committee at 9 a.m. And for the public at 4 30, you know Yeah And I don't know that we'll get fine gold there, but maybe We have craig there and the library director and us and you know can Although I don't know. I mean we do we do a certain. I don't know whether we would have I guess we'd have to talk about whether it makes sense to have fine gold come to that meeting or not With the number of meetings that we have and how we want to use those Okay Yes, I think there there's potential to have them do A presentation to other than say the design subcommittee or the library building committee, but like you said there are sort of limited times and limited They have limited resources uh each presentation takes a whole bunch of time to kind of prepare for So yeah, I think if we use that strategically that would be appropriate Maybe we have them maybe we do a virtual event With them presenting the the final schematics For the public meeting like that might make more sense in terms of use of their time like when we get to that point. Yeah, yes Okay, any other thoughts comments ideas This is a great, uh It's a great plan so far a lot of work since last meeting It's it's it's pretty clear and solid Cool So we do have three attendees In the public if anyone would like to make public comment and you can Raise your hand and we would welcome thoughts comments ideas anything you want to share We're open to love to hear it Okay Seeing none I think the last piece is topics not anticipated by the chair I don't have any I did a brain dump. There's nothing left So our next meeting we'll meet again in two weeks if that meets forever if that works for everybody that would be the 31st at 4 p.m That work great. See you then. All right. Thank you guys. I really appreciate everything and thank you Thank you. Bye. Bye. Thank you all. Bye. Bye