 Good evening, I'd like to call August 3rd, 2020, Sleiport meeting to order. With us is Justin Lawrence, Paul Smith. I'm Brad Town, our assistant town administrator is with us tonight, Tom Bogowski, and our town treasurer, Diane Isabel. John Quinn will be joining us in 10 minutes or so. Okay, additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? Brad, I have two things. I sent you folks out today, a couple of alcohol permit requests, so you didn't need to convene a liquor board here sometime. And the other item is a contractor's payment request for the paying term fight more sewer improvement project. Public comment, hearing none. Treasurer's report, Diane. Okay, we have this preliminary audit coming up, August 27th, we have the first day of it. And that, like I said, is preliminary. Then after that, the audit itself will be on the 17th and 18th of September. And then everything should be completed at that point. So we will be in time to have our audit complete by the end of December, whenever things are done. And we do plan on having the auditors in the building all that they're going to be socially distanced. On the 17th and 18th, at least the 17th, normally there's three of them. I think one of them will be working remotely with the other two will be. And of course, anything else I have is in the agenda. Okay, thank you very much Diane. Thank you Diane. We're still looking at the permits, the vouchers. Who is going to be here tonight? He said he was, yeah. Okay. I talked to him before. Well, we're out on a date, we've got no one to hear. I think we can maybe talk about the police chief recruitment there. It really doesn't require anybody else. So, Dana left me with a draft of a advertisement for replacing the police chief. We also had some conversations with Trevor Whipple, who was the police chief at the South Burlington for many years. And now he's working for Vermont League of Cities and Towns. And I know Dana has contacted him prior to Dana's departure, and Trevor has offered his services to the board. Anywhere from writing of a job description to putting together an advertisement to being in the room when you are interviewing candidates. So, I don't know human beings about what's involved in a police chief. So I would suggest that this board consider taking Trevor up on his offer to help. Diane, how many applicants for the police chief do we have now? I don't have any. You don't have any? No. Have we even advertised it? Nope. It's not. I don't like some. No. All right. We've got one, because it's one in-house, but that's it. Yeah, that's it. And I don't have a copy of that. Okay. No. When were you going to post that? You want to talk to Trevor before we did. Oh, I was just seeing what the pleasure of you folks are. I would ask, of course, I'd ask Trevor to put together and let Bill look at it. And you guys need to approve that advertisement? Well, I'm not sure. We really would or not, but it wouldn't hurt to look at it. So you would approve it at your next meeting? Yeah. Okay, next meeting in August? Can you facilitate Trevor and Bill and you getting together? Yes, yes. We'll have something for you guys a draft before the next meeting and then hopefully you have enough time to act on it then. Was there anything on the police chief recruitment? You know where, or have you heard Dana say where he thought the best advertising spots would be for that? Trevor gave us a list of free locations and then four pay locations. And we think we'd have to take advantage of the free ones and you guys, if it's nominal costs, I could send that around to you guys. One was $100 base ads, $250, $200. And anywhere from $80 to $1850. No, there's no. Yeah. But he has like two or three in here that are free as well. Anything else on the police chief recruitment, Tom? No. Any questions for Tom on this? That they have, we haven't really delved into it yet. Come on, we just need to advertise it as soon as possible. I really hate to wait till the next meeting too. Okay. We do have this bid opening on 820. Yeah, let's do that then. We received one bid. I don't know what your protocol to open these days. Abort them. We have one bid from Connor Contracting Incorporated and the bid is from John P. Connor for a total cost of the job of $31,000. And the proposal is indicated as the repair of the wall in the town clerk's office. Was the insurance payment on that? Gosh, I think it was like 20 or 21. We'll see what Dana had. That was, I can call the insurance company and get familiar with it because Dana didn't give me the information. I really get very specific as to what they were doing. Do we have specs now? What are you doing? No, there's nothing specific other than just the basic bid form with the address and the amount and that it's a proposal to repair the wall in the town clerk's office for $31,000. But Dana put that out, did you put it with the insurances and whatnot? I don't know Brad, I don't know. But my sense is that this is the second time that bids were received, no? No. We had some estimates. Okay, maybe that's what it was. Because I think the prices were in that ballpark. We decided to put it out today to see what happened. That's probably what I saw. I think before we go forward on that, you need to get a hold of Connor and see what his insurance is at. For that. Because it does more damage than good. And we're gonna have to have some assurances that we're gonna have to pay for it. Not sure that I ever saw the scope of what the actual work was. I don't know if the door's unlocked or not. Do you hear it? No, as far as what went out to bid. Like what was, fixed the wall. I did notice it said page three of three. So I'm wondering if maybe it was sent with additional documentation that maybe was decided that we didn't need that as part. Is hanging in here? You think it's hanging in here? Is it kind of third time? Well, if John wanted to see the damage. Oh, I thought you meant wanted to see the document. No, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's the document that I was. I don't have it. It's price. I probably read it. I was glad to look in there, look in this office tomorrow and I can call the insurance company to see where we stand. So at least we know where we're at. Well, I think it was, when he put that bed, I think it was just a repairable wall. It was no roll there, rather bad. Nothing else I'll call John. Yeah, see what you're doing. Well, I'm kind of jumping around here. Wayne, come on down. Where do you want me? What do you want me to do today? I don't know. I'm going to bring my chairs. There you go. I think you're supposed to be a carless chair. I'm good right here. I'm good. So I wanted to come and voice my opinion. I wasn't able to come to the joint meeting a week ago or so. I don't know if you know or not, but we were brought in because of the property we own on Payne Turnpike and we were sold to buy into this town center and have our property be part of it. And then I didn't hear about it until the day of the meeting that we had been taken out of it. So I was disturbed by that. We looked at, I've looked this over. I understand that the reason that our property was taken out of the town center zoning was that there are wetlands that create a problem to interconnect all the parcels to be part of the town center. But why was the mall property, why didn't we look at the other side of the wetlands? I mean, what determined the fact that the town center should be at the mall? Because basically right now, this is a mall project. And as another note that I made was it says in here that under next steps that the Berlin mall's largest taxpayer in town, I wish that was true. But I happen to know that it's not. So why, who's determining this and how did we get there? That's my question. You had our phone number when you wanted us in but you forgot to call when we got tossed out. That's what it feels like. I think because it's a, this is still a draft document. And we did meet, you know, Karen Morrison, we were looking to put together a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with her several times and I sent to the select board in their packets of copies of the evolution of the of the new town center space. We as a, and it's just, this is the first one. So we, because of the size of Berlin of the maximum amount of acreage that we could, we could have in our new town center is 125 acres. So when we adopted our zoning last year. Good evening. I like to call August 3rd, 2020, select board meeting to order. With us is Justin Lawrence, Paul Smith on Bradtown. And our assistant town administrator is with us tonight, Tom Bogowski and our town treasurer Diane Isabel. John Quinn will be joining us in 10 minutes or so. Okay. Additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? Brad, I have two things. I sent you folks out today, a couple of alcohol permit requests. So you didn't need to convene a liquor board here sometime. And the other item is a contractor's payment request for the paying term fight more sewer improvement. Public comment. Hearing none. Treasurer's report. Okay. We have this preliminary audit coming up on the August 27th, we're the first day of it. And that likes it's preliminary. Then after that, the audit itself will be on the 17th and 18th of September. And then everything should be completed at that point. So we will be in time to have our audit complete by the end of December, whenever things get done. And we do plan on having the auditors in the building, all that they're going to be socially distanced. On 17th and 18th, at least the 17th, normally there's three of them. I think one of them will be working remotely with the other two will be. And otherwise that anything else I have is in the agenda. Okay. Thank you very much Diane. Thank you very much. I'm still looking at the permits, the vouchers. Who is willing to be here tonight? He said he was, yeah. Okay. I thought we were going. Well, rather than game, we've got no one to hear. I think we can maybe talk about the police chief recruitment there. It really doesn't require anybody else. So Dana left me with a draft of a advertisement for replacing the police chief. We also had some conversations with Trevor Whipple, who was the police chief at the South Burlington for many years. And now he's working for Vermont League of Cities and Towns. And I know Dana has contacted him prior to Dana's departure. And Trevor has offered his services to the board. Anywhere from writing of a job description to putting together an advertisement to being in the room when you are interviewing candidates. So I don't know human beings about what's involved in a police chief. So I would suggest that this board consider taking Trevor up on his offer to help. Diane, how many applicants for the police chief do we have now? I don't have any. No, have we even advertised it? We've got one because it's one in-house, but that's it. I don't have a copy of that. Okay. When were you going to post that? You were going to talk to Trevor before you did. Oh, I was just seeing what the pleasure of you folks are. I would ask, of course, I'd ask Trevor to put together and let Bill look at it. And you guys need to approve that advertisement? Well, I'm not sure. We really would or no, but it wouldn't hurt to look at it. So would you approve it after next meeting? Yeah. Okay, next meeting in August? Can you facilitate that? Trevor and Bill and you getting together. Yes, yes. We'll have something for you guys a draft before the next meeting and then hopefully you have enough time to act on it then. Thank you. Was there anything on the police chief recruitment? You know where, or have you heard Dana say where he thought the best advertising spots would be for that? Trevor gave us a list of free locations and four pay locations. And we definitely take advantage of the free ones and you guys, it's nominal costs, I could send that around to you guys. One was $100 base ad, $250, $200, and anywhere from $80 to $1850. But he has like two or three in here that are free as well. Anything else on the police chief recruitment, No. Any questions for Tom on this? That they have, we haven't really delved into it yet. All right, we just need to advertise it as soon as possible. I really hate to wait till the next meeting too. Okay. We do have this bid opening on 8.20. Yeah, let's do that then. You received one bid? I don't know. Will your protocol do open these days? Abort them. We have one bid from Conner Contracting Incorporated and the bid is from John P. Conner for a total cost of the job of $31,000. And the proposal is indicated as the repair of the wall in the town clerk's office. What was the insurance payment on that? Gosh, I think it was like 20 or 21. We'll see what Dana had that was. Yeah, $10. I can call insurance company and get familiar with it because Dana didn't give me the information. You're very specific as to what they were doing. Do we have specs out for the job? No, there's nothing specific other than just the basic bid form with the address and the amount, and that it's a proposal to repair the wall in the town clerk's office for $31,000. But Dana, put that out. Would you put it with the insurances and whatnot? I don't know, Brad. My sense is that this is the second time that bids were received? No? No. We had some estimates. Okay, maybe that's what it was. Because I think the prices were in that ballpark. We decided to put it out today to see what happened. That's probably what I saw. Thank you. I think before we go forward on that, you need to get a hold of Connor and see what his insurance is at for that. Because if he does more damage than good, then we're going to have to have some assurances that we're going to have to pay for it. Not sure that I ever saw the scope of what the actual work was. If it's not... I don't know if the door's unlocked or not. You hear it? No, as far as what went out to bid. Like what was fixed the walls? I did notice it said page three of three. So I'm wondering if maybe it was sent with additional documentation that maybe was decided that we didn't need that as part... You think it's hanging in here? You think it's hanging in here? Is it kind of first office? Well, if John wanted to see the damage. Oh, I thought you meant he wanted to see the document. No, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's the document that I was... I don't have it. It's correct. I think... I'm glad to look in there. I'll look in his office tomorrow and I can call the insurance company to see where we stand at, so at least we know where we're at. But I think it was... He put that... I think it was just to prepare the wall. It was no roll. I think it was rather bad. Nothing else I'll call John. Yeah, let's see what he got. Well, I'm trying to jump in our own here. Wayne, come on down. Where do you want me? Where do you want me these days? I don't know. I'm going to be in my chair, sir. I'm going to be in my chair, sir. I think you're supposed to be in Carlos' chair. I'm good right here, I'm good. So I wanted to come and voice my opinion. I wasn't able to come to the joint meeting a week ago or so. I don't know if you know or not, but we were brought in because of the property we own on Payne Turnpike and we were sold to buy into this town center and have our property be part of it. And then I didn't hear about it until the day of the meeting that we had been taken out of it. So I was disturbed by that. We looked at, I've looked this over. I understand that the reason that our property was taken out of the town center zoning was that there are wetlands that create a problem to interconnect all the parcels to be part of the town center. But why was the mall property, why didn't we look at the other side of the wetlands? I mean, what determined the fact that the town center should be at the mall? Because basically right now this is a mall project. And as another note that I made was it says in here that under next steps that the Berlin mall is the largest taxpayer in town, I wish that was true. But I happen to know that it's not. So why, who's determining this and how did we get there? That's my question. You had our phone number when you wanted us in but you forgot to call when we got tossed out. That's what it feels like. I think because it's a, this is still a draft document. And we did meet, you know, Karen Morrison, we were looking to put together a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with her several times and I sent to the select board in their packets of copies of the evolution of the new town center space. We as a, and this is the first one. So we, because of the size of Berlin, of the maximum amount of acreage that we could have in our new town center is 125 acres. So when we adopted our zoning last year, the planting fishing came up with this draft, which was 124.9. So we stuck everything in there until we could do a review. So the school property is right here and this green block is a wetland. And so the new town center has to be connected with roads and sidewalks. It has to, it has to have pedestrian access. So we were looking at a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. Met with Shannon Morrison, who is the regional wetlands specialist and she basically said that it would take a significant amount of time, effort and money to get a ADA approved walkway, American Disabilities Act walkway, approved to the school. And she said that what we saw shown as wetlands was probably limited at best. She said it likely comes out this way and then we should do more investigation. And so I know Wayne provided us with some wetlands delineation that he did on his property, which can show wetlands there. And so the thought process was is that for us to build roads or sidewalks into that section of the project, significant amount of money. So we came up with this version now. This is one that you guys saw at the meeting on the 22nd. And again, this is draft. This is just for everybody's consumption right now. And it does include some of the wetlands. If you remember, this piece here was going to be used in a new town center as a park, a viewing area. And so that's where we're at now. Tonya, who determines that it can only be 125? It's statutory. It's based on population. It's a statutory for the designations. So why did we decide? So can I just respond a little bit? And I totally get where you're coming from because we did draw it differently. We anticipated that we wanted to include as much land as possible. And I think in answer to your question as to why it includes the mall is because that's what needs to be redeveloped. You know what I mean? The idea of having a mall in this parking lot area is where the state wants to see changed. And does it help that the neighborhood, the NDA would go through, your property would, right, would be included in the neighborhood designation. What is it called? So it would still be included in that. Maybe we should sit down and talk about what. I was just shocked that they spent the time to meet with us three times to get us into it, but nobody called when they threw us out. And that makes absolutely no sense. For the planning commission's sake is that nobody from the planning commission saw this until our consultants came to the meeting and showed it to us. The next day it was in the paper. So we didn't have the ability to call people. Again, this is a draft. Right. I just wanted to go on the record that we would not support that draft. And while I was on the select board, we always said that no one came and voiced their opinion and I'm here to do that. And I just want to be perfectly clear how I feel about it. But again, I mean, I'm wondering if it would help if we sat down with you and with the consultants and talked about what the, I don't know what. So this is what's going to happen if it passes the way it is. If you're not within that area, you're not going to get active 50 approval because you're not in the zone. So those of us who have spent millions of dollars on property that's not any longer in it are going to be handcuffed. That's a problem. We either should be in it or we shouldn't have one. But what about the, I don't know what the benefits are. I don't think that's correct statement. Okay. Well, I hope you're right. Goodbye. So what the, there's a, Carla keeps mentioning a neighborhood designation area. And it's a quarter mile outside of this, okay? And it's for residential only. That's what Act 250 is looking at now. It's only residential. So a quarter mile outside of this area will be a neighborhood designation and that area will get, if Act 250 really occurs on the rest, we'll have it. So your property is definitely within a quarter mile so it would have it. And I understand what you're saying. But we had an appeal on the travel center from the Vermont Map of Resources Council because they called it sprawl. So if that sprawl, what is the new facility on paying term bike if it's not in the designation? So I was just. But again, it's in, it's in the, if you look at our zoning map behind Carla, this property or our town center zoning is bigger than 125 yards. It's a significantly bigger than that. The zone. Yeah. For the zoning district. Right. And so the new town center is a segment of that area. So in the new town center zoning district, it's reduced parking, higher density, higher buildings, a greater lot coverage. You have all of that. I understand all of that, but it means nothing if you don't get an Act 250 permit. But again, you act 250 if there is really, it's only on residential. It's not on. You have to build in a designated growth area. And this and the NDA is a designated growth area. Okay. We'll talk about, I just wanted to select forward to know how I felt about it because I didn't want to read in the paper that this has been approved and we haven't discussed it. So thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Sure. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Brandy, are you on the call? I am. Okay. So. Okay. We'll go to the place since. So I'm putting your packets of two documents that we really, for you folks to give some serious consideration to. The first one is this community investment. We have met last week with all the stakeholders in the currently drafted new town center zone have shared this document with them are getting their feedback and concerns. My takeaway from that meeting was that it was very positive. And we're gonna need to tweak this document a little bit but I think it's a couple of weeks out from being signed by a majority of the players. I don't know if the hospital will be there. They have a little higher bureaucracy than the other folks. But so we are going to revise this draft for the select board's review. I don't know if you want council to review it. Probably would, should. So Brandy, can you want to talk about the community investment agreement to where we stand right now? Seems like this language some minor adjustments is going to be workable for the partners. I think probably most of them are going to want to actually see the attached documents which are the application components that we put together before they actually sign it. But I think that we're going to get a commitment to the language in pretty quickly from everyone, perhaps, but the hospital as Tom said, because they do need to get various levels of review before they can do that. So that seems pretty good. So I think we're asking the same thing from what board will be who's one of the signatories that we've been from the other partners that you can't really review this language and if you have any questions or concerns we hash those out. So you guys will be seeing a draft here. A planning commission will likely see it before you folks. And with any luck, we would be asking you to give a blessing so we could send it to council. And get council's opinion on it. And maybe we could get a motion at next meeting that you approve it on with the councils with the law helpers blessing. The other document we have here is, may we follow that right now in town of Berlin to adopt or change any zoning regulations or? Good evening. I'd like to call August 3rd, 2020. It's like we're meeting to order. With us is Justin Lawrence, Paul Smith. I'm Brad Town and our assistant town administrator is with us tonight, Tom Bogowski and our town treasurer Diane Isabel. John Quinn will be joining us in 10 minutes or so. Okay, additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? Brad, I have two things. I sent you folks out today, a couple of alcohol permit requests so you're gonna need to convene a liquor board here sometime. And the other item is a contractor's payment request for the paying term fight more sewer improvement project. Public comment. Hearing none. Treasurer's report may be up. Okay. We have this preliminary audit coming up on August 27th, we have the first day of it. And that like says preliminary. Then after that the audit itself will be on the 17th and 18th of September. And then everything should be completed at that point. So we will be in time to have our audit complete by the end of December when everything is done. And we do plan on having the auditors in the building all that they're going to be socially distanced. On the 17th and 18th, at least the 17th normally there's three of them. I think one of them will be working remotely with the other two will be. And otherwise anything else I have is in the agenda. Okay. Thank you very much, Diane. Thank you, Diane. We're still looking at the permits, the vouchers. Who is we gonna be tonight? He said he was, yeah. Okay. I thought we were boring. Well, we're out of the game, we've got no one to hear. I think we can maybe talk about the police chief recruitment there. It really doesn't require. Sure. Anybody else? Dana left me with a draft of a advertisement for replacing the police chief. We also had some conversations with Trevor Whipple who was the police chief at the South Burlington for many years. And now he's working for Vermont League of Cities and Towns. And I know Dana has contacted him prior to Dana's departure. Trevor has offered his services to the board anywhere from writing of a job description to putting together an advertisement to being in the room when you are interviewing candidates. So I don't know the beings about what's involved in a police chief. So I would suggest that this board consider taking Trevor up on his offer to help. Diane, how many applicants for the police chief do we have now? I don't have any. No, I don't have any. No, have we even advertised it? Nope. It's not. I don't think so. No. All right. We've got one because it's one in-house, but that's it. Yeah, that's it. And I don't have a copy of that. Okay. When were you going to post that you were going to talk to Trevor before you did? Oh, I was just saying what the pleasure of you folks are. I would ask, of course, I'd ask Trevor to put together, let Bill look at it. And you guys need to approve that advertisement? Well, I'm not sure. We really would or no, but it wouldn't hurt to look at it. So would you approve it after next meeting? Yeah. Next meeting in August? Can you facilitate Trevor and Bill and you getting together? Yes, yes. We'll have something for you guys a draft before the next meeting and then hopefully you have enough time to act on it then. Yep. Was there anything on the police chief recruitment? You know where, or have you heard Dana say where he thought the best advertising spots would be for that? Trevor gave us a list of free locations and four pay locations. And we think we've got to take advantage of the free ones and you guys, if it's nominal costs, I could send that around to you guys. One was $100 base ad, $250, $200 and anywhere from 80 to 1850. No, there's no. Yeah. But he has like two or three in here that are free as well. Anything else on the police chief recruitment, Tom? No. Any questions for Tom on this? But they have, we haven't really delved into it yet. I don't know if there's anything to advertise on this one, it's possible. I really hate to wait until the next meeting too. Okay. We do have this bid opening on 820. Yeah, we'll see you at that. We received one bid. I don't know what your protocol to open these. Abort them. We have one bid from Connor Contracting Incorporated and the bid is from John P. Connor for a total cost of the job of $31,000. And the proposal is indicated as the repair of the wall in the town clerk's office. What was the insurance payment on that? Gosh, I think it was like 20 or 21. We'll see what Dana had that was, you know, I can call the insurance company and get your milly ready because Dana didn't give me the information. It's really very specific as to what they were going on. Do we have specs out for you gentlemen? No, there's nothing specific other than just the basic bid form with the address and the amount and that it's a proposal to repair the wall in the town clerk's office for $31,000. Would Dana put that out? Did you put it with the insurances and whatnot? I don't know Brad. My sense is that this is the second time that bids were received, no. No. We had some estimates. Okay, maybe that's what it was. Because I think the prices were in that ballpark. Okay. We decided to put it out today to see what happened. That's probably what we saw. I think before we go forward on that, you need to get a hold of Connor and see what his insurance is like for that. Because it does more damage than good and we don't have to have some assurances that we're going to have to pay for it. I'm not sure that I ever saw the scope of what the actual work was. If it's not good. I don't know if the door's unlocked or not. Do you hear? No, as far as what went out to bid. Like what was fixed the wall. I did notice it said page three of three. So I'm wondering if maybe it was sent with additional documentation that maybe was decided that we didn't need that as part of it. You think it's hanging in here? You think it's hanging in here? Is it time for us off? Well, if John wanted to see the damage. Oh, I thought you meant you wanted to see the document. No, yeah, I guess. Yeah. What's the document that it has? I don't have it. It's price. I don't. Probably readily. I would like to look in there, look in this office tomorrow and I can call the insurance company to see where we stand. So at least we know where we're at. I think it was when he put that, I think it was just a repair of the wall. It was no roll. Nothing else I'll call John. Yeah. See what's going on. Well, I was jumping around here. Wayne, come on down. Where do you want me? Where do you want me to be today? I don't know. I think you're supposed to be a carless chair. I'm good right here. I'm good. So I wanted to come and voice my opinion. I wasn't able to come to the joint meeting a week ago or so. I don't know if you know or not, but we were brought in because of the property we own on paying Turnpike and we were sold to buy into this town center and have our property be part of it. And then I didn't hear about it until the day of the meeting that we had been taken out of it. So I was disturbed by that. We looked at, I've looked this over. I understand that the reason that our property was taken out of the town center zoning was that there are wetlands that create a problem to interconnect all the parcels to be part of the town center. But why was the mall property, why didn't we look at the other side of the wetlands? I mean, what determined the fact that the town center should be at the mall? Because basically right now, this is a mall project. And as another note that I made was, it says in here that under next steps that the Berlin mall is the largest taxpayer in town, I wish that was true, but I happen to know that it's not. So why, who's determining this and how did we get there? That's my question. You had our phone number when you wanted us in, but you forgot to call when we got tossed out. That's what it feels like. I think because it's a, this is still a draft document. And we did meet, you know, Chad Morrison, we were looking to put together a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with there several times and I sent to the select board in their packets of copies of the evolution of the new town center space. We as, and this is the first one. All right, so we, because of the size of Berlin, of the maximum amount of acreage that we could, we could have in our new town center is 125 acres. So when we adopted our zoning last year, the planning fishing came up with this draft, which was 124.9. So we stuck everything in there until we could do a review. So the school property is right here and this green block is a wetland. And so the new town center has to be connected with roads and sidewalks. It has to, it has to have pedestrian access. So we were looking at a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. We met with Shannon Morrison, who is the regional wetlands specialist. And she basically said that it would take a significant amount of time, effort and money to get an ADA approved walkway, American Disabilities Act walkway approved to the school. And she said that what we saw showing as wetlands was probably limited at best. She said it likely comes out this way and then we should do more investigation. And I know Wayne provided us with some wetlands delineation that he did on his property, which can show wetlands there. And so the thought process was is that for us to build roads or sidewalks into that section of the project, significant amount of money. So we came up with this version now. This is one that you guys saw at the meeting on the 22nd. And again, this is draft. This is just for everybody's consumption right now. And it does include some of the wetlands. If you remember, this piece here was going to be used in a new town center as a park, a viewing area. And so that's where we're at now. Tell me, who determines that it can only be 125? It's statutory, it's based on population. Is it a statute for the designations? So why did we decide? So can I just respond a little bit? And then I totally get where you're coming from because we did draw it differently. We anticipated that we wanted to include as much land as possible. And I think in answer to your question as to why it includes the mall is because that's what needs to be redeveloped. You know what I mean? That's the idea of having a mall in this parking lot area is where the state wants to see changed. And does it help that the neighborhood, the NDA would go through, your property would be included in the neighborhood designation, what is it called? So it would still be included in that. Maybe we should sit down and talk about what- I was just shocked that they spent the time to meet with us three times to get us into it, but nobody called when they threw us out. And that makes absolutely no sense. For the Planning Commission's sake is that nobody from the Planning Commission saw this until our consultants came to the meeting and showed it to us. The next day it was in the paper. So we didn't have the ability to call people. Again, this is a draft. I just wanted to go on the record that we would not support that draft. And while I was on the select board, we always said that no one came and voiced their opinion and I'm here to do that. And I just want to be perfectly clear how I feel about it. But again, I mean, I'm wondering if it would help if we sat down with you and with the consultants and talked about what the, I don't know what- So this is what's going to happen if it passes the way it is. If you're not within that area, you're not going to get active in the approval. Because you're not in the zone. So those of us who have spent millions of dollars on property that's not any longer in it are going to be handcuffed. That's a problem. We either should be in it or we shouldn't have one. Well, but what about the, I don't know what the benefits are. I don't think that's correct statement. Okay. Well, I hope you're right. Goodbye. So what the, there's a part of it keeps mentioning a neighborhood designation area. And it's a quarter mile outside of this. Okay. And it's for residential only. That's what Act 250 is looking at now. It's only residential. So a quarter mile outside of this area will be a neighborhood designation. And that area will get, if Act 250 really occurs on the rest, we'll have it. So your property is definitely within a quarter mile. So it would have it. And I understand what you're saying. But we had an appeal on the travel center from the Vermont Map of Resources Council because they called it sprawl. So if that sprawl, what is a new facility on paying term bike if it's not in the designation? So I was just, but again, it's in the, if you look at our zoning map behind Carla, this property or our town center zoning is bigger than 125 yards. It's a significantly bigger than that. The zone. For the zoning district. And so the new town center is a segment of that area. So in the new town center zoning district, it's reduced parking, higher density, higher buildings, greater lot coverage. You have all of that. I understand all of that. But it means nothing if you don't get an Act 250 permit. But again, you Act 250, if there is relief, it's only on residential. It's not on. And you have to build on a designated growth area. And this and the NDA is a designated growth area. Okay. We'll talk about, I just wanted to select forward to know how I felt about it because I didn't want to read in the paper that this has been approved. And we haven't discussed it. So thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. So if you want to maybe come to the game. Sure. Appreciate your time. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Brandy, are you on the call? I am. Okay. Okay. We'll go to the place sense. So I'm putting your packets of two documents that we really, for you folks to give some serious consideration to. The first one is this community investment. We have met last week with all the stakeholders in the currently drafted new town center zone. We have shared this document with them. Are getting their feedback and concerns. My takeaway from that meeting was that it was very positive. And we're gonna need to tweak this document a little bit. But I think it's a couple of weeks out from being signed by a majority of the players. I don't know if the hospital will be there. They have a little higher bureaucracy than the other folks. But so we are going to revise this draft for the select board's review. I don't know if you want council to review it. Probably would should. So Brandy, can you want to talk about the community investment agreement to where we stand right now? It seems like this line of minor adjustments is going to be workable for the partners. I think probably most of them are going to want to actually see the attached documents, which are the application components that we put together before they actually sign it. But I think that we're going to get a commitment to the language in pretty quickly from everyone, perhaps, but the hospital as Tom said, because they do need to get there as well as a review before they can do that. So that seems pretty good. So I think we're asking the same thing from what board? We'll be one of the signatories that we've been from the other partners that you can't really review this language. And if you have any questions or concerns, we have those out. So you guys will be seeing a draft here. A planning commission will likely see it before you folks. And with any luck, we will be asking you to give a blessing so we can send it to council and get council's opinion on it. And maybe we could get a motion at next meeting that you approve it on with the councils, with the law helpers' blessing. The other document we have here is, may we follow that right now in town of Berlin to adopt or change any zoning regulations or... Good evening. I'd like to call on August 3rd, 2020, slide board meeting to order. And with us is Justin Lawrence, Paul Smith, I'm Brad Town, and our assistant town administrator is with us tonight, Tom Bogowski, and our town treasurer, Diane Isabel. John Quinn will be joining us in 10 minutes or so. Okay, additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? Brad, I have two things. I sent you folks out today, a couple of alcohol permit requests so you didn't need to convene a liquor board here sometime. And the other item is a contractor's payment request for the paying term fight north sewer improvement clause. Public comment? Hearing none, treasurer's report may be up. Okay, we have this preliminary audit coming up on the August 27th, we're the first day of it. And that, like I said, is preliminary. Then after that, the audit itself will be on the 17th and 18th of September. And then everything should be completed at that point. So we will be in time to have our audit complete by the end of December, whenever things are done. And we do plan on having the auditors in the building, all that they're going to be socially distanced. On 17th and 18th, at least the 17th normally, there's three of them. I think one of them will be working remotely with the other two will be. And otherwise, anything else I have is in the agenda. Okay, thank you very much, Diane. Thank you, Diane. We're still looking at the permits, the vouchers. Who is willing to be here tonight? He said he was, yeah. Okay. I thought we were going. Well, rather than gave, we've got nobody here. I think we can maybe talk about the police chief recruitment there. It really doesn't require anybody else. So Dana left me with a draft of a advertisement for replacing the police chief. We also had some conversations with Trevor Whipple, who was the police chief at the South Burlington for many years. And now he's working for Vermont League of Cities and Towns. And I know Dana has contacted him prior to Dana's departure. And Trevor has offered his services to the board. Anywhere from writing of a job description to putting together an advertisement to being in the room when you are interviewing candidates. So I don't know, he'll be beans about what's involved in a police chief. So I would suggest that this board consider taking Trevor up on his offer to help. Diane, how many applicants for the police chief do we have now? I don't have any. No, I don't have, have we even advertised it? Okay. We've got one because it's one in-house, but that's it. And I don't have a copy of that. Okay. When were you going to post that? We want to talk to Trevor before we did. Oh, I was just seeing what the pleasure of you folks are. I would ask, of course, I'd ask Trevor to put together, let Bill look at it. And you guys need to approve that, that advertisement? Well, I'm not sure. We really would or no, but it wouldn't hurt to look at it. So you would approve it after next meeting? Yeah. Okay, next meeting in August? Can you facilitate that, Trevor and Bill and you getting to get there? Yes, yes. We'll have something for you guys a draft before the next meeting and then hopefully you have enough time to act on it then. Yep. Was there anything on the police chief recruitment? You know where, or have you heard Dana say where he thought the best advertising spots would be for that? Trevor gave us a list of free locations and four pay locations. And we think we've got to take advantage of the free ones and you guys, if it's nominal costs, I could send that around to you guys. One was $100 base ad, $250, $200, and anywhere from $80 to $1850 dollars, yeah. But he has like two or three in here that are free as well. Anything else on the police chief recruitment done? No. Any questions for Tom on this? That they have, we haven't really delved into it yet. All right, then we just need to advertise it as soon as possible. I really need to wait till the next meeting too. Okay. We do have this bid opening on $820. Yep, let's do that then. We received one bid. I don't know what your protocol to open these days. Abort them. We have one bid from Conner Contracting Incorporated and the bid is from John P. Conner for a total cost of the job of $31,000. And the proposal is indicated as the repair of the wall in the town clerk's office. What was the insurance payment on that? Gosh, I think it was like 20 or 21. Let's see what Dana had. I can call the insurance company and get familiar with it because Dana didn't give me the information. Really, you're very specific as to what they were going on. Do we have specs now for the job? No, there's nothing specific other than just the basic bid form with the address and the amount and that it's a proposal to repair the wall in the town clerk's office for $31,000. Would Dana put that out? Did you put it with the insurances and whatnot? I don't know Brad. My sense is that this is the second time that bids were received? No. No. We had some estimates. Okay, maybe that's what it was. Because I think the prices were in that ballpark. We decided to put it out today to see what happened. That's probably what I saw. I think before we go forward on that, you need to get a hold of Connor and see what his insurance is at for that. Because if he does more damage than good, then we're going to have to have some assurances that we're going to have to pay for it. Not sure that I ever saw the scope of what the actual worth was. I don't know if the door's unlocked or not. Yeah? No, it's kind of hard to tell. As far as what went out to bid, like what was fixed the wall of it? I did notice it said page three of three. So I'm wondering if maybe it was sent with additional documentation that maybe was decided that we didn't need that as part. Was that hanging in here? You think it's hanging in here? It's kind of first office? Well, if John wanted to see the damage. Oh, I thought you meant you wanted to see the document. No, yeah, I guess. I don't have it. It's right. I'm glad to look in there, look in his office tomorrow and I can call the insurance company to see where we stand at least we know where we're at. But I think it was when he put that to bed, I think it was just to repair the wall. It was no roll. Nothing else I'll call John. Yeah. Let's see what you got. Well, I'm kind of jumping around here. Wayne, come on down. Where do you want me? Where do you want me these days? I don't know. I think you're supposed to be a carless chair. I think you're supposed to be a carless chair. I'm good right here. I'm good. So I wanted to come and voice my opinion. I wasn't able to come to the joint meeting a week ago or so. I don't know if you know or not but we were brought in because of the property we own on Payton Turnpike and we were sold to buy into this town center and have our property be part of it. And then I didn't hear about it until the day of the meeting that we had been taken out of it. So I was disturbed by that. We looked at, I've looked this over. I understand that the reason that our property was taken out of the town center zoning was that there are wetlands that create a problem to interconnect all the parcels to be part of the town center. But why was the mall property, why didn't we look at the other side of the wetlands? I mean, what determined the fact that the town center should be at the mall? Because basically right now this is a mall project. And as another note that I made was it says in here that under next steps that the Berlin mall is the largest taxpayer in town, I wish that was true. But I happen to know that it's not. So why, who's determining this and how did we get there? That's my question. You had our phone number when you wanted us in but you forgot to call when we got passed out. That's what it feels like. I think because it's, this is still a draft document and we did meet, you know, Ken Morrison. We were looking to put together a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with there several times and I sent to the select board in their packets of copies of the evolution of the new town center space We as a, and it's just, this is the first one, right? So we, because of the size of Berlin of the maximum amount of acreage that we could, we could have in our meat town center is 125 acres. So when we adopted our zoning last year, the planning patient came up with this draft which was 124.9. So we stuck everything in there is until we could do a review. So the school property is right here and this green block is a wetland. And so the new town center has to be connected with roads and sidewalks. It has to, it has to have pedestrian access. So we were looking at a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with Shannon Morrison who is the regional wetlands specialist. And she basically said that it would take a significant amount of time, effort and money to get an ADA approved walkway, American Disabilities Act of Walkway approved to the school. And she said that what we saw shown as wetlands was probably limited at best. She said it likely comes out this way and then we should do more investigation. And so I know Wayne provided us with some wetlands delineation that he did on his property which can show wetlands there. And so the thought process was is that for us to build roads or sidewalks into that section of the project, significant amount of money. So we came up with this version now. This is one that you guys saw at the meeting on the 22nd. And again, this is draft. This is just for everybody's consumption right now. And it does include some of the wetlands. If you remember, this piece here was going to be used in a new town center as a park, a viewing area. And so that's where we're at now. Tell me, who determines that it can only be 125? It's statutory, it's based on population. Is it a statute for the designations? So why did we decide? So can I just respond a little bit? And I totally get where you're coming from. Because we did draw it differently. We anticipated that we wanted to include as much land as possible. And I think in answer to your question as to why it includes the mall is because that's what needs to be redeveloped. You know what I mean? That's the idea of having a mall in this parking lot area is where the state wants to see changed. And does it help that the neighborhood, the NDA would go through, your property, right? Would be included in the neighborhood designation. What is it called? So it would be still be included in that. Maybe we should sit down and talk about what? I was just shocked that they spent the time to meet with us three times to get us into it, but nobody called when they threw us out. And that makes absolutely no sense. For the planning commission's sake, is that nobody from the planning commission saw this until our consultants came to the meeting and showed it to us. The next day it was in the paper. So we didn't have the ability to call people. Again, this is a draft. Right. I just wanted to go on the record that we would not support that draft. And while I was on the select board, we always said that no one came and voiced their opinion and I'm here to do that. And I just want to be perfectly clear how I feel about it. But again, I mean, I'm wondering if it would help if we sat down with you and with the consultants and talked about what the, I don't know what. So this is what's going to happen if it passes the way it is. If you're not within that area, you're not going to get active 50 approval because you're not in the zone. So those of us who have spent millions of dollars on property that's not any longer in it are going to be handcuffed. That's a problem. We either should be in it or we shouldn't have one. Well, but what about the, I don't know what the benefits are. I don't think that's correct statement. Okay. Well, I hope you're right. But. So what the, there's a, Carla keeps mentioning a neighborhood designation area and it's a quarter mile outside of this, okay? And it's for residential only. That's what act 250 is looking at now. It's only residential. So a quarter mile outside of this area will be a neighborhood designation and that area will get, if act 250 really occurs on the rest, we'll have it. So your property is definitely within a quarter mile so it would happen. And I understand what you're saying. But we had an appeal on the travel center from the Vermont Napa Resources Council because they called it sprawl. So if that sprawl, what is a new facility on paying term bike if it's not in the designation? So I was just. But again, in the, it's in, it's in the, if you look at our zoning map or behind Carla, this property or our town center zoning is bigger than 125 yards. It's a significantly bigger than that. The zone. Yeah. For the zoning district. Right. And so the new town center is a segment of that area. So in the new town center zoning district, it's reduced parking, higher density, higher buildings, greater lot coverage. You have all that. I understand all of that, but it means nothing if you don't get an act of 50 permit. But again, act 250, if there is relief, it's only on residential. It's not on. And you have to build in a designated growth area. And this, and the NDA is a designated growth area. Okay. We'll talk about, I just wanted to select forward to know how I felt about it because I didn't want to read in the paper that this has been approved. And we haven't discussed it. So thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Sure. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Randy, are you on the call? I am. Okay. Okay, we'll go to the place since. So I'm putting your packets of two documents that we really, for you folks to give some serious consideration to. The first one is this community investment. We have met last week with all the stakeholders in the currently drafted Newtown Center Zone have shared this document with them, are getting their feedback and concerns. My takeaway from that meeting was that it was very positive. And we're gonna need to tweak this document a little bit, but I think it's a couple of weeks out from being signed by a majority of the players. I don't know if the hospital will be there. They have a little higher bureaucracy than the other folks. But so we are going to revise this draft of the select board's review. I don't know if you want council to review it. Probably should. So Brandy, can you wanna talk about the community investment agreement to where we stand right now? It seems like displaying a minor adjustment is going to be workable for the partners. I think probably most of them are going to want to actually see the attached documents which are the application components that we put together before they actually sign it. But I think that we're going to get a commitment to the language pretty quickly from everyone perhaps but the hospital as Tom said, because they do need to get various levels of review before they can do that. So that seems to be good. So I think we're asking the same thing from what board will be one of the signatories that we did from the other partners that you can't really review the language and if you have any questions or concerns, we hash those out soon. So you guys will be seeing a draft here. A planning commission will likely see it before you folks. And with any luck, we will be asking you to give a blessing so we can send it to council and get council's opinion on it and maybe we could get a motion at next meeting that you approve it on with the councils with law helpers' blessing. The other document we have here is, may recall that right now in town of Berlin to adopt or change any zoning regulations are, I'm sorry, who are you? Oh, okay. Okay, Pam, we're not through you yet, but give us a little time. Okay. So Fisher Road Colbert, Robert Clark, Dr. Creighton. He is on vacation. He was gonna try to attend, but he had one bar at the campground he was at. So I'm gonna wing it. I sent you guys some photographs. I think you guys may have seen these that we took on Fisher Road Colbert. The bottom of it's out. As you likely know, we're doing our paint turn pipe north project. Let me come up that area. We think it would be beneficial to the town to repair this Colbert at that time. There's two types of repairs. One of them is about a 60 year repair and one is about a 30 year repair. The 60 year repair is probably about 400 K. The 30 year repairs, which is basically sleeving, putting another pipe inside of this pipe, assuming we can get the permits that we need that the state allows to do that, is the pipe itself is 75 K, and then there's the installation. So 20, 25 K, I'm just throwing that out. So something, there's a whole series of these photographs and we already had one issue with there. It's a critical component in the town. You have the hospital's 12 inch water line there. You have the town's water line. We're putting a new force made in there. I'm really want to encourage the select board to get this done as part of our paint turn pipe project. We could just issue a change order to our contractor there. And the pieces I think are two weeks out, the sleeve. And then I think it's two weeks out. It is, don't say how far it is, but it's, the other option is a box culvert and it's 16 weeks out, and which puts us into the next year, which puts us into having to pump sewage. It's just, though I would personally prefer a box culvert, the timing is such that I think select board really should give consideration to sleeving this and going that route. Sounds like we could sleeve it four times to the price of the box culvert. If you can get the regulatory agencies to agree to that. They have changed there. So it looks like we're gonna need a river management engineers approval. We're gonna need a wetlands, the state's wetlands ecologist and Army Corps of Engineers permit. So we've got some work to do. And Otter Creek, I would suggest that the select board allow Otter Creek to begin the design and permitting of this. There are the engineers on the Payne Turnpike North project to get this thing done here in this construction season. How much can you say we're supposed to sleeve it? You're bringing around this under $100,000. Yeah, the sleeve itself is 75K. And so I'm just saying 25K, I don't know, 25K to do it work. We have in reserve $96,000. Now, originally we were gonna do that for the Richardson Road culvert. So far we've invested $7,400 into the Richardson Road culvert. I don't know what's happening with that right now. This is a more critical culvert in Richardson Road. Being Richardson Road is gonna be some bailing bridge some way that we could, absolutely, slap in there, call it a day. Dana does tell me that he had called the state to see if there would be any help from them available and they said no, it just didn't happen. Well, we're about, what, $4,000 short of the payment of money we need to do other than if it is under half thousand. Yeah, and probably we'll be more because of the engineering, but yes, we do have that. And we probably have to be sure that that's what they will do it for, the 75 and the 25. To be honest, if it's $120,000, you should spend $120,000. Don't hold this for 100K. No, I thought Dana, before he left, had said he was gonna reach out and get a firm price, you know. That's how that is, or is that a response to that? I don't think so, this was. Just so I remember correctly, the company that's doing the construction work down there would do this work, we wouldn't bid it out because it's the same company already there. All right, okay. So what's the board's pleasure here? I would take and say by consensus to help Tom do the research. Absolutely. Most definitely. Yeah. And then I'll let you have some firm prices, Tom, you don't have much we've got. Get with Diane and see what we can do. Okay, we'll do that. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Diane. Thank you. But I do agree that that core needs to be fixed. Right. But sooner than later. So I guess thinking about that, I always like to know the stuff cost before we commit to it too, but in this situation, we're gonna have to do this work one way or the other, right? Yeah. So should we get them started on ordering the culvert because it's eight weeks out? Well, I mean, the thing there would be to get a firm price of the culvert. I mean, as long as, let's just say we put a cap of 100,000 on this project. Anything over that, they come back to us and see what we can do. Just to wrap up a good point, are we definitely gonna be able to get the permit too? Yes. But the thing there is, with the photos, I mean, there is a need. The permitting may still take a little time, but I can't believe there's gonna be an argument that it's going to take and hold up this project. I agree with you, Brad. What do you mean by that? So you think that, I mean, you think we can run on this thing? I'm not gonna say we should just take them doing, take the penalty later. What I'm saying is that the agency is not gonna take it and hold up this project because it is a critical nature. You say they're critical in that nature. Almost near emergency repair. So what do you think the timeframe is to actually get the permit so we can know what exactly we can order? Tom, we'll tell us next meeting. I will hopefully tell you before then. The 74, 74-3 is from the, contact engineering solutions. They are the types of blocks of wire that the sleet spot. That's a firm price for them without piece of material. And do they take and offer installation or is that just the piping? I don't think they do installation. They would hire new boys to do it. Well, is that who's down there now? Bernie, yes. New boys, so I would get a hold of the new boys and see if they could do the work. They have, they can't. Okay. They have not given me a cold yet on it. Okay. I just press it. Yes. Press a little bit on it. Yes. That's a good suggestion. Yeah, yes, they can do the work. Okay. Anything else on the cold work problem? No, thank you. This is critical. Okay. I think we're to Pam's. We did everything else here. I think we're to the town campus stormwater treatment. Yep. Pam, are you there? I'm here, yes. I don't think he's on the call. So it's just us. Well, that's a little off intro about the project for pure funding for the clean water block ramp. It's just the same funding that we got to do the final design for the stormwater treatment at the town office. It's about $57,000 for the construction. And PVRQT has already procured to go on paying to do the construction oversight and the big phase with the town. And I guess it's a big question for the select board tonight, Pam. You wanted us to come and talk about the project and whether or not we just wanted to pursue getting a bid at this summer for construction this season. Uh-huh. And Pam, hey, Pam. Pam, Pam, I've got, so I've since my conversation with Chris, Chris, I've talked to some contractors. So I think it would be who of us to bid it for this construction season yet. When, if they come in there, they're out of whack, then we could re-bid it for the spring. Yeah, so you know that, you know, it's 2021 to construct, so if the bids are totally out of whack, we could do the next spring. That's not a problem. So does the select board need to, excuse me, Pam, so does the select board need, hold on, Pam, does the select board need to make a motion to bid it or? I can play or we can do it by consensus, but it won't take but a second to do a motion to bid. Okay, so I'm recommending that we bid it for this construction season. They're ready to go. The engineer's ready to go. And again, I talked to a couple contractors and I thought maybe they'd be straight out with COVID and I guess since I got this, we get some competitive bids on this because it's just, it's a small piece worth 60K. It's not a big project, maybe something that they fill in at the end of their year, so. I'll make a motion to put out an RFP for the garage storm water improvements. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? All right, those are carries. Okay, Pam, we're gonna bid it. That's great. I just have one more thing. Our executive committee met today and they just will give us the approval to forward a draft, not a draft, a final MOA to you guys, or in fact a contract not an MOA, which means CDRP in the town that's just outlined. You're keeping it and are keeping it. And I tried being as the name on it, but I just didn't like the changes of somebody else's name. Was that yours, Tom? Yes. Yes. So we'll change the name to UConn and send it your way again. I sent this to you the other day with a big draft on it, but I'll send it your way for signature. So I don't know if it's like we need to authorize you to sign that contract or not as well. I would say. They're saying yes, they do need to do that. So do you need, so what I'll do is I just need to have they seen the contract yet at all that I sent you, Tom. And it's Dana shared that with you? No, they have not seen it. Okay. So what I'll do is I'll tweet your name through it and email it to you. You don't have to have this go out to bid, but you have to have this signed with us to actually hire six construction companies. Yeah, okay. And you can do the big process that you can't contract with anybody until your contract is up in time. So that's just giving you an opportunity to show this to the select board and get their approval for signature. Okay. And you said that's coming tomorrow? Yeah, I'll get, yeah, I'll fix it up. I should get a cue in the afternoon and you can go to the meeting with Bonnie tomorrow. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay, sounds good. You need anything else from us? No, he and I went over. No, he and I went over last week. So I'm good. I may suggest that you guys allow me and a select board member to review it and sign it. And I mean, it seems to me, unless you want to wait two weeks, it's a small project. We're just giving you approval to do it. It's not like I don't have a background in this stuff. Yeah. You're a motion on this? Well, where are you looking for, I'm not sure if it's coming. Motion to allow Tom to take it. Take point on this. I just, you know, very standard. What's the cost of the contract? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, they're, they get reimbursed part of their action. I don't know if it's actually a dollar or not that we're, we're paying them. It's just, it's this, that they are our consultant in this matter. Again. I don't remember there ever being a dollar or not. This was a state program that was basically a grant. So they're getting paid directly from the state. That's my understanding. But again, I, I, that's what I think, not what I know. So that's dangerous. Well, that's what I understood it from Dana. That it was, that was, when we discussed it at the meeting, you know, we first started this, that it was a state grant. The town was going to be out of anything on it. I think though, normally I have to pay for it first, turn in all the paperwork and then we get reimbursed. It sounds like she can wait two weeks too. If you want to wait. Well, since we're kind of unclear on the, exactly how it works, you probably should take a look at it. You know what I mean? I'll send it around to you guys as soon as I get it. Okay. Thank you, Tony. So that's the store order. This was the contract. That's what we added to the agenda. I added to the agenda. And then the liquor board needs to be as well. And we also need to approve the licenses, permits, vouchers. Yeah. So you have there, Brad, a copy of, this is for the Payne Turnpike North Sewer Project, a request of payment to Du Bois of 358,461.95. It's been submitted by Ray Washburn of Du Bois Construction. That has been reviewed by our engineer, Robert Clark, the public workforce engineer, Robert Clark. And he signed off on that payment. You've slept for reviews and science because- Under owner? Yes. Because the public workforce cannot borrow money. The money we're borrowing is- Right, this is the sun for- Yes. There's two of them. So a motion to have the chair sign. Is that the first payment? Or what? There's two payments in there. Oh, there's two payments in there, I'm sorry. So move. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. The Apollo motion carries. Thank you. This is a little of, the project's going well. I don't know if you've been down to see it. We've had some good news on it. The amount of ledge material that we bid is about 72% more than what we actually need to do. So we've got a fairly significant savings on that project right now. My one concern is that the timing of, of the, because we lost six weeks to COVID is that we may not get all of our paving done this year. If we don't get our paving done and we have to carry internal financing over into the next year, I guess they made it at about 15 to 20K extra cost. So the public's workforce is gonna have a, so they get a better handle on where we're gonna land to actually not include the paving in the contract, close it out, USD, take it over, save us that 20K, and then go through whatever other means that we rebate, we pay it next year. Okay, so approval licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. There's two here, Brad. First one is for Twin City, you may know they have that. That's the liquor? Yes. We're doing all the permits. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 21-03 for payroll from July 5th, 2020 to August 1st, 2020, paid on August 5th, 2020, in the amount of $41,178.37, also payroll warrant 21-03, with check 2399 to 2421 in the amount of $90,126.36. All those, any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Now let's convene the liquor board to recess this life warrant for the name of William Ward. I second the motion. All those in favor? Aye. Let's get this good time rolling. All right. All right. Seems kind of silly to do all that, but okay, the first one is for Twin City Lanes. You may know they have that outdoor seating, so it's a seasonal thing. Thank you, Diane. Thank you. Thank you. And I think they've been doing it for a couple of years. So that's the first one, Twin City Lanes. And the second one is for a full license for the Chinese restaurant, the buffet in the Moon. The Moon? Yes, China Moon Buffet, used to be the Moon. China Moon. China Moon. The motion on these? I make the motion to approve both as presented by Tom Madowski just now. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. All right. Those opposed? Motion carries. You sign it, the little tabby things that are here. Move to a region meeting. That's all I've got for a meeting. Move to adjournment. Motion for the approval of slug board minutes from 720. I don't think you guys have them. I didn't see them in the packet. I haven't seen them yet, so I don't think you guys have them. Okay. Round table. Justin? We did talk about that in your tardiness. In my tardiness? Yep. Quick conversation, I guess? Yeah, it was pretty quick. We can go back to that if you want a little bit. I just was looking at the outstanding items. And there's less, because it's kind of shorter than it used to be. With a lot of little stuff. We've been working on like the class four, road policy, we had that, some other, what else? Where are we at with the, I don't know where we're at with the roster, but I just like some updates on some of these outstanding items. The tree tap? Yeah. The tree tap, anything? And I'd like to make sure we add the road policy we were working on. I don't know if they're gonna talk to you at all about that. Well, we had me a folder on the tree tapping and be honest with you, I haven't. Have you heard anything from Rosevee? She's the horse that they hired to book and cruise plan. I have no idea. No. Brad, did you see, I think it was in the Times Argus that the company responded to the allegations of their tree tapping in the Berlin town forest? Did you see that article? No. Someone had sent it to me. We have an email with a letter of their response from Dana. That was to the Times Argus, wasn't it? Wasn't that in the Times Argus? That was in response to the article in the Times Argus, but I didn't see it published in the Times Argus. Oh, okay. Oh, they all have to sign it, wasn't it? Yeah, they're killing me. So, yeah, on that tree, on the tree tapping, the conservation committee hired Rosevee to go up and cruise it, find the boundary lines, do an estimate on what damage was done and where we're supposed to go from there. Do you know, have you followed any of the history of that or why that's on there? I vaguely heard stuff on it. Hold on. Basically, just to assess the overall situations and get to the fact that we were in fact on the ground. Rough country up there, but I can't think of anything else. Maybe what I'll do is I'll look through some of my old emails. Well, the thing, I mean, you still haven't said your Richardson Road covert open. There's a few other things there. There was something that you sent me, Brad. Oh, I've got to point it. Oh, Lover's Lane Bridge, too. I was just going to say the Lover's Lane Bridge, for sure. Yeah, Lover's Lane Bridge, yeah. The decking on that. Decking right. Yeah, right, the class floor. Dana had a pretty good list of what she got there once in one of our packets to the class floor. Well, it should be on Dana's computer to look it up. To be able to do a quick search of it. Oh, yeah, I'm going to email. That'll be very helpful, it's doing searches on the drive. What do we do for security when we have a employee like that leave for the email access and all that, just to ensure that they don't have I think there's, he must have left his password. He's given Diane and I a list of the passwords and stuff. So you just have to avoid it sometimes to change them? Yeah, when I have a free time. Okay, anything else on rounded clothes? I just wanted to say that I brought up a cake and goodies for Dana. He'd already left that day, but given that I knew where he lived and I hand delivered it, he was very appreciative and he just wanted everyone to know how much he appreciated everything and also wanted us to know how the town staff are just very dedicated and he was extremely impressed and he was thankful. So I just want to let you all know. There you go. That's it. Thank you. John, nothing today. Nothing tonight for me? Round executive session? Tom?