 As of this evening tonight we are being recorded by ACMI, first off I want to thank John Seltzer for submitting your research. I know the board and staff are still reviewing that but I appreciate you sending that in. It's been made public as part of the agenda this evening. I will give you some time on October 7th to present that when the town manager speaks as part of the same conversation as an agenda item will work out how long you get and make sure that you have the appropriate equipment. Are you saying I can't talk about it all this evening? I'm telling you that I'm offering you the opportunity for an extended period of time to have it back and forth. I think it's appropriate when the town manager is here that you can present to your your findings and your your homework as it were on that evening. I think it's appropriate to do it then when the town manager is here. Thank you very much. And the board will have a little bit more productive back and forth as part of that agenda item rather than part of the open forum. I think that's a good way to get you on the agenda and have you heard fairly. Okay, thank you. So first our agenda this evening is 19R Park Ave 117 Broadway which is the Hudson Corporation of Arlington Projects. What we're doing this evening is not reopening a special permit. Those special permits were already granted by this board. We are here this evening to review final plans and specifications. This is not a public hearing. This is not a special permit hearing. I will allow for brief questions from the public just because this has been a process. But I think at this time I'll call up Pam Hallett from the HCA to present what's here this evening and we can open things. Okay, good evening. Thank you very much for having us tonight. I want to introduce Paul Warkenton who is our architect with Davis Square Architects. He's the main architect on the deal. So we are here to essentially answer to the conditions that were in the special permit so that we can at this point go ahead and apply for a permit. We are anticipating getting into the ground this fall assuming all pieces with the financing fall into place. And so we're pretty excited to go ahead and show you what we have and solicit any feedback and make our presentation. So Paul, do you want to go ahead? Thank you. So yes, as Pam said, I'm Paul Warkenton, Davis Square Architects. I've also happened to be a ten-year resident of Rolington so I'm working with this too. But it's a great privilege and an opportunity to be able to work in my own town. So starting off we'll go through the plans on the 19-hour Park Avenue which we have typically called Downing Square, that's right in the area. So the overall site plan for this is more or less unchanged. There's still the access from Lowell Street bringing you into a parking lot in front of the larger building, a smaller three-story building on the corner, larger four-story building in the back. The boundaries of these and the overall size of those are unchanged. We, I'll get to that in a second, but we have lighting, some light poles along the parking lot keeping that all illuminated. These are designed to have cut off to keep all the light on the property itself. We still have our stair and ramp that come down to the bikeway and a bridge going across the so-called no-name brook that also links to the bikeway giving us for the, giving us actual disabled access to the bikeway. But that overall site plan more or less unchanged. We do have included with this package some facilities but pursuant to some of the questions that were had, planning plans, so some trees along Park Avenue here, trees lining our entry in, some lower, some lower shrubs along here. Obviously, this area right now is completely overgrown with not weed and a lot of nasties. That's all getting, that will all be cut down and trimmed out in order for us to do our, our, our site work. So we have, but we are bringing, putting a couple larger trees along the bikeway on that side. And then exterior wise, skip past sediment and control. That was all through. And so the exterior, the principal change that we made on the exterior was the window configuration. Previously, we had this somewhat more gridded, some, some called it in previous hearings a little bit more quote, industrial, unquote, luck to it. For various reasons, not least of which was cost. We have a, have a simpler window system and one which actually also has a more, we think residential look to it. So that is probably the largest change overall. The colors on, I apologize for this came out a bit muddy on these prints, but they, on the color laser prints are a little bit better. I've got a few copies of those here. You've got a sample of the brick for the station. We're basically looking at these being like some typical, typical colors being something on that order. And the only other significant change in it, I hesitate to really call it just significant, was we, we had, we increased each floor to floor height by three inches. We're keeping the entire height of the building still within the overall of what was required, the height from top of curb at the street. So that's still within the 40 feet above top of curb. So that is, that's the one change overall. So we did add relative to our previous submission with this is something we just absolutely needed in terms of being able to fit in mechanical systems and structural systems as we develop the building in greater detail. So move those. So that's our large building at the downing site and our smaller building, our three story building. This is we've got a couple of elevations here. This is the elevation of our driveway side. Okay, so our driveway faces this side. This is the side facing actually, this is I think the side facing like if you're coming over the bridge on Park Ave, this is kind of the view you would see. This is this is more of the elevation relative. This is the elevation on Park Ave. And this is the round elevation right at Wall Street. Again, we were keeping this more of a smaller scale residential look relative to the overall neighborhood. Which side's on Park Street? Which side's on Park Street? This is the park, the Park Ave elevation. As you look at it, if you were across the yeah, if you're if you're standing across the street on Park Street, if you're at the supermarket, little super shop or the tattoo, yeah, right, you would be looking at this. And why don't you show them the one go back one so we can see what it looks like over the bridge. Yeah, so this is this is kind of the elevation like from our driveway sides, the main entrance to the building is from our driveway. And this is sort of the end of the building. If you were standing where the gas station is, and just looking directly at it. So heading away from this ad. Correct. Yes. Looking in that direction. Yeah, looking up towards the towards the intersection. Yeah, you're on the bridge. If you have cubic corner from the lawyer's office, right up corner there, you can see that. Okay, so that's kind of the more prominent aspect. So moving on to 117 Broadway. Again, we didn't have a lot of changes on the overall layout to this. We still have a couple of entrances around here. We're in the process of talking to our potential tenant as to whether or not we're going to have every single one of these doors. They may not need ones, they may just be blazing instead of a glass door. So you're looking at one tenant? Yes. Yes. Arlington eats, which used to be the food pantry. They've now decided they want the entire space. Right. So. So yeah, we're pretty much using the the bulk of site here. Um, utilities. In terms of planting, you know, we we do have a fence at the property line and a and a along that backside, we're looking to have a couple of small planters on the along the sidewalk in front. If we can, I mean, we're showing some street trees along here as well. Currently, our plans are assuming that we're based mainly on condition that the sidewalk there is going to is going to get redone. So that's there's a little bit of planting here at the edges, but we're keeping this mainly for the for all planting consideration. Did the number of parking spaces increase from our last approval? No, no. So moving on to elevations again, not a lot of not a lot of change here. We did move around some windows based on some some structural considerations and just needing to have some some things line up a little bit better. But the overall system of having brick here, brick going around this curve, which is one of our big things and having also this curved element up here at the top. Those are all parts that we retain. We still have the set step back from the third story to the fourth. Everything in the fourth story is is smaller, more structural headaches but okay. So we're currently showing just like some navy blue awnings here. Pam and I haven't talked a lot about the color of these awnings. And, you know, I think we there may be some interest in Arlington Eats, some kind of input to that. But but we'll see. It sort of ties into the same blue here. So I don't want that. Yeah. So we went overall. Again, you know, the colors of printouts are often not exactly what we would want to see. But we're more basically thinking this would be the base color for this depth color extends. It's a little more extensive on the backside of the building would be using the same the same brick mix that we were showing for the other set of buildings. But the backside gets a little more of the beige clover kind of look. Oops. Anyway, yeah. So this one's right side. Anyway, so this, for instance, is the parking lot elevation. So if you're standing on the field, looking across the field and across our parking lot, this is kind of the the look you have with more prominent elevations, the first two that we looked at that have the break and the curve going around along the front. These casement windows are I can't see these are these are double honks. Some of the other ones are or like a tilt up. Yeah. Or awnings. Okay. I have good go ahead. This I remember this project precisely and one of the former board members had talked to about separating the two entrances and the front on Broadway. Yeah. Okay. And potentially moving one of the entrances to the corner. Right. And we did activates it activates the corner. Yeah. This gives you an opportunity to better divide the thing up in the future. Yeah, we should be able to see it here. Yeah. So the door there. Yeah, there are two. This is the main entrance to our our residential part of the building. So this is a long Everett Street along the corner. Our main entrance does to the to the to the tenant space are either on this corner or off of the third reason. So there are two actually right now there are two doors in the corners. Is there a Brooklyn of that? Well, yeah, actually, here, right? This one? I see it. Nice. Yeah. Can you see it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't see that. I remember that was a comment that yes, that, you know, we felt strongly about just to make sure there's activity in a corner. So it's not off to the side. I agree. That's a nice point. It is. Absolutely. And it does look very good. Okay. Sorry. No problem. It's about what I have on this. Quickly, maybe going through the exterior lighting. And there's the other parts of the submission, perhaps the bike. Okay, so the bike and the sign. Okay, the signage we the only we don't have a lot of signage on our buildings right now at this point, where we're basically anticipating is for the residential entrances like this would have like the street number on this on the like in the transom glass. We've got this lettering here on the on the small downing squares like we didn't really have any lettering on the the larger building on downing because you kind of can't see it from the street. You have to be like all the way in, you know, you're already turned into the driveway before you saw the sign. So it's not really doing a lot of good there. So will you be putting a parlance sign in the driveway? anticipating that? We have done that at Capital Square, if you remember, yes, right. So we could do something like that. We often don't have signage on our buildings. And sometimes that's purposeful. And sometimes it's not. So we haven't actually discussed it in depth. So at this point, we would probably not be thinking about doing that. If we do, we would come back and present it to you. Yeah. The other in terms of like coming back to where we're sort of under the assumption that our potential tenant at at 117 would want to have some signing the nature of which we don't know yet. But that would be its own process. Would you want to see build out and would you want to see their signage before? Yeah, and I think I think what I really like to understand is where in order for them to have an adequate sign to announce, you know, them as a tenant to think really about where on that front facade is it is it just above that central and entrance if you wind up having more than one tenant because you have a couple of entrances on the side, I would just think about leaving enough of a signed band. They'd also have an opportunity to light it from an you know, exterior source of that something that that they that they want to do. And the other thing too is just to think about this on and goes up and over the residential entrance and it also covers the the the windows into that that business, which you know, again, if you're really trying to differentiate between the two, it might be something to to think about that up. I think that's a good point. Especially if you're not going to sign in other than the address. We'll make it easier to find just clear. Yeah, I mean, I'm one of what I might consider at that point is just because we are on we are facing the street here and it's West facing, we probably be getting a good amount of sun on that side. Probably want to keep keep shade as much as we can certainly across here. But we could do like a different shape of awning or something like that that does do what we're talking about. It's more kind of a flat, you know, canopy as opposed to the awning, it just might be nice to differentiate the two. Sorry, Ken, I didn't mean that. Nope. Thank you. That's for the more more precisely on the lighting. Okay, more more precisely on the lighting. So we talked we talked a little bit about the site lighting at downing at 1117 lighting on the building though, sorry, I may have missed that. Yeah, there's some there is, there's some lighting like on it's shown on the the electrical first floor plan, but there is some lighting on the on the backside, a few a few lighting at the lights, the the the soffits over the windows, main entrances on the street side. There's a pole mounted light fixture here, eliminating the parking lot. So we are looking at the the overall lighting. Well, is there any lighting at the entrance to the residential? Yes, building. So where where is that on the case and residential entrances here at this point here. So there are there are, you know, down lights in the over the over this the soffit of the entry there. Okay, there are also, you know, there's also going to be an inter interior lights. So that's, that's the correct, where we're differentiating. Yes, that's that. Okay, that is that entrance. And that is recessed. So that's where you're putting like, got it. Okay, thank you. Oh, and bikes, right. So bikes, we have two bike storage systems. So the one reads this is similar to what we had shown on our earlier, our earlier plan is an exterior gated area here. So we have we have fence that goes along and a locked gate. So but it's all completely undercover at that point. And we have this, this is included in the links, this kind of like, you know, hang up rack system that has capacity, we're thinking like two of these eight foot long sections, they hold about nine bikes each. So we have more bikes than units on the site. So we've got 14 units, we have capacity for 18 bikes. So that's that's on the exterior there. But again, completely covered and and out of the weather. That loans agility bike racks. Yes. I know David, you wanted to ask some questions. Okay, so this was actually the the first project that came before us where we really started looking intensively at at more sophisticated bike parking options. And I really appreciate the effort you made to allocate space for them and find a solution. A couple of things. You may be aware that that since since we permitted this project, we've adopted significantly different bike parking requirements for the town. And while I don't think we can impose those on you at this point. And I don't think that would be entirely fair for us to try. I there are a couple of things I'd like to to talk about. The first is, while I appreciate the the space efficiency of the hanging rack systems. These are explicitly not permitted by by our new bike parking by law. So that's, that's potentially problematic. Can you can you just explain why? We don't currently allow any racks that require the bikes to be lifted off the ground. Okay. And and that's that's that's something that's new. That that was not something that was explicit in our bylaws prior to this previous meeting. I mean, there, there are obviously lots of different, you know, by rat configurations. This is one that we've, you know, we in other situations, we've had some success. You know, we can certainly go to a less, you know, if it's all just side by side kind of things, we can't, we wouldn't let them. It's a little bit less dense. And we can certainly The other thing is, we've changed how the number required by parking spaces is calculated. And while it while we wouldn't, I think, impose that different calculation on you at this point. And you're actually, at least with this system, which which has its issues, you were close for this building. I think it required under the new calculation, I think it would require 21 bike parking spaces. There's also a short term exterior bike parking requirement, requirement. But that's, that's a separate issue. Yeah. Right. But I think it's your, you're going to have, you're going to be further off over at Downing Square, with the space that you've allocated over there. And I want it when we when we get to Downing, I don't know if we want to jump over there to talk about bike parking now. But I, it wasn't as clear to me from the plans exactly what you were thinking. Yeah, I don't have a, I don't have a full plan of that. Here, but I can't because it looked like there was a couple hundred square feet allocated. Yeah. Right. Well, what I was going to suggest, overall, if Jenny's amenable, is that you work with the department to try to find racks that will be more compliant and try to get as close as you can to complying with our current bylaw without otherwise interfering with it with your plans here. Thank you. Yeah, we'll do that. But I am curious to know what you have in mind for the Downing. So essentially, what we've been looking at at that Downing was putting in a couple of these, you know, obviously lifted up sort of this type of bike rack, but essentially be able to put one of these units along this wall. Okay, so basically it would end up having two units. So I'm trying to remember was it on this one? It was two eight foot units. And I think we have bike storage. Yeah, bike storage was in this room. We have our elevator machine room right here. So we need to be able to get access to that as well as well as be able to get around the bikes as well. But basically, it was the capacity we were talking about on this system was something like 18 bikes overall in the, so two those eight foot long sections in here access from the outside, completely enclosed, but that would be what we were looking to put in. And I think under the new under the new guidelines, if they were applicable, right, you would be looking at in excess of 50 bike parking spaces for for development that size. Yeah, we've made some pretty substantial changes. So you're lucky, you got into the whole disapproved of the complete round and these things, but that would also be like all enclosed interior or is it parking some exterior outside? Are there are there are there's like a certain percentage that has to be there? It's it's broken down between long term and short term with and with long term, there's there's a preference for enclosed and covered. Yeah. Short term can be just, you know, regular bike racks. The short term, we could probably, I mean, yeah, around the site, we have capacity on the site for for exterior by parking. I mean, the the the building itself is, you know, it's a lot more constrained, mainly because of separate reasons. I mean, we have this really, frankly, strangely shaped building, because of all the setbacks, you know, recording is then on on each side. And it gets a lot harder to just say, Okay, I'm going to make something bigger, right, especially on the ground floor. But with those setbacks come to space. So we've got, you know, right in here, you know, it's almost perfect because we have sidewalk coming along here. We've got ramp coming up here, it's access to the bikeway. Yeah, you know, there's a good even under the trees over here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, here, it's a little tighter because we've got great location because you're ready against retaining a wall. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to try to squeeze something else. Yeah, because we've we've been looking at other projects where, you know, where they couldn't have interior secure space, they've they've been looking at detached structures, you know, like a bike cage kind of thing, like the like the ones they have at a wife, for instance, and that wouldn't be subject to setbacks. Well, I think it might be. Yeah, but so I think that we would run into trouble with those. But I think we could certainly do short term. If we're doing it a short term, I think that's yeah, I think we could do a number of short term sort of smaller racks around the building. So I think I think it's these are such significant projects. It would be a shame to have to have them be so far off from, you know, where we've where we've decided to go with with bike parking. So, you know, I think I think working with the department, you'll be able to get at least at least some way closer. Yeah, we'll do that. We'll absolutely do that. Thank you. Great. Thanks. Any other questions? My only other question just is about some of the coloration on this on the dining square. Yeah, building itself. So on the 117 Broadway project, a lot of the where you're using a lot of the the the fiber cement panels to create some some linear elements to really kind of break up the facade. It looks like it's kind of a a gray or light gray or stone putty putty color. Yeah, that's kind of that beige. I mean, I think we'd be looking here. Yeah, so this kind of color. Yeah. So this is rendered as a pretty stark white here. Is that the intent? Or is this I mean, I think I think what we were, I mean, the the trim around here, that was, I mean, we could, I think that is looking, I mean, we could add in a bit of the putty color to that, because we have like more than one piece to it. The the because we do have white all the way around the windows, we have white trim around windows, obviously. So but we I think we would be looking, you know, there is another, you know, white, white color that you know, in addition to to that, particularly at the downing side, you concerned about these thicker white? Yeah. Yeah, they tend to break it out. Right, they might they might break it up a little more than I think it is intended. And one of one of the other things, if you could just take a look at it, I like the way that you are using some of these vertical elements to break apart, where you have these bands of windows to create a sense of architecture and, you know, really breaking up the facade. But I'm just wondering, you know, again, like you have in the other side, if that same shiplap element might continue above, so this really kind of reads as one, one element, rather than continuing the larger fiber cement panels, just something to take a look at because I think, you know, again, I like that you're creating these, these bands and it would mimic more what you're doing on, brought your, yeah, on no one on the smaller building. We are using that same, which I like, we're using the same kind of kind of element, and it might just tie the two buildings together a little bit more, even though this one is much more kind of smaller scale residential feeling, you know, this obviously, you know, reads well as a mass in and of itself, but this, again, it might just be a nice element to reinforce that residential scale. Rachel, I would have thought the other way around, I was going to suggest. I think it should be, I think, you know, so you could look at it either way, but I think I think it should read as a single element. Like on the blue here, I would just remove some of the white bands there. So they read more of a massive void up and separating chunks, like they did on the other building. I kind of like what they did on the other building by separating it. It's, it's, it's, I see your point. Let's not get too bogged down. But I would go, I mean, I'm not, I don't go strongly either way. I just, in fact, it's different on both buildings. That's all. Yeah, right. Yeah, just to be clear, the special part of the issue we're putting any new conditions on them, I understand it's just something to take a look at. I just had one other question, which I think was answered, and I just want to confirm. So this drawing shows trees on both Broadway and Everett Avenue, but you're not putting trees on Everett. Yeah, I don't think we have as much with the sidewalk there or so. If there's enough space, we will do it. We just don't think there is enough space in terms of putting the sidewalk. I think that's the problem. And again, the perspective is not to go with any traditions on you today, but it would be very nice if you put street trees where there is space. We understand. We like them too. But on the submitted drawing, it's just on Broadway. Yes, it's just in those. That's from the original application. The submitted drawing doesn't follow on Broadway. It's making sure, so, but, and, and just in terms of following up on the Broadway trees, we would follow up with that with DPW as well. Yes, yeah, and we have it's similar to the sidewalk question. And in that conversation, we could talk about future street tree plantings on Everett. And Broadway, I think anything that remains after this evening would be an administrative situation with the board would be the department. The only hopefully it would be an administrative situation, but like just in case, you know, our fiber cement company just continues a color in two months, you know, that would be an administrative sort of thing. We would just talk to talk to each other with a reason. We're not going to go. Wouldn't you want yellow, for instance? Major changes would have to reopen a special part. Okay, all right. So is there anything else? I'm just saying I'm very happy this this project is moving ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I did sit on the board when we were doing this, and I'm really excited and glad you guys get financing and move us ahead. Thank you. We're very excited as well. Thank you very much. So I do want to offer the folks in the audience the opportunity to ask some questions. Again, it's not a public hearing, but I'm going to conduct it as a reward, so please raise your hand, stage your name and address for the record. You are on the camera, so be polite and we'll go in order. If there are any questions from members of the audience or comments. Yes, sir. Comments. I didn't realize I'd have the opportunity to speak, because it may not be the forum for it, but I am a recipient of all the hard work and compassion and time that Housing Corp of Arlington puts in. And I mean, just being a recipient of all the time you spend here, I'd like to extend my gratitude and thank you on that on the 70-year quadriplegic at Capitol Square. And, you know, as I say, I'm blessed to have it. I was a, I'll go quick, background. I was just a regular sales guy. I was an overachiever. I dove at Lake Bonapasaki on weekend with my family, did a two-month coma here in the hospital, two years with Xenoma movement and kept pushing, but to go from where I was to living on disability. There's no way I could, you know, it was either to leave Spalding. It's either a nursing home or a home. And everybody may have been on the board then for the approval of Capitol Square, but that's where Pam got me in. And again, thank you so much. It's great. Thank you. Brian, thank you for a remarkable, remarkable healing. Yeah, yeah, he's very blessed. Very awesome. Anyone else? All right. So we'll leave Steve. Oh, Steve, I'm sorry. I am Steve Propilock, 111 Sunnyside Avenue. I live a few blocks away from the proposed or the the 117 Broadway project. And, you know, I'm looking forward to welcoming Pam to the neighborhood. Thank you. You've done a lot for providing, you know, affordable housing in the in the town. And I think that's very commendable. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. Thanks, Steve. Any other comments? Bring it back to the board at this time. So what we would be doing is voting to approve the conditions as stated on the agenda for Special Permit 3519 and Special Permit 3520. Except that the general condition one has been met. I think we'd be. Yes. Yeah, OK. So except that the general condition has been met for Special Permit 3519. We'll do this separately. So motion. Second. All in favor. Aye. And we would move that general condition one for Special Permit 3520 be accepted. So moved. Second. All in favor. Aye. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Great work. Really excited to see you. Thank you. Should we leave all this here? No. No. It's yours. Let me take the whole set. You want to have the whole set. So I figured you'd want that. Yeah, just leave it all down here. Thank you. And I'll take. It's good feedback. Are you going to take those samples fast? Yes, I am. Are you going to take those samples fast? Say I'll just take everything else. I'm not going to leave you with big piles of bread. I think she might like them as the plate. Well, I was thinking that. But I do. I mean, the only thing about it is like. It's OK. OK. Yeah. She doesn't want to get back and say, what color was it that we chose? Yeah, it turns out that I took yours. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah, I understand. I understand. All right. We'll give them a minute or so to pack up. We do still have some other agenda items to discuss. At least administratively. So we'll move on there in just a moment. Thank you. Great job. All right. So meeting minutes from August 12th, if anyone has any comments, corrections on these. Yes, I have one. Go ahead, Cameron. She went. We made some finding. But she's giving me the answer. Where's but the food mart? Is I didn't say to them about the rest of them. Well, I can say about the dimensions about the parking. Mr. Lowe, it's just a big, big mirror around me. I don't think it's a big mirror around me. So it's fine. Yeah, I mean, you've got a few glasses. Just shut off the drive. Oh, food like, I don't know what you mean. Yeah, the parking, is that what you're talking about? Yes, the driveway was not wide enough. As soon as I said we'd be in that right in the process, you still, you still, you still. It's fine. Bye, Ryan. Thank you. See you. It's looking. I don't think there's a camera. I think there was something. I don't know where we were talking about parking in there. Okay, parking space dimensions. Is the parking width the driveway width? Yeah, it's the driveway width. Okay. Yeah. I don't remember that. Parking driveway width dimensions. It's tapered. Yeah. That's great. Okay. I remember that discussion. Great. And if they said something, figure it out. Okay. They're all full-size cars. Or maybe you make those. That's still something I'm working with them on. I think we were talking about changing the last one to either be compact or accessible or both. They still have to remember that. Yes. I remember that discussion. Just so they get the proper width at all. Okay. So I deleted the words, I will delete the words space and put in driveway width. Okay. All right. Anything else? Anyone else? Jane? I was not there. I'm abstaining. That's right. You're abstaining. All right. So then, motion to approve the minutes as amended? Second. All in favor. All right. Okay. Abstain. Okay. Great. Moving on to our open forum. So I'll take public comment at this time on anything. Every day the board won't make any decisions on anything that comes to force tonight. I'm proud. I appreciate everyone who would like to speak. So actually, I'll make this your call. So I wanted to talk a little bit about town day. So I spent town day volunteering in vision Arlington's tent where we had a housing survey. Now I was planning to sort of summarize the survey results. Or if the town manager will be here on October 7th, I'm wondering if it might be more appropriate to hold that. I think it would be. And if you could submit whatever you have so that we could take a look at it. I think what I'd like to do as discussed at town meeting since then is for anything relating to housing issues that are sort of on the horizon to do it on that night where there would be a better opportunity for a dialogue amongst more stakeholders in town. I think that would be more fair to everyone involved, presenters, board members, town officials alike. I'll send you a document. Please send that in. We'll make you part of the record so that it's available by the evening and we can go from there. Mr. Seltzer. Don Seltzer, Irving Street. I just had an observation to make about the Heights Hotel proposal that's coming up at the end of October again. Just two weeks ago, I guess at the select board meeting, there was a hearing for the owner of the property on the other side who wants to put in a liquor store there. And I know that you asked the developer for the hotel to do a detailed traffic study and the select board had suggested to the liquor store owner that he should do a traffic study and maybe the two owners should be aware of each other's efforts since they obviously would interact with each other. Okay. Thanks for the suggestion. Sure. Okay. Anything else from anyone? Well, I just wanted to thank Mr. Seltzer for not just providing the information that was part of the record tonight, but for your participation in this ongoing process and also for bearing with us as we work towards improving our public participation in our meetings and in our public hearings. So thank you for that. I think we're both trying to figure out the proper form of dialogue. I did want to ask you, though, without diving into the materials you gave us. It is a lot of material. It is. Is there anything in particular you think would be helpful to guide our review of it? Well, I'm not only presenting three slides that were part of it. And I just wanted to provide you with all the backup data that had gone into it. I didn't expect the stuff I threw into the standalone type of document. That's why I would have preferred to just talk, use summary slides and explain how everything related and have the backup data if you were interested in where it came from. And I had to appreciate you providing that so that we have some context to work with. I know there's a lot there and it's in a rough form. And as I said at the beginning of the meeting, what I will do is I will give you the first opportunity to speak after the presentation by the town and the town manager so that we can have more of, like I said, more of a dialogue about what the end result might be and how we move through this process. Sounds good. Others? We are way ahead of schedule, but I'm not going to complain about that. So unless anyone else has anything, I'll take a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn? Second. All in favor? All right. Thank you everyone. Thank you.