 I want to talk to you about this because this has been a little bit of a topic it's probably just the topic in the vegan movement not much but what do you think about supporting these mainstream companies that put on a vegan option uh you know and people go well you can't support companies so that are non-vegan um but they put on like a you know let's just say kfc subway you know mcdonald's uh tesco they're putting on out of vegan range uh are you someone who would say you know hell yeah are you someone who would say no uh only support uh 100 percent ethical businesses what's your view i can't think of a better thing for the animal rights movement yeah i think one of the biggest issues with people going vegan is also the convenience factor yeah it's too hard what am i gonna do this is where i eat i go to this supermarket i go to this restaurant i get this fast food i'm like they don't have vegan stuff there what am i i can't do that yeah my job there's no vegan places around what do you want me to do i'm not gonna be vegan to be able to have these options at these such popular restaurants so it's been really interesting actually tim hortons they have i think over 7 000 locations in canada they put the beyond burger in all of their stores and they advertised it every side drive by huge billboards on the highway like plant-based meat options this is amazing wow they're really normalizing it they're the convenience factors through the roof yeah incredible i'm so happy absolutely and they and they're selling out of it yeah um so that's tim hortons they did the same at a and w they were selling out of the beyond burger yeah they just brought it into subways selling out yep absolutely dominating there yeah there's so many i make Starbucks bringing in vegan options and just so many different places bringing vegan options i never heard any negativity from on my post at least sharing this and i share every single one of them saying how amazing i think this is to have these vegan alternatives in these such mainstream places where people kind of be like i've heard about vegan stuff or um they go with their vegan friend their vegan friends suggest why don't you just try it try this people start seeing well this is delicious and i feel pretty good that it isn't actually an animal i don't like causing animal cruelty i heard these are healthier as well they're better for the planet too they have just as much protein it's huge makes a lot of sense it's huge they have millions of dollars in marketing they have restaurants all over the world they can reach the mainstream like no other they're doing all the advertising for us man i'm like thanks thanks for spreading the vegan message for us i'm so stoked the funny thing is as soon as kfc did it everyone goes so not everyone a group of people um a group of vegans like no how can you promote this because kfc is very obviously selling tortured chicken but that's what that main thing right but but i don't think that kfc are an inherently they're not morally distinct from starbucks of course so cows they're all over the world i don't think you know but but i saw the same people who are emotionally against kfc would happily walk into starbucks and get uh it get no latte and i'm like wait a second where you're getting shopping from here well it was just a new attachment you have to go shopping at you know 100 vegan businesses this is not achievable and it's not practical and it's a big problem to even promote that and i'm not you won't see me promoting that because i'm trying to reach the mainstream i want to reach those low income families that are just eating meat they never heard of vegan before and they go they walk into mcdonald's and there's a mcvegan there totally and they can choose that over the slaughtered enslaved dairy cows body that's minced up in the other burgers you know absolutely man and i think that you know yes kfc they kill so many so many dead chickens millions tens of millions it's not it's horrific yeah but if anyone can change anyone so what else workers change we change people change businesses change too yeah and when they see a demand for ethical alternatives yeah for vegan alternatives they put one there they see how well it goes they put another they put another it's not going to be long before it's v kfc yeah vegan kentucky fried whatever they want to call it vegan chicken kentucky fried a corn yeah it's all like that it's gonna be and and so that's what i want i don't want to just boy i don't think boy recording them is something that's going to work because too many people are not interested they don't even want to go vegan and eat vegan alternatives a lot of people to ask them to boycott their favorite restaurant because they maybe have some unethical practices it's just it's not practical it's not pragmatic it's not gonna happen no um i wish everyone would just totally boycott every fast food channel only at vegan restaurants but that's just not reality so let's work in what's reality what are people gonna do they can choose a vegan option at these places and that's what people will do that's why i'm selling out and that's and that's what's going to motivate them to wow i wasn't expecting that to do so well let's invest let's invest some more money into creating more of these options whoa they're selling out too people want the option it's it's almost like i was talking to alex herche after he's been a vegan for 40 years and in animal rights for you know a lifetime of longer than what you've been here yeah so and he was saying like most people they know that eating meat is cruel factory farming is cruel you don't have to tell them anymore they just need the convenient food choice so what we need to do is change the food system from above so that there's choices available so people can you know it's convenient for people to choose you know like let's just sort of a fried um corn Kentucky fried corn burger right there they don't have to you know they don't have to reach for anything they don't have to go find a vegan restaurant somewhere it's right there so it's on every corner on every corner people will make a moral choice if it's convenient they want to they want to they're just like that's a bit harder vegan places we don't have many around oh is that kfc well that i can do yeah i was at Subway i can do that too these are the places that are in every food court in every shopping centre on every corner and this is before that wasn't a thing like where am i gonna get vegan food no way wasn't in my consciousness before i was thought it's impossible to get a vegan burger in McDonald's or kfc or Subway i was just like and it goes from being hard to find to being on every corner um every country on earth on earth wow one of the biggest things what about what do you think about x vegans you know like think of that think of people who go vegan and then they they're struggling to for because of convenience or you know the family issues where their family is going into a restaurant and you know there's no vegan options and and that's social pressure but if there's vegan options in these restaurants and we're supporting them and promoting them and you know they go into kfc their friends have had a few beers that night they go into kfc there's a vegan option for them it just it's just helping people stay vegan as well of course it is man yeah so social pressure is a you know for certain personality types yeah and a lot of people would just want to fit in and just do what everyone else is doing and don't don't want to be asked questions about their lifestyle and don't have the confidence to answer and that's that's a legitimate concern for people i'm going to be different people are going to look at me different i'm not going to get invited to things and i'm not going to be able to go out to eat with my friends and my friends won't invite me because there's no vegan option there it's like no you don't have to worry about there's going to be a vegan option there now you can eat with them it's going to look the same it's going to taste the same in fact it's probably going to motivate your friends to eat like you too yeah maybe out of respect maybe out of curiosity maybe they'll taste and be like that's actually delicious and they care about animals too maybe they would make changes for the same reasons you do the convenience factor going through the roof is for sure i mean it's one of the biggest stuff do you think that's one of the biggest convenience for a hundred percent if everybody if everybody could just if everybody could go out right now go to do all the same shopping they could do eat the exact same tasting food that they can and it'd be vegan of course they would do that they'd be like it would you'd have you so illogical not to do that um what would they do it for because they want to contribute to animal cruelty because they want to destroy the plant because they want unhealthy food we have the same food that tastes the same that looks the same in the exact same location that's where you already eat and it is better for all the reasons you can only perfectly healthy on it and it's just as convenient you'd have to what kind of person wouldn't choose that it makes no sense so it just comes down to but there's there's certain other factors as well so it comes out to educating people that yes this is a healthy choice a healthier choice it's better for you and your family make this choice when possible and then it's like it's always possible you can do this anytime you go shopping now it's become more convenient than ever and not only is it more convenient than ever but you can eat the same things you already eat you like you like kfc we go vegan kfc at kfc go enjoy you don't have to be a healthy vegan if you don't want we recommend eating a whole fruits plant based diet that's how you feel your best if you don't want to do that cool just stop killing animals in the process of you getting your calories and you can easily do that by choosing the vegan alternatives and if i was to like you cannot support kfc you must only i'll just think like we we don't we're not in a position to have that flexibility to go you can only buy vegan food from here we need people buying vegan food from wherever it's available you know the world's like oh god we need radical change we need radical change we need people working from below we need direct action from above we need corporations putting on vegan options we need everything working together and the last thing i'm going to be doing is like anti-vegan product activism yeah i don't do that i don't do any of that and look like yeah everyone's got their heart in the right place of course you know we all i just we all want the same thing vegan world as soon as so i always have different ideas on how to get there and that's fine it's you know it's no hate on anybody with that opinion or anything but um me personally i don't think that's a logical or consistent opinion um and yeah i definitely i definitely support vegan options being everywhere it almost feels counter-intuitive though doesn't it because like you have the like everyone's got this emotional attachment to a place like McDonald's like i used to hate McDonald's have their own slaughterhouses you know what i mean it's but it's it's it's more of an emotional reaction it's not a logical one it's not up here like okay is this going to be good to have a different option for cows cows want a vegan burger at McDonald's i think they might like i don't know if i was a cow i'd want a vegan burger at McDonald's tell a joey burger so you know i completely agree that's a great perspective to look at it from