 This great God The transcendent infinite eternal one that we worship Has continually reminded the human human family that there are two waves He instructed Adam and Eve this way in the Garden of Eden He instructed the children of Israel this way as they stood on the brink of the Jordan Ready to enter into the land of promise Later on years later Hundreds of years later Jeremiah again re-echoed this refrain And I'm going to quote to you in brief from Deuteronomy chapter 30 Where God says it this way Behold I have set before you life and death Therefore choose life. That's what God wants from us. He wants us to choose life He has always wanted us to choose life and he has provided the perfect remedy in the Lord Jesus Christ So that you and I old and young alike no matter where we come from No, what no matter what our cultural diversity might be all of us may have life We're here tonight because we want to embrace life We want to embrace the living Lord Jesus and his kingdom We want to embrace the ways of God and we want to live those in 2021 for the glory of God we are We encounter as we as the human family makes the journey we encounter a diverse Set of circumstances and and we're living in this time in this day And so we're wanting to address in this panel discussion tonight some of the issues that you and I face In this world in 2021 So we have a panel discussion whether Joe Kurtz will be leading this panel and Brother Joe you and your panel may come forward and we'll look forward to being ministered to by you Let's pray Gracious God Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus. We thank you for the opportunity that lies just immediately ahead of us We thank you father for the for the Blessing that we anticipate you to pour out upon this Assembled throne tonight through the efforts the inspirations the instruction of this panel Would you bless them each one? If there's anxiety in their hearts, I pray Heavenly Father you would work a mighty calming effect there If there's uncertainty there, I pray Heavenly Father that you would give them clear direction. I Pray Heavenly Father for brother Joe as he moderates that you would give him wisdom and discernment and that each of us as we participate as we listen as we receive Might receive with discernment that which is spoken to us So use these dear brothers tonight Heavenly Father for your glory Work mightily through them with them with this people and may the Lord Jesus and his kingdom be furthered and Exalted tonight in Jesus name. We pray amen Thank you for that prayer for the current good evening To everyone welcome To this panel discussion that we're Talking about tonight the overarching topic that title that was given to the talk is Spreading life in a culture of death My name is Joe Kurtz and I'm here with my wife Doreen and six children We're from Granby, Massachusetts, and I'll be moderating the The panel discussion here Tonight, it's our hope that what we share here is not just it's not just ideas or but rather something that that can inspire us to to action and Can inspire us to have to have more more compassion? I think what I'll do it at this time is Introduce the the panelists and before I do that. I just want to mention that the You can go to the website even now While we are having this discussion and you can submit questions there During this time. We need a couple of you to do that be a blessing if we had a few more Questions come in and those will be those will be sent to us so Each of the Each of the panelists First of all, I'll tell you about the structure and then and I'll introduce the panelists so first of all each of them will come up here to the podium and they will present the Remarks that they have prepared to share with you and I'll be giving them about about seven minutes to To do that and if they're if they're nervous, it's because they're not sure how how the How they're gonna do that. I was telling Tim before Earlier this afternoon that if I knew a little bit about how they make Condensed milk that maybe I'd know how how we can do this panel discussion How I could get all of this condensed into a tin can so they'll present for seven minutes and then he will sit down and for the next Seven minutes. We are going to interact with each other so It's like we're sitting in the living room asking each other questions and you're all welcome to listen and We'll go through that four times There's four there's four topics and four men will go through that four times and then we'll transition to the last segment of our of our time and Then we'll be I'll be directing questions to them that have come in from you So thank you for those that have already presented questions again. Go to the website kingdomfellowshipweekend.org Go to the 2021 event you can scroll down to this evening's event There should be a link there click on that hyperlink and you can you can submit a You can submit a question So if we have time and it applies we may Attempt to answer it and with that the first topic is helping the homeless We have Patrick Matthews here. He's all the way over on the left and Patrick is from Chambersburg He is gifted with many ideas and and much passion for getting things started He has lots of ideas of what he would love to see done for the kingdom of God yet and He is I would say that from what I've seen. He is making the best use of the time that that God has That he has recently I was driving in the car with him and he says, you know Joe I wish I had started on this life a long time ago and well He is I think doing a good job at welcome Patrick. We're glad that that you're here to join us and He also has a passion for seeing things restored whether it's old buildings or worn furniture that needs new upholstery or Broken lives that are in need of restoration and and wholeness His love for beauty and his attempt to seize the moment is often expressed through his skill in photography Which is a favorite hobby His burden for this talk helping the homeless is born out of his own experience living in a car and Time spent behind bars. You didn't know I was going to say that to you The next topic is mark Yoder mark is seated over here mark has spoken a few times already He is from Costa Rica. He was born in the Shannon just real real quick here He was born in the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia when he was 11 years old When he was a boy, they moved to Costa Rica where he still lives 53 years later and his wife Ruthana of 36 years Him and his wife Ruthana currently live in Chachagua, Costa Rica Where he serves as pastor they have five children and three Three grandchildren marks time is divided between pastoral duties and also the publishing house where he does reviewing Writing and illustrating they publish a bi-monthly paper. Some of you May be familiar with this one. I won't try the Spanish, but the English version is the torch of truth and a favorite a favorite hobby of Mark Marks is birding watching birds and taking pictures of them and collecting all all Different kinds of pictures of birds and his burden for this topic loving the fatherless Rises out of his years of experience working with those who struggle due to a lack of a father Next we have Wolfgang Mijiani welcome exposing unethical vaccines He's a small town emergency room doctor in Ohio He lives in Homs County, Ohio with his wife Lori They have been married for 27 years and have eight children one of whom is with the Lord and also they have a grandchild Wolf was raised Catholic and Lori's wife was raised Lutheran. They have been among the playing communities now for about 29 years Dr. Mijiani has been writing and speaking for some years already about tainted vaccines If you would like to read more of what he has written You can go to I'll say this twice and a Baptist medical matters dot blogspot.com and a Baptist medical matters dot blogspot.com Someday when the practice slows down Wolf hopes to refine his hobby of rebinding classical Christian books and and Bibles Next we have Tim Kipfer Welcome Tim He's gonna be speaking here on fighting addictions two years ago He moved from Virginia to Boston where he is currently studying at Sadler College Him and his wife Gina have three children age five and under Favourite pastimes for Tim and his family are exploring the coast doing hikes and enjoying downtown Boston What's ahead for Tim and his family in the next two years they're planning to move To India along with a couple other families in a mission effort. I'm sure they'd appreciate prayer Tim's burden for this topic fighting addictions comes from his own struggles as well as his Experiences helping others realizing that many others struggle with sexual addictions so with that Patrick would you Come up and you can share your I'm gonna take a selfie the largest KFC selfie as we can do If I can get it to go now everybody say cheeseburger Okay, I know that's kind of hokey, but that's That's just how it goes. My name is Patrick Matthews. That was a first here at KFW Sorry, I'm really nervous I'm not used to doing things like this. I know how to break things I don't know how to talk to people without a sledgehammer and unfortunately, I don't have a sledgehammer. I Have a couple other things anyway Give you a little indication where I came from I came here nine years ago and I created a stir Jason Funk and Abner Zook Took me and baptized me out back in the creek This was the first year that KFW was here and it caused a bit of a ripple So if that's any indication of how I do things and I basically Do things that are out of the box a bit Okay, I work. I have a Half-way house for sex offenders in Chambersburg. I am a sex offender I did something that I shouldn't have done. I went to prison and my life changed Before that I collected debt for motorcycle clubs and I was a horrible individual. Like I said, I had a sledgehammer I know how to break things. I don't know how to fix things The job that I have I can tear things off quicker than they can put them together So they hired me and they pay me really well. I like breaking things. Okay That was my form of trying to get rid of this I came out of prison and I started a ministry called Harkin House Ministry I want to give a shout out to Chambersburg Christian Fellowship because I came out of the streets And I walked into a group of conservative Mennonites that were trying to acclimate to a new form of Church one that we weren't used to we're Swiss Brethren and we were trying to adopt more of a urban mission and it's kind of Caught them in a surprise because I'm pretty loud And I say what I think and they're trying to love on me and not show it, but it causes pains in both directions Harkin House Ministry the way it works is men come out of prison and they try to tell me stories I grew up as a debt collector for motorcycle clubs And so I'm used to calling people out and bringing them to accountability And I have the same kind of thing when it comes to homelessness I hear people in the streets of Chambersburg come up to me and all the time they'll ask me Can I have this can I have that you know? I've had people ask me for as little as twenty five dollars and for as much as fifty eight thousand dollars Which I was impressed when they asked for fifty eight thousand dollars I was like how do you fathom that but at that point my recovery Chambersburg Christian Fellowship was mentoring me about My debt load and so I had to tell them I owe thirty eight thousand dollars if you give me thirty eight I'll give you fifty eight and they went away Accountability with giving to people in the streets has been my call arms I have people constantly come to me and ask me can I have this can I have that can you pay for a motel room? And I say excuse me stop. Let's talk about this. Is this sustainable and most times? It isn't because they only want temporary measures and I'm not willing to give a temporary measure I want a permanent solution which means I want to get down in the dirt with them in their problem and help wrestle them back To a church like this My resurrection off the streets came from a man in a church. I told you I'm a sex offender Nobody wanted me my family didn't want me I lost everything and in that pit called prison or the modern-day Monastic community as I call it I saw it God and I fell on my fell off of my bed and I tapped out and I said I can't you can help and I wanted to be I wanted the problem fixed, but I didn't want to fix me And the unfortunate thing when you change with Christ you fix you and then if you have that kind of standard You don't let people push you around or at least I don't so My whole thing with working with people in the streets who are homeless or helpless is I question their motives and I am I think one of the healthiest things that we can say to people in the street who are like, you know that guy at Walmart Oh, I just need five hours for this or that I Always say no and I don't have any problem with that I don't believe that we're supposed to give all the time I was reading and I'm trying to do this quick and off the cuff And I'm sure I'm gonna forget about 50 things and Joe's gonna say you're done And I'm like I didn't get it all out, but that's okay Give me a second. I have to pull to it because I wrote about 75 minutes worth of notes, and I'm probably going to get to two If that makes any sense to anybody, okay I was reading in Matthew 25 because that's always the call to for people when they're dealing with people in the streets Matthew says we got to help them But when I read it, I read that the ten virgins took Responsibility five of them took responsibility for their actions and the other five were trying to manipulate the five that took care of their reaction or their actions And if you read down the lesson on the ten talents, I believe says invest your money wisely And there's a reason he's saying take responsibility and invest because at the end of it they Sheep from the goat and see sometimes I think people in the street that are coming to us and say give give give with the sad story put that look You know I I need for so much We have to discern are they manipulating us? Or do they really need help? But I found out this is my summation on that one was people are God's investment So we should take care of God's investment with love, and I'm not sounding like I love these people Unfortunately, I think the best love we can give them is to say no You know there are many missions going on in this room right here And if we gave to every homeless person as much as they want it There'd be nothing for the missions that are doing work. There's a social response to homelessness There's a political one, and there's a spiritual one anything less than a spiritual response to people who are begging or Needing assistance on an ongoing thing is Probably the only response. That's why I'm here because my church chambers for Christian fellowship. I'm putting a plug in for him I'm representing is They pulled me out of apathy by saying no to me and asking me to step up and take care of my problems My responsibility of financial liabilities and in that they didn't go for the outside They didn't say suit up and show up. They said show up and eventually your heart will also show up Thank You Patrick questions now from the panelists go ahead will I myself am a veteran and And I'm sure there's some other veterans here in the assembly And I think it's pretty well known that there's a lot of veterans out there that are homeless is there any unique approach that you would have and You know, I just feel we have so much to offer as a peace church to these veterans that are you know spiritually Injured in in destitute in many ways in North Carolina. There's a place called raise you up ministry I flew down there to look at it and they deal with people because first of all you're hungry They feed you second of all they give you clothes third They work with you to build a resume and if you come up missing and you're gone for three weeks they keep your resume and they follow you over and give you a chance to fill it raise you up ministry in North Carolina is Trying to completely heal somebody by all aspects. They take they have job training. They have mentoring One of the things they do is operation hugs How many of us are willing to walk across the street and grab somebody that stinks and hug them? There's something that happens when you love on a human being who's been in a war or been on the streets for a long time and you just hug them and That's what I like about raise you up ministry and I would aspire to do that, but I've got too many irons in my fire You were saying about saying no when they ask for things. I understand. I agree with that I do not give any money to drug addicts and things like that. What do you say about offering them a meal? When they come to my house, we feed them sometimes Or in the street I buy some for them Like that it suggests that's that actually one of the best ones It's hard for them to sell the food that you're giving them, especially if they're eating in front of you One time somebody asked me for money and I said all I have is a credit card. They said well, I take credit cards and I Wasn't prepared for that But food is the grease our social grease Boston has learned this state college has learned this that you bring people in for a Meal and that's a time when you break bread. Jesus taught us to feed each other. I Love to feed people. I'm sorry. I didn't get to it because I was spinning I have another question So should we be scared of homeless people? Unless they have a knife now if they have a knife run away if they have a gun run towards them You understand that's a street term because with a gun they can't get it off as quick as you can tackle them I'm sorry, it depends because there's different Now I'm going to step into something really weird demonic possession and we all see it working with people in the street if they're Demonically oppressed and Satan doesn't like what you're doing. You may get attacked. Do we take one for the team? Sometimes we have to discern if we have our family to avoid this and I think as we go in towards the end times Repossession in the name of Christ will be the thing that we need to focus on. I let the cat out of the bag And then maybe just a follow-up So if I'm out on the streets shit and I see you homeless person Is it good like can I make a change in that person's life just as an individual or should I be directing them to an Institution or somebody who's a professional I think we're called to call each man to Christ and then and usually if they're truly homeless and they don't want to hear it They'll tell you immediately. They'll say I want money. Oh, I don't have money and they'll tell you to go wet So you're safe in that bet if they don't want to hear it They'll run away But if you feel in tune or if you feel you need to just keep talking about Christ I like the term irritant for Christ ask Chambersburg Christian Fellowship Anybody here from Chambersburg Christian Fellowship ask them about irritation for Christ because I've been practicing it with them You want to know what irritation? I don't say no and I don't back up And if I feel adamant about something I will tell you what I think and That may seem un-Christ like but from the world I came from anything less than a knife fight or baseball bat is a peaceful protest And so what I'm doing is I'm talking to people in the way. I know how to speak and There's been many of people in state college that I've challenged We were doing something me and Brian were having a discussion I didn't like what he said and I got mad and I hung up and I let the phone go for five minutes And I called back and I imagine him going But he answered and I said my intention was this and because of the problem I went around it I want to continue on and do what I intended to do I'm willing to irritate you if I believe it will help so Patrick how has the The year of of COVID with all the thought of that going on how was that affected the Homelessness on our streets and cities in America You have a sense sense for that In the last year I got involved in a food distribution thing which was a farm the family program we handed out 700,000 gallons of milk and Seven teams or seven states we put out a hundred and forty million pounds of food that was given to us by the USDA But there's been abuses anytime the government gets involved in something it goes awry It didn't impact those locally it you know it dump food Homeless people in living in a car can only take so many boxes of 35 pounds of food that needs refrigerated So it was over-the-top, but people took it people were afraid Raise you up ministry is struggling to regain the momentum they had Kingdom Fellowship weekend you guys weren't here last year They asked me two years ago to sit up on this panel. Do you know what it's like? I'm impatient two years of waiting to be here anyway. Sorry But COVID has impact our society right now I'm struggling with something in my chest and it's like an overabundance of stuff and I'm not gonna get personal But I think everybody has been impacted whether we believe it or not. It is a real situation But I believe that Jesus Christ will protect me from it And I'm not gonna I will mask up if I'm asked to but I choose not to Thank you Patrick. We will now Transition to Mark if you would go ahead. I'm supposed to address the subject of the homeless loving the homeless Fatherless, thank you. Thank you fatherless. I enjoyed your talk. I was getting carried away with that Diminishing to the fatherless What is the fatherless person? What does the father supposed to do a? father is him is The father directs his children Did disciples them teaches them how to live and then gives them approval? And that approval from a father is one of such a beautiful wonderful thing To know that you're approved by your father, but there's thousands. There's millions of people out there that don't have that And a crowd like this. I won't even try to guess a percentage that have not had that a father Little love father care father direction and father approval When you work with people you run with this all over one in the beginning of my ministry years ago There was a young lady who her father was alive But he was not a father to her her family was dysfunctional and she became a part of the church And one day I was talking to her said Nudia You realize that because you do not have a father in your home in your life. You are weak towards men I want to warn you please be careful She and by then she was crying She said yes. Yes. Yes. I said be careful Your need of a father can lead you to the wrong man Some years later. I tried to be a father to her He spent many hours together praying with them. I tried to be a father to her some years later She left the Lord she left the church for a man And I'm married man And she's not married today. She's still single there was another brother in the church They got the big beard Stanzer tears running down his cheek and said mark. Why couldn't I have a father? Why couldn't I have a father? His father was when he was just a infant his father was killed his father was drunk and in the bed with another woman When they killed him He says why my father and where is my father? Why can't I have a father? When he came to the Lord That's darkest He lived not far from where we did about every day He'd stop by he'd sit on our porch and he wanted to talk to me about the day after our servers the most every servers in the Beginning he said come mark. I want to talk to you take me out and talk some of the brethren struggle a little bit with that But I was okay because he was needing a father He was needing a father Not too long ago two years ago. So my son built a house and there was two carpenters that were there They worked with us and darkest and some of the others went down and helped paint and they sang and they worked and and the impact The soul on these carpenters are when they left they had tears in their eyes But before they left the young man said to me, so I want to talk to you So he went outside and we sat down on the log and he started telling me about his problems About his life Here started coming up with my arms around him Give him the love The acceptance he ended up almost rolled up in my lap He came down as well. He just cried and cried and cried Because he needed a father There's another young man who his father committed suicide. They found him hanging in a tree His brother oldest brother was murdered We think we're not sure probably because of drug related things rather drug trafficking. We're not sure another brother was And the accident was killed a brother who was not living a Christian life after he came to the Lord and I Talked to him once about he just sat there and just cried and cried and cried. I prayed for him You might think it's funny, but one day we had a church activity where we were eating together And I was sitting on a bench and he was sitting beside me maybe 20 minutes Sitting there beside me with his arm around me like this If you'd have seen it, I even felt a little bit different Here's this young man How old is he 18? I forget that's 7 to 18 19. He's sitting there for the longest time. He's sitting his arm around me But I understood and I didn't mind and there's many more stories that I could say How do we help these people if we only focus this young man that was the carpenter that was crying in my lap I Invited him to Bible studies and I invited him to the fought the real father. That has not happened yet. I'm still waiting Because just to sit down and listen to his story and hear him crying and giving him love Doesn't take care of the problem. Some of these people have their their emotions their feelings all like like feelers out front like this Very sensitive to how they're treated because you know for me. I didn't have a father Some of you can mentally can relate to this The solution to this problem is not only focusing on Their lack of a father The lack that they have in their life. It has taken them to Jesus Christ And there's a point of death on the cross of Jesus Where we repent and we die and the only thing is important is my father loves me My father loves me and our Responsibilities take these people to find the real father and if I can be Halfway's father to them and love them and put my arms around them, but I am leading them to the real father Sounds 68 says a father to the fatherless and the judge of the widows is God in his holy habitation Have you noticed how often the bothered of God addresses this James? It says pure religion and undefiled before God and the father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and keep himself unspotted from the world But the the goal is taking these people and Finding the real father, you know, I've come to conclude, you know God designed the family God planned who fathers should be That came from his heart from who he is He has the father heart for us and not many of us. How many of you I'm not gonna ask you to raise your hands I would say more than half of you Felt a lack of your father a lack of his love and his approval How do we solve that sit around and cry about it all our lives? find the real father Our net our physical father is only a shadow of the real one And if we can lead people to find God This man whose father was murdered is in the church and he doesn't need me as much anymore He doesn't call me like he used to call me all the time and all he doesn't need me as much anymore. Why? He found the father the real one and all of us fathers are just an example To lead people to the father and if there's someone here tonight who has not Found the therefore father. He's waiting on you the real one not the shadow the real one Thank you mark Questions now from up here who would like to go who would like to be the first wolf Just this whole idea of People that have had bad relationships with their fathers The whole gospel message is is skewed and distorted Because they don't look at God as a father that might be a bad thing for them Can you give us some insight on how to project the love of the Lord? When they have this distorted view of who God is as a father Wow Good question brother like Patrick was saying We we give them love we give them acceptance, but we also say listen this You need to change this a father does that a father directs and say do this. Hey, what about this? Let's straighten this up you take responsibility for this Because what what humanity wants to do what a lot of us want to do is Is blame people around me and sit around and just feel pity myself and don't get anywhere. We need to help them To be responsible for their own lives This young man that I said it set his arm around him. He's in the southern part of the country now teaching school Hardly have contact with him anymore, but I trust him God is gonna work And but they need to take responsibility Trying to think how to put this When I came into the church as they were asking me if I wanted a heavenly father I didn't like what the earthly guy who wanted to be my father did to me I was a little boy on my knees and he did things to behind my back And he shouldn't have done and there was a lot of things that went on So when they said do you want an earthly father? I said I don't even like my my do you want a heavenly father? I don't even like my earthly father How do we begin to repair them damages done? I don't I'm sorry. I threw a big one Well, brother Patrick, maybe you can answer your own question better than I can but One thing that I have found in ministering working with people is I need to be very close to the Holy Spirit The Holy Spirit is the Comforter. He is the great healer. It's not me And so often I say Lord, what do I tell him now? How do I work with this? But I'd like to hear more You say about what happened in your life and if that way first of all, I want to show you something This is the first thing that helps heal people. Yes, brother Joel about it. I almost broke his back Okay, another another question. I have found this and once a person knows that I really really love him He'll take about anything that I need to tell him But I need to first confirm that he is loved and accepted by me another question so just thinking about the fathers that are here and You mentioned how it's possible to have a father But he's not emotionally present and so really the person is is maybe fatherless. How what what would you say to fathers? Yeah to to warn them about yeah being emotionally absent from their children You're talking about talking to the fathers now for their children That's partially what I was trying to address this earlier today and I really I really put in a plea for that We men need broken hearts We need to feel For our young children. We need to make it important to connect When they have struggles and when they have hard problems sit beside them walk with them The Holy Spirit is called the great comfort and if he's in us, we should do that to our children We need to take time I say again, please take time That your children feel loved Even if they blunder and make mistakes and fail even if they fall You're gonna dress that into pornography or whatever you show them that they're still loved by their father And then with the they're a half of the Holy Spirit direct them lead them Some of that takes time sometimes we'd like to have that happen One session two sessions Sometimes it takes quite a few more. Yes, I would say please and I I'm not saying this because My daughter is huge. She knows I was far from a perfect follow But am I working with people When your children are small, please please listen to them. They're silly questions They talk and they talk and they talk please father listen listen listen to their hearts when they come home and they Say something I Could still be a story about darkness, but I won't you know, but there's things that we laugh about They're not important. They're little minor things But if it hurts them take time and listen so that when they get bigger things more serious things They come to dad And say talk to dad about That brings a To memory a story ahead with my oldest son And he was of that age where he kept asking questions. Why this why that and he'd ask it over and over and over again and And you know much to my shame I you know, I was exasperated I said why why are you asking this over and over again and his response was well papa? I love hearing your voice so You know one of the recurrent things I hear here is you have to take time and You know We're at that time A lot of you people here are young You know at you on your deathbed you're not going to be saying I wish I spent more time with the office Invest in your relationships now There's no substitute for time. I know when we're stretched for time our nerves get stressed We get stressed with each other and Things go out the window family devotions One on one time these sort of things Okay, thank you Mark will transition now to you wolf. So if you take your mic you can go ahead and present your repaired remarks. I really appreciate what the Brothers here have just presented and to be honest I long a little bit for that because oftentimes these are our subjects that we can really get behind in a unified voice and spirit and To be honest. I don't like conflict Conflict verse So I really appreciate how the Lord used brother doctor Finney last night to bring a message of zeal and And so I appreciate that but what I'm gonna talk for going to present now is a complex issue in which I Sometimes feel like I'm caught in the middle between the Hatfields and the McCoys Are you fur again vaccines and I get that off from that ask that kind of Frequently, well, I just hope you hire hold your fire until the question periods But what you guys can fire away some questions that I'd appreciate that Specifically if you want to hear about the COVID vaccine you can ask about that But today I'm gonna be talking specifically about tainted vaccines And many of you will be happy to know that I'm not an anti-vaxxer and other Others will be feeling ready to get up because of that on the other hands Still many others of you will be happy to know that I'm not a pusher a vaccine pusher and yet more will be ready and Feeling like they have to get up at least because of that even amongst our Our people here. There's there's a wide range of views and it just seems like this is a very divisive topic So to those that remain I'd like to thank you with the words of our Lord But blessed are your eyes because they see here's because they hear Matthew 1316 There have been many great patriarchs at Abraham Isaac and J. Jacob quickly come to mind But I can't recall any of them from being a physician So I belong to that increasingly endangered species of Physicians that believes in not telling you what to do in a patriarchal manner But in providing you with information and a little advice and praying that you make godly decisions from that Clean conscience with the Holy Spirit In this area of COVID vaccines vaccines are big news But I have specifically been asked to address the issue of use of fetal tissue in the production of vaccines To be brief. This is a fact. It's not conjecture It's not conspiracy theory that aborted feces said fetuses have been used to develop and produce produce certain Mainly childhood vaccines and Allah have a time to say some of the polio vaccines and some COVID vaccines now for most of these There are alternatives But it started in the 1960s when a scientist took previously healthy Aborted fetus and fetus by the way means offspring or little one So he did dissected the lungs out of this little one and started to grow them in a lab Under these conditions the tissue can keep growing almost indefinitely producing a huge amount of tissue this tissue is then infected with the weakened form of the target virus and The culture is purified and then it's used to produce a vaccine which is injected in patients Stimulating a person to produce their own antibodies antibodies to that specific virus Person is then exposed to that virus in the usual Manor and just by contact with other people the antibodies will attack it and so they would prevent infections Now to be sure vaccines are eighty five to ninety five percent effective, but they're not one hundred percent There have been some objections to this Objection over using fetal tissue even in our own circles, and so I'm going to go over a couple of those briefly Number one No further abortions are needed while it's true that the original abortions happened many years ago Science has developed an insatiable appetite for new lines the cell nines lines are not immortal That means there's only a fixed amount of tissue that you're going to get there and it's actually huge amount But it's not they're not immortal and they genetically start breaking down after about 40 doublins if there is no conscientious objection Unbridled science acquires an insatiable appetite for more tissue and more abortions There have since been established a number of new cell lines Each requiring many abortions to develop often by competing companies Since these cell lines of humanity come under copyright laws It's no different and number two second argument is that it's no different than if a homicide victim donated his body to science While I would agree that this would not be an ethical problem if he signs his own donor card Or if his family agrees to it But what if the family member ordered the hit? Would that be ethical? This is the case of using aborted fetal tissue where the mother usually signs off on that order Proper consent is no problem is no small problem today Christians in China are executed in their body parts harvested without proper consent This is a real problem and it is and it's no conspiracy theory either Lastly and most problematic is the spirit of moral relativism in our day The Apostle Paul states in Galatians 5 19 a little 11 leaveneth the whole lump of these vaccines It has been said it happened a long time ago. It's done with there are worse things in life. Let's move on We've heard these words before and we should carefully consider where this leaven will lead us It reminds me of a leadership conference. I went to a few years ago put on by an otherwise staunchly Christian Protestant group In it the subject matter somehow migrated to the topic of scrambled eggs Bear with me here. The minister was actually speaking about divorce and remarriage It happened a long time ago. It's done with there are worse things in life. Just move on He said you can't unscramble eggs Much to my shame. I didn't speak up, but I know know that I should have said but I know someone who does So this ultimately leads us back to the theme of this conference. How do we spread life in the culture of death in? regard to vaccines we know that just like with divorce and remarriage God can unscramble eggs Process may involve great hardships and stir up great scorn Non-resistance does not mean non-conflict It's been said that in a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act in This day and age of the cancel culture taking a stand may cost jobs freedom and the esteem of our friends and neighbors But have we forgotten to gotten to the point of apathy where we can so easily dismiss what God calls an abomination Shedding innocent blood. I pray not I read I read a bumper sticker here Just today that said don't put a question mark God puts a period Paul says we are fools for God Christ's sake we are weak, but you are strong you are honorable But we are despised which camp are we in But to the souls in the world seeking an alternative to the fatalism of the day If we are perceived as making vaccine decisions out of a spirit of self-sacrifice and service to the Lord God can use us as fools and revolutionaries to spread the message of life in a culture of death Thank you Wolf who be the first to present a question here Sure, I'll ask a question so I really appreciate your What you said about allowing people to to make decisions and not being patriarchal in in your practice, where would you direct people to do their research and To make those decisions. Maybe if we don't have a doctor like you around in our community In this modern age. It's so easy to have your own sense of reality. You can watch your own news You can be with your own people you can do your own thing and everything will seem like a Just a different sense of reality that's totally opposite of someone next to you so I would go out and seek Opposite opinions and that takes it takes a lot of doing and of course seeking the Lord's wisdom in all of these things You know the Just looking at my own family We have one part of my family that says well, how can you not really care about my health? and the other side says well, how can you not care about my livelihood and And and this kind of thing but this is where the culture of life comes through if we Answer those questions not so much in terms of what's good for me But what's good for you and and how can I be self-sacrificing in this way? May I ask you a question? Let's Let's I was sitting in your office, and we'll just let them listen. I Had covid in June. I was in the hospital 15 days and ammonia my lungs and things and I come out now Praise the Lord. I'm just about normal. I praise the Lord for that But the doctor in town tells me I need to get vaccinated I Don't think so. I'm hoping I have antibodies so I Come up here, and I'm covered and protected the Lord above all But if I were telling you this what would you tell me? Would you tell me to go look on the sites and do the research? Would you just tell me what you would tell me if I was in your office? No, I wouldn't tell you what it if you're we have a relationship. I Would tell you what I would do in this situation, and that's usually what people ask doc would what would you do and Basically this idea of covid passports You know it defies Reason it's more of a practical application. It's made by policy makers who and and it if you look at most conflicts in life it It revolves around a degeneration of relationships and The relationship of the population now with people now with the medical community has It's dismal. It's it will take years and years to build that relationship of trust back again But policy makers want to covid passport because you know if you tell me I had covid in the past They're gonna say well, maybe you did maybe you didn't I want to see it written down Okay Scientifically speaking if you had covid you probably have antibodies that are as good or better than the shot Okay, so medically speaking you probably don't and now there actually is a test and people that have given blood can you know They'll know this but you there's a certain level of antibody measure how many antibodies you have to go So, you know a halfway thing would be let's see if you have an antibody response some people that had covid Don't have an appreciable level and it waxes wanes over time same thing with vaccines So to answer your question should I have the vaccine? You know, we may get to the point where the The authorities are saying you need to have this if you want to go and exchange goods in a store You need to have this if you want to fly you need to have this if you want to go to school And then we'll have to decide is this is this an issue? That's a religious conviction I will not use a boarded fetal tissue in the vaccines or is it a personal preference? I don't like the idea of having a an experimental Vaccine in me and it may be a religious issue too if you're talking about you know defending your children But the two of the vaccines the Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA. These are new vaccines They've been around for a year. No normally it takes approximately seven years to get this stuff Through the approval process and there's a purpose for that It's not just going through being counter to being counter to being counter and Bureaucrat to beer cat because it gives us time to look at the long-term effects So those two vaccines are experimental I would be The the the reservations I have them are hypothetical except for a few things like heart inflammation Which a lot of those are just they it's a transient thing. It's not a permanent damage the cardiomyopathy Those are permanent pericarditis is usually going to be a temporary But in even in those situations what we know are complications from the mRNA vaccines The risks and it depends on your your age group, you know, if you have if you have complications Your risk of dying from COVID in your over 65 75 is about 6% that makes a lot of sense for hypothetically a one in a hundred thousand chance of a complication So it depends on your situation now there is the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is based on fetal tissue now I think we need to be We need to be faithful and follow God's words and not compromise these things So those three vaccines are available They cause a lot of problems with people in using them and understandably so, you know I think as a physician to just write that off and say take it anyway, you'll be okay That's not responsible because one of the main tenets of medicine is informed consent Do you know the risks? You know the benefits if if the people that are being that are shouting out or the calling out that these potential conflicts are If they're being labeled as Misinformation and you're not getting that information. I think that's from a medical professional standpoint. That's that's no good That's not right so but I think we need to be we need to be faithful and As it happens There is a new vaccine coming out It's called the Nova Vax. It is not based off of fetal tissue. It is not MRNA. It's a traditional vaccine It should be out in the next few months personally Because there is a need into society to increase that herd immunity The people that have not had the vaccine have not had COVID or have not had it within the last nine to twelve months because over time that's COVID is a is a cold virus the reason why there's no cure for the common cold is because it changes so quickly The reason why we have a flu vaccine every year is because it changes so quickly But it's like this. So because you had it nine months ago or whatever Doesn't mean you're immune to it now so I forgot where I was going to lead with this but my own family I Would be okay with the Nova Vax It Yeah, go ahead Tim. Go ahead. Do I have a moral dilemma not talking about? COVID, but if there's a disease going through the world and killing a lot of people and the only vaccine available is one that was based on fetal cell tissue Do I have a moral dilemma or is that able to insult Okay, well the premise is not really true There isn't just one vaccine. I think there might be I can't think of a vaccine that there isn't an alternative to And so to say that we have to do this because it's the only thing the premises incorrect Now there's a social contract in society society the doctor or the medical establishment says Okay, you have a risk of these vaccines for these side effects. They they are pretty small We're talking about in the area of one to a hundred thousand So some serious complications In exchange for taking on that risk We are going to try and protect society and try and eliminate a lot of these viruses and and all my family has all had all the required vaccines and And We had to go through some lengths to do it I had to go to Japan to get some of these or had import them from Japan. It's a very difficult process but if the authorities Want us to have this in order to protect society. This is part part of the social contract Then I do not think it's and we're taking risk to do that the risk of the side effects It's it's not an unreasonable thing to say. Okay. I want an ethical alternative Now this is in a society where we have options and we can can turn these things down The authorities have given us that it will it may very well come to the point where that is not an option And they may say like in New York and some other states They've taken that away the religious exemptions away now you have to decide is this a religious conviction? Or is this a personal preference if this is a religious conviction? Then we have no choice but to follow the Lord if this is a personal preference then Let's have that discussion. You know, how far are you going to go in defying the authorities? and Defying the authorities. I think there's a lot of miscommunication in our In our people here death has lost its sting for us Okay, so wearing a mask if we get it We're I think the vast majority of us are ready to go on to our reward. Okay Yes, and however So wearing a mask may not have that high a priority In our lives, but we have to be very careful to the other 90% of the population they see not wearing a mask as an act of defiance okay, and and we don't want to be drawn into that trench of Us versus them because we need to follow the Holy Spirit and that's who we owe our allegiance to and We have to be careful of how How we're perceived in that Whether or not you think the mask works and I wish I had more time to just Discuss the efficacy of these things the scientific stuff, but it really doesn't matter You know if the authorities say we need to wear a mask and we're kind of beyond that until the next wave comes maybe We're beyond that it doesn't matter if the mask works or not the authorities say wear it. We should wear it Thank you Wolf now we're gonna transition here Tim, would you go ahead and? share your Repair remarks Oh, and sorry for that that came across a little bit journalistic so Sorry to change the subject It's a very interesting one let's Think about something different I Remember it was about five years ago a large group of men here at KFW met to talk about the issue of sexual purity Brothers Ken Miller and Joel Martin let it call for all those who had youth pornography in the last six months to step forward in confession As a larger and larger percentage of the group came forward brother Miller stood there weeping pleading for God's mercy on our people Would it be any different today? What is an addiction An addiction is any behavior that you use to cope with the pain in your life It is compulsive you do it again and again, although you tried to stop and it is destructive You know it hurts yourself and those you love a Partial list would include drugs gambling food working shopping phones and social media Pornography masturbation unhealthy relationships and the list could go on and on All addictions are sin because they dishonor Holy Spirit Do you not know that your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you whom you've received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price therefore honored God with your bodies All addictions can be overcome by the grace of God But when you are tempted God will also provide a way out So that you can endure I'm focusing on sexual addictions because it's part of my story and because I think it's prevalent destructive and Largely unaddressed in our churches and our communities It's not just a problem out there studies show That more than 68% of Christian men and 25% of Christian women struggle with unwanted sexual behaviors Sexual addictions destroy the body Flee from sexual immorality all other sins a person commit are outside the body But whoever sins sexually sins against their own body The bad news is that pornography physically corrupts the brain the body's control center Over time the pleasure center of the brain becomes wired For addictive behavior just like a drug addict The good news is that by God's grace anyone can be transformed by the renewing of their mind The brain can be rewired according to God's design One can be transformed into the image of Christ from one degree of glory to another Private sin kills spiritual life in the words of dr. Ted Roberts There is no greater prison than the one people find themselves in when they love Christ with all their hearts But are slowly choking to death as the noose of sexual addiction Strangles the spiritual life out of them and that was me But I've been set free So brothers, what shall we do first of all admit that we have a problem? Graciously do some asking around some surveys Determine the magnitude of the problem in your church and your community and secondly these zealous in Addressing the problem stop take care of this before you go any further Put the programs in place to offer spaces for healing start recovery groups first within your own church and then out to reach out to your community in Brief here are some of the tools That are a means of God's grace and fighting addictions and bringing healing the first tool is true repentance Not negative self-talk not self-condemnation But a godly sorrow that produces earnestness eagerness to clear yourselves indignation alarm longing concern and readiness to see justice done The second tool is effective accountability Not simply a weekly report of sin that was committed But a time-intensive Daily commitment to report thoughts feelings temptations and to pray for each other a willingness to develop and carefully track positive habits as well as spiritual disciplines The third tool is radical amputation first of all in your thinking Develop knee jerk reactions to lust cut it off Scripture memorization actually rewires corrupted brain Secondly in your time Limit the time you spend alone Relapse most often happens alone late at night thirdly access if you must Get rid of your smartphone get rid of your internet connection Install accountability software on all your devices alarmingly Studies showed that about 30% of total data transferred on the internet is pornography The fourth tool is to revisit the past Trauma or pain from the past most often becomes the driver behind the addiction Talk through that pain pray through it Identify the lies that it made you believe and then counteract those lies and scripture promises The fifth tool is thankfulness Covetousness and greed are at the heart of sexual immorality and the regular giving of thanks is a solution The sixth tool is a clear action plan identify what a relapse is What conditions are usually in place when it happens and what actions you will take to escape in conclusion? be positive and focus on health Talk openly and appropriately within your church communities about what healthy sexuality looks like Satan took the human sex drive, which is something that was very good and he distorted it into something destructive Addictions whatever they are Kidnap the pleasure center of our brains, which God gave us to make our life fulfilling and enjoyable Pleasure is good. There are healthy ways to deal with the pain in our lives Let's not put up with any of Satan's destructive lies There's hope the law of the spirit of life has set us free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin addictions and death Thank you, Tim lots to lots to ponder there and we'll take a Few minutes here and it's our questions that we like to like to direct it Tim up here I appreciate that brother Tim. That's appreciate your openness and honesty This is a topic that is extremely difficult For many congregations to confront honestly and openly Do you have any insight on how to? Begin that conversation in our congregations or any any anecdotes you have Yeah, sure. I think you could pretty easily Just gather the men together at some point and the ladies as well in a separate occasion and talk about it and There's probably somebody in your church or your community that could share their story When someone shares their story It's really powerful and the people sitting there that thought they were all alone in this realize that I'm not all alone and that there is actually hope because there's stories of people being set free So just getting together as a group of men and then also ladies It's not just a man's problem And talk about it and then yeah, hopefully there's plenty of tools. There's books That you can can go through If you search for there's plenty of tools there to address the problem Do you have any specific resources in mind that would be helpful? There's a book called finally free by Heath Lambert It's a very good start barely very based in the Bible and in God's grace and There's other resources that you have to kind of weed through things that Might be objectionable But there's a course called sexual integrity 101 from pure desire calm That gets into the problems in the brain and revisiting trauma Dresses some of those things that are often left out Tim I really really appreciate this side. It's part of my minister helping people and I need more tools. I Need more help. I have discovered it's not enough at home. We do that in the church men confess But I've discovered that's not enough just to make a confession and it's let it go Need to keep walking with him. I was just on these these resources. Thank you for asking that question Do these do these books also address the issue of group? Accountability and that type of thing, you know, we on the Baptist function a little different than Protestants do Well what I was going to suggest him I was going to ask you do you have your Material organized where you can send it That's what we need more tools the Church of Jesus Christ brother Tim needs tools we need things to work with know what Scares us. What do we do? But there are tools there are ways and I know there's young men that are free and victory. No, those still struggling So if you could give us some tools from an Anabaptist or through these other just one you're first when you mention Let's see we talk about a brotherhood accountability Open honesty or if not you right one, would you please? In the book finally free he gives a whole chapter to accountability and has some really really good insights one of the best is that accountability needs to be involved early rather than late and And Finally free by Heath Lambert and if you have it's it's worth taking the time read a variety of books Not not one any book will have the complete solution. You all the tools Jason Willis did a Video or a sermon on overcoming temptations It's on sound faith if anyone doesn't know about it get with somebody from Chambersburg He really he he says that he doesn't like mayonnaise I'll let the cat out of the bag So he's never going to be tempted by mayonnaise and you have to learn to segment your problem to mayonnaise And I might not be summing it up correctly But it was very very profound and even our young people in our congregation are still talking about He suffered with addictions Even now I'm 61 years old my life of pornography started when I was six years old I told you I'm a sex offender I'm on a list that you can go and see what I did and I still don't want to talk about my problem with sexual addiction I don't want to talk about the problem with self-abuse. I would rather hide that because I Want to suit up and show up? Thank you for bringing in and out group discussion brutal 101 I hate to use this term but Confrontational discussions on what you think if you think I'm doing something wrong come to me brother And if you come to me like I really think you got a problem with this if it's not true But if it's true, I'll try to defend it and by my defense of oh, I got this under control, you know, I'm lying There's a saying about alcoholics you can tell when they're lying because their lips are moving and their lips aren't moving so Confrontation Because we're unable to deal with this. I don't want to I would rather hide it. I'm out. I had a problem with it I still have a problem with it. My heart's not pure. I'm 61 years old. Oh, I Rationalization I need men to step into my life and say I love you enough. I'll put my foot in your tail Maybe I'll I'll add to that as well that there's so much shame around this issue and so it takes a lot of Grace to approach someone on this shame often becomes Feeds that the cycle of addiction so you do something you feel very ashamed you hate yourself a lot of milk so negative self-talk you Promise yourself that no one can ever know this and just drives you further on that cycle happens again You spiral downward so it takes a lot of grace to address this issue and make sure that we we don't we do address The issue, but that we don't shame people for it. May I just put in a little punch again? I know our church. Well, we'll know the church was up here, but I know our church leaders Many of them are not going to take the time to do all the research. They should do what you said They should Maybe they don't have access at home Our Spanish people don't have the books you have I still would put in a plea that someone has experience working with it and Some of the things you have I if you could put that into a simple little booklet We could translate it. We could use it I put together a little course that I on period as far as masturbation Just on my own and I even out in Spanish it doesn't help you any but I would really put in a plea that someone If someone needs to pay his time Maybe you don't have time, but it'd be worse someone investing some money and making a simple That all of our you know people could understand it and put this thing We need it And I shouldn't I'm not being critical, but a lot of people are not going to take the time to do all that Researching and especially in our Spanish world. So May I make that plea? someone Okay, thank you Tim. Thank you everybody. We are At about 8 o'clock and I've just gotten Executive permission that we can go about 10 more minutes or fit or 15 maximum and we're going to switch now to Questions that that you haven't seen but I have here and I have some in my phone And I think that we probably won't get get through All of all of them so There's there's been an abundance of the of the vaccine oriented questions and I'll start with a couple of those and then we have a few others as well this person says I agree that Vaccines made using aborted fetal tissues are unethical and I believe Christians should refuse them Should we not be equally against vaccines that have been known to cause infertile infertility and or miscarriages If we are really pro-life This would include the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine I don't know if you have a quick comment on that or if you yeah well the If Yeah, this is kind of a complex issue that the there is a study that came out recently That said that there was no relationship between COVID vaccine the mRNA and And miscarriages infertility. I I haven't seen any information about that and I think as far as the the miscarriages I think if we need if we go into something that is known to do that Yeah, I think that would be a problem and I think pregnant people would be wise to be cautious about these things because I don't think that they have been fully studied There was one study that addressed this one thing the authors concluded that there was no correlation however Some other news site said they took a look at the information and it's I'd have to put a PowerPoint thing up to really Say how they came to the conclusion but they came to an opposite conclusion about early pregnancies and the way the study was written was very Confusing and and I could see how they could come with that Conclusion that it would does cause miscarriages. So what I did was I wrote to the author of the study and Asked him, you know, can you clarify this these numbers are very ambiguous? That email was bounced to the CDC and they said that they they They understand what I'm saying and that there was I wasn't the only one that brought up that question And they said they would have a follow-up study within the next two months Which I thought You know, I'm I'm on the front line and I deal with patients every day and I have to deal deal with these questions Can I have a little more information? Can I have a little bit more openness? And that's part of the problem is that they're they're There isn't that openness and do I honestly believe that it causes infertility? No, I mean the nurses that are taking the vaccines I think if there was a one-on-one correlation for infertility, I think we would know very quickly The nurses that were trying to get pregnant that wouldn't they would they would come up very quickly with that That's anecdotal. That's not a study I think but that's that's the problem with having these vaccines approved in a year We don't have the longitudinal information but to say that these vaccines are without a doubt list linked to infertility and And miscarriages that's not an accurate statement. We don't we don't know preliminarily the studies say that there is not I'm waiting to see some more clarification. It's it's I think it would be worthwhile to to to wait for more information Okay, thank you may another one directed to you and then I'll jump to Patrick may we consider this is as it came to us may we consider the question of hoarding fast to voluntary use of vaccines and opposing the idea of required vaccines I'm not sure I understand the gist of the question if It's a matter of principle in rejecting the use of required vaccines voluntary use as opposed to required or or mandated use so Refrigerate that question No, I'm gonna Interpret it in my words, but I really think they're saying Informed consent and free choice but if it comes to the place of government mandated If the government mandates it that we take the shot You know, where do we listen to where do we listen to see what do we do when if and it's probably gonna be a I think that's the question. That's the question behind the question. Yeah, okay. Yeah And again, I think We have to separate is this and this is a conversation that needs to be happening on a congregational level If it's a religious issue If it's religiously based then I don't think we have an option to not do these things now Tim brought up an idea Well, don't we have this obligation to to You know prevent some of these diseases When there's only vaccine is a tainted vaccine, well, that's a false dichotomy If we can come up with COVID vaccines a number of COVID vaccines in one year We can come up with a number of ethical vaccines in one year and so if enough people are willing to again appear fools for Christ and People will notice they'll notice well playing communities not getting these vaccines What are we gonna do if we come to them and say I'm gonna I'm willing to take an ethical vaccine But I'm not gonna take an unethical vaccine Well, if there's enough pressure then that that will happen If we stand on principle now Yeah, I can't answer whether or not You want to take it if it's just if you don't you object to the idea of putting something foreign in your body But I'm not sure that answers the question Just have to have to be willing to sacrifice and be ostracized Thank you. I think we'll direct a question to you Patrick This one is a common theme. Is it wise to share cash with the homeless? What thoughts do you have regarding the common concern that it fosters? entitlement mentality What I didn't understand the question but Is it wise to share cash with the homeless? Will it will it foster the entitlement mentality I think is the question Yeah, I never carry cash for a reason because if you ask me I can truthfully say I don't have cash The one time I told somebody I had a credit card. They came to me and said well, I could take a credit card What do I? Think most times when people ask for something when it comes to cash They're expecting I Don't like people So I'm feeling manipulated and that's what I reject. I push back So anytime somebody's pushing me for an answer right now, you know, why don't you buy this big expensive car? It's only 59 99 and I resist salesmen and I resist manipulation of people trying to get money Now when someone when I tell somebody no, it doesn't mean I just like No, I don't want to talk to you I'll stand there and explain why I'm saying no and if I can help them in another way the book when helping hurts Offers us a solution that we can help teach them or reignite their own juices to create their funds And that's not a simple, you know here. Let me give you this right now kind of thing That's something that you have to work you build a relationship. Sorry build build relationships Yeah, giving money is a temporary fix But let's think about about long-term long-term solutions a question for you mark What should I tell my friend whose dad is alive yet uninvolved in her life is it her responsibility to go? ask another Respectable man to be a father figure for her She's in her 20s. I understand what do I tell my friend? It's a good question It's a good question. We can't force the father We can't change the father. We can pray for him. We can love him and she Can do some wonderful things as far as loving and caring for him But we can't force a change if the father doesn't Doesn't see his need and is not repented But the solution is there is a father. I Think a person like that should find love in the church And she should find because listen, it's true. It's real when we're repentant and Find Jesus we find a real father One of the most beautiful phrases is he loves me He loves me the approval I long for Can be found in God Even though the father now that comes around and so I would say if I'm understanding the question I would say give that person love and help her find the real father And then she can turn around and minister to her father You know, I do not think that she should go Complain I'm thinking of Spanish word here. Frank Lamar. They'll help me Play go back and complain and try to demand something. I Don't I don't think that's gonna help anything She's not gonna get her father that way, but I think she could find the reheat. Hey I'm not gonna ask but I could rest for a raising of hands with people who found their needs met Emotionally and a blessing in the people of God with the real father That's real And then keep praying for the real for the other father, I'm not sure if I mentioned the question Thank you. Thank you for your insight We'll keep moving here. I'm gonna ask the question to Tim how can we combat the tendency to Get it over with quickly when helping a person to recover I find that the shame factor Makes us want to Shortcut the process of involvement before a person is truly equipped to go it alone Maybe there's not a question there, but do you have a comment about that? Yeah, you you can't Find a quick solution to it. So just know that You have to be if you want to help somebody else get to be willing to commit a lot of times And stick with that person for the long haul Stick with that person for the long haul. Thank you. Thank you, Tim. I'm My I have a lot of questions here that I'm not sure how to sift through So I think what I think what we're gonna do is I'm just gonna say thank you to Everyone that has that is pitched in and send in questions. Thank you to the panelists We're gonna we're gonna wrap this time up and transition here. So if the moderator could could get ready to clone up I hope that that Just in in Closing I think of the the man that went down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell among thieves So when you meet these people That we've been talking about specific areas when you meet these people that have fell among thieves Will you be the one that will go and pour in the oil and pour in the wine? Will you be the one that'll put this person on your donkey? Will you be the one that helps this person and takes him to an inn and And helps them showing them Christ's love Christ's heart Christ's Compassion we could just inspire a little bit of a little bit more compassion and a little bit more action on your behalf our Mission is complete. God bless You can have one second Can you hear me? Hey by me saying no it sounds like I'm cold and impersonal person for nine years We've had a soup kitchen in Chambersburg that we feed people And we're very active in the street. It's just I even go and feed junkies in Philadelphia But when it comes to cash, I'm very hesitant Thank you can be dismissed hand it over to the moderator. Thank you brothers Thank you very much. That was very very rich much food for thought Some prospect or Future blessing to our people. I think could welcome out of this panel discussion I'm I'm very thankful for that which we have been privileged to Participate in listen in and actually participate in tonight