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Thank you for being here and the floor is all yours Hey, so I don't think a lot of moon landing Disbeliever moon landing skeptics think that the entire thing is fake and NASA just It's just a money sink. No, I think they actually do develop technology and stuff I do think astronauts left Earth. They went in low Earth orbit No, let me share my screen real quick The unlike that claim of landing on the moon and getting back. We know that other countries have landed on the moon We know that NASA can still put things on the moon not not humans unmanned crafts Now obviously the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim and This is probably the most extraordinary claim that anyone's ever made seen men on the moon. Who does that? No one So except for NASA like 50 years ago But now NASA is trying to go back. In fact, I've been trying to go back since about 2004 or that's when the deadline was set So in 2004 Bush said we're going back in 2020. Well Then Okay, I move this Yeah, so then Obama scrapped it Okay, fine. I guess it was too expensive or wait, was it too expensive because if you adjust for inflation It really hasn't changed that much This is in 2020 dollars I mean you can dig into the data source if you really want it seems legit to me But yeah, it's almost the same as it was in 1963 And on top of that they already had all the technology like there was no Research necessary at this point. It was it's it's only development I mean if their goal is just to get back to the moon So, yeah, Trump must have realized that and then he's like we have to go back if I make America great again, right? But then oh Yeah, and then this is NASA on the NASA website. This isn't even like an old link like this is from I got this today and They still say we are going to Land astronauts in the lunar South Pole by 2024. That's that's what NASA is saying now And on top of that, it's gonna be a woman and a black person a black male to be specific Great. I'm all for for doing that Okay, wait, what's this? In international astronaut on the moon by end of 2020 is well, that's not next year. Why are they why are they saying that? Okay, it's an international astronaut Oh, no, no, okay, so this is the new plan. They pushed it back again and Now they're saying they're gonna send three or four astronauts Around late 2024 or 2025 so they keep on you know pushing the buck first is 2020 Then it's 2024 then it's 2025 and a little pride is be whenever whenever they figured out They'll get there when they get there So what would I need to be convinced? Well, I mean if they could if they could actually accomplish this, then yeah, that'd be that'd be great They'd have to do that and then also for me to believe that they did it 50 years ago they'd have to get a picture of You know some of the stuff they they left there like the famous flag or the lunar rovers Now what will not be sufficient evidence for me is the retro reflector claim um a Lot of moon landing believers They always say oh the retro reflectors. That's like incontrovertible proof, but it's not really That we put met on the moon. It's just proof that we put stuff on the moon unmanned crafts Because yeah NASA. Yeah, sure. They got some retro reflectors out there, but so this over you again, and I guess more recently so did India people always say oh, they're they're great pictures great pictures. You have the best pictures and When you when you like search this like third-party evidence, they do some really deceptive stuff. Oh Shit Okay, well, I'll just go at the end then so probably the most suspicious thing is They've been told just like the JFK files. They've been told to declassify them You notice this on a way back machine and internet archive link. It's because they still haven't They deleted the site because people kept on like linking to it too much. Anyway, it says there are millions left They're still out of the 8 million 5 million have been Declassified so another way they could prove their claim is they could declassify all of them And yeah, that's that's it. All right, well in the screen share there. You don't mind Good income we will Yes, thank you so much for your introductory statement there Austin We're gonna move over to a dr. Raza. You have six minutes on the floor and it's all yours All right, thanks for having me and let me say first. Actually, I'm not really here to debate I'm mostly here just to tell my story and I am an insider a whistleblower here and I for many years I was a moon landing skeptic I was skeptical whether they landed or not, but once I actually gained inside information Then I'm no longer skeptic. I know for a fact it was fake and I'm actually working with people who are designing the new type of radiation shielding needed now in order to really send Men to the moon. So I think I would like to begin with What it is that I'm revealing here and then later talk about who I am and how I came to know this Okay, so what I'm revealing here is that NASA has an agreement with the Chinese Space Agency Where the Chinese Space Agency agreed not to blow the whistle on the Apollo missions in exchange for technological support NASA is giving China technological support and I'm actually working with them. This is how I came to know it Now the second part of the thing that I'm revealing here is that NASA actually has plans To admit they fake this thing now This the plan is the original plan was we will admit Apollo never happened after Artemis 3 Successfully lands men on the moon this time then we'll admit that was the first time Now that that date is being pushed back to 2006 For me it doesn't matter. So so Now they might have to admit it early because what's happening as you know in 2024 they're hoping to launch the Artemis 2 and I can guarantee you those astronauts if they do actually send those astronauts around the moon in 2024 they will be coming back with cancer Okay, so NASA might actually have to admit early Okay, we okay our Artemis 2 didn't go so well the Castronauts came back with cancer and we lied about the Apollo missions Because there is no way to protect human beings from their deadly radiation of space. That's my job I actually work in the designing of space radiation materials Okay, so that is basically what I'm revealing Who am I I'm just you know, I'm an American I Went to university. I was an astrophysics major in Portland State University and I was actually offered a job at NASA way back in 1999, but I turned them down and I left the country and Recently I I'm working as the quantum physicists now in China and I have Been writing studying the Artemis mission and the materials They're building the Artemis ships out of what are their plans for protecting the astronauts for radiation for real and I've been translating those articles into Chinese So I know a lot about space radiation materials and what are our plans to actually send astronauts to the moon for real this time There all right. Well, thank you so much there dr. Raza for your introductory statement we're gonna move it over to the other side and Maybe we should have established this who would like to go first I Can go first if you want all right mark the floor is yours All right, give me one circle just share my screen. Thank you. Just tell me when I'm off and running We are after the reasons. There you go Okay, I just want to say thank you to modern-day debate moderator Ryan Teach up my partner my opponents and of course you for for watching. So we're doing is the moon landing a hoax I think the real question isn't was the moon landing a hoax as basically The main thing to understand is there wasn't one moon landing There was multiple moon landings and we didn't come there from nowhere It wasn't just like we set out and then landed on the moon before the Apollo missions They're the pioneer missions are originally designed to orbit the moon There was also the range of missions which were designed to impact the moon but not lift off or be recovered These missions were followed by the surveyor missions that want controlled landings on the moon But didn't lift back off. In fact, the Apollo 12 proof is to the landing site For surveyor 3 and removed parts to return to earth The first Apollo missions did not actually land on the moon But rather tested our capacity for doing so for instance Apollo 8 Orbited the moon 10 times and returned while Apollo 10 descended to their lander within 14 kilometers or 9 miles to the surface without actually landing Apollo 1 was a disaster that never left the landing pad a fire broke out and killed all occupants They were Gus Grissom, Howard, H. White and Roger B. Chaffee This was a complete disaster from NASA and my Senate hearing and inquiries as to how it happened The only reason the program still went ahead was bought from the president Lyndon B. Johnson And there was almost also dramatic problems with Apollo 13 mission Who's cruelly died when an oxygen tank exploded on the side of their craft? These mistakes and failures are a reality of space exploration However, they're terribly bad for NASA which tries to avoid these incidents at all costs They're just two of the disasters associated with the Apollo missions And I guess my question would be why fake disasters why why sort of make make these things happen just to you know And and how did they they fake the deaths of three three men who are very public figures? Um This sort of goes out to all of the the people who are religious who sort of claim a religious reason basically For believing the the earth is flatter. We didn't reach the moon The Apollo 9 crew Bill Anders, Jim Lovell and Frank Borm and red Genesis won on December 24th 1968 No matter how deeply your religious conviction It cannot stand up against the facts and the reality of the situation when you actually travel there Uh, I'll just skip that retro reflectors. This was mentioned but as of this year There's actually five retro reflectors on the moon. The ranger laser ranging experiments have been done I can add a precise coordinates shooting lasers onto the box reflectors are ingenious They'll always reflect the light back to the origin no matter what angle it comes in Interestingly, the laser reflection is becoming less strong as dust is beginning to cover the reflector They still work well, but independent organizations have noticed the change Um Many countries have sent automated rovers to the moon russia first off in the 70s. There's been modern rovers u2 Pregnant from india They're way more practical than the man missions, but we we certainly can reach the moon. That's not under debate apparently Um, more countries than you think have impacted or reached the moon successfully None of them have reported any kind of radiation or anything that would stop them from reaching the moon There's there's nothing that would would show that that we cannot cannot do have the capacity to reach here Um, the future of moon landing mexico will be doing uh, Microbots multiple private corporations are are reaching the moon. Um, we basically have You know everything from SpaceX to Dogecoin for some reason reaching the moon And uh, man missions are planning to go back to the moon, but apparently that's not under debate So, um, yeah Thank you I'll call it there All right, excellent. We'll stop the screen share there and we will hand the floor over to t jump Thank you so much for your introductory statement. Uh, they're mark and the floor is all yours t jump Yeah, so have the retro reflectors on how to with they prove that we were there by man You can tell you can look at the objects and what they're made of they have no um Digitally moving parts. There's no way to set them up from a radio signal Which is what you would need from a rover based Platform you needed to be able to place it and then manipulate it to make it Arrange in the correct orientation. There is none of that. It's mechanical means you had to move by hand So that proves it was done by man All of the predictions made by nasa were confirmed. We have all the pieces there The russians can take pictures of them Everyone can verify these these do reflect light in the same direction that it was shot at it Which is not a naturally occurring phenomenon. It was proves it was man made There is no controversy here and everything The guy said about china is wrong there. I mean nasa supplies information to most countries who are in the space program They don't have a secret Um cabal trying to hide the organization. There is no plan to reveal that that doesn't exist I know many nasa people who work at nasa my cousin actually works with lockheed who works with nasa Absolutely nothing he said was real. It's completely fake. I think he may be delusional Um Other than that, there's that's all we really need. Yeah, there are boxes up there, which are mechanically moving they are not digitally moving and Definitely must have been done by a human hand to have gotten it to be there because none of the parts can move automatically All right, short and sweet. We're going to kick it into an open discussion. Uh, just a little quick housekeeping everybody I did put the modern day debate uh gmail in the chat So if you want to participate in these debates, uh, you can contact us there Um, excuse me. Uh, we're going to put it into our open discussion. So we hope everybody feels welcome at modern day debate Uh, we'll put it over to you. Dr. Uh, rassa To kick us out. Oh, thank you I I I wanted to reply to one of the Things he just mentioned Do you mind if I do a share screen? Just real quick Uh I he he mentioned then that, um, nobody had None no country has, um Done any radiation measurements which say that it's not safe up there. Okay. Um, here we go This is the chinese Radiation measurement dose on the lunar surface Okay Now and and i'm part of the team who helped design this, um, made radiation sensing equipment So, um, I just want to say that his statement that nobody has Has proven, uh, that the radiation doses are, um Now coming back to his second the other guy. He said that, um that the the Other countries. Okay. He he questioned my He questioned my complete your sentence there the radiation doses are washed Like I never said there wasn't any radiation and i'm saying that no country has ever come out saying that it's not possible Right, right. That's my point radiation Right, so that's my point here. China has a deal with nasa not to blow the whistle on the Apollo missions So if china were just to come out and say, oh the radiation is too dangerous for human beings That would be blowing the whistle on the Apollo missions So we have agreed to not do that. Hold up. Hold up. So you brought up a thing. You said the chinese measure the radiation What is it? Give us the number I just showed you the article now. I i'm not you know the number. I don't want to see an article I don't care about an article. I want to publish paper. Anyway, it doesn't it doesn't now I want to know it doesn't matter because if your article gives a number that isn't a lethal radiation Then your own article debunks everything you just said So the article the articles there you have to provide an article and say this article says the radiation level is This much and then we can say is this much lethal or not lethal just saying here is an article A random article with pictures of space stuff. Oh my god. It agrees with me I can show you an article of just random pictures and say i'm right that tells us Okay, that's why you actually show what in the article contradicts what we are saying Okay, I like I said, I I'm not here to debate that thing. I just want to address one point I'm sorry. Dr. Rassett. You you arrived to a debate saying well, I'm not here to debate It's like going to a soccer game and saying well, I'm not here to play soccer. You're literally That's what you came here to do I came here to tell my story if you if you if you just want to throw it out. That's no problem to me See the problem there is you're basically saying hey, well, I've got an anecdote. I've got this thing that I'm saying Okay, great But that's not some evidence. That's not any kind of I'm not trying to provide any evidence All right. So with all that being said, let's uh, let's kick it over to Austin I haven't heard from you in a little bit. Um Yeah, there are some things in the intro because your partner apparently isn't here to debate. So Let's uh, let let's try to bring it into what we were discussing in our intros there. So yeah, so mark, uh You asked why there were they fake disasters? No, the disasters weren't fake They were still trying to get people into orbit And they were they were still trying to develop space uh flight technology And yeah, there's going to be some mistakes. They just okay They just never actually landed humans on the moon and got them back and then as for uh, teach them as a retro reflectors thing And what's your explanation for the soviet and indian retro reflectors? They just are built better Because they don't they did not need human hands newer Yeah, like if there's one that we literally brought there We don't need to have them automated and there's one we didn't uh, yeah, the indian one's newer, but I think the The russian one isn't the russian one is like a year later Yeah, but it's how that retro reflector was built like so it actually had a a a foot on it Which was manually operated like the retro reflector. You can see there's no actual Electronic parts to move that that adjustment leg. Um, I can't remember what it was called. It was called a Adjustment lever or something like that. And basically you had to manually work it to get it to point in the right direction So Yes, we can actually see it we can there's actually pictures of it Um, but the argument wasn't they couldn't do it. They could they had the capability of doing this They just didn't because they were brought with with the astronauts. They didn't need to waste of money Waste of extra tools. So they just made them physically manual. So yes, they could have made it automatic They didn't though we have pictures. We do have the blueprints. They do exist So i'm curious and what's your like explanation for why they keep so much stuff classified I just don't get the point of that government does lots of stupid stuff That's irrelevant. Why is the fact that they do stupid stuff in somehow invalidate the literal physical things that are physically there that we can Physically they would answer a lot of questions. Like I'd have a lot fewer questions if You know everything was declassified instead of just some of it That's called an argument from ignorance saying well, we don't know therefore. It's a conspiracy It's not just we don't know it's they are withholding information deliberately That's that's what we don't know. Some of the information is is dangerous Like I would not I would not like nas to release all sort of Rocketry information that they've got because that yes, they use it for for sort of space travel But it also can be very dangerous in the wrong hand But they're letting Elon Musk make rockets I don't think that's true So there's a list if you just google list of random things the government has classified They have the dumbest things classified you can possibly think of the classification system isn't some kind of Super system to protect us from information. It's a lot of just dumb stuff The class originally Was it doesn't protect us information, right? No, that is no, but like maybe that's not how it's used This is not a relevant argument the fact that nasa and the government have dumb stuff classified that doesn't need to be classified Doesn't make a difference. It does not invalidate the literal physical objects that we can physically interact with on the moon Well, we can't Look at pictures of it Interact with it. You can send a laser Reflect it off it. That's a physical interaction physics. Yeah, just like but stop stop talking stop talking stop interrupting me What I literally just said it doesn't matter what nasa has classified or doesn't have classified Whether or not they have lots of things classified isn't evidence of a conspiracy It's not by itself. Sure not by itself not by anything. It's just the government classified stuff end of story No, it's nothing of the story that literally there's a lot more to this story than just that It's also that is irrelevant All right, did you have anything that I didn't do it? Yeah, I wanted to address one other point because he said something about China doesn't have a secret deal with nasa Okay, it's not only china every country has this same deal with nasa nasa is saying if you just wait until 2025 2026 Then we will admit we fake the Apollo missions And then you can stop lying for us and every country has that deal with nasa india Europe japan even elan musk is lying for nasa now saying the Apollo missions were real because he knows that they're going to admit it. So that's why I don't care I'm not here to debate I don't care whether you believe my story or not because my story will come true as soon as nasa does admit it So china has a deal with me It pays me a billion zillion dollars a year to hide the fact that china is lying about literally everything Like china has has made a deal with me that I will just hide all of the falsehoods that chinese government has made up And the winnie the pooh choosing ping has just made up. And so there that thing that they told you well They actually told me they were lying about that so debunked Yeah, anyway, I don't care whether you believe me or not because you'll see I'm right in the end Okay, we'll see you're right that that's fine. Like that's you know, that's sort of just anecdotal evidence that that sort of You're going against the weight of everything else. So you're just saying hey, I've got some sort of insider information. I'm special You've got absolutely no evidence to back up what you're saying is true Like t-jump said you could you could say that the chinese government is is paying me a Squillion dollars to hide the fact that you're a spy You know, like it doesn't mean anything when you come with this kind of kind of statement and you know, you'd say hey We'll wait for them to reveal the truth. That's fine. You know great We'll wait for them to reveal the truth, but it doesn't it certainly doesn't lend any credibility to you right now I'm not I'm not like I said, I'm not trying to debate. I don't need credibility. I don't need evidence I don't need you to believe me. I don't need you. That's the weird thing So somebody that doesn't want to debate doesn't sign up for a debate. So Um, you you're basically saying hey, I don't want a debate But I'm gonna come into a debate and debate it anyway. And so I'm wondering why you hear then Okay, so now I have created a youtube channel And there's a video called the 12 smoking guns and these are irrefutable Evidences which can be found from the nasa web pages which proves that it was a hoax Now if you want to debate those 12 points, whether it proves that's a hoax or not You're welcome to try to debunk my evidence is that these are a hoax Well, that's the kind of thing we'd expect you to come to To the debate with if you've got indisputable evidences that it was a hoax You're saying hey, but I'm not gonna debate them I'm just going to that point. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish You're not saying, oh, well, I'm not gonna bring my indisputable evidences to the debate I'm going to leave them on a website somewhere where we can't talk about them or know what they are Right This is one of the weirdest debates I've ever been in where somebody's saying hey I've got indisputable evidence and I wanted to you know go into a debate But I don't want to debate them and I don't want to bring up the interview where I'm gonna Mention my website. It's so strange Right, like I said I can yes, I would be happy to I have a I have a Word document with the links to all the nasa If you want to look at the evidence, I don't I just want you to use your words and tell me Okay, so let's start with that then Um, let me let me ask you one question now Since you obviously know a lot about the Apollo missions if you don't mind questions Just tell us what the first indisputable evidence is Okay, I'm about to do that so Okay, as you know, how did they use the bathrooms on the Apollo mission? They pulled their pants down and they peed In the command module, right? Sure Right because the lamb did not have a bathroom Okay Okay, now The astronauts had to relieve themselves when they were on the surface of the moon So what did they do? How was the space suit designed? To be able to pee into it Right, so they had a urine tank and they also had a A kind of a diapers they wore in case number two came, right? Sure Now some of the astronauts also took a medicine to help suppress the urge to defecate Okay, you've heard about that story Nope, I didn't really care Okay, so the astronaut now why this why did the astronauts Have to try to stop the urge to defecate on the lunar surface was because they could not take off their gloves Am I correct I have no idea what you're talking about right now Okay, so in the command module That there was three people, right? What is what is the indisputable proof that it was fake? Which part of this story rambling story is the indisputable proof that's fake? I'll try to make this quick in the command module There was three guys The guy who remained in the command module helped the last two guys put their gloves on They got in the lunar module. They went down to the surface They came back to the command module and then they could take off their gloves and use the toilet again Am I right they could use the toilet with the gloves on they can poop in the suits Okay, but in the suits, but not out. That's not comfortable. So my point is this My point is this comfortable So that they basically in the suit are basically wearing a nappy essentially, right, right, right So my point is this so they went through all these efforts Because the third person who remained in the command module Had to have his gloves off in order to help the other two guys into their gloves Now the question is this After they all came back to the command module They opened the door and went outside to retrieve the film canister to bring it back in the command module Who helped the third guy into his gloves? The other two Yeah, so you you can still use well you have the gloves on you could help another guy put his gloves on No, you can't because that's how they had to do it in the lunar module They couldn't take their gloves off. It was only two you you can still do it when someone else has their gloves on It's just something takes more time and is less efficient. Uh, right. Okay. I believe you good job. Okay. Now next Let's go another um Well, so I just I just debunked your irrefutable proof. I think you in your mind you can debunk whatever you want, you know, but um You just want the word. So you think you think it's impossible to help put a glove on and turn it Um, there's no there's no way the third There's the guys with two gloves on could not help the third person into his gloves Now let's go to the second before you whip into your next point there, uh, doctor I do want to pass it back over to austin. Uh, I feel like we've we've expounded on this one Let's kick it over to austin and we'll uh, then we'll kick it back to you. Okay So austin, do you have any thoughts over there? I haven't heard from you in a little bit. Yeah Uh, so Are you are you the type of uh Non-skeptics who think that it'd be impossible to keep a secret Is that one of your claims? Um, I I don't know why you say non skeptics for a start Excuse me austin austin austin austin. Um, you know, I am skeptical of things including sort of conspiracy theories and stuff like that Um, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence for this So skeptic is somebody who believes something on very little on no evidence and there's an overwhelming amount of evidence So, um, I kind of Resent that you sort of use non-skeptic because I'm not a radical skeptic All right, well, let's let's give austin a few seconds here just to lay out his ideas and uh, Like I said, I'll definitely give you guys a chance to respond but let's uh, give austin a chance here So what I was uh going to say is like this guy Uh, can I show my screen again? Yeah, that's all right. We're not over doing it tonight Oh, we're just having a little second there before we get the screen share up Good chance for you guys to hit that like and subscribe button Are you gonna do the ruthless plugs? All right, go ahead there, buddy So I've ever heard of this this guy just study the viability of conspiratorial conspiratorial beliefs So basically what he says is To keep a secret for a hundred years You need to have fewer than 125 people Do you think it's possible to uh create the moon landing footage and to create like for the astronauts and the people who Fabricated whatever data was necessary to convince the people back at mission control That there was an actual moon landing. Do you think that number could be fewer than 125? How many people do you think it would take I do not understand the point of any of these questions? I don't know Well, I doubt that it would be possible to fool To to keep it under 125 if you're including all of the engineers working on it. I'm not see that's the thing. I'm not What is the point of the question? So they built all of this stuff to not use it is what you're saying. No. No, see that's that's a straw man It's not okay. Well, my building technology I can't be straw manning you when I'm austin austin I can't be straw manning you when I'm asking a question. I'm asking you did they build all of this to not use it No Okay, so they they built all of it to as a basically as a cover For uh ballistic missiles like intercontinental ballistic missiles. They use a lot of the same technology A lot of the same a lot of the technology that NASA developed, you know, we still use today like satellite technology Like that's that's useful and they needed to have this uh a space race narrative to convince the strongly anti-war public in america to dump all our tax money into building rockets I'm sorry We're talking about the the 50s and 60s and 70s the strongly anti-war public isn't yeah late 1960s and early 1970s that was that was like the vietnam protest era Yeah, um, not not when they were designing it though. I I don't I don't understand the point of your your your whole thing here it's kind of just well, um They they they have a number of spin-offs from nasa you're saying that they used it all for war and that none of it was actually for NASA it's very hard to get an engineer to design something if you're lying to them about what they're designing Not really because the goal was just to get a rock into space to get something in Low earth orbit and once they had that surprise the prize the space program in in soviet russia and in america They just stopped funding it as much they cut back a lot as soon as they had the ability to do that because you know This is during the cold war. They didn't care about science during the cold war. They didn't care about exploration All right, let's get you about chance. So As mark was saying if you tell an engineer to design something they're going to design it with that minimum capabilities So the lunar Stuff was designed to go all the way to the moon All the way and back not just to low earth orbit It's not like you can just send anything to low earth orbit and it'll automatically make it all the way to the moon and back There's a lot of specific things you have to design in order to make it fully capable of getting to the moon and back So if they didn't know that they were going to the moon They just only knew that they're going to low earth orbit. It would have looked very different Like why did they put seats in if there was supposed to be an unmanned thing to lower And I'll just add something to that to back up t-jump like they designed like a lunar rover Right a vehicle with wheels to go around on the moon specifically that functionality What war functionality did the lunar rover have? So you're assuming that the sky castle they're going to go into the sky castle Definitely Let's try to wrap up this one. We'll hand it back over to dr. Rasa because I think he's got his next point lined up So, uh, yeah a couple more minutes there austin and then we'll there wasn't like a hundred percent of the technology developed Uh-oh, it's her war Just most of it and yeah, most of it is used for not the stuff that was Uh, you know, like the retro reflectors don't really have that much war viability. I think No, it's just partial like it wasn't a hundred percent one way or the other I don't know. I mean most of it in the gray area Most of it like, you know, you've got the satin five rocket which gets you into orbit Okay, that could have some but but most of it is stuff like the command capsule no no war application The the lander not no war application the the um, the the other section I can't remember what it's called the the auxiliary section No real war like all of the spacesuit But if you look at all of the r&d time and resources that were Set aside for that. It's far less than just getting off the planet What does that sentence mean? I that we're doing that for the lunar stuff like they used there was less time and resources spent developing that and research And that they already they already did that that that's something that they were going to do Looks like whether or not we made it to the moon They can still design to get us off the planet and people would have accepted that Like there is no reason why you say okay. Well, we've got a space mission. We're getting people into space We want to launch these satellites Sputnik comes along. Um, they design their own Um satellite kind of thing. Oh, we've got to get people into orbit that became a priority I will now we've got to tell people That we're going to go to the moon so we can convince them to agree to the stuff that we're already doing Yeah, there were manufacturing consent. You never heard that term before You know what that means? Yeah, I believe nom chomsky came up with that that term. Yes I have heard of that before but you have no evidence to show that it was manufacturing consent And they already had the consent of the people for space exploration You're adding one step further of getting to the moon for consent. They don't need All right, so it wasn't yeah, okay. I'll give you a chance there. We'll we'll like uh, yeah Let's do one minute and then we'll hand it back over to dr. Rasa So again, you're thinking like in this black or white way It wasn't only for that it it served multiple purposes obviously also Because uh, the Soviets have beat us in the space race every step of the way up until that point It was a really good pr to say Oh, yeah, we're gonna land on the moon. Yeah, they'll they'll beat and I'll show those those damn commies So, yeah, that was certainly part of it Sure, and that that's a valid argument that they wanted to win the space race. Sure It's just do you have any evidence that that is what happened instead of them actually Reaching the moon as what appears to be the case So I just want to make sure we're on the same page. They had a lot of motivation to do that Well, yeah, I mean there's motivation for win a space race. Sure It's just your your argument that they think that motivation to lie about let me finish austin You're interrupting a lot. Let me finish. Um, then you're basically saying well their motivation was to be able to Research these weapons of war under the guise of a space program I'm saying that isn't motivation because they already had a space program whether or not they got to the moon is what I'm saying Now whether they want to win the space race by appearing. Yes going to the moon. Yeah, okay That may be motivation, but I you know it you could say that hey um They they had motivation for just about anything to to do anything on that sort of claim Just because they have motivation to do something doesn't mean they actually did it All right, we're going to put a bow on that one back over to you, uh, dr Rossa, you had another point lined up there earlier and uh, I wanted to give austin a chance to speak So I think we've had a a good flesh out there. So uh back over to you All right. Thank you. Um I and again, I really appreciate this because I like listening to their answers You know, it really helps me to learn a lot about the people the people who still believe now the second question I have is There is a story from apollo 12 Okay, where I'm sorry my mistake apollo 13. Okay apollo 13 The big accident the near-death experience in all the drama. Okay. Now my question is this On the way back to earth They had to shut down the power systems in order to save energy because the Because the what the fuel cell broke down. So now question is this After they shut down And save energy it said the astronauts claim we started getting really cold in the ship Okay, what ship is that? No, I'm wrong. If you are in a spaceship your ship is getting hot It's not getting cold Okay, what's the reply? They're in the command module. Space is cold They're they're in the command module by the right. So how is the command module getting cold when it should be getting hot Because it's connected to space And here's space There's no radiation in space Only under direct sunlight And they're not in direct sunlight No, they they aren't They're they're they're coming back from the moon. They're in direct sunlight They're direct sunlight Yes, how could they not be in direct sunlight hiding in their shadow? No The ship would be getting hot. They lie. They may it's it's a it is a script error They they wrote the wrong script the astronauts should said we've been getting hot not getting cold No, that's stupid because then their space suits would like melt if that was true We have satellites and other acts and other things in space If it was the case that just being exposed to direct sunlight meant it was necessarily going to get hotter Of course, they're getting hotter. No, that's stupid. That's why the iss has stopped talking stop talking so Yes, son exposed the sun does can increase temperature over a long period of time Oh, yeah, like on the way to the moon, right stop talking just one second from zero Well, this we're gonna try to let even object in space for a long time And it's exposed the sun the temperature could rise if you have a heated box That has heated to be comfortable for humans and you let it sit in space It'll cool off even though the sun can generate heat It won't generate as much heat as the heater in the thing So so it'll get colder even if the sun increases the temperature the temperature will still be going down because the heater's off Not magic. But wait, you turn off the heater the temperature No, your heat there wasn't even the iss has a cooling system, right? what The iss has a cooling system probably What does that have to do with anything I said? Because the iss has a cooling system because any object exposed to the sunlight in space is going to heat up From zero. Yes. So if there's a something object that has no heat And it's left in the sunlight. It'll heat up. Yes, right That's my point and if you have a heater and it gets hotter And you turn the heater off it gets colder Why would you have a heater if your problem is heating in the first place you have an air conditioning you're cooling the ship I Don't understand what you don't understand about just basic temperature. I don't understand how you don't understand that space is cold I don't But the ship gets hot from the sun But however, it will radiate that heat it will get cold And if you're not in direct sunlight, which you've already admitted They're not in direct that the humans themselves are not in direct sunlight It will get in space. Right. You're not you're hiding in a ship and you're All right The ISS has heaters and ISS has a cooling system and heaters and heaters And it has a cooling system because and also on the power They heat things up there too makes it warmer. They have a cooling system It's a kind of an air conditioner to remove the heat Those aren't mutually exclusive bonehead. You can have a cooling system and the heater Oh The entire systems are at sort of environmental controls. Okay, it's not like well because they're in Sunline and spaces will hate it. It is it is just a heater or just a cooling system. It's it's a whole range of things Okay, it can be whatever I want it to be. Okay. Thanks for the answer It can be basic technology that everyone has an every house Oh my god magic. No, no everybody has an air conditioner China space condition china your air conditioner hate I I don't understand Anyway, anyway, I think I'm debating the wrong people You guys don't know enough about the Apollo missions to you know, or space in general to know how to answer these questions I we just answered them fully and I think you're just no you don't have the Ship would be hot and they lied. No, I just I just explained why that's wrong I just explained to you why that's wrong. Let me do it again So there's an object in space if it's in direct sunlight, it'll raise to a certain temperature They were above that temperature And then so if it's above the temperature that it would raise to in the sun and you turn the heat off It'll go down To the temperature that the sun turn off the heater. The temperature goes down Yes, you turn off the sun. The sun is the heater. Oh my god. How are you so? How are you this dumb? So the sun? How are you this? What turn off the heater? Stop talking stop talking. All right. All right. Just one second The sun will raise things to set 15 degrees Celsius. The heater raises things to 85 degrees Celsius So if you turn off the heater, it'll go down to 15 degrees Celsius because that's how hot We're on the Apollo missions. Did they have a heater? Yeah, so so it was three degrees that it went to okay now three degrees is not the temperature of space You do understand that right? Yeah, you do understand that so if it gets raised to three degrees And they turn off the heater which keeps it at 21 degrees Celsius It will lower to three degrees Which is the heat that is provided by the sun that radiates from the outside of the craft Into space and it heats the the the Capsule or the command module that they are in now if You turn off the heater and it goes to three degrees that is cold for a human But it's hot compared to space Yeah, I'm sorry, but the Apollo missions didn't have heaters They had to rotate the ship to keep it cool The problem was the ship was getting too hot not too cold No, you're an idiot the devices were the heaters the devices when they're on generate heat you moron The computers created a little heat, but they had to rotate the ship in order to to dissipate the sunlight No No Yes, because you're an idiot the combined heat of both things Next question. Awesome. Go ahead. These guys can debate your dip on it. Let's yeah, let's put it right either Austin and We'll try to bring it back into another topic Kind of put it back over to mark and p-jump. Why haven't we been back? What's your theory for this? Because it's a waste of money. That's no reason Wait, if it's a waste of money, why are they doing it right now? Let me give an answer before you start jumping in so Okay, we'll take dump to have anything more to add To the question of why it's a waste of money Yeah Um, not really. I mean the only reason to do is for clout political clout essentially and so there's not really Any reason to go back to the moon most astronauts mean like it's just a big rock. We've been there. We've gotten the stuff There's nothing more we can really learn by going back at the moon. There's not really a purpose to it So it's just a giant waste of money Yeah, so um, I'll finish my answer then. Um, basically there's it's way more sensible If you just want information off the moon to send Rovers and we have done an Australia sending a rover which for some reason they've called a rover because apparently Australians can't take anything Seriously, um, but basically we we had no reason apart from getting samples and things like that men don't need to do that We can do that with with automated things But now as you showed in your pictures from when you brought your your sort of screen shares up They're looking at doing these automated capsules which are rovers with legs and wheels that have some sort of you know Pressurized system inside them So we're looking at making a moon base and you showed the base on one of your your screen shares that you did So now we're looking at hey Do we have the capability of making a base on the moon for? You know sort of transit to other planets i.e. Mars for instance And so we're looking at going back because before we did not have the capability of doing Doing that right it just was too expensive. We couldn't do it Now we're looking at whether you know and and trying to get implemented an actual base there So that's why we're going back now and what didn't before because if we weren't doing anything new What's the point? Rovers can do exactly the same thing And we don't have to bring them back. We don't have to account for all of their you know Human needs and and now that we're doing a base though rovers Excuse me rovers can't do that That's impossible Yeah, yeah, I agree with that So why weren't they there was still the same incentive still existed like in the 80s in the 90s to build a moon base Why why do you have we only started like the 2000s? Well for a start a moon base to where it's only since the 2000s that we've actually put rovers on Mars Like all of this is being done in sort of these small incremental steps It's like when I in my presentation when I said hey, we didn't just shoot astronauts off to the moon First we we did orbit then we did whether we can get to the moon by sending Unmanned craft just to impact the moon to make sure we could hit the thing Then we did you know these manned missions After the the impact is to just orbit see if we can orbit Then we we sent one out to see if we could use a lander all of this is incremental So when you're going along trying to make these steps, you don't just go okay Well, we've reached the moon We're just going to now establish a base or do one then it shifted to Mars. Can we send unmanned craft to Mars next thing we're looking at is how do we get people to Mars and the moon may be a good way to have the momentum and the The capability to launch something with manned humans off to Mars, but we can't just skip that step We've we've got to do it one by one by one I'm confused at the point of the question like why why did the u.s fund a road bill in 2023 and not 2012 What does this have to do with it being a conspiracy the fact that there are lots of Factors in investing into certain political decisions of different time periods Isn't an argument for a conspiracy. This is like the dumbest question you can imagine So the equivalent like to your road bill Scenario it'd be like saying why like if we have the capability to build roads Why haven't we built any roads in 50 years? Yes, that's exactly what happens like all over the country Like the the government is stupid and inefficient They do build roads like constantly like it never there are lots of places But like it's constantly happening all the time So there are lots of places all around the country that have decaying infrastructure one of the biggest topics In in the country is our decaying Why I don't know what you're incapable of understanding the point here So the point here is that there are things we could do now But we're not doing them for lots of reasons lots of political reasons personal motivation reasons money reasons all kinds of stupid Reasons that are irrelevant. There are lots of things we could do to make the world better, but we're not doing them Is that evidence of a conspiracy? No No, it's not necessarily to take it as a whole though with all there is no hole that is there's zero evidence there None zero responding don't interrupt me right james james james coons who are you clearly james? I'm clearly james. Come on. You gotta listen to the moderator. Come on. The moderator's got a job All right, we're gonna let austin respond for a second here guys um Can we just start over Can you like list the evidence that you have that we happen to the moon? What is there? Well, how did how did how did so so the question was and I I just like that you're getting away from the question sort of thing that you're sort of going well, well, it's not not, you know, I So so your question was why didn't we go back? And and it wasn't like nasa was doing nothing during the 90s and 80s and things like that the focus shifted to mars So and and t-jump's point is correct If you if you have like a focus on say this area that you want to focus on from the government And then you shift to another area or you don't you don't go back to that area because you've already done work on it That may be a sign of governmental incompetence, but it certainly isn't a conspiracy that you're trying to you know You've faked doing things in that area and you've moved to another one They're saying it's a sign of competent government No, we're totally in count. I agree. US government is incompetent 100 agree Not evidence of a conspiracy Are you got some thoughts over there dr. Rasa? um Actually, I wanted to um, kind of make some closing statements I have a A video it's called 12 smoking guns And if you want, you know, I would be happy to come back sometime and we can discuss all these other 12 evidences of a hoax Well, I mean we heard one of the smoking guns and it wasn't exactly smoking. So, I mean usually Those two things I just mentioned are not part of that Okay, I will there's more than 12 But anyway, if you do an example you want to pull the doctor We did have a couple more minutes of discussion Technically on the clock, but if you guys wanted to move into q&a, that's fine as well Oh, I had another point to bring up too. Um, the radio transmissions from the From the landers and things were picked up by australia and the soviet union And that wouldn't be possible for more with orbit. So they had to be farther out Any thoughts over there? Yeah so Do you mind if I if I kind I have to kind of go a little soon. Do you mind if I make my closing statement? Oh, um, I yeah, if you if you want to take one minute to make a closing statement Yeah, it's always it's nice if we can get through some of the audience questions Because there are a few questions that'll probably be pointed towards some of the things that you said So if you have to get through those quickly, uh, I'm gonna stop talking and I'll give you, uh I'll give you one minute there. Okay Okay So there thank you. There are four kinds of people Who work for space agencies? There's the people who know it was a hoax and are not talking There are the people who are know it was a hoax and they're lying about it And then there's the people like me Who know it was a hoax and are talking about it And now there's the fourth group or the people who simply still believe it was real Okay, so I I know I am a whistleblower. I know it was hoax I'm actually risking my job and my career to come here and to admit what I'm admitting to you guys now Just to throw in the last thing we have a Moon landing We have a moon landing hoax facebook group And there's 42 000 members and zero flat earthers We've been kicking out flat earthers ever since 2015 when they first appeared And and I don't have anything against flat earthers. I don't have anything against people who believe The moon landings were real I find they both um There's a lot of similarities between flat earthers and people who believe the moon landings are real Because neither one of them will examine the evidence. You know, I I presented the we're past time. We're past a minute. Uh, Yeah, I will cut you off there just for the sake of time. Uh once uh t-jump gets back We'll go right into our q&a. Uh, I usually like to save closings till the end I don't know if anybody else prefers to do their closing now Just because we do get sometimes into new topics when we get discussing these questions that come in from the audience And on that note get your questions in the q&a guys because we are going to go through them And answer as many of them as we can also hit that like and subscribe button And on top of that I did pin the Email for modern day debate. So if you're interested in having these discussions Whether you want to talk about the flat earth the globe if you want to be talking about creationism evolution We want to hear from you. So, uh that email is pinned in the chat right now It's modern day debate at gmail.com So, uh, check us out and send an email there because we'd love to uh, love to see some new faces on modern day debate It's always fun. Um, also I will say since t-jump's not back yet. If you're like, oh, I'm scared I can't go on camera. I'm squeamish. You know, that's just uh, I'm not ready We actually have a discord and it's pretty rad and you can pop in there if you've got a You know, uh, something gets your goat. There's all kinds of Debate channels that are related to the subjects that we debate on modern day debate And you can exercise your chops there get some, you know confidence and maybe a lower stress environment And then maybe uh, we might see you on the show. Uh, that'd be a lot of fun So, uh, once again modern day debate at gmail.com is tagged there Let's see if we got any questions for austin and dr. Ross. Uh, well, we wait for t-jump to come back from Wherever t-jump has gone. All right. Well, let's see Do Ozean doc says the radiation dosage is about 200 times the rate on the moon As it is on the surface of the earth or five to 10 times that of a transatlantic flight Dr. Ross, what is newton's law of gravitational formula? Okay, so let me let me come to the question about this radiation dosage Okay, now it all depends on what kind of sensors you're using Now the thing is There's different kinds of radiation and some of them Higher Speeds and higher force because they're larger particles Okay So the sensors that we've been sending up are not the ideal kind of sensors to really know what's going on So the thing is When you're out in space, it's a random thing any kind of particles can come from any rate any direction The sensors really can only give you a clue as to what's up there So that's why nasa is so heavily invested in cancer treatment therapies Because they know that when the astronauts come back, they will be having cancer that the radiation shielding using now Is pretty good, but it's not quite good enough So that's why when those Artemis II astronauts come back with cancer Then cancer the cancer research treatments centers that nasa has been invested in will help them Okay, so the cancer research centers are there for the people that have cancer in the u.s Not for any astronauts specifically The polo missions the astronauts did get a dose of radiation. It was lower than the Standard recommended dose for people that work with radiation. So yes, they did get a dose of radiation It was not a fatal dose. It was not a dangerous dose If they continued to do so for an extended period of time It would certainly be a problem like anybody that works with radiation like a x-ray machine operator or anything like that But you know for the travel they chose a path that was in a very very narrow band of the van ellen And they had radiation shielding to mitigate the dose and they were traveling really fast like they went through it very very fast. So Yeah, I've heard I've heard all these stories too. It's what you call the fox which guards the hen house Of course nasa is going to tell you oh, they got little radiation. Yeah, that's what the fox says There's no hens missing from the hen house Or it's true and you're just crazy Oh, yeah, it could be that You might want to consider it. All right before we just Go right down that path. Uh, let's see lj. Hey, you're back again You're on for the right topic. Yeah our uh, our live chat What would you call him token flat earth commenter on every debate? So we're happy you're here. It's 2024 Why don't we have a camera on the moon? We've had we have had cameras on the moon. They literally took pictures. You mean, why don't we put like a 24 seven camera on the moon? I mean, we could Oh, and just just for the record, I just in that last question you didn't actually answer what newton's gravitational formula was Anyway, you know, I mean this is let's You know, you I like I said, I don't care whether people question my credentials I could just be making this up. I don't care whether you believe me or not. You'll see I'm right, you know Do you know any equations? You said you were a quantum physicist, you know any equations? The plus is I guess I'm not I'm not here to make you happy and to make you try to believe me This is not I don't care whether you believe me or not, you know I'm sorry. You're a physicist that doesn't know newton's I'm not saying that I'm a physicist who doesn't care whether you believe me or not Okay, just interesting I'm sorry. Could you repeat that question, right? I do apologize. So this is from lj Usually comes in with classics letting us know what his dog knows. What is your dog? No lj. Let us know It's 2024. Why don't we have a camera on the moon? Yeah, I mean the the uh, indian and chinese famously took pictures I I yeah as tjum said like a webcam Is is that what what you're expecting? I I Like the the chinese um rover famously it took a picture of the the lander and the lander took a picture of the rover kind of thing So I don't know what more you kind of want There's not a lot to take pictures all up there by the way. It's not like you're gonna see, you know Massive sites and things they're taking pictures though. All right. Well, let's carry on there Uh, free free palestine five dollars. Thank you. Uh from uh says it's 2024 We should have hotels on the moon honey moons on the moon and peaceful moonless nights Earth is seriously flat. Happy new year. Well, happy new year to you free free palestine any thoughts on that T jump or mark I think it costs a million dollars to get like what a pound out of the atmosphere per pound And you want to put a hotel like who's gonna go there? Elon musk, maybe Jeff repays us. Anyways, let's carry on lj says hey sheep. How was the us flag blowing on the moon? It wasn't it was just the basically it had a wire Up the top that kept it up because otherwise it would have just slowly fallen down And the the blowing that you're thinking you're seeing that isn't that isn't wind. That's just a you know When they're putting it in when there's there's sort of forces working on it It's being held up by the wire, but it's not still momentum Yeah momentum. Yeah, essentially um Yeah, if the thing is the thing that gets me is if it was it was all as a stage kind of thing and and filmed in a Stay sound stage that that was all fake. There wouldn't be an end of wind either So I don't understand why this question even exists quite frankly Alrighty, oh we can move on unless you had any thoughts over there austin or dr. Raza Yeah, I can I can comment on this because one of the things I tried to do is to help educate people who Provide false evidences that it was a hoax You know like some people say oh, there's no stars in the picture. So that proves it's a hoax. No, that's a false evidence to put forward and so is this a flag waving thing Now the thing is regarding the flag waving There's a one movie called american moon and they did a good job of covering this subject So when the astronauts hand is on the pole, then you would expect the flag to be waving Right, but then there's other videos where the astronaut walks past the flag and the flag moves even though the astronaut never touches it Now the official nasa excuse there would be a static electric effect But then there's another scene where there's no astronauts Anywhere in the picture and the flag still moves and that one is still a little bit questionable It could have been a breeze blowing through the studio All right, let's carry on there guys. Uh, let's see Let's scroll it up or robin wepster For membership chat says mark reed is the goat So you got a fan out there. Thank you robin. Uh ozzie and talk says, uh, we read that one Rudolph says for the doctor. What is the conjugate of a plus by b i Okay, anyway, you know, I'm not I'm not interested in people who who question my story Like I said, I'm not for me. It doesn't matter whether you believe me or not I'm not here to to to play that game You know, you just all I'm doing is I'm putting a seed in your mind and then in the future you'll see I'm right Alrighty, let's see what else we got here. Keep the super chats coming in everybody We appreciate the chats and they keep the conversation Moving along if there's something that we didn't get a chance to talk about during the debate Get it in there because we've only got a few more left and then we're going to wrap it up So robin wepster says the audience did not show up to hear your story Um, they feel like you have lost just on that premise alone Well, I if you want to take a moment to respond to that and then we'll carry on his robin robin's kind of calling yet So you have anything to say calling who out They're saying that the audience did not show up to hear your story with no evidence Uh, they feel like it was disrespectful and they're saying you lose. Did you have anything to say to robin or do you want to just carry on? I don't I don't understand. Let's just carry on guys. It's a little too I'll back up dr. Rasser in a certain way and I want to be charitable here that that I don't think I don't think debates I don't like the application of win lose to debate I think it's important to have that that sort of discussion and opposition of ideas but It is bewildering the way that you've sort of come to a debate and said well, I'm not here to debate It's kind of it's really unusual But it's sort of it's sort of saying hey, I don't have anything to present in a way that my idea is is superior or is is Better than yours, but I'm going to come to argue it to a place to argue it anyway It just it just seems like you've got nothing nothing to present Right. Well, let me let me respond. Please the I I have a a facebook group with 42 000 members And I kick out any sign of a flat earth or but I allow people who Believe the moon landings were real because I can learn from them. I'm learning from you guys I like to hear your answers to these questions and I have many many many more. You know, I have this 12 smoking gun list, you know, and um I'm not you know, I just like to hear your answer. It's just a learning experience for me All right, sounds like a win for everybody then. Uh, let's carry on and jimbo con says Astronauts on wires paperclip von Braun parsons. Why do they fake iss shoots is space a vacuum or not? Thanks to jump They don't it's not fakes. You're crazy Yeah, they're not they're not on wires That's absolutely ludicrous and and sort of we've had this this conversation about artifacting on things So uh, it's just it's just this whole idea this conspiracy theory stuff people love to get into it They love to see any kind of well, I've got secret knowledge that you don't have Makes me feel good about myself. I think you could probably find some papers on why conspiracy theories exist And if we're wrong, we're wrong I mean if they provide solid evidence and and sort of admit that they faked it Sure, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong But until then we have to look at things logically and and go with the best evidence that we have It's not good to just believe a conspiracy because you want that conspiracy to be true. That's not good enough All right, let's try to carry on here. We got a couple more super chats coming in Uh, thank you so much everybody for your super chats and yet you're more than welcome to keep asking questions Rubin Webster says that the temperature was 38 degrees Fahrenheit in the command module All three degrees Celsius. Yes, correct Oh us Canadians and Australians a blast for me Uh, any thoughts on that or do you guys just want to carry on? It's more of like a statement. Yeah. All right. Nobody's kind of biting. Sorry, Robin. Uh, jimbo con No, I'll I'll say something Absolutely right absolutely right and and you know, I'm not sure and and you know, they they had um Had to to keep warm in in blankets and they're incredibly cold kind of thing. So Um, I I just disliked this whole idea that these people going through such discomfort and such um, sort of You know, it's not it's not comfortable the way that they travel That's not like they went in a luxury liner or something and the idea that hey, they're all just lying It's just it's kind of just really insulting All right. Well, let's carry on jimbo con asks, uh waste of dollars Mineral mining China can though, right? Oh, can I reply? Uh, sure. I think that's kind of uh, yeah, go for it Yeah, I mean so We are designing ships now in china We have put the priority of mining minnows from the moon over Sending a man to the moon sending a man to the moon is really not a practical thing Because of the the radiation problem. Maybe he can step out grab a snappy grab a selfie and come back That's not a practice. It's just a waste of money But mining the moon is A value because the moon is covered with rare materials And it's actually less environmentally damaging To actually get them from the moon than it is to try to dig them up from here on earth Any thoughts on the other side? Yeah, that's that's definitely one practical application. I'm also if we're going to use the moon as a staging point The moon's gravity is so much lower than than earth's it it would make a very good staging point So if there there is that reason that if we want to make a staging point, I don't think Automation can do what is necessary to make it so All right, last one right now coming in before we go into our closing statements So thank you everybody for your super chats. If you don't get the Super chat in before we finish this one up. We're gonna go to closing statements Lj says as another one comes in Lj says doctor provide your number one proof. We are on a globe Okay, that's no problem. Um First of all, if you if you look at a ship going out over the ocean You can see it's slowly getting down the bottom the water Rise up as the ship goes down. I mean you can see that anybody who has a proper Camera now what the flat earthers try to do is they they zoom in they zoom out They say oh, this is just a zoom effect But if you just zoom in on the ship and you just watch they go down over the Over the horizon, you know, it's not it's it's not going away as it would do on a flat earth I'm glad we agree on that We agree on something. Yeah before we get to sidetracked, right? Uh, so savage tops attends says which university did dr. Raza and get his doctorate slash phd It's kind of personal You don't have to answer that. I don't mind answering. Um, I have I have I went to four different universities And the fourth different the fourth university was where I got my doctorate. My doctorate is actually in natural medicine Okay So it's called clayton college university All right, and uh Yeah matters now had put in a membership ship chat there We are going to be doing an after show on matters now. So Uh, we'll put the link for that in the description and uh, yeah, hopefully we'll see you all there I'll also give you guys the uh, stream yard links. So uh, you can join us if you'd like So nominal last chat here says soon we'll go to deep space and mine dark matter Hmm I like that Uh, ozian talks coming in with one membership and then we'll go into the uh Into our closings says a mark style is lovely. It out shines his debate So membership chat just a fan chat. That's always nice to see I'll thank you. I've seen it out shines my head as well All right, so, uh T jump will start with you one minute on the clock closing statements on the discussion and where can everybody find you? potato youtube.com slash t jump Any thoughts on the closing of the debate No, no. All right over to you mark one minute on the clock. You're closing thoughts Yeah, so um, I talk a lot about conspiracy theory and what makes people believe them And it's not like every conspiracy theory is false. Sure But we can't just assume that conspiracy theories are right on nothing But sort of anecdotal evidence and nothing on people say so because there's all kinds of people saying This is a conspiracy and that's a conspiracy and we don't know who to believe So the rational way is to go with what the evidence says and try and uncover more evidence and unfortunately today We didn't have any evidence whatsoever. Um, there's a lot a whole load of what ifs and a whole load of wool They had motivations and a whole load of will I I see this myself No real actual concrete evidence that any of this was faked and a lot of evidence to say that it was not the retro reflectors that the Photograph the all of the evidence says that this was actually done And they explained how to do it and we didn't get any explanations why they couldn't Just a whole load of hyperbole. Um, so Yeah, I I still believe that we went to the moon. I think it was a Tremendous feat. I I haven't been given today any reason why we could not make it to the moon other than misunderstandings about how cold space is and misunderstandings about how radiation works All right, uh, thank you. Yes. Thank you T jump and mark reed for being here in your closing statements. Um, dr Raza, would you like to go first? One minute actually keep keep could austin go first. Oh sure. I didn't know if you were still in a hurry So austin one minute on the on the floor So mark just said we were supposed to provide concrete evidence that the moon that he didn't have and That's we don't have the burden of proof um So there is some circumstantial evidence that didn't happen and but we really have to look at the empirical evidence that the, uh, moon landing and non skeptics provide and What is it like moon rocks without a fusion crush? They find those in an Antarctic all the time Uh, there's a footage Which I mean, I don't know Looks like pretty easy to pick to me with the wires on a black background or just, you know in a microgravity plane If better evidence is presented next year Then I'll be the first to make that was a mistake and when they don't Please just consider that maybe you're wrong about this one All right, uh over to you dr raza one minute on the floor All right I want to try to explain to you how nasa pulled off this hoax The way they did it was they sent the astronauts to low earth orbit and then they had Beamed down the pre-recorded video clips of them hopping around inside of stage studio Now nasa was able to send unmanned craft to the moon nasa was able to place down retroflectors using those unmanned crafts nasa was able to scoop up rocks And bring those rocks back to earth using unmanned crafts So that's how they did it. They sent unmanned crafts brought the rocks back They sent down pre-recorded video clips of them hopping around inside a studio And then they presented the rocks to the public as these are real rocks brought back by human hands All right, we're going to close it out there guys So thanks everybody for tuning in for our first debate of 2024 We're glad that you all made it. We're glad we're here too So if you had fun hit the like button share this out in the spaces you'd like to have these debates And once again, we want to hear from you if you enjoy having these discussions Email us at moderndaydebate at gmail.com and let us know what's got your goat and we'll see about getting you on And once again, if you're not confident and that's not your jam You don't want to be on camera right yet. 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