 Timber certification promises to protect forests from illegal exploitation. But in Indonesia, it can have unintended consequences on local industries. The rural areas are rich in natural resources. But if the people are in trouble looking for wood with a high price, if they continue to take care of the wood themselves, they will be forced to go to the hospital because of illegal logging. So we want the people to get wood, but also with a legal status. The local economy depends on uncertified timber for jobs and to supply local markets. In Burau, I think more than 90% of the timber they use in the housing or in the project are illegal. For the local industry, certification is costly. In one timber yard, logs are left to rot because they do not have the permit to be sold on the market. One certified timber supplier says it's difficult to pass on the costs to consumers. With the addition of the permit, with the industry, of course, we have the addition of the permit. So when we are in the market, it is also in the market. There may be a lot of people affected by other variables. So it's not stable yet. CFO's research provides much needed insight into the industry, which is helping the local government to develop laws so certification can bring social as well as environmental benefits.