 Good to have you back for this our show think take Hawaii's human humane architecture. That's happening to be our 296th show and the accumulated viewership you see down there. So welcome back us is from the Opposite ends of our globe Back in Honolulu, Hawaii at his Ozzy Poff design home the sort of brown hide a soda Hello, everyone and me on that other end and Munich Germany Martin display We wished we would have had Matt back with us, but he had to attend a faculty meeting. So let's hope for next week I was wondering if that's his did they drag him into teaching to or is it his institutional clients? I think the letter but we will find out next week when we ask him So we default back or actually it's more we go back to Comparing the two windy cities of Chicago and Honolulu and by the way yours is Honolulu is literally windy right now, right? Yes, we are undergoing the remnants of hurricane Calvin, which Fortunately did not turn out to be a major thing Some rain some wind but nothing terrible All right, that's good to know and just a weather check of Chicago where we're talking about and here Germany is pretty much the same temperature wise somewhere in the mid 80s Not too bad and but we don't have the storm we had it last week as we we gave it to you So thank if we go back to the you're welcome if you go back to the first slide Which is also the last one we ended on but shame on us There's a saying in Germany. I have my weekly German lessons for you Den Wald nicht sehen vor lauter Bäume I don't even let you try but it means you don't see the trees because of the forest and here we didn't see the upterra We come off last the upterra too much into the into the treetops there and our point was that Back then in the 60s or the 70s Where we had the land yacht and the strassenpoids and their Fuel efficiency, you know, wasn't anywhere where we have to have it today So but buildings or cars you can't really blame because they didn't really know any better But these days we know better and that's why we were critical about the newest SOM building here and We wish that's what we forgot to say and we say here now and we want to illustrate It would be like an upterra because the upterra is that car That this is a reference to our other show automobiles and architecture that thrives to be not even having to Stop at any gas station not even an electric one Because its body is basically Engineered the way that it could be or it will be covered with thin film PV So while it drives and that's predominantly where you are Over here maybe not so much because you never know and could be quite cloudy and overcast at times but In Hawaii the Sun is almost always out there except now when you got the storm same in California Where Ron Lindgren is so that's where it will work and that kind of equivalency in architecture We would like to see However, we also threw in the very little chokeboard at the at the right Which is the link fault. This is a quote from our auto our automobile Architecture show because Neil Young the old rocker who also used to dwell reside on the island somewhere I think on the big island He converted his 59 Lincoln Continental with a team of engineers into a hybrid car so many years ago So that's obviously the other thing in architecture to keep Things that had been created with a carbon footprint and try to get that carbon footprint out of it By keeping it in the life cycle as long as you can because even with the Tesla's right He's still got a mind. He's still got to go into the ground and and and make metal and all that stuff, right? And so So not to having to redo that by buying a new car buying a new car you want to you know Keep that other metal in the ground as much as possible Correct And I think the I think the point to make also is that because that was a refurbishment and a renovation and a Re-adaptation then as you just said we are not being required to dig up more metal to create a whole new car body but in the case of Buildings obviously a building doesn't move around and a building is a much bigger Investment than a car is so you don't replace a building as easily as you replace a car and renovating a building and Being innovative with an existing building is something that we can and should do more of rather than Sometimes just demolish and build a whole new one Absolutely, and in our discipline and profession for that one of the major Protagonists who is gonna following us or we him that gets us to the next slide is Lord, I think he was but I think he's now barren which is supposedly higher the next rank up there and when the queen When he was stolen now life now is Charles the king gives it to certain people This is faster and all men faster and we've been following him We were induced work together to saw see revisit one of his early buildings from the Early 90s when I got to school when I went to school and we talked to Matt about it So here's some show quotes of that and I think next week We should throw in something from semi who says hi by the way who is on a school vacation to our capital city of Berlin and this is where before the reunification Ginta Banish had been building our capital in Bonn and then our government which was very controversial because Not only going back to Berlin, which is also where Hitler was governing But then also the Reichstag is a very historically for you the historian the soda very historically Loaded building that we had a lot of discussions because the very sort of open, you know transparent Democratic a pavilion by Banish was for many me including a way better Representing a Germany that you had kindly gotten back on our feet. Have we had screwed up so badly so many were afraid that would go backwards and but the faith was in foster who's a British by the way and he Did a decent job of renovating remodeling the Reichstag and the cupola Was replaced from basically stone to glass and there's a spiraling staircase that goes up there and you're nodding in the right direction You know most everyone in the world probably has an idea of that But we semi promise to take pictures So we will show them next week and and share with everyone and today as a promise Yeah, tell me what you think I mean, I have obviously never been to that newly renovated or fairly newly renovated Reichstag Dome, but what do you think of it as someone who's seen it? I I think he did the best job He can because there was a program and the program said already, you know, we want that and he did the best he can but You know absolutely speaking You know pressing your nose Against the glass walls in Bonn, which you you were able to do as a pedestrian So it was really a democratically inclusive because there was no I mean there were security barriers Then that was before 9 11, you know But still but you as a pedestrian as as a citizen were able to walk straight up to the glass Just by the way as we were, you know saying in in in the capital in Honolulu, Hawaii You're able to do that too you go into the courtyard You go to the chambers and you press your nose against the glass and you see the ones down there that you elected You know doing their job. Hopefully the job you wanted them to do right? So this is an interesting pairing and comparison that was the case in Bonn and and and still is in Honolulu Here unfortunately you first have to purchase a ticket and then you have to get up to that to the dome Which is elevated and then you can look down as well But it's it's not as inclusive anymore because you got to get a ticket and tickets I guess are limited and you got to purchase them and you know about that mechanics I have to ask, you know in particular semi and then I will report on that But that's my two cents, you know Well, that's very helpful to know because as I said, it's not something I personally experienced and I agree with you that the Hawaii state capital Is admirable in the ability of for the average person to simply walk in and look As ever whenever he or she wishes to do so. Yeah, absolutely And today we will share and show next slide fosters Project in Chicago, which is surprisingly because the other two Icons of him one is very very important to us because we talk about high-rises all the time We have to because they're popping up like mushrooms in Honolulu and fosters is to be Complimented for having Created one of the pioneers in biochromatic high-rise design and that was also in Germany the commerce tower and Frankfurt In the mid 90s. We've been reporting about that here and there So it's kind of surprising that in the cradle of high-rise architecture with Chicago undoubtedly is he has to my law and knowledge Not yet designed and tall building But he had designed a very shallow and short building, which is this one here and this is the Apple store Where you can buy a product from the Apple company and this is the project here We've both been looking into that I've been reading some reviews and you know Matching them with the pictures that I took when we sent me there So let's discuss this fosters itself described that and you had your first sort of you know Constructive criticism regarding that he basically describes it with his very very, you know Familiar and a very sympathetic with that as the absence of architecture and the presence of place and space We talked about the riverfront redevelopment by the company the zaki Where they open it up to the testrions and they want people to walk down there and of course then you have to also Get down there and get up again, which we see there. So there's this very immaterial Barrier of of glass that we will get to more zooming in than a couple slides But you know, it's it's but no ends. There's no columns there. There's no post It's just basically free-spanning glass and Extremely amazing dimensions and sizes. So he basically wants to make that be invisible I mean also amazing that there aren't any You know Sticky foils of birds on there to prevent real birds to fly in which usually happens when you have glass like that We had to go for that a couple times ourselves So it's it's pretty amazing. And so what was your thought about that part of the stairs and the the accessibility so to speak Well, one of the things that struck me in the picture of the building from across the The other side of the stream or the river is that the walkway on the pedestrian Promenade next to the river is not that wide and I was surprised because the rest of this is very expansive and very open and very walkable and The other things that also struck me which I think we're probably going to talk about our first of all description of what the roof The problem they had with the roof Furthermore, I'm presuming that this is triple-pane glass I think we've got a we've got a close-up view of it And that is really really important because Chicago gets Incredibly cold and also gets hot as you pointed out. So if this is air conditioned You need to be keeping the indoor temperature Not affected as much as possible by the outdoor temperature for people to be able to Be comfortable inside and I think also one of the things that was wanted here was not only to make this a showroom for people to buy products But also they left it open with places to sit and gather because they wanted people to come and hang out there Just as a place to presumably use your own personal computer or phone And I'm also assuming that people can sit on these stairs and do sit on these stairs in addition to the chairs and tables that they've got Also true and the little show quotes from our experience at the bottom right there is the Crockman headquarters Which is also dwelling on high transparency towards one side And also keeping the building low on the northern side and opening it up to the southern side Extremely, but also tectonically because this is a along the lines of that Fritz Semper's earthwork framework and enclosure It's kind of a composite structure and here we had to read because it's not apparent The roof which you pointed out structurally is out of carbon fiber. So a very very durable, you know very You know load bearing material that can be very light and doesn't become big and Sefty because he wanted that to Allude to the to the top of the laptop of the of the products of Apple Very thin crisp edge and carbon fiber was able to do that Then what you see is the underbelly of that out of wood just in the whole Crockman headquarters is basically just Finishing surface right and in Crockman It's a steel structure that's hidden behind in his case It is carbon fiber to get it even thinner and to the next slide per year points the Soto of looking at it from across the river here and we also see similar to the Crockman that actually the top picture is from up north And one down there from the river is from south So foster being the biochromatic pioneer here we go again Minimizing the surface of the building towards the harsh winter winds is Accomplished here while at the same time opening it up to catch the sun in the winter time and then having the Overhang we can go to the next slide, which is a compilation of four ones addressing several of the points you made At the top right we see this is Somewhere have midday a high noon and we see that that roof is cantilevering enough out To keep the glass in shade In fact, there's even a little bit of an extra room that reminds us of the the school diner in Ilze that we Share that we build and to the left it shows top left shows perfectly what you said It's it's not just for I buy buy and leave. It's about you're you're allowed to stay either Before you know, you made the decision of what you buy or after that when you unpack it and you know start to familiarize yourself Or you can just come in and actually sit there. So it's a very kind of civil Architecture it's not just commercial and that's the point he wanted to point out, you know may come across bottom left You see another element Towards his goal of dematerialization because there is there's very few posts and columns. There's one in the back And then there is two One is behind me that you don't see out of presumably steel and that one is in paste with this mirror Probably a piece of furniture where they store things in there and the actual Sales room is sort of tucked back in this sort of carved out cave that we see at the bottom there with the many chairs And per your point the soda at the at the bottom right is me zooming up close and that's what we recommend to the audience be like a Surgeoned when you analyze architecture get up close Do little, you know Insertions and look here and you see the three lines for triple glaze absolutely spot-on Still I would say, you know given the harsh that you just recalled the hard the harsh super harsh wind conditions with wind chills And 30 below or something this building is probably not gonna be I just give this a try from my experience in this era To be net zero but considering, you know orientation and installation Shading and you know allowing the Sun. It's probably doing pretty well, you know, and and maybe again This kind of typology might actually not be the most You know Inviting for maybe net zero because the client certainly has Maybe and you know intentions requirements that are in contradiction, but that being said I think what we all said he did a pretty decent job once again So, you know, he should also do a high rise because we need much better high rises as we already started to analyze and we will Continue to go in that direction. So please the city of Chicago Commission and Norman foster a high rise in Chicago And there was one other thing that in one of the articles that you said to me, which I find kind of amusing Which was that carbon carbon fiber roof that's so smooth and has a slightly curving Edge that comes down towards the edge from the top what they discovered was when a lot of snow falls on that roof It slides off unexpectedly From all of those edges because it is so smooth and slippery and it slopes down like that So the visual thing that was desired in other words to look like you said like a closed laptop Had an unexpected not-so-good effect in the setting of Chicago Absolutely, and then you said rightly so a problem we in Hawaii never have to deal with it except where At the top of Bona Kea, but there's a lot of nuts and we're not supposed to build there for various reasons One of them religious other Elevation and many more right You recently had a quick trip to California. Yes, by the way, and I flew through there and Just a glimpse of it next slide. We see another piece of architecture that You know client Apple decided to have Norman Foster be the architect and that is their head walk and Just from the airplane wind window You know as visible as that donut ring is really makes you Aware of how huge that thing is right? This is the Apple headquarters Nestled neatly into this sort of forest and again he pulled all the whistles and bells of Sustainable ecological design in a high-tech manner that one can possibly can and it's another very Impressive building that again. We need to see more of these in the world and again foster has been doing this almost stubbornly even when it wasn't that all vlog. That's why he's really such a You know such a pioneer such a grandfather, you know in that in that field and You know to make us a little bit more jealous about you know What they got in Chicago for us in Honolulu next slide is the quick glimpse Because then our store in the Alamama. We don't even show it's one of these more generic Operates still, you know a frameless glass fronts, but you got them everywhere Actually, the Munich store has exactly the same one, but in our you know, very appreciated Royal Hawaiian Shopping mall, Hawaiian Center They have another store that we talked about and at least to show the volcanic veneer and ventilation which we see up there at the top right and the The lower right bottom right picture I took before I left to show us the whole scope of that and there was the rumor of while we would say Oh, this is clad in the salt. This is this is cool but there's there's the rumor that The corporate headwater guys had it all shipped the Cupertino to have it all lay out on the floor and then be picky about which You know piece to use and which not and that's sort of kind of productive to the the attempt of using local material right and again, I'm throwing in also pictures of my ongoing Evidence-based design life cycle assessment post occupancy evaluation because the assault Clad waiting blocks of the Export train station that we did around the turn of the millennium Have a sibling detail feature to how they basically I would say water jet Cut the the apple the apple apple logo into the the salt here. We did it with these glass sheets with Letters of of switters from the back and here you see first I was reading that actually as pope But probably it was dope to begin with and then it was kind of running down and I thought to myself Hey, this is what Twitter is the weird old data guy would have really loved so that that user participation Which probably my client hates and some customers or travelers hate But I thought like this is right on Maybe it made switters to be become alive again, and he was doing that because he was so weird So and the thing that I notice as I often bring up That's an English word used for graffiti in Germany and shows you how to base it the language English languages in Germany and other places, too Absolutely, yeah, and also I was there as you see and Middle picture at the left column where that lady in the red jacket is running that was on a rainy day Which is usually for photographers for us like the bad day like the not to go out and take pictures But in doing my POE EBD Stuff it was good Because it shows us and now everyone else the nature of the salt is that it's spongy and when it gets wet It gets soaked And then it turns darker than it already is depending on what kind of the salt source you have here So we're where the pope dope is spray painted on is covered By the glass which is supposed to be because you're supposed to wait there and be protected from the rain But everything else in the in the top Left picture that you see them all soaked and it basically sort of is enhancing the the contrast between the sort of the fly of fire Firefly like glass sheets That's how they will appear when it gets dark and they get lit up by the fiber optic cables behind And yeah, the contrast then gets even more sort of enhanced Over there. We're almost at the end But let's go to the next slide to introduce what we're going to talk about when we continue this one here Because this is going back to a glass architecture And something that way back in my previous show or in transcendence oulf mayer Has been hearing with us in a lecture he gave also in a think tank show that we show quote up there And this is the double facade. We've been talking about That with met quite a bit and we will you know continue to do here um A chicago architect palmo yan who is very important for chicago And unfortunately got run over by two cars About not that long ago on his bicycle and was killed by that at the two young age of 80 Has been blessing us in his own culture and country where he's from because he's german too originally And at the bottom right the two pictures you see the headquarters for the main postal service Company are german one and he built that many years ago in 2002 So two decades ago this building is also equipped with a double facade And so is the building that we predominantly see on on this slide here But I think going into detail that we will save it for next week and I can already warn you Because you being the historian and caring for The past and the history there's something rather tragic here on the side And I hadn't been in chicago For 10 years shame on me. So I had sort of memorized something different on the side And I had to get my gears going and recover all that information because there was a building here on that side That was very very iconic and very important and we will talk about the tragedy of And and the reason why it's not there anymore, but this is a academic a university building by the architects perkins and will who also have a Very large office in chicago. They're actually headquartered in chicago And their tradition or their beginnings traced back to the collaboration with the serenance The scandinavian architects where the father immigrated and then his son was born there And they basically did one of the most iconic pioneers in school design the crow island school The lake michigan that we're talking about on the way to milwaukee and out of this sort of beginning came the You know the firm perkins and will which are now a huge incorporate one of the biggest ones And there are the architects of this building here Which again is a double facade which in in chicago makes more sense because you got that cold days You shut everything you get the sun going through you create this buffer that warms up and then you can let that warm air You know heat the building In in in honolulu as we talk many times not that easy or not that you know Attractive because again Heating is not our issue cooling is our issue all the time But that has to be it for today So see you Again for picking up from here and until then you stay safe. I'm happy to hear helvin has been downgraded to a tropical storm and is not even a category one so Happy to hear stay safe Thank you. All right Thank you so much for watching think tech hawaii If you like what we do, please click the like and subscribe button on youtube You can also follow us on facebook instagram and linkedin check out our website think tech hawaii dot com Mahalo