 Okay, so I have this, originally I invited all the Chinese board directors to join me for this panel, but unfortunately a couple of them did not get the visa in time. So last minute actually I invited these esteemed panelists and they all have something to do with the helping out, building up OpenStack community. So first of all I'd like to provide an introduction. My name is Annie Lai and actually I work for Huawei and I'm also Huawei's platinum member board representative. I've been sitting on OpenStack board for a little bit two years now and also I'm one of the organizers help organizing the first China Day we had in Beijing last year and then this year we're having it again July 24th, 25th. So please remember that and if you want to go to China or you live in China, definitely welcome you to attend and this year we get a lot of support from the foundation. Jonathan, Mark, Lauren, Ellen, Clark and a couple of TECs, a few PTLs, they're all going to go to China and participate in this OpenStack China Day because you know there's a huge community there and we want to make sure that the community in China can be integrated very well with the rest of the OpenStack community and some, we see a lot of excitement especially we get a lot of young people you know fresh out of universities and stuff. We really want to make sure that we can help them on board and then you know add value to the community and feel they are really truly you know part of the community. So with that, that's a long introduction, I apologize and I'd like to introduce our four panelists here and first of all, Yanli who is part of the Costco organization and I'll just have her introduce herself. Hi, hello everyone, I'm Li Yun Yang from China and you can call me my last name Yang because my first name Li Yun is just a little hard for you to remember. And I come from China Electronic Standardization Institute, usually we call it SESI and the role of SESI in China is just like the NIST in the United States and I'm also the Secretary General of China Open Source Cloud League, sorry I'm just a little nervous, and this is Costco and Costco is one of the biggest open source organizations in China and we have more than 140 members in China and about 50% of, sorry, 70% of members provide cloud service based on open source, open stack, so that's my invitation. Hello, I'm Kui Shi, I'm from East Tank, East Tank is a company founded three years ago and I take charge of solution function design and also the product solution and the architecture. In the past three years we East Tank have accumulated more than 100 customers in different areas including financial and large enterprises and also energy companies and also in the past three years our products are in the keep growing and we support more and more features of supply of the customer machine and service for the customers and also we have in large other service area including the daughter and the companies and so on and also we go deep in the basic software including the operating system from last year, so okay, I will introduce some details about our customers and let's let, okay, thank you. Hello everyone, my name is, hello, yeah we can hear you, echo, echo, maybe a closer one, okay, my name is Shu Chiang Huan, I'm with 99 Cloud, I'm in charge of the 99 Cloud product IND. 99 Cloud has been found since 2012 and we have customers in various verticals such as banking financial and energy area 99 Cloud have many putting a lot of resources contribute to OpenStack, we are the top three contributor in China and top ten contributor global wise, we are the evangelists of the OpenStack and the cloud solution in China, we like to spend our efforts to help our customer improve their business by using OpenStack and Open Technologies, thank you. Good afternoon everyone, my name is Shen, Shen Wang from Intel, so I'm also the engineer manager of a small team in Intel based in Shanghai, as a working on OpenStack projects like NOVA, Neutral, etc and I am also individual director of OpenStack Foundation Board and I have been on the position for three years, so we are also as an Intel employee, we do hardware and we are also working on the open source software but we don't make any products, we don't make any distribution based on OpenStack but we provide technical support for our customer and OpenStack vendors in China, so this is why I'm here, thank you. And Shen is also an author of an OpenStack book, I always try to promote his book but he never paid me, all right, so very quickly I just you know in case you're not very familiar with the China market and I just want to give a little bit of you know overview here, like I said earlier China region is fast growing and it ranks number two in number of OpenStack users according to the latest OpenStack user survey and also it has the second highest number of OpenStack developers and right now we have one platinum you know member Huawei and even though Huawei is actually a global company we sell to you know everywhere all over the world but we're based in Shenzhen China with offices all over the world and we have since last year we have a lot of you know Chinese companies applying for the gold memberships and then right now we get I think totally including I mean I'm talking about you know Chinese region so that includes the Taiwan as well in total I think we have about 12 gold members so that's a pretty substantial number of you know Chinese gold members and and then you know we also do these are the names in case you want to see these are the names of the companies and the latest addition we just got Unicom and China Unicom and Fiber Home they just got their gold membership accepted by the board on Sunday and so as far as community efforts standpoint and so you know this group of people definitely they are the heroes of the Chinese OpenStack community they have done tremendous work going the China market and I don't know why this keeps going this way and I just want to give a quick overview here you know all these companies have been traditional who is technical here can you guys help me keep this up and yeah he must be so so you know these these companies including Huawei we are regular you know event sponsors and you know people have sent a lot of people these companies have sent a lot of people maybe you got a reboot sorry a lot of you know what I can just talk about it that's fine I find it works if I stand here yeah yeah just he can be my assistant okay but make sure you don't block people behind you so no it's okay why are you guys why don't you let him sit here and you guys move down there or you can you know what I don't even need to see the slide you can just do it over there so so you know we we send speakers here and then and then like I said China Day we're doing it the second time and I specifically invited theory who is the chair of TC and I've talked to him that you know we got all these Chinese you know member companies as well as developers and we really need to you know mobilize all these developers in China and to you know kind of help them understand a lot of them are new so want to help them understand what's going on in the open-stack community and then in the open stack itself and see where the gaps are so you know we all can contribute together you know in one direction because we definitely don't want you know multiple directions you know development of development efforts happening from various regions so we are the foundation you know from the community standpoint we're you know trying to grow this region trying to mobilize these developers and and China Day was definitely very you know was the beginning of that and then this year we're doing it again and we're gonna do and also we're gonna have an operator meetup so we're gonna gather up all the open-stack users in China and then talk about their experience their you know challenges in operating open-stack clouds and these guys are also they have enabled a lot of open stack you know use large operators in China later I'm gonna have them talk about those use cases that they have helped build and then also we have bug smash this is actually pretty I think it's pretty unique to China you know Shane and so this is an event that the you know Costco and Intel and Huawei we kind of organize them you know it's a tradition we do it twice a year and we gather up all the developers together come and fix bugs and also throughout the process we also provide training to young you know new open-stack developers so so far we have fixed over you know five six hundred bugs and actually the I'm gonna put a plug for you so the next bug smash event in China is next week in Suzhou in a beautiful city Suzhou so if you want to fly to China next week please you know participate in a bug smash event it's free to join and and then also we do you know a lot of there are a lot of member companies they all organize various meetups for various topics and objectives so we see a lot of community works happening I think what's happening what's really lacking is you know have more tightly integration with the rest of the you know open-stack community especially the US because of the you know time zone differences sometimes really hard for them to you know to wake up and you know do the conference do the IRC you know with the with other projects people in working projects so okay so thank you Shane you did a good job and I think we're done with the presentation and so okay so I'm gonna start asking questions first of all Li Yu I'd like to ask you since you represent a government entity and describe you know the Chinese government's support in you know open source in general I know open source is very hot in China but I'm sure has something to do with the support from the government so please describe government support in open source okay so in recent years open stack make great development in China first of all definitely the most biggest contributors as the Chinese developers but meanwhile the organizations as Cosco and contribute to the development and the promotion of open stack in China and yes we have done many things last year we we helped to sorry I'm just a little nervous my speaking it is just not so good so it's actually very good we helped to build the ecosystem of cloud computing in China and we helped to guide the members to sorry I'm just a little to learn about open stack yeah to learn and then to participate in to contribute yes and we just guide the members to to hold the technical event just like open stack box smash and meet up and also we kick off the work on on the on expose on the combination of open open source and the standard and we know in 2015 ISO published international standard of cloud computing named reference architecture of cloud computing and in Cosco we gave this we gave this international standard solution based on open stack I think this is the first one in the world and I think this this work is is a great work and will keep on promoting promoting yeah promoting this this this work that's all yeah yeah we definitely want to you know we want to thank you know Cosco for you know contributing so much efforts to help grow the China community so for the rest of you guys I heard you know like Chinese government has some major cloud initiative can you guys share with that that you know the what exactly is the cloud initiative in China the everything has to be on cloud or tech or technology you know any kind of technology initiative in China that's triggering all these companies investing in cloud and is there such a thing the China initiative from from the government perspective there are some organized organization to promote the open stack and also the open source community and also there's many different organization to collect all all guys all the companies that force on the cloud solution companies to gather together and to as an organization to hold the meeting and all the conference all the other and also as a bug smash and meet up and etc that's a that's a good phenomenon that there are more and more people joining the open sign community and also more people and all 18 year to to contribute in the open signs open source projects and also that in China I from my own opinion that there's more there's still like very there's still a lack of 18 year open stack 18 year in China and we need more especially for not the beginner of the open sign of all is fairly of the some 18 year uh which can accumulate a very deep technology such and not only not limited on the open stack and also the the level the the the deep level of the uh the technology such as the operating system and also the some very basic software so uh because that uh open stack is a platform but if we supplied a total solution we should prepare all of the uh stacks not only the open stack and also the low low level uh of the uh uh technologies so the ability to integrate and integrate all of the uh technology not to show them uh a complete solution for the customers so not only all the open stack or the meet up or something else there's also some uh as uh as the open source uh community such as the safe and also the companies and other uh open source communities that also uh there's some specific organization or some uh community or website that to gather uh people or 18 year together to to focus on improving or promote promoting the community in China so that's a good phenomenon that uh all the cloud related open source uh communities that's more and more people join the uh the community and more and more engineering join and different companies that uh makes their own cloud a cloud solution or the product uh better and better and uh more and more customers will uh will willing to adopt the open stack as their platform of cloud solution all right okay thank you so I want to ask uh 99 cloud you guys actually enable state grid yeah that's a huge project and uh can you talk about that sure that's based on open stack yeah large scale 99 cloud uh held state held uh state grid enable uh 26 prorins uh cloud we held them to um how to help them to manage the over 30 data center in uh in China distributed in the 26 prorins we held them Larry how provide our solution to them help them build uh engineer team help them to enable their legacy data center equipment and use it in the cloud uh overall cloud solution and help them centralize all the cloud resources so they can use a centralized platform to manage resources uh distributed around uh in the China and also we uh have close working on their uh business we are uh putting the the cloud solution in the energy industry help them to uh put uh migrate their application from their original platform to our new cloud platform and improve the operation efficiency and their business agilities yes okay so we see a lot of actually e-government kind of initiatives going on you know because government wants to modernize their infrastructure and also be um also there's this industrial digitization um movement that's going on right now so a lot of um you know member companies uh here actually are very much involved in those projects um so next um I'd like to ask get a developer perspective because Shane has written a book to help Chinese developers learn about OpenStack so I want to ask Shane from your perspective you know what are the challenges of Chinese developers when they try to first learn about OpenStack or and you know develop OpenStack and integrate it into the community what are their main challenges I think the I have two uh major challenges as a developer one is a time zone issue as Annie I mentioned is it's very hard for developers to stay very late to join the meetings in the community and second issue as you know the language issue so I think the people especially for the Chinese developer they are they are eager to learn new technology and also contribute but it's uh then it's it's very hard to say and you're hard to speak out so they they talk less and they develop more yeah especially for developers yeah yeah that's true and uh I think the other issue we have is like in uh in China a lot of customers uh the Chinese is a a sort of language so for the customer it's very hard to use English software so they will do a lot of customization based on OpenStack so especially they they have specific requirements um but for this they also equal to um satisfy the requirements and contribute to the upstream however most of the features most of the features are from the customization uh they are not able to upstream them and this is uh I think this is a bigger challenge because they are put a lot efforts to maintain those features they are locally yeah I think I have one thing to add that is uh the resource the education resources is not so uh equally in China as you we know Beijing and Shanghai is the largest uh OpenStack engineer uh location right but if we have customers in the uh southeastern or south south president we cannot have engineer there because of the education so I think the government should have uh those cloud or side or engineering resources uh improve in different areas have they equally can provide such education to our students they can become a qualified engineer right right and I have a question for uh Chris so you guys also provide you know OpenStack enablement service can you talk about some of your use cases like what kind of OpenStack clouds you have um help uh so uh yeah I will share one case of my customer uh the postal saving bank of China uh anchor name is PSPC it's the fifth uh fifth largest bank in China uh and at least uh uh in Hong Kong stock last year and this is a department of the China Post uh and it's separate uh split from the uh company and the separate company uh about 10 years ago it uh this bank is the fifth largest uh because it serves about half of a billion people in China and also all over the all over around the world and uh from the from the uh because it's funded just the 10 years it's uh you can say it's a new bank but it's very large and also they the architect uh architecture is very traditional and in the uh in the recent a few years that there's uh mobile payment and also some uh internet uh financial trend that uh it can it must face us such as the trade and also they have the the the uh uh uh uh uh it uh uh in actually beginning is threatened by the internet some internet companies that uh uh the traditional the site location is not on the and it's not uh at a bunch in the current days so they must change to to to give very uh flexible and also uh cause a saving solutions for their new applications especially because that in modern days uh the mobile pay and also the uh online uh online uh financial is very easy uh very uh easy to access so that they are must have the new method to access to the bank so such kind of application is very modern for the traditional uh companies and also for the ppc so they in current years they have developed a new new business application model that they have must have to uh scale out very flexible and also to to uh attract more people to uh for their new business uh business model so such kind of the the background that there is uh um very willing and equal to to to move to the uh cloud solution so in the past about the two years ago we started to uh as a cloud solution provider to construct the the cloud platform uh and also in Beijing and also hopefully there are two data centers and we also uh that's a very large uh scale at more than five five to six hundred uh uh a service thank you okay thank you so we heard one use case from the government project one from banking and i'd like to share with you one in automobile so uh huawei we actually help enable don't phone automobile which is one of the top three automobile companies in china and um they chose open sec for their digital transformation projects and basically they what they did was they used a cloud open set platform to consolidate to virtualize all of the resources and then come up with the one standard cloud platform and one and then cloud services they deployed cloud services from their data centers into all various you know sales and sales and support offices all over china so that was also another um large scale and deployment so a lot of um so that's my observations a lot of projects open set projects in china are large scale and um i think uh in barcelona and china mobile also got the uh super user award so china tend to have big big projects and can you guys explain why that's a case or everything in china is big insights yeah yeah i can share some uh reasons so china uh has a large population so that's uh so any data estimation that's a large scale i'm also interested in large scale uh so actually um uh so uh we um defined the uh different sort of customer in china one of the most important customer in china we call it is soe it's a state-owned enterprise it's like a china mobile like uh don't phone or the mobile and uh state-grade uh all soe companies yeah so uh yeah so i uh i think uh so my team has been supporting uh china mobile for a long time so um at the i think that's uh uh austin at austin summit as a china mobile come to us came to us to and ask uh they don't want to be the first person to try open stack in china but uh as a strategy as a national strategy they want to move on to open stack but they don't want to be the first person because they uh they don't trust open stack can deal with large scale problem so later on i this team bell is here i i introduce uh china mobile to team bell and they have thousands of nodes to run open stack so they uh the team bell introduce uh the uh brief architecture of open stack how they just uh to conform convince them to use open stack yeah that's uh but so for for the use uh for the usage i think that is true and uh like china mobile has uh has many data centers each data centers contains thousands of nodes some of the requirements are wheeled so you cannot imagine and uh but so basically the customer uh the customer requirements is from the the daily use they they are uh proprietary users like vml users they they want to move on to open stack and they don't want to change the behavior so this is the reason and they have a lot of uh users the data center has a lot of users and since they have a lot a large population this is the reason yeah see we have so many you know large operators in china we should really get them integrated into our user community because i'm sure they have a lot of precious you know insights and best practices that um they have that they can share with the rest of the community i'd like to introduce another case in china mobile they have a data center in another city in china and the data center can contain three thousand nodes all the all the nodes are for ironic only bare metal yeah bare metal only three thousand nodes is this special yeah and just shan mentioned the uh the so we right so we come so e company they are giant in the uh china also giant in the globally you see the fortune 500 company they are maybe top 10 or top top top five from the um 99 cloud experience like we are enabled stay great they have over 6 000 nodes to providing the engineer energy application to provide the china china the engine and energy business to such as a billing and and and the controlling such like business and on the other hand i think uh why china has such a big requirement or huge requirement on cloud or because we are we have a great the uh increase amount on our economy like like some small company they have uh see the opportunities on the uh uh like some online commercial business they require a large uh server requirement to fulfill their uh the business increasement and like very famous the or mobile mobile bike such as share economy bike they are they have grown very dynamically or dramatically on their user uh requirements so they need a cloud infrastructure to support them great so just for a few more minutes i like to kind of explore you know what are the things that as a community or as a you know open set foundation can do to help further you know um mobilize and enable and grow the chinese open set community what are the things that we can think about um to you know to help the chinese developers and users okay i think the first thing maybe uh the chinese chinese engineer they won't have a summit in in china right yeah yes yes i think that is the top maybe top priority for us raise your hands if you agree wow we see a lot of hands yeah okay so uh if we have one summit in china they we can um have more people draw it to something we can bring more requirements into the open step foundation help us help the foundation to improve the open stack because we are maybe the i think largest market in in globally right right right exactly and so in the meantime that's why we have china day to kind of tie us over but we still need that official summit in china so anything else if not i like to open up the question for the you know from the audience if you have any question feel free to ask um we have all these chinese experts here and who can you know answer some questions sure thank you do you take open stack from trunk or do you buy a vendor like a Huawei solution so i think it varies i can answer you guys can answer too i think it varies right and i think for large it's the same as the rest of the world large enterprises generally um you know they want to kind of you know the stuff on the trunk sometimes is not enough for their requirements so they generally work with the vendor but then but then you know at the same time you could have some big enterprise if they have a large IT team i suppose they could but the trend is large enterprises or those SOEs they will work with the vendor and then right now we're also trying to get them more integrated into the open stack community and foundation that's why you see china telecom china mobile china unicom they are all gold members and they all have an open stack team themselves as well to you know to learn more about open stack themselves for those giant company they prefer to build an engineering team and maintain the and maintain the trunk version or maintain their own version and for some small or medium size company they prefer to use the vendor support version okay any more question if not oh one more okay yep just like the way you know here we have competition from public cloud right compared to private cloud what about alie cloud you know something here in the market do you guys want to comment about alie cloud alie cloud is not another sort of customer like we call it's an internet company like alie by do and tencent bat bat yeah just like a google alie baba tencent for alie cloud they don't use they don't use open stack since they they have to make some differentiation to the competitors so they develop their own cloud infrastructure yeah yeah so so it's very similar to us market right us we have aws in china there's b8 you know there's alie alie cloud and but we we do think because there's so many member companies are supporting open set in china we are actually getting a lot a lot of a lot more synergy than alie cloud yeah any more comment if not we have people coming in for the next session well thank you so much for your time and thank you panelists