 With those kinds of shows and the OC particularly or maybe Laguna Beach that Eileen was watching They made me more angry or I guess it's just angrier. They may be Yelling at each other and being awful and I was like, ah, no, this is not relaxing I do not want to watch this but that's why I watch all the CW superhero shows They take place alternate planets that aren't my earth. So some of the stuff is relatable, but it's not my place It's it's a nice that's why I like terrace house because it's the reality You know mindless like relationships will they won't they you know sort of drama, but it's they don't yell at and scream at each other They don't you know, they're perfect. They're very pleasant to watch. Yeah Well, what's what's great is a lot of the the debauchery happens with the commenters and not necessarily Well, and I mean, you know the not all reality shows, but so many of them, you know They're so Formulaic and like there's so much like frank inviting going on, you know where the soundbites are doctored to make it You know, it's like If you work in production, you're just like, oh, I see what they did Oh, yeah, oh that reverse wasn't actually her saying that and so it's like I start to watch it on like a wow like this You know, I used to think that and now I'm wondering if that's intentional so they don't get like you put words in my mouth So I just think that they can get away with it for the most parts. Generally, I'm very Well, because sometimes you'll hear something like we're like That was a really inflammatory sentence But that wasn't actually what she just said you can tell whatever it was was like all the best reality shows are scripted Well, and there's also like I don't know I could go on and on about my Fascination with how they like pretend we're just meeting at a empty restaurant to discuss things Hey, let's discuss this issue at a 300 See restaurant where we're the only people in it, right? Yeah And like you threw a glass of water at me because that's a thing that you would normally do right, right? How many times Scott's thrown a glass of water at me in a Denny's Do you remember that guy we had on current geek who was the editor for like pond stars and uh-huh The other one where people hide stuff in their storage storage wars and all that yeah There's all of it. It's phony baloney like everything. Yeah, no, it's all scripted. That's how you get the drama out of it It's not it's not scripted. That's giving it too much credit It's manipulated What it is they they look for opportunities and then they tell people to do things It's a better word for it or it's sort of like well anyway, we're too close to show time. Yeah We'll continue. We'll continue this debate about the about the legitimacy of reality folks after the 30-minute break in which we will discuss tech news and watch Roger throw Denny's at Tom Denny's a whole Denny's Very strong Denny's at me All right, I Thinks let's try Scott reading line three today. Oh my gosh. I can totally do that like Let's do it. All right It's time then here goes you're ready. Oh three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, August 1st 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from Studer Studio feel and I'm scooter lane. Wow. I bungled that one From Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson I did that for Scott's and then I choked you were combining scooter in studio, which I found From scooter Opheline There you go. I produce a Roger Chang is here as well putting this all together. Thank you Roger Thank you for being on the show. Hey, yes We Could do it without you, but it's so much harder. We really appreciate you being here. We really don't want to We are going to talk to Scott Johnson about one of his most recent favorite Peccadillo's movie pass. Hmm. They're calling that today. I don't know if I called a peccadillo The word I'd use may not be good for podcast I see audiences might begin with a P though. Let's start with a few tech things you should know France voted to ban smartphones in schools as of the beginning of the academic year starting in September Phones were already banned in classrooms But the ban now extends to all school grounds secondary schools can make exceptions for extracurricular activities and Disabled students also get an exception students will be required to leave phones at home and turn them off French He def cad repository for 3d printed firearm designs It was forced to go offline Tuesday after a federal judge in Seattle issued a restraining order Eight states sued to stop the agreement the State Department filed a brief Indicating its agreement with def cad only applies to foreign distribution the court case resumes in Seattle August 10th Reddit CTO Chris slow posted an announcement that an attacker compromised some employee accounts with Reddit's cloud and source code hosting providers And then was able to get some read-only access to some email digest Which allowed them to see which emails go with which usernames in a few cases as well as a 2007 database backup with salted and hashed passwords and and it's 11 years old So none of this stuff is terribly terribly critical However, Reddit's taking it very seriously and what's interesting about this particular intrusion is that the employee accounts were protected with SMS based two-factor Authentication which we have always tried to tell you is subject to a somewhat sophisticated But totally possible Interception and that's what happened here slow recommends that everyone move to token based two-factor authentication What's app launch three new ways for customers to connect with businesses a shortcut button support for receiving info like boarding passes and Real-time supports parent company Facebook will now offer ads that can link directly to a business What's up account a business? What's up account? However, where companies can respond free for 24 hours after which points the company will have to pay a fee What's that has to make money? Oh mom models, how do they work? All right, let's talk a little bit more about Facebook But what they're doing for you Scott that's right for me in particular and you it turns out for everyone really Facebook launch digital well-being Screen time management dashboards for Instagram and Facebook on Wednesday in the US with plans to roll out worldwide in the coming weeks Now the dashboard reports the amount of time spent in the apps each day as well as your average time It's a little bit like slash played a world of Warcraft Which I do not recommend doing if you play a lot anyway You can set a limit to what will cause a reminder to pop up, but will not disable the app So it's not gonna you know stop the app from functioning on your device You can also mute notifications for up to eight hours the dashboards are accessible in settings I like this from a parental perspective From a user perspective. I hardly I'm not having a problem with either of these apps So it's not really gonna affect me But I'm sure some people are gonna appreciate the extra help for their time You're not having a problem But the whole point of this exercise is for people like you who don't think they have the problem to look and then say I spent that much time. I didn't realize. Yeah. Well, the first thing to do is to admit I have a problem, right? Right. Yeah, I gotta figure that out. Actually, I'm gonna try it. I want to see I'm curious about numbers and stuff That's always interesting to me But I just don't think I use Facebook enough where it's even gonna register But yeah, I mean we've been talking about at least Tom and I are weaning use of Facebook and Roger as well I don't think I have a problem with Facebook either, but I do think that the overall I don't know how much time did I spend in the app over the last week would probably be an eye-opening number So I was thinking before the show. Okay. Well, if I did feel like I gotta dial it back a little bit Which of course, you know Facebook Isn't gonna disable the app if I'm like three hours maximum Then you turn it off because yeah, but you can do an Android and iOS the next versions They both announced this year a way to like say stop me from being able to use an app You can do that for yourself. So I don't see why they wouldn't make that an option for you You don't see why Facebook wouldn't yes Why would they really care about helping you to reduce your time and making your interactions more more useful? Give you the option to block yourself and say no I want to put a hard time limit because the operating systems are doing it The only reason they Facebook isn't is they're like, yeah, but we don't want to lose that ad money Well, yeah, I mean that's the thing is what if I decided that you know what I use way too much Facebook So I'd like to only give myself 15 minutes per day. I mean Facebook doesn't want me to come to that conclusion It's sort of offering the option because I think that the the company thinks that people will Perceive that as Facebook carrying about our mental well-being, you know and our you know community happiness and all you know That's sort of greater debate that that that is going on around social media in general, but I don't know I just I don't know what how many people will say This doesn't seem like a healthy number And I'm going to take steps to ensure that I stay off of these apps more exactly this This is a kind of an empty gesture to me because it's so buried in settings You're never gonna stumble across it even if you're looking for it It's kind of hard to find and then it doesn't give you the tool All it does is pop up a notification that you can easily ignore. I mean, I guess it's it's better than nothing But I don't find this to be terribly valuable, especially because it doesn't make any distinction between Active engagement, which is a good use of your time on social networks and the passive scrolling Which is the thing that studies generally tend to say make you depressed or angry It's well, exactly. What if what if I spent a really good clip of time in our DTNS Facebook group, right? You know what I'm talking about members and sharing stuff and getting ideas and you know using it for you know Work and research that's different than yeah, me, you know hating all my friends from high school over a period of time You know as we get closer to the holidays Twitter all this other stuff fine need it for Twitter man, which you'll also let me do anyway soon So I won't worry about it IDC and strategy analytics both estimate that the smartphone sales slowed worldwide last quarter for everybody Except Huawei which bucked the trend moving up past Apple to become the number two smartphone shipper in the world right behind Samsung Samsung held on to number one despite a 10% decline Apple grew its shipments But not enough to avoid falling into third a bright spot for Samsung However with a catalyst estimates that Samsung regained the number one spot in India Remember we talked yesterday about how the pressure on Samsung is from these mid-range phones That are close enough in specs that people are like well I'm gonna spend a lot less and get almost the same phone Samsung's Galaxy J6 Or I think it's actually Galaxy J9 Has has been making great strides in India and Samsung Just barely bumped Xiaomi back out a second place Xiaomi had taken over first place in India this quarter Samsung took 29% of the Indian market and Xiaomi took 28% Yeah, this is I mean Welcome to the fight over there right like this is this is the place where everybody needs the growth and I Don't know. I'm an Apple guy and I'm bummed to see them not doing as well, but oh poor Apple, huh? So sad the trillion-dollar company. Yeah, it's too bad But you know, I think the the you know the story that I'm most interested in is the slowing of Smartphone shipments in general, you know, again, you know a lot of these companies are kind of taking first second and third place You know and stealing them away from each other in particular markets where there is still growth But in four quarters from now, you know, are all these companies going to be seen a downturn or I don't know We'll foldable phones. Yeah, I'm just back up Samsung just feels a lot like Nokia did in 2008 to me right now Well speaking of Samsung the company announced the Galaxy Tab S4 with Android 8.1 Oreo at 10.5 inch AMOLED display the S Pen and iris and face scanning for Authentication it includes Samsung's DX built-in which usually requires a dock That means the tablet can act as a desktop PC as well with up to 20 windows open at once Sounds awful, but you can do it It relies on Google Assistant not Bixby for voice control at a distance available for $650 for the 64 gig version $750 for the 256 gigabyte version rather shipping August 10th models with LTE are now available from carriers at various prices as well Okay, so yeah, go ahead Scott because I think we're all the same. I was just gonna say and we may all have a similar feeling about this But doesn't it feel like That's a product looking for Nobody's asked for it Does that make sense like I don't know it's a cool product the idea that my tablet could suddenly have 20 windows It's like oh, maybe I would want to use tablets more than because one of the reasons that I don't use a tablet Is because it's really hard to do multiple window management and a lot of the things I do require that But then I start to realize like yeah, but it's still a 10 and a half inch screen And it's still you know only 64 or maximum 256 gigabytes of storage Those are other things that I want I want a 15 inch screen. I want a couple terabytes of storage So, yeah, I mean I just like you say Scott. I don't know how many people are clamoring for this It's really a cool step in tablet evolution to include decks inside the tablet Just don't know how much you described it really well. They've crept right up to the the edge of what I want from a More desktop tablet conversion experience, but then they can't do the storage. They can't do the memory They can't do things I then I mean that's where the edge is and you need to push me over that edge So this is the same argument that Apple has with itself and everybody else does the tablet market is freaking weird We don't know it's out of it right now, you know the tablet market it was always kind of a bridge between certain aspects of it and the problem is now There's they're pushing toward the edge where like you would just say well Why wouldn't I just buy a laptop? Mm-hmm if I wanted these attributes Oh easy The intercept reports the source tells Google or tells it Google rather the Google has yeah Can't even talk tells it that Google has plans to bring its search engine back to China Hey China guess who's coming back makes room scooch over Google search engine in time China in 2010 over free speech concerns But the source says Google is planning to comply with the Chinese filtering rules and Android app code named Dragonfly with blacklist sensitive queries and block websites Google already offers apps like files go and Google translate in China, but long time coming eight years ago They were blocked. I think it's easy to forget that because Google's so ubiquitous in every other way The the idea that they have not you know that if you and you were in China And you could not use Google for eight years It still kind of strikes me as as a very weird thing and I mean well first of all you can use Google Hong Kong's Depending you can also use VPNs but People also forget that Google was filtering was playing along with the Chinese rules On on blocking websites up until 2010 and then decided you know what we we don't like going along with this anymore As as the restrictions started to get a little tighter under Xi Jinping So it is interesting to see that turn about of gosh But that sure is a lot of people in revenue that we're turning our back on What if we just made an app? Rather than just launch a whole website Maybe we'll just do an app that allows you to access Google and play by the rules at a time when when China Chinese state media is is Raking Apple over the coals right now because of political considerations, you know in the wider world This is it. This is a tougher sell both at home and abroad for Google. I Agree, I hope the I hope it works out. I mean, I don't know if they I Don't know if they ever get back to to where they could have been or where they were in 2010 I mean it feels like China knows how to hold a grudge when it comes to digital stuff and they hold it long and hard So this is these are all these are all moves in the right direction for them But it's also a little bit of a weird Do y'all think that Google could relaunch in China and not suffer a huge public Relations backlash in other markets. Yeah, it's it's so this is this is one of the the things that dealing with You know being China market to China is makes it such a prickly proposition Is that especially for digital tech companies? You are literally selling information and for For for some societies having free flow of that information is kind of a core identity of their Of their nation-state But when you come into a country where like China that has you know have like has a heavy state hand on regulating information I'm like you start running into kind of things where people it's like well. No, maybe not It's not, you know, this kind of value violates our values But at the same time China's a huge market, right? You don't necessarily want to like cut your off Cut yourself off from a huge wellspring of money And so you have these this back and forth and this is what you see with Google You see this kind of queuing and hogs like yeah, I really want the money, but no no I don't want to lose my values, but you know what am I really losing my values? I I'll just nudge it a little bit, you know, put my big toe and see them doing that I mean they shut me down in 2010 and they haven't gone back since so Reminds me of the GDPR conversation that we were having last week of if a company is for example Trunk, right, which is a US based company that owns a lot of newspaper publications just saying like all right Well now we're shut off and you know in the UK and and GDPR Sensitive areas and the idea that a company like Google with yes Oh much potential in China such a huge market that they have not tapped into, you know, what's that? What's that kind of seesaw like who wins? Do you just? Figure out how to play nicely because there are so many potential users in China that you don't have or do you? Yeah risk Where do you try not to risk that public backlash that you might have in other areas of the world because of doing that The interesting to see if these sources end up being correct The risk 5 workshop in Chennai, India booted Linux on its first ever risk 5 processor called Shakti the team is part of a movement to create a critical mass of open-source patent-free CPU production in India risk 5 was developed as an Open isa isa stands for instruction set architecture. I was developed to Cal Berkeley It's designed with high performance and low power consumption in a small package sound familiar. That's arm arm by the way stands for advanced risk Machine the clock speed of Shakti is about the same as a Raspberry Pi right now So it's not quite gonna replace Qualcomm anytime soon But the first design is in production for use in an experimental civilian nuclear reactor It doesn't seem like the people working on that's really to intend to compete with Snapdragon on phones But everybody thinks it might prove popular in AI uses in Internet of Things devices Edge devices sensor devices So this is this is a fascinating project to keep an eye on this is the kind of thing that either Becomes a sort of a cottage industry of open-source CPUs and is a little bit interesting maybe the enterprise space Or causes a Cambrian explosion of great new processors that undermines the existing order We've seen both those things play out before thanks to a very understated by the way That's then a username of someone on our subreddit who submitted this story. Yeah, and real quick I cannot say enough about the idea that it's first Design for production use will be for an experimental civilian nuclear reactor Yeah, let's not jump to the conclusion that it's operating the nuclear part of that It's probably being used somewhere in the administration of it. No, but it's like if you just said to me Operate a ray of locks on your door, so it'll turn on my smart lights Experimental civilian nuclear reactor Be careful. I love the name Shakti. That's the coolest processor name today. Yeah, it should succeed just on the name alone Yeah, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines comm And we've been following the movie pass saga this past week as it borrowed six million dollars in an emergency shut down Situation then was blocking mission impossible fallout over the weekend claims some technical issues were causing purchase issues finally Announced that it was raising its monthly price and reducing availability of tickets to big new releases Mitch Lowe CEO of movie pass sent out a note to customers noting all this stuff and Apologizing and saying and I quote from the email access to immediate support may become limited So like hey, we know you need customer support But we might not be able to deliver on that it does not look good for movie pass, but What about the idea itself? Is movie pass the Napster or Friendster of the sector? Is it just a bad idea? Scott you got the email from Mitch Lowe. You're also a customer of movie pass. Where's your head out of this? Well, I mean, I have to admit I'm kind of a recent user. I've only had the movie pass service for about a month in a week So just over a month and I did get the email and it came off to me as damage control It doesn't Give me much confidence in anything to be honest. It's a lot of it is sort of we're really working on this It's our explosive growth. That's the problem and because of that It's just means so many more people want us and they they tell me that for example We count on your support and loyalty while we implement these necessary steps for the company. You've grown to love I'm like, I don't know man. It's only been a month. I haven't really grown to love much Don't tell me what I feel Mitch Lowe. Yeah, I went and saw mission impossible last night And I couldn't use movie pass for it. They even say that in the email They said we have to reduce availability for big new releases such as mission impossible fallout and other popular releases At least for a while as we adjust our business model We're looking forward to making this more clear in the apps You know which site or titles are available But a lot of these these paragraphs and these points that they point out in the email and Other interactions people have had on on social media in other places seems like they're in kind of damage control mode right now Well, so for anybody, you know for you guys because you're your customers if this would have been the model at that Outset and you're saying this is worth my money and you knew for sure It was gonna be like, I don't know like a bed bath and beyond coupon We're like the actual ticket item that you want to get 25% off I was like exempt from you know the coupon Would you have bought into this monthly subscription fee and would you have thought it made sense knowing? No, you weren't gonna go see mission impossible You know in the first two weeks of opening because there was too much demand and and movie pass wasn't able to to fulfill that request Well, I mean if they would have said Hmm, that's a really actually that's a great question Because a lot of stuff sort of does depend on what's come before and and then our reaction to it If they would have told me Back when I picked it up and said and if the sales pitch then was hey, it's 10 bucks Per month and it includes everything but brand new releases Some will make some new releases will be there. So make sure you check the app for the most part You're gonna you know, you may have to wait a week or two. I think if maybe that was said early enough I still think 10 bucks is an okay deal. It's just that now things getting chipped away and hacked off and yeah In real time it is is disconcerting or disconcerting rather and it makes me It makes me not want to have the service even though I still think 10 bucks is kind of a screaming deal even for what I get the bigger problem I've had is for the last three days or more In any given time when I look at the app, there's nothing in there I've hundreds of theaters available in where I live in this state and all of them yesterday said sorry no showings That's ridiculous. I don't know what that means or what the reasons aren't I said There's technical issues on top of not being able to authorize all the movies But but yeah, you should be seeing something or it's not worth paying for yeah I'm looking at every theater. I went through all of them a little video of it So people could see what I was seeing and it's just nothing in there our local theater We use all the time who's taken the movie passes three other times We've used it the last time my buddy went in there to use his they told him that his manager said they couldn't take That card anymore, which I don't know that that's allowed But I think they don't feel like movie pass will come after them because movie passes isn't such a bad situation Because it is just a credit card. We've covered this a lot on DT and there's no there's no way you should be able to have it Turned down. I think that's what happened there is I think they just got they got skittish and some managers So well just I guess don't take them right now because they're hearing things or you know, whatever They don't understand how it works and that they could actually get in trouble for for not taking it But I all of this like this kind of stuff that you're talking about is why I don't think they can survive and People are like well, of course, they can't survive there. They're not charging enough money. It's a ridiculous business plan It's not the long-term hope was other revenue and the more you read up about this the less crazy It sounds Helios and Matheson analytics announced in Q3 that the company was already already Generating four to six dollars per subscriber in non subscription revenue. The hope was to increase that So when you look at it and go $10, but it cost me $17 for this one ticket Well, it they were still making more money off you than just the $10 you gave them and they wanted to keep making that money go Up they had several ways of doing this studio partnerships analytics Stelling movie pass ventures and movie pass films where they could actually make money directly off the films that they were Trying to encourage you to go see Still all though that stuff is all true Three tickets per month per subscriber Let's just say one subscriber only goes to three movies a month the company would lose between six and eight dollars per subscriber So if you're only making four to six you're still losing money Their hope is but if we just keep if we can just make it over the hump We'll get this going to make it over the hump They have to keep the cash flow to keep the cash flow they have to not only keep the existing subscribers but they have to gain more and Existing subscriber subscribers like yourself Scott are on the edge of quitting if they haven't already and new people are not gonna want to sign up To this thing in great numbers with all of the scuttle bit around it Yeah, it's you mentioned it earlier, and I think it's really important to mention here And I really admire this these guys swooped in and maybe they didn't know what they were doing or maybe they didn't know How impactful it be but they have fundamentally Challenged and disrupted the movie industry in a way that I think is lasting I think we're gonna see deals like this like AMC is doing and other services crop up doing better doing worse doing whatever But they're gonna keep testing these waters and it will change the way We think of how what it means to go to movies and I think that's awesome. They've really disrupted an industry It's just so sad that they're gonna be Out of it probably I mean something crazy could happen. I don't want to you know Who knows until we know what the death knell is we don't know what the death knell is but it just seems like they came in They changed everything and now they're gonna go away and it's up to somebody else to swoop in and fix it It's not unusual. No, sometimes you're uber and sometimes you're Napster like There's such a great example, I love that example Because it that was also a little dubious was a lot more dubious actually But you know it kind of had some Legality issues, but it but it has that same kind of weird cloud over it like what are we gonna do here? How's this gonna work and this is just like that and it changed everything Napster did and this changes things for movies It really does in a fundamental level. I just wish they had their crap together I the the movie past story has been fascinating to me because I don't go to movies I don't go to theaters that often love a good theater. I don't I don't do it as much as as some of my peers This is not something that I would immediately say. Ah, it's a good use of my money But I've been surprised and delighted to realize that I you know This is actually a really good model for a lot of folks who are like I go to a lot of movies This actually makes sense to me. This is a good subscription model, but I guess on one hand movie pass saying wow You know, we we've become quite popular and scaling has proved harder than we thought and we're gonna have to regroup a little bit Sorry everybody that's you know kind of a good problem to have rather than people saying this is a bad business model No one's interested But it is a little disconcerting that the company seems so Out of sorts to how to fix some of these things, you know, they're scrambling Yeah, the solutions that they're offering people are like, okay If it's truly temporary and you're having a few tech issues, you know For the most part a user can can can can forgive that but yeah Doesn't sound like the company really thought that they would be where they are today and and and really do have issues of scale And if yeah, if you don't fix that and you had 50% of some some money that you owed You know investments do today. I think the rest is on the you know, the fifth or the sixth of this month I don't know where we are with that, but you know, if you don't pay people you're getting shut down Yeah, they're pulling up on the stick. They're tossing the seats out to hope to lighten up the load In the hopes that they don't crash land and we'll see even if they disappear though AMC Had been running a subscription program in UK and Germany and decided to bring it to the US I think faster than they would have otherwise because of movie pass and Sonemia offers less expensive plans that are not unlimited with other perks like IMAX and advanced purchasing And and I think a lot of people who really loved the idea of movie pass may end up over there And we'll we'll see the battle end up between the sort of go to whichever theater you want But have more limited choices and the be loyal to AMC or Cinemark or Regal And get a few more loyalty perks because of that that feels like where we're going. Yep, I agree well One place that we don't have a problem with scale is our subreddit the more the merrier Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and also vote on stories at daily tech news show dot reddit calm You want to hang out on Facebook or reddit or both Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show and we get the emails Emails and we love to read them. Yes, we do In fact, I'd like to do that now if that's all right with you guys David and K. Yuko says hey DT and screw Just the other day I participated in a group video chat on WhatsApp So I thought I'd chime in on yesterday's story about what's up now Introducing group calling for video and voice for up to four people at once David says I think there isn't so many people are excited about this is as as you pointed out So many people use WhatsApp as their main form of communication and according to TechCrunch There were 1.5 billion active daily WhatsApp users in December of 2017 for these people myself included Total no-brainer to use WhatsApp for video chat because we're already in the app. It's easy. It works. Well cross platform You don't have to worry about iMessage or SMS I'm a big fan of cross-platform apps like WhatsApp that don't tie you into one ecosystem Or make your friends have to be part of yours reduces the barrier to entry for a lot of people I wish more people would move from group SMS to chat apps like WhatsApp or telegram or signal or others The benefits far outweigh the inconvenience of getting your friends and family on to the platform in the first place It's been my experience that as soon as you get them set up and chatting doesn't take long for them to see It's a way superior experience to plain old SMS Well, thank you David. There were a few other people who were like, I think this is why WhatsApp is popular We weren't surprised that WhatsApp is popular that that was not what got us It was why the four-way video chatting they already had two way like why particularly the four-way video chatting Was so popular and this is this is a good representative viewpoint on that. Thank you. Thank you so much I guess it just with user with the user based numbers alone You figure at least a small percentage even of those people wanting to do a friends and family four-way video chat Probably worth it. Yeah, by the way, people in the chat room are asking isn't it Cinemia not Sinemia Which makes me think of Mamma Mia, but probably makes more sense because Sinema so Here we go again. Yeah, in fact the last time we talked about it. We had the same discussion before the show How do I say it? Hey, you know what? We also love to discuss our love for one Scott Johnson Scott Johnson Thanks for being with us this fine Wednesday, and what have you been up to? Oh, there's so much stuff going on. By the way ask your doctor of Cinemia is right for you. 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I'm not trying to boss you around right Just but just no. Yeah, if you're trying to get away with something it will seem green right Well, if you have coffee, it's not gonna seem green if you have probably not if you had sprites It might might you just say it's limey trick people into thinking you're drinking green tea when you're drinking water Antioxidants guys, yeah, yeah So is that water by no, it's no What we're gonna call this show we are gonna call it I kick in the movie pass Ha Kick in the movie pass. Oh podcaster out of beta on Plex Yes, indeed they sure are Significant discussion on the show about Spotify's I think horrendous podcast support Support isn't the word I would use It should be so easy for them annoyed there's sort certainly a horrendous Communication method with independent podcasters who want to join Spotify's podcast library Because you have to submit it and then and hope for the nothing or something to happen. Yeah, and in fact awful Yeah, in fact One DTNS audience member and want to call you out unless you wanted me to use your name So I'm just not going to actually heard me complaining about this a couple weeks ago I was like actually, you know, I know some folks at Spotify because I do my own podcast thing and you know Would you like me to like investigate and see if you know, maybe your email got lost in the mail So to speak I was like, yeah, and it sounds like they're just not really Prioritizing regular old folks like myself who were like, hey, maybe my podcast can be part of this Like I also just seem to just I mean I've submitted four or five times in a row. They don't answer. They don't do any Oh, there's nothing. There's nothing and I guess Apple has always had approvals, but they always get back So at least they approve it even if they don't get back to you that you just get an email that says like Oh, you're in the store now Yeah, it's like not a big deal and the Google Play one's the same works. Just fine. No My understanding is because I use SoundCloud for file hosting. They don't like that. So they don't make a deal with you because They don't they see them as a computer their music service, which I get I guess Well, my latest podcast I'm hosting on Squarespace and You know spot I've had and like that either Right it wasn't SoundCloud in your case, but they didn't say like, you know, if they were to say, oh, I'm sorry SoundCloud You know hosting is exempt from like but they don't say anything when iTunes created its podcasting methods There weren't that many podcasters. So they created a system. It was like, hey anybody who's podcasting We're gonna make it real easy to get in the iTunes store Spotify is approaching. This is like, okay Do we have all the big ones? Then I guess we should make an effort to include everybody But you know, don't work too hard on that prioritize the networks Bums me out because yeah, I mean the only thing worse is stitcher. So I'll take that over stitcher I suppose but like I hate explaining to people like no if the power should be in your hands get an app Something that just let you go get podcasts and no no longer Issues you have I haven't had an issue with stitcher. Oh my gosh stitcher They go okay. I know that stitcher there have been issues that I have witnessed but Just in general like submitting a podcast biggest problem is like for TMS. For example, it's a daily show Mm-hmm. I have no control over what they post. It's it's all on them So I don't actually do anything to make an episode appear on stitcher They they redo them add their own ads to them run them in a lower quality all those things but the biggest thing that bugs me is Suddenly in the middle of June it just stopped being updated and then for two days it was updated and then for another week It was not updated. Like there's just no consistency. I see It's not the submission process. It's the oh, I don't like the submission process either because you have to agree to terms That I don't want to agree to the terms state clearly that you have to promote stitcher on your podcast And I'm like no, I'm not going to promote stitcher on my podcast in exchange for you getting to sell ads on it And and that's not the way podcasting should work in my opinion So I'm I just send them like hey creative commons. You can use it You can add it to your system, but I'm not gonna sign this agreement. So I've got some issues with that too And you do seem to have more weirdness happen on stitcher than other platforms sometimes Although I mean we get all kinds of weird stuff on all the platforms when people just want to get all gardening with it I understand why they want to you know what your platform to be the attraction I get totally freaking get it, but it's just so antithetical to the whole point of the format. I just drives me crazy Good day internet So Movie past Question mark SED or PAS T. Oh PAS T is how it was submitted, but I mean look movie past Mmm, I like that SSD. Let's see. Yeah, I think that Um rust pits is in charge of escape of this magazine again. I know What I know the whole thing is a whole thing. I don't keep I don't keep up on those The drama surrounding Russ Remember what I asked you recently. Hey talk to us lately. Oh Yeah, see I I I do but when I talked to Russ, it's like hey remember half-price books Baby's done. Yeah, 1996 like we don't ever talk about anything substantive. Hey, remember we went to the crockery for lunch a lot Well cuz Russ and I worked in Austin together too. So yeah, we've got all kinds of allusions across multiple decades That's right and Josh too, right you guys all knew each other in Austin Yep, Russ and I did six episodes of an access television show together that the one that I was mentioning earlier today Scott on Vimeo That's you and that's any in Russ pits. Yeah interesting Yeah, I remember you mentioned him No, but I mean it's it's it's it's a Very interesting development and I'm I'm happy because I know that he was super devoted to Yeah That brand and and put a lot of work into it Yeah, I'm not I just see glimpses of it when he posts, but like I'm not I don't really understand the The whole with the context. Yeah, like I know bits of it I like it's like watching a movie where you come in every 10 minutes and you see like five minutes Hasn't written anything about Eagles, huh? No I mean, this is it's it's this was uh, I Don't know. I'm sure that email exists online somewhere somewhere. It is it's on his website. Ah, that's where it would be I Know it's so well just because it's it's one of it's one of the greatest Literature ever written. I was also the reason why a company email policy changed. Yeah, of course But but yeah, you know rest is a legend in many circles for lots of reasons, but Particularly that email for Tara's house fans. He's the Senna of our circle God love you Russ pits Because somebody's no, I'm just kidding Purely pun I'm chuckling a little bit, but I'm still saying What is going on? Like I like what is what what is the sum the the family-friendly summary of what's been going on? You asking me? Yeah With a scapist. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah I don't know I just I I want to make sure I don't say anything. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. I got you I hear you It's one of those things where everyone's got a different viewpoint. So that makes it I would say in in very general terms There were you know Personality differences there were falling outs people pushed other people out of the the The magazine. Yeah, the deal and you know and now another company has taken over publishing rights and Result of this other company Okay, all right. No, you did it. You did it very well. That doesn't sound Well, I just know, you know when they're like I don't like to simplify things that actually air, you know kind of More dramatic to the folks that went through it. Sure. Sure. You don't want to belittle what they went through. Yeah, exactly So I had somebody listen to my Recent episode of have such a good day new podcast if anybody hasn't listened or or watched it Lately it exists. In fact, we're gonna record an episode as soon as I'm done with you guys here But I had a friend of mine So it wasn't just I ran a person that I didn't know so I I appreciate his input was like We we had like a very short conversation about ramen and he was like, you know He came across as a little tone deaf, you know, some people eat ramen because you know, it's cheap and You know, the whole thing about eating ramen is like you kind of have to like keep that in consideration You know when you're talking about stuff like that and I'm like really but we were talking about ramen because it's cheap Which is why I eat it All the time. Oh, I see, you know, I'm like, I'm not like, yeah, like this is not a bougie ramen conversation We're having right. I it's like saying like I See you were talking about top shelf ramen type stuff not ramen restaurants We were talking about like eating top ramen because it's 25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I Thought you were talking about eating at a ramen restaurant and he was like, you know Some people eat this at home for cheap and I was like That wasn't even the thing you were talking about top top ramen and he was like some people eat it for cheap and you're like, yeah me Yeah, you would yeah, it would be like saying like, you know, I Well, I don't know. It's again one of those topics where I'm like, hmm I need to think a little bit more about this because like that wasn't like some let me Impress everybody with my ramen story Yeah, it's I like free food, but if it isn't free a quarter is about right close enough. Yeah Yeah, I feel about frozen pizzas. I love them I used to what's the is it red bear or the ones that are really small that are about like nine inches or something Red baron was kind of high-end though for me. Yeah, no, no, just you know, it's the super cheap ones The ones used to sell for like The other one though, there was another Celeste, there's lots of like Kroger brand now that are super cheap and kind of terrible, but I still They're all terrible Scott. I've never found a very good frozen pizza All your name is pizza all the time. Hmm. I will eat a tostino's because it reminds me of the cheap ass Toastino's and Toastino's and Toastino's I don't eat a lot of frozen pizzas, but we don't eat a lot of frozen pizza anymore because our freezer is shaped weird Almost always have a tombstone pizza in the freezer Just in case that's I'm that way about the frozen burritos from Trader Joe's. I always have a pack Well, not from Trader Joe's but my my Amy's burritos that I'm devoted to it's like if I'm dying There'll be a couple of those in the freezer You'll be okay, Sarah. I also Pricy the fixer says tombstone's pizzas are a bit pricey now where I come from Tombstone were the cheapest ones but I Know is where the cheap ones for me they were super cheap Which ones Tatino's oh, yeah, they were like you could find them on sale for like a buck 25 or something Just get like 10. Yeah, and then instead of coming in slices when it was cooked You just roll it into like a giant wrap. They actually contained food Yeah Yeah, I love it when food has food in it Tatino's may contain food. Oh good. They may contain warning like in edible food You know, I'm amazed at this man of garbage. I eat grown up that I'm still alive. It's here I mean between between top ramen and homerun pies both a quarter at least in one point You know, it's like I mean that's you're living for 50 cents a day And Carl putting the meats 27 cents for a pack of really inexpensive white burritos you buy in bulk We talked about this Neither of us could remember the brand name, but I know what you're talking about I I can remember even what they tasted like they had Yeah, and it was like a very blended Explain what it is, but it's so good like prison food One of my next-door neighbors didn't we didn't have them at my house But I was over at her house all the time and it's like, you know, you just go through that stuff And so her mom would just because there were always kids in the house It's like just alright. You want food have one of those burritos. That's what we got Hey folks, thanks for watching us on YouTube. 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