 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Man fuck Justin. We don't need him You know what? It's the Sal and Adam show. No, just kidding. You know what I you know what I want to say Before I talk about this guest that we have on the show something about this particular guest When we first started mind pump There were a few podcasts that we looked up to Because we listened to them and we'd say god they are doing Something right and one of them. It's so funny. What do you say looked up to like that? Hey There was there was there was a few podcasts. I think that had figured this formula out They were just doing it right, you know and well and I don't even know if it's that because how How can we say what's right or wrong and let's who's to say how we're in our opinion where it's going to evolve What we we recognize that they were doing something different than everybody else that was really working well And that drew all of us to listening to we're talking about the fighter and the kid And this was a podcast that all of us listened to when we first started We thought it was hilarious. We thought the chemistry be between brennan schaub and brian callan was just Incredible and we talked about oh man, you know what you know, we're starting this podcast mind pump like Once it gets, you know to a certain point it'd be so awesome To meet those guys or one of those guys have them on our show And here we are We got to interview brennan schaub In la And he's a great dude. What a great dude, you know Being a podcaster and and getting a chance to finally meet him in person and talk to him There is there is such an art To what that man does every time he gets on the show and I don't and we get to you guys get a chance today We we get into this which I thought was really fun and by the way, you know He gave us a really nice plug on fighter and the kid the other day. So cool Yeah, and what was neat was you know And I take a lot of pride in in what we do on on mind pump Which is why we named it mind pump and we didn't want to be You know a fitness only show muscle pump, right? I wanted I wanted what I wanted to be able to interview someone like him And not only ask him questions that are related to diet and working out and and he talks about how he Thought that that was what he's going to he was dodging the he was dodging the interview because he thought that that's where we would go And and we never had any intentions of going around. We don't we don't we talk a lot about him about his his uh, you know transition from mma to You know podcasting to comedy He is a great storyteller. So it's a very entertaining episode. It's really easy to listen to great story. Easy to talk to We had a lot of fun with him. So he co-hosts the podcast the fighter and the kid, which is hilarious We've mentioned it many times. He also has a podcast called the big brown Breakdown, which is another great podcast. You can find Brendan Schaub on instagram Brendan is spelled b r e n d a n Schaub is s c h a u b He's on facebook and twitter as well. And then their website Is w w w dot t f a t k t k dot com So it was a great it was a great time meeting this guy and getting a chance to finally interview someone we had talked about interviewing Way back when so Here we are talking to brennan schaub What has that transition been like? Have you got any heckling? I imagine mostly are fans that are coming to see you anyways Yeah, uh, not too much heckling. I had one heckler in australia and um, what was he saying? Ah, he was just loud like there's difference between hecklers and then just drunk fans that are annoying this guy Um, I think I did like nine shows in five days in australia all over plain plain plain plain plain And we do meet and greets, but or after every show like dude, you have two shows back to back theaters It's gonna be a beast. You gotta do the meet and greet before my that's so weird But let's do it So I do it and these like group of just bros comes up as my fan base They come up. Yeah, if you're a single girl for sure come to the show So they like do the head gnarly dude. They they come up and uh, they're hammered these australian dudes are hammered I'm like, man, it is Six o'clock my man. I don't start till eight like you guys need to chill calm down. It's gonna be a long night Like All right, and so I start the show and they're laughing at things that it's not even the punch line They're laughing at things that aren't funny at all and it's disturbing the crowd And then they start chanting things like from the show or something my reference before I just go I gotta chill out fellas. Let's chill out, man They keep going and then they start getting nasty and I I'm trying to power through it and then finally I'm just like I haven't dealt had to deal with a lot of hecklers. So I just stopped and was like, hold on. Hold on. Hold on I went fellas Tony hinge clip was the he's a buddy of mine. You know, Tony Tony small guy Tony Was there like a two months before so they they knew who he was they went to a show and they they told me out in the meet and greet I went fellas. I'm not Tony hinge cliff. I'm not your normal comedian If you don't shut the fuck up I will come down there with this giant brown hand in front of everyone and slap the fuck out of the four of you And just pipe down the rest of the dude, you know, that's that's true. You have that you could pull that card No, no other community could pull that. It's not good though. It's not good. Well, the show was fun because they were laughing at them but if I've gone that route like I've had to do trial and error here and if I Bragg if I talk about my size or looks it just shut the it puts people in the defense like Jesus Christ Like you went too far. Yeah, they're like, uh, they thought what's like, uh, I look and I'm not I've never been a bully But I look like the guy who bullied you in in high school. So that's not funny So I have to build, you know, knock down those walls You have to come in with like horrible posture No, no on myself. I'm not a bully. I just uh, you know, you just you just do funny stuff That's real and then eventually you build down those walls The problem is when I do all my sets at the comedy store off sunset. Those aren't that's not my fan base They have no no idea who I am. I cover my tattoos 99 of the time I try to yeah, I try to look, you know dapper and there it's like, you know, you're dealing with people That don't know you. Hmm. What's harder fighting or trying to make people laugh? Uh, completely different Like I'm always nervous before any show, but I'm never uh, like before a fight I was terrified for my life, you know, but in in stand-up Listen, if you if you put the the work in, you know, you you should not fuck up in uh, can I cast on it? I try not to please do though. I try not to but um, I uh It was stand-up. You should know, you know, I'm getting my training in at the comedy store. So um in fighting I could you know, I can say this in confidence I've worked everyone I've ever fought and as far as training camp no one out worked me And there's no fucking way you'd have to be a robot on peds. Maybe they were but um, No one out worked me. However in that octagon, I can't control the other guy I just can't man. He might be they happen to be really fucking good And sometimes they I get punched in the face in comedy Man, I've put the work in if it doesn't work. It's on me usually or the crowd, you know At what point at what point did you make that switch mentally that you realized because you made it all the way You're in the u.s.c. So it's not like you made it to the top, right? At what point did you make that switch and say like I'm over this This is where I'm going and was that a hard transition for you to let go of of fighting scary I should say scary. I know I reference scary a lot. I'm a scared person in general, but um Uh, it was like this process where where each fight like the passion the fire's not there and that's when you get hurt And I just it was the perfect storm whether you believe in god or not I'm not the most religious person, but whoever's up there Whatever the earth was just going dude get out of fighting. You can go do this for god's sakes I was like, no, I'm gonna keep doing this and the u.s.c. Is like, oh, you make a lot of money in sponsorships. Well, we're signing the Reebok deal So you want what else you need us to do to get you over here, man Right. And then I lose my fight In the locker room. I looked at my team. I told them I said, that's the last one man Like, oh, come on. I'm like, I swear to god. This is it This is it man. I'm done after this like all right We've had a good camp just go out there do your thing And you know, I went out there lost and came back and I was like, I'm at peace with this man I'm good. I don't want to do this anymore. I got this busted lip I'm you know, it's not like I'm freaking 50 cent over here paying the bills It's just like this isn't worth it to me man. I wish there's something more for me I knew it. There's just something more for me out there. Well, you're already doing fire in the kid, right? You're already doing fire to the kid this point. I was doing fighter in the kid I wasn't doing really well at this point. It was doing good. I it was doing it was doing. Yeah, it was doing well And because were you making more doing that at that point yet from fighting or was it still fighting? That was paying the bill again. This this is you know, whoever's upstairs whoever's controlling this chaos we're living Uh, I remember I got my check for getting punched in the face by Travis Brown And that came in the mail and then I got my check for doing the fire in the kid And the fine kid one was like five grand more. Oh, wow. I was like god damn it. All right. All right But then I had the you know the infamous podcast with Joe Rogan where he was like, you know, you're terrible at fighting Let's never oh my god. And I was like, yeah, right on cool, man Oh my gosh. Thanks asshole And then um, then get you guys a lot closer to those friends or people yeah People don't realize I close Joe. I talked to Joe every day every single day I talked to him this morning. Um, every day any big decision I have I talked to him. Um, Yeah, I guess it brought us closer. Um, only the closest people could say that to you know what I mean When you know someone that well and they say to you, you know, still awkward, but um Nobody wants to be told that your craft, bro. True. It's your craft It was it was more embarrassing than anything But I was already done before that but the competitor me when he did that the the athlete in me went Oh, let's prove him wrong. Let's do this So I was like, I'm gonna cut to 205 and fight just prove Joe wrong I got down to like 218 217. I was cutting like crazy. I woke up one morning and looked at me and went What the fuck are you doing, man? You don't want to do this. I just stop Wow Now how much pushback did you get from like the u.s.c. when you were making that transition? I gotta think they'd be A little butt hurt over that and I know you openly talk about the sponsorship rebalking everything Which we all appreciate. Yeah, did you get any hate from from u.s.c. Or they did they contact you about shit or try and quiet you down at all? The only hate I get and all that again with man It was the perfect storm So I used to have so much animosity towards danoite in the ufc and how it you know I didn't become world champ and I wasn't this gsp type of star And I had the biggest chip on my shoulder the biggest you could imagine and I was doing the podcast and I would spit Fucking fire man for the fighters. That's how I found myself. Yeah, and I would go crazy And then, you know, you just you just grow up and you mature and Dana whites not making decisions based off and I hate to reference myself in third person ever bear with me He's not making decisions off brennan schaub's life. He's not he's a company to run So I don't have any animosity towards him zero Matter of fact, I should probably give him royalties because I would still be fighting if they didn't sign these deals and things Didn't end up going bad for me in the ufc. So I don't I have zero animosity I would help them out. However, however, they need help in any uh that being that being said What do you think though about like the whole rebus? Is it working out for them? Is it doing well or are the fighters still having a hard time with it? Like, yeah, I you know I I do think that was a mistake and again, it's it's not Reebok's fault. If you're Reebok's fault, they're going this is a good deal. Yeah, they don't know the lay of the land They're going hold on we we can do all this for this much. Hell. Yeah, we're in man They didn't realize the the roots of our sport and the backlash they would get and it was I think and they're trying to figure it out I've Reebok sweats on right now and they're they're sending me gear and they do make a lot of good stuff But you know what made the ufc so unique was that individual? Kind of you know the walkout gear and the walkout song and now you want to look like a team But you got a pain like an ugly ass uniform too. Yeah, they're rough man So what people don't realize again, it's it's not Dana's father Reebok fault. They're feeling us out They don't know man, right and they're living learning. They're getting better. Well, I get to feel their I mean, I feel like Dana is trying to I mean rival the nfl Like I feel like he's trying to make that look where everyone's got these teams uniformity. Yeah Again, so and I agree they're they're trying to go that professional route Which if that's what you want to do you have to do that across all Bases you can't just go. Oh, we're gonna look professional, but then we're gonna pay him like this We're gonna look the part of the nfl and then you don't see Roger Goodell going. Oh, that guy fucking sucks He's the worst of all time. You suck. He sucks This guy sucks like so if it's a little w if you want to be the nfl be the nfl It's gonna be wwe be the wwe But they're trying to teeter this line right now and again They got they sold the company for four billion dollars Dana's made his money So right now they're just trying to figure out where they're finding their identity. They're trying to find it right now Now when you first started podcasting, was it just natural for you? Uh, how did that all start? Yeah, they literally started right at the street here. Brian Callan Who's partnering crime met him and he had his own podcast the Brian Callan show had like eight listeners Shout out to you Brian Where he'd read a book and then tell people what he thought about it Super he still has that podcast. It's awful. Anyways, he uh He goes, oh, we hit off right away and um, he goes, oh come on my podcast and I didn't even know what a podcast was and I was like, all right, man and um Went on his podcast. We did it and I had a good time and went for about two hours We said this weird chemistry and goes, dude, we should do this every week and I'm like, oh, absolutely not Oh, man, he goes Yeah, let's just talk about fighting once a week. I know you're in training camp. I mean, I think well, let's do it I went, dude, I'm I'm down to meet with you and talk and record it But I won't talk about anything but the ufc. Let me talk about lifestyle clothing cars Girls my dating life. Let me do that and he goes. All right, I guess started to do that and We're in his garage and just kept doing it kept doing it kept doing it and then um Yeah, because you guys have a very so this is electric chemistry. This is before fox. Yeah way before fox Oh, okay. Yeah, we're I think we just crossed uh 300 something episodes. We were like 600 deep. We're bald. Yeah, yeah Oh, yeah, we have so many more than fox but before fox we're probably going for about two years Fox came along was like, oh, we want you in podcasting We signed with them and the the funniest thing with that fox deal and again This isn't fox is just them trying to figure out the podcasting layer the land Um, they'll listen. We can't pay you guys anything We really can't pay you but we can make you official You're part of fox and we'll give you some help as far as booking guests We'll give you a studio. We can't pay anything. I mean, well, that's fine. That's fine But if the show blows we get 100 of sponsorship advertising. I went, okay. Good luck with that So then fast forward three years later. Oh, you guys worked that out. Yeah, sign them into I signed them into Three-year deal four-year deal to that. I did not know that paying two years later and they're like, what? You know, they you guys gotta agree with that. Yeah, we're bald. We're fine. We're freaking rich of shit So then so then they're like, no, we need we need 50% give me some of that shit. Yeah, see you there And then you know, and so they're like, whoa, we need to figure this out, man I went, oh, we're seeing those separate ways and that's what we did Did it take off? I mean, how long did it take you guys? You guys have a very interesting Chemistry, it's like that x factor that you see sometimes that you can't really plan for Everyone's trying to duplicate it. That's it. Did you guys know each other beforehand? Were your friends or was it just No, I met brian on the set of the ultimate fighter 14 Um, I was there as a grappling coach for the for the guys with shane carwin Nate markhart and they brought brian and make the kids laugh He told some terrible wrestling story. No one laughed And he had stand up that night and you know, I've always been in to stand up I've always wanted to stand up. We went to it. You know, he's hilarious one of the best in the world And that Fong week I was going to move to la. I'm selling all my stuff in Denver and it was going to move to la And I go, hey, I'm being la man actually moving there. He goes, oh, here's my number call me, you know, if you're around And uh sold all my stuff in Denver told my family I was only only gonna be out there for a month and I'll be back but I knew I was never coming back and so I drove out there and um I remember I got to my uncle's place because I in the summers I grew up in venice literally right here His uncle had a vacation home So I didn't know anyone I knew mark me and he was if you guys know him old school reference I knew mark, but that's it, but I knew I couldn't stay in Denver So I I drive sold everything I get to venice and I don't know when I remember I got out like six o'clock at night I'm sitting on the floor. I just start crying. I'm like, what the fuck did I do? Like I I have no friends. I don't know anyone here I have no idea what team I'm going to join like what am I doing And then I remember at brian's number. I'm like, ah, he's kind of funny. I guess I'll text him So I go hey in town and it was a little sketchy because you don't have the the things pop up I mean, he must have been just yearning for this text. Oh, no, why do I yeah, right bro? I can pick you up in five. I'm five minutes away. I'm Kevin spacey. Take it easy I was way young. He was older and uh, wow. Yeah This is Hollywood after all right. Yeah, and then uh, I met him for coffee and then You know just kind of hit it off And then how did the podcast do when you first started off? Was it like taken off from there? It was good, you know, I mean between brian and I's connections as far as me and the fight world him in the entertainment world Um, you know people just wanted to come on and then we just had this chemistry What was weird is we found even now even to this very day I could have 50 cent connor mcgregor brad pit. It doesn't matter The show's numbers are the biggest ones. Just brian and I dude. It's we same So your fans love you. Your show your show was actually one of our Uh, one of the shows that we looked up to when we first started is because we listened to you know a few podcasts Like you said, we're trying to be you Yeah, no, your your show was one of the ones that we listened to were like this is this the chemistry they have And the way that they deliver their, you know, their entertainment is unique and this is this is really good And it was something that we You know kind of modeled after there wasn't a lot of podcasts that were entertaining out there I mean, we just kind of went for it and we're like, fuck, let's figure this out Sure, there is in the comedy section I think I think that was what was unique about what you guys were doing is you're talking about You know ufc and actually comedy at the same time Nobody was doing that and what you mean by we've modeled after that is we're a fitness podcast Health and fitness is typically what we talk about but we named it mine pumps So it would be broad so we could branch out and go the directions. But you guys are all friends Well, yeah, we are not not initially. Oh, wow. No, we all know right before the podcast Yeah, same similar type of chemistry. We sit down and we just go And do you guys do you guys have structure to your because we have none we sit down we On big brown breakdown the structure where you know, I do my homework the night before so that's my all fight podcast Right. So the night before I do my research I'll have notes on the on the wall to make sure I hit them to cover the subjects Um, but fight the fire and kid. No, yeah, we might talk about Um, Kevin Spacey for half an hour or we might talk about, you know lizards We have no idea that would go ahead people tripped out when they that was the one thing about us was we tried to like Start planning for it and then the chemistry would get fucked up So we'd have a guest and we'd be like, oh, we take all these notes and then it was awful That's it's just that's the old school way of doing things because the reason one of the reasons TV when I say tv's dying it's scripted Shows are dying like talk shows are dying because it's just not organic. It's not natural They don't you know, I don't want to have to in that I've been in this world I don't want to have to defend floyd mayweather against connor. I'm I'm team conners and they go, well, he's team connor So you have to no, no what that's not natural man Right and also we don't have to move on from a certain subject amount of time We might go an hour three hours. We'll do whatever the hell we want. That's how we if we go We might have a topic I don't know how many times we've had a guest and not even talk about what their profession or what we intended to do We try not to yeah, because if we get on a topic where we connect on something I'd rather have a natural conversation and people enjoy that way. It's just a discussion But also also what you realize is that you become a better listener and you you're actually interested in what they're saying So I think, you know, and I just had this audition yesterday and things went great And it's because the podcast world has helped me out so much is Everyone I'm there at this audition everyone has in this for a tv show Um, and so everyone has their notes like going through it and you can tell they're they're thinking of the next subject And I don't give a fuck. I'm just there to have a conversation. I'm actually engaging what you're saying and whatever's next I'm not worried about I'm worried about what's happening right now. I go so much further Oh, and it comes it comes across that way when you're listening and it's myself Right, if I'm just thinking of what's next you're not having a conversation You might as well just be in a booth by yourself What was your last awkward interview? Have you had one where someone's just so structured nervous like that one's the last Awkward one you've had. Um, nothing. I'm finding the kid. Luckily, you know, we usually know them or they book good guest Um, yeah, but like situations like this where someone's putting you on their podcast and you I don't this is my thing I don't do a lot of other podcasts because Um, a if I'm gonna say something say it on mine. That's where I get paid. That's where my listeners are If so, it's important. I'm gonna say it on there be My community of friends is who I'm gonna talk to because if I'm gonna take time to talk with someone I want to do it with so new cares about me like Tom Segura, Burt Kreischer Um, you know, Tony Hinchcliffe, Joe Rogan, all that those are my guys, you know, Joey Diaz So we have this kind of unique family where it's not that we're This, you know podcast network, but we are without contracts. That makes sense. We all help each other out Yeah, yeah, so it's very rare. I do someone else's pot I did Stone Cold Steve Austin's yesterday just because he's a buddy. He's hilarious. He is hilarious When we basically live next door, uh with you guys, uh, who's your booker? Where's that lady at Katrina? Yes She's not here. She's not here. No Katrina give her a goddamn right. I know. I know that she is relentless Katrina, I don't know what they're paying you, but I'll double it She is a beat. She's a record. She is she is relentless because I again, man And you guys are great and you guys know Tony and but I don't do a lot of other podcasts just because Um, like I said, I'm not a day off in 17 days. I'm constantly grinding if I'm gonna say something I'll go on another show and again, you guys are great, but she was just so on it. I was like Jesus Christ I tell people all the time that she's the most important role to this podcast because it is it's especially with busy guys Like you if you're gonna get real guests on the show, like they're fucking busy man And if you guys have someone you send an email out, hopefully he'll get back to me like I we I reached out to you Or the first time was like three years ago Uh, uh, Brendan Abendezio is my buddy. Love that guy. Yeah, so he's he connected us Email I and this was back when you were doing fox. He connected me Via email with you and we never got connected and then uh, the fox producer He connected with him and I actually talked to him while you guys were underneath him And he gave me like all kinds of tips and some of the success that you guys were having and what he saw because of it So that was when we first reached out So I've been trying to get connected with you for a long time You were one of the first podcasts that I ever listened to I've always been a ufc listener I love ufc and then your guys's flavor was like nothing else I mean it literally was it was great because I got to hear about what I love which is ufc stuff But then also the entertainment side of it and it just that's what you guys appreciate. Well, I'm glad to do it I'm not saying that I don't want to be here I'm just saying usually I just I don't care man like oh, it's a big podcast. I don't care I'm only here because she broke my balls for like years I'm tired. She's relentless man. I felt like I owed it to her I felt like I owed her some well, do you guys have someone like that? I mean you probably don't need it. You're looking at them And oh really handle all that me and brian handle all of it for the most part No way like I said We used to have a big time booker We paid a lot of money and they would bring in guests We didn't know who they were, you know, it's not that we didn't know who they were We didn't have a relationship with so it breaks up the dynamic So people are like that was so goddamn boring And it just not that ratings did but they didn't grow so when things aren't growing I'm like we're doing something wrong here because we've never had a down month ever since we've started every month It's gotten bigger and bigger well show fine kid every month It's grown and then when we had that booker it would barely grow, you know barely I'm like something's going on here man. So I told Brian we gotta get rid of her We gotta get rid of the booker. We're booking this actor who's on blackish or some shit. I don't watch it He's here pitching the show. It was awful. Oh, wow So we've gone through some growing pains man. Also you see the dynamic between brian and I where You know brian's 50 brian has his not the brian has agenda, but he has his life man. He's a successful comic He's not one of the biggest shows the goldberg of all time, you know, he's a huge character there Um, and then he has this business with me. Well, I got my own thing too And then we have the you know, we we meet with firing the kid So a lot of times just like any relationship we're brian. I basically married hashtag no homo. We're basically married So him and I have this dynamic where we need to figure things out And it just so happens that we want to air everything so you might you're gonna hear some animosity We're gonna fight for reals. You'll hear his fight on air for real Brian and and I love brian brian the other day was 45 minutes late to me. It's so disrespectful I've talked about this brian knows this it's so disrespectful. So when we come on there people like god You're mean to brian like no, no, you don't understand man. Yeah, he's 45 minutes late I'm shooting this thing for show time. So that runs into that right now you're fucking up my life Yeah, the rest of the day so so you're so we have this dynamic where I you know, I love brian like a brother I wouldn't be where I'm at without him, but at the same time we're in this relationship and you guys you guys We've been through some ups and downs. So as a fan I'm glad you went this way because I wanted to ask you that because I it feels like I mean Fighting the kid exploded and you guys are both just getting more opportunities. Yeah more you guys Do you guys struggle with that like dude? How should we keep the show going because I can pursue my god No, yeah, we will always do it because we enjoy doing it because You know one thing about so I just got this show greenlit does been pitching for a while start shooting in January But the act entertainment you have no idea man. You have no idea that that could fall at any given time Callan could you know Callan shot this uh spin-off for the goldbergs We thought 100 who's gonna get picked up he he he tested high He thought he was gonna get this whole new spin-off. It didn't happen But the one thing we can always count on is the fighting the kid I'm never going. I'm never gonna let brian down. He's already gonna let me down now Toring's a different animal because we used to he used to tour and then we stood tour together and then now of my own Solo stand-up career. So we're not doing a lot of firing kid together. So how's that work? Do you start back loading episodes now or never you guys never? Okay, that's and that here's another piece of I don't know if you guys do this current man back loading episodes is a bad idea people can They can sense the staleness in it. Yeah They want to feel current they want a terrible idea. Yeah, no, we're that's a very important You know, let's talk about pot we get this all the time And I'm sure you're seeing it now because you've been in a longer than we have Seems like everybody is heading over and doing this and thinking that they can just start up a podcast What are some of the biggest misconceptions you think that people have getting into this space? Oh that it's easy I you know, I think they're like, oh, just get on there and do it because there's no There's no regulation. There's no if you want to start in your mom's basement You want to have you and your stepdad on your podcast you can do it to the blue in the face So there's no regulation to be on itunes There's just there's levels to this game and you can tell there's some that are super professional and they're consistent So being consistent number one I have friends who who were former fighters or current fighters go I'm gonna start podcast a cool man The one thing you have to do is make sure people can count on it coming out the exact same time every week You might get busy, but in general it has to come out Let's say at wednesday it better fucking be there on wednesday, right? And they do it may be good for two weeks and then I took two two weeks off. Well, you're gone. You lost the crowd. That's too competitive, man Imagine your favorite tv show. You're watching stranger things and he gets to the episode four and like what the fuck like my bad, bro Come out next Friday You're out. Oh, it's too competitive. I'm out. I'll go watch narcos. You're screwed The same thing with podcasts. No, so to me, you know as as many people as we've reached through our podcast I think we just broke something like 15 million downloads a month or 16 million. So and big round breakdown I do once a week. I just broke around five million a month. So You're reaching a ton of people So that show is no different than a show you see on hbo on espn Matter of fact, you're reaching more people. Yeah, so so you're connected more to them. Yeah, people realize I mean you're here for three six hours a week for god's sake, right? If you're gonna watch first take Come on, man. That's not right. Right. You don't care about that But you need to take it as serious as if you're running a show on espn hbo. That's how serious I take it So when someone's late, uh, if you know, we have this intern if she's late, she's not doing things You know, I fire him. This is no different than you working out fox hbo Right, right. Don't don't don't take it for granted. I look down upon it because for a while Be will oh, everyone has a podcast they can do it granted they can But that's like saying, oh anyone can have a tv show pbs hbo There's a there's levels in this game, man Right, right. You were saying your show's grown every month. Were there things that you guys did? I was just gonna ask about milestones big. Yeah big milestones or jumps or it took us a year To hit a million total downloads and then we started seeing a million a month, but it took a fucking grind Just to see that how it should be. Yeah, I think if you guys started right away You got a million listeners. Yeah, that's not realistic even a tv show like how long does it take before It's here saying people go dude this this podcast really good. Oh really do you listen podcast this podcast Just and that's why you have to be consistent. Right because you're constantly getting listeners constantly getting listeners So so for us it wasn't that there was like this huge jump is just like this tidal wave that just kept going kept going and Did it start to accelerate as a figure? Yeah, it would accelerate, but it was just by word of mouth and It might be that this fight was coming up or I was taking people through my andrew loski camp Or I was retiring or something was going on and it was just people tune in came this tidal wave But brian, I never you know Waved we never wavered from what we were trying to get done Like we never changed things or thought things different or we just kept on keeping on well Yeah, we have a lot of people ask us about monetization and they're always they think that sponsorships Is where it's at and we always tell them later by the time you get big enough to get a lot of money from sponsorships You should be already You know producing revenue off of your own stuff How what is your main monetization are you guys mainly because you guys are so big Your sponsorships are probably huge. Is that your main monetization or is it apparel or So I'd say all the above. I think you know, it starts with advertising where that's where we make the bulk of our money And before you know, we have a company that runs all our advertising that you know, that's that's great money for us, man That's where you know, we make our living no matter what happens is as far as this tv show this tv show You know comedy that's always there and that brian I split that But then I've relationships with other companies where Like on it and some of these other companies who I was like, hey, this is what I'm doing this before we even got big This is what we're doing. I want you guys to be part of this and you know, they grew with us So there's some who are on all the time Then there's campaigns and but advertising is where the bulk of the money comes from but then you have other revenues and advertising on youtube and then there's merch and and merch and again, this is I don't want to say it's my fault But any of that stuff as far as the marketing you see merch Advertising team like that. It's all on me and in I like it that way because if brian did it the show would just the fucking titanic Just because he's not a detailed business guy. He doesn't care about that stuff. He just he's like, ah, whatever But you can't he's an artist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I am too but for god's sakes. I'm a grown man But um that athlete drive. Yeah, I just um, you know, I like to be in the know on everything So when it comes to t-shirts, I used to draw a lot of them and care so much about them and the fans love them We still sell them out, but I'm not making as many. I just don't have time So I have people reach out now to kind of help us So I have to get better at kind of going. Yeah, you handle this but I haven't found anyone who's been good Have you ever been have you always been this driven? Yeah always always because you an athlete You have seen now this yeah, where does that come from? Uh, I think my dad my dad's a monster. He uh, you know, he's like pursuit of happiness story You know, he started off a divorce diabetes broke bankrupt and then just worked his way, you know, and multi-million, you know Balling balling from real estate and started his own Uh computer program program company and smart smart guy Did you recognize that as a child or did you put that together as an adult later on? Go like fuck dude. My dad was uh, no I knew just because I saw how hard he worked and you know If he wanted something he set his eyes on and he got it done And I remember I was in I think third or fourth grade for sure Don't sign your kid up for tackle football in third grade But um, I wanted to quit because all my other I was good at it I was the captain of the team but all my other friends like going out having fun playing, you know even third goddamn grade I don't want to come to practice at three o'clock after school. And so My dad goes uh practice is it started 10 minutes ago? Why aren't you there? I go? Oh, I'm like I'm not going anymore. I don't want to do it And I liked football and I was good at it But I just want to be a kid and my dad does okay. Well, we're gonna. He was right up the street He goes we're gonna walk up there and you know, let the team know you quit Yeah in front of all you're not just gonna back out You you owe it to these guys. So he's like you can do that. You just gotta tell him Yeah, so he walked he walked me up there and uh, he I don't know why but he hadn't hit my helmet and pads with him I'm like, why the fuck is he gonna donate it to these kids? Like, why are you carrying that? And he uh, he got my coach and my coach like gather around You gotta remember I was the star of the team and he's like gather around. He's like, uh, Bren has something to tell you guys And I'm all oh, shit and my dad's like go Go tell him what you're telling me when we're walking up here. Go. I started crying And he's like you want your helmet pads like You know, wow, what's what's the single best lesson he's ever given you growing up? I think it's more of not something you know saying something like go big or go home or some bullshit like that I think it just lead by example You know, and I'm the same way with Mike and that's I find inspiration in that I I hate that motivational bullshit Motivation is bullshit. Well, I think if it helps people I'm all about it wherever your motivation whether it's religion or you listen to tony robbins You know tony robbins is great and then you have these disciples from him and stuff like that But it's all bullshit man They're taking advantage of people's failures and their downfalls right now They're going through tough times and trying to capitalize on that through money Investments and all this other stuff and they're putting out this inspirational shit What's inspirational to me is someone who just puts their head down and goes to work You know i'm saying like uh, uh to me what's inspirational especially having a kid now is a father of three You know, who's a single parent. Are you shitting me? I'm gonna fucking she get a trophy or something like being a parent A beast or a mother of four, you know, a single parent like that's inspirational to me But people put out, you know, this inspirational quotes and all this and does these seminars Get the fuck out of my face with that stuff man. That's not motivational to me. No Shut up and go like yeah, I'm trying to think the last time I was motivated by something or someone who said something You guys know jocco. I think jocco. So he's a navy seal for fuck sakes. So he's walk the walk I'm gonna listen to someone who's walked the walk in that aspect of life You know, he's so disciplined you you fall on instagram. It's 4am 4am And I remember I used to drink a lot of sweeteners artificial sweeteners and diet coke and stuff like that I did have a diet coke yesterday, but I didn't eat anything all day. So give me a break here But I was drink I was drinking a lot of artificial sweeteners and I heard him say something like just stop Put your like put your foot on the ground and just fucking stop make it Don't let yourself down like write it down and just don't stop I'm not gonna write it down. I'm a grown man. I don't need to write it down But I just remember I'm like, why the fuck am I doing these artificial sweeteners? I haven't had one since That was six months ago. Just stopped Just stopped cold turkey just because I'm It was good coming from him. So one of that leadership or someone who's walking the walk But he he's leading by example because he's saying he had a problem. He stopped You know, I'm saying it's not like this guy who's selling me. He's not selling me anything No, no, he's empowering you by telling you to do it right versus the he's also having a conversation with joe rogan He's just having a conversation. He's not He's not trying to you know, just stop and you can stop at barn Barning nobles were 1499 Like it's not like that He's just talking as his as his personality. The last guy to make to really motivate me If you will was uh, Justin rend the big pig me. Oh, yeah, I love that guy So we had we had him on the show and he told us this whole story and I'm looking at this guy And I'm like, I want to fucking hug you and I want to be a better human now, right from hearing what you're saying I mean, I'm not going to Africa, but I hear you I'm not going to Africa. Yeah, I put a corner in the little jar Yeah, I gave him $10 and was like go buy some water It's so fun. I'm sure that'll help. Yeah, dude that guy's gone through some stuff, right? Listen to the story like, oh my god How many times he had like parasites and shit like every single time malaria like like his girl Who's this dime beast like he brought her to Africa. Why you're the worst husband ever? He's like I brought we slept in the hut and she had a tranche to bite her ass All right, man. I just I feel like it's a bad idea I donated to some of those wells and it's like, you know, I try to do my part. I'm not going to Africa, right? I'm just not Whatever I can do financially, but there's no plane. There's none of that How many how many guys how many guys you still stay in touch with in the usc? Do you have any guys that you like a lot and you guys hang out or you don't connect with them? I don't really hang out with any fighters. I just don't man. I uh, all my friends are comics Straight up comics. You don't come you don't come across and this is not this is not an insult in any way You don't come across as a fighter and what I mean by that is you look like one You're a big dude, obviously got big-ass hands and everything But you don't come across as when you have this kind of like, you know, this this nice Energy about you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not the mean one. I appreciate that I mean, I I do talk to fighters all the time like right before we sat down I won't say his name. I got a text from a fighter about some marketing thing you wants to do So I get they asked me a lot of advice like mentor and shit, right? Yeah Some advice and listen, I'm not a manager. I'm an agent nor do I want to but if they're friends I'll help them out and tell them what I think maybe do this or do this or ask for this Because I you know, I do have friends who represents some of the biggest names in business and I know what their contracts are But I I don't really hang out a lot of fighters. I just don't man. I we don't have a lot to to relate to I mean such a different lane now. It's not that I look down on or anything like that. They're just different They're phenomenal, but it's just yeah, it's different like we're just in different lanes Who's helped you uh with your with your stand-up comedy like who's been mentoring you through that? Was it mainly brian or for sure that you know, I would never not say brian brian count for sure because I I forget I think I was getting ready for mitreone I was getting ready for mitreone and I was in box and we're in the gym. You guys uh saw me at I was uh wrapping my hands getting ready to spar just this monster This guy walks in and I just started talking about how miserable my job is like just trying to make people laugh And I was just talking about his size and his dick and what's gonna happen and all this stuff and brian's dying Yes, brian's dying laughing. He goes, you know, you're gonna do stand-up adventure, right? And we get the fuck out of here. Oh, wow. He called it. This is probably five years ago He called it. Yeah, he goes, you know, you're gonna do stand-up when you're crazy and then You know bright we started the firing kids started getting kind of successful He goes dude, we should do a live show and I went have you ever listened to a live podcast? They're awful and he goes no, no, no, we're not we're not that those guys we're gonna do performance I'm like, what do you mean? I'm all about performance. I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, we're gonna do a show And he goes, this is what we should do. So I went and sat and watched some of these live podcasts I won't say their names good huge shows, but they're live podcasts. I went this is awful We can't do this brian goes. No, bro. We're gonna do it like this And so he goes What I want to do is I want to shock people you're gonna come out first by yourself And you're a really good storyteller and I want you just to do 10 minutes of a story The funny story you think whatever it is that day, I want you to come out and just do 10 minutes of it You start sweating immediately. Not really. I was like, I can tell stories all day Yeah, I was like, I'll tell stories all goddamn day. No problem. And so they started booking them The first one we ever did I think was that Ontario or braille improv, you know, 600 people packed sold out in like a day And so I get up there on stage and that's all I knew and then brian comes out and we do our dynamic back and forth And we're doing we're doing these skits and current events fan questions. It goes great. We start torn all around and then We're in chicago vic theater. It's like 1400 people sold out And we've had a bunch of shows by this point and brian goes Our oh, I look at brian go. Hey, uh, I'm trying to I need help with my story The the story I'm gonna tell and he goes are you talking about your stand up and I go stand up And he just looks at me goes. Oh bubba. You think you think it's storytelling still You're doing stand up. I just don't want to scare the shit out of you I'm like, oh my god. He's right. And then I got nervous And then I bombed no It went good But then I started looking at from a different viewpoint and then we had a live Fighting the kid at the comedy store, which we have again december 5th for the first time in a long time Nice, but we had our first one there and uh, we did our thing went great And probably like two weeks later I get a text from someone at the comedy store goes Hey, we'd love for you to do a set here and I I just I was like, oh, you mean with brian I don't know if brian's available like, no, you idiot by yourself. Can you have six minutes or eight minutes? And I was like, oh, shit. Now. I was what no one realizes a kid My hair's where adam's adam's handler jim carry like I was like, oh my god. This is my opportunity And I went up there in the belly room. You know, you got joe rogan crystal These are my friends joe rogan crystal lia will sasso brian count just sit in their front row I'm like, ah My agent had to do some of the beat. It went all right. I'm not fucking kevin hard over here went all right I got done. They're like Yeah, all right, man. At least you got up there. I'm like, fuck you guys So, you know, it's just, you know, I'm getting comfortable getting up there But brian by far was the biggest influence helped me the most and then, you know, rogan delia I'm always asking delia for help and then a big one who you know, I have a similar style too I'm not comparing myself to him, but burt cry sure, you know, I have a piece coming out in county central next year Um, this is not happening and I tell this long story and I actually went to burt's house to go over it because he's a brilliant storyteller That's his stand up to storytelling. That's mine. So that's my style. So I told him the story and he helped me like He takes his shirt off and gets crazy at all. Yeah, I don't take my shirt off But he just helped me with the story and it made on economy central. So it's cool, man That's great. What are the things you're learning during this process like that? It's kind of sharpened your your stand-up game. You you have to do it You can't have layoffs like if you have a layoffs, it's kind of like golf, you know, like golf golf and something just try Like surfing isn't something just try like you gotta fucking you gotta stay on it, man So if I have a week off and I have a big show, I can tell I'm rusty. I'm not hitting certain points It's not as smooth. So, you know, just you just get reps reps reps and constantly thinking and I think That's pretty rare to jump in and kind of do good like most comedians have been doing it for Five or ten years before they start to do well. Everybody sucks for a long time Around all these comedians all time. You think it's rubbing off. Uh, I don't I don't know if it's that. I don't know if it's I'm just good. No, I don't know what it is, man. I I wish I was that cocky. I just there's Maybe this is what I was meant to do. You know, it's just something I'm comfortable up there If I'm at, you know, I'm at the store. I brought up Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart Well, I'm sandwiching Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart like that stuff doesn't scare me like I just feel honored by it and I don't know. I feel like this is what I'm supposed to be doing now And when I'm on the road, I just I thrive in it, man. I I love it. I fucking love it When we we interview a lot of people and it seems that we always get surprised, right? If we there's somebody we assume we're gonna really like we end up not liking them very much Somebody we didn't think we're gonna like them much. We end up liking one Does that happen to you a lot where you you think you're gonna meet someone? You're like, oh man, like for example, like Adam Sandler or Kevin Hart So you keep so excited and you're like five let down. Uh, I've never not too many let downs I remember I was at the movie theater in Playa Vista here with my girl And we went and saw Fuck I forget what movie it wasn't great But uh, my girl was going to the bathroom. So I was like, I'll go to the bathroom And I'm taking a piss and I looked to my left. I'm like god damn that looks like Adam Sandler What's your hero? He could have you know, a fucking beard like, you know, exactly And I'm like that's that looks like Adam Sandler. I have my dick in my hand. I'm like for sure I don't say anything right now So don't be that Hey Going for a handshake. Yeah, hold on. Hey opera, man I'm almost done, dude. So I'm there piss and I'm like, there's no way that's Adam Sandler And I see him wash his hands. I'm like, uh, who washes their hands? But um, I see him wash his hands backwards I'm like, that's fucking Adam. That's Adam Sandler, man And I get nervous like I'm meeting the Pope man. Like, oh, fuck. There's my hero So he's with his kids and I know how it is with your kids. Granted. I'm not as famous as Adam Sandler But I get it. I'm like, I don't want bother protective. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not gonna do that He's with his kids. It's just cool to even see him in person. That's so cool, man Hopefully I see him around the economy circuit and then he's walking by with his kids and I see him looking at me I'm like, I look like a fucking psycho right now And my girl comes out and he comes over me goes, you're that funny guy that kicks ass, right? Oh, that's cool It's hard to make me nervous. I was like Use the nicest guy ever. Oh, that's cool. It's so cool. It's even cooler that he came over and said something to you too That has been a cool moment. There's been those crazy moments where When I first started getting to stand up, I read Judd Aptow's book sick in the head where if you're if you're shouldn't stand up Or comedy or just the way Comics minds work sick in the head. It's just the best goddamn book I can recommend It's so good. There's not that many good ones with Judd Aptow since he was like 13 has been interviewing comics before they got big talking about their journey He has Seinfeld he sits down with Seinfeld when I think Seinfeld's like 24 right when he moves to la and he's this cocky dude He's this young kid Judd Aptow. He's interviewing him. Jim Carrey. You name it. Roseanne barb. She got big But it's brilliant. So I read his book and that's what helped me deal with stand up and writing the whole process and then For this is uh, this is not happening in comedy central You go through all these kind of auditions where you're at the comedy store in the belly room And you're telling your story with other comics and out of whatever the 20 comics tell stories They pick like four to actually do it. So you go through this elimination process. So I'm going through that process They're like I would change this I'm going back and forth. You know, it's months and months go by and um We have Judd Aptow his publicist reached out to me and goes, hey, would you like Judd Aptow? I'm like, fuck. Yes. I guess one of my heroes, man He's brilliant all the movies he does so he comes on the show And that same day I find out I'm gonna be on comedy central So that morning and they tell me the day of so that morning I'm with Judd Aptow who influenced me and stand up That night I'm shooting for comedy central and find out. It was just like this universe, man. This perfect storm Yeah, I told him that I told him that and he was like team fireproof. He's like very cool, man. Anyways, no He's good, dude. He's coming back on I think next week How different are comedians hanging out with comedians versus hanging out with fighters because it's got to be so It's got to be a total different It's like the Geico commercial. It's like hanging out the cave, man Or you know hanging out with not not the shit on fighters, but listen if you're a world-class fighter There's not that many leers to you. There's a reason why I wasn't a world champion, man You know, like you know, you know, kane vlaskas go go have a bear with them. It's a fucking bore But in the octagon he'd beat the brakes off me. You know what I'm saying? So um You talked to any of these guys. There's not a whole lot of layers But um comedians have a lot. Oh my god, dude They're darkest fuck some some of the funniest nights I've ever had have been, you know, their stand-ups great But you get christelia brine and will sasso together man or you know in rogue and it's just I mean So we'll do our sets and then we'll go eat, you know Next door and it's it's the best time ever like I'm in tears laughing. I was gonna say that's probably funnier than the actual By far by far probably the darkest humor. I'm assuming right because comedians are It's it's like one up and man, I don't even chime in. I just sit there and it's just it's ridiculous They're so talented. It's crazy. Have you had a set where you've bombed real hard. Oh, yeah, what's that like? Uh, it's just embarrassing. They get in your car. I remember how do you know just nobody laughs? Oh, you know Oh my god, it's gonna come at you. Is that like Did Like a kick in the dick I had a set at the laugh factory and uh, it was like Armenian night It was a tuesday night at like 11 o'clock at night and i'm just looking for reps It's like a year ago probably a year and a half ago And I get there and there's like seven people in the crowd and these armenians are there I guess not to laugh like they didn't laugh at anyone. They're just like standing there like this I'm like this is not gonna go well. So I I do my thing and I mean there's it's crickets I get in the car and you know, I get done in the showrunner and she's gone now bless her heart. She's just like Yeah, it's just this one was nice, you know, I'm like, yeah, I guess and I get my car I'm like, what the fuck am I doing with my life, man? Like that was awful Like that was a straight bomb fest and that's happened It's just but you seem like the time that that would motivate you Uh in motivate where I'm like I got like the next day. I went back over my material I'm like, oh, we can't have this happening. Right. I fear you're like a fighter. Like it's like get losing Right. Get your ass kicked. No one wants to get lose Watch the game. It's not like you quit fighting after that No, I don't know. You just don't want to feel that again. It's the worst I'm lucky because I don't have a lot of those situations, but I've had a few and it's weird because a lot of comics You know, I've talked to Delia about this. I've talked to Callan and some other guys, you know, when you go to open mics and you're you had a bar You had a Baskin Robbins or red Robin or some shit and they're not there for comedy But they're not even listening and engaging and like, you know, a lot of people like to come up through that way And Brian's like, I don't I don't know if I don't think that's the best route, especially for a guy like you I just don't think that's that's meant for you. I think what you're doing is exactly how your path is supposed to be Wow, do you feel like right now you're you're living your dream or do you still even feel like you're chasing your dream? Oh, man I don't know. That's a great question, man I don't know because I didn't I couldn't think of this I didn't you know when I was a kid granted. I wanted and my dream was to be on saturday night live, but I don't know if I'll ever be content, man I don't I think I remember I was like, oh if I could just do sets at the store I'm be happy and then that happens and it's like, oh if I could just sell out this on my own and that happens Oh, if I could just buy this car and then that happens and it's like the next thing So I don't know if I'll ever be content, man. I don't know. I know right now Like I'm in the process of buying a house. I'm looking at all these places over here And I'm like, oh man once I hit this mark I get this house. It's gonna be I bet I'm gonna be cool No, it's just I don't know. I don't know. I just I don't think I'll ever be content. I don't I think You know the goal is to for a Netflix special whenever that happens. That's kind of the home run Right, but you can't stop there. You're just gonna have one. No, there's no way So I don't know Do you feel like you have to have kind of self talks about like, hey I need to enjoy this process and not just always be focused on goals because typically that's what you get With someone who's so driven Sometimes it's hard to actually stop and smell the roses reflect. Yeah, that's my biggest problem. So Um, I can't say the network exactly what's going on, but I pitched this show and it got green lit which is hard to do in this town And so it got green lit. I start shooting in january. It's a big deal. It's my own show on a huge network All right. Good for you, bro And um I text brian and he goes, I know you please Fucking realize how hard this is to do and just just realize that this is something special and I go Well, it'd be something special if it's a hit like if it if it goes Four or five seasons He's like you're an idiot. I don't know what it house to house to take it in man Like yeah, when I when I found out it's going I'm like, oh, that's cool, man And I'm like god, I hope and I'm just start thinking like oh, you don't want to end up like this The process begins again. Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just you know, it has to be a home run Yeah, how do you find peace? Through my son Through my son when I go home, you know, he's the best man the best kids are the best But before him, I don't know. I don't know if there's peace and before you know, even even with him sometimes You know, I find myself like thinking about something else where you got to be present But you have to be present with him, you know, you can't let him die Like just don't just be a good parent. Don't let him fucking run in traffic So you have to be you have to be present with it with the little one and he forces me to do that But you know, even sometimes that's a challenge So that's the challenge because I'll just I'll just think about work non-stop non-stop How much is he you? Is he is he all you? What do you think he's on me? Yeah, yeah, is he we look identical. What's that like? What's that like when we're seeing like a reflection of yourself Like what about his habits? Do you see yourself? It's scary. It's scary because is anyone here have children? I got to everybody everybody but me. There you go. So then we know You guys know, yeah So you know how it is so with kids it's it's scary because you know what the world's like and You know, I think now when there's like these terrorist attacks or these mass shootings Like it affects me so much more than it used to totally different when it's just me We're scared now however, but with him. I'm just like, oh my god Like I'm terrified of everything and I you know, I only let three people watch him besides me You know, his mom his grandma and our nanny outside that no one touches the kid No one can see him Not not seem like family can see him but you're not getting him alone. I'm constantly worried about Can you hear all these horror stories? So yeah for me? I'm just scared of the world and like I don't want him to go through some of the same process that I went through I like and you know, you see now um I was talking about this my girl the other night like um, you know Football football is my you know dream for me as a kid. It was a rough road, man It was a rough road and you know, I don't I don't want to sound bitter anything like that But when I went to university of colorado like I never in in joe clausen Who's the team captain first round draft big stud my best friend? He would vouch for this I just never got out of it what I put into it But meaning um God, I don't have to say this about people. I come on bro. I just Um, I worked my tail off man. I was I was good. I was fucking good, man And um for whatever reason it just never lined up for me And and again it put this chip on my shoulder made me who I am but it was tough nights, man it was tough nights when um, you know, we're a nike school and nike would send you know People are gonna be rolling their eyes at this but for a guy like me who's sensitive It was a big deal. It made me feel almost like less than or or like a second-class citizen when nike would send this special gear and They'd have 20 pairs of these shoes or 20 pairs of this jacket and they'd give it to 20 guys around me And I wouldn't get one because for whatever reason I wasn't good enough to them or something like that Well, when you're constantly seeing that and as a kid, I got down the basketball team We got new jerseys and they gave everyone new jerseys But me those those put these chips on your shoulder and you feel lesser than and at university of color Colorado it made me feel like that and I don't want to feel like that So like with fashion people make fun of me in fashion with shoes A lot of that's from that not having it and feeling lesser than or it's the car I drive feeling lesser than does that make sense? That's my story for sure. So I don't want my son dealing with that Like I felt I a lot of times crying at night man. Like it was it was rough That's something so I grew up. I'm the oldest of five and I mean we grew up food stamp poor And a lot of my styles of stuff I pay it's because I didn't have those things I worked really hard to get to that point where I can afford that And I think I don't even have a kid But my biggest fear would be to spoil him because I didn't have everything and I now now that I'm in a position to Do that. Yeah, you don't want to go the opposite right and I now and I have an uncle who has two kids that are 25 and 30 And they private schools went to the best colleges and they and he's and now they're both working for his company He's still paying for them at 25 and 30. Are they good kids though? Are they good human beings? They are good human beings That's all good. Yeah, they're good. Not not everyone's meant to go through that struggle and I know be Tony Robbins or Cain Velasquez or Nate Diaz or Rhonda Rousey's or Brian County's of the world or Joe Rogan's like, you know pressure makes diamonds But a lot of times those are great people too, man. They don't you know, the world needs those people Yeah, they don't need to see the the bad in the world and go through the same trials and tribulations We went through would you just my son's not Didn't you that Would you discourage him from playing football? Whoa, I don't well the information on football is so much different now It's different, but it's it's different, but at the same time. Is it does it change anything like it's football That's like being upset Michael Phelps gets wet in the pool You know, I'm saying like of course you're gonna get wet So in football what you're talking about these giant behemoths running each other's not healthy. Yeah, like no shit I didn't need we do that 50 years ago. Yeah, I don't need dr. Anderson. Tell me how bad is for your brain We kind of knew it like your one's like what like come on. So with my son Um, and I'm fortunate enough where I've been around at such a high level and it was my life for so long I've seen so many other players if he has a gift I'm gonna let him run with it. If you're just fucking average Joe blow. Let's find something else to do my man This ain't for you. We're gonna have to I'm gonna take you out. We're gonna focus on something else I struggle with that too Because like I went through football and had the same kind of a thing where I realized I wasn't good enough Like I wasn't gonna go anywhere with it and like should should my son go through this and get beat up And go through that same process, you know, but it's like I learned so many things from being on a team And going through those struggles and contributing high school then college. Yo, where'd you play college? I had trinity. Okay. Yeah, so it's not like big is like NAIA. Yeah. Yeah Uh, see high school is a little high school. Yeah, do your thing. It's high school for god's sake Yeah, but it's but now when you get to college if you're not getting scouted by anyone You're just gonna walk on or something like that. I don't know man Yeah, I would say focus on your education because Especially that level guys are hitting too. They're hitting and it's also football You're gonna major in football. So I was a double major in business sociology I majored in football though, man That you if you're playing a major division one school, I don't give a fuck what they tell you It's the most corrupt business in the world. It a job. It you're working overtime in my life It's non-stop big time football. They don't care about anything else So if my again, if my son doesn't have the gift, dude Go to go to Stanford go something else and focus on your education because I guarantee that's gonna pay off down the road Dude, can you tell us not can you talk about that a little bit? I had a buddy that played for chico during the world series years for them and he was like it was school wasn't even school He's like literally and everything was free in town. You didn't have to go to class ever Coach would sit down and literally pass out your grades back to me. I I remember had a Two stories for you guys. Uh, I remember when I first got to campus. I had this guy He was from Louisiana actually played for the Buffalo Bills phenomenal player captain our team and um I got to school and I didn't realize how bad it was And you know, he got in for you know, who knows how and we're we're going over something He goes hey job. How do you spell chair? I started I went yeah, I can you imagine and he's dead seriously. He's like for reals motherfucker. I'm like, oh ch a i r okay He got his degree behind me four years later, which I was like, are you shitting me? But um, wow to that point where the privilege in playing division one I remember we had a The way it works is when you sit down with your athletic advisor They give you classes where they know the teachers are going to be football friendly and they're they're gonna They're gonna know your schedule and they're actually support the program So this one class and it was the worst because I'm like, no, I don't need the dumbass classes Like please give me an education. Oh you had to ask for it. Oh my god. No, that's why I double major So I'm like, this is so easy man. Let me do this. Let me do this So they would give us the football friendly teachers So they gave us this teacher and it's me and six guys and we have a huge game coming up And uh, he goes he gives out the test And then he goes, oh you guys go into this room and all the students so we go into this one room It's me and six other guys all football players All football players and all them are studs and he just puts down one test and goes You guys just talk about amongst yourself I'll take one test and well these guys, you know, didn't do their homework in the least bit So they're all staring at me. So I'd go, uh, A, B, or C I think I think we had a C Like what the fuck man? Hey, fuck you guys man You got an F a C I just brought you up You assholes What do you care? Wow, that's that crazy. Oh, and you know, that's it. You know, she caught her out and we were good But we're not like uh, florist state or alabama. Right, right That's why my respect for stanford who has they keep the academic at such a high standard get they still ball out Yeah, you know i'm saying so to me that's so impressive, right, right like my son's not going to Ohio state or alabama Get the fuck out of here U. S. You need your UCLA something man. Oh, wow, that's crazy. It was a bomber though, too I think you get your degree, you know, and some people are like when she get a degree get a job That degree is a paper degree man. That guy didn't know shit. This guy can't spell chair for god's sake He can't smell chair And he has the same degree as me the fuck you think he's gonna do in life That's nuts man. It's a bummer. Wow. That's crazy. Wow. What's the most challenging thing about being a dad? um Man, that's a great question. Just not fucking up. You want to make sure you're doing the right thing, you know Um, my my girl she's she's latin. She's super Uh strict on them and I and I'm not I think are you the pushover? Yeah big time I think when it comes to sports and academics, I'll be the strict one But when it comes to life, no, oh my god. Yeah, I'm the biggest pushover ever with them. Um So yeah, I think it's just not fucking up make sure you know because you don't want to raise a loser Can there be anything worse? Like he's that guy like he's that guy with the with the private account on instagram talking shit the famous people That's him. That's my son. That'd be the fucking worst just the egg avatar Sometimes I'll get trolls on the internet instagram like that and it'd be a picture with their kid And it's very rare. I see to respond to but if I see a kid I will respond to dm them go bro. Saw your comment. You're a dad Imagine when your son's 15 tell your son that you hated on someone more successfully for what for what man, right? You're fucking up do better as a person as a father and usually they respond like oh Shit, you're right man. This is embarrassing. I'm like, yeah, it is man That's what that's what would scare me about being a parent right now Is thinking about social media in the future because I think social media is just fucking It's a blessing and a curse right right if you if you're using it for business It could be a huge blessing, but most people are consuming it right and Well, it's shaping the minds of it's especially if you have a girl if you have a daughter You know it's shaping the minds of young women because they see Kylie Jenner and that's not real Instagram's not real. Did you see that eight seconds out of my day? That is not real Did you see that sugar app? Did you see it's downtown sunset boulevard? Is it called sugar? It's called sugar girls sugar girls. They have an app now for girls to Have guys pay for them Like sugar daddy It might be called sugar baby. It might be called sugar baby. It was I don't know. Have you have you heard of this? I've heard of sugar babies, but so they but not the app. I've heard of like the girls that do it Have you heard of toilet girls? No. No, what's that? Well toilet girls are girl and I used to this is long ago. That sounds terrible You ready for this? So I used to date this girl who did this I couldn't understand it. She was like a model And she would leave and go to Dubai or the Middle East for like two months And then come back and just be fucking loaded gold Rolexes like chains and stuff And she goes, oh, I sell this app over there. It's only available over there. I'm like, that makes sense. Yeah, no doubt I found out a friend of her friend's like, no, she's a toilet girl I'm like, what the fuck's that? And she goes well these guys with this oil money these middle eastern dudes Have so much money. They pay these american like Instagram famous models to fly over there and they just treat them like complete shit piss on them Fuck them. Well, the homies ride a train on them. Wow, they pay him big time really handsomely like I'd be a toilet boy maybe but They hook these girls up man, and then you know, they give them whatever a hundred grand and then they go back So I've heard of this but I've never met somebody who's actually met a girl who actually yeah bummed me out I was like, ah, fuck that's not your yacht. Like she was just her on the yacht I'm like, where do you even get something like that little? Did I know that there's a bunch of fucking Saudi guys with oil money underneath just taking a shit dicks out Wow Yeah, toilet girls looking up popular here. I don't think so. I don't I mean that's court service here is popular So then what's sugar babies? What is sugar? Sugar babies is a girl who's younger who has an older guy that takes care of her But you know, it's not that they're in a relationship. He just takes pays her bills Probably puts her up in a place gives her a car But you I mean you're paying handsomely with that mouth and ass. Yeah, you know I have my old partner So I started up two of the first medical marijuana clubs in the in the bay area tight move, right? That was like six years ago one of the first ones to do that And uh, our partners in it this guy had big money from overseas and he's he was in a recycling metal And he used to have like he was married four kids, but he had like Seven girlfriends apartments car and then we had then we had a he had a he had a fucking huge bouncer Dude used to play this guy Rodney used to play in the NFL and he was like 285 jacked And he was like 47 years old But just a fucking gorilla, dude And he would and he was this nicest dude ever But he would send him over if a girl was fucking act not acting right and shit And he'd drive over there and just fucking repossess the car. He's just crazy Oh, it was gangster that then replace her than another one. You know what you know, it's about being a parent That's someone's dog. All right. There's a human being Don't fuck it up. Like you want to be a shitty parents. That's what happens. That's one of the options You're losing you're you took an L for life because your daughter's a toilet Oh, the first two things happened to me when I first became a parent first off I started driving slow, which I never did before never did before I had got tickets like crazy All of a sudden I'm driving slow and the second thing, you know When you don't have kids and you see some you know girl dressed with you know Real revealing or whatever you like. Damn. She's hobbler. I'm starting now when I see them like you have a daughter Yeah, I have a daughter now. Look at that. I'm like her poor family. Oh, I know What are you doing? Why are you dressed like that makeup on the other thing is you do? pros and cons like this company sent me a A slingshot so it's two wheels in front one way on the back And I was scooting all over town and that thing it was so much fun And I got on the pch. I'm like god. It's not that safe. Is it like this car almost came out? I'm like, there's no airbags. There's nothing and then I was having fun with there come get it like two days later I see about buying it because I don't so much fun with it And I I hit it into fourth gear and it spot out and I'm sitting on pch staring at the cars coming at me And luckily I'm you know, I'm like this Like no, no, no. I'm like thinking about ditching and running. It was a terrible idea It was like a scene of mission possible seven where the fuck you're on And so I I turn it back around and they start going slow and I was like, oh, I'm done with this man All the shit I've been through can you imagine like, you know, my son tiger like dad was in the NFL called football ufc Comedy worldwide. Oh, how do you die? I'm one of those slingshot things, you know, it's just a bummer Like that's how it finally got him like a fucking slingshot on the pch Yeah, he spun around ran over him like it's a bummer. It's like what's his face getting killed by the stingray, right? Yeah, all the dangerous shit of a bitch and it was just like for him. I was just like, oh, check out this thing Game over. He's dealt with so much dangerous shit. That was me the slingshot and I was like, come get it right now I don't want it man. Don't put that around me. It definitely changes you What do you think, you know, uh, when we started podcasting we talked about this all time that the Three years we've been doing this. I've grown more in the three years getting chance to talk to so many great people and brilliant minds Uh, have you noticed a lot of growth in yourself being able to do the same thing? Like interviewing all these hundred percent. Yeah, I think it just makes me a better person. I think, um, You know just talking to people and getting their process and and you realize that Successful people or these people whether they're celebrities or successful athletes or whatever the hell they're doing or huge producers and jet aptile Or comics everyone's the same Everyone's going through the same struggle. Everyone has the exact same problems Everyone has the same stress do talk about that because this is something I try to tell people all the time because We we fantasize about being these people that are up that are up making millions of dollars and what I've found that More often than not there's some of the most fucked up people with the deepest darkest secrets and issues Yeah, I gotta be honest though. The richest people. I know are the most depressed people. I know Gotta be on the richest guy. I know is Super depressed and it's just it's you know, I don't know what it is But you know, they all have the same problems man. Beyonce and jz have Problems just like anyone else or drake or any of these people. So Um, that's why you got to be careful, you know looking up to your heroes, you know When they say don't meet your heroes, I find that to be true But also when you meet them it also humanizes them. We're like, oh, they're just the same They're the exact fucking same man, right? There's no different They just made this choice that they did this, you know in comedy or whatever even in fighting in sports You know, you can tell why someone's successful Why they're out where that look you look at Joe Rogan and his work ethic and how relentless he is and I see how good of a father is like You know, after I get done with a tour, I'm exhausted, man And I remember roging I done with this tour and I call him to ask him how it went and he goes I'm good, man. I'm I just landed. Uh, I've been up all night, you know with my tour Uh, I'm taking my kids to disneyland. I'm like, what the fuck. Wow. And so he got right away Took his kids went to disney. I was there the whole day did a podcast later that night. He's just You know, you look at his work at least not a mistake. Yeah Joe Rogan's not a, you know, a Richard Pryor. He's so talented where you just fly by the cut His work ethic is insane, man. And people go, oh, I could do that. I don't know if he could I also The reason why he's so successful I don't know if you would be willing to sacrifice what he said I don't know if you wanted to get up like he gets up or do the research at night like he does or Be at the comedy store every single night like he is or, you know, in chris delia, everyone goes. Oh, he's goofy Yeah, chris is goofy chris is super goofy chris is also the most disciplined person I know out of even out of any athlete. I know chris is more disciplined than any athlete I know chris doesn't drink doesn't eat fast food has never done a drug in his life He does stand up every night seven days a week three times three times a night Boy every night every night. So damn. So what do you want to do? You think that's because he's goofy selling out? No You know that materially comes up with his craft that materially comes up with an instagram and he now he has a podcast and his merchandise This it's not by accident. There's no accidents accidents are people like, uh, pears hilton who have one reality show or jersey shore That's an accident. That's not talent really kardashians. That's different But you know these people who have these talents in their work ethic. I just find it mind blowing I also think I mean like in fitness, you know, we were we've been in fitness for a long time And people always come to us and said I want to lose weight or I want to and you ask them Why why why and ultimately they tell you it's because they want to be happy But really the the source of happiness is not the goal. It's the it's the it's the the path. It's the journey It's the process. Yes And so what I've seems that what it seems to be evident to me when I meet people like this is It's not so much that they're driven because they want to reach a particular goal They're driven because they're also enjoying the purpose of the process Yes, they love the process and that seems to be the secret and you know, you talked about the depressed You know super rich wealthy person, you know, there's people and well otherwise Otherwise you identify with it you identify so much with the success that if it goes away or the money fades or changes The process you can always have we were we interviewed this kid yesterday, right? 2. Something or 4 million followers on instagram and he's 28 years old or like that And uh, this kid anxiety just broke down crying in the middle of the pot. So bradley martin, you know, that is So he's a he's a youtuber something. Yeah, he's a youtuber and a fitness celebrity guy that you know got got famous through social media He got cool. He got fit. Yeah, it's very he's got a cool story and he's got a great heart really good kid, dude And nice guy, but you we you see him bro. We interview him yesterday cry baby, but nice guy Yeah He breaks down but you could see because you had it all bottled up because he identifies so much with it Because before that he didn't have any fame all of it and it just blew up like overnight All of a sudden he becomes this celebrity on social media on instagram 2 million youtube 2 million No one teaches how to deal with that. No no and he's like I mean literally you could see it in his eyes when we walked up like I was like man This is gonna be a weird interview because this really Shaky poor guy. Oh no 28 Well, not young, but he'll figure it out. Oh, yeah, you could tell that was what happened So we started talking to him and you know, it ended up being a great interview afterwards But you could just see this poor guy has attached himself so much to that He's just trying to navigate through it right come out the other side. All right. Yeah. No, he's killing I mean, that's a beast. Yeah. No, he's killing it right now with everything he's doing He could just but he's struggling with that and I think yeah, there's a difference between killing it career-wise than killing it in life Isn't oh, yeah It doesn't sound like he's killing it as far as his personal life and with himself Like I don't give a fuck if you have 30 million followers You have a good podcast like a lot of times people aren't content with their life Bro, there are most people that are at that level that we need. I feel like are very lonely Yeah, you would I mean and all these other people that are looking up thinking like oh, I just want to be there I just want to meet them like do you have no idea how lonely these motherfuckers are? Yeah, I think it just depends. I don't I don't I don't know this guy I don't know what it took for me to get there But what does it take for someone like you to break your circle? Like what do when you meet people because I'm sure everybody wants to piece you Everybody wants to talk to you at this at this point in your your career and stuff Wants to hang out wants to talk to you wants to be your friend What what attracts you to another human being they're like I would now pick up the call and talk to this guy I don't know. That's a good question. You have some good questions. I don't know. I don't know. It's rare I do that. I think You know, I meet so many people. I need you to tell people with good intentions stuff like that But if I'm home if I'm in LA, I'm a homebody man. I'm really not out I have my store at the commie or am I set at the commie store? I'll do that and I go home I'm not I'm not a big social guy outside of this I'm not I think because my work is my social life like this to me like I don't need to go out and have beers tonight or go out and get We just chopped it up for two hours. I'm all set man. I just did it So I get my check those boxes off with my work, which most people don't right. So I'm good. There's no happy I'm with the fuck with the happier. No, we're good. Yeah This is my happy hour, man. That's awesome. Looking ahead. What's what's what's what's in your future? What's your ultimate dream? Uh netflix special would be the home run, but I still won't be happy or content and then You know the show that I'm gonna start doing in january. Hopefully that's a hit and that goes well Can you talk about it at all or is that still something we got? Um, I mean, uh, I don't tell anyone. Yeah Just my millions of listeners Um, I mean it's it's something where people are gonna be like why that's out of left field A show that I'm waiting to find out if I got will be out of left field where people are like, damn I can't believe he's doing that this one's like, oh that makes sense. Okay, so I can tell you that Uh, I pitched the show with something. I was thinking of it's something I'm kind of already currently doing just based on tv now. So okay. Yeah, man What do you think about I know you're the business mind and fighting the kid What do you think about like netflix and the evolution of business? I find it very I think it's very fascinating I love it. I find it fascinating. I think it's right up our alley and I think you know when I was in australia I was talking to a promoter there and he goes, you know the the dynamics of entertainment's just changing because You know, there's bigger name guys than you but they're they're older So when they come out to australia have to buy billboards have to do radio spots He has to do on media tours and it cost me a lot of money a guy like you Who understands social media and it has a digital presence. He goes, you know how much money I spent for you to sell out all these theaters. I go. How much it goes? It's zero You did it yourself on your podcast. Yeah, you got a tribe already to establish So he goes the you know the podcasters youtubers people these young comics who understand social media Make so much more money than these older huge names because they don't get it Do you think it's gonna change this town? I was gonna say hollywood's hollywood. Let's talk about that Um, I mean less people are gonna be getting, you know, jacked off on now that that's out there, but Oh, I can't be happier. I hear these stories and I'm like, fuck you guys This guy's driving around. He's like pedophile pedophile. I was like, oh my god You know, I love seeing like this new breed of you know, people coming out through YouTube and netflix and you know kind of self-promoting building themselves up because it used to be like this good old boys club Like you couldn't get your voice out. You couldn't do anything unless you went through which I love For a guy like me, especially at fox and I might dispute with them. I'm like this ain't 1997 I'm not gonna shut me down Maybe you shut me down. I'm gonna do my own shit. I'm bringing my entire tribe with me. We're just going over here, man There's not seven channels. You're not cbs and I'm on pbs now I'm fucking out. Tell me tell me what that conversation was like that had to feel fucking good to know that walking It it so remember though when I make these decisions. I don't consult with brian I'm like, hey, yeah, we're fired from fox. All right, man. I'll talk to you later click I just I go off what I think's right and what my instinct is and I always bank on myself and brian and We always have we got to this point, you know with through the contract where I didn't want your money. Just let me do my thing and I reap the benefits from it Okay, do that then he gets big and then you know at the time I just didn't like the way the way this guy who's gone now Jamie Horowitz who he might be a good guy, but just the way he would talk down to me I'm like, oh, this isn't gonna work man. You think you're better than me I actually have some good ideas about a tv show which just got greenlit I actually have some good ideas about a tv show. You're talking to me like I'm some dumb ass You don't realize my worth or you know, I I respect you respect me So when they were talking to me like that, I was like, oh fuck you. I'm out man And I you know, I just went off my instinct. We're gonna be fine. We're gonna land on our feet We've always bet on ourselves and so I called brian told me just like, oh my I'm like bro. Just trust me and he goes. Oh, so we don't have a studio. I'm like now. Here's the thing Not exactly You remember all that shit we had in our old stewet We can't get in there and if you go in there, you can get arrested. That's true story And if you even attempt to go in there, they're gonna arrest you Like let me deal with this and I went well just let me deal with it. You just show up and he's like, all right, man And he's like, I think we should issue an apology. I'm like, you don't do shit Let me deal with this. So I built this a stew in like a week right across the street from fox sports bigger nicer faster stronger studio and You know, here we are Again, I have no animosity towards fox. I when I was working for showtime doing the mayweather migreger thing I saw them, you know a bunch of times it's all love man. Like there's no I'm not stealing anything away from them. They're not stealing anything away from me I'd work with them again. But you know, it's just hey, man, like we're we're all sharks here You know, we're all take it easy. Right. The dynamics have changed, man. That's right. Yeah I wasn't gonna jack off on a plant next to me and just be all good. You know what I'm saying I gotta think that ignites your fire though, like to have someone think like that like Underestimate you just those chips on my shoulder where I didn't get the jersey as a kid or you you treated me as a lesser than when I was in college Okay, cool, man. I've been through this way worse before but now I actually have a tribe behind me So so again, you're not gonna shut me up. You can say this and do this. That's fine This isn't your cup of tea, but I have I have all these followers with me They happen to be about 16 million of them So we're gonna go we're gonna take our ball and we're gonna go over here Now you can continue to do your thing, but nothing changes for me They have a tough time with that change, man It reminds me of like when when the Netflix went into blockbuster and blockbuster laughed him out of the room or whatever Like they have a tough time realizing like the power has changed It really has changed and you have it and they they threw their shots, you know, they went You know what in this before he got fired for sexual harassment. He came out with this statement goes You know, we're not gonna let another fire in the kid happen at fox We're gonna invest we're gonna invest in our a-list talent like shannon sharp and skip bayless. All right, motherfucker Dude tights are jammed there. That's crazy. Someone that level did not see that. I feel like it's ego It's all ego dude I was down to work and you know with this tv show that brian and I were pitching You know, he had his ideas and they were sinking ship. They still are right now They're trying to figure out they've lost 90 percent of the digital following and content once we left So, um, they're trying to figure out he's not there anymore and the the new heads over there are great And I'm cool with everybody you'll see tonight. I have no animosity. I help them out however I can a hashtag shows bigger than all there's but the thing is You know, they're trying to dominating. Yeah, so they'll figure it out man You know, they just there's this old school mentality this dinosaur mentality. Yeah, but you're not gonna lash No, it's changing. You just nothing you do now. I think it's gonna completely flip I think uh, I mean you see the commercials now for Netflix The original series coming on tv now. Yeah, like it looks just like movies. Yeah That's what I mean. So my agent though is the one who represents The director of that and he told me about and he showed me the Trailer before it's coming out. I'm like, dude, this is game changer. He's like, yeah, they signed will smith the tv deal Holy fuck Because I don't want to go to the movie theaters, you know people getting shot up in that bitch We were talking i'm trying to chill at home and watch the comfort of your house That's what's gonna happen when you want to watch it right away. Will Smith. I love will smith Yeah Marco stranger things like your movie theater. Yeah The only way I see movie theaters surviving is that they're and you see kind of some of them doing it is changing the experience Right, where if like if we we give the point where virtual reality and you feel like you're a part of the movie and they're otherwise I think Netflix puts it all down, dude They're shitting on them But there's those ones like the the i-picks theater. Have you guys been to that one up here off wilshire? I think it's wilshire. It's the it's just yeah, it's a recliner and then they have they have to do that They have great food like world-class food and drinks bar upstairs, but you know, you're looking at a $200 night probably $100 a person Yeah, yeah, really it's like, you know, you can get a steak dinner. It's an experience I'd rather just stay at home Especially when you have kids I take my kids in the movies. It's like 70 bucks each time we go to goddamn movies Yeah, that's I could rather be at home. Have you taken your kid to disneyland yet? Oh Bro, that's so expensive. Oh, it's a fortune. I took my kid for the first time This is like a year ago. He's way too young waste of time, but I call my dad and because he used to take me when I was a kid when I'm coming in the summer is me and my brother I'm like, hey How much was it when he used to take us and I told him the total he's like definitely not that much It wasn't cheap but definitely not that much like just The parking the the mickey mouse airs and by the time we bought the got into the goddamn park I was like, holy was it seven hundred dollars? But you know what you gotta give them and this is what I'll give disney for this my sister So my sister uh turned 30 let uh five years ago and for her 30th birthday So whatever you want to do, let's do whatever you want to do for your 30th and she goes I want to go to disneyland like you go to the fucking disneyland. You're 30. Why don't we do that? And she's uh the 31st of december so new year's eve and i'm like, okay So we set up and it was a fucking fortune to go there But I tell you what I hadn't been there since I was a kid It's worth it As soon as I pulled up the first person that like bringing in the parking lot fucking comes around my car That's magic pulls up pulls out the map and you're gonna go here Oh, it was every person that I ran into that had a uniform or a name tag on greeted me And red carpet. There's a reason why they're killing it. Dude. You've been a not sparing farm It will fuck you it will fuck your year up my girl, you know, she's from a rougher party She's like, I love not spending let's go there. I'm like, I've never been there I knew immediately when we pulled it. I'm like, is that fucking charlie brown? Yeah I'm like, how curt is charlie brown? What is going on here? Snoopy I was like, what the fuck? What is snoopy doing here? You're like, we have lash on the fucking It was the biggest bummer man. The rides were shitty. The food was awful. It was like 13 dollars to get in I was like, what is going on here? Dude, I took my daughter Disneyland is the shit when it comes to that. We were there. I'll never forget watching someone Spill popcorn kids are walking parents. It's crazier. Where and this and the kid turns and the popcorn goes everywhere It was crying. No, no, no 15 seconds. Yeah, clean it up. Boom. So it's crazy. It's so big My only problem at Disneyland is God bless them. Hopefully, you know, I can Not be so conceited and be fat when I'm older, but why so everyone's so huge huge. Have you been to disney world? If that's what America looks like, bro, I went to disney world They're little traffic jams from the freaking what do they call larks or the the rascals, you know, little scooters Oh, yeah, yeah, there were traffic jams. That's how many of them were there And I think it's even worse there because you got the south, you know people from the south going there Yeah, it's so strange, man. It's insane. They're so out of shape. Yeah, it's bad That's us as americans right now, man. It's a bummer. It's getting it's a lot of what motivated mind pump I mean we you look at with all the the science the information and knowledge we have but yet Diabetes is on the rise all your autoimmune is on the rise like it's a lot It's a lot. We know more but yet we're getting well It's a lot more than just we're eating too much and not moving enough. That's the problem Like that's that's that's part of the problem discipline issue But it's also the way that society is structured Like I don't think humans are meant to be in a cubicle nine to five and not have to electric lights on No, I don't think that's normal. That's that's freaking engineered and process Yeah, but that's quick because we don't have time to eat good food Or we don't have time to repair the good food or the good food is more expensive But I don't think humans were put on this earth to be designed to sit down for that long And focus on some job. They don't give a fuck about like that's not living So when you tell them, oh eat ride exercise like you fucking try, man I got three kids at home. I I've been up since 6 a.m. Got them ready for school Then I got to be at work by 9. I'm there all goddamn day Then I got to feed them. So it's a tough dynamic You know what the craze is in the silicon valley where we're at is the these guys don't even eat They have that the big craze is like a soilant. Soilant. Have you heard of this? It's just a fucking meal replacement powder and the the selling point is you don't need to leave your desk Just eat this and you don't need any food. Just drink this it has everything you need to never leave your desk. Is it delicious? No, no I don't know. I don't know, but if it was delicious, I would love that But all day nothing else. That's a bomber, man. You're basically turning into almost robots. That's wally. Have you seen it? It's like wally. Yeah, yeah God damn that's silly and these guys are putting up with it. Well, that's why, you know, apple tried the same shit That's why people started committing suicide jumping off the goddamn building You know apple headquarters in china. They have nets. Yeah, there's a big problem Enjoy your iphone motherfucker because those people paid the price for it. Yeah Yeah, they put net so many people were like Fuck this You're a great book to read irresistible and they talk about uh, you know, all these guys that created all this tech They don't even let their kids use any of it because they know how bad it is for them They know how addictive they know they they draw a great book to read And I think every parent should read it. What's called irresistible adam atler and it gets it it gets into that How old is your kid? He's uh, 21 months 21 months. He you know, he's already on the He'll grab my phone, but he just likes buttons Just wait till they get a little older man. He is so addicting But you know, he has a ipad where if we go to lunch, something he'll watch his favorite movie or something like that But I know like I have a problem like so on the weekends if I'm not working I leave my phone upstairs where I can't touch it. I can't see it But if I'm around it, I can acknowledge I'm addicted to it All right, like even sitting here. I'm a little yeah shaky with the sweat It's like, what's going on? What's going on? And I know if I have that problem and I consider myself a disciplined dude Other people are We didn't grow up with it, right? Holdries 34. Yeah, so we didn't grow up with it. Our kids this they're born into it You know, I mean it's a bummer though because every day when I go to the gym I drive by Santa Monica high school and the kids are out there waiting for the bus They're just getting dropped off All kids have their backpack now one kid is talking to each other All like this. I'm like god, you guys are missing out Dude, you know, right and right now we're seeing a rise in back pain in children We never had chronic back pain in children and it's the posture. It's completely hunched over the entire time I wonder how we're gonna fix that. Well, it's what's gonna happen is the pendulums And that's why I say read this book because what we've only had 10 years Of facebook and all this shit really right or 10 or 12 whatever they're on right now It's hasn't been that long for us to really have a lot of studies. I know what's really gonna happen Yeah, like what's happening and what's coming out is they're saying the the addictive properties Are just as bad as heroin and cocaine and things like that Dopamine it really gets likes or attacks and what's different is if you're a dope addict And I know you you you show that you see that you're ashamed of that But no one's ashamed to pick their phone up. No one's ashamed to to use social media You're not ashamed of that in fact It's encouraged because you can build a business off of it So that's a scary driving and texting is the biggest issue because now they're saying I speaking to cop the other day He's saying he sees more wrecks and deaths from text and driving and drinking and driving now. Wow Think of any people text and drive. It makes sense. I'm a responsible fucking dude. I text and drive sometimes I'm guilty of that for sure. Oh everybody is dude. That's what that's the problem. Yeah, that and so That's how addicting it is. You know it. You know that this I know it's bad Dude, I was driving uh, I'll fear off pacific in venice here and I'm driving I'm going three miles an hour so relax But I'm going and I'm looking and this old dude in like an old school chevelle pulls up and he goes Hey, get the fuck off your phone You can't say nothing back What in my instinct was like what but I I literally was like goddamn. You're right, man My bad, bro. He's like, it's all right, but I was like, you're so right What am I doing, man? And I'll see girls taxing makeup just driving. I'm like, holy fuck We're going 80. Like what are you doing? It's crazy, man. Yeah, it is So it's it's swinging this way and it's I think it's a matter of time before it has to come back the other direction It's got to be not cool anymore. It's like cigarettes Like it used to be cool to smoke cigarettes and now if you smoke cigarettes, you look forever, bro It did that's just caring part. This might take a while to get more of a mass audience I I think what you're gonna have to I don't know about people being dicked at home That's to each its own that's gonna be a problem They got to solve but as far as taxing and driving you're not to have the new cars the technology doesn't allow you You can do emergency calls, but that's it. There should be no Taxing it when you get in the phone. It should shut it off no matter what well We get freedom of speech freedom will no fuck that no fuck that no no no car should shut it off Yeah, we're driving cars for that much longer. That's the race right now the google I mean the rate we're gonna be dead when there's flying cars and that but I mean I don't want to be in a world where I can't drive my car like I love driving Well, so the reason why people Tesla's are but this is what when you talk to people like uh Like Tom bill you remember when we inter interviewed him like he doesn't drive anywhere He ubers everything and it's because so he can work to stop just nonsense. What's he do and he's oh, he's an impact theory He started um, he was one of the founders of a quest nutrition. Yeah. Yeah for sure relax. Yeah. Oh you make protein bars relax You don't need to text and have an uber driver. You're making keto friendly protein powder relax The guy solving aids Not solving malaria Fucking protein bars. That's what's happening drive your car. That's what's happening. I like to drive I do too. I'm a car guy. I'm a fucking car guy. We're 34 plus years old But I also don't want to uber driver. Yeah, see the people the younger generation. I can't wait to not have All right, kids are like 20 or 22 years old like some of these kids are 20 uber everywhere No license. Yeah, I got a little brother. It's fucking 22 does have a license. I don't want to get it I would feel like a loser. Yeah, you're telling me the dynamics are you don't want freedom Well, they can't have freedom through uber now. It's different. It's very different now kids don't want to get their licenses anymore Uh, it's it's we're one or two generations away from car ownership being a thing of the past the insurance business like Big time big time guys like you guys like you and I who want a hot rod and our cool cars around But we'll get laughed at they'll be like it'll be like someone riding a horse Yes, yes, you like horses. Is it like people are riding your horse? Give a fuck. I'm gonna stay on it Just like just like if skinny jeans gonna stop fucking riding this out, man I'm riding my horse like a fanny pack in the 80s. Fuck you guys, man. I like it. I don't care Well, good deal, man. Oh, dude, you know what we have we're gonna have to do this again for sure, man 100% yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you remember up in the Bay Area, we got a whole media facility Let's do it around your show because we're that's literally around the corner Let's do it. Let me figure out when it is and yeah, we have a whole like like pod get we have a whole studio media facility So anytime we're gonna come heckle the fuck. Yeah. Oh, yeah Real funny, I love it, man. Well, I appreciate you guys. Hey, man. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, no Appreciate it. Thanks to train up for hammering them. Yeah, dude that girl shout out to Katrina. Yeah, she's a super beast I'll try and steal her much appreciate it. Yeah, thank you guys, man All right, check it out. Go to youtube check out mind pump tv We post a new video every single day. 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