 Hey everyone, hello Margaret Felix the Kevin Awesome to be here with you. Thank you. Thank you Pumped We were actually just having a great Conversational point and I would love for V to continue on it Okay, I don't know if you mean the part about the usefulness of dancing duality Correct that part the opponent Integration in the evolution of life in incarnation the utility of duality And juxtaposing that with abiding in I am And since the subject of this video Has been set as the balance of feminine divine with masculine divine It's very much in line with the consideration of duality one of the expression of duality being feminine as the backdrop to masculine and vice versa and And what I was sharing in the studio before we went live was The introspection I went through last night trying to find an imbalance within my being in order to expose it and Purify it but the more I searched Every shadow of impurity I could imagine or Start to believe I was finding was dissipating as I tried to formulate it and But I still managed to reach a foundational solidity Which even though it was not entirely I am Still felt balanced as well. It's still felt in fact imbalanced But harmoniously imbalanced like a dance. What is a dance? It's a person or persons Falling it's a constant imbalance Captured by another in balance by another in balance. This is what is a dance Perfect balance is not a dance. It's immobility a dance is In balance, but it's harmonious imbalance. The only difference is whether you find beauty and joy and Satisfaction and fulfillment and expression of your truth in that dance or not And then it becomes a dance If it has that quality Or it it is a falling on imbalance or stumbling if you don't find the harmony and the beauty and the coherence with your being in that dance and It's difficult enough to dance on your own, but it's very enjoyable It's Amazing I even Find it more nourishing and More restful then silent meditation sometimes and I have not given up on the hope of That same level of quality of harmony and beauty and intimacy In a dance with other reflections of the one infinite being So this is where I landed last night and where it ties in with to the subject is that the most beautiful Multidance dance I can imagine Has to be The bipolar the the bipolar dance between one masculine divine interpretation and one feminine divine interpretation But to be honest in this incarnation I have Come very close to it. I have even experienced it on very short Instances And I have not given up on experiencing it more fully and I'm I'm I'm not interested in giving it up before I have exhausted the The The delving and the basking into that energy and vibration for a little bit At least to my satisfaction That's what I would contribute. Thank you. I have a feeling that Kevin may have some thoughts about what you just said especially with his really strong resonance with Balancing distortions with catalysts like is taught in the law of one and what V was just referencing Yeah, so what came true was something about the low one and Our creation is explained there so at first there is a infinity and this infinity then Becoming aware of itself and when it become aware of itself is a intelligent infinity and for a long time I tried to Find the references of the universal masculine and the universal feminine in the low one But I didn't find anything like that because probably that and The channel Laura didn't use disturb but to me seems that the universal masculine and the universal feminine is actually the intelligent infinity and This union creates or creation their relationship is the reason of why we are here and So I agree with the dancer that can happen with the other reflections and the dance of you are you do He's a dance that can be allowed with no distortion When we rest more and more into the space Yeah, I really like view what you said about Harmonious imbalances Because it seems to me that it's a core part of the process of expansion to Realize or to discover that some imbalance that was perceived on some level At some point we can gain a broader point of view Where this imbalance is actually included in a greater harmony and So I feel that in this way the dance actually grows and expands It's not like a static dance between two dancers. It's like the movement of the dancer grows and Compasses more and more of the totality and And it very much feels like it's it's like putting some salt in your food this this Invalence of distortion it actually reveals more of the the flavors More of the beauty more of the harmony like it creates some contrast it creates some some depths to the experience A great df thoughts on this I'm sorry Do you have thoughts on this? Yes? Yes, I do. I actually um on my beginner level, I guess I have experienced the I guess on my on my quest to wholeness. I have experienced the catalyst that I guess triggered me to try to become whole and part of that was I guess including that a masculine into the feminine in a way and trying to balance the both Into becoming the the whole person or the whole Person that I thought that I was becoming but Little did I know that it wasn't about being a person And exactly like he said that the dance of of those both energies and and that You know that feminists Feminine and masculine energies just dancing around and trying to you know Trying to to to make this wholeness Work out so So I see those energies on both I guess on the on the On the universe level and on the micro universe that the inside of me Which is really one and the same. We all know that level how it all affects How it all affects the world and and Are I guess our own individual souls And how it's really when you really go down to to it on the very very intimate level It really is one and the same Like when I really thought about it or didn't think about it like really escape the thought process I didn't see the difference between that it really is one But you kind of have to go through the process. It's like The signposts to get to that point eventually I don't know if if you follow my train train of thoughts. It's really still 3 a.m Where I am, but It's not a train of thoughts. It's the observation There's no Thought in it. It's just Describing what you see there's a minimum level of thought necessary for language and that's it If you are going to talk about it at all Then yes You have to involve a little bit of thinking To put it into language But I think we all agree that we could easily replace feminine and masculine with dark and light or any other expression of duality And I assume Most of us or all of us on this panel all of us have had the experience of turning inside out and outside in and finding out our true nature and then Because we are still here We it means we chose To still look at the universe from the inside out point of view because if we I only assume that if one chooses to maintain the outside in point of view I'm not very sure if our incarnation would still appear to others So if there would still be others for it to appear to So the fact that we are on this panel is that we for some reason it might be different from each one of us We chose to maintain And sustain or attach to The point of view from inside out Rather than outside in or vice versa. You can look at it any way you like Or from the feminine to the masculine or vice versa or from the light to the dark or vice versa And that was the conclusion of my introspection last night is that I saw that I'm still interested in that dance I want to refine it perfect it and Mess more eyes myself and the universe which is myself. I want to mesmerize myself in a In an even more expansive harmonious An intimate dance And one of the ways I like to visualize the movements before I do them when I dance or when I Dance life or when I dance on music it begins with the visualization of what movement is most Coherent and expressive of the vibration of the music I hear and I try to make my body Just be an extension a reverberation Of the vibration of the music And then Suddenly I'm not there anymore then I lose track because I'm not a dancer And there's no music anymore It's There's only a dance happening and whenever That state is entered beat dancing or sometime Exchanging with somebody or with people or or sometime just Expanding into an observation Yes, there's nothing exists anymore then whatever is happening. There's only a happening And that that is intimacy. That's what I call intimacy. It's when Into me I see and I am That I am that being whatever I'm doing Whatever is happening in fact because there's no more doer so And there's less and less possibility of putting it into words by the way, there might be a copyright on this into me I see for intimacy because this is something that was picked by uh, Vincent in a movie called with Mike Myers called The Guru or something like that It was a hilarious and by the way, it was deeper than it than it claimed to be But uh, it's a it's a It's incredible how when You are not there anymore life happens and you suddenly discover the true Hidden It's not hidden. It's in plain sight the true meaning of of words that the intended meaning of words appear to you in that intimacy just like the true purpose of your skin Is discovered in the arms of your beloved Beautiful Yeah, and what came through Yeah, as you said, this is a really a dance that has to be allowed because If I'm here in this moment Touched To my point of view. I cannot allow this dance to happen The intelligent energy Cannot flow through me Maybe you're at a party and And uh, you're scanning the environment and you're reading all at uh, you cannot dance. You're stuck But in the moment in which you let go in the moment in which you don't care In the moment in which you realize more of who I am Suddenly you dance and then everybody dance around you and uh It is beautiful It is beautiful. Yeah, and uh, so In that tai chi in tai chi one when you play with the partner to do the three show Yeah, exactly. That's a good example of uh, when somebody Is really into that vibe Then with time is going to influence all the environment because it's going to give permission to all the people to unfreeza and uh to just be I love this one. It's such a good example. Yeah The first one is the catalyst unlocking the will of the other ones to play Yeah, the first one is not there Is still there but himself slowly The dance is what happens when the dance right That's awesome Yeah In the dance, I noticed that Um, I'm not completely new to this concept either and in in shamanism There is such thing as becoming the hollow bomb So the spirit flows through you you are just the conduit for it and for me There is this experience of you Don't even exist as the bomb really there's like you you kind of disappear from safety when you're When you just relax, but it's when you disappear that you are the most Probably present it is exactly you got it It is so awesome. Yeah, but to a large extent duality is just The tension between Who between what you are and who you think you are? And so the dance is really it's really the reconciliation because it's the We could replace dance by making love or by exchanging Any anything right It's really about the reconciliation of what you are with who you think you are and when you allow those two to make love To to to get in union You are finally whole you are finally whole as you were always but without the this withholding of that belief of not being of being separate And you know, even in the in the christian bible Jesus was proponent was Asking people to to enter into the nuptial chamber the nuptial chamber And he was he mentioned to to his disciples when they were criticizing whether Mary Magdalene should be part of the group or not and he said Don't worry. I will make her male so that she can enter the kingdom like And of course in the culture of the time he Or at least was not reported. I doubt he didn't say also the reverse that as a male You have to make yourself female to enter the kingdom and as a female you have to make yourself male But he's not talking about bisexuality here. He's just talking of those two fundamental principles of masculinity feminity dark and light You are and who you think you are All of that allowing you to accept each other And to merge and be union and immunity And finally be one And then when you are Nobody when you're really Disappearing when your edges between you and everything else dissolve Everything else dissolves. It's like It's just like magic Then everything else is you and then everybody else is you But it's still It's still yeah, you see Reachable by just a little bit of focus But anytime the defocus you are all that is Anytime you focus you can choose any piece you want to separate and then you can zoom out or defocus and be all zoom in be the zoom in more be Vincent zoom in even more and be lost in hunger or in greed or in joy or in whatever narrow expression of the narrowest identity that you want And you relax and you are again all that is And you focus on compact and you are again Kevin or malgo or felix Alem and you relax a bit you are now at last or Whatever name you choose for a slightly higher being And then you relax again and you are another you can give yourself another name as a wider consciousness and you relax even more and you are As far as you can tell all that is but More and more in my experience. I feel that even our most extreme enlightenment experience or awakening experience or satori is still It still has a circumference. It still has a certain radius Of limitation of consciousness. So I don't think there is ever going to be an end to our capacity to be More of all that is and all that is not and whatever we can't even conceive of and and And yeah, that's there's still room There's still room for room Yeah, I know because that like every time I think oh, this can't possibly get any better and then the next day Oh something new right And here's the another mountain to find It's really awesome This is a great gift of The creation of limitation Is that it it allows for infinite expansion And we can create it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry go ahead Yeah, so in this way it finds also this complementary aspect Of the other denser so from the limited perspective you find the infinite And vice versa the the infinite then also includes the finite Yeah, this is such a wonderful Conversation I just read something From the low one info And I will just read uh, yeah So the part that touched me was The mind body spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality This just brought the realization that actually everything is dancing right now All of this vibration from which right is made of it's dancing right now At a certain frequency And that the more we raise our frequency the more we dive deep into The oneness that we all are the more this all reality dance on a faster rate on a faster rate on a faster rate Emitting the more of a beautiful sound or from beautiful song So the dance is happening spontaneously and the song along with it. Yeah And the truth is the the music is still a mystery to me but the the understanding of the dance of the universe is very It's very concrete very It's my experience it is um, I discovered it A few years ago Well, quite a few years ago when I was asked, you know, you socially you always asked, what do you do? And uh, it's so uninteresting But the person asking me the question that they Came from a place of Of honesty and authenticity. So I wanted to give him a honest and true answer Even though I found it a boring question in nature But I I answered I'm a dancer And uh And it it was the more honest and true answer I felt I could give even though I know what he was expecting is I'm an engineer or I'm an entrepreneur I am in the energy or whatever And the guy actually uh, because he saw also that I was being honest He actually thought that I may have I may have I may be a retired dancer that got a bit Something like that But it was an attempt at answering honestly and I'm it made it clear to me that at least to this Point from this point of view life is a dance and when I dive into that and I try to understand okay then I can totally understand that I am the dancer I am the dance. I am the scenery. I am everything the the choreographer the spectator the scene the dancer The only thing I'm not sure is if I am the music And so I think in that analogy, which is just an analogy anyway, but I think it's deep And for some reason I can very easily see that I am all of the components of the dance, but I am not the music The music is still coming from a more an even more mysterious place than all that is Is the is the vibration that creates the sound, you know, so In space, there is no music In vacuum, there's no music. It's the only Well, you can create it by doing but for most of human beings the experience of sound is through the vibration of the air who that reverberates in your eardrums and you have some hair and eardrums that translate that into an intelligible vibration However, you don't need to go through air. You can go through any other matter like there are now many headphones which are just touching your skull and the vibration goes directly through your skull without doing without using the eardrums Also, the human civilization is not located in space as located on this habitable rock Hello, this is also mysterious because um This I I saw it. I know it because for a few years I I thought basically that we are Just consciousness going through the cord of a harp the harp being the chords of the harp being tied to earth at one end and tied to Whichever, whatever is the foundation of heaven at the other end, right? And that then you can decide to shift your yourself your consciousness your finger on that chord to get different vibrations of and That's what I thought until I realized that the anchor point at the core of earth and the anchor point At the foundation of heaven is one and it's a single point And that that the chord is is is tensed between The same point and in a vortex like constant Uh It becomes very difficult to put in words, but I think we all Have some experience to connect that to Can we play with the idea of why The music would be excluded From the dance not excluded. It's just mysterious While I could clearly see I am every Thing of the dance I could not Experientially find within myself the music while it is there Uh, or is it or is it Like this guy dancing in the field that we watched just before was their music Was there or is it absolute silence? Maybe not yet Then maybe you'll get a catalyst that will make you realize that you are music Because you are everything there is that's also The the the conclusion that is that even the perception of a dance Is just the visualization Of music Maybe the closer you get to the black Maybe the closer you get to the black hole the More you disappear and the music disappears I think you mean closer What do we mean by closer the more that you swim In the most downstream contracted energy of the person conditioning the more you can clearly in a sense See the massive Slaps in the face of catalysts That come as sledgehammer swings and the more that you just abide in The very source of infinite possibility That gives rise to all phenomena the more it's just just complete silence Possibly If you are going to make a juxtaposition between a here and a there that would be a way that Yeah intelligibly and actually Just speaking with you guys I can see That a very plausible explanation for my inability To identify with the music while I could identify with the dancer the dance the choreographer the scenery everything is that all these are Separate concepts of the one and single thing that exists which is the music or Or the silence whichever way you want to call it because Also from kevin. Yep So this is something that I saw also in our own opponent And by the way the question that actually here was asking something regarding the music And uh, so what it seems is that uh, the more We balance each of our energy center the more we actually become the perfect instrument For the creator that we are so that we may actually Create our own music And so we can see these even in musical artists Every every singer has its own particular taste Every singer has its own uniqueness Spark of the creator that is she is So the more that the singer is in tune The more that the music that we come through we come from an inspired place that we'll be able to touch a lot of people and it seems to me that music or also singing is a good analogy because a beautiful singer is not um Doesn't make like a pure sound like maybe uh, you could generate on a computer That you could say like this is really a pure sound like a pure Um, I just did the most precise oscillations Yeah So in in a in a singer or in a beautiful instrument also you have many different vibrations that go together and when it's beautiful there is this harmony that that ties all this frequency together And there is a very strong taste a C minor from a violin or from a trumpet or from any other instrument is extremely different from each other even though technically It's supposed to be the same Frequency that we can taste the difference. We can smell the difference we can feel it we can Resonate differently with the same frequency depending on which instrument sends it and this is this is really the the most Attractive and beautiful experience in life is to Taste that but it's also what is a little bit Indigestible sometimes when We we put too much salt in our And and sometimes we even put msg So, you know, it's funny because that also reminded me of what you said the phoenix about the salt It reminded me of one or other citation from Jesus in the christian bible That he refers to those To his disciples and so those who do the union The with the father in the nuptial chamber so within themselves He refers to them as the salt of the empires And he warns that you have to To keep your saltiness So you are pleased Because what and is even mentioned what is salt without saltiness Is just dust to be trampled on so your Your unity is truth that is the And that is the the taste that is your taste is your your unique Taste of the same vibration of truth so And that's what we can Exchange does it's probably the only thing we can exchange It's our imbalance our harmonious imbalances and and we can all work like like a chorus, you know, like a A group of people singing together If they are inexperienced It would be a bit dissonant but if If they are very professional and even when they are very Strong, they need a little bit of adaptation to to a tune You know to to adjust ever so slightly their their tune to To the rest of the group and to the partition So I think in this nls farm I would Just coming to me that it would be a very good analogy to compares to to the choir In the church in a way So if we are going to sing that beautiful inspiring chorus song That will Inspire others to join in And or dance or You know, in fact, it's a melt. It's a it's more than a choir. It's a it's a multi Faceted and multi media Show it's You know, I would not be surprised if we realize that Even before the ultimate there is a a density where Trillions of beings of seven eight nine density are actually gathered in in a huge amphitheater And are waiting for the show to begin now the show where where 7.8 billion humans plus trillions of other life forms on this planet are going to Finally do this beautiful musical called Life on Gaia And so each one of us has his own music song dance To contribute to that incredible multi-dimensional show So it would be a seven or eight. Let's say, okay five six dimension and five six density show of Like a very multi-dimensional Musical show on Broadway that at the cosmic scale With trillions and trillions of other beings saying, okay, what are they going to do? Okay? How is going to be? Wow my god. Look at this. Look at this acrobat Oh, listen to that song Oh, wow This guy's so daring. Oh, look this guy's so or that lady. So I'm just look at how those two are dancing, you know, like it's it's an unfathomable richness of expression in multi dimensions which could be a very satisfying Event even at the cosmic level even at The six seventh or whatever density we cannot really understand Why not V it sounds Awesome, but here is my problem with it I mean, I lost all preference to like good or bad every like no judge in us. Everything is like really awesome, right? Yeah in the show so but in that in that show What if this show is like really out of tune? And nobody's gonna know Well, what is what is part of tune is part of the show? and What if the show also includes comedy It also includes drama. It also includes tragedy. It also includes love Story. It also includes even boredom Everything is there Whatever you like is there it's Not graspable By the characters in the show, but as the actors we understand it or as or maybe as a the actor To draw attention to the no disharmony Yeah, it's funny the fact that uh, this is raw saying from uh, six density. There is no design but For many of us in Interdensity it seems that there is a disharmony and because In this density for us, it's relevant to have experience of the disharmony And to have experience of this particular song That is generated in each moment from our Collective's agreement but We can start to experience more freedom as we realize That actually this harmony is just a point of view So it seems that This show is just a bunch of point of views Dancing and there are so many point of views So You can see it. You can relax and you can watch They show from the six density from our highest self experience From this IM state where all point of views are More and more one so There is a less and less of An attachment. There may be a preference in this density. Of course, we're going to have a And this is just a word but we're going to have a taste for something Yeah, I would prefer to have a better nice experience Than a bad experience But even if I'm going to have experience of a bad experience I'm going to feel a little bit bad, but then I can realize okay. There is no disharmony What is fine all is well. Yeah, that also the environment can shift It's like a chinese shadow show, you know roof roof roof Oh, no, don't bite me. Don't bite me I Also love that picture that was shared Uh, I think it was by ulam of that child Having his head crushed by the boot of an adult Yeah, and then out and you see the child is himself holding the boot on his face and laughing And I found it extremely, uh, I find this very Very Happy very it's this is a great play. This is so true This is what happens. Actually, this is probably one of the most Strong memetic representations of Simplified spirituality and the more that we boil down Spirituality into memes like this the faster we can catalyze awakening in the third density This is a core component of what we can focus on and Accelerate the awakening this way because this type of stuff is highly adored by the matrix Yeah, especially by the younger ones And you don't you cannot even Know How many people will be affected positively? Uh by some of these Memes, they are they are very powerful Yeah, here's another one since we're already at it just to give you guys another good example I know exactly where it came from I know Yep, so there's this one And then there's another recent one that emerged that is also really strong I haven't posted it on on my account yet, but one of my one of my friends did that's really strong There's this one, which is really good. You just posted this one Seeking enlightenment inquire with it. Where's the door? Door again So there's that one I adore it Shout out Shiva stand. We love you. It was just on the show. And then here's the other one Girlfriend promise me to be normal around my parents this time me. Okay. I promise her dad So what do you do for fun me? What do you mean by you? Yeah This is the So guys, let me tell you a little story about how I lost the first time I Got my awakening there is continuously based on my profound suffering I just surrendered big time like with every cell of my body Surrender to God. I'm like just take me out of this earth, right? And then the next morning I woke up just like exactly like a cartel, right with with the diamonds playing the music and it was just so amazing and I didn't care and lasted for about two weeks and everything was crystal clear and It was amazing and the music and I was a dancer and everything and I'm like, oh, this is nice I wonder how long this is gonna last This is how you try to put the Time on the infinite You're even lucky that it lasted two weeks It's amazing and I've been telling everybody once on This is what I am and everyone's like She's crazy. She's crazy. Yeah, but I got that's also one of the biggest problems, right? Because it is true that sometimes there are fireworks like this like incredible Yeah, but if I knew you you would have told me like just don't quit just relax Just take it, right? I didn't know any better And if it had helped if it could have helped you would have met me earlier or met Whoever was going to give you that message So it's the way it is These fireworks are both very helpful for the one experiencing it Because now you know it's true And now you will not give up Even though you will go Through frustration it takes a lot of time to realize how to to remember to re-remember To re-realize how simple it is and how accessible it is because it's there. It's it's the That's natural state, but it In practice it takes time because there's always this attachment to the fireworks And so for yourself It's quite helpful because you remember you will never forget that and you know it's real So you will not give up ever You will always Be demanding for the absolute However, when you tell that experience and that's why If you look at it, even though it's the most fundamental event in their life Most masters don't tell too much about their extraordinary Experiences because they realize how Unhelpful it's going to be to many people who will equate The fireworks to the enlightenment and they will seek that and seeking the fireworks is like seeking god Is like seeking yourself until you realize you're it it's It's not gonna happen and when and those people looking for fireworks are automatically They're deviated towards substances, you know chemical substances or any other assistance for altered states of consciousness Which can also do the trick in a way But there will always be that doubt whether it's true which you don't have when the state happened to you naturally And the truth is it's much longer to to reach the relaxation required for the state to to For you to be in the state That Benjio and everybody describes the state of not being Um If you are not using any help chemical or otherwise Or or a master a living master it takes Long time and you can give up because you you you have always a lingering doubt Okay, and then if you visualize it as something like that happening in your in your bedroom um We'll delay it because you will keep focusing and trying to get that I'll also respectfully disagree with the point slightly just by taking the angle of that if one basically takes the understanding of their attention And they take their attention and then they put these fireworks On every single Moment Every billionth of a second are fireworks just right here And if they do that process and they sort of get used to every moment being Just these eternal They can sort of become more and more awakened to This being free ineffable absolute perfection. So there are different strategies to said process of tapping into the quote now already being free ineffable Perfection and so this could be used as a strategy No, no strategy can be used Truth is a pathless land yet. There are also The the strategy is the obstacle That's the that's the the whole difficulty of this exercise is that strategy is a contraction already It's when it's when you give up. It's when you finally give up that you are ever going to find A strategy and a way to get there that you can finally relax sufficiently. That's even the whole story of the buddha It's when all his asceticism Gave no no result and he was Absolutely exhausted. That's when he gave up under the body tree gave up totally his search his life everything The relaxation was total and it happens Same thing with the osho same thing With all of us anyone who ever had a satori it was not because he it was not the the success of his strategy I don't believe that anyone achieved that with the a successful strategy However, I could be wrong because I don't know everybody yet Many of those great masters talk about the preparatory periods of their practices that then yielded them the ability to have the Insight as is taught across the traditions that through the process of concentration You still the mind more and more which then enables you to gain the insight into the perfection Yes, and no Can I can I jump in? Yes, please Please forgive me so I love you. Yes, partially in the sense that what is the meaning of giving up if you have not tried So in that sense, yes The usefulness of all the efforts and strategies They're only useful in the sense that they're not giving anything up if you have not truly Truly tried, but otherwise it's not really It's not the yield of the effort It's just that there's no meaning in relaxation and giving up if you have not tried, but please finish Yeah, actually that that was kind of the point I wanted to make that it seemed that ultimately speaking the usefulness of the strategy is to Quickens the process of exhaustion it's like is to to focus one's Uh intention and energy in a very one-pointed way To the point where it's realized that it cannot be achieved and then something that can break open And the problem is if you are aware that you are consciously adopting the strategy of exhausting yourself That's another strategy. It won't work Yeah, yeah, yeah, because in fact you have not you're not giving up. In fact, yeah, exactly On your effort to exhaust yourself to finally relax. No, you can relax now. If you are going to have a strategy, you just relax I don't know. I don't get it. There was really never any strategy for me. It was just I was just suffering so so much and I just didn't want to I didn't want to suffer anymore. I was just complete surrender And every time was just going going with it and going with it And I really believe that my higher self just put me exactly through the suffering I needed to go through That was the way for me. I believe that some people maybe get to enlighten them through the strategy and through their gurus and that's beautiful Good for them for me with that You need to forget it's your strategy if you adopt that as a strategy But it reminds me of one of the jokes that I found most funny A long time in my childhood and in my youth Which is objectively not funny at all But I always laughed out loud whenever I heard this some British people Expressing their frustration of some bad quality music or or boring situation or a painful situation and they would say I give up. I give up take me to the back and shoot me You know like the the the military militia would do of a of a stubborn Opponent they would take him to the back of the building and shoot him And then you are the one asking please take me to the back and shoot me My ears are bleeding of hearing this horrible music or this suffering And to a certain extent when I was hearing you telling your story I felt that's what you asked the universe. Please take me to the back and shoot me I did I did I did now. I'm laughing at myself. I'm like that's self created And I'm so happy the first time in my life that I laughed to this joke and I'm not the only one laughing That was it exactly but you know when you're in it it is just so real It is and you can't get out because you're in the middle of it and you're created this hell for yourself and You're just such a victim You guys know Or maybe You want to experience paradise you are obliged to invent hell as well Because that's the only way you will experience paradise. It's in contrast to hell Because reality There's no hell of paradise It's whatever you want That's also something I always liked is people telling their lovers. I'll be whatever you want It doesn't make me laugh. It makes me I think this is a beautiful expression of love even though most people who say that don't mean it and And most people who who mean it Should not say it because the other Facet of themselves may not be as mature as them Right. We come back to the feminine and masculine. Yeah So regarding the masculine and the feminine and regarding this dialogue What came through? And maybe it's not really relevant for everybody But for me was kind of nice to explore even in the way in which we go through civilization that is that quote-unquote penetration And that the desire to go through and that there is that expansion that is that surrender and That seems to be a dense also a taste in which we go through The realization of the true nature that is beyond The penetration is beyond that they are surrendering that Just is a source realization And it's a nice dynamic that Can take place and even that the dynamic Can be seen as an expression of Source in each moment I'm realizing that if the folks come in mind that says I should meditate for 20 minutes That's a realization of what source want to experience in this moment and if The realization that comes in this moment is I should go and learn a particular method strategy technique Is there because it's relevant for that character and even that fault Is realized because that is what source want to experience In that moment and as we progress as we trust that that is the source from which everything is coming from What comes through is that Yeah, it just source wanted to experience things And it's funny we cannot give an explanation. Yeah, that's beautiful. But why when you refer to source you don't say I Another word for for that for sure I I It's it's an it's an okay word I will not mine Yet at the same time a good a good reason to not use I is because of the no self and so no self enables the more close nature When you use I that's when you use self and that Is its own Aspect to the experience so if God plays with itself we ask what is that which Comprehends God playing with itself and so then that's where the no self component also plays Please go ahead. Yes No I made this suggestion to kevin For a very good reason because kevin can say I when talking of source I will not make that recommendation to host And in fact in a previous discussion we had Atlas on your channel. I mentioned that the word I should be avoided Most of the time by most people because until you know who you are you should not use the word I But when you know who you are it's probably one of the best available words At our disposal if we are ever going to talk fair Yeah fair Yeah So I will take the opportunity for the viewers who feel that they That they have really got a true understanding of their true nature I would recommend there there say I When you speak of The ineffable source I am that I am but for those of Those listening who have not Come to a full understanding Of who they are who have not had yet the exhaustion The absolute surrender take me to the back and shoot me Moment and subsequent revelation of their true nature Stay away from this word I and even from the word you As much as you can So what do they use what do we use I guess shut the fuck up? You don't know who you are shut the fuck up Or or speak until you are exhausted your Your everybody around you their ears are bleeding and they ask take me to the back and shoot me But You can enlighten others by exhausting them By the way, I was not talking to you. I was talking generally I get it. I was talking generally. Um, no you go here. Don't worry By the way, I'm sure some some Uh Identified feminine Vines in the audience must have been triggered by what I just said because this was an embodiment of masculinity Apparently telling an embodiment of feminity there To shut the fuck up, which was not at all what happened there But for those who suffered that that I didn't that lack belief Of lacking power as a female or as a feminine expression Uh to to to see anything assembling masculine Tell anything assembling feminine to to shut up would be extremely triggering And part of the reason why it was said Some people in the audience needed This violent trigger right now There's an audience question we can explore. Oh, yeah, great. All right, cool. So Laurel Is wondering if anyone on the panel has had breakthrough experiences with five m e o d m t Wow, that's precise and speculate on the S and speculate on the similarities with meditation Janas Thanks Yeah, like like yana yoga, okay Maybe I can show something. Yeah Um Yeah, that's how I would spell it Jan is the path of self-realization Yes, the masterless path, right? Okay, go ahead Felix Yeah, so I I had a few experiences with a five m e o d m t Um Which is a very potent substance and um should be approached with care and um Yeah, just not the not a recommendation or endorsements, but Can be an interesting experience um so yeah, it it has been called the god molecule and um It seems to me that it might be the The the molecule that carries the closest vibration to That of god At least that is available at least that I I know of um And actually very recently I had a deep meditative experience Why I felt like very much being in the The same very very same space that this molecule carries And um How it happened to me was uh bringing in contact What What I would describe as the beloved which is like the The purest essence of in-love-ness of adoration of this um This very white potent nectar of love that feels so intimate and intense and Like the essence of the heart and bringing that in contrast to the absolute Which is beyond even being So you've got like this most intimate experience of beingness Contrasted by the fact that even being is not me And so for me, it's like this This this essence of the heart Exploded in a way Like the the identification there that was so intimate and intense burst open and and what opened up was very much the The same space that I I had experienced the Quite a long time ago with this this molecule So Yeah, that's basically what I had to share about them And um Malgo or Kevin? Yeah, I never I never had this in general or this very specific one I didn't I never had the molecule, but I didn't know about the experience. I had I had multiple Times daily. Yeah Yeah Okay I never tried I'm scared actually of trying that, you know, oh, okay, that's interesting then you should definitely try it I'm not scared of that The molecule but I'm not interested and I've not tried that one because What I understand is that dnt is produced by the body. So I don't feel the need to go buy it from An intermediary if I can get it directly Um, not that I'm stingy, but uh, I I like to drink directly from the source whenever possible um I did try Occasionally when I was younger a few substances some of them I found interesting fun helpful and some uninteresting or unhelpful But generally I would say that To attain any state by with external help be chemical Or with the active guidance It's great in the sense that it will enable you to have less doubt about the existence of these states Uh, so that's the positive side of it The negative side is you have always this temptation of taking the shortcut Of reaching there as quick as possible with help And you don't learn The the knack of getting there By yourself Anytime you want so why create a dependency a despondency or dependency on on a any dealer of of any gatekeeper of To access something that you are Uh, I think it's a great business model. Um, uh, I'll sell you a ticket to To be yourself I have unlimited supply. I've been selling to you at any price you want to pay Go to my website. Just pay and you get there Be yourself Be yourself with the help of Only 999 right now If you buy five if you buy five I sell the tickets to be yourself by a bunch of five So you can be five times yourself for the price of four Now, but by the way, I'm ridiculing it, but of course we were all suckers for it until we finally find the The way in right, uh, when you realize that When you realize that Um It's beautiful We are all pale in comparison right But that's in comparison exactly And the most beautiful smile is yours Person who wrote bottom right The most beautiful one is yours, but you can't see it Yes Yeah I read quite a few books about near-death experience and they are very very very insightful very interesting and Very consistent by the way from different editors different authors different languages unrelated Accounts of NDE's And very consistent right Guys, I would love to read to you. They were now sitting on a prayer of a whole pono pono It's one of our prayers Then we can also comment to me I am the eye. I come forth from the void into life I am the breath that neutrals life I am that emptiness that allowness beyond all consciousness The eye the eye that they all the continuum of mind with matters I am then coming and outgoing of breath the invisible untouchable breeze The undefined atom of creation. I am the eye powerful powerful powerful and Basically, this is a cleaning tool They say and that you you can repeat these multiple times per day to clean all Distortions and we could even comment on the prayer itself I come from the void of neutral light that the dance of mind with matter Then coming and we are going of breath from yeah, I am the eye I would even recommend to the audience To pray in the shower Because uh water has a very Uh very strong catalytic uh and and soothing power of absorbing Any uh of your vibration, especially those which are not Most in harmony with your own belief So a prayer I am that I am um Even if at first you don't even believe it It's very helpful and uh This entity happened to to pray that way without really knowing exactly what he was doing for a few months Whenever taking the shower and it was Very helpful very soothing it transformed it contributed greatly to transform his Of life and then it paved the way. It's not the causation that it's a helpful paving of the way for higher and higher Realizations after that Um, and it doesn't matter that much if you don't even believe it at first if you say it Feeling a bit as a fraud to declare out loud that you are the I am Uh if as long as you do it in private, uh, but what you should avoid at as much as possible is um is uh Doing anything that is not In absolute authenticity in the presence of others But if it's in your own presence in fact in aloneness in solitude In the solitude of your shower or if the so in any solitude moment it's extremely helpful to express out anything Even and especially what feels fraudulent in you or what feels untrue or what feels Sad or painful say it out loud in your in your aloneness in the in the melancholy Of your solitude Be the soothing voice And the honest voice That says out loud what you know, you are not yet or you feel you know, you are not yet, but Listen to your own voice telling the truth while you tell it It's bullshit And over time the roles will swap Where you will actually realize slowly slowly That there is some truth in it And then the ground will be paved for grace That you cannot control you never it's impossible To know when grace will fall upon you and the revelation of your true nature Will explode within you in its full Undisputable truth It may manifest even in visual effects, but that's not What matters And don't despair also because you will quickly have a crash landing after that when you say oh, I am god and Because the eye saying that is not the right eye You know, it's one of your two eyes The only eye that is the true eye is your third eye the one you don't know yet Until you know it and until you know only that eye as being a true eye So but For those who have not yet had their satori only Be allow yourself total fraud total expression Fake it till you make it in solitude don't ever Fake it till you make it in public because it will haunt you Especially in this day and age where everything is recorded, you might not appreciate Being confronted with your Inbalances your past imbalances, it's not helpful, but To yourself, there is no limit the there's it's even an absolute requirement Total brutal absolute honesty brutal honesty With yourself and then if you are even lucky to have somebody you trust enough To be brutally honest with like we have this luck This amazing blessing all of us in the nls group We have a group of people we can be totally open and frank and honest about our bullshit or our truth And it's it's it's amazing, but it's very rare. You have to be very careful before You uh Expose your bullshit to anyone else than yourself This question leads really well into what v just said beautifully Okay, I only know the word autism. I can only guess the others Uh, but okay ptsd is familiar. So anyone has a personal experience with that Just also in general the question is trying to address how some of the neurobiological Restrictions for spirituality if how people feel about that not proper emotion regulation Okay, I have a specific opinion on autism Even though no member of my family has that condition, but I've I've delved into it Quite extensively There are There are two elements to it. Number one. It's usually an a gift By the entity incarnating into them for the acceleration Of realization of the surrounding entities. It's also a gift for the person itself uh, sometimes people who have tend to over rely on their own ability to provide for themselves They would incarnate In an entity that needs assistance where they cannot avoid it Uh, but specifically for autism, there is an element of memory which is very important and as you know ego is memory It's it's a it's a it's a reprocessing of memory. It's a it's a float It's a float coloring and reprocessing of your memory And what is autism autism is the is a kind of deficiency of the natural ability of your mind and brain to erase Unuseful memories Because many people think that memory is a skill no The ability to forget is a skill the the the natural Uh process of the brain is to store everything in memory to commit everything in memory and by the way if you dig in your Unconscious and subconscious deep enough you find all The elements of your memory that you thought were lost or erased. They are not really erased so ego Is a memory construct autism is extreme memory with very little Erasing while What we call emotionally mature people are actually people who are very good at erasing or apparently erasing any element of memory that is not consistent with their narrative with their with their story and with their identity so There is definitely a strong made a strong lesson about identity around autism and Each condition and each relationship between each of the 7.8 billion people is a tale or made experience for the spiritual benefit of both entities so so then you can call it anything you like that because any Any incarnated being on this planet is a net case, right? It's to a certain extent Gaia is a mental institution Where we are all Crazy people believing we are napoleon bonaparte or Felix or Kevin and we are being slowly and gently treated So imagine if the whole universe is trillions and trillions of entities and some of us are deluded into thinking we are some some Some guy some some historic Character or some cartoon character instead of of what we are Then okay, we can be sent here. We are given the illusion of separate identity the illusion of time so that we can work it out and regain our sanity That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that it's a giant nursery Where we come here to mature into fullness of consciousness And another way to look at it is a giant Show a scene. It's a it's a theater venue for the biggest greatest show of all time literally But if anyone of you have specific experience about those things All right, so That might be something interesting to also consider is the Recognition because this happens to me a lot too is like why not just stay in emptiness I mean, there were a lot of great things there said but that's also something interesting to consider is just Staying in emptiness. Thank you for the question. I don't have a perspective on it for ever So we are only not doing it for a few million years. It's not Why not and I would say because why not Why not incarnate? Why not experience time? Why not have fun? Or why not have misery which is another misery being the preparation for fun And fun being the preparation for misery Uh, why not why not? Thank you for the time on the eternal stage that we've had together. This has been great Love it. Super grateful our meeting of souls costumes units in the Tornado vortexing endlessly. Thank you. Thanks everyone Thanks a lot. Yay Hey Margaret welcome to your first Official stream yard video. This was a lot of fun together Yeah, we're looking forward to more. Yeah, thank you and thanks everyone for tuning in. We love you very much Thanks for your great questions. Thanks for Hopefully some of these epic Convo points ended up landing. Let's we can go back through some of them dance equals harmonious imbalances Intimacy into me. I see only the dance Duality detention between who you are and who you think you are Turn in where it's a station of arguing with god. You can defocus into all that is focus into separate piece In the balanced individual the energies lie waiting for the hand the creator to pluck harmony from raw And suffering the drill sergeant of awakening awesome All right, like the video if it brought you value helps the algorithm subscribe If you haven't yet to the channel share the video with people that you feel like this would resonate Leave us a comment below with your thoughts. Thanks again infinite gratitude That's so All right, we'll stay in the studio and we'll wrap in five four three