 because it's a little too big for our britches, so we're back to the simple live streaming. So to summarize what I've just been talking about is that this ego world of time and space was projected by the ego, but the Holy Spirit and Jesus can use everything that the ego may make. And so even though there's traditions, spiritual traditions, so when you think of convents, monasteries and more cloistered communities where there wasn't a lot of reliance on technology at all, there was making shins or making crafts or things like that, and the simple provisional practices now, this technology, we can extend the message, and it's the same backup, it's the same opportunity to let the Spirit shine through you, share through you, speak through you, but now it's simply using broadcasting. And our ministry has been filled with technology from the very beginning. And some of you know some of our collaborative programs like the Mystical Mind Training program is a very, very deep program, but we get it through the internet, and then people used it, and it's been used for years, and now more recently we've broken the modules apart into more bite-size online courses and so on, so forth, but it's still going strong, and it gets its upgrades, and that could be upgrades in terms of teaching, audio, video quality, examples, videos, photographs, images, all those things are constantly going through an upgrade, and that's just part of the way that we progress with technology. We're able to use the images in more precise and helpful ways, and the quality seems to go up. So for us doing this live stream today, you know it's still a first for us, but we're happy that we can work out the plugs and continue. So today I think I'd like to say too that we've gathered here and basically just this week we've come back to the Camus Metaphysical Center and we're very open to it being used by the spirit in a very full way. Alex has been here for sometimes, how many? Two months. Two months. So she's the one who's been, and Monty, the cat, keeping an eye on the project. Keeping the heart nice and warm and everything going strong, and then a group of us have just come in and flown in and landed, and so I thought it would take advantage of that opportunity because we have some people here that have been living in community for years, and when I say community, I mean a very devotional community in which people have let go of their careers and let go of their roles in the world and develop full time to this presence of love that is pouring through us and the use of this in skills and abilities, including technology skills. Some of us started off with some, but a lot of us just through the time of living together in community have gained a lot of skills and you might say it's just our skill levels that climb as we continue to use it because it's worked out so well and spirit keeps refining things, and so there's a lot of creative ideas that we'll talk about on this broadcast today and we'll talk about things that are in motion and also things that are on the cutting edge that are coming soon so you can kind of keep an eye out for them and hopefully our discussions today will pique your interest in some of the things, the ways the spirit is using technology. We have had for years things like we started off in a print form, the movie Watchers Guide to Enlightenment and then it went online, a lot of you know MWTE.org, is an amazing site that has been developed over the years, in the early years, Helena had a lot to do with it and then Laverne, who will be with us today, had a lot to do with it and then Laverne's moving to other interests too that are occupying her time now, but these, that's one example I can give you, the Mystical Mind Training program that I mentioned, the Mystical Mind Training Board, is a program that was developed years ago here in Utah. It's a composition of teachings in very much of an audio visual format and so people could go through it generally in about a couple years or a little bit over two years because it was so full on with the mind training and it was a lot of experiential exercises to go with it and at times it's even been used as a ministerial program as well as a mind training program to train the mind and then if you bring it more closer to what we're doing now, we of course have had the Flitter Miracles Virtual which, Alexa, you were on that pretty regularly, we were talking about Evo and some of the ones who have plugged into that over the years, it's kind of circle around and when they make it into a peer informed, they come off the screen. That's kind of a neat experience because that's what I get when people have watched videos of me and then they go, oh, I didn't realize you were so tall. They say when they meet me or something, you look a lot shorter, you look at the real shorty on the videos and then you come in and you're much taller. But we have fun, it's all digital really, it's all thoughts and it's all thoughts in the mind and it seems like there's a physical aspect and more of a non-physical aspect but it's actually all non-physical, it's all just thoughts. And the deeper you go into the experience, you start to realize that through yourself as an experience. But in more recent years, we've had things like online, your mind groups online. I know Greg, Donna is going to do something like those. So a lot of people are online working these groups and asking questions and working through things in a digital way. Jeff Wilber has had his Saturday night movies going and apparently that group has grown bigger and bigger and bigger. So it's very popular to share and watch movies together and then sometimes you can have setups and some commentary here and there which actually can help expand your awareness of what you're looking for as you're watching the movie and bring it home to what's going on in your mind, what's going on in your own awareness. And then more recently we've been upgrading our websites and we've been getting into things like scary, your spiritual assistant, which again is based on the teachings and based on the instrument for peace and yet it's taking it so that it's interactive that people can actually work through emotional upsets and work through their disabilities and their perceptions and open up and do a session or maybe a longer session if they want or they can do repeated sessions and it's a way of actually, it seems like you have a metaphysical counselor spiritually taking you deeper into your mind for release and it's really a plot which is short for like robot, like an online robot and you can tell us a little bit about that and then of course on the online to Facebook page people will come on and ask you know are you going to have an app for my phone? Yes that is in the works we would like to have an iOS operating system for your phone and tablets and so forth and as well as an Android one down the line and from what I understand it's even being translated into Spanish at this point so well we about three quarters are getting close three quarters of the way through having spirit in your spiritual assistant translated into Spanish so we have the Spanish spirit oh boy it's turning into a tongue twister Spanish spirit and then as soon as we do that we'll hear a couple of people in Brazil and Portugal and they don't know Portuguese and I'm sure we'll have to get some other ones but but it's the technology is just expanding and expanding also we might talk a little bit about VR or virtual reality because we use VR in our last mystery school we actually brought a computer cup computer here to campus to practice to work it out and then take it over to the mystery school and work it out there and making part of the curriculum and so Alexa is here and she can tell us a little bit about her experiences at the mystery school using that because there was a variety of experiences people had with me but it was to put you more in touch it was almost like a way of like the early days of biofeedback which could give you more of a like some kind of understanding of how your mind works and your thoughts work and how perception works because oftentimes when you become so accustomed to the human experience and so accustomed to the world as being outside of you it takes something like VR to to see yourself in a different way and Christopher can talk a little bit about that he's used VR for for like the second journaling the journaling in a way of seeing yourself different which is all what the course is about learning to shift your perception of yourself and then shift your perception of the entire world and all your brothers and sisters and so that's a big shift we're talking about you know the Jesus says in the course it's just a tiny gap that is where all of time to space comes from a little gap in the mind that's already over and gone and yet this doesn't seem that way in human experience it seems like these events and these people and these certain fences keep circulating over and over and over and yet with VR we have a technology that can help us shake us out of our stagnant perceptions of the world and lift us into more expansive perceptions so michael carolina is with me he's just come up from mexico and this is a like a reigniting of our chemist metaphysical center at this point we have the fire lit but this is more of a broad reigniting we're talking about in terms of using it for visitations maybe devotional stays we could it could turn again as has been to a big tech hub where there's a lot of creative expression i know that like in the world they have think tanks where people come together to open up the mind to new ideas and this could be like a creative think tank actually where lots of cutting edge technology issues that can actually have a huge impact and you only have to think of steep jokes to look at some of his ideas how he persevered with apple and that macintosh and carrying his ideas forward and then a lot of his ideas have made it into actual product and software that that has influenced the way that people interact around the globe just based on on his visions and his ideas of looking to do things easier and more efficiently more streamlined but also thinking outside the box so to speak and that's where invention comes from you have you know it sounds like Elon Musk and there's a lot of cutting edge scientists that are exploring a lot of things right now going beyond what has been known perceived in this world even art in a purse told Gary Renard that this would be the century of teleportation and already there are scientists that are sharing particles sending particles bending particles around and I know there's been a lot of teleportation not so much yet with human beings teleporting in these from one place to the other but it's on that it's on that direction there they are sending particles a lot of experiments have been happening over in the Canary Islands in Spain they've been able to teleport things in some distances and so we're we are I can see where this would be at this century for teleportation that would revolutionize the way that we do things when we think of flying instead of going to get onto an airplane you'd be able to do a booth and get teleported to different coordinates in the universe or in the world that would be an interesting experience that's a very swift way to go and we have to wait for runways and all the delays or we just watched sully have to be concerned about bird hits about your engines birds flying into both of your engines at the same time over New York City uh when you're teleporting there could be other things that have to be located if you make a mistake you know you could end up on Mars or something and you know that could be an interesting experience but but hopefully you know we're just opening to these ideas and really remembering that all of time and space is a projection anyway so it's not that important where you seem to be in time and space it's really where is your mind what thoughts are you thinking thoughts of love are you are you thinking thoughts of fear and if you want to wake up to the reality of your spiritual nature and your face nature then you do need to forgive and that's where all this technology comes comes around maybe michael you can share a little bit about the feelings you've had as you've come up here because it's it is like stepping through a door and we're opening to what's next and what's new and you've enjoyed teaching and you've done a bit of traveling meeting people as well as a lot to do with the internet and PR websites so changing optimization a lot of different aspects to go into the ministry in a very digital way in very technological way and yet when you come up here it is like starting a new chapter and seeing what's going to happen so if you can tell a little bit about which the feelings are a whole new chapter well it feels great fresh and vibrant and spontaneous so that's technology and forgiveness how far do we go with the technology you know we've got a mac computer they're just using a good camera and i think that there's like a lot of good music in my camera is that right so just fully we're just using a mac computer this is the whole technology so it doesn't have to be complicated so end of the year okay we actually got a 360 camera the uh camera is actually recording it's my forecasted so i just love the vibrancy of this spontaneous it's very much in the memory any sort of planning just this you know it's just painful actually it just doesn't work and if you've got any sort of expectation that something's supposed to work now this is supposed to be a fancy mic this is meant to be very simple you know and that's how it's going to be on the internet you've got a very fast incident you're like expelled to the internet provider you've got these sweeps down low like speeds and you've just got a very basic planning it seems to be really well so yeah just any sort of expectation really washed out or something like that particularly blackout and this coming into campus this time and i feel like it's been out of administration hardly i think and now it's just we just don't know exactly where it is and the property is even being for sale and it's still sort of for sale there's an interested buyer so let's let me continue on in this moment we're here and it's vibing fresh and it's not what it is going to happen next time we can't put it out now if we do this now it's that it's just for sale it's just for sale so this feels really good to it's been in the vibrancy in mexico it's that's a fantastic place we're not having any expectations it's like we're thinking about being in juba in mexico right because anything any expectation down there is just really what if workers or anybody come in time with our nexican time you know we're very joyous about it which is great and now we're here in this time it's this feels really different too it was interesting just a day before i left mexico and i had this i left less than 30 and i really get in and versioning this is really this guide isn't everything i see because guide is in my mind and just yeah less than 30 guide isn't everything i see because guide is in my mind there's really what is washing through me for the day or two before i left mexico and i think he talks about really seeing the prosecution whether you have your eyes closed or your eyes open it's really the same it's really experiencing it a very deep level and carrying through my days the last day or two in mexico and now in camis there's just this sameness this consistency i've felt in my mind we're relevant before so that's for us just feel very beautiful actually the joinings i've been having you know i didn't even laugh i get it yeah the joinings and just everything it just has just felt so it's like this consistent piece it just feels so vital it's so opposite to what the ego would expect you know it's boring or something it just feels so it's just tickles my heart it feels so beautiful so this is where we're at we're totally open for devotion to study applications and you know christopher just happened to communicate with david recently and we just happened to be opening the center so he's here right now he's joined us here at the airport we picked us up at the airport in the same time as us he's here right now so to log on to living miracles.org and you go to the events or the centers tab and there's a dot there and there's a devotion stage you can fill in and load applications very carefully of course and um yeah we can see it here just a nurse being filling the line together the devotional stage of camis and then the Anna and I are really out in just spontaneous travels in the back we're out into spontaneous travels and throughout the U.S. and Canada it just feels like there's a core in our hearts just to extend and to share we practically live in the course of miracles we live in 24-7 in the very uncompromising and if anybody is interested in yet to share about that then it's a gathering or a travel that actually we'd love to share so I'm just getting in contact with us and then yeah it just feels like what we've been talking about even today earlier too but this is a ministry just sponsored by donations um some of the things I mean of course in this world of buying and selling you know there are things that we can purchase but but really the ministry if you go to the core of it the teachings on YouTube all the writings on the internet and all those audios hundreds and hundreds of hours of audios are freely provided and that's been a walk of trust for all of us to continue on just shining sharing continuing the same kind of love and devotion and extending that we have and trusting that whatever is needed will be provided so so much we could say all everything's really on there for free the content and then they keep packaging it and repackaging in ways because people do like to have things in certain ways and they do like to work through things sometimes it has to be putting packages where there's exercises or there's guides or there's a little bit of structure to work through something because the mind needs that structure and so that's all provided as well but even in early discussions we've had today we're still amazed at the divine providence and the divine flow of of being able to put your full attention into being used by the spirit without having this other thing pulling at you which involves survival and it's possible to go so much into the creative vibe so much into being used by spirit but that the worry and concern about survival and how will it take place first to fade and fade out of your awareness and then that's where the joy grows stronger and stronger because you're not like standing with a foot in each world you start to feel more like you're sustained by the love of God that's less than 50 times sustained by the love of God and he does say that less than Jesus tells us of you in this world you believe you're sustained by everything what God and then he's bringing us into that place of trust and so to me that's the core of everything we do we're just doing it for the joy and the sharing and the extension and then amazingly the people who show up and the technologies that show up and the ways that they can all be brought together in a clear but a way it's staggering and you really look at it it's quite amazing so well let's see of all the different technologies that you've dealt with because you've dealt with quite a lot since we've been part of this ministry is there anything that just stands out in your mind which you want to share a little bit about there's been so many when they say websites we have a lot of websites I mean there are many so it's a lot of websites that are out there sharing this content and then now we can say we're starting to get into some other languages so as well as people you know contributing subtitles you know to videos and other languages and we've used movies with different subtitles travels to all these different companies but but the websites and all the different things that we've done it's everything that has touched you the most well a little bit of websites they were always very significant I just love the content and the websites and the various pages you've got written material audio material video material in the website so here's the and then we're going to social media so the social media the immediacy of the social media the posting and the incredible content that's put up instantaneously it's when you're reading the other day from the mix of there is a genitalian as you put them up there and there's all this interaction about this story and these staples and coming from that and this is how this ministry of social media so I just love the spontaneity of social media and if you want to take it a step further I just love the YouTube so it's like it depends on the time and situation and I think it's really so wonderful having the most portfolio I think you're like of a tick who is at different times really where the happen and sometimes I can't sleep and I love your app app the app is really really just fantastic just to be able to put on surprise oftentimes a few days or something it's not putting along this invitation so it's like I like to be surprised so that's that's why I just love it I'm trying to be sad but it's a fact of that it just seems to get easier and easier like it just ends at you and then you start to relax with it and flow with it like right before I came out here I had Michael stopped in my room and I was just sitting at this desk top and I just turned on because I just arrived late last night and here was a new operating system and if you're taking some photos of I'm gathering that Michael and I were both at the postline and it said oh I've made a slideshow for you would you like it to be a video okay and then it made a video so it took video clips I suppose from my phone and photos and it put music and it made the whole thing I told the whole thing and then it said oh would you like to post this social media okay so I clicked on that okay let's do Facebook it just it was prompting me and I thought this is easy can I use it for 30 seconds and I've made a movie I didn't make I just happened to put some photos and some videos and it did the whole thing it prompted me and I guess Microsoft has their own version of series it's a female name but they've got their own it's very less what something like that yeah so it was doing all the prompting and then when it finally came down you want to click this button this button and there was the video was just gone out on Facebook today but I like that where you know before it was like the machines were just there to serve you and you could use them now the prompts are coming in unexpectedly and if you just go with them uh it's it's just so easy everything so well we'll move on and Laverne is here maybe Laverne you want to come over to okay Laverne has been a part of our community for so many years I remember you were coming out to the Edge retreat center that was quite a few years ago and then over the years it has worked on so many different projects so many different collaborations and now it's just getting more exciting for you because you're getting into the cutting-edge technology so maybe you could talk a little bit about of course you did so much work with the Movie Watchers Guide to Enlightenment and I know one of the things that you enjoy doing was even making mini movies and trailers so your YouTube channel Laverne Shepherd has got some amazing videos videos and mini movies that you just put together just your inspiration where what was the feeling like it just started happening through you and and you started editing and and bringing in music and it's almost like now you do what professional trailer teams do for movies which really heightens the interest but it also these are very deep metaphysical movies so it's not just your typical action and guns and shoot-ups and chases these are highly metaphysical movies so how did that happen to you at the very beginning when it started to happen through you and then it just got stronger and stronger? I really feel like I was influenced by a couple of your class at Movie State with commentary the island and Solaris in particular I had went to a couple of gatherings over it was the Edge and the Edge retreat center at the time and I was just blown away by those two movies in particular and I just could just see how helpful it was for me to start seeing that this world wasn't real and that seemed to come through in those movies so clearly for me and I was you know it's like a real desire to extend that gift out somehow like if I felt like I was able to get into an experience in a watching a movie I just was inspired to to extend that out and if there was a particular message that was coming through in a scene in a movie I thought wow could just make a little trailer in two to three minutes I could listen to it over and over and over again just to get a deep metaphysical message that I needed to hear and so I want to add to that because what with this theory app that's coming out one of like the key components of it is that if somebody has some sort of an upset coming up in the mind that not only is it going to recommend audios and videos but also movie reviews movies to watch to help you to move through upsets in the mind and difficulties so it's really going to be an amazing app but I really feel like all of it in essence is just what I want to extend like I've received this huge gift by watching movies to heal my mind and there's just a deep desire to extend that out so that I can keep it yeah and the thing about it is that the types of movies that you work with with some of these trailers are not your typical kinds of movies I started calling them quantum movies because we started watching movies like next and source code and mr nobody that are very much quantum movies we don't follow linear progressions you know there's been movies throughout the years like momento and things like that or internal sunshine of the spotless mind where it looks like the whole thing has repeated and by the end of the movie you don't know what the beginning of the movie or what the end of the movie is you think this is even a movie you know when you watch it it's it's moving into a a vast kind of quantum experience I do remember when I first I was here in Utah and I went to a movie theater to watch eternal sunshine that was spotless mind for the first time and as I was coming down there was an elderly man that was just shaking his head and he was quite upset he said now that's not even a movie he said that is not a movie he said it's long way too far he was complaining but I was kind of in a before it stayed in mind from eternal sunshine of the spotless mind couldn't make it get home and and ponder and maybe do a write-up on it or share share extend it but you know some of those movies like source code I think I remember particularly the trailer for that was just spectacular it makes you you watch the Verne's trailer for source code and then you think oh my god it's almost like at the beginning of the matrix you know I can guide you but you must do exactly as I say turn around do it slowly there's just all these components that are just part of the trailer that make you have a feeling inside like oh my gosh I don't know why but I need to watch that movie there's some kind of message for me some kind of feeling so it's it's one thing to use the Hollywood movies and then it's another thing to use them a commentary and then it's quite another thing to give yourself so much over spirit to say okay now spirit you make a trailer for this amazing teaching learning tool and then you can see every step of the way there's so much care and attention put in at letting the spirit work through you because probably if you'd seen this kind of stuff about it two years ago it would have been who did that my gosh is it some kind of a Mozart or because it takes almost like a a genius mind to to tap in when you've not been trained really you know by Hollywood or not work professionally in those areas to let your skills be used together with your passion with your desire to extend love extend forgiveness all that comes together in one experience and then you feel you're for it you feel joyful I remember when I was first here at living here for center and we saw this for nobody and at the time everyone watched it it was like huh what was that all about and then I was a year later I think it was David that you've got this huge download for this movie and it was just wow it was it was like the mind was ready to hear this deep message about you know that the problem is choice and that we're in this impossible situation and it was like those two messages really inspired me then to put together a trailer that really drove that point home in the mind and yeah that is an amazing movie now but when it first came out it was like what in the world is that but I think that's what's really exciting about doing these trailers too because I don't have a background in doing the video editing it's just this feeling of just being done through I don't know anything about editing videos I don't know anything about building a chatbot and yet it's being done through me and and so then I want to do more and more of those types of experiences where I can just feel like I'm just totally being done through yeah in some area that I wouldn't least expect yeah so we'll get into a lot because this was more just the burns of getting your toes but now she's down and swimming in the deep end and so that we have a lot to cover but but I think probably your YouTube channel for example is one of the best cut secrets uh if people go to check out Laverne Shepherd it's going to be a mind-blowing experience when you go through some of these trailers you know when you watch one it can just be an amazing experience when you start to watch them then you can start to can activate things in you about which movies would be helpful really to watch and then we know from the way we use movies it could be huge mind-opening experiences you know through spiritual history you know there's been all types of breathing techniques and Kundalini and people have used ayahuasca and everything and so through these high interpretations and these high almost like storytelling parables that the spirit is using the movies the Hollywood movies for it's in one sense it's our spirit inspired art it's really like a different course and whatever where it's drug-free and yes it's you end up in states of mind like with these drugs without taking the drugs and it's it's legal too it's another thing I mean it's it's drug-free and it's legal and you start to get some highs from these expansive high interpretations that the spirit is taking us into so so that was more of like a beginning and then as you've progressed let's talk a little bit about speary about your spiritual assistant because it's it's active right now as a website a facebook page which is just speary sp iri you go there your spiritual assistant and you can find it by just looking it up on facebook and then the way I saw a hozama page the other day and a friend of mine christine help from uh california was saying how do you start this how do you how do you interact with speary and then somebody has to continue to react and message her that's all you really do to actively this amazing spot this amazing interactive experience is based on some of the teachings and the uh the tool love the true instrument for peace but but taken in much more sophisticated way so it's as if you have a spiritual counselor working with you but maybe you can just tell us a little bit about speary um some of the origins of it and then how it's taken off on facebook and then the bot and then perhaps the app itself it comes and maybe an interaction between the app the phone app and the facebook page there's a lot here yeah well i can just remember david when i um again when i first came to utah in some of your gatherings and i picked up the book awakening true of course and miracles and the instrument for peace is in the back but it's like in a written form where you have to use a pencil you know and then if you want to use it again you have to erase it you know in the book and use it that way and i felt like wow this was really helpful for me but i you know it's in a paper form and and so from there i just had this inspiration of putting it into um a fillable pdf so we have that out on levels of mine dot com and mwge where you have the instrument for peace and you can actually work through an upset by using a fillable form so that was like from the back of that book into a pdf and then um it was back in the spring time where three of us went to a south by southwest conference in texas awesome texas which is this premier place for learning about the new technologies and jason and jeffrey and i went and uh we went to some workshops where they were talking about tap box and we hadn't ever heard of that you know what's that a tap box and um what it what it is basically is uh is a having a conversation with a computer where it's using natural language it's very automated but it's like this you know if you can think of like customer service where one person is answering the same question over and over again it makes sense for businesses to just automate that so if they you know want to know what the hours are they can go on the facebook messenger and ask what the hours are and get an answer well you can take that one step further and say well when somebody has an upset in the mind what is it that you want to do with that you want to actually get down to figure out and see what the belief is and and what most of us notice is that we have an upset in the mind the last thing that we seem to be able to do is to get down and touch with the emotions and the thoughts and the beliefs like because then it's so high that the emotion is so high and you know david you talk about the ring of fear you know that that ring of fear seems so prevalent when you have some sort of a contraction so it's like wow how great would it be to have like a personal assistant in your pocket so to speak that when you notice that you have an upset that you're really able to you know that spirit is going to walk you step by step through this process of you know what's what are you upset about you know what are your feelings who do you blame you know what's the future fear what's the belief and on the willing you know ultimately willing to be right or happy you know so it's like it's a very automated process you know this this like you know you David you know if you could think about virtual reality if you were in this scenario and you were having all this intensity come up and david showed up you know virtual reality and started you know quest asking you these questions and helping you get down to the police like if you can do that every time that's all this awakening processes that's all what forgiveness is really so it's um it's really amazing what we're doing with the what the spirit is doing with this technology um to be able to have a conversation with with spirit when you're upset about something and to be able to look at the belief and change your mind about it so if you could take that one step further you can really look at it in terms of having like a voice recognition spirit so that you will be able to use spirit when you're driving down the road or you know if you're in a virtual reality you've got some goggles on and maybe you're walking across a plank between two buildings you know you could pause the action when you're really feeling some intensity and spirit can actually talk to you in that experience to help you get in touch with the underlying belief so I feel like what the what's on Facebook Messenger now is like a text conversation but this is just the beginning really um we've been talking about even having um some biofeedback kinds of applications where if you have your Apple watch we can actually check your pulse spirit would be able to see when you know you uh the heart rates going up uh being able to check in so you have the spirit app your Apple watch is playing off of the your phone like the Apple watch works and then when your heart rate your pulse goes up maybe you're driving along and you're not even aware that you're getting upset or anxious but your watch is monitoring your pulse rate and your heart rate and it starts to bring it another way into awareness and all suddenly on the speakers of your car if you kind of look up that way uh slow down and maybe pull over and pause this is a wonderful opportunity to do some some uh infrospection and some forgiveness work and uh imagine not only my computer prompting me to do a little video but imagine your watch being hooked to your wrist band and your your iPhone or your smartphones in your pocket and suddenly you're prompted stop take a pause here there's time for an intervention that would be amazing and that technology's not that far off what we've heard is that it's already being used in the medical profession uh uh for example they have an app out for for schizophrenics that it actually monitors and knows like when they're going into a schizophrenic episode and is able to offer up some word puzzles and some kinds of ways to quiet the mind and to help it from you know keep it from going into a schizophrenic episode so I feel like the technology's there and and that you know this even us coming together here at the living miracles the physical center you know and seeing what's going to happen here it feels like there's some sort of a you know um scary next step like what is that and really wanting to be open to to what that is you know using scary more in the virtual reality area scary this new app that we're developing right now it's more offering up not only just the uh the mind tools uh levels of mind and instrument but also offering up audios and videos and movies suggestions when you're needing help the most so you might say that uh I did a session at the temple down in Mexico just uh it was a couple mornings ago but it was basically talking about um for example in China they do have the firewall around the borders of China and but they have developed what we could call super apps where they've taken the best of all the apps and we'll say the western world or the civilized world we could just say the rest of the world that the Chinese have taken the best of all the apps they put them all into one app so people can move through their entire day in this app interacting paying for things calling contacting people chatting with people buying things selling things splitting a tab at a at a restaurant using a cryptocurrency instead of what we call regular friends who's again with the dollar or the euro and so forth and it's amazing uh when Francis and I were over there there's been like huge advancements and not only are they huge advancements but they boil them all down to one app and then people are using that one app so we chat for example that's the app I remember I downloaded it onto my phone and then I was over in uh Japan and I was going around China just while they're bringing their phones to the mine and a lot of things and the phones were just coming in proximity to each other that's a quick way to share you know connecting that way the phone's just in proximity then when you look at how that could be used for forgiveness um it's more than efficiency more than ease of use uh more than just plain pure simplicity we're we are tapping into the unconscious mind and we're making the unconscious conscious so we some of you have heard of uh Paul Young and Paul with the shadow and Freud talked a lot about the unconscious a lot of religions more are on the surface of consciousness so they're all with rituals and beliefs but when you get down to the unconscious beliefs and you start to tap into raising them up with awareness and letting them go then that's what true feeling and true spiritual awakening refers authentic spiritual awakening so I know there's things like for example Scientology's got a lot of uh you know it's a lot of press and a lot of things and with celebrities and and properties and positions and and horror stories of people but actually Elrond Hubbard started to uh tap into in his processes of practice was tapping into the unconscious mind and they called it out we might call it mind training mind watching you know even some of these things that had grown into very controversial things they've got some amazing things underneath because anything that starts to tap into the unconscious mind raise it up into awareness where you can see I don't want this I don't want fear in my mind I don't want guilt I don't want shame but if I just see I'm a human being and I'm just acting and interacting with the people and places of the world and the theologies of the world then in one sense you're still a prisoner of this unconscious mind so we're getting the best of I call it spiritual psychology tie that in with the best of technology and use the technology to help people raise these these thoughts and beliefs up into awareness heal the feelings move through the guilt of shame and then come through into the love and joy then I think that's the best of for everything coming together and that's just the way the spirit has guided us that's why we're using these cutting-edge technologies now it's very for you who are saying several days ago when we were talking in Mexico how the building an app is much more complicated than you thought I mean that so it's one thing to have it in your mind and have the functionality you want and want to do so and things but then when you start to say how do you bring it into form that's when you get into coding that's when you get into programmers and even we were talking about just images just to have nice images that would really make the app seem more user-friendly like going through movies and and looking at some familiar scenes or faces that could really you know like during the trailers that's what it is right there but getting that's on an app which is the use of phone smartphones it's just exploding and using tablets as opposed to desktop computers so we can share a little bit about what type of process is because you've had again with it over the spirit where you had these amazing ideas and then when you try to bring them into fruition where it's practical user-friendly and even even if it would be for example a free app so people could download it for free you know the megabytes and the cashing and all the things that are involved in making something user-friendly and something that you really want to work with and yet the practicalities there's a lot of practicalities. Well one of the things that's been great about Facebook Messenger which is what the spirit bot is on is the fact that Facebook wants their messenger to be like the Chinese you know I think that's WeChat they want that they want businesses to use that platform for getting customers and keeping customers and handling customer service so that it's really great for spirit bot to be on that because most of the things that are available like they're wanting the businesses that are on there to advertise on Facebook so it makes it makes it easy if they if you see an ad you just click on the ad and it takes you right into a conversation with the bot on Facebook Messenger so it's it's been really simple actually it's very intuitive but we've always felt like we would like to have an app and why is it that we'd like to have an atmosphere is because we really want to like target and and provide the information that somebody is needing if they're needing help for example if they're having marital problems you know we want to give them audios and videos and content that actually is going to that really is precise um you don't always get that when you go out onto like Google search if you were to even type your name David and you know marital problems you might get a lot of your content but you might get other content too that isn't all that relevant what we're trying to build with the app is a is an app that's actually pulling material api setting up api so it's it's pulling like videos and audios q and a responses and review reviews from our sites it's very specific and it's very targeted and so there's a lot of work involved with getting making sure the tags are correct that are actually going to give that the information that the user needs when they need it um there's also like a a length issue in terms of like you know people's attention spans are getting shorter and shorter so it's like okay we need to make sure the videos and the the audios that we're providing them are you know they're going to take the 10 minutes or 15 minutes to to listen so so there's a whole lot involved in building building this app that i mean and then that's not even including the graphic content um that we have there's a lot of really great animation that we've been putting into our app we've got a levels of mind mountain that people climb in order to move through the the the perception thought feelings uh beliefs and desire and then we also have an automated instrument for peace form that takes you up into a mountain and then you know lilies probably like the lost amount but they get to this you know move through an upset and we have um we have an altar you you know you only have a few minutes and you just want to place something on the altar then you have that so it's kind of like how much time do you have you know if it's only a couple of minutes put it on the altar if it's a little longer find them level to my mountain if you've got more time it's really good so it's like giving people choices um and if they aren't able to move through something just by placing it on the altar you know we're offering a suggestion of trying something out you know looking at where you might have it locked in the mind that's that's preventing you from you know actually lifting up a belief so there um the spirit app is more visual like the spirit bot would be for people who really like the conversation and have a friend um for others it's more like it's a visual experience like being able to to climb about and being able to um look at audios and videos and and I think really the gem of the whole thing is the movie reviews because there really isn't anything out there that's using movies in quite the way that we are like like for example the last mwge newsletter that we featured the nines which is so deep in terms of metaphysical content and yet it's a full length movie you know you have a character he's actually you know like going through this whole metamorphosis of his own that you know we can relate to the characters experience of going through that so it's like some sort of combining of the best of both worlds in terms of the the movie reviews and then using um um to to move through upsets in the mind it's pretty amazing and um I feel like we've been just talking here about this proliferation of VR all of this stuff that's coming out in terms of VR experiences and and these companies that are just trying to build content but you can have all of this stuff but what do you do with that you can yeah what's it for is it for distraction or is it for healing of the mind yeah I know when you went to that high-tech conference how people were quite interested in what you were talking about and Jason was talking about it definitely because of the content it was exciting to them we have a a programmer over in Germany that's working to build it and it was saying the other day how excited he is to share this all with his friends maybe his programmer friends I believe what this thing is what they're attempting but what I'm working on now he's all excited people at the conference were getting all excited even in a table a lunch table of everybody and then when you mentioned about the mind or forgiveness or peace of mind what what's it what about the thing you know the attention for a lot of programmers and a lot of people that are into the tech industry there's a lot of stress there's a lot of push like sales push you've got to sell you've got to promote you've got to market or else and before you've got to come up with funding how do you come up with funding to do all this this is where the divine providence comes in again because that divine providence is the spirit using it all and providing everything that we need out the means to reach the end because the means and the end the miracle are together and it's that quantum experience but it's very much different than business and I would say too that the kind of inward work that we're talking about monasteries and convents and spiritual communities have existed for many centuries and they kind of are like a almost like an embryo they're an embryo where this there could be a development that's taking place not so much of an embryo of a human child but the embryo of a soul that's opening as hard as opening it's expanding and you need that sense of devotion and and concentrated energy like a synergy there to really practice the cosmic egg you know we're not splitting the atom we're we're undoing the ego and and also when I think about therapy I know a lot of people who I've known in my life have done through years or decades of therapy they tell me it's very slow they tell me it's very expensive and then sometimes they'll go for decades and think where have I gone have I even moved and I'll say well you know there's spiritual psychotherapists and there's transpersonal psychotherapists that are a little broader in their awakening so they can help you more but we're talking about taking instead of using spiritual psychotherapists so many tools that can help you actively get in touch with your intuition actively connect in that way and also I have to say the thing that I was the most impressed with of all Jesus's teachings was when he taught freely you have received now freely gift when I look at the the original movie watchers guy's enlightenment that was online for free and still is the original movie watchers guy when I look at the teachings we have an awakening to of course America's apparently compiled where did he compile these teachings from from the internet from free websites where people had taken the time to transcribe a lot of my teachings and talks and he and he put them all together into awakening to of course the miracles you mentioned that book that's kind of like a basis for a lot of people to kind of come into these teachings if you're watching this I would say that that the actual development of the spirit app into iOS for smartphone and then then perhaps after that into Android and also Spanish Facebook spirit and a lot of things that are in the works these are probably months away I would say they're coming they're coming much closer but if you want to prepare yourself to take full advantage of them when they come out this isn't like a some kind of a sales pitch because spirit app just as I understand is just free so when this thing finally gets developed with all this R&D research and development with all this time and effort of really decades of work all put together into this amazing app that will help you contact a lot of materials in a in a very quick way an efficient way it's very interactive it's very relevant and pertinent to what you're struggling with but this will be free the the app we have that allows you to tap into speaker and all the hundreds and hundreds of hours of that it's just free when you look at there's a levels of mind site I think it's for levelsofmind.com and basically if you wanted a primer website to help you engage in this facebook spirit bot and also download the amazing apps for your smartphone or your tablet when it comes out the primer site would probably be levelsofmind.com because you're not only going to get the instrument for peace and the teachings that are behind this but also you're going to get the actual levels of mind diagram and it put in a way which is very likely presented in graphic and then send work hard to get that together but that's like a primer so that when the the app actually comes out you can it'll be announced and we'll go out and you'll be so ready it's like having a steam-raid bicycle with tassels but you actually have to learn how to ride a bike because handles banana handles and oh I remember when I got my first steam-raid bicycle I was wow I'm gonna be on this bike all day I can't believe it I was riding it everywhere but I'm glad that I knew how to ride a bike when that steam-raid and that handle bar came out because I thought if I oh I wouldn't have really been able to take advantage of this and had such a fun experience so I would say the technology is there if you're really starting out and you like books you could start off with reading something like making good course of miracles to give you a context if you really like the internet and not necessarily a book in your hands you could go to levelsofmind.com started immersing in that website because it's very straightforward but it's very practical takes you in very quickly and then if you say okay ready for some hands-on experience I may have been trouble with my mother-in-law I'm having physical symptoms or I haven't trouble with my marriage or my relationship go right into that facebook spirit page and send spirit a message I feel so sad because my marriage is not fulfilling and my partner and I just have all kinds of communication issues type it out pour your heart out to spirit on that facebook page and tell spirit how long the session you want to do again very practical I've 10 minutes about 20 minutes you know you put that all in and then interact with spirit for that time and then you get an actual experience of what we're talking about yeah we have this couple in Peru that just finished translating the new MWGD guide into Spanish so it's like right at the heels of the translation of the obscurity into Spanish is the MWGD guide into Spanish so it's like it's all coming together for a whole new population of people who really love using the movies for awakening so it's just amazing to me David how it is that that the you know whatever level of technology competency you have you put something available whether it be a worksheet or spirit bot and then seem to be spirit app that like it's it's like meeting the need wherever a person is yeah but the chat bot thing is so brand new and most people are even having a struggle getting through the process on the facebook messenger but it's just because the technology is new but it's coming in pretty quickly but it's things like our friend Jeff Uber just went down he just took off to go and live in these mountains outside of couple hours outside of Lima Peru because we have friends down there that are willing to translate mystical mind training into Spanish so these are like life's callings people end up moving to Peru to pursue this mystical mind training in Spanish because it's their life calling is is he a professional he has a lot of skills and ability but it's this devotion in this part of the community over the years like yourself for people that dedicated years to this and it's just given by the spirit this is next step he's all excited about that and we get excited about watching these deep teachings go out and in magnificent ways maybe that's our cue to kind of shift our focus talk a little bit about virtual reality now too because virtual reality it seems very realistic so when we talk about getting into the unconscious you know anything that assists us to get into the unconscious to bring that up in a big way is something to be helpful Alexis with us and she actually was at the mystery school this past spring and you we had VR virtual reality as part of the curriculum so you got to be part of the first wave of people that just experienced that so how how was that for you maybe you can tell a little bit about about virtual reality and and how it's being used in a curriculum to get in touch with these unconscious feelings and these unconscious thoughts of beliefs and then when you're aware of them I'll be able to give them over to the spirit um yeah it was really amazing because it wasn't something I had expected to have in the curriculum at all um and when it was brought up it was kind of like in the sense of oh this will be cool this will be fun but more and more it was really getting deep and realizing what kind of a tool it was going to be because you had to it wasn't so much to face your fears and to push through fear but to really have that come up and see that that even existed and there were lots of different levels so you could choose something very simplistic it wasn't very sophisticated it's amazing but you could be drawing and painting in space or there were different experiences where you could be in a singing different reality where you were meditating so you could you know like 18 or 20 different places that you could transport yourself to but the amazing part about it was once you put on we had the goggles and headphones so I mean you just kind of lost touch with where you were what was going on like you had no clue um and through the process we actually it was beautiful because you had like a mentor Jamie was the mentor and father to help as well and this controller and all of it but um so they could talk to you so that was kind of like the voice of all these people who started to see the fear come up or if you needed navigational help um which I did uh but yeah and then there were other ones that got much deeper so there was one where it felt like spiders I think it was we're crawling up your arms and so some people had really big reactions to that um and then there was like kind of the ultimate ones that we considered like all right like once you've gone through these other ones and you start to feel comfortable and you're aware that this isn't real either you know uh then it was like okay go up this you know tall high story building and walk on this little wooden plank and jump off and that was I know quite a few of us actually fell on the ground from that end because you have no um sense of your depth of perception of anything so it really is as if this is you know what you think is real like the matrix thing where where Morpheus jumps from one top of one skyscraper to another and then Neo goes low and then there's those things you know he's trying to get up but then he has a big fall and he kind of he hits the plank but he kind of goes it's kind of sponging in that one but so this one you you also leveled it went through but it was pretty intense like when you felt that actually falling like I felt my my body react as if I was falling it felt all of the emotions all of the feeling the butterflies like a nighttime dream when you're you fall off a cliff and you feel like you're going down and you feel this giving in your stomach it's the same thing with the and I think the beauty of it especially with that particular experience that one where you're really kind of going okay I can see the fears coming up I can see that I really need to remember and train my mind right now that this is not real either this I mean it was kind of cartoonish but still felt so real and um and yeah when you went through that experience and you kind of coming out of it um seeing how you can look at everything out there I think that's where it really came in what was the purpose yeah so it's so that we can kind of constantly remind ourselves that this isn't it yeah so that just gives all kinds of of possibilities here is a way to be always used as part of the mystery school in a very practical way to brought up the emotions brought up all these intense feelings and it was all still based on what you're what you're perceiving based on your thoughts and beliefs so that seems to be the thing that where the value of it is and the same with the spirit if we were talking you know we're just very bought it's the same kind of thing there's a theme underneath all of this like yeah always saying what is it for or is the purpose for you to be using it with that's amazing it's always it just gets you you're excited we have a a friend um in it's in Smith um that's the flux but maybe that's even part of our broadcast today but um who's really looking at his company in the VR realm and and Doug's also a course middle student who's had an happy dream and and uh he's uh Christopher here went to visit him and he's very excited about the potentials and the possibilities and I feel like when you start to get excited and activated then that's how people start joining uh it's the very nose of this man Anthony he helped us out a bit with trying using his programming skills and we also started to see wow but there's so much to these bugs and then they have to be tested and the bugs have to be worked out and it's like anything in this world you you have to go through a lot of things almost reminds me of of NASA and sending off rockets and then satellites and then oh setting human beings up in rockets you know everyone was like really and then you know little by little and then sending probes off to Mars and it just keeps expanding and expanding I think we're realizing that when we give our technology over to the sphere and say you use it that there's still going to be a lot of mind training a lot of attempts uh to try to make it better to tweak it um just even looking at i'm really watching this guy for the night i mean what are we up to